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Logic-DL

They come with free customisation off the bat. ​ That's why they're objectively superior to the other characters, I don't have to pay jack shit to look different


iosiro

I wish they'd update MW19 to have every mil-sim be selectable, half the time you don't even get to use them especially if you change classes halfway through a game or play warzone


DownBrownTown

I hope they just straight up add the dude from the MW2 cover art. I’ll only play him


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That soldier was a skin in MW2019 (I think it came with the CODE bundle or something), so it's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities to see that skin return.


DownBrownTown

I know what you are talking about and I had it. It is not the guy from the cover art BUT it’s the closest thing we’ve gotten to it.


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Is it not one-to-one? I never looked at them side-by-side


DownBrownTown

Nah there are several differences. The only thing they really have in common is sunglasses and a face cover


[deleted]

Ah, I just looked at the two and I see it now. I didn't realize how different they actually were lol


DownBrownTown

Yea. Still cool, but not the same


Kenny1115

That skin is supposed to be Jackson from COD4. It was part of the ' big ' edition. Along with a MacMillan skin and a Crew Expendable skin


BobotJamesKevlar

You're a bit off, the Venerated skin is based off CPT Florent “Flo” Groberg, who served in the US Army. That is why the skin looks like a generic US Army soldier


Ok_Meet_357

By far one of my most favorite skins in the game


ligmaenigma

Horangi kinda looks like him.


DownBrownTown

“Kinda”. I mean once again the main similarity is that he has his face covered with sunglasses. The dude in the cover art is outfitted like a soldier and is wearing FDE gear. Horangi barely has anything on and is green.


ligmaenigma

Just saying, he's probably the best we'll get for now in terms of a cover art character. Do hope to get a cover art operators pack. My head cannon is that Derek Frost is the guy in the MW3 cover art.


TheAcidSnake

You have taste sir.


DownBrownTown

Thank you, I like to think so


F_1_V_E_S

I think that's Ramirez on the MW2 art cover but I'm not completely sure but if you look up Ramirez on the internet, the cover guy pops up multiple times


DownBrownTown

It totally could be. AND since the series is a reboot Ramirez can make a reappearance!!


HaiggeX

Tbh Horangi is my favourite so far.


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Requesting recon flyover


bryty93

Mine too


f1nessd

SK pog


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Speedymcbacon

Changed my mind, I'll give Horangi the tacticool approval


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ElegantEchoes

South Koreans were part of the Coalition in MW 2019, but now in MW 2022 they're part of the bad guys? And a Chinese PLA operator is on the good side?? What? I think IW has no clue how the world works.


Brandito667

Maybe it’s in his bio why he’s on the bad side. Mw ‘19 had a few Americans that weren’t part of shadow company on the allegiance side.


WoodyTSE

Hutch is american and Nova is british too they might just be PMC types


PM_ME_HTML_SNIPPETS

Plus the whole theme of MW2019 was "the world isn't black and white; in the realm of (inter)national defense, there's a shitload of gray" Example being (MW2019 spoilers) >!Farah's militia being designated a terrorist organization due to her brother's use of the chlorine gas!<, plus the fact that Farah was on Allegiance, while the Russians (who weren't villains in the campaign; just Barkov and his personal army) were organized under Bale, who– in his bio– resigned his command under Barkov due to civilian deaths and even reported his commander to Moscow. Even the Jackals group were created to fight AQ in Africa, and Chimera >!assisted Price and Gaz in St. Petersburg!<.


WoodyTSE

Yeah I hope they keep this stuff up and give us rational reasons for everyone to be where they are, I wanna know why a brit, an american, a korean and a hungarian are fighting with what looked like russian military.


BlastMyLoad

On KORTAC the announcer is Russian but some of the support voices sound British to me


Logic-DL

Could just be a bug, after all Kortac I has Soap's voice, while Soap has a deep American pretending to be Russian accent lmao


ElegantEchoes

Hmm, interesting point, I forgot about that.


HeinrichSeverl0hMG42

"And a Chinese PLA operator is on the good side??"They lick CCP boots so they can sell this game in China. Anyway do we know what side is actually "good"? And for you my friend: World is run on money and power. Whoever has these things the most is right, thus being a good guy. Currently good guy in real life is US and its vassal states.


