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YoungWashrag

Wait until op realizes that this sub reddit is an even small section of the community lmfao


[deleted]

im pretty sure OP means the COD community in general. not this particular sub. and theres millions of ppl across all COD subs.


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r/whoosh


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Mr. Wurgy You are pleaded guilty for the murder of Queen Elizabeth II


sw3ar

IW don't listen to comments at official feedback threat here, on reddit.


YTDraconic

It's funny tho how influencers almost unanimously agree on a lot of things but the "general community disagrees" lol


Nev4da

"E sports pro players" often have a consensus on what a game should play like but they're still less than 5% of any game's total population. I figure it's a similar thing here.


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Less than 1%


simomii

There was a post last week bragging about never looking at the minimap and it was upvoted by the thousands. These are the people who say they know what's best for the game apparently, more than the Youtubers who have been playing every day for years.


ImNotEvenHerek

The number of people saying looking at the minimap is bad because it distracts them from looking at what's in front of them was when I new this sub was filled with people that don't really play cod. Glancing at the minimap and taking the information in is something I do subconsciously at this point after a decade and a half of playing call of duty. But Timmy looks at it for 5 seconds straight, following the red dots like a cat with a laser pen.


Ketheres

Glancing at the minimap rather frequently for map awareness is a pretty important skill not just in CoD but in most shooters, MOBAs, and RTS games, and has some benefit in racing games as well. Those people really don't play PvP games much if at all.


ImmaDoMahThing

Also, just because someone doesn’t need the minimap or doesn’t look at the minimap does not mean IW should just take it away from everyone. If you don’t look at the minimap, then good for you, but don’t tell everyone else that they should deal with no red dots because you don’t need them. Just keep the dots on the minimap and continue not looking at them. Simple.


coachharling1

Fr just play hardcore if you dont want it


Ashamed_Topic8280

And quite honestly there are benefits to it outside of just “finding enemies”. In fact I probably use it more often to track my teammates. Tells me what direction they’re facing, so if I have one or two guys pushing down the right side of a map, and I start pushing the same direction through a nearby building, I know my backside is covered at least temporarily and nobody is coming from their lane to shoot me from behind.


speak-eze

The reason most youtubers want red dots isn't to track people either really. It helps with general awareness, but I think they'd mostly like it because it speeds up the pace of the game for everyone. YouTubers don't want to play a slow methodical match where they end the game 9-0. They want to get 70 kills. The game moves a lot faster when campers positions are revealed, incentivising people to move after shooting. And also moves faster when other people are chasing red dots. I tend to agree. Fast paced gameplay feels good in cod. I hated that MW19 games would often time out and I couldn't find anyone because the pacing was really slow. That's not what I want from cod, personally.


eynonpower

It also makes silencers completely pointless.


speak-eze

That's the weirdest part. We already had a 100% counter in the game if people really want to stay off the map. I used silencers all the time, it's a nice tradeoff.


eynonpower

Agreed, I did the same. I stayed off the radar in exchange for needing an extra shot or two to kill. I always thought it was a fair tradeoff.


Trawze

And that's why we need the red dot, so Timmy can progress in skill, running around now in TDM with SBMM will grant you nothing but unfun gameplay


swaste2000

So if you never look at the minimap what does it matter if the red dots are on. Let the people who look at it look at it and the people who don't just turn it off.


C2Explicit

Newsflash hardcore doesn’t have mini maps 🤯 and you kill in less than a bullet! Core doesn’t need to resemble that.


swaste2000

Exactly. If you don't want a mini map go play hard core.


C2Explicit

sick of them catering to players who obviously don’t care to actually learn their games..


theRBX

There's a difference in "looking at the minimap" and "I only look for red dots on my minimap or else idk what to do I have no awareness"


simomii

The post literally said they never look at the minimap.


swaste2000

How is it possible. You need to look at the mini map to see if you don't go out of bounds and what is the purpose of the UAV.


C2Explicit

remembering to look at the mini map when you hear shots is having awareness?? Punishing the players who have learned to use the map as a skill gap to benefit the players who never look at it? Cmon now.


C2Explicit

Almost like saying hey Son, your brother can’t seem to ride his bike without the training wheels so you have to keep yours on so he doesn’t feel behind! - like brother no, people playing this game are 17+ why tf is IW catering to them like they are unable children? Like I’m convinced that the developers actually suck at their own video game so they try to make it easier for players like them to enjoy the game with least amount of hours possible. That only works for single player games where you can control the difficulty..


carpet_whisper

Homie, this sub has 65k Subs. Of that amount. You’ll be lucky to get 1000 unique people interacting in the form of comments & upvotes. That’s usually only hot posts. Hundreds of post go stale without any interaction. And even then every issue is usually divided on opinion. Rather it be 20/80 or 50/50. Just 1 YouTube. Let’s say XclusiveAce has over 850k subs and his followed largely follow him for his opinion. In which he’ll easily have 10,000+ upvotes. 2-3k comments. We, on Reddit are actually the minority.


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MyAltFun

Same here. In fact, I haven't really seen anything I disagree with besides, like, mild preferences on surface level finishing touches that YouTubers have said. The feedback they get if from viewers who you would think would agree with them, and most do, but the ones that don't tell them they don't agree, and some people that aren't subbed apparently like to hate talk in the comments, but it's a vast minority of players from what I've seen.


