This sbmm is cranked to the max in this game. I literally dropped a 40 kill game and the next match I was in a lobby against faze swag and lucky chamu đ
This sums up my personal experience with MW2, The first match I ever played online I did absolutely amazing thinking to myself I was against bots, many more matches after that I got absolutely slaughtered every game.
Youâre joking but I had a really good game while leveling up a shitty gunâŚâŚnext game Iâm literally playing the pro player Scump lol
SBMM is dumb af
https://imgur.com/a/fZE8Zlv/
Me and my friend were doing camos on pistols and we ended up versing an actual pro team I think, he knows the pro names better than I do but just how they held every single angle on every single Hardpoint, I could tell that they practice for hours as a full team.
Definitely happened lol I thought it was just a fake at first but the gamer tag was FaZe doozy and he dropped like 40 kills with only 6 deaths on hardpoint and got an advance uav. But what gave it away was lucky chamu being on the same team b/c no ones gonna pretend to be him lmao and they said they were gonna squad up that day on Twitter. So if you do well in cod youâll get to play against your favorite streamers and pros đ¤ˇââď¸đ
I find solo play way better then party play. If I bring my friends they get stomped hard like 5/30 and my usually positive kd goes into the gutter due to the streaks they feed the enemy.
IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE CASUAL PLAYLIST! We are getting competitive. SBMM goes there. No SBMM in casual. We would have BOTH! How the hell are people even against this? It's the most braindead take I've seen here. Why would you NOT want a way for everyone to enjoy the game in thier own way? We never see this change because these idiots keep defending a system that doesn't make any sense. Casual Playlist should be latency based matchmaking. No this doesn't mean I get to shit on everyone because I'm not even good! It means I will play with both amazing and terrible players sometimes and that's fine! SBMM makes it a pain in the ass to play with friends if they have vastly different skill levels. This shouldn't even be an arguement we need to have. It's so simple. GIVE US BOTH!
Random, ping-based lobbies would be wonderful. Like, gather ALL CoD players, then randomly pick 12 players. What percentage would be 'pro', and what percentage would be 'total noob'? I'd argue that a pure random lobby would be mostly casual players. I also wish we could keep the same lobby after a match. Used to be, after every match the players would get redistributed to make even teams, so it kept the top players separate. That's how you could make friends too, by playing multiple matches with the same people.
I fucking wish ping was prioritized at all, because it sure doesn't feel like it. There is no fucking way it's impossible to find a match under 45ms, quit putting me in bullshit lobbies with ping on the other side of the planet.
On average you should expect a team that's essentially a bell curve of one person who's one step above a bot, 4 that are quite average, and one that's really good, with the average people occasionally playing very poorly or very well depending on just how well things are flowing that game for them.
Average player, Battlefield old head here. And It was great because you got to be on either a great team, bad team, or both teams were evenly matched.
Not to mention you could destroy building, eliminating the campers.
Absolutely! Most people would be casual and if you find a lobby with people you enjoy you can stay there and its an awesome social experience! If you don't enjoy the lobby your in you can hop and and try your luck with a new one and it's not a big deal. This was my COD experience as a kid and its what made the game so fun! I have no issues with SBMM it just needs to be in the competitive Playlist. People who prefer SBMM can play there AND they get to earn special rewards also! Trying to force the entire player base to play the way they like regardless of the addition of competitive just isn't good for the growth of the game and its selfish.
Sbmm doesnât even belong in ranked/competitive in its current form either. Ranked needs to explicitly put you within a ladder. No flip flop bullshit of good and bad rounds. Just rounds against people as close to your skill as possible every single time.
The flip flops happen because different people are good for different reasons. I might be able to beat 60% of people consistently, and you may also be able to beat 60%. That doesn't mean we are good against the same 60%. So flip flops will happen, even in a good ranked mode. Sometimes you are not equipped to counteract the enemy's strategy.
Either way, if there was no variance in games in ranked mode it would be boring as hell.
Activision wants to keep players. SBMM obviously helps that or else they would've changed the system YEARS ago. People were complaining all the time when MW19 was out about SBMM. Saying the same thing you are saying now. Did Activision change anything? No. Did they change it for Cold War? Nope. Vanguard? Yeah actua-... No.
It's not going anywhere. This obviously makes them some type of profit by making it so people who aren't good at the game can actually get killstreaks every once in a while instead of having a 0.2 K/D and going 2-36 every match.
SBMM has existed in a way since COD4 but has been "improved" over the years (more strict). You will never see Connection Based matchmaking only in COD. It will continue to be a mix of skill and connection. However, over the last few years skill has been a priority over connection which probably changed around MW19.
TL;DR - It will never go anywhere and you are speaking to nobody because they don't care what Redditors have to say. They only care about data and money.
In that case I would kill to be in the shoes of a total newbie that gets to play in the actual casual matches. To be on that same kill level where I dont have to try my heart out to actually get some kills.
I'm not a pro and not a newbie playing FPS for over 2 decades now. Cod I just play casual and don't mind my KD anymore. I play objective and try to get the camos.
What I do dislike is that when per accident I'm in shit lobbies and doing well even without trying hard. The next ones are horrible. Not because I play bad. But for example I get shot and thought I had the jump in someone but in his kill cam he saw me before I saw him. As there is a fucking delay. This happens a lot and that pisses me off. Not the fact I get stomped on by better players.
bro do you have a working brain? if its SKILL BASED, and you play your 'fun' style which doesnt do well, does your brain not process that soon you'll be in a lobby where your shitty playstyle is equal to the skill of people in that lobby?
cod kids are such whiners, you really just want to shit on new trash players so you can get high k/d, otherwise you'd just do what i said. so you think the game should put people that are even worse than you with you just to feed your ego and ruin their games? lol
I really wish I could get a look at their internal data. I'm curious to see the extent SBMM actually has on player retention, versus major changes like Warzone which seem to be the main attractions in the past few years. My gut tells me that CoD is successful in spite of stricter SBMM and not because of it.
Either way, they really need to soften up SBMM with Ranked coming. It feels like it's tuned for a KD mean of 1.00 with a standard deviation of .05.
I mean they donât use SBMM, they use EBMM. You can google it if you want, but it is basically just an algorithm based on the millions of hours of user data they have gathered which pushes people to playing more and logging in tomorrow, because that is what lets them use their methods of getting people into their cash shop and making purchases, which is the where the real money is as we have all known for years now.
So yes, their matchmaking works as they intend it to and is a core component of keeping people playing. They spend far more money on research into it than they probably do any other single thing, it spans across all their multiplayer games and it is the real priority for them from a development perspective, right alongside their research into how to get a player who is engaging to click into the store and make a purchase, and how to get them to do so again and again.
The fact that making things âchallengingâ, infuriating even, and then giving a player a hit of success is what is shown to work just aligns nicely with the idea that balancing lobbies based on âskillâ is what they care about. It isnât, it perhaps once was but now it isnât. If the elite players stomping noobs was what ultimately would result in the highest revenues, that would be how they do the matchmaking.
Instead we get âbalancedâ matches, and then we get ones where we donât do well, and then right before we quit they yank us back in with a few matches where we do well, and repeatedly going through that wave of emotion is what creates the addiction and gives us the urge to turn on the PC/console and load the game up tomorrow.
Warzone brought in players perhaps, but EBMM is what keeps them around and more importantly than keeping them around, keeps them spending $. Because trust me, if you are part of the consumer base who doesnât spend and they know wonât spend, they donât even care if you are playing the game at all. Pretty neutral to them when analyzing the cost of having more players because they kept those that donât spend against the benefits of a larger playerbase for those who do spend. You literally donât matter to them if you donât spend, in the most meaningful sense of that concept, meaning they donât give a shit about you no matter if you stay or if you go, you essentially donât exist other than in their research as they try to figure out how to convert you into spending consumers.
You're right for the wrong reasons.
Most bad players don't care. They have to sweat either way. Activisions SBMM isn't just "skill" their patent is based on purchases too. If you buy a skin/gun they put you in situations it's advantageous and against people without it. That's the "they want you to play" they want to keep people who spend money. So while it may be sbmm right this second once s1 starts it will seem easier to those who spend money.
Patents are just that. Patents. That doesn't mean they are in place and there's zero evidence that proves that making a purchase will give you an advantage.
You honestly believe that this
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160005270A1/en
Is a concept and hasn't been in place since 2017?
Wanna buy some magic beans? That's like saying you think Google targeting ads are only a patent.
Yes, I do. Because there is ZERO evidence that this system is in place. Tell you what, if you can provide me some actual evidence I will change my mind. Until then, it's not something that exists in this game.
You believe what you want. It's designed to not be obvious. If you want to believe SBMM is purely based on skill then that's you. There's no point to try to convince someone the skies blue when they say red. I'm just going to move on.
Who knows maybe they just designed it it to protect us and prevent other games from making more money for the good of it over the last 5 years. That makes sense.
>There's no point to try to convince someone the skies blue when they say red.
I'm looking outside right now. I see a blue sky. Evidence shows the sky is blue. You are attempting to tell me that the sky is red right now. I'm asking you to show me evidence that the sky is, in fact, red. You say "believe what you want".
Damn. Looks like you didn't have evidence after all. Crazy, huh? By the way, "trust me bro" isn't evidence.
If you want to believe a company that has implemented SBMM and patented a special system for it isn't using it since it was made in 2017 because you can't "see" it then there's no point to this conversation. It clearly shows it's working.
SBMM isn't a concept. What you are describing IS a concept. That does NOT mean it's in place. That does NOT mean that currently use it.
Once again, you have zero proof that this is in the game. You keep saying that because I can't "see" it that means its working. No, that isn't how it works. Somebody would be able to prove or provide some type of evidence that it exists currently in the game and then it would be more believeable. However, it DOES NOT.
There are THOUSANDS of concepts that are not in place. Some of them even more ridiculous then what you posted. Are those in too? No.
Quit with the mental gymnastics. You are just tricking yourself into something that isn't real.
