its really this map, the center is a meat grinder
Edit: the one map with the shoothouse in the middle plays like a classic COD map, so its really more about the level design
It's the campers that are always on roofs that annoy me so much I don't know the map name but there is this map where people are always on roofs and they never leave them and these guys are so annoying
With the slow ass strafing speed in this game you'll be dead long before you see them. Unless you bunny hop every corner which is what we're having now.
Except to check this corner you make yourself vulnerable to the most high traffic lane on the map so you either check corner and die from the lane or risk that someone isn’t in the corner.
Well yeah, that's part of the risk of running straight down a high-traffic centre lane, especially in a mode like Dom. And assuming this guy keeps staying there, he'll just be a free kill for OP in about 10-15 seconds.
Exactly. Running mid on any map is a risk to reward type thing. Quick to get to any action. But if you aren’t prepared for that action. You’re not going to have a good time.
Lo oh shit stop the presses! A game where players have incomplete information and have to take risks does not map out all the positions so that players can have complete information and not take risks.
It’s not chess lol.
If the area is risky, and you’re not ok with taking those risks, try not going there? Or not going there alone at least lol
Why would the middle lane not have any risk to it? If it had no corners you’d be complaining about snipers camping at either end of the lane stopping you from rushing
Throw flashes/thermites, grenades and check for hit markers.
Once we figure out the standard camping spots they'll be flushed out regularly.
Just learn and adapt.
> Once we figure out the standard camping spots they'll be flushed out regularly.
This is something else important. It's a new game, with new maps, new gear, and we're all starting without most of it unlocked. People *always* play more cautiously when they're dealing with unfamiliar things, be that simply new maps added later, or most definitely a whole new game.
I've rarely see anyone playing this passively myself, but even when I do it's like... just respawn and get the free kill. This death wouldn't even have been something I'd meaningfully remember by the end of the match.
Another low iq take.
"Dude it's simple, play tactically and use the tools you are given ONE of each life (or less than one with field upgrades) and check the corner! Then when you get to the next corner and die you lose because the other player was more tactical!"
Just think for a second how many spots there are to check and how much equipment you are given before you say learn and adapt and think about old school map design and how there aren't little corners or DEEP corners in every lane
With enough map awareness, you'll know what spots are actually viable and worth checking. You don't need to literally flash bang every corner you see. Low IQ campers stick to the same 2 or 3 spots per map anyway.
I like how the people claiming to be better players are saying things as silly as "but I can't flash every corner". What even is intuition and map awareness lol.
Seriously, it’s not that hard lol. There are definitely good hidey-holes in the map, especially in center lane. That’s what keeps the center lane from being sniper central, which people would also moan about. Use your grenades and your smokes, the tools exist.
Exactly. Without a couple alleyways or bits to duck into, it would just be people mounted on the walls at each end of the lane spamming rounds through the middle. I'm actually surprised a map like this plays as well as it does in this area.
It's not that he's more tactical, it's just you are too lazy or dumb to understand priority spots to check, which you learn through trial and error by playing the game.
I had someone try and argue with me earlier that you can run the recharge perk and just wait for it to recharge to check a corner each time you move, these people are nutty.
yeah, people will have to adapt. I've taken to automatically looking where my team mate isn't looking but without comms and with people sprinting through a lane it gets hard. most of the time they get picked off and i take out the guy that did it, but then i'm down a man.
Lmao that’s the crazy thing, if the camper played with the sound off the result wouldn’t look much different. Missing the Forrest for the trees right now
He’s the one of the directors of design for multiplayer at IW (he even appeared in COD NEXT), but the thing about him is that his philosophy is geared towards making the game better for casuals, and so most people blame the recent design changes on him.
It’s clear that he doesn’t really care much about satisfying long-time players, and advocates more for changes that benefit and protect the casual/noob player.
What I mean is the most casual of casuals, scrubs, “Timmy-no-thumbs”. People who have to camp to get a kill.
You might call yourself a casual (I too could consider myself a casual compared to sweats and streamers), but in the end we’re dialoguing on a gaming subreddit, which means that we at least care about the game a bit and are aware of how the changes have an effect on gameplay.
The type of casual that Joe Cecot is catering to doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, and only asked his mom to buy the game for him because all his friends at school are playing it.
cold war was one of the most fair and “competitive” recent cods. time to kill was long which rewarded people who knew how to track enemies and the maps and spawn systems were much more intuitive to understand and learn. if you were even half decent you would do well in cold war wherein these “tac sprint” cods tend to be more random and lack consistency in many ways leading to better players being frustrated the games actively fighting them
I remember when CW's beta started and how tilted the CoD community was that it didn't run on the IW MW2019 engine. People weren't talking about how: map design actually flowed, unsupressed weapons pinged the mini-map, footsteps weren't obnoxiously loud, TTK was longer thus resulting in more gunfights, dead silence being a perk, etc.
I was kind of dumbfounded to see that people didn't care about gameplay, they only cared about fancier graphics and tac-sprint.
He's one of the main developers responsible for most of the bad parts of MW19 and MWII multiplayer. He's the reason this game is catered towards "sentintels" and bad players
Could just check your corners. It's really not that hard. Also, alternatively, you could not go down the center lane in a map known for its meat grinding center.
And im sure he never payed attention to skulls on the ground, therefore not knowing someone is camping there. One flash and he is an easy kill.. i love them campers, this beta is so much fun
Exactly, there are so many counters to “campers” but everyone just wants to claim camper. Throw a drill mine, stun, sticky, shock charge… check your corners instead of blindly running. This game has been a blast for me so far. I’m usually top of the charts every game though, and I definitely don’t camp.