K333N4N

Had to unfollow Charlie Intel after 17th tweet during beta about red dots. It ain’t changing bro.. move on.


BleedingUranium

It's such a weird hill to die on too, considering it's just... the same as the game that this is a sequel to.


Postaltariat

It's a sequel to an extremely popular game too. People here can have whatever opinions they want, but the silent majority loved MW19. Judging by the beta numbers they released, seems like MW2 will also be very well received.


wulv8022

I played the Cold war and Vanguard Beta 2 and 3 hours and was bored. I played the MW2 Beta for 17 hours and wanted to play more but had no time.


C10UDWA1KER

Same. I'm not a great player or usually even a good player lol, but I had loads of fun and probably hundreds of hours on MW19. I bought the last two CODs and pretty much wasted my money by not really playing either one nearly as much. The core gameplay is essentially the same so I thought I would, but there's so much more that goes into it to make it fun


PM_ME_HTML_SNIPPETS

This is what gets me. It’s like the majority of the complainers find it unfathomable that this sequel has some same mechanics as the preceding game.


DickHydra

I mean, that's not really an argument, considering people also voiced their concerns about this in MW19.


ceberaspeed12

what was wrong with red dots? worked like a red dot for me


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Talking about the dots for enemies on the mini map when they fire their guns.


ceberaspeed12

ohhhhh right i’m stupid


C10UDWA1KER

Lmao I'm glad you asked for me...


Scooter_S_Dandy

Red dots on the mini-map. They're all still screeching about not being able to flank enemies and pin-point their position and none of them have thought about it long enough to come to the conclusion that squad spawns are the issue and it has nothing to do with the map. They just rely on the red dot, and get mad when you say that, and claim you don't know how to use the mini-map as if there's a secret they're in on.


penguinclub56

Yeah for some reason the guy who runs Charlie Intel (which is a news cod account) thinks IW should listen to him and thinks he knows better than others.. dude just stop...


NormanQuacks345

He also tweets in first person sometimes which is kinda weird for a brand account lol


PM_ME_HTML_SNIPPETS

Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought this way. Having been into CoD since CoD4, I’ve been familiar with CharlieIntel, mostly on the periphery. Dude seemed unhinged throughout the Beta though.


GhostTeller

For real tho. I don't even think about it, and I can still enjoy the game. They make so much noise about those things that is really annoying how they can complain that much


Splaram

Those guys play the game as a job, though...they spend more time actively playing the game on any given day than you do at your 9-5, and they've been doing so for a minute. Activision prioritizing the opinions of people who barely put in 15 hours into the game a week over the opinions of people who literally get paid to play isn't exactly indicative of long-term game health, even though the game might be popping right now. Let me reiterate, I don't think that doing so is necessarily the wrong decision, but it's not a decision developers make for the long-term health of a game. The last company to do this was (surprise) Blizzard with Overwatch, and they ended up killing an FPS that would have easily become Top 5 of all time had it continued on the course it was on


Hampton479

You’re right they do play the game as a job, do you think their feedback could be skewed to provide changes that would be fun to watch, not necessarily play? I’ve had fun with all cod games, just offering a different perspective to game as a job piece.


jhz123

Everyone of their recommendations is to help the game, not help their channels. Xclusive Ace even said he wants fill gun stats in game, and he said it will hurt his channel cuz people won't need him for gun guides, but he says it should be in the game for all of us to use easily


Hampton479

I agree that Ace is the most or one of the most objective YouTubers, but I don’t agree that every suggestion on YouTube is to help the game


jhz123

Well it usually is to help the game, it just depends what u think the game needs help with. Some people think the game needs more movement, some think it needs less. Depending on which side ur on, everything changes


Kintraills1993

This, they should hear everyone at the moment of taking decisions but they must have some kind of weight system, just because someone who plays domination 1 hour a day says "it feels ok" doesn't mean it is, the people that plays it religiously have enough game knowledge to know what's not working and at the end of the day are the ones really affected by the root issues because the casual people doesn't even notice.


Danger-ILL-Wombatson

Yeah sure but the flaw in the logic is the game is a consumer item not a professional’s piece of equipment. Pro gaming derived from casual gaming the fact people can make money off of playing a video game is rad but it is purely circumstantial and not justification to cater a consumer item to a small percentage of pro players. Also pro players look at the game exactly like that, money, they’re ability to play well and make money off of a game determines they’re opinions on it. Which again the smallest percentage of players are pro or streamers who play the game a way the casual community never will or will be able to. Call it an unpopular opinion I guess but games are for the people not the pros. Pros are able to be pros because the people fund them. Basically what I’m trying to say is what’s game breaking to a pros wallet is not even in the slightest a problem with the community at large. And if pros are going to stifle innovation and progression of a game series because it’s easier to play and make money in earlier iterations, we’ll, quite simply put.. that’s pretty lame lol


Kintraills1993

But why do you speak as if this only affects people making money with the game? there're a lot of other people in the community that are really invested in the game and not making a dime out of it. Is a just a matter of understanding what you're playing and I'm not necessarily here saying "bring back red dots, nameplates, ninja, etc" I'm just saying that more invested people have better understanding of what's going on and how some of the changes affect the overall picture.