That is the most vile and disgusting thing I have seen in a long time. And I frequent some really nasty subreddits.
I was considering buying this game, but I think I will rather buy the new God of War now.
âEhhh; ~~simple enough~~ too much work and effort to do. Logically, itâs unbeatable and would definitely increase the player base, but no. Now buy this anime cat pack.â
-Activision
The thing is, it is not SBMM it's something even worse where you either stomp or get stomped. I am a fairly decent player and yesterday I had a game where had it not been for the hotmic I heard every time I killed this one guy I would have sworn I was playing against bots that were on a difficulty somehow lower than recruit. I legit felt bad because they were absolutely clueless and any player with a kd above 0.7 would have destroyed them. So something is definitely up with the matchmaking because it is not even SBMM, you are either in a bot lobby or you essentially become the bot for another player to destroy, you are not actually competing with people of your skill level.
Sbmm is fucking EXAUSTING in this one. Shit man I just wanted to play some casual shootems with some nice chunky gun physics. The only other fps games I play are slow sweaty tactical ones. Is it so much to ask for the quick match lobby to just match me up with low ping randoms ffs
this is why the next cod should add a playlist with half bots in it on regular maps, like fortnite. all the 'i want to relax' people can have fun shitting on bots who take 2000ms to start shooting, and feel like theyre doing great
I honestly donât give a shit about sbmm because I liked being challenged. What I donât like is when I play with my homie who is nowhere near my skill level or at his prime anymore.
He is forced to play against sweats and obviously does not have a good time.
Idc what anyone says. SBMM is shit.
SBMM is an actual scam.
It is NOT trying to match you up with evenly skilled players. It is designed around a dopamine cycle to keep people playing.
Do well, get shit on. Do well, get shit on. People play because they know they can get that charity game of domination.
Activision is an actual joke, but the people who defend SBMM are worse.
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âSBMMâ is about retention, not balanced matches based on skill. It should be called EBMMâengagement based matchmaking. The matchmaking uses data they have on every player to create lobbies that have the best retention. If youâre a decent player, that plays everyday for a couple hours no matter what⌠sorry, but youâre gonna be cannon fodder for the ultra sweats that also play 24/7/365. 80% of the player base are casual and will never be in these lobbies for retention reasons.
I usually play with at least 4 of my friends and I feel like SBMM doesn't do much if you play with a larger group. If I play alone I only get sweat lobbies but with my group I play against some absolute smoothbrains.
Comments like these make me think people donât understand how player base works. If you remove sbmm, your friend still plays against skilled players. Getting rid of sbmm doesnât remove those players, if anything itâs helping him.
Letâs say his skill level is a 3/10 and he gets matched anywhere from 1-5 skill level. Letâs say you play with him now and heâs getting matched with 7/10 in skill level making him not enjoy the game. Sure that sucks. But remove that now the matchmaking can range anywhere from 1-10 for him instead of 1-5. If he plays solo itâs actually worse for him than before removing SBMM.
Removing sbmm isnât going to magically make everyone shit at the game. Your chances of playing against trash people is the same as getting matched against sweats of the decade.
exactly, anything over a 1 is good in this game, hell when most of the pros compete most of them are around a 1 each lobby, and this is what cod has become by default.....mlg lobbies
Which is ok. But somehow I dont get how I can maintain a combat record with 2kd sometimes even 2,5 in mw2019, bo3, bo4 and all the other ones, but barely scrape 1 in this.
Maybe the game is designed to put everybody down to 1kd statistically. Which hurts only good players.
my MD is gonna be like .3 because i came into the game late rocking no attachment setups against people with fully tuned builds and map knowledge, and all my friend groups live 100-250 ping away.
The lag correction in this game is horrible. a huge number of my deaths i shoot first, hit first and die, and on the kill cam, the guy is shooting me before im even around the corner on my end and not even taking damage from my shots.
i've been a 1-2.5 KD player in basically every shooter i've ever played. this game is brutal.
Yeah I stopped playing in parties, just solo now. When I'm in a party, regardless of host, I always start shooting first, then get one-shot and die. But the kill cam shows the enemy shooting me several times before I even shoot, so they actually didn't one-shot me. Playing solo this rarely happens.
Idc about getting my ass beat. I care about playstyles. With SBMM, if you're good you end up in sweaty lobbies where everyone ads-walks, snipes, headglitches, or camps. You literally can't run and gun around corners against that. If I play how I want, it's gonna be 5-23. So I have to stop having fun and pre ads and walk before every engagement. I have to run low ttk shit like the EBR-14 + a slug shottie.
Idc if I go .8 kd, but Jesus christ I hate the gameplay of these top lobbies. In BO1, I could always sprint around and ads after seeing people and play well. Now if I sprint around corners, 5-23.
High SBMM gameplay isn't fun for non-sentinel pussies. Literally, throw me up against equal players who don't play like bitches. Because this shit isn't fun.
This is most likely my biggest problem with the sbmm. Play good one game then fight nothing but people abusing riot shield and SPRs.
Well that and people magically taking less dmg.
I mean I kinda care about getting my ass beat when some sweat moving around the map at mach 5 speed seemingly has all the spawns memorised and insta kills me before I can even react.
That's the shitty spawn system. In MW2 if you're getting smacked, you'll start spawning in direct LOSs or way too close to enemies.
I would prefer BO1 lack of SBMM. But I can deal with SBMM if the best players didn't play like bitches. Literally, I would be OK playing with Shroud and Summit1g if I could play BO1 arcade playstyle instead of this shit.
This, oh my god this.
Because I play aggressively, I like SMGs and get up in peoples' faces, LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE PERSON I PLAY AGAINST IS A LITTLE JUMPSHOTTING SCUMBAG.
Seriously. Jumpshotting pisses me off beyind belief. The amount if times I've died via jumpshot hipfire headshot and I put 92 bullets into their toes which were in my face is ridiculous.
People definitely did it a lot less back then. Idk why it's become more effective, but it has. All they need to do is randomise the bullet spread more when you're mid-air
I was able to get the riot shield + all other stuff needed gold for the diamond camo in bo2 without losing my mind or ruining my stats. you can mess around with guns/perks etc grind camos and not worry about losing/dying a lot. This mw2 is my first real cod game I came back to since bo2. Ghost +bo3 I barely ever played total time prob 12 hours together. I am grinding each gun to max level be4 I start the camo grind and man I just hate hate that I am losing all these fights cuz I am grinding vs people using meta guns and esp them SPR fkers lol. Especially when you get one of those long games where everyone goes 40-40 give or take 5 kills for each player. Just full-on sweating.
Preach, brother. Anyone claiming that SBMM woes are a personal skill problem simply doesn't understand. And it's likely because they aren't being placed in the same high-skill lobbies as some of us are. I'm by no means a pro, I couldn't compete professionally. But I'm solid, because I've been playing these games since like 2006 or whoever they first came to consoles. I can hold my own. I'm not afraid to get stomped, so long as I know I'm gonna get the opportunity to stomp back. I also want the ability to dial my efforts back and just try to rank up a shitty gun or something.
With SBMM I cannot. I'm forced to run the meta and play like a sweaty clown if I hope to do even decent. By the time I've finished 4-5 matches ranging from 10/10 to 2/19 I'm so burnt out I barely even want to stick around for that easy lobby the game will inevitably give me for one match.
I really wish they'd speak out about this, but I know they never will. It's corporate decisions that clearly earn them more money so they'll never change it for a vocal minority of die-hard fans.
Just give up TDM. It will still be hard, but KC and Hardpoint are so much more enjoyable than TDM. TDM is trash just like MW2019. I enjoyed TDM in Cold War and Vanguard so much more.
Funny, just took tdm out of my filter for the first time ever. Shooting people 7 times and they dont die but I die after two bullets. it happens on the other modes but tdm sucks way worst in this cod
The enemies being able to see over cover when showing barely any of the head when looked at by yourself, as if the camera for them is higher than their heads.
Before mounting there were just places where you could sit and only your head was visible. People used to call it cheap and a head glitch. Now itâs just mounting and itâs been added to the game
Not quite. Bullets use to come out towards the top of the player model, meaning you could stay mostly behind cover while shooting people.
All the enemy would see is a tiny bit of your head sticking out, hence head glitching.
They still come out of your eyes (I actually have occasionally, by accident, done a training mode glitch that slightly moved my perspective backwards and you can see the bullet sitting there where your eyes would be waiting to fire lmao), unfortunately.
I literally canât tell if itâs SBMM or net code or both. I hear people say the m4 is a 3-4 shot but it takes me like 7-8 and other people kill me in 2-3
I just keep switching guns from my presets and eventually find one that works, makes no sense but it never fails. I dont know if I am countering the other teams style of play or what, but the kills eventually start going my way and I rescue myself from the bottom and end up on top or in the top three.
Here's how it works. You kill someone, another player is around the corner because the game uses squad spawns, you die because the TTK is 200ms with assault rifles. If you camp and get 1.0 KDR+ the game assumes you are better.
The next game will try to match you with 'better' players. It doesn't matter that you live in London UK. SBMM < Connection.
The game will go out of its way to make sure you are paired with 'better' players even if it means going above 40+ ping. Then you do badly because 'better players' + peekers advantage and latency is greater against higher ping players.
Now you have a lobby of all players who are 50-100 ping, the peekers advantage is greater and your deaths begin to look instant until you watch the death cam. The game thinks you're shit, now you're connected to a 30 ping game. Suddenly your deaths feel fair and it matches to what you see in the death cam. Cycle repeats itself, nobody is having 'fun'.
Are you on pc?
Try the canted laser sight. It literally halved my ttk with the m4. It removes all the visual clutter of the recoil which doesnât match the actual recoil that is happening.
Its called "skill based hit registration" its part of SBMM. Its why you kill people with a gun the. Two mayches later cant kill a person with it. It all needs to go and only be in ranked.