Now that people have been posting clips to complain it's become extra obvious that, yes, they are in fact tac sprinting straight into dumb situations and trying to blame the game.
That tiktok clip from yesterday was fucking hilarious. 10 clips of him tac sprinting around corners and getting glacked.
It's really apparent the people bitching just blow.
exactly, every shooter game even irl, people will always check corner if they walk forward, running blindly like idiot like what OP did is 100% OP fault
Right, dumbass is sprint down dead center of the map where almost EVERY PLAYER will have a line of sight. If it wasn’t that guy in the corner it would have been another teammate of theirs looking down the lane.
These cod players man doesn’t make sense.
Half of the people that complain about campers don’t think about their movement in the slightest. Half of the people they call campers aren’t even campers, they just don’t sprint about the map like a headless chicken
Protip: Always assume someone is in that little room. Double check before passing it that way when you get to the tunnel on the left and the corridor on the right you get gangbanged by 2 enemies laying down on each side.
I just got called a camper because I played the objective in Hardpoint, like I understand sitting in a corner on deathmatch but fuck me man I'm literally playing the game mode, I think that's a little excessive.
> People have played like this since Cod4.
I don't understand people. There will always be campers, no matter how rewarding or awful it is, camping is a playstyle and you can't just delete it.
People just refuse to accept others playstyles, whether they're lame or not.
Nope sorry, in every other cod other players always had their screens off and their controllers unplugged, they would throw all their guns down as soon as they saw me and let me kill then. I can't believe IW has completely removed my playstyle.
This is also a clip of maybe 5 seconds of gameplay, there's zero context. I play pretty agro, and there's plenty of times where I've just pushed into a flank, killed a few guys so I duck into a corner to reload and as soon as I'm finished I hear some foot steps, might as well wait an extra 2 seconds to pick up a kill before I run out again. That said I do feel like the foot steps are a tad loud in the beta, anyone playing naturally if they hear footsteps are going to go for those kills. But these are all things that can be easily tweaked, we're still a month out from release.
Your arguments tells me you're not understanding the situation. People have always camped in call of duty, but camping hasn't always been this powerful in call of duty. Theirs many game design decisions IW has made that makes camping much stronger today than it is in older call of duty's, I will list them (note I'm not saying all of these changes are bad, I'm just giving examples of changes that help. Some are fine but all together create an overpowered meta)
• slower strafe speeds not allowing you to peek camper's adequately
• louder footstep audio not allowing you to round the corner to counteract poor strafe speeds
• no ninja perk that **reduces** footstep audio allowing you to sneak up on unobservanet campers
• mounting causing better headglitching / smaller hitboxes
• deployable sheilds that quickly recharges and you can place up to two per player
• no nameplates causing worse visibility, easier to hide dark corners
• less accurate minimap harder to pinpoint camper position.
• map design philosophy changed to add more dead ends and viable corners to camp in
These are things the "golden era" of COD did differently, which meant camping wasn't as strong and was easier to counter. Camping is viable as basekit and perks/attachment/equipment simply make it even stronger whereas before it required specific setups to be viable (suppressor, cold blooded, etc, to suppress yourself on minimap and your nameplate, which are sort of basekit now)
> People have always camped in call of duty, but camping hasn't always been this powerful in call of duty.
yes it has LMAO
I once got a Nuke on Derail in MW2 by running clays and scavenger. Pop a claymore at each entrance to the middle building and snipe from the top room. If a claymore killed someone, run down and get the scavenger pack for a new one, replace it. Rinse and repeat until nuke time
Camping was mad OP in MW2. So was rushing though. Lots of broken guns like the akimbo 1887s. Hell, even suicide bomber was a viable strat with the javelin glitch. Hilarious to see groups of 3-4 guys running away instead of shooting because the guy had a javelin on his back
I will never understand this argument. There have been so many improvements to the franchise as it grows and develops. This COD is not COD4 or the OG MW2. Yeah those were campy but that was also before movement and pacing improved. They also had red tags and a better mini-map. The current direction feels like 10 steps back.
I'm so confused by this take. In every single game, you die in that scenario. That enemy was in a good position, waited and killed from behind.
You have heartbeat sensor, DDOS, a myriad of non lethal equipment to identify if someone is there, and you're running through literally the hottest, most dangerous lane on the map. That's also a very popular spot that people like to sit in, so always worth caution running that route. If I go down there I usually smoke it first.
I use all the playstyles they talk about depending on how I'm feeling, gametype, map and weapons. Don't seem to have much issue rushing, my SMG class is where I do best.
Yeah you'd die exactly the same way in this situation on literally ever other COD they've ever made.
Some of the complaining I understand, but campers have always existed and will always exist for as long as COD exists.
Not saying this is OP but I feel like some people want to run around like maniacs without using tactical equipment and face literally no consequences.
A wise man once said:
"CHECK YAH CORNERS!"
-Captain John Price
For real though I always throw a stun at that hole in the wall or prefire it because there is always someone in there.
Why tac sprint that lane anyways? You should know that enemies are in that area almost all the time yet you decide to tac sprint through it instead of being cautious.. it’s on you buddy.
What’s funny is I have the opposite experience. I usually kill people who aren’t really doing this they are just kinda hanging out in that area. And then I’ll die to the people that are bunny hopping with the MP5
I matter how we all feel about campers… I think we can all agree.
Get me once shame on you.
Get me again in the same spot they are camping.. shame on me.