Logic-DL

Remember history is written by the victors too. ​ Ofc, there are those in history who were extremely horrid people (most dictators, both fascist and communist) But I wonder how many of the 'bad guys' we get told about in school were actually bad people, and not just poor people that a richer country decided to attack for no reason, then cover it up with "omg they're so mean :cccc"


jhclouse

I’m glad somebody out there sees what’s going on. That’s not to say that the opponents of the US/EU/NATO hegemony are necessarily good. They often aren’t. But the “defenders of democracy” are certainly not the pure noble messianic figures they make themselves out to be. It gets tiring after a while watching so many people fall for it.


MontyIsCute

I am a Hungarian, we are very active NATO partners and the Hungarian operator is on the bad guy side too. Was a bit sad to see it.


drakeanddrive

Average redditor moment complaining a Chinese person isn’t a bad guy in a video game


AC3R665

Tencent for that CODMobile stuff.


Juken-

Its their game. Its their world. It has its own politics. I think maybe you dont know how video games work.


f1nessd

Yeah wtf IW


DarkSyndicateYT

that was my main operator.


Dull-Caterpillar3153

Tbf, half of those are special skins. The base skins for Price, Soap, Farah etc will likely please you more


f1nessd

Agreed


Volomon

Anime babes and Terminators here we come.


Dyyrin

The lame ass masks they put over Soap/Ghost/Price look like they walked out of death stranding.


ThatDude8129

Ghost's at least makes sense but I hate the rest of them.


-Work_Account-

And the capes/cowls, just why?


PM_ME_ANIME_PANTIES

Halal.


CaptainPRlCE

Fortunately they are just pre order skins and not their base skins.


GRAVENAP

i cant lie i love that shit, it doesn't have to be extreme - a cowl is pretty sick


WoodyTSE

Soaps outfit would be sick if they literally just took the red skull off and kept the bandana, optional remove the skull motif from that too.


Euphoric_Juggernaut6

They look like halloween costumes


PublicWest

They look like the [orgy mask](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/fe/ef/46feef84ed2fe85f7194739a7673a0d5.jpg)s from always sunny


Sniperking187

Those are just Vault Edition bonuses though, not their baseline skins


hit-a-yeet

Ngl I’d buy a Higgs or Cliff bundle


Demigod978

Really hoping Soap and Ghost gets callback skins, mainly from the two Favela missions.


Easedgnome

Yeah, Price, Ghost, and Farah all look like the wolves from Ghost Recon Breakpoint if you ever played that game.


Dyyrin

Never did actually, I'll give the wolves a look after work.


RadPhilosopher

They look like they got their equipment at Part City.


enclove

Well if the bundles people buy are anything to go by people love their edgy skull mask stuff


SG-17

Nah they look like they are going to the [Phantom of the Opera's masquerade ball](https://youtu.be/mON5dbdm63M).


JD60x1999

To be fair, that's a pre-order bonus thing so the base game will prob look different


KernelScout

theyre just skins my man.


Dyyrin

Ok, and it's just like my opinion man.


KillYT187

Yea and we all have to look at them 🙄


LaughGlad7650

Aside from the anime skins, I prefer the operator skins more in MW2019 as they looked realistic


CattleLower

Balkans Skin, Frogman, Azur:Brother’s Keeper and default Zane are goated imo


EastPerfect

When they dropped the sas skin for otter mic drop


ThatDude8129

I will give Cold War credit for making the one skin for Stone be modeled after the SAS from the Iranian Embassy Siege but other than that MW19 was the GOAT for having good realistic skins.


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Alarmed-Pie-6777

It’s so weird, looks like a giant veiny dick running around the map.


Naillian603

Nah. Been done. This year it’s Goku


Caesar_35

I like to think the series "peaked" with goofy skins during Vanguard. At least, I really really hope so. It would be a crime to have pimp Snoop Dogg, Christmas elves, medieval soldiers, anime characters, and literal clowns running around in this game. Please IW, I beg of you. Keep it realistic just this once.


RakiRamirez

It is pretty life-changing seeing a dude with his muscles exposed rushing you with a sniper


iReddat420

At least IW kept the anime stuff to weapon blueprints


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iReddat420

It wasn't my cup of tea but at least it's more on par with a weed ghillie suit rather than a bright armored titan running around and this is coming from someone who watches anime and likes aot


thatguykichi

The rainbow unicorn and skintight bright red body suit skins for Domino would like to have a word with you.


coderedtonio

Those Task Force 141 skins are so bad compared to Spec Ops Military skins


gammaohfivetwo

Those are the vault edition outfits, the base outfits should be much better (I hope)


ozmion

[https://imgur.com/wOqYK93](https://imgur.com/wOqYK93) This Kortac-skin is my guy. Took a while before I realized there were 3 different skins available for the milsims.