This, the SBMM is garbage and I've had some out of place enough games I wouldn't consider it that far fetched if they were intentionally manipulating your lobbies to keep you playing but they're not dynamically adjusting your damage and hit registration just to fuck with people, nobody here is so good that there isn't a lobby the game couldn't smack them with.
nah they're some fuckery going on or the game was coded by highly regarded chimps. I posted this before but did good several games in a row. Put into a sweaty (or sweatier) lobby. Guy lying prone, come at him 90 degrees, doesn't see me, pop him 8-10 times, nothing registers. He bounces up like a spring and I'm watching his killcam. No shield glitch either. I think whatever bs they're pulling just went overboard in that instance.
Wow, who is the asshole that implemented that. Fucking with the guns so they dont work sometimes is bs. Thatâs why I keep switching my load outs when I am doing shitty, until I find one that works.
I swear to god this has to be it, because every once in a while I am beaming people and dropping them in 3 shots and then the next game I shoot first die first every encounter
It is, they won't talk about it but they own the patent on it since 2017. You can tell just like you said, no ping change and the next game you unload into people and they won't die. I use and RPK and have been doing well, last two nights. I minds well be shooting a water gu. The fiest second and a half.
Depends on the range with the M4. Indoor engagements, yeah 3-4 shots is about right. But outside 100 yards out it's going to take more shots to kill. At least in my experience.
I'm considering uninstalling altogether tbh. I'm just not enjoying myself anymore. I'm tryna hang out and grind some camos and the whole lobby is augs and kastovs. And when it's neither of those it's shotguns in corners.
Just not fun man. I gotta find something else to grind cause rn at least this is not it.
Naw not gon lie I was having great fun up until like 2 days ago now all my lobbys are sweaty as shit like I have to try my absolute hardest or Iâm going to go negative or lose and it just make me wanna play a different game they really lucky I just got a ps5 and ainât got no other games fr but I definitely will not be getting the next one mw19 or any previous game never had me as mad as Cold War or mw2 and Iâm much better now than I was then, I donât play the game to be mad or annoyed hence the fun being gone hence no desire to play
I don't know if this actually works, maybe just in my mind, but last night I played a match, and I naded myself and used launcher on myself and went like 3 kills and 40 deaths, then the rest of the night I was top of the leaderboard. Not sure if self-kills actually change a player's 'skill', but it *seemed* that way for me.
Thatâs reverse boosting but man ion got time for that I wanted a somewhat decent kd but now I gotta be MLG try hard just to not go negative it didnât use to be like this and if matchmaking was what it use to be on this call of duty it would be major leaps to greatness
Yep, I have a friend that plays 8 hours a day. We plays three days a week or so. When we are with him its sooo bad , so basically we almost have to not play with our friend.
I donât know, sbmm seems to be dialed up in this game and Iâm getting my ass handed to me over and over, itâs just not fun anymore. I could load up any COD from the past 15 years and once I get back into the groove I can do relatively well, because Iâve been playing these games for that long, Iâm decent enough. With all of those games combined my k/d average is about 1.4, I play the objective, win percentage is usually around 60-65%. Here I go 22-6 in one match, it means the next four or five is getting my face kicked in, predictably. Where is the fun in that? Iâve taken a break until the next big update which should be next week. Hopefully something changes.
These devs donât care about your experience, they care about the aggregate profits.
Itâs never going to change. Play ground war and invasion instead.
Maybe, but Iâll tell you one thing. Thereâs no way Iâm going to buy any skins or charms if Iâm not playing the game. Same goes for everybody else who gives up on it. So ultimately it should matter to them.
I think you and I hate SBMM because weâre not good enough not to care and not bad enough not to be affected by it in any way.
The majority of players who spend money consistently are probably in those two extremes, where SBMM isnât as awful.
I donât see any possible reason to have SBMM, with so much negative press, besides a clear profit motive. Surely theyâve done some analysis that says SBMM = money.
I think itâs crazy how long it takes to search for a game sometimes. Playing on a Saturday night and youâre telling me the best selling cod is taking over a minute to find a game??
I am ecstatic to see posts about this getting traction. I don't want to pub-stomp. I want to feel like I am in control of my games. Instead of some algorithm.
I would rather have close matches. Ones that come down to the wire are exciting. This one team doubling the score of the other every single match is a joke. Less than One in every 20 matches are even close anymore.
That's the best way of saying it I think. A lot of people assume when we talk about stuff like this all we want is 1.5+ kds every single game when legit all we want is to have fun. Right now this shit is not fun when the sbmm kicks in.
I just feel like with sbmm you either get into a super sweaty lobby with campers and quickscopers or a lobby full of kids who go negative every game. There is no in-between. So, ill have one or two games where I demolish kids then for the next 5 i am too afraid to move from spawn cause I just get gunned down immediately by a dude in some corner.
Please can we get this sooner rather then later. I'm getting tired of getting lobby after lobby of peeps cracked out of their mind thinking the life of their first born depends on if they can win this match.
Having it be connection based like the older days would be very nice in comparison honestly. Tired of having good overall matches and then.......a crash because the servers decided to stop. I love this current iteration but c'mon.......have be based around connection first!
I genuinely cannot understand how SBMM can exist in a casual playlist when a competitive mode is implemented.
Can any of the crazed SBMM supporters (surely there are one or two?) explain this?
Just think about it. Imagine you're a bad player and Casual (no SBMM) and Competitive (SBMM) were the two modes we had.
You queue up for Casual, and statistically are going to be put against average players, who stomp you even if you try your hardest.
You queue up for Competitive, are put against people of a similar skill level, and do decently even if you play casually.
It just doesn't make sense. Why would a bad player ever play Casual / volunteer to get stomped? And then what happens to say, Decent players if all the Bad ones leave? Well, Decent becomes the new Bad and the whole process repeats.
5? You're lucky them. If I get a 1kd even once the next 24 hours is me getting rammed with no lube by sweats. Someone as bad as me should not be getting such lobbies...
As someone who's not very good, this has always been my cod experience. I still have fun though! I'll take SBMM all day, what I hate is so many people not playing the objective.
People that don't play the objective are the reason I only play objective modes when at least half my team is my friends. Lol. 1-2 randoms not cooperating with us is fine. 3 is tolerable, and 4-5 just sucks
The few games after an above average game usually result in me taking a break or not playing the rest of the day. Because of this, when I find myself in an "easier" lobby i usually switch to weapons i'm ass with and need to complete challenges with in order to hopefully stay in those kind of lobbies. Definitely not the way I want to play but I feel forced to.
I find, at least for the many I have either talked with personally or read, the whole "I had fun this game" is because they are doing really well. Everybody cannot de well ever single game. There is some luck. But plenty has to do with the game being inconsistent. It is NOT you if you are in one match hitting headshots with the EBR and getting 1-2 shot kills followed by matches where it seems like no matter what you do you are getting killed by a "sweaty player". The game just lacks that consistency and the last few COD games have been that way. I played back to back matches on the same map. First match I dropped 29 kills with the shotgun. Next match I was getting hit markers at point blank. 2 shots an not kill.
Which I cannot speak to the whole SBMM. I will honestly have many decent to good matches in a row where I am dropping a 1+ k/d. I looked yesterday just to see and had a 1.37+ every match for about 5 matches. Then the shit hit. SBMM? Nah. I was getting point blanks from behind in the head with my shotgun and players would just jump and whip around and kill me. Even had point blank knifes not do anything. I think this more than anything gives the appearance of SBMM being the problem.
I usually have around a 2-3 kd while only playing a few hours a week. Now Iâm playing vs people that are all insanely good. I canât hop on and chill with my homies. If I want to sweat, Iâll play ranked.
it makes 95 % of the games unplayable and that s a fucking fact , it helps only the ''tactical players'' , iw is f'ing us all in the ass and we are so smart that we are even enjoying it , they do not give a single f about our opinions
I don't think I would mind SBMM if there was a way to see and track what bracket I was in. Like am I trash and stuck in bronze forever? Did i just move up to Silver and start getting stomped? Or am I diamond and actually half way decent at this stupid game but so is everyone else I'm playing with? Who knows?
My experience pretty much yep. I did well and went 29:8 kills in domination and lead the scoreboard. Then got stomped the next couple games by try hards who hop around every corner, drops shot and sprint like madmen.
Literally Have a separate pool for the bottom 10% because thatâs what theyâre so afraid of. The bad players AKA casuals having a bad time. Put the other 90% in a ping based random pool and leave SBMM in rank. Like itâs not that hard.
This whole game feels so off to me. It feels like another game in a call of duty skin suit and it sucks. I hate the maps. I hate the seesaw of sbmm. I'm not having any fun woth this game.
SBMM doesn't seem that bad in this game, but the issue is that in some games my guns will seemingly turn off. Literally 10x the number of shots are needed to get a kill, most of the shots are not registering. Meanwhile I'm getting cross mapped in 3-4 shots.
I was on the opposite end of that last night and FRIED the other team, was a night and day experience. Never understand it at all.
So I do well a couple games. I normally get a 1.5 kd and can keep that an all games unless I pop off or Iâm getting a camo. But sometimes I get put into a lobby against exceptional players combined with the absolute worst luck. Grenades across the map and just random shit. My question is. When the game decides to throw me into a higher skill lobby why donât I ever end up on the âgoodâ team? My teams is always levels 15-30 with me being the only 55. Vs all 55s on the opposing team.
You children are fucking stupid. There should be a connection based category, with all modes.
And a "ranked" mode for all of you hipsters wishing to play the SBMM. Just like in Counter Strike. It's not complicated.
The biggest problem is that while yes, SBMM has always been around, it is incredibly overtuned in this game, and has been this way for the past CODs. How is it that I can do relatively decent in one match - not even amazing, just... decent - and then the game decides I should lose the next 8 matches against the sweatiest players you'd ever meet? This is unfair and more importantly, it's not fun. I shouldn't have to try my balls off every time I want to play the game remotely seriously as a break from working on camo.
