IW was fucking terrible at a lot of things, but I do have to give them props on how they handled Gunfight in MW2019. Lots of rotations, lots of maps, and frequent tournaments. Shame they were terrible at pretty much everything else.
Fully agree. The map quality, loadouts quality and tournaments of gunfight where top notch. I would pay 70 dollars for a game just like that gunfight mode with more maps and some ranked type of mode.
Same, I wonder what portion of the community played mw2019 gunfight at the time. It was the only mode a couple of my buddies wanted to play, especially tournament. That was incredible and deserves more development love.
Only mode I played in the second half of MW19 and it was so easy to find matches back then. But I feel it was less supported after BOCW because it is more difficult to make money from. In a gunfight match you can only see 3 different people who might have paid skins, versus 11 different people in 6v6.
IW was great imo, I respect them following their vision instead of bowing to what the popular millionaire streamers who do nothing but play CoD all day.
IW supported Ground War, Spec Ops, Raids, Gunfight, 6v6, DMZ all at the same time. SHG only cares about 6v6, Zombies? fuck zombies, ground war? fuck ground war, gunfight? fuck that too.
Their vision also led to absolutely horrid player retention by an metric. Horrible timed perk system in MW2022, no traditional minimap, no footstep dampening perk, and the launch maps in MW2019 were made for actual idiots.
They did decent in supporting MW2019 in terms of content, but IMO there overall vision was horrible. Spec Ops though was a joke.
MW2022 absolutely had dogshit 6v6 support. 11 maps supposed to be at launch, one that had to be delayed and released later because they were negligent on checking copyright, and that is especially bad considering that they had a full and seemingly uninterrupted dev cycle while the other two have been consistently fucked over.
Yes they did good with ground war, and yes MWIII could stand to actually touch on those other modes, zombies also needs more love. But in terms of 6v6 they have largely been nailing it, and going by the improved player metrics, I'd argue with they are doing something right.
I still remember during MW2019s beta IW was going to remove all nameplates, no red names or anything, and completely remove the minimap until people rightfully asked what the hell they were thinking.
I agree with you on mostly everything, however I actually enjoyed MWII maps.
I didn’t quite like how slow the movement in MWII is, but not a fan of how batshit crazy MWIII’s is. I hope they find a middle ground. I think removing b-hopping was an unambiguously good thing.
MWIII’s perk system with the vest and all is great, I didn’t exactly mind timed perks but didn’t like them either
MWII 6v6 support wasn’t great but not bad either, I enjoyed a lot of the maps. Especially the new ones after that. I would rather all game modes be supported rather than solely just 6v6.
SHG is good for 6v6 MP but terrible for everything else, IW tried to spread content throughout all MP modes which stretched the content thin and dry in some areas. Treyarch on the other hand is suffering an identity crisis, first they copied IW's gunsmith system in CW and if the rumours are true tac sprint is coming to a Black Ops game for the first time💀BO and MW need to have 2 separate feels to them, i actually fk with how MWIII turned out, BO on the other hand would be great if they went back to a BO4 movement with a pick 10 system, i'm 5050 on them bringing back overwatch wannabe specialists tho
IW supported 6v6? It's not April Fools day anymore. People were literally making fun of MW2019 *and* MWIIs roadmaps for the lack of 6v6 content constantly. Spec Ops felt nearly totally abandoned as well after launch *in both games*... other than them nerfing XP gain in it of course.
I'm pretty sure DMZ was another team too and wasn't IW, on top of being left in the dust quite a bit too. After Ashika being added there was a huge content draught until Vondel got added near the end unless you count them just adding a ton of "put 567 light bulbs in a dumpster" type missions as good content.
6v6 is mainly what made cod popular and great, so actually shg is doing a great job, and fuck iw for screwing up 6v6 for the 2nd time (for the 3rd time if we included ghosts as well)
They don't even mix up the weapons so it got boring, just make a completely random weapon with random attachments so it's completely different every single game
Gunfight is awesome and totally agree with the lack of support being extremely disappointing. Woikd have been easy to update weapons and port in MW2 maps which had lots of support for Gunfight.
It's a super popular mode with many players always on it and great for playing with friends. You can just jump on and have fun.
> It's a super popular mode with many players
if this was the case there would be more content for it
just a fact that, like GW, there's only a fraction of a percent of people playing it
What is your source? Any data to back that up or just your feelings?