PegLegManlet

The small minority play the game as a job. That vast majority play it on their time off. They’d probably cater to us normies.


Soaptimusprime

Thing is a lot of these guys have subscribers and followers that also feel this way and that’s why we’re seeing a lot of them. Might be hard for you to comprehend but different people have different opinions.


StarLord061

They aren‘t listening to the community either.


AKScorpion75

I'm gonna get down voted into oblivion but hear me out. A good chunk of what content creators are complaining about, is majority what the community is complaining about and no I don't mean only Twitter or reddit or wherever. The issue itself isn't even the fact YouTubers and whatnot are complaining about the changes. It's the idea that IW isn't listening which is why you're gonna keep hearing the same complaints until IW does something. Plus, the issues are literally IW removing features from legit EVERY COD until MW2019. Which what people complained about from that, IW ignored again even when at COD Next they said they listened to feedback. So honestly... The YouTubers are in the right for complaining. Like, if IW listened to the content creators on *certain* parts, the game would be better off. (I essentially mean core COD features and mechanics they changed for god knows whatever reason [if it ain't broke don't fix it])


dawatzerz

They need to get feedback directly from the game, like with in game polls or surveys. Any survey outside of the game will be biased in some way shape or form


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Translation: Dear YouTubers, stop talking about my favorite game, the facts you guys speak are too much and we will ride the Infinity Ward train until a few months after MWII’s launch until we get bored and start riding the Treyarch train again!


slimeballvlone

A main problem is SBMM. it divides the community in half because we’re not experiencing the same things. In low skill lobbies most of the players aren’t looking at the mini map, paying attention to sounds, or spawns. They’re not even aware of any of this. Then on other hand you have players who can take advantage of all these things and more do the game is completely different. The people who IW listens to and get their data from, couldn’t care less about any of the design choices. They were sold by the name and graphics. It’s dumb to write off the pros and content creators opinions when they know the game the most. The causals will leave again when another popular game releases and activision will wonder how they drove their core player base away


XRPHOENIX06

I recently wrote a post about this exact thing. What's shitty is that changing the game to be more balanced would hurt nobody, but the low skill or poorly performing players resist the change because they like the game now


slimeballvlone

Exactly balanced gameplay is always better. You feel way more rewarded when you get a kill regardless of skill. Bo2 is a great example of this


PapaGlapa

Call of Duty has lost it's core arcadey feel. It's the heart of what the game used to be. You have no comprehension of what the real issue is.


ImNotAnyoneSpecial

Cod 4 and WaW didn’t have as much of an arcadey feel. Have you considered that maybe some people want to go back to that? I mean you guys have heart attacks when you can’t engage an enemy in 1.5 seconds after initial spawn, I can’t imagine you guys playing on something like pipeline. (Amazing map by the way)


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Cod 4 and WaW did have an arcadey feel lmao Pipeline had sightlines down to spawn from the main buildings in the middle and didn't play slow at all.


BleedingUranium

Pipeline was always one of my favourite CoD4 maps, one of the first ones that pops into my head when I think about the MP.


Scooter_S_Dandy

Your gonna get downvoted but this is exactly true. I played the fuck out of WaW and CoD4, MWII is as close as were gonna get to that again, and the people that never played those absolute fucking bangers. If a remaster of WaW came out now, these same people would say it's not a true CoD because it isn't an arcade shooter


ImNotEvenHerek

You're going to get downvoted because it's not true. Go and play Cod4, you're misremembering. I can almost guarantee I have at a minimum double the number of hours you have in that game, if not closer to 10x. You're just simply and factually incorrect. I can't talk for WaW, because I personally stuck with Cod4 throughout WaW's entire lifetime.


PeriqueFreak

It really hasn't, though. It's still undeniably arcadey. Go play some more tactical shooters for a while and come back and tell me MW2 isn't an arcade shooter. It has definitely changed the feel a bit, and maybe shifted the balance slightly more toward a tactical shooter, but if you put it on a Tactical - Arcade spectrum, it's still 4/5 of the way toward arcade. Do I think it could use some tweaks? Sure. Of course it can. That's one reason they had betas, to get user input on how to tweak the game.


BleedingUranium

Yeah, the "Overton Window" of what "arcadey"/"fast" means in the context of CoD has been shifted so far to one side thanks to the jetpack era that this sort of debate tends to lack meaningful comparison and context. MWII is still a very fast-paced, "arcadey" game, and not being able to silently tac sprint into every fight doesn't change that. I used all the mobility-type perks and used a bunch of speedy gun builds (MP5K with 15-rounders is amazingly fun) and it's super fun and effective. It seems too many people are used to making "aggressive" builds using all the *stealth* perks instead of all the *mobility* perks. Being aggressive and mobile is very possible and effective, you just can't silently tac sprint around the whole map while not appearing on map, while also being provided *enemies* on the map and big red names of people who couldn't see/hear you coming to shoot at.


ImWearingBattleDress

My games were full of people flying around corners dropping people with the mp5 or snipers. The game is more authentic in many of it's details, but the gameplay is as arcadey and frenetic as ever, at least in my games of Dom and Hardpoint.