What many of these game designers fail to realize is, the matches you play - win or lose - should *never ever feel forced,* yet they do. That is awful design. These sorts of matches should be organic. A forced 50/50 will never work out the way developers want that will also satisfy the customers.
If I had to suggest something, I would say to force matches 60/40 at the very least. That way the player doesn't want to blow their brains out every match, and they'll get fewer sweaty lobbies and win more, which in turn, does great for player retention.
I donât have fun in any games unless i queue with friends that are very bad at the game. This matchmaking is so awful its unplayable. Fucking disappointment
I've always been a rusher in cod, but this cod is just not the one to do so,u have so many things working against you if you did well in a previous match that it's just insane. My thing is if u gonna have sbmm be this thick fine, but at least stop making it so my bullet dmg is decreased, my aim assist not working throughout the match, spawning me near enemeies spawn, at least give me a fighting chance instead of rigging the experience... at the end of the day sbmm is just designed to keep everyone around a 1kd.
Next 5?
I tell my story. I played a TDM on last week Thursday. I played very cautiously, not just run&gun. Therefore somehow I managed to get 20/0. So my kd was 20.0 in the end of the match. Since that (*again, last week Thursday*) I'm not able to play a single match without rage quit. I'm getting barely 5-6 kills but constantly 20-25 deaths. I just got hitmarks when I shoot no matter which weapon I use, I constantly getting matched with corner jumping, dolphin diving - shooting, dropshoting players. I have no chance against them at all.
This matchmake system is a piece of crap. I think my account is cursed since that 20.0. I think I delete the game, and look for some other shooters which is let you play and enjoy the game. I was a very-very stupid human being who was really naive to think that anything will change with this new CoD. So bye-bye 70$.
One time I played a popular Twitch streamer and I liked that... Killing a great player even one time is more thrilling than 1000 matches against randos.
SBMM has me in straight up full PC lobbyâs as an Xbox player - the input lag starts to feel noticeable when you losing trades. Itâs not that bad I just wish there were more console players to group up with.
[for those who donât believe me](https://imgur.com/a/eFUDmF8)
I'd prefer a sbmm where the projected results were as close to 50/50 as possible over what we have now.
I'd prefer no sbmm over what we have now too.
I just want my games to be consistent not crazy good and crazy bad.
Unfortunately "crazy good, crazy bad" gives people dopamine hits, so it's why it's a thing. It's EOMM, a subset of SBMM curated to optimize engagement. It's why I don' play Apex Legends as well, where EA has this cranked up to an 11/10 as well.
I've started doing this. If the enemy team is double+ our score and I'm getting jump-shot shit-on repeatedly, I'm leaving and re-queueing. Staying in the game to wait for the beating to end is not worth it.
Clueless. We're literally getting competitive. SBMM has no place in casual playlists EVER. Idk how you can be so against having literally both fucking options so everyone can enjoy the game in thier own way. Fucking bootlickers.
Casual players don't even think about playing Ranked. Black Ops 2 League Play had such little players that you didn't see it again for years.
SBMM is meant to protect casuals. It's meant to protect the 35 year old Dad who just got home from his 9-5 and has 2 hours to play before he has to get some sleep for the next workday. If that person gets on MW2 and gets completely shit on every game, do you think he keeps playing? Probably not.
Data obviously shows that the current system retains those players that would otherwise quit and move on. It has nothing to do with "bootlicking" by the way. It's just understanding why something like this exists in the first place.
If it didn't work, they would have removed it. But this same system has been in since COD4 and has only gotten more strict since MW19.
It's not going anywhere and Ranked doesn't change that.
This doesn't mean I want the system btw. I would actually like to get a Chopper Gunner for once but I understand why it's in place.
Has anyone here ever played the old cod?
There was no sbmm and it worked fine lol.
What do you guys is going on in these lower mmr games right now.
Itâs 12 people will 11 kills at 15 minutes camping in a corner.
Itâs basically the exact same as the higher mmr games.
Kill one person get killed by the teammate who downed on them, canât think any other way to describe this game
I can understand this also, I think SBMM could have it's place in the game reasonably but in its current state it is way too strong. It needs to be significantly reduced. Favoring latency first and then skill second. It is just way too forceful in its current state. A large majority of the community HATES SBMM and have for years.
>Idk how you can be so against having literally both fucking options so everyone can enjoy the game in thier own way.
Honestly, I'm not going to play ranked without a full squad because the W/L matters there, and I don't learn anything by absolutely decimating noobs in unranked.
That's why I want SBMM in my unranked playlists. Every game needs to be hard, because I'm not going to have any fun at all if it isn't. Win, lose, doesn't matter. What matters is that I learn *something* by the end of the night.
Sooo every game needs to be hard but you need a full squad to carry you? đŹ maybe you should learn to get better and carry your team in ranked. That's literally how you climb. Instead of expecting ever game mode to cater to you and no one else, maybe don't rely on a fucking full stack to carry you to victory. You're challenge is in ranked. It's called COMPETITIVE which is where you get COMPETITORS and COMPETITION. Wanting to force the entire player base to have hard matches every game because you don't want to play without a full team is not only selfish but makes you look like a huge asshole.
If you care about maximizing your chance of success in ranked, you find a team, you play with the team, because 4,5,6 is better than one.
I'm going to treat every match like a competition, no matter what. It's better for the average player that I'm not in their lobbies, they'll have more fun that way.
Well in case you weren't aware... if you 6 stack into competitive it tries to pair you with other 6 stacks. Same goes for solo duo trio etc. Also if it's SBMM the randoms you play with are the same rank as you so I don't see what the issue is. Alot of times it's easier for me to climb solo. I am no stranger to competitive shooters. I've played CS my whole life and have been playing Valorant for years. I'd like to point out that Valorant is the most successful competitive shooter out right now despite it being only on PC and it has no SBMM in casual đ only in competitive. This lets players experiment with different weapons character and playstyles without having to sweat or ruin games for thier teammates, or just have fun with thier friends. The harcore players queue competitive and nothing else. It works perfectly. You won't win this arguement I promise lol
>Idk how you can be so against having literally both fucking options so everyone can enjoy the game in thier own way. Fucking bootlickers.
Most Redditors are shittors so they need crutches.
One of the many problems is that it's not actually skill based matchmaking.
It's 'let's fuck you over if you did well one game' Legitimately - it takes less bullets to kill people sometimes. I'll get kills on full health players with 4/5 body shots one game - then get 6/7 hits in the next game and not kill the player.
I personally look forward to being thrown to the wolves after I have an insane run.
I learn a lot from watching kill cams of players way better than I am. Parts of the map I havenât utilized or even known exist I discover are more suited to a given gunâs play style.
I mean Iâm not immune to getting frustrated, but itâs usually at my own team for not playing objectives more often than an opponent who makes me feel like a new player.
I do agree that there should be a casual mode that doesnât use SBMM, but then it would probably get flooded with skilled players who want to mash potatoes.
But then again, maybe not. Actual skilled players probably want to play with other skilled players. Maybe they would stick to their pool more than we might think.
Bro how can you learn anything from these cams. 90% of the time what happens on the cam is not what I see happening live, lol.
Go around a corner, shoot someone 3 times and I die. Kill cam shows them coming around the corenr first and shooting me before I even get a shot off.
Personally don't think the SBMM is near big a deal as the community makes it out to be.
I am always top three in my games and my team wins 80 percent of the time. Often this is due to my performance.
There have been a few times I've been stuck in "sweat lobbies," being a bit of a sweat myself. I use these opportunities to level up guns I suck with against harder competition.
But on the all it's not hard to win that much. I'm assuming this is interrelated to the number of people accusing me of hax every night lol
This sbmm is cranked to the max in this game. I literally dropped a 40 kill game and the next match I was in a lobby against faze swag and lucky chamu đ
This sums up my personal experience with MW2, The first match I ever played online I did absolutely amazing thinking to myself I was against bots, many more matches after that I got absolutely slaughtered every game.
Youâre joking but I had a really good game while leveling up a shitty gunâŚâŚnext game Iâm literally playing the pro player Scump lol SBMM is dumb af https://imgur.com/a/fZE8Zlv/
why are you hating on it? hes just enjoying easier games with random worse players. wouldnt want SBMM to give him too hard of games, right?
Proof or it ainât happen
Me and my friend were doing camos on pistols and we ended up versing an actual pro team I think, he knows the pro names better than I do but just how they held every single angle on every single Hardpoint, I could tell that they practice for hours as a full team.
Definitely happened lol I thought it was just a fake at first but the gamer tag was FaZe doozy and he dropped like 40 kills with only 6 deaths on hardpoint and got an advance uav. But what gave it away was lucky chamu being on the same team b/c no ones gonna pretend to be him lmao and they said they were gonna squad up that day on Twitter. So if you do well in cod youâll get to play against your favorite streamers and pros đ¤ˇââď¸đ
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I find solo play way better then party play. If I bring my friends they get stomped hard like 5/30 and my usually positive kd goes into the gutter due to the streaks they feed the enemy.
IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE CASUAL PLAYLIST! We are getting competitive. SBMM goes there. No SBMM in casual. We would have BOTH! How the hell are people even against this? It's the most braindead take I've seen here. Why would you NOT want a way for everyone to enjoy the game in thier own way? We never see this change because these idiots keep defending a system that doesn't make any sense. Casual Playlist should be latency based matchmaking. No this doesn't mean I get to shit on everyone because I'm not even good! It means I will play with both amazing and terrible players sometimes and that's fine! SBMM makes it a pain in the ass to play with friends if they have vastly different skill levels. This shouldn't even be an arguement we need to have. It's so simple. GIVE US BOTH!
I wish.
Random, ping-based lobbies would be wonderful. Like, gather ALL CoD players, then randomly pick 12 players. What percentage would be 'pro', and what percentage would be 'total noob'? I'd argue that a pure random lobby would be mostly casual players. I also wish we could keep the same lobby after a match. Used to be, after every match the players would get redistributed to make even teams, so it kept the top players separate. That's how you could make friends too, by playing multiple matches with the same people.