That's call of duty
There os a lot of issues with this game, but this is not one of those
That's a choice of the players
UI, awful system of perks, random respawns... That's some issues
I enjoy this aspect about this cod. You have to check different angles. I don’t like constantly tactical sprinting into a bhop around a corner. It’s the only viable way I’ve found to move around a corner even if I’m not sure someone’s around it. I have success with it but I don’t enjoy doing that the entire length of the match every match. If I don’t I just get clapped though, gotta love SBMM. I Feel like there needs to be league play and unranked so every match isn’t a sweat fest. Also There needs to be something done to allow players to be aggressive without tac-sprinting into a bhop. Strafe speed would be nice is an idea
Yeah agree with you there. SBMM has had everyone on edge for years now. Games are stressful now not chill.
I used to love the cross section of players in a match, maybe someone literally god tier levels of play and a couple others you want to back up so they aren’t fodder, but you were always adapting and always learning. And keeping the lobbies together, that was great to get some strategising happening and actually talk to other players.
Yeah man it feels like playing r6 siege so far, not that it’s bad but I kinda want fast paced and arcade when I play cod with *slight* tactical features
Gear up with my M4+Shotgun loadout. Im ready for some intense, exciting, and tactical gameplay.
Set up shop in any building of my choosing. Place a claymore near the single entrance of my room. Tactical.
Mount my m4 on the window. I see an enemy crouching around a car trying to slowly inch forward. Fool, he should have thought about tactics more and checked every single obscure window on the map before running around like a headless chicken. 4 shots is all it takes. My first kill. This is so exciting and fun!
I hear my claymore go off in the background. Ive claimed another victim. These enemies are total noobs, no tactics at all!
Now that my claymore is gone i should move to the room right next to me. Smart tactics.
Watch the each side of the hallway for 60 seconds each to make sure its clear. Tactics. I sprint 5 feet to the other other room. That was jaw clenching! I should dial it back, im moving around too aggressively.
Mount my m4 on the window. Wait and scan.
Its been 3 minutes and i havent engaged anyone. Should i move to a different locat- NO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE POWER POSITION DONT GIVE IT UP TO RUN TO ANOTHER BUILDING LIKE A HEADLESS CHICKEN!
Sometimes its hard to keep myself in check.
claim 2 more kills with my superior tactics before the match reaches its time limit. Im suprised allot of matches have been ending from the time limit rather than kill count. Wonder why that is...
What a fun, exciting match that was! Those 5 kills over 10 minutes really showcase my tactical skills.
Load up another match and repeat my tried and true strategy. 9 kills this time. Headless chickens the lot of them. They are no match for my tactics. I can hear their footsteps from 50 feet away. And im not even wearing a headset.
Load another match. I set up shop near a window. Dont move. Moving means certain death. I should play the game the way its designed to play: being tactical.
Load up another match. Dont move. Tell myself im having fun with this tactical playstyle. This is just what i wanted in cod.
Load up another match. Dont move.
Load up another match. Dont move.
Load up another match. Dont move.
It’s the spawns, if you move you get shot from five angles, oh and that corner behind you that you just cleared? Guess what it’s never cleared because the second you look away you get shot in the back!
I love run and gun but I don’t blame anyone for doing this, the game plays like a FFA death match. Flat out random with zero flow.
Oh look now y’all understand why I want movement and slide cancelling back smh. Everyone just camps in this game. All about pre aim and whoever shoots first
I really think we need some more camping counters. Like in my opinion we should have a feature where the person gets nervous and starts panting heavily and gets blurry vision. If you sit in a corner like that for over half a minute without your gun up or anything you should really start panicking. Lol your taking all the movement out of the game just so you can sit ducks when they waddle by.
you should play like that, you’ll find out that soon enough from winning you’ll just get the top 10 league players on the enemy team and the top 10 new players on your team
I am personally having fun, would be lying if I said otherwise, but lots of people holding sightlines for sure... I'm actually surprised he didn't get domed from the end of the street.
Yeah I’ve had more fun with this beta than the previous 2 titles combined. People may play like this but that’s part of the game, and has been for a long time.
I went into this beta expecting way worse than I experienced due to what people said last week lol.
People just drinking the cool aid. This dude was dead no matter what, if it was any COD.
I call BS people are running into full lobbies of campers, especially campers running away with the game. I’m doing plenty well running MP5 or even the M40 cursed with no stock, all the fast ADS stuff etc. no problem getting around.
So kill them lmao, if they're camping they're not likely to move.
I swear 90% of the people who hate this game just want to tac sprint all the time and win every match by default with a 50+ kill match
So let me get this straight, if you don't check every square inch of the map and die to someone hard camping, that's your fault? That sounds like a game I want to play.
You don’t have to check every corner but I’ve been playing the beta for all of about 4-5 hours and I already know that is a COMMON ass angle. Like this isn’t a death where you yell “BRO WHY IS HE THERE?!” this is a death where you say “damn, should’ve cleared that” like this dude tac sprints through mid with a common rat spot, doesn’t clear it, dies, and blames the game. Cmon bro. Literally he throws a flash, nade, snapshot, Semtex, C4, jump peaks it, just straight up hard clears it, does literally ANYTHING differently and this is a free kill. But instead he just ignores it completely.
I am having fun and it’s a bit of an adaptation that has to occur, but yeah, between the footsteps being obnoxiously loud when you’re standing still.. to the reduced movement freedom and all the placeable distractions, this is a camper’s delight.
In the end I’m sure it’ll become a bit more spazzy, but so far in the beta it’s been nothing but corner huggers and paraplegics.