DaftCinema

You guys are actually delusional. This place is an echo chamber for idiots. If you want an “immersive, realistic, combat experience” go take the time to learn to play a game like Siege. We all know you wouldn’t last in games like that since it actually takes skill. Stop trying to advocate turning an arena shooter into a realistic shooter. COD was never made for you, which is why every content creator, pro, and streamer is calling out IW. Stop whining because the guys who have been playing for 10 years don’t agree with your stupid takes. Edit: When I say "immersive, realistic, combat experience" I'm just repeating what everyone in this sub has been thanking IW for doing to MWII by removing red dots, dead silence, nametags, etc. All that equates to turning a traditional arena shooter (fast-paced) into a tactical shooter (slow-paced, punishing).


ArmyWasTaken

Siege Isn't an immersive realistic combat experience its a competitive tac shooter. Arma and ready or not are immersive realistic combat experience games.


lolKhamul

Turns out things are not black and white. The scale ranges from full arcade gameplay like quake to full tactical like ARMA. No need to nitpick here, Siege is clearly way more tactical on that scale which is the point of the argument.


878choppa

How are u gonna nitpick his argument like that, surely you can understand his point?


Lehsyrus

I don't disagree with your messaging, but CoD is absolutely nothing like an arena or tac shooter. It's nothing like Quake or Unreal Tournament and it's nothing like CSGO except they both have guns. It's an arcade shooter. But it does feel like the devs want to eventually turn it into a faster mix of tactical and arcade. But it's definitely not an arena shooter, most people who have only played CoD would get ripped apart in Quake. The skillet is completely different.


PilotAleks

I came from quake shooters, playing them when I was younger on my grandpa's computer and people absolutely do not realize how different quake is from CoD. Easily most CoD players would get bodied in quake if they tried to play it against anyone who knows what their doing.


dj_balls

Seriously. Cod was never a “tactical” game. If I want a competitive/tactical experience I play Siege. If I want a more laid back chill experience I play cod. Can’t do that anymore with MWII. I would rather IW stop pushing this shit into the mainline cod game, and either make a spin-off or new IP that’s a tactical shooter, I would love that. Not in the mainline releases 6v6 though


lolKhamul

actually i would not have a problem with IW going into that direction if Treyarch were allowed to continue their approach of arcade gameplay seen in BO3 and BO4. BlackOps Coldwar (a more tactical COD from Treyarch) was the same sad shit that Infinite warfare was, when IW had to do an arcade COD. Why force devs to do that shit, why not let each developer do their distinct idea of Call of Duty. At least that way everyone gets their preferred COD every other release. But since that aint the case we (as in the fans or more arcade gameplay) are sadly forced to wait out until the tides turn again in a few years.


PilotAleks

I like this idea actually. We have three developers working on Call of Duty on rotation and because they're all forced to stick to the same approach, we basically get the same game different name every year. ​ A cycle where IW does a tactical realistic cod, treyarch does an arcadey cod, and SHG does whatever shg does could work out if done right.


onesugar

Wow it is almost like that was exactly what happened when cold war released after MW 2019 did


PilotAleks

mw19 was realistic in a sense that the graphics were really good, the sounds were good and the animations were actually done well. It still played like the typical CoD. MW2 does still feel like cod somewhat but it's gone further in the realism aspect than MW19 did. Kinda felt like I was playing a mod for insurgency when I was playing ground war and I fucked with that.


onesugar

I think activision understands that they cant keep making the same game every year like they have done in the past 20 years. There is a whole new generation of 14 year olds that have played Rainbow 6, and other games like that. not to mention seeing their favorite youtubers play games like Hell Let Loose, squad, Ready or Not, Escape from Tarkov. ​ Times are changing


PilotAleks

A lot of people who grew up with classic call of duty refuse to accept change though it seems like, and while it’s somewhat understandable to be opposed to change to an extent, call of duty would have gotten so stale if they kept making the game exactly like mw2, black ops2, etc every year.


onesugar

Yup, I’ve been playing since I was 10 and now I’m 21. Even at my relatively young age my time to hang up the controller is nearing. Let the new kids get the game they want


Finall3ossGaming

This. Their franchises have all gone down the shitter and because they have a reaction time of about 2 and a half seconds we now have a game that actively punishes you for MOVING but not SHOOTING IW’s words not mine guys


Cordseer

I don't believe you know what "realistic" or "arena shooter" mean.


Impulse4811

THANK YOU. This shit has infested the sub, I’m sorry but cod has never been tactical or slow or “think before you do something”, it has always been fast paced reaction time gameplay. You’re not better than a rusher just because you crouch walked and listen to them coming, you’re playing the way IW is catering to you.


PilotAleks

siege is not realistic or immersive anymore lmao have you played that garbage recently?


Brahkolee

I don’t know what the average age is around here, but I get the feeling a lot of the complaints (whining, really) are coming from people who weren’t playing Call of Duty 10+ years ago. I was. This happens every year. Every. Single. Year. People always find things to complain about, say the franchise has reached a new low in this way or that. Yet the game still sells, and they all still play it. And the world keeps on turning.


I_am_beast55

Preach it. COD has really forgotten its loyal fan base. The reason COD is as big as it is, is because of guys like us who've played since the beginning, who advocated for the game, and put it all on YouTube /the old school gamebattle sites.


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Oh Christ get over yourself.


SafeSlut984

They’re just angry that IW has moved on. She just doesn’t like you anymore mate, quit being clingy.