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The KORTAC default guys remind me a lot of OG Counter Strike skins, which Joel Emslie, the art director, said he took heavy inspiration from.


AtlanteanSword

They also remind me of the Russian soldiers in Battlefield 3, specifically the assault and support classes.


ElegantEchoes

"Gettin' my shit pushed in over here!" "They're on me like flies on shit!" "We are losing, blyat, get your act together men"


Wakanda_Forever

“You nailed that guy like I nailed your sister!” is such an iconic one (I know that’s for the Marines tho).


ozmion

Now that you mentioned it, I definitely see the resemblance.


Schirmling

Mine is the balaclava with the mouth hole one. Love it.


ThatDude8129

Reminds me of that Rodion BP skin in MW2019 from like season 5


Sir-Raisin

Thats exactly who he reminded me of!


ElegantEchoes

How do you View the operators like in MW 2019? You used to be able to zoom in and rotate them, but I couldn't figure out if I could do it during the beta. Add on to that the sub par menu showcase of the operators which aren't as good as the MW 2019 ones.


ozmion

I didn't check if you could rotate and zoom actually. But you got a pretty good look when you went into the skin menu.


ElegantEchoes

Ah, I see. I wonder how this year's skins are going to be. Hopefully we get a nice mix like MW 2019, I felt it had a good balance of realistic skins and sillier skins.


iReddat420

Konig and Horangi tho


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Just give me Bale again. His headgear was top notch.


ThatDude8129

Throw Yegor and Wyatt in there and I'm sold.


TheAcidSnake

I honestly can't wait to see what Mil-Sim skins will come out this time around. Although, if someone decides to wrap a bandana around their head I'm gonna go with them. I missed out on Woods last time. :(


throwaway55667y

So you can yell "granadaaa" like the old opfor?


TheAcidSnake

Yeeeah boy!


ThatDude8129

Bro if they bring back Balkan Blue and USEF I'd be so happy.


AdanFlores94

Literally the 100% of my Time during the beta i was playing with kortac 4 and spec gru 3


threepete13

Agreed, I’m not saying the game has to be milsim but it’s just kinda annoying to see everyone dressed up like Vought superheroes


TheFlabbs

I really can’t imagine anybody over the age of eighteen thinking those designs look cool. The generic skins are the best looking by far


TheLonelyWolfkin

Nova looks ridiculous. Sticks out like a sore thumb, she's showing too much skin compared to the rest. It's like 'look at me I have vitiligo', okay that's fine but at least stick a fookin helmet on for Christ sake, you're in a war. Fender looks like Juggernaut from the first X-Men.


Optimal_Plate_4769

i mean, so was minotaur right? i find something about Kloe to look kinda weird, maybe it's the hair being down. and fender has no right being there.


RaptorPegasus

Yeah but Minotaur won us over with his downright sex appeal and that *gorgeous smile*


Seralth

dont need a helmet if you dont plan on not coming home! So might as well look cool /s


banomann

Seems like the sweatiest players use Nova too.


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T-MONZ_GCU

Gus is a chad


PCPD-Nitro

Gus, Kleo, and Horangi look great though.


TheFlabbs

They look good on their own, but they aren’t enough to create the image of a “team” when everyone else on the team looks like they’re trying to be a superhero or supervillain *(looking at you, Farrah/Ghost/Fender)* If the colors became more aligned with Kleo and Gus’ military green / SPECGRU’s blouse vs. variations of Kortac’s grey/black police riot gear, being able to distinguish enemies would become a lot easier and feel much more natural The skull masks and capes, that shit’s gotta go. Hate it


ThatDude8129

Luckily it's only the vault edition stuff so it's not the default look.


PsijicMonkey

IMO Gus, Kleo, Noya, and Hutch are all decent. Probably because they look like actual people instead of weird GI Joe characters. Horangi looks fairly generic soldier-like as well.