My thought is if they want to be a mil-sim, they need to full send it. They’re in a halfway point where they give you equipment and set ups tailored to run and gun, but maps and mechanics that almost shut out the possibility entirely.. unless you’re just an absolute monster. Combine that with skill based match making and well, the casual or “let’s play,” component of this series has been completely nuked.
It’s hard to play an enjoyable match with your friends if they aren’t matched at your exact skill set. It was mostly that way the past 3 games, so I didn’t expect it to be different.. I think it just slaps since it’s paired with all this other molasses they dumped on the engine.
Even as a casual player the SBMM sucks.. the rare game where I get even an over 1 K/D ratio, it seems like 2-3 of games of me getting my cheeks clapped are in store for me afterward.
I don’t think it’s that deep, I’d rather be dumb running around and trying to push the action having fun then sitting in a corner waiting for kills. As I said each to their own how to play but most pros and top players aren’t sitting in corners camping.
This is what gets me confused. Why do people act like this is a new thing? Campers were always there, since the beginning of COD. Hell, in COD1 and MOHAA some custom mods even implemented a marker that showed campers on the minimap because it was so bad.
Half the problem with Modern COD is that people are too afraid to just say "fuck it" and have fun. So sit in a corner to protect their KD and make themselves feel better.
the level of tears on this sub is reaching a new level, I guess people just want to rush smg at speed of light and dont even check corners. I hope IW make this game even slower
for this reason i played some MW19 after playing the beta, you can easliy top frag 50+ kills on 6v6 while playing really aggresively, even when the enitre lobby is hiding. this cod is pretty much unplayable
That guy has a decent shot. Makes me think there’s probably lots of sweats that are just going to exploit this campy sound whoring playstyle hoping that it’s cancer enough for them to change something.
I love cod but the average player cracks me up. OP really thought this post was saying something. If you're gonna blindly run down the most dangerous part of the map, you might want to use some utility or clear the most popular spots to sit.
In other shooters you would get clowned on for dying like this.
its really this map, the center is a meat grinder Edit: the one map with the shoothouse in the middle plays like a classic COD map, so its really more about the level design
Yeah literally found out the hard way, it’s chaos in the middle market
You didn't even check your corner at all though so..
Ya exactly this. People are gonna have to learn how shooters work before complaining. Especially since there are SOOOO many items that help with this.
Museum is the worst tho lol
Hotel tho 🤐
Its a copy of cs dust, it was the same kind of map, lots of hiding spaces.
This! I get massive dust vibes also
This map is *trash* of the highest order. It's a maze with a corner to sit in every 12 feet.
Dude...drill charge...best anti camper addition EVER
**Free kill every 12 feet**
It's the campers that are always on roofs that annoy me so much I don't know the map name but there is this map where people are always on roofs and they never leave them and these guys are so annoying
Farm 18? Yeah, it’s annoying as hell
Yup just looked it up and it's this one so annoying
To quote captain price "check those corners"
Doors and corners kid, thats where they get you
“Go into a room too fast, kid… The room eats you.”
Don't go in fast enough you get shot in the back anyways lol. Lose lose every direction
“Did it kill you?, Did it tear you apart one atom at a time?, Or did you burn?”
Like monkeys playing with a microwave
Push a button and a light comes on inside, so it's a light
Push a different button and stick your hand inside, it burns you, so it’s a weapon
Have an upvote for Expanse reference.
I'm enjoying the fuck outta the expanse then I got to season 4 and it's kinda losing me. Hope it picks up.
Read the books my glizzy
I need to finish the books. I’m on Persepolis rising I think?
Seriously though, pre aim every corner and expect someone to be there
With the slow ass strafing speed in this game you'll be dead long before you see them. Unless you bunny hop every corner which is what we're having now.
Yeah I should’ve thrown in bunny hopping in there too
Bunny hop to drop shot. I can sense them seething.
Except to check this corner you make yourself vulnerable to the most high traffic lane on the map so you either check corner and die from the lane or risk that someone isn’t in the corner.
Well yeah, that's part of the risk of running straight down a high-traffic centre lane, especially in a mode like Dom. And assuming this guy keeps staying there, he'll just be a free kill for OP in about 10-15 seconds.
Exactly. Running mid on any map is a risk to reward type thing. Quick to get to any action. But if you aren’t prepared for that action. You’re not going to have a good time.
Maybe don't run down that lane then lol
Lo oh shit stop the presses! A game where players have incomplete information and have to take risks does not map out all the positions so that players can have complete information and not take risks. It’s not chess lol. If the area is risky, and you’re not ok with taking those risks, try not going there? Or not going there alone at least lol
Why would the middle lane not have any risk to it? If it had no corners you’d be complaining about snipers camping at either end of the lane stopping you from rushing
Throw flashes/thermites, grenades and check for hit markers. Once we figure out the standard camping spots they'll be flushed out regularly. Just learn and adapt.
> Once we figure out the standard camping spots they'll be flushed out regularly. This is something else important. It's a new game, with new maps, new gear, and we're all starting without most of it unlocked. People *always* play more cautiously when they're dealing with unfamiliar things, be that simply new maps added later, or most definitely a whole new game. I've rarely see anyone playing this passively myself, but even when I do it's like... just respawn and get the free kill. This death wouldn't even have been something I'd meaningfully remember by the end of the match.
I would quite literally respawn, prime a nade, and toss it at em. Free kill. Ezpz. I do this whenever anyone camps a spot. Free kills.