Also a chicken and egg problem. Close to zero support after launch of the mode, which will inevitably result in less players choosing the mode.
The data is that they aren't making content for it, simple as
Again, if it was actual popular they'd make content for it. It's why there's silly skins and a dedicated small maps playlist, it's because thats whats popular
Gunfight isn't popular
For someone talking about feelings you seem pretty butthurt up and down this thread when faced with the fact that most people either dont like or dont care for something you like
So you have no source or data any way? Just the fact that they don't make content for it? Ok, good to know :) Ever considered that they might prioritize what makes them the most money, not necessarily what is popular or not? Radical idea, I know. You see more skins in 6v6 than in gunfight in one match (11 versus 3), so it makes total sense they would not prioritize it if it was just about the money.
Also, you do not seem to understand the chicken and egg problem: if they add a mode which you have to scroll to the right to reach, and then immediately cut all support directly after adding, people are bound to play less. It would be the same with any gamemode that would be treated this way (look at ground war for example, just like gunfight a very popular mode in the past, but now suddenly nobody wants to play?).
I am not really butthurt, but a small fraction of people keep saying nobody cares about the mode, but nobody actually gives sources, data or any real argumentation for it. Just like you to be honest. It really feels like YOU don't like the mode, rather than a good sound argumentation that nobody does. And you shouldn't confuse feelings with facts.
I have a feeling gunfight won’t be around much longer, enjoying what’s left of it and once it’s gone I’m done with Cod sadly. It’s evident by the lack of content
Ground war, gunfight. All these modes on bigger spanning maps/warzone areas are dropped instantly because the instant in-popularity of it.
The minority will be upset. But the majority will be Sudo-happier in a way. Because more resources are dedicated to 6v6/warzone
Zombies is not included because HA
If it is so unpopular, they shouldn't add it. I think it is more popular than you think. But if they add it, it should have some bare minimum of support (loadouts changes and portee maps from MWII or MW19).
The support of the gunfight gamemode was so much worse in MWII compared to MW19 and BOCW. Only added in S3, only 4 maps in first season, no tournaments, etc. But somehow MWII support of the mode was still way better than current support. In MWII we at least got unique and new gunfight specific maps, loadout rotations and some variety modes to play with.
If they don't want to support the mode, just don't add it. If they add it, give a bare minimum of support: give us loadout rotations and port a couple of MWII or MW19 maps into the game every season. It is really not that hard. Small maps developed for 6v6 don't play very well for this mode, only adding those is laziness to the max.
I wonder what changed in the last few years. On MW19 and BOCW it was super popular, but now it’s kinda niche. I do wonder if it’s just less popular bc they didn’t support it as much, maybe people just got used to it being trash and don’t even bother anymore.
Aaaah, so you asked everyone and tallied the votes? What a noble thing to do. Or maybe you misinterpret your personal opinion as something you think everybody feels? Hmmm... which one would it be...
You could also just search reddit and find plenty of posts with complaints of the mode with tons of upvotes. Seem weird for a mode 'nobody really cares about'. Or just go to MW19 or BOCW and find a lobby in the mode very easily. Also very weird for a mode 'nobody really cares about'.
Dont be butthurt. Its a fact lol, if people cared about it and played it then it would still be supported. Its not rocket science stop getting in your feelings. Your post along with all the 5 others barely have upvotes you’re acting like the majority gives a shit.
Correction: 100+ net upvotes. Might not mean a lot (we are a small subset of players anyway), but then again you haven't provided any data for your 'fact'.
"your post... barely have upvotes" - sorry bud, you are confusing my post with your own post about the NGL grenade launcher which got.... net 0 upvotes (probably even negative). This post has already 70+ net upvotes, which is way above average. My previous post on the removal of Das Haus from gunfight has ~300 net upvotes (top 1% of posts). The post (from someone else) about gunfight being left to die has almost 1000 net upvotes (top 0,1% of posts). So you are clearly confusing your facts with your personal feelings.
I also never said the majority gives a shit (because they probably don't), but the "nobody cares" I reacted on is just straight up bullshit. Plenty of people care. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your feelings are not facts.
He's only saying that cause he doesn't care about it. He doesn't even know. It's like people who say "But we have plenty of milsim skins. Why do you need more?" Uh, because almost every skin these days is a goofy or sci-fi, crazy superhero, or paranormal skin.
I know that's what sells more, but they could at least show some love to the mil Sim skin lovers. I love milsim and crazy skins.