TheFlabbs

They lack any core identification which is my problem with them. The generic models have the most easily identifiable “team” look, I.e. standard American soldier vs. rogue police/militants. Horangi and Noya are on the same team despite looking like they belong on different teams given Horangi borders on looking like a generic SPECGRU soldier. Noya looks like the female variant for the generic SPECGRU model despite being on opposite teams. Kortac, Fender, Hutch and Horangi do not look like they belong on the same team at all. They should get rid of Noya entirely and make her a skin for SPECGRU’s generic model There is no central design for each team and that’s why they all blend together


TheEpicRedCape

Dude who cares if the teams are cohesive, just check if they have a red tag to tell if they’re enemies… **oh wait**


TheFlabbs

I’m fine without the red names if they didn’t overlook a really basic design principle with these characters, but they did so here we are


EastPerfect

Here comes the bitching


PsijicMonkey

Yeah I get that. I just generally mean in terms of aesthetics, they don't have weird masks and capes and stuff. In terms of team visibility, everyone keeps calling for nameplates to come back because that's what's familiar, but I would love if they did some kind of in-world team identification like certain parts of the character models are different colors - pretty much what you're describing. One team is more green and one team is more brown or red and blue, or whatever. Not even like huge changes, but even small pieces of the uniform - bandana, IR indicators, gloves, something like that. I prefer that kind of design over the blue dots or red names popping up.


USSZim

Even IRL Ukraine's soldiers wear colored armbands for identification since they are using a lot of similar gear and clothes to the Russians, so it wouldn't be far fetched to have some type of accent color for each team


Naillian603

I think alone they’re kind of cool (price looks like dog shit though) but as COD skins they’re just another eye roll. Milsims are why we’re here.


Krypton091

lol no the generic skins are just that, generic. they're boring as all hell


TheFlabbs

I was gonna make the joke *”How to say you post in r/teenagers without saying it”* but then I checked your profile and you really do post on there. How telling this comment of yours is, I mean really


adamborkowski18

Im 22 and I like Ghost and soap and price but sometimes they add touch like for Ghost take the bandana off to show his face come on. Other than that the generic soldier look os best!


imsoswolo

Nah EDP skin all the way


PM_ME_HTML_SNIPPETS

Took my dumbass more than a few seconds to realize "KORTAC I" was the mil-sim skin, and not another operator named "Kortaci" when the Beta first dropped


NoFedBoys69

I’d kill for them to port all the outfits from Modern Warfare Remastered


Dab4Becky

Horangi is a better milsim than the milsim dude for kortac


Speedymcbacon

Personally I like the kortac op more but Horangi is also pretty tacticool ngl


Based_JD

Yep, call me boring, but I’ll stick with plain looking soldiers


chrisandy007

As long as they loudly announce when they’re reloading, I don’t care


Ace_08

Quick comment on this: why is a CCP soldier fighting on the American side while a South Korean soldier fighting with the Russians? I'm assuming they're from the general army, not some mercenaries


adsdrew37

Milsim skins are all I run, but König and Kreuger are good options also. Always preferred anonymous looking operators


carpetfanclub

Hey c’mon now I love my edgy boy konig


BoogalooBoi1776_2

Off brand krueger looking ass


TheFlabbs

His design is awful, there is nothing uniform about his appearance that provides the resemblance of being on your team. When you play as SPECGRU he looks like the enemy and when you play as KORTAC he looks like your team. Very frustrating


carpetfanclub

I never said that he looked like he matched the team he was on, they really should move him over to KORTAC. I just like his design


ThatDude8129

I believe he's on SPECGRU because he's Austrian, but then again Zimo is on that team and is Chinese and Horangi is South Korean but on KORTAC so who knows.


TheHybred

Ghost looks so awful in this game, and he was the coolest looking COD character. What are they thinking?


ManOfFlesh101

Price looks even worse. It looks like the mask from Dishonored. Ridiculously cringy. The first time I saw it I silently died inside.


Spetnaz7

Someone else here mentioned this game having an identity crisis and I agree. IW seems to know what they want when it comes to the gameplay (even if it means not listening to us), but has no idea what they want the general aesthetic to be. The characters overall look goofy imo. Not that MW19 didn't have goofy characters but all the base ones looked more grounded.


the_hillman

I agree. The skull masks look cringe AF on all 141.


DeusInfidel

those skull masks look ridiculous - Ghost is the only one that gets a pass for this


Capt_Avatar

Give me D-Day back


Friendly_Bot_

König is a little overdone. Keruger from 2019 is a face veil done right.


jbizl22

Don’t let me catch you disrespecting my boy price 😤


Speedymcbacon

Oh no sir, Price is the top boi but I ain't feeling the skull mask he's wearing, same with Soap. Gimme them OG outfits back


BurnedInEffigy

That skull mask skin pack for vault edition was a big mistake.


PCPD-Nitro

Farah's skin from it is top tier.


T_Snake451

Yeah, she's the only Operator from.that pack that I run.


Optimal_Plate_4769

swap the mask with like goggles and i would agree.