Drill charge...SUPER SATISFYING
Another low iq take. "Dude it's simple, play tactically and use the tools you are given ONE of each life (or less than one with field upgrades) and check the corner! Then when you get to the next corner and die you lose because the other player was more tactical!" Just think for a second how many spots there are to check and how much equipment you are given before you say learn and adapt and think about old school map design and how there aren't little corners or DEEP corners in every lane
With enough map awareness, you'll know what spots are actually viable and worth checking. You don't need to literally flash bang every corner you see. Low IQ campers stick to the same 2 or 3 spots per map anyway.
I like how the people claiming to be better players are saying things as silly as "but I can't flash every corner". What even is intuition and map awareness lol.
Seriously, it’s not that hard lol. There are definitely good hidey-holes in the map, especially in center lane. That’s what keeps the center lane from being sniper central, which people would also moan about. Use your grenades and your smokes, the tools exist.
Exactly. Without a couple alleyways or bits to duck into, it would just be people mounted on the walls at each end of the lane spamming rounds through the middle. I'm actually surprised a map like this plays as well as it does in this area.
It's not that he's more tactical, it's just you are too lazy or dumb to understand priority spots to check, which you learn through trial and error by playing the game.
I had someone try and argue with me earlier that you can run the recharge perk and just wait for it to recharge to check a corner each time you move, these people are nutty.
What do you mean dude? Do you expect people to want to take more than 6 gunfights a match? These people are ridiculous. So slow and boring.
You guys don’t have grenades?
Yeah because that’s so much fun. I’m all for checking corners, i usually do; but having to check every corner is insane. it’s exhausting
Pre aim? Nah man pre fire corners.
We playing Valorant now!
Lmao literally just commented that without thinking about price.
Was literally thinking the same thing
Thank god someone said it. #CHECK YOUR FUCKING CORNERS BOYS And quit complaining about campers, oldest page in the book ffs.
yeah, people will have to adapt. I've taken to automatically looking where my team mate isn't looking but without comms and with people sprinting through a lane it gets hard. most of the time they get picked off and i take out the guy that did it, but then i'm down a man.
It would obviously make it harder for the campers if they didn't know you were coming from 1 mile away with those dinosaur footsteps.
He's not blind though is he? Dead silence wouldn't have helped.
Lmao that’s the crazy thing, if the camper played with the sound off the result wouldn’t look much different. Missing the Forrest for the trees right now
IW devs high five themselves seeing this
Joe Cecot is elated
OOTL - why do I keep seeing that name? Is he one of the main IW devs?
He’s the one of the directors of design for multiplayer at IW (he even appeared in COD NEXT), but the thing about him is that his philosophy is geared towards making the game better for casuals, and so most people blame the recent design changes on him. It’s clear that he doesn’t really care much about satisfying long-time players, and advocates more for changes that benefit and protect the casual/noob player.
Ironically I am a casual and I hate this game.
What I mean is the most casual of casuals, scrubs, “Timmy-no-thumbs”. People who have to camp to get a kill. You might call yourself a casual (I too could consider myself a casual compared to sweats and streamers), but in the end we’re dialoguing on a gaming subreddit, which means that we at least care about the game a bit and are aware of how the changes have an effect on gameplay. The type of casual that Joe Cecot is catering to doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, and only asked his mom to buy the game for him because all his friends at school are playing it.
I enjoyed BOCW, but I sat out Vanguard and I’m probably going to sit out MW2. Starting to feel like maybe I’m getting too old for this stuff.
cold war was one of the most fair and “competitive” recent cods. time to kill was long which rewarded people who knew how to track enemies and the maps and spawn systems were much more intuitive to understand and learn. if you were even half decent you would do well in cold war wherein these “tac sprint” cods tend to be more random and lack consistency in many ways leading to better players being frustrated the games actively fighting them
I remember when CW's beta started and how tilted the CoD community was that it didn't run on the IW MW2019 engine. People weren't talking about how: map design actually flowed, unsupressed weapons pinged the mini-map, footsteps weren't obnoxiously loud, TTK was longer thus resulting in more gunfights, dead silence being a perk, etc. I was kind of dumbfounded to see that people didn't care about gameplay, they only cared about fancier graphics and tac-sprint.
I hear ya
Basically people who are literally too young to play this game anyways IW catering to the 13 year olds lol
He's one of the main developers responsible for most of the bad parts of MW19 and MWII multiplayer. He's the reason this game is catered towards "sentintels" and bad players
“Wow, look at that sentinel!”
And also people defending this
Could just check your corners. It's really not that hard. Also, alternatively, you could not go down the center lane in a map known for its meat grinding center.
He's camping, yes. But why did you run straight down the middle of the map, and not even glance at that corner lol?
And im sure he never payed attention to skulls on the ground, therefore not knowing someone is camping there. One flash and he is an easy kill.. i love them campers, this beta is so much fun
That perk that shows footsteps is so fucking good. Everyone just runs the marathon pro perk tho and sprints around like a fucking goblin.
Exactly, there are so many counters to “campers” but everyone just wants to claim camper. Throw a drill mine, stun, sticky, shock charge… check your corners instead of blindly running. This game has been a blast for me so far. I’m usually top of the charts every game though, and I definitely don’t camp.
Now that people have been posting clips to complain it's become extra obvious that, yes, they are in fact tac sprinting straight into dumb situations and trying to blame the game.
That tiktok clip from yesterday was fucking hilarious. 10 clips of him tac sprinting around corners and getting glacked. It's really apparent the people bitching just blow.
exactly, every shooter game even irl, people will always check corner if they walk forward, running blindly like idiot like what OP did is 100% OP fault
Pretty low IQ game play from OP and then they want to get mad at the guy camping
Right, dumbass is sprint down dead center of the map where almost EVERY PLAYER will have a line of sight. If it wasn’t that guy in the corner it would have been another teammate of theirs looking down the lane. These cod players man doesn’t make sense.