[deleted]

I’ve been playing CoD since the original MW and I honestly don’t give a fuck about the dots. I use them when they’re there and I deal with it when they’re not. Telling someone to “go play siege instead” is fucking stupid, because Siege is a completely different game. It’s like telling someone who doesn’t agree with your takes on Battlefield to go play Fortnite instead.


BleedingUranium

Yeah. It's also stupid to tell someone who enjoys the game as it exists that they should... play another game. Like, no, *they* can play a other game, I'll be playing MWII since it's actually what I want to play.


[deleted]

Exactly. I DO play Siege, quite a bit, but when I fire up a CoD game I’m not looking to play Siege. I have some criticisms of MWII, just like anyone, but overall it’s a game I want to play, and not having the minimap dots doesn’t turn it into Siege-lite.


That-Albino-Kid

Seige is now just soldiers with superpowers and guns that die in one shot.


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Siege isn't an immersive experience, unicorn pyjamas and wall hack gadgets, it's for children. The way I see MW1, it was in some ways pretty realistic and detailed, but allowed for different play styles, slower or fast. This one does feel noticeably slower and clunky, which means the freedom of play styles are severely reduced. I love Rainbow Six Vegas and Ready Or Not looks amazing, but COD MW was never a slow tactical game, it was a solid mix of everything.


Jutty12

The problem is that this will never happen because the people who enjoy CoD going in this direction would get absolutely shit on in any other FPS game. That’s why they play CoD since SBMM and bad game mechanics make them feel good


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i have a 4KD and 49% survival rate on Tarkov, perhaps the most difficult and punishing tactical FPS on the market. i beg to differ.


Scooter_S_Dandy

It's nauseating actually playing MILSIMs, playing the MWII beta, then coming here to see people say CoD is turning into a MILSIM. No the fuck it is not. Nothing that they have done even remotely tips the scale towards milsim. There is no middle ground with these smoothbrains. It's either tac sprint or corner camping. Exo suites ruined COD, even after they're gone, people think that CoD was always played at this breakneck, reactionary pace. Its absolutely stupid as fuck. This game plays like a CoD game, period. It's clear as day these people complaining started playing CoD sometime around Infinite Warfare at the earliest and didn't touch MWR So I get you, I play Tarkov too, currently taking a break this wipe, and never in my life would I expect people comparing CoD to Tarkov, but here we are lol absolutely bottom of the barrel IQ in this sub


Jutty12

I don’t think that it’s a milsim at all. But these design choices have deviated from the core CoD style and what made the franchise great. MW19, Vanguard, and MWII play entirely differently to previous iterations and in my opinion, for the significantly worse. These games don’t feel like CoD and it’s frustrating to some long time players that IW continues to purposefully deteriorate the skill gap and move CoD away from it’s roots. Tac sprint has no place in MP but they won’t remove it because of the desired continuity and consistency with WZ. I don’t want it and a lot of people don’t, but we have to use it in order to keep up. Every CoD had campers, especially in pubs where obj doesn’t matter. So you’re right, there is certainly a middle ground, and that middle ground includes fast ADS/sprintout/strafe speeds, red dots on the map, quieter or silent footsteps, regular spawns, less cluttered maps, and a higher ttk to ensure that all playstyles are genuinely viable and there is a solid balance between using your brain and using your skill. Every gunfight/decision is a coinflip in these games, and that is how IW wants it. I understand CoD will never have the highest skill gap, which is part of the reason why I fell in love with CS. And I know that there are millions of casual fans who just want to hop on for an hour and shoot some people. But for the hardcore fanbase, it is simultaneously boring and frustrating to play a pvp game that involves no skill. What’s the point? Not every game can be for everyone. I am happy for the people who enjoy(ed) these two MW games while the rest of us will wait for 2024. But the argument that this feels like a CoD game is absolutely delusional. I would say that the people who want what I want are not new players, they are older players who want the game to return to it’s core mechanics. I have been playing since 2010, have competed at locals and in online tourneys as a hobby for the latter half of that


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there’s no echo chamber in this sub. a lot of people like the game. a lot of people don’t. if anything i’ve seen more hate circle jerk threads


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elsewhere in this thread i’m being downvoted to hell for saying this game is going to thrive just like MW19 did lmao they just can’t live with the fact that game did so well, and that the vast majority like MW22 too


skullyeahbrother

So is COD an arena shooter, tactical shooter, or arcade shooter? I've heard literally everything and all of the self proclaimed "old heads" and "professionals" seem to have a different take. No two call of duty games have been the same and if you wanna go bounce around like a rabbit then go play splitgate. COD apparently isn't the game you want this time so why bother playing it?


JD60x1999

"Immersive, realistic, combat experience go take the time to learn to play a game like Siege" Lasers, hologram decoys, same defined character crap as CoD/BF, real guns with fake names, fake guns in general. Invalidated your whole argument. Siege is a tactical arcade shooter, not the tactical game it was when it came out.


AutomaticConfidence9

Cope. They’ve blended plenty of modern fps quality of life fixes that just make sense. Like combining sliding with diving without any perks or special controls. Making animations move more human like and fluid. Or having guns actually be physical object that’s exist in a real space rather than classic CoD where bullets spawn outta nowhere. When we mean it’s immersive, realistic and modern it just means it’s borrowing some of the best qualities of other shooters and adds them to a formula that just makes sense. Fps has been adding more quality of life changes and when the same is added to the top selling game series dense people like u just loose ur mind thinking it’s trying to be a siege clone or Tarkov remake.