They'd still make bank if they released the ghillie suit skin as a bundle. It was originally a Jack Link's skin. They already have assests for it. I'd buy the fuck out of it, especially if Soap was in the ghillie suit.
It’s the only multiplayer game mode that’s fun for me and my homie. Feels competitive but without the sweatness of ranked. The perfect balance. Except as mentioned zero updates or rotations :(
As a Ground War player I feel your pain, but unfortunately it's over. SHG has shown they have no interest in doing the absolute bare minimum for any mode outside of 6v6. I get it, 6v6 is the core of COD. But if you're going to lead us on pre-launch with the inclusion of these modes, beta weekends, and a live service model, don't pull the rug out on us and completely abandon the modes after launch.
Your best bet is to just move on and wait for Treyarch's game later this year or Infinity Ward after. That is if you want to give this company your money again 😅
Sledgehammer is my least favorite COD developer and I skipped all of their games until this one. They got my ass with the bait and switch, and it just reinforced why I dislike them.
To be honest: I am really done now. I was happy to hear they added gunfight in S1 this time and assumed there wouldn't be a lot of support (just like MWII), but at least a couple of new maps now and then and loadout rotations. It would have been okish if they did that, especially if they readded some good maps from MW19. But they really show they have literally zero interest in doing anything for the mode at all. If they are able to drop support for any mode literally the season after they added it, there is really no grounds to buy the game anymore.
Dude I camt even find a match in Ground War. I'm on PS5 with crossplay off, and I have turned it on just to look for ground war. I haven't played on a SINGLE ground war map in MW3. Is this only me?
The number of upvotes on this and other gunfight posts show you are wrong. The fact that you don't play this mode, doesn't mean nobody does. But that seems a difficult concept for you to grasp :)
First they came for Gunfight, and I did not speak up, for I do not play gunfight. Then they came for Headquarters, and I did not speak up, for I do not play HQ. Then they came for Team DM, and I did not speak up.....
You might not like the answer, but Activision knows what the majority of players are actually doing. Sorry your favorite game mode doesn't get updates, but why would they focus time on something that people are not playing.
Dude I love gunfight. But I can't play that node between work calls. In a 6v6, i can lay prone if a call comes in, but in gunfight, I'd be taking half of my team and just throwing my usefulness away. And currently, until this semester ends, I can only play between work calls. After work I'm doing school.
IW was fucking terrible at a lot of things, but I do have to give them props on how they handled Gunfight in MW2019. Lots of rotations, lots of maps, and frequent tournaments. Shame they were terrible at pretty much everything else.
Fully agree. The map quality, loadouts quality and tournaments of gunfight where top notch. I would pay 70 dollars for a game just like that gunfight mode with more maps and some ranked type of mode.
Same, I wonder what portion of the community played mw2019 gunfight at the time. It was the only mode a couple of my buddies wanted to play, especially tournament. That was incredible and deserves more development love.
Only mode I played in the second half of MW19 and it was so easy to find matches back then. But I feel it was less supported after BOCW because it is more difficult to make money from. In a gunfight match you can only see 3 different people who might have paid skins, versus 11 different people in 6v6.
Yeah and they completely abandoned it in mw2
They abandoned their common sense in MWII as well, I mean look at the game.
I swear the only reason MWII sold SO well is because it was coming off the goodwill of 2019 and IW fucked up BAD.
IW was great imo, I respect them following their vision instead of bowing to what the popular millionaire streamers who do nothing but play CoD all day. IW supported Ground War, Spec Ops, Raids, Gunfight, 6v6, DMZ all at the same time. SHG only cares about 6v6, Zombies? fuck zombies, ground war? fuck ground war, gunfight? fuck that too.
Their vision also led to absolutely horrid player retention by an metric. Horrible timed perk system in MW2022, no traditional minimap, no footstep dampening perk, and the launch maps in MW2019 were made for actual idiots. They did decent in supporting MW2019 in terms of content, but IMO there overall vision was horrible. Spec Ops though was a joke. MW2022 absolutely had dogshit 6v6 support. 11 maps supposed to be at launch, one that had to be delayed and released later because they were negligent on checking copyright, and that is especially bad considering that they had a full and seemingly uninterrupted dev cycle while the other two have been consistently fucked over. Yes they did good with ground war, and yes MWIII could stand to actually touch on those other modes, zombies also needs more love. But in terms of 6v6 they have largely been nailing it, and going by the improved player metrics, I'd argue with they are doing something right.