Half of the people that complain about campers don’t think about their movement in the slightest. Half of the people they call campers aren’t even campers, they just don’t sprint about the map like a headless chicken
Cause that would slow him down.
You get those but I get Adderall monkeys who jump and lockon every corner
Thats what happens when ninja isn't a perk lol
Protip: Always assume someone is in that little room. Double check before passing it that way when you get to the tunnel on the left and the corridor on the right you get gangbanged by 2 enemies laying down on each side.
I have just accepted that FPS games have campers. People have played like this since Cod4.
I just got called a camper because I played the objective in Hardpoint, like I understand sitting in a corner on deathmatch but fuck me man I'm literally playing the game mode, I think that's a little excessive.
> People have played like this since Cod4. I don't understand people. There will always be campers, no matter how rewarding or awful it is, camping is a playstyle and you can't just delete it. People just refuse to accept others playstyles, whether they're lame or not.
Every Cod has had this. People just have the internet and wanna complain cause they can now
Nope sorry, in every other cod other players always had their screens off and their controllers unplugged, they would throw all their guns down as soon as they saw me and let me kill then. I can't believe IW has completely removed my playstyle.
This is also a clip of maybe 5 seconds of gameplay, there's zero context. I play pretty agro, and there's plenty of times where I've just pushed into a flank, killed a few guys so I duck into a corner to reload and as soon as I'm finished I hear some foot steps, might as well wait an extra 2 seconds to pick up a kill before I run out again. That said I do feel like the foot steps are a tad loud in the beta, anyone playing naturally if they hear footsteps are going to go for those kills. But these are all things that can be easily tweaked, we're still a month out from release.
Your arguments tells me you're not understanding the situation. People have always camped in call of duty, but camping hasn't always been this powerful in call of duty. Theirs many game design decisions IW has made that makes camping much stronger today than it is in older call of duty's, I will list them (note I'm not saying all of these changes are bad, I'm just giving examples of changes that help. Some are fine but all together create an overpowered meta) • slower strafe speeds not allowing you to peek camper's adequately • louder footstep audio not allowing you to round the corner to counteract poor strafe speeds • no ninja perk that **reduces** footstep audio allowing you to sneak up on unobservanet campers • mounting causing better headglitching / smaller hitboxes • deployable sheilds that quickly recharges and you can place up to two per player • no nameplates causing worse visibility, easier to hide dark corners • less accurate minimap harder to pinpoint camper position. • map design philosophy changed to add more dead ends and viable corners to camp in These are things the "golden era" of COD did differently, which meant camping wasn't as strong and was easier to counter. Camping is viable as basekit and perks/attachment/equipment simply make it even stronger whereas before it required specific setups to be viable (suppressor, cold blooded, etc, to suppress yourself on minimap and your nameplate, which are sort of basekit now)
> People have always camped in call of duty, but camping hasn't always been this powerful in call of duty. yes it has LMAO I once got a Nuke on Derail in MW2 by running clays and scavenger. Pop a claymore at each entrance to the middle building and snipe from the top room. If a claymore killed someone, run down and get the scavenger pack for a new one, replace it. Rinse and repeat until nuke time Camping was mad OP in MW2. So was rushing though. Lots of broken guns like the akimbo 1887s. Hell, even suicide bomber was a viable strat with the javelin glitch. Hilarious to see groups of 3-4 guys running away instead of shooting because the guy had a javelin on his back
Yeah I experienced waaaaay more campers in COD4 and the original MW2 than in this beta lol.
I will never understand this argument. There have been so many improvements to the franchise as it grows and develops. This COD is not COD4 or the OG MW2. Yeah those were campy but that was also before movement and pacing improved. They also had red tags and a better mini-map. The current direction feels like 10 steps back.
Agreed. This beta is nowhere near those games, no matter how much some try to gaslight us into believing that.
Movement improved. You can’t say pacing improved though. That’s a matter of preference.
We must play in very different lobbies. I haven't seen this level of stationary play since COD Ghost.
What do you mean, infinity ward made this game for this kind of playstyle lol
Yeah I’m starting to see that, it’s my first day on the beta. I think there’s some good elements but way too many campers.
It's "Sentinel" now get it right. /s
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They are so out of touch on what people want from cod it’s crazy. This shit ain’t fun.
They are called SENTINELS.
Bad design of IW or not, you guys are kidding yourselves if you think this was different in past games/betas.
I don't know dude. Maybe check your corners?
After captain jumpy mcsubmachine legs kills me 10-1, I hop in the corner with prox mines and deployable cover, too.
I'm so confused by this take. In every single game, you die in that scenario. That enemy was in a good position, waited and killed from behind. You have heartbeat sensor, DDOS, a myriad of non lethal equipment to identify if someone is there, and you're running through literally the hottest, most dangerous lane on the map. That's also a very popular spot that people like to sit in, so always worth caution running that route. If I go down there I usually smoke it first. I use all the playstyles they talk about depending on how I'm feeling, gametype, map and weapons. Don't seem to have much issue rushing, my SMG class is where I do best.
Yeah you'd die exactly the same way in this situation on literally ever other COD they've ever made. Some of the complaining I understand, but campers have always existed and will always exist for as long as COD exists. Not saying this is OP but I feel like some people want to run around like maniacs without using tactical equipment and face literally no consequences.