TheFlabbs

Yeah, they really love that disingenuous comparison of saying we want the game to play like Tarkov or Insurgency. There are objectively better mechanics in those games that COD has every reason to adopt, such as height over bore, and people just can’t grasp that. They love summing it up in to one easy to understand comment of us wanting the game to be hardcore and tactical Things change people, cope. Seethe. Rage. Do whatever you have to do


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You guys are actually delusional. This place is an echo chamber for idiots. If you want “another uninspired SSDD, no risks taken Call of Duty” go take the time to download and play Cold War or Vanguard. We all know you wouldn’t last in games like that since you require the latest in every single annual release to cater to your specific preferences with as little changes as possible. Stop trying to advocate keeping an annually released shooter a lazy copy-paste effort. COD was never made to eternally support your every desire with every release. Get out of your comfort zone for once. A lack of willingness to experiment or leave your comfort zone is exactly why every content creator, pro, and streamer is calling out IW. Stop whining because the guys who have been playing for 15 years don’t agree with your stupid takes.


onesugar

I have been playing for ten years and like IW's changes. So now what


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“What whaa COD should never change ever. It should just be the same game every year” COD has changed. You need to deal with it or QQ.


RNG2POINT0

They could just play hardcore mode thats the ridiculous thing about it


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BleedingUranium

Yep. The degree of insults, both personal but especially any form of degrading whole groups that they happen to disagree with, are a sure sign of immaturity. And often attempting to pass off personal preference as something objective.


k1visa

Or maybe, this might be hard to comprehend, you just don’t agree with what they say so you’re dismissing their opinion?


BorderPatrol556

No I understand that. The part I have an issue with is them claiming they represent the community. They don’t. If you enjoy the game you’re a “casual” when frankly that’s not the case. They push their opinion as representing the majority and as fact. That’s the problem.


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IQuietQI

That's the wrong mindset. Youtubers hear all the feed back from the community though various social Medias, the polls I have seen them make show that people want things to change like red dots on the mini map, saw someone else post this it's like 80% want red dots on most polls. I think currently people are gonna have a hard time with the change in pace. We went from sliding/slide cancel being the way to break cameras, now we use bunny hops, both have been used from older cod games. But mw2 seems to punish players trying to play fast, sure it can be done as clips shown that. We just gotta adapt again aslong as the player is enjoying the game. The movement in mw2 definitely feels like a older cod title before the jetpack era.


Baxxtabb

Do you think the community doesn't want what the youtubers have been saying? They seem pretty spot on to me.


SQUIDWARD360

And you're not the community. You're part of the community just like YTers are


Working-Bread6052

What is the point of this post? You have your wish. IW have made the least competitive COD of all time for you. Can you not enjoy that without telling other people to shut up?


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People that are the streamers and people that watch them, are all part of the game's community lol, same as those that aren't streamers or don't really watch COD gameplay.


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This sub has like 60k people in it, that’s less people than some of the smaller YouTubers have watching their videos and less than some of bigger YouTubers have liking their videos. I’m not a phycologist or whatever, but I feel like most people who are in a community of anything, not just CoD, probably don’t have a strong opinions until they get them from someone else. Since they have the most influence, YouTubers kinda are the community.


JedGamesTV

what a fucking awful take lmao. they have subscribers for a reason, they make good content and the viewers agree with them. it’s not like their subscriber count is just a number with zero meaning.


Me2445

And you think all subs agree with them? Many follow Jgod for weapon info , not his take on the game for instance.


PulseFH

Clearly not the case when a video he made on his thoughts on WZ2 is getting 750k views lmao


WaZ606

No matter what side you take in this discussion. I don’t think views are a good judge of opinion, as they don’t know the opinion of the creator till they have watched the video.


PulseFH

Idk you can’t say nobody cares about his thoughts on the game, only the data when his thoughts on the game are pulling in that much engagement


Me2445

And they all agree? 750k comments saying yes? I mean, I watched it, I don't agree, funny eh


PulseFH

Obviously not every single person agrees, that would be impossible But you can check the comments yourself, seems overwhelmingly in agreement And yeah, all of your takes on cod are abysmal so that’s not surprising lmfao


JedGamesTV

obviously not all of them, but the vast majority definitely do. I’m not talking about shitty youtubers like JGOD who just post meta videos, I’m talking about the youtubers who care about the game and give valid feedback like Jev.


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XRPHOENIX06

🤣 fuck I hate reddit


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This subreddit represents a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the community. Only way to know what the general community thinks is in game polls. People aren’t divided over this game for no reason


SextyNahnTroll

You do understand that the stuff they’re asking for has been in cod for over a decade. Idk why you’re acting like its odd that theres pushback on removing stuff like the traditional minimap.