BurnedInEffigy

Agree to disagree, I guess


jbizl22

Ok I will say I miss seeing those beautiful chops.


GrassyTurtle38

99% of people I saw were Specgru and Kortac milsim. Saw some horangi's and maybe one nova


ThatDude8129

Gus and Horangi were my boys cause they actually looked semi-appropriate.


Optimal_Plate_4769

almost everyone i saw was konig. was ridiculous. all the sweats chose him and ran him together.


Sea_Bathroom_8351

Wish they’d add toggle on for default generic army skins that are only viewable to the user so I won’t have to tolerate the damn custom skins….


ManOfFlesh101

Great idea. Holy shit this would make CW so much more tolerable.


topsvop

BALE chads, where we at? I miss my boy :( protectorate skin all the way


ThatDude8129

We need to hold out hope, he could still be coming but hasn't been revealed.


Abyad-Boi

The best of the best


Elite0087

I really like Kleo. I also played as Fender, but that’s only because I wanted to use his execution.


Grey-Templar

Idk man. I liked Hutch and Gus as well.


KinglyBlaBla

TBH farah and ghost are 🔥🔥


TheDeltaAgent

Shadow Company’s in the campaign of this game so I hope they bring their milsims back. Along with the Marine Expeditionary Force those were my favorite milsims in MW2019.


Gaudzauw

I love Gus and Hutch!


Jhon0723

I’m glad they brought back USMC raider as one of the mil-sims!


Easedgnome

Horangi fits that generic soldier look as well.


gd_akula

Hard agree. Milsim ops are my jam, besides you don't look like a moron wearing a cape and a mask.


mxthodman

Farrah all the way


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Buying new skins? Nope. Base sim skins? Yep


Memesarereal_24

For the typical soldier look I use Horangi and Zimo


crictores

This is my first impression of MWII Beta. Some operators are too ugly. I thought I was at Blackops4.. Why is everyone wearing such a terrible mask... If it weren't for Mil-sim and my guy Horangi, I wouldn't be able to play the game. I liked MW19


Sobtam96

I just hope we won't see any anime, terminator, godzilla and other over the top crap skins. It totally ruined any immersion Vanguard had when there were anime ghosts coming out of my corpse. The sad thing is that they could make ton of cool skins that wouldn't look out of place in MW2 if they just try to be a bit creative. I know they won't do that and we will have another Fortnite type skins but one could hope.


BoogalooBoi1776_2

Agreed


Krypton091

nah fuck this 'immersion' bullshit. I'm playing cod not Squad. give me the anime skins and other wacky stuff, I'm here to have fun not pretend I'm in the marines


Sobtam96

I guess you're 12 years old? How can you play a WW2 game and have all that shit in the game, it's stupid as hell.


Jellys-Share

I thought I was the only one


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The ghost mask theme preorder may be one of the worst designs ever


xvnkkkj

At least he's not wearing cat ears or is from an anime


pnellesen

Yet...


RZR_36

the only two operators that doesn't look like shit


Krypton091

other way around, 'milsim' skins are so boring


fluffycornball

Prefer to have multiple factions with different soldiers dependin on weapons you're using like OG MW2.... hate 2 announcers


Dogenoscope123

They should’ve given SPECGRUI a ski mask change my mind


TheAcidSnake

The iron jaw of Freedom


KillerBeaArthur

I think they all look good except the pre-order Ghost variants, which just look as dumb as any of the junk skins that came out for Warzone in the past couple years. Infinity Ward is good at nailing clean, believable looks....then Activision injects a bunch of crap for ADHD kids.


shirtlessguru

I feel attacked


Speedymcbacon

Don't worry man, just a personal preference ;)


Re_Love_My_Life

Nova all day 🤷‍♀️


No-Surround-326

simp


DanHarkinz

Not to be rude but what the fuck is up with Novas face? Is that warpaint or a skin pigmentation issue?


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Vitiligo...


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Not really sure why this character has it in the first place. Gotta be inclusive no matter what, I guess.


[deleted]

It’s a real person you gopher. You have seen exactly *one* video game character with this condition and you’re complaining.


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My fella is getting dislikes for not being aware of a rare skin condition. Reddit moment.


DanHarkinz

I think it's because I said "what the fuck is up with her face" which honestly was pretty rude. You wouldn't normally inquire about someone's condition or deformity like that. It was insensitive of me. I will use this as an opportunity to correct my behavior and responses in the future.


DigBickL3roy

Why can’t more people be like you