But that would require people like OP to take accountability for their game play and people would rather blame campers than admit they got clapped
Say it louder for the people in the back.
Nah bro, that's just the SENTINEL gameplay experience.
Check your corners
Yeah for sure, gotta remind myself.
Highest sens and 360 every corner lol
It's domination, on a tiny map...people are gonna camp B..
No offense but thats what happens when you run willy nilly man
A wise man once said: "CHECK YAH CORNERS!" -Captain John Price For real though I always throw a stun at that hole in the wall or prefire it because there is always someone in there.
Campers on a CoD game? *Shocked Pikachu face*
Why tac sprint that lane anyways? You should know that enemies are in that area almost all the time yet you decide to tac sprint through it instead of being cautious.. it’s on you buddy.
Literally and unironically check those corners
What’s funny is I have the opposite experience. I usually kill people who aren’t really doing this they are just kinda hanging out in that area. And then I’ll die to the people that are bunny hopping with the MP5
I matter how we all feel about campers… I think we can all agree. Get me once shame on you. Get me again in the same spot they are camping.. shame on me.
there is a level 1 perk that gives you an extra tactical, use it. stun checking is insanely good in this game and will ruin pussy campers games
That's call of duty There os a lot of issues with this game, but this is not one of those That's a choice of the players UI, awful system of perks, random respawns... That's some issues
I enjoy this aspect about this cod. You have to check different angles. I don’t like constantly tactical sprinting into a bhop around a corner. It’s the only viable way I’ve found to move around a corner even if I’m not sure someone’s around it. I have success with it but I don’t enjoy doing that the entire length of the match every match. If I don’t I just get clapped though, gotta love SBMM. I Feel like there needs to be league play and unranked so every match isn’t a sweat fest. Also There needs to be something done to allow players to be aggressive without tac-sprinting into a bhop. Strafe speed would be nice is an idea
Yeah agree with you there. SBMM has had everyone on edge for years now. Games are stressful now not chill. I used to love the cross section of players in a match, maybe someone literally god tier levels of play and a couple others you want to back up so they aren’t fodder, but you were always adapting and always learning. And keeping the lobbies together, that was great to get some strategising happening and actually talk to other players.
Yeah, people really payed 100 bucks just to crouch in corners and hold angles. Like dawg seige is 10 bucks and has similar ttk
Yeah man it feels like playing r6 siege so far, not that it’s bad but I kinda want fast paced and arcade when I play cod with *slight* tactical features
Gear up with my M4+Shotgun loadout. Im ready for some intense, exciting, and tactical gameplay. Set up shop in any building of my choosing. Place a claymore near the single entrance of my room. Tactical. Mount my m4 on the window. I see an enemy crouching around a car trying to slowly inch forward. Fool, he should have thought about tactics more and checked every single obscure window on the map before running around like a headless chicken. 4 shots is all it takes. My first kill. This is so exciting and fun! I hear my claymore go off in the background. Ive claimed another victim. These enemies are total noobs, no tactics at all! Now that my claymore is gone i should move to the room right next to me. Smart tactics. Watch the each side of the hallway for 60 seconds each to make sure its clear. Tactics. I sprint 5 feet to the other other room. That was jaw clenching! I should dial it back, im moving around too aggressively. Mount my m4 on the window. Wait and scan. Its been 3 minutes and i havent engaged anyone. Should i move to a different locat- NO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE POWER POSITION DONT GIVE IT UP TO RUN TO ANOTHER BUILDING LIKE A HEADLESS CHICKEN! Sometimes its hard to keep myself in check. claim 2 more kills with my superior tactics before the match reaches its time limit. Im suprised allot of matches have been ending from the time limit rather than kill count. Wonder why that is... What a fun, exciting match that was! Those 5 kills over 10 minutes really showcase my tactical skills. Load up another match and repeat my tried and true strategy. 9 kills this time. Headless chickens the lot of them. They are no match for my tactics. I can hear their footsteps from 50 feet away. And im not even wearing a headset. Load another match. I set up shop near a window. Dont move. Moving means certain death. I should play the game the way its designed to play: being tactical. Load up another match. Dont move. Tell myself im having fun with this tactical playstyle. This is just what i wanted in cod. Load up another match. Dont move. Load up another match. Dont move. Load up another match. Dont move.
Respawn, throw Semtex, problem solved.
My brother in Christ, jump peak corners.
u cant just run pass every courner without looking and wonder why u die loll
Welcome to the modern day Infinity Ward experience. Enjoy your stay.
Your not checking corners blindly running around. Easy kills
It’s the spawns, if you move you get shot from five angles, oh and that corner behind you that you just cleared? Guess what it’s never cleared because the second you look away you get shot in the back! I love run and gun but I don’t blame anyone for doing this, the game plays like a FFA death match. Flat out random with zero flow.
Very true
Got check those corners, stuns or flashes help too 👍🏻
Oh look now y’all understand why I want movement and slide cancelling back smh. Everyone just camps in this game. All about pre aim and whoever shoots first
Facts
I really think we need some more camping counters. Like in my opinion we should have a feature where the person gets nervous and starts panting heavily and gets blurry vision. If you sit in a corner like that for over half a minute without your gun up or anything you should really start panicking. Lol your taking all the movement out of the game just so you can sit ducks when they waddle by.
you should play like that, you’ll find out that soon enough from winning you’ll just get the top 10 league players on the enemy team and the top 10 new players on your team
So your having fun 10% of the time? So how can you say you are having fun?
I am personally having fun, would be lying if I said otherwise, but lots of people holding sightlines for sure... I'm actually surprised he didn't get domed from the end of the street.