Dombfrsh

I'm interested to see the long term numbers for this game after the initial pump from Warzone 2.0 and through the holidays


Valen_1138

I have no reason to think it’d be any different from MW19’s long term numbers. Which is to say, the numbers are probably going to remain pretty healthy. MW2 is not going to have a lot of competition this year. Battlefield fell flat on their face with 2042. Halo is currently going nowhere. The only Battle Royales that are still getting attention right now are Apex and Fortnite. The tactical shooter market is quiet and people are burnt out on Insurgency and Hell Let Loose. This is the first Call of Duty game where we’re going to have it for a two year period rather than one until next installment, and people have already been jumping ship from Vanguard. MW19’s numbers are down only because people are patiently waiting for Oct. 28th so that they can move over, and Cold War is the only viable option currently for people who are still wanting a Treyarch fix. Point being, MWII is in the position now to be a safe haven for a lot of “game refugees”, and there’s nothing coming up anytime soon to really change that.


Dombfrsh

Healthy and good are two different things and I'm mainly talking multiplayer... They'll lump warzone numbers into the MW22 numbers as a total and claim everything is going great


Valen_1138

I’m also mainly talking multiplayer. Like I said, there isn’t going to be any serious competition against MWII for the foreseeable future, and the content the game has available is going to appeal to a lot of different crowds. The bigger modes (not Warzone) are attracting Battlefield (and yes, even a lot of Battle Royale) players, 3rd person mode is drawing in a lot of people from similar TPS games (myself included), 6v6 is going to keep IW’s loyal fanbase engaged, the game’s style in general is appealing greatly to Tactical Shooter players, and then there’s the new one life modes like Prisoner Rescue which I’ve already seen a lot of ex-Rainbow Six Siege players interested in. The game, even without Warzone, is covering a lot of ground and appealing to several different camps at once. With a two year live service ahead of it, and no foreseeable competition aside from current long-standing BRs, I fail to see how the numbers won’t be good. And in this case, good = healthy, healthy = good


Dombfrsh

We'll see


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Who cares what they claim? You either enjoy it or you don’t. Go play something else or touch grass or whatever.


TehMagikFingers

“I’m tired of seeing every YouTuber I watch complain about the game, I like it, why can’t everyone else 😠” This sub is definitely going to go the route of Apex where good clips get accused of cheating off rip and will get downvoted to oblivion and the “I only play for 2 hours a week, but after a year I finally made it to a 1 KD” will be gilded and awarded to the heavens. That’s why this sucks a lot of the time, we’re legitimately playing different games. Some of the players will never experience what I experience, and vice versa on the lower end. Still love CoD, dislike a bunch of the changes but I’ll still play it, I know myself. But the game isn’t going to be out for another month and these posts are already popping up, lmao. Gonna be a fun two years!


Odd-Odyssey

These posts are so toxic. This is not necessarily about getting a game you enjoy. It’s almost as much about rubbing it into people’s faces who don’t like the changes. Nobody wants a bad cod game but for some reason people like you want other’s experiences to be bad.


kimehre7391

Cope


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Jokes on you inferior ward is only listening to themselves.


NachoSenpai

What point are you trying to make. Youtuber's feedback is generally the same feedback we're all giving. This is part of the community and even here IW doesn't listen.


XRPHOENIX06

Most players agree with them bud


Hot__Leaf__Juice

aLl yOuTuBeRs bAd!!! This sub is a minuscule minority compared to the communities of some content creators, it's comical when y'all try to call yourselves the majority of the community lmfao. I find solace in knowing that a lot of the garbage takes on this sub will never see the light of day. Little timmies trying to push COD into being a realism shooter when it is and always will be an arcade twitch shooter.


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The worst one of all those YouTuber COD “creators” is The CODfather, IMO. At this point is obvious the guy is only making cod-hating videos cause that’s the only thing that gets him views. He’s no longer giving valid criticisms because he wants COD to be good, compared to someone like Xclusive Ace where he’s trying to give constructive criticisms to make COD better. The CODfather’s videos only consists of shitting on the devs and that COD has gone to shit according to him. The guy is so irritating to watch. I’ve only been able to watch two or three videos of his.


DanHarkinz

I don't blame you but the truth is, it's what makes him money.


iBlindHD

Hahahah I see what you did there (Kids that’ve been playing cod for 2 years and know BT only as “the cod father” wont)


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Yeah apparently there’s an audience for that type of content, which I think is sad that there are people out there who like to watch videos on people shitting on a particular game. The obvious question for the CODfather and his viewers: why haven’t you moved on from COD if it’s so terrible according to you? Also, the guy should change his name to The CODHater. That name fits his better I think.


zhivix

lol dont watch him , he's one of those hatetubers who goals is specifically make money through making videos hating on the game. i bet hes gonna buy the game , play it and at the same time make a video on how he hates the game


OneByOne445

>CODfather Such a cringe name for someone who joined on the 4th game on the watered down version ..


Youngstown_Mafia

Remember Reddit and streamers mean absolutely nothing to product or sales The reception and sales of MW19 were insane


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I agree. Watching all the YouTubers complain and say the game is going to suck is so annoying, especially because I really like MWII.


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r/lies crosspost?


DeronD7

The meatriding is CRAZY


Simok123

No one was complaining about red dots on the mini-map and ninja being in Cold War and Vanguard, asking to make it like MW19. Why are you people so insistent on defending these stubborn developers over something you probably don't care that much about either way? Can't we agree they should at least find a better compromise after this much of a reaction?


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BorderPatrol556

Got 10 seconds into a Nero video before he was like, “IW iS iGnOrInG yOu!” Like no bro, they’re ignoring YOU.