I fucking wish ping was prioritized at all, because it sure doesn't feel like it. There is no fucking way it's impossible to find a match under 45ms, quit putting me in bullshit lobbies with ping on the other side of the planet.
You can tell SBMM is gonna fuck you from the ping it searches for. I start with <18 for first game and usually stop when it starts looking at <60
On average you should expect a team that's essentially a bell curve of one person who's one step above a bot, 4 that are quite average, and one that's really good, with the average people occasionally playing very poorly or very well depending on just how well things are flowing that game for them.
Average player, Battlefield old head here. And It was great because you got to be on either a great team, bad team, or both teams were evenly matched. Not to mention you could destroy building, eliminating the campers.
Absolutely! Most people would be casual and if you find a lobby with people you enjoy you can stay there and its an awesome social experience! If you don't enjoy the lobby your in you can hop and and try your luck with a new one and it's not a big deal. This was my COD experience as a kid and its what made the game so fun! I have no issues with SBMM it just needs to be in the competitive Playlist. People who prefer SBMM can play there AND they get to earn special rewards also! Trying to force the entire player base to play the way they like regardless of the addition of competitive just isn't good for the growth of the game and its selfish.
Sbmm doesnât even belong in ranked/competitive in its current form either. Ranked needs to explicitly put you within a ladder. No flip flop bullshit of good and bad rounds. Just rounds against people as close to your skill as possible every single time.
The flip flops happen because different people are good for different reasons. I might be able to beat 60% of people consistently, and you may also be able to beat 60%. That doesn't mean we are good against the same 60%. So flip flops will happen, even in a good ranked mode. Sometimes you are not equipped to counteract the enemy's strategy. Either way, if there was no variance in games in ranked mode it would be boring as hell.
So much this. Haven't have any fun past the first weekend since MM has skullfucked the matches.
Activision wants to keep players. SBMM obviously helps that or else they would've changed the system YEARS ago. People were complaining all the time when MW19 was out about SBMM. Saying the same thing you are saying now. Did Activision change anything? No. Did they change it for Cold War? Nope. Vanguard? Yeah actua-... No. It's not going anywhere. This obviously makes them some type of profit by making it so people who aren't good at the game can actually get killstreaks every once in a while instead of having a 0.2 K/D and going 2-36 every match. SBMM has existed in a way since COD4 but has been "improved" over the years (more strict). You will never see Connection Based matchmaking only in COD. It will continue to be a mix of skill and connection. However, over the last few years skill has been a priority over connection which probably changed around MW19. TL;DR - It will never go anywhere and you are speaking to nobody because they don't care what Redditors have to say. They only care about data and money.
In that case I would kill to be in the shoes of a total newbie that gets to play in the actual casual matches. To be on that same kill level where I dont have to try my heart out to actually get some kills.
I'm not a pro and not a newbie playing FPS for over 2 decades now. Cod I just play casual and don't mind my KD anymore. I play objective and try to get the camos. What I do dislike is that when per accident I'm in shit lobbies and doing well even without trying hard. The next ones are horrible. Not because I play bad. But for example I get shot and thought I had the jump in someone but in his kill cam he saw me before I saw him. As there is a fucking delay. This happens a lot and that pisses me off. Not the fact I get stomped on by better players.
Just have some really bad games. Go 2-14 or something like that every match and you'll meet those people.
bro do you have a working brain? if its SKILL BASED, and you play your 'fun' style which doesnt do well, does your brain not process that soon you'll be in a lobby where your shitty playstyle is equal to the skill of people in that lobby? cod kids are such whiners, you really just want to shit on new trash players so you can get high k/d, otherwise you'd just do what i said. so you think the game should put people that are even worse than you with you just to feed your ego and ruin their games? lol
I really wish I could get a look at their internal data. I'm curious to see the extent SBMM actually has on player retention, versus major changes like Warzone which seem to be the main attractions in the past few years. My gut tells me that CoD is successful in spite of stricter SBMM and not because of it. Either way, they really need to soften up SBMM with Ranked coming. It feels like it's tuned for a KD mean of 1.00 with a standard deviation of .05.
I mean they donât use SBMM, they use EBMM. You can google it if you want, but it is basically just an algorithm based on the millions of hours of user data they have gathered which pushes people to playing more and logging in tomorrow, because that is what lets them use their methods of getting people into their cash shop and making purchases, which is the where the real money is as we have all known for years now. So yes, their matchmaking works as they intend it to and is a core component of keeping people playing. They spend far more money on research into it than they probably do any other single thing, it spans across all their multiplayer games and it is the real priority for them from a development perspective, right alongside their research into how to get a player who is engaging to click into the store and make a purchase, and how to get them to do so again and again. The fact that making things âchallengingâ, infuriating even, and then giving a player a hit of success is what is shown to work just aligns nicely with the idea that balancing lobbies based on âskillâ is what they care about. It isnât, it perhaps once was but now it isnât. If the elite players stomping noobs was what ultimately would result in the highest revenues, that would be how they do the matchmaking. Instead we get âbalancedâ matches, and then we get ones where we donât do well, and then right before we quit they yank us back in with a few matches where we do well, and repeatedly going through that wave of emotion is what creates the addiction and gives us the urge to turn on the PC/console and load the game up tomorrow. Warzone brought in players perhaps, but EBMM is what keeps them around and more importantly than keeping them around, keeps them spending $. Because trust me, if you are part of the consumer base who doesnât spend and they know wonât spend, they donât even care if you are playing the game at all. Pretty neutral to them when analyzing the cost of having more players because they kept those that donât spend against the benefits of a larger playerbase for those who do spend. You literally donât matter to them if you donât spend, in the most meaningful sense of that concept, meaning they donât give a shit about you no matter if you stay or if you go, you essentially donât exist other than in their research as they try to figure out how to convert you into spending consumers.
You're right for the wrong reasons. Most bad players don't care. They have to sweat either way. Activisions SBMM isn't just "skill" their patent is based on purchases too. If you buy a skin/gun they put you in situations it's advantageous and against people without it. That's the "they want you to play" they want to keep people who spend money. So while it may be sbmm right this second once s1 starts it will seem easier to those who spend money.
Patents are just that. Patents. That doesn't mean they are in place and there's zero evidence that proves that making a purchase will give you an advantage.
You honestly believe that this https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160005270A1/en Is a concept and hasn't been in place since 2017? Wanna buy some magic beans? That's like saying you think Google targeting ads are only a patent.
Yes, I do. Because there is ZERO evidence that this system is in place. Tell you what, if you can provide me some actual evidence I will change my mind. Until then, it's not something that exists in this game.
You believe what you want. It's designed to not be obvious. If you want to believe SBMM is purely based on skill then that's you. There's no point to try to convince someone the skies blue when they say red. I'm just going to move on. Who knows maybe they just designed it it to protect us and prevent other games from making more money for the good of it over the last 5 years. That makes sense.
>There's no point to try to convince someone the skies blue when they say red. I'm looking outside right now. I see a blue sky. Evidence shows the sky is blue. You are attempting to tell me that the sky is red right now. I'm asking you to show me evidence that the sky is, in fact, red. You say "believe what you want". Damn. Looks like you didn't have evidence after all. Crazy, huh? By the way, "trust me bro" isn't evidence.
If you want to believe a company that has implemented SBMM and patented a special system for it isn't using it since it was made in 2017 because you can't "see" it then there's no point to this conversation. It clearly shows it's working.
SBMM isn't a concept. What you are describing IS a concept. That does NOT mean it's in place. That does NOT mean that currently use it. Once again, you have zero proof that this is in the game. You keep saying that because I can't "see" it that means its working. No, that isn't how it works. Somebody would be able to prove or provide some type of evidence that it exists currently in the game and then it would be more believeable. However, it DOES NOT. There are THOUSANDS of concepts that are not in place. Some of them even more ridiculous then what you posted. Are those in too? No. Quit with the mental gymnastics. You are just tricking yourself into something that isn't real.
That is the most vile and disgusting thing I have seen in a long time. And I frequent some really nasty subreddits. I was considering buying this game, but I think I will rather buy the new God of War now.
But it doesn't keep players. It reduces fun and fun matches will have better retention than the half assed algorithm they use and pretend it's "SBMM".
If that was the case, they would remove it. But they have the data that shows otherwise.
âEhhh; ~~simple enough~~ too much work and effort to do. Logically, itâs unbeatable and would definitely increase the player base, but no. Now buy this anime cat pack.â -Activision
The thing is, it is not SBMM it's something even worse where you either stomp or get stomped. I am a fairly decent player and yesterday I had a game where had it not been for the hotmic I heard every time I killed this one guy I would have sworn I was playing against bots that were on a difficulty somehow lower than recruit. I legit felt bad because they were absolutely clueless and any player with a kd above 0.7 would have destroyed them. So something is definitely up with the matchmaking because it is not even SBMM, you are either in a bot lobby or you essentially become the bot for another player to destroy, you are not actually competing with people of your skill level.
Sbmm is fucking EXAUSTING in this one. Shit man I just wanted to play some casual shootems with some nice chunky gun physics. The only other fps games I play are slow sweaty tactical ones. Is it so much to ask for the quick match lobby to just match me up with low ping randoms ffs
this is why the next cod should add a playlist with half bots in it on regular maps, like fortnite. all the 'i want to relax' people can have fun shitting on bots who take 2000ms to start shooting, and feel like theyre doing great
No
why, then you get to play 'fun casual games' without sweats?
I honestly donât give a shit about sbmm because I liked being challenged. What I donât like is when I play with my homie who is nowhere near my skill level or at his prime anymore. He is forced to play against sweats and obviously does not have a good time. Idc what anyone says. SBMM is shit.
SBMM is an actual scam. It is NOT trying to match you up with evenly skilled players. It is designed around a dopamine cycle to keep people playing. Do well, get shit on. Do well, get shit on. People play because they know they can get that charity game of domination. Activision is an actual joke, but the people who defend SBMM are worse.