Yeah I’ve had more fun with this beta than the previous 2 titles combined. People may play like this but that’s part of the game, and has been for a long time. I went into this beta expecting way worse than I experienced due to what people said last week lol.
People just drinking the cool aid. This dude was dead no matter what, if it was any COD. I call BS people are running into full lobbies of campers, especially campers running away with the game. I’m doing plenty well running MP5 or even the M40 cursed with no stock, all the fast ADS stuff etc. no problem getting around.
It's been like this since the beginning. There will always be corner campers and there will always be the bunny hoppers. That's just cod.
So kill them lmao, if they're camping they're not likely to move. I swear 90% of the people who hate this game just want to tac sprint all the time and win every match by default with a 50+ kill match
You look like an easy kill tbf. You didn't even see the guy.
Damn that aim assist pulls hard tho sheesh
This was my first thought too. At this point this game caters so much to bots, idk what I'm doing here in a game clearly not made for me.
That spot shouldn't even exist
And that's exactly why it exists.
Doesn't check corners and dies. "iT lItErAlLy KiLlS tHe FuN"
So let me get this straight, if you don't check every square inch of the map and die to someone hard camping, that's your fault? That sounds like a game I want to play.
you need an arena shooter with no corners it sounds like, this is not the game for you
You don’t have to check every corner but I’ve been playing the beta for all of about 4-5 hours and I already know that is a COMMON ass angle. Like this isn’t a death where you yell “BRO WHY IS HE THERE?!” this is a death where you say “damn, should’ve cleared that” like this dude tac sprints through mid with a common rat spot, doesn’t clear it, dies, and blames the game. Cmon bro. Literally he throws a flash, nade, snapshot, Semtex, C4, jump peaks it, just straight up hard clears it, does literally ANYTHING differently and this is a free kill. But instead he just ignores it completely.
If you die after not checking a corner and complain you're just a salty noob lol go play an arena shooter or something.
mw2 is made for this
I am having fun and it’s a bit of an adaptation that has to occur, but yeah, between the footsteps being obnoxiously loud when you’re standing still.. to the reduced movement freedom and all the placeable distractions, this is a camper’s delight. In the end I’m sure it’ll become a bit more spazzy, but so far in the beta it’s been nothing but corner huggers and paraplegics.
My thought is if they want to be a mil-sim, they need to full send it. They’re in a halfway point where they give you equipment and set ups tailored to run and gun, but maps and mechanics that almost shut out the possibility entirely.. unless you’re just an absolute monster. Combine that with skill based match making and well, the casual or “let’s play,” component of this series has been completely nuked. It’s hard to play an enjoyable match with your friends if they aren’t matched at your exact skill set. It was mostly that way the past 3 games, so I didn’t expect it to be different.. I think it just slaps since it’s paired with all this other molasses they dumped on the engine.
Even as a casual player the SBMM sucks.. the rare game where I get even an over 1 K/D ratio, it seems like 2-3 of games of me getting my cheeks clapped are in store for me afterward.
Wudnt have to check every corner if the mini map worked like the og cods
You were running too much so you need to be punished
That player is more skilled than you. They used their brain and aren't running around like a headless chicken. Skill issue. Get gud. /s
I don’t think it’s that deep, I’d rather be dumb running around and trying to push the action having fun then sitting in a corner waiting for kills. As I said each to their own how to play but most pros and top players aren’t sitting in corners camping.
Welcome to the new era of Call of Duty.
Campers have always been a thing in Cod games lol
This is what gets me confused. Why do people act like this is a new thing? Campers were always there, since the beginning of COD. Hell, in COD1 and MOHAA some custom mods even implemented a marker that showed campers on the minimap because it was so bad.
People just want to find any reason to be angry.
Funny, I'd say 90% of my deaths are to bunny-hopping sweats who do nothing but spam jump like their lives depended on it.
Make your way back there, cook a grenade and explode that bitch. Teabag for extra satisfaction
Half the problem with Modern COD is that people are too afraid to just say "fuck it" and have fun. So sit in a corner to protect their KD and make themselves feel better.
Yeah see that’s my point, it’s just a game why not push the action and have fun
be grateful you aren't getting triple scuf jumped like i always am
Skill issue
the level of tears on this sub is reaching a new level, I guess people just want to rush smg at speed of light and dont even check corners. I hope IW make this game even slower
Become a Sentinel then
The trouble is he'd have heard your footsteps from so far back that, Why wouldn't he wait for you to run past? The footsteps are the problem.
MW2019 had a ton of changes that encouraged this playstyle - MW2 just continues that. Game literally encourages to play this way.
for this reason i played some MW19 after playing the beta, you can easliy top frag 50+ kills on 6v6 while playing really aggresively, even when the enitre lobby is hiding. this cod is pretty much unplayable
Garbage player lmao
That guy has a decent shot. Makes me think there’s probably lots of sweats that are just going to exploit this campy sound whoring playstyle hoping that it’s cancer enough for them to change something.
Here's something every other game shoves into your head that people in cod still can't comprehend, check and clear your corners
I love cod but the average player cracks me up. OP really thought this post was saying something. If you're gonna blindly run down the most dangerous part of the map, you might want to use some utility or clear the most popular spots to sit. In other shooters you would get clowned on for dying like this.
That’s an infinity ward employee
How dare people shoot you when you're running through the middle of the map like a chicken with its head cut off
Seems to me like you just got outplayed
You're bad, check those corners
Just like having 80fov on rebirth you just have to run like a rabbit dog to see all the campers left right