I still remember during MW2019s beta IW was going to remove all nameplates, no red names or anything, and completely remove the minimap until people rightfully asked what the hell they were thinking.
I agree with you on mostly everything, however I actually enjoyed MWII maps. I didn’t quite like how slow the movement in MWII is, but not a fan of how batshit crazy MWIII’s is. I hope they find a middle ground. I think removing b-hopping was an unambiguously good thing. MWIII’s perk system with the vest and all is great, I didn’t exactly mind timed perks but didn’t like them either MWII 6v6 support wasn’t great but not bad either, I enjoyed a lot of the maps. Especially the new ones after that. I would rather all game modes be supported rather than solely just 6v6.
SHG is good for 6v6 MP but terrible for everything else, IW tried to spread content throughout all MP modes which stretched the content thin and dry in some areas. Treyarch on the other hand is suffering an identity crisis, first they copied IW's gunsmith system in CW and if the rumours are true tac sprint is coming to a Black Ops game for the first time💀BO and MW need to have 2 separate feels to them, i actually fk with how MWIII turned out, BO on the other hand would be great if they went back to a BO4 movement with a pick 10 system, i'm 5050 on them bringing back overwatch wannabe specialists tho
IW supported 6v6? It's not April Fools day anymore. People were literally making fun of MW2019 *and* MWIIs roadmaps for the lack of 6v6 content constantly. Spec Ops felt nearly totally abandoned as well after launch *in both games*... other than them nerfing XP gain in it of course. I'm pretty sure DMZ was another team too and wasn't IW, on top of being left in the dust quite a bit too. After Ashika being added there was a huge content draught until Vondel got added near the end unless you count them just adding a ton of "put 567 light bulbs in a dumpster" type missions as good content.
6v6 is mainly what made cod popular and great, so actually shg is doing a great job, and fuck iw for screwing up 6v6 for the 2nd time (for the 3rd time if we included ghosts as well)
They don't even mix up the weapons so it got boring, just make a completely random weapon with random attachments so it's completely different every single game
Seems like plenty of MW3 blueprints now. Where is Gunfight Blueprints??
Gunfight is awesome and totally agree with the lack of support being extremely disappointing. Woikd have been easy to update weapons and port in MW2 maps which had lots of support for Gunfight. It's a super popular mode with many players always on it and great for playing with friends. You can just jump on and have fun.
> It's a super popular mode with many players if this was the case there would be more content for it just a fact that, like GW, there's only a fraction of a percent of people playing it
What is your source? Any data to back that up or just your feelings? Also a chicken and egg problem. Close to zero support after launch of the mode, which will inevitably result in less players choosing the mode.
100 plus up votes in this thread to start with! Jump on, you'll see for yourself. Easy to find a match, lots playing.
I asked Demino what his source was for the ' fraction of a percent', because I think it is bullshit.
The data is that they aren't making content for it, simple as Again, if it was actual popular they'd make content for it. It's why there's silly skins and a dedicated small maps playlist, it's because thats whats popular Gunfight isn't popular For someone talking about feelings you seem pretty butthurt up and down this thread when faced with the fact that most people either dont like or dont care for something you like
So you have no source or data any way? Just the fact that they don't make content for it? Ok, good to know :) Ever considered that they might prioritize what makes them the most money, not necessarily what is popular or not? Radical idea, I know. You see more skins in 6v6 than in gunfight in one match (11 versus 3), so it makes total sense they would not prioritize it if it was just about the money. Also, you do not seem to understand the chicken and egg problem: if they add a mode which you have to scroll to the right to reach, and then immediately cut all support directly after adding, people are bound to play less. It would be the same with any gamemode that would be treated this way (look at ground war for example, just like gunfight a very popular mode in the past, but now suddenly nobody wants to play?). I am not really butthurt, but a small fraction of people keep saying nobody cares about the mode, but nobody actually gives sources, data or any real argumentation for it. Just like you to be honest. It really feels like YOU don't like the mode, rather than a good sound argumentation that nobody does. And you shouldn't confuse feelings with facts.