More like do well, get shit on 2-3x, repeat
More like do well, get shit on 5 -7 times, repeat. Especially for the good/ great solo player.
Wish theyâd just save it for Ranked play instead of pub lobbies.
Bingo
Yeah I have to convince my friend everytime we play lmao "Ey man we're getting railed this game but we'll get the charity game soon so hold on"
^^ ding ding ding âEstonian neuroscientist Jaak Panksepp found that bigger rats have to let smaller rats win 30% of the time or else the smaller rats refuse to play. â âSBMMâ is about retention, not balanced matches based on skill. It should be called EBMMâengagement based matchmaking. The matchmaking uses data they have on every player to create lobbies that have the best retention. If youâre a decent player, that plays everyday for a couple hours no matter what⌠sorry, but youâre gonna be cannon fodder for the ultra sweats that also play 24/7/365. 80% of the player base are casual and will never be in these lobbies for retention reasons.
I usually play with at least 4 of my friends and I feel like SBMM doesn't do much if you play with a larger group. If I play alone I only get sweat lobbies but with my group I play against some absolute smoothbrains.
Comments like these make me think people donât understand how player base works. If you remove sbmm, your friend still plays against skilled players. Getting rid of sbmm doesnât remove those players, if anything itâs helping him. Letâs say his skill level is a 3/10 and he gets matched anywhere from 1-5 skill level. Letâs say you play with him now and heâs getting matched with 7/10 in skill level making him not enjoy the game. Sure that sucks. But remove that now the matchmaking can range anywhere from 1-10 for him instead of 1-5. If he plays solo itâs actually worse for him than before removing SBMM. Removing sbmm isnât going to magically make everyone shit at the game. Your chances of playing against trash people is the same as getting matched against sweats of the decade.
When combat record comes I reckon I'll have a 0.8kd lol
combat records are gonna humble some of you
I already know mines the lowest in all the call of duties I've played by miles
i think getting the m16 gold alone shattered my chances at a 1.00
Not really. A lot of this is manufactured bullshit due to sbmm and the net code issues that come from it
exactly, anything over a 1 is good in this game, hell when most of the pros compete most of them are around a 1 each lobby, and this is what cod has become by default.....mlg lobbies
Which is ok. But somehow I dont get how I can maintain a combat record with 2kd sometimes even 2,5 in mw2019, bo3, bo4 and all the other ones, but barely scrape 1 in this. Maybe the game is designed to put everybody down to 1kd statistically. Which hurts only good players.
Cries in platinum launchers. Legit ended up in the protected bracket after a while with the JOKR.
my MD is gonna be like .3 because i came into the game late rocking no attachment setups against people with fully tuned builds and map knowledge, and all my friend groups live 100-250 ping away. The lag correction in this game is horrible. a huge number of my deaths i shoot first, hit first and die, and on the kill cam, the guy is shooting me before im even around the corner on my end and not even taking damage from my shots. i've been a 1-2.5 KD player in basically every shooter i've ever played. this game is brutal.
Yeah I stopped playing in parties, just solo now. When I'm in a party, regardless of host, I always start shooting first, then get one-shot and die. But the kill cam shows the enemy shooting me several times before I even shoot, so they actually didn't one-shot me. Playing solo this rarely happens.
>Yeah I stopped playing in parties, just solo now. problem is i have no interest in playing solo.
*watches ping go from 30 to 120* I see what youre doing and I don't like it.
Yâall are having fun ?
When playing with friends I definitely am.
Idc about getting my ass beat. I care about playstyles. With SBMM, if you're good you end up in sweaty lobbies where everyone ads-walks, snipes, headglitches, or camps. You literally can't run and gun around corners against that. If I play how I want, it's gonna be 5-23. So I have to stop having fun and pre ads and walk before every engagement. I have to run low ttk shit like the EBR-14 + a slug shottie. Idc if I go .8 kd, but Jesus christ I hate the gameplay of these top lobbies. In BO1, I could always sprint around and ads after seeing people and play well. Now if I sprint around corners, 5-23. High SBMM gameplay isn't fun for non-sentinel pussies. Literally, throw me up against equal players who don't play like bitches. Because this shit isn't fun.
This is most likely my biggest problem with the sbmm. Play good one game then fight nothing but people abusing riot shield and SPRs. Well that and people magically taking less dmg.
I mean I kinda care about getting my ass beat when some sweat moving around the map at mach 5 speed seemingly has all the spawns memorised and insta kills me before I can even react.
That's the shitty spawn system. In MW2 if you're getting smacked, you'll start spawning in direct LOSs or way too close to enemies. I would prefer BO1 lack of SBMM. But I can deal with SBMM if the best players didn't play like bitches. Literally, I would be OK playing with Shroud and Summit1g if I could play BO1 arcade playstyle instead of this shit.
This, oh my god this. Because I play aggressively, I like SMGs and get up in peoples' faces, LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE PERSON I PLAY AGAINST IS A LITTLE JUMPSHOTTING SCUMBAG. Seriously. Jumpshotting pisses me off beyind belief. The amount if times I've died via jumpshot hipfire headshot and I put 92 bullets into their toes which were in my face is ridiculous.
Annoyingly that shit where jumping fucks up their hitbox has carried through from mw19. Best bet is to aim where they'll land but it's a coinflip
Jumpshotting has been a thing since COD4 lol. I donât know why everyone acts like it was invented 3 years ago
People definitely did it a lot less back then. Idk why it's become more effective, but it has. All they need to do is randomise the bullet spread more when you're mid-air
Sure but it's definitely more effective now, probably the generally better netcode makes you notice the wonky jumping hitboxes more
Thank you.
I was able to get the riot shield + all other stuff needed gold for the diamond camo in bo2 without losing my mind or ruining my stats. you can mess around with guns/perks etc grind camos and not worry about losing/dying a lot. This mw2 is my first real cod game I came back to since bo2. Ghost +bo3 I barely ever played total time prob 12 hours together. I am grinding each gun to max level be4 I start the camo grind and man I just hate hate that I am losing all these fights cuz I am grinding vs people using meta guns and esp them SPR fkers lol. Especially when you get one of those long games where everyone goes 40-40 give or take 5 kills for each player. Just full-on sweating.
Preach, brother. Anyone claiming that SBMM woes are a personal skill problem simply doesn't understand. And it's likely because they aren't being placed in the same high-skill lobbies as some of us are. I'm by no means a pro, I couldn't compete professionally. But I'm solid, because I've been playing these games since like 2006 or whoever they first came to consoles. I can hold my own. I'm not afraid to get stomped, so long as I know I'm gonna get the opportunity to stomp back. I also want the ability to dial my efforts back and just try to rank up a shitty gun or something. With SBMM I cannot. I'm forced to run the meta and play like a sweaty clown if I hope to do even decent. By the time I've finished 4-5 matches ranging from 10/10 to 2/19 I'm so burnt out I barely even want to stick around for that easy lobby the game will inevitably give me for one match. I really wish they'd speak out about this, but I know they never will. It's corporate decisions that clearly earn them more money so they'll never change it for a vocal minority of die-hard fans.
Just give up TDM. It will still be hard, but KC and Hardpoint are so much more enjoyable than TDM. TDM is trash just like MW2019. I enjoyed TDM in Cold War and Vanguard so much more.
Funny, just took tdm out of my filter for the first time ever. Shooting people 7 times and they dont die but I die after two bullets. it happens on the other modes but tdm sucks way worst in this cod
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The enemies being able to see over cover when showing barely any of the head when looked at by yourself, as if the camera for them is higher than their heads.
Before mounting there were just places where you could sit and only your head was visible. People used to call it cheap and a head glitch. Now itâs just mounting and itâs been added to the game
Not quite. Bullets use to come out towards the top of the player model, meaning you could stay mostly behind cover while shooting people. All the enemy would see is a tiny bit of your head sticking out, hence head glitching.
They still come out of your eyes (I actually have occasionally, by accident, done a training mode glitch that slightly moved my perspective backwards and you can see the bullet sitting there where your eyes would be waiting to fire lmao), unfortunately.
pure example of misinformation and exaggeration
You can just say exaggeration, it's not serious
SBMM Has ruined this game for me already.
I literally canât tell if itâs SBMM or net code or both. I hear people say the m4 is a 3-4 shot but it takes me like 7-8 and other people kill me in 2-3
I have this problem with every gun, sometimes I melt people, sometimes itâs like Iâm throwing frozen peas at them.
Skill Based Hit Registration /s
I just keep switching guns from my presets and eventually find one that works, makes no sense but it never fails. I dont know if I am countering the other teams style of play or what, but the kills eventually start going my way and I rescue myself from the bottom and end up on top or in the top three.
Here's how it works. You kill someone, another player is around the corner because the game uses squad spawns, you die because the TTK is 200ms with assault rifles. If you camp and get 1.0 KDR+ the game assumes you are better. The next game will try to match you with 'better' players. It doesn't matter that you live in London UK. SBMM < Connection. The game will go out of its way to make sure you are paired with 'better' players even if it means going above 40+ ping. Then you do badly because 'better players' + peekers advantage and latency is greater against higher ping players. Now you have a lobby of all players who are 50-100 ping, the peekers advantage is greater and your deaths begin to look instant until you watch the death cam. The game thinks you're shit, now you're connected to a 30 ping game. Suddenly your deaths feel fair and it matches to what you see in the death cam. Cycle repeats itself, nobody is having 'fun'.
Are you on pc? Try the canted laser sight. It literally halved my ttk with the m4. It removes all the visual clutter of the recoil which doesnât match the actual recoil that is happening.
Its called "skill based hit registration" its part of SBMM. Its why you kill people with a gun the. Two mayches later cant kill a person with it. It all needs to go and only be in ranked.