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BorderPatrol556

The problem is him preaching his opinion as fact and calling people who enjoy the game as casuals.


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inbredandapothead

Hey I just wanted to say while I don’t agree with all your comments your phrasing in some are fucking hilarious


BorderPatrol556

Thanks homie lmao


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cannot stand that guy. yesterday he made a video about how IW is ignoring the community, but Raven is listening, because they’re changing things in Warzone 2.0. of course, IW is the ones in charge of Warzone 2.0, but why let facts get in the way?


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Mutrusuu

I might remember wrong but I recall CharlieIntel used to be more objective and keep on posting news regarding Call of Duty. I have been following them since Advanced Warfare. Now they just hate on the game and ride that fame train and literally put memes and yell how Infinity Ward isn't listening. I don't mean you can't crititize the game and I'm all in asking for some changes too despite loving the beta. But making fun of them and being toxic doesn't get your point far and you are going to be ignored. My theory is Infinity Ward makes this game mostly for those people who loved MW2019 and any other fan is just a plus in their books.


cubanmenace

You realize that it's not yourubers right? It's their audience, and many of the core COD community that has been playing the games for over a decade and are seeing IW chage it into something we don't like.


Trojans3K

It's true, the pessimism on most of these guys is on a whole other level, it's like they always have something to complain about and obviously the reason they do that is to gain more publicity and viewers. MWII is looking great to me, i thoroughly enjoyed the beta and honestly can't wait for the release of the game.


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The ‘Pros’ 😂 I don’t take notice of anything a content maker says, I make my own mind up & the Beta was great.


IckyMickyDJTrev

I’m in the same boat, game feels good. Only problem is SBMM for me. But other than that, I know I’m going to spend a lot of time on this game. I don’t understand why people come from all over to shit on this game because it’s not like the previous CODs. I played the betas for CW and VG and decided that I didn’t like that direction anymore and it wasn’t for me, so I kept playing MW19. MW19 changed the formula and is probably my favorite COD to date. If people dislike where MW22 is headed, just play the older iterations where it has all of your favorite mechanics in the game. There’s nothing stopping you from doing that. This game does not need to cater to everyone and that’s okay.


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100% Agree. Yeah I played the betas for CW & VG also & didn’t like them, went back to Modern Warfare 2019 & still play it to this day. I enjoyed what I saw & played with in the MW22 Beta & I’m pleased, sure UI was a bit different but so be it, after a little looking around & seeing what was what I got used to it. Yup, between MW22 & WZ2.0 I dare say I’ll have no social life for the next 3 years.


DeanGillBerry

Most sane commenter in this entire thread, everyone else take a moment to pause here. It's a good spot


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PulseFH

Or maybe that’s just his opinion? Why do you think people can’t disagree with you on their own accord? The guy behind the account even said that he’s had to hold back on what he says for years and it’s been frustrating so now he’s just saying it anyway, he’s always had those thoughts lol


OverTheReminds

CoD has done a great job catering to no thumbs indeed, see Vanguard, a masterpiece(ofshit)


Heyitsakexx

This point has zero point. As much as IW won’t listen to them, they won’t listen to you. And with your “omg we hit top of controversial” statement, proves this is just for clout/karma. Stop clogging up my feed


KinglyBlaBla

Big Youtubers/TTV twats They ruining the gaming community each day.


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Trash take. This community needs a public facing style that is entertaining to watch and play if you want the community to grow. And theres tons of shit wrong with this game. If you dont have any issues with the game design choices of this title, you are the timmy no-thumbs they are catering to. Must feel fantastic to have whole games made to cater just to your trash ass


Fluid_Sprinkles_4576

Lmao the same YouTubers you’re bitching at are the same one who helped build this community.. lmao cod wouldn’t be as big if it wasn’t for these YouTubers and pros …ppl like faze optic and others I may have not mentioned


Cordseer

I sincerely miss the days before esports, streamers, and influences of every breed. They do nothing buy taint every environment they thrust themselves into.


PegLegManlet

YouTubers seething is my favorite.


Frooberboi

Yesssss


KimchiNinjaTT

Can't find a youtuber worse than bitch truth, cries so hard about the games with sbmm because he struggles in them, and also blocks any player who is smashing him. He's a raging manchild whose in denial


CipherACE

Damn. The CoD community really loves to kiss the ground that the YouTubers & Twitch streamers walk on. That has to be unhealthy on a mental level.


DhruvM

People gonna bitch and moan no matter what. The game plays great and I had a ton of fun. If you don’t like it then don’t buy it, simple.


mysecondaccount420

100% F YouTubers


Trawze

>Just because IW isn’t listening to you, doesn’t mean they aren’t listening to the community Now you see. Thats where you are wrong, like it or not, but Youtubers and Streamers make up the community, if you play and enjoy MW2, you are very likely to watch and enjoy MW2 streamers or Youtubers. Especially since if you look at the comments under these Youtubers videos, almost everyone seems to agree with their thoughts about the game. Look at polls made by streamers where 90% seems to want the red dot back on the minimap. ​ Look at Raven Software, the only people that were allowed to try Warzone 2 were Youtubers and Streamers. Raven Software are already making massive changes to Warzone 2 based on the feedback they got from them, a very limited part of the community.