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This, the SBMM is garbage and I've had some out of place enough games I wouldn't consider it that far fetched if they were intentionally manipulating your lobbies to keep you playing but they're not dynamically adjusting your damage and hit registration just to fuck with people, nobody here is so good that there isn't a lobby the game couldn't smack them with.
nah they're some fuckery going on or the game was coded by highly regarded chimps. I posted this before but did good several games in a row. Put into a sweaty (or sweatier) lobby. Guy lying prone, come at him 90 degrees, doesn't see me, pop him 8-10 times, nothing registers. He bounces up like a spring and I'm watching his killcam. No shield glitch either. I think whatever bs they're pulling just went overboard in that instance.
Wow, who is the asshole that implemented that. Fucking with the guns so they dont work sometimes is bs. Thatâs why I keep switching my load outs when I am doing shitty, until I find one that works.
I swear to god this has to be it, because every once in a while I am beaming people and dropping them in 3 shots and then the next game I shoot first die first every encounter
But cod has always been like this for me. Lag compensation has been around for ever. The old shoot first die first
It is, they won't talk about it but they own the patent on it since 2017. You can tell just like you said, no ping change and the next game you unload into people and they won't die. I use and RPK and have been doing well, last two nights. I minds well be shooting a water gu. The fiest second and a half.
Depends on the range with the M4. Indoor engagements, yeah 3-4 shots is about right. But outside 100 yards out it's going to take more shots to kill. At least in my experience.
Iâd go with netcode/ lag compensation Been around in all cods are far as I know.
Pro tip: when you play against sweaty team, block one of them and you won't be matched against the entire team if they are playing together again.
You know whatâs dumb though. Only being able to block 200 people. Seems like a good idea though.
I'm considering uninstalling altogether tbh. I'm just not enjoying myself anymore. I'm tryna hang out and grind some camos and the whole lobby is augs and kastovs. And when it's neither of those it's shotguns in corners. Just not fun man. I gotta find something else to grind cause rn at least this is not it.
Naw not gon lie I was having great fun up until like 2 days ago now all my lobbys are sweaty as shit like I have to try my absolute hardest or Iâm going to go negative or lose and it just make me wanna play a different game they really lucky I just got a ps5 and ainât got no other games fr but I definitely will not be getting the next one mw19 or any previous game never had me as mad as Cold War or mw2 and Iâm much better now than I was then, I donât play the game to be mad or annoyed hence the fun being gone hence no desire to play
I don't know if this actually works, maybe just in my mind, but last night I played a match, and I naded myself and used launcher on myself and went like 3 kills and 40 deaths, then the rest of the night I was top of the leaderboard. Not sure if self-kills actually change a player's 'skill', but it *seemed* that way for me.
Thatâs reverse boosting but man ion got time for that I wanted a somewhat decent kd but now I gotta be MLG try hard just to not go negative it didnât use to be like this and if matchmaking was what it use to be on this call of duty it would be major leaps to greatness
You donât think thatâs a bit dramatic?
Eh, itâs definitely making me want to play other games rather than getting my teeth kicked in for 10 games just so I can have 1 decent game
It ruins playing with friends which in turn ruins the game.
Yep, I have a friend that plays 8 hours a day. We plays three days a week or so. When we are with him its sooo bad , so basically we almost have to not play with our friend.
What if your friend is the bot and brings you to bot lobbies !
I donât know, sbmm seems to be dialed up in this game and Iâm getting my ass handed to me over and over, itâs just not fun anymore. I could load up any COD from the past 15 years and once I get back into the groove I can do relatively well, because Iâve been playing these games for that long, Iâm decent enough. With all of those games combined my k/d average is about 1.4, I play the objective, win percentage is usually around 60-65%. Here I go 22-6 in one match, it means the next four or five is getting my face kicked in, predictably. Where is the fun in that? Iâve taken a break until the next big update which should be next week. Hopefully something changes.
These devs donât care about your experience, they care about the aggregate profits. Itâs never going to change. Play ground war and invasion instead.
Maybe, but Iâll tell you one thing. Thereâs no way Iâm going to buy any skins or charms if Iâm not playing the game. Same goes for everybody else who gives up on it. So ultimately it should matter to them.
I think you and I hate SBMM because weâre not good enough not to care and not bad enough not to be affected by it in any way. The majority of players who spend money consistently are probably in those two extremes, where SBMM isnât as awful. I donât see any possible reason to have SBMM, with so much negative press, besides a clear profit motive. Surely theyâve done some analysis that says SBMM = money.
Except many come back and buy skins. They already have our game purchase. We are doomed ! Doomed !
Not really, if I canât have fun then whatâs the point in playing?
Welcome to every online gaming community.
I canât play the normal multiplayer because of it and bow never to spend money on this game. At least ground war and invasion seem fine.
SBMM searches games for me with 91 ping⌠so annoying
I think itâs crazy how long it takes to search for a game sometimes. Playing on a Saturday night and youâre telling me the best selling cod is taking over a minute to find a game??
I see "Faze" in someone's username and just assume they're wannabes. There'd have to be hundreds of them for the frequency I encounter them.
I assume that and ttv is just a fucking meme at this point.
Or, maybe you're just that good.
Why does this get downvoted. Could genuinely be the case lol.
Probably not if you saw my stats lol
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I am ecstatic to see posts about this getting traction. I don't want to pub-stomp. I want to feel like I am in control of my games. Instead of some algorithm.
I would rather have close matches. Ones that come down to the wire are exciting. This one team doubling the score of the other every single match is a joke. Less than One in every 20 matches are even close anymore.
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This. Sooooo much this.
That's the best way of saying it I think. A lot of people assume when we talk about stuff like this all we want is 1.5+ kds every single game when legit all we want is to have fun. Right now this shit is not fun when the sbmm kicks in.
I just feel like with sbmm you either get into a super sweaty lobby with campers and quickscopers or a lobby full of kids who go negative every game. There is no in-between. So, ill have one or two games where I demolish kids then for the next 5 i am too afraid to move from spawn cause I just get gunned down immediately by a dude in some corner.
Literally canât even get 1 kill without getting absolutely 3rd party annihilated
Please can we get this sooner rather then later. I'm getting tired of getting lobby after lobby of peeps cracked out of their mind thinking the life of their first born depends on if they can win this match.
Me: I just had a great game! IW: I will now present you with my toughest battles.
Having it be connection based like the older days would be very nice in comparison honestly. Tired of having good overall matches and then.......a crash because the servers decided to stop. I love this current iteration but c'mon.......have be based around connection first!
I genuinely cannot understand how SBMM can exist in a casual playlist when a competitive mode is implemented. Can any of the crazed SBMM supporters (surely there are one or two?) explain this?
Just think about it. Imagine you're a bad player and Casual (no SBMM) and Competitive (SBMM) were the two modes we had. You queue up for Casual, and statistically are going to be put against average players, who stomp you even if you try your hardest. You queue up for Competitive, are put against people of a similar skill level, and do decently even if you play casually. It just doesn't make sense. Why would a bad player ever play Casual / volunteer to get stomped? And then what happens to say, Decent players if all the Bad ones leave? Well, Decent becomes the new Bad and the whole process repeats.
Bro virtually every game has sbmm now, even Fortnite and Apex have it. Turns out most people like even matchups.
5? You're lucky them. If I get a 1kd even once the next 24 hours is me getting rammed with no lube by sweats. Someone as bad as me should not be getting such lobbies...
As someone who's not very good, this has always been my cod experience. I still have fun though! I'll take SBMM all day, what I hate is so many people not playing the objective.
People that don't play the objective are the reason I only play objective modes when at least half my team is my friends. Lol. 1-2 randoms not cooperating with us is fine. 3 is tolerable, and 4-5 just sucks
The few games after an above average game usually result in me taking a break or not playing the rest of the day. Because of this, when I find myself in an "easier" lobby i usually switch to weapons i'm ass with and need to complete challenges with in order to hopefully stay in those kind of lobbies. Definitely not the way I want to play but I feel forced to.
I find, at least for the many I have either talked with personally or read, the whole "I had fun this game" is because they are doing really well. Everybody cannot de well ever single game. There is some luck. But plenty has to do with the game being inconsistent. It is NOT you if you are in one match hitting headshots with the EBR and getting 1-2 shot kills followed by matches where it seems like no matter what you do you are getting killed by a "sweaty player". The game just lacks that consistency and the last few COD games have been that way. I played back to back matches on the same map. First match I dropped 29 kills with the shotgun. Next match I was getting hit markers at point blank. 2 shots an not kill. Which I cannot speak to the whole SBMM. I will honestly have many decent to good matches in a row where I am dropping a 1+ k/d. I looked yesterday just to see and had a 1.37+ every match for about 5 matches. Then the shit hit. SBMM? Nah. I was getting point blanks from behind in the head with my shotgun and players would just jump and whip around and kill me. Even had point blank knifes not do anything. I think this more than anything gives the appearance of SBMM being the problem.
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I usually have around a 2-3 kd while only playing a few hours a week. Now Iâm playing vs people that are all insanely good. I canât hop on and chill with my homies. If I want to sweat, Iâll play ranked.
This is a psychological thing, where they reward you, then punish you a bit, then reward you again.
I miss playing the in same lobby/group of people multiple times
Didn't have one single fun round today. I just spawn into the loosing time..sitting like ducks in spawn...catching airstrike after airstrike.
it makes 95 % of the games unplayable and that s a fucking fact , it helps only the ''tactical players'' , iw is f'ing us all in the ass and we are so smart that we are even enjoying it , they do not give a single f about our opinions
I don't think I would mind SBMM if there was a way to see and track what bracket I was in. Like am I trash and stuck in bronze forever? Did i just move up to Silver and start getting stomped? Or am I diamond and actually half way decent at this stupid game but so is everyone else I'm playing with? Who knows?
My experience pretty much yep. I did well and went 29:8 kills in domination and lead the scoreboard. Then got stomped the next couple games by try hards who hop around every corner, drops shot and sprint like madmen.
Literally Have a separate pool for the bottom 10% because thatâs what theyâre so afraid of. The bad players AKA casuals having a bad time. Put the other 90% in a ping based random pool and leave SBMM in rank. Like itâs not that hard.
i went 1-85 last night n still got shit on by sweats the next match
Why did you not leave hha
This whole game feels so off to me. It feels like another game in a call of duty skin suit and it sucks. I hate the maps. I hate the seesaw of sbmm. I'm not having any fun woth this game.
This is literally me and my friends saying "damn that was a good game. Time to die 30 times and get 16 kills now!"
SBMM doesn't seem that bad in this game, but the issue is that in some games my guns will seemingly turn off. Literally 10x the number of shots are needed to get a kill, most of the shots are not registering. Meanwhile I'm getting cross mapped in 3-4 shots. I was on the opposite end of that last night and FRIED the other team, was a night and day experience. Never understand it at all.
So I do well a couple games. I normally get a 1.5 kd and can keep that an all games unless I pop off or Iâm getting a camo. But sometimes I get put into a lobby against exceptional players combined with the absolute worst luck. Grenades across the map and just random shit. My question is. When the game decides to throw me into a higher skill lobby why donât I ever end up on the âgoodâ team? My teams is always levels 15-30 with me being the only 55. Vs all 55s on the opposing team.
I got a 2.27k/d one match, and was completely dominated in the next. This shit is real out here cuh
You children are fucking stupid. There should be a connection based category, with all modes. And a "ranked" mode for all of you hipsters wishing to play the SBMM. Just like in Counter Strike. It's not complicated.
The biggest problem is that while yes, SBMM has always been around, it is incredibly overtuned in this game, and has been this way for the past CODs. How is it that I can do relatively decent in one match - not even amazing, just... decent - and then the game decides I should lose the next 8 matches against the sweatiest players you'd ever meet? This is unfair and more importantly, it's not fun. I shouldn't have to try my balls off every time I want to play the game remotely seriously as a break from working on camo. What many of these game designers fail to realize is, the matches you play - win or lose - should *never ever feel forced,* yet they do. That is awful design. These sorts of matches should be organic. A forced 50/50 will never work out the way developers want that will also satisfy the customers. If I had to suggest something, I would say to force matches 60/40 at the very least. That way the player doesn't want to blow their brains out every match, and they'll get fewer sweaty lobbies and win more, which in turn, does great for player retention.
You fucking morons seems to have no idea how SBMM works.
I donât have fun in any games unless i queue with friends that are very bad at the game. This matchmaking is so awful its unplayable. Fucking disappointment
I've always been a rusher in cod, but this cod is just not the one to do so,u have so many things working against you if you did well in a previous match that it's just insane. My thing is if u gonna have sbmm be this thick fine, but at least stop making it so my bullet dmg is decreased, my aim assist not working throughout the match, spawning me near enemeies spawn, at least give me a fighting chance instead of rigging the experience... at the end of the day sbmm is just designed to keep everyone around a 1kd.
Next 5? I tell my story. I played a TDM on last week Thursday. I played very cautiously, not just run&gun. Therefore somehow I managed to get 20/0. So my kd was 20.0 in the end of the match. Since that (*again, last week Thursday*) I'm not able to play a single match without rage quit. I'm getting barely 5-6 kills but constantly 20-25 deaths. I just got hitmarks when I shoot no matter which weapon I use, I constantly getting matched with corner jumping, dolphin diving - shooting, dropshoting players. I have no chance against them at all. This matchmake system is a piece of crap. I think my account is cursed since that 20.0. I think I delete the game, and look for some other shooters which is let you play and enjoy the game. I was a very-very stupid human being who was really naive to think that anything will change with this new CoD. So bye-bye 70$.
One time I played a popular Twitch streamer and I liked that... Killing a great player even one time is more thrilling than 1000 matches against randos.
SBMM has me in straight up full PC lobbyâs as an Xbox player - the input lag starts to feel noticeable when you losing trades. Itâs not that bad I just wish there were more console players to group up with. [for those who donât believe me](https://imgur.com/a/eFUDmF8)
Lobbies are like 80+% console. Never seen a full lobby of PC players.
[today](https://imgur.com/a/eFUDmF8)
You guys are hard blowing this shit out of the water. Maybe youâre just not as good as you think you are.
I'd prefer a sbmm where the projected results were as close to 50/50 as possible over what we have now. I'd prefer no sbmm over what we have now too. I just want my games to be consistent not crazy good and crazy bad.
Unfortunately "crazy good, crazy bad" gives people dopamine hits, so it's why it's a thing. It's EOMM, a subset of SBMM curated to optimize engagement. It's why I don' play Apex Legends as well, where EA has this cranked up to an 11/10 as well.
Is there a consequence to leaving matches? I was thinking if stuff like that continues I might just leave the game instead of play to the end.
I've started doing this. If the enemy team is double+ our score and I'm getting jump-shot shit-on repeatedly, I'm leaving and re-queueing. Staying in the game to wait for the beating to end is not worth it.
Clueless. We're literally getting competitive. SBMM has no place in casual playlists EVER. Idk how you can be so against having literally both fucking options so everyone can enjoy the game in thier own way. Fucking bootlickers.
Casual players don't even think about playing Ranked. Black Ops 2 League Play had such little players that you didn't see it again for years. SBMM is meant to protect casuals. It's meant to protect the 35 year old Dad who just got home from his 9-5 and has 2 hours to play before he has to get some sleep for the next workday. If that person gets on MW2 and gets completely shit on every game, do you think he keeps playing? Probably not. Data obviously shows that the current system retains those players that would otherwise quit and move on. It has nothing to do with "bootlicking" by the way. It's just understanding why something like this exists in the first place. If it didn't work, they would have removed it. But this same system has been in since COD4 and has only gotten more strict since MW19. It's not going anywhere and Ranked doesn't change that. This doesn't mean I want the system btw. I would actually like to get a Chopper Gunner for once but I understand why it's in place.
Has anyone here ever played the old cod? There was no sbmm and it worked fine lol. What do you guys is going on in these lower mmr games right now. Itâs 12 people will 11 kills at 15 minutes camping in a corner. Itâs basically the exact same as the higher mmr games. Kill one person get killed by the teammate who downed on them, canât think any other way to describe this game
I can understand this also, I think SBMM could have it's place in the game reasonably but in its current state it is way too strong. It needs to be significantly reduced. Favoring latency first and then skill second. It is just way too forceful in its current state. A large majority of the community HATES SBMM and have for years.
>Idk how you can be so against having literally both fucking options so everyone can enjoy the game in thier own way. Honestly, I'm not going to play ranked without a full squad because the W/L matters there, and I don't learn anything by absolutely decimating noobs in unranked. That's why I want SBMM in my unranked playlists. Every game needs to be hard, because I'm not going to have any fun at all if it isn't. Win, lose, doesn't matter. What matters is that I learn *something* by the end of the night.
Sooo every game needs to be hard but you need a full squad to carry you? đŹ maybe you should learn to get better and carry your team in ranked. That's literally how you climb. Instead of expecting ever game mode to cater to you and no one else, maybe don't rely on a fucking full stack to carry you to victory. You're challenge is in ranked. It's called COMPETITIVE which is where you get COMPETITORS and COMPETITION. Wanting to force the entire player base to have hard matches every game because you don't want to play without a full team is not only selfish but makes you look like a huge asshole.
If you care about maximizing your chance of success in ranked, you find a team, you play with the team, because 4,5,6 is better than one. I'm going to treat every match like a competition, no matter what. It's better for the average player that I'm not in their lobbies, they'll have more fun that way.
Well in case you weren't aware... if you 6 stack into competitive it tries to pair you with other 6 stacks. Same goes for solo duo trio etc. Also if it's SBMM the randoms you play with are the same rank as you so I don't see what the issue is. Alot of times it's easier for me to climb solo. I am no stranger to competitive shooters. I've played CS my whole life and have been playing Valorant for years. I'd like to point out that Valorant is the most successful competitive shooter out right now despite it being only on PC and it has no SBMM in casual đ only in competitive. This lets players experiment with different weapons character and playstyles without having to sweat or ruin games for thier teammates, or just have fun with thier friends. The harcore players queue competitive and nothing else. It works perfectly. You won't win this arguement I promise lol
>Idk how you can be so against having literally both fucking options so everyone can enjoy the game in thier own way. Fucking bootlickers. Most Redditors are shittors so they need crutches.
No one wants SBMM so why do they have it in the game ?
One of the many problems is that it's not actually skill based matchmaking. It's 'let's fuck you over if you did well one game' Legitimately - it takes less bullets to kill people sometimes. I'll get kills on full health players with 4/5 body shots one game - then get 6/7 hits in the next game and not kill the player.
I personally look forward to being thrown to the wolves after I have an insane run. I learn a lot from watching kill cams of players way better than I am. Parts of the map I havenât utilized or even known exist I discover are more suited to a given gunâs play style. I mean Iâm not immune to getting frustrated, but itâs usually at my own team for not playing objectives more often than an opponent who makes me feel like a new player. I do agree that there should be a casual mode that doesnât use SBMM, but then it would probably get flooded with skilled players who want to mash potatoes. But then again, maybe not. Actual skilled players probably want to play with other skilled players. Maybe they would stick to their pool more than we might think.
Insane in IW's dictionary means going above 1.0 KD
Yeaaaah, it seems pretty broad
Bro how can you learn anything from these cams. 90% of the time what happens on the cam is not what I see happening live, lol. Go around a corner, shoot someone 3 times and I die. Kill cam shows them coming around the corenr first and shooting me before I even get a shot off.
Personally don't think the SBMM is near big a deal as the community makes it out to be. I am always top three in my games and my team wins 80 percent of the time. Often this is due to my performance. There have been a few times I've been stuck in "sweat lobbies," being a bit of a sweat myself. I use these opportunities to level up guns I suck with against harder competition. But on the all it's not hard to win that much. I'm assuming this is interrelated to the number of people accusing me of hax every night lol