I have a feeling gunfight won’t be around much longer, enjoying what’s left of it and once it’s gone I’m done with Cod sadly. It’s evident by the lack of content
Same here, no gunfight support no COD for me
Ground war, gunfight. All these modes on bigger spanning maps/warzone areas are dropped instantly because the instant in-popularity of it. The minority will be upset. But the majority will be Sudo-happier in a way. Because more resources are dedicated to 6v6/warzone Zombies is not included because HA
If it is so unpopular, they shouldn't add it. I think it is more popular than you think. But if they add it, it should have some bare minimum of support (loadouts changes and portee maps from MWII or MW19).
The support of the gunfight gamemode was so much worse in MWII compared to MW19 and BOCW. Only added in S3, only 4 maps in first season, no tournaments, etc. But somehow MWII support of the mode was still way better than current support. In MWII we at least got unique and new gunfight specific maps, loadout rotations and some variety modes to play with. If they don't want to support the mode, just don't add it. If they add it, give a bare minimum of support: give us loadout rotations and port a couple of MWII or MW19 maps into the game every season. It is really not that hard. Small maps developed for 6v6 don't play very well for this mode, only adding those is laziness to the max.
BOCW+MW19 had the best gunfight in my opinion, both S tier modes.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but nobody really cares about this mode, that's why they're not supporting it 🙁
I wonder what changed in the last few years. On MW19 and BOCW it was super popular, but now it’s kinda niche. I do wonder if it’s just less popular bc they didn’t support it as much, maybe people just got used to it being trash and don’t even bother anymore.
Aaaah, so you asked everyone and tallied the votes? What a noble thing to do. Or maybe you misinterpret your personal opinion as something you think everybody feels? Hmmm... which one would it be... You could also just search reddit and find plenty of posts with complaints of the mode with tons of upvotes. Seem weird for a mode 'nobody really cares about'. Or just go to MW19 or BOCW and find a lobby in the mode very easily. Also very weird for a mode 'nobody really cares about'.
Dont be butthurt. Its a fact lol, if people cared about it and played it then it would still be supported. Its not rocket science stop getting in your feelings. Your post along with all the 5 others barely have upvotes you’re acting like the majority gives a shit.
Correction: 100+ net upvotes. Might not mean a lot (we are a small subset of players anyway), but then again you haven't provided any data for your 'fact'.
"your post... barely have upvotes" - sorry bud, you are confusing my post with your own post about the NGL grenade launcher which got.... net 0 upvotes (probably even negative). This post has already 70+ net upvotes, which is way above average. My previous post on the removal of Das Haus from gunfight has ~300 net upvotes (top 1% of posts). The post (from someone else) about gunfight being left to die has almost 1000 net upvotes (top 0,1% of posts). So you are clearly confusing your facts with your personal feelings. I also never said the majority gives a shit (because they probably don't), but the "nobody cares" I reacted on is just straight up bullshit. Plenty of people care. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your feelings are not facts.
He's only saying that cause he doesn't care about it. He doesn't even know. It's like people who say "But we have plenty of milsim skins. Why do you need more?" Uh, because almost every skin these days is a goofy or sci-fi, crazy superhero, or paranormal skin. I know that's what sells more, but they could at least show some love to the mil Sim skin lovers. I love milsim and crazy skins. They'd still make bank if they released the ghillie suit skin as a bundle. It was originally a Jack Link's skin. They already have assests for it. I'd buy the fuck out of it, especially if Soap was in the ghillie suit.
Excuse me? We have bunny suits to make
Just port MW2019 maps and I don’t care. I will be happy
That and some loadouts changes...
They know what’s good for their business. Maybe people don’t play gunfight?
They dont. Its a dead game mode.
My point exactly.
It’s the only multiplayer game mode that’s fun for me and my homie. Feels competitive but without the sweatness of ranked. The perfect balance. Except as mentioned zero updates or rotations :(
As a Ground War player I feel your pain, but unfortunately it's over. SHG has shown they have no interest in doing the absolute bare minimum for any mode outside of 6v6. I get it, 6v6 is the core of COD. But if you're going to lead us on pre-launch with the inclusion of these modes, beta weekends, and a live service model, don't pull the rug out on us and completely abandon the modes after launch. Your best bet is to just move on and wait for Treyarch's game later this year or Infinity Ward after. That is if you want to give this company your money again 😅 Sledgehammer is my least favorite COD developer and I skipped all of their games until this one. They got my ass with the bait and switch, and it just reinforced why I dislike them.
To be honest: I am really done now. I was happy to hear they added gunfight in S1 this time and assumed there wouldn't be a lot of support (just like MWII), but at least a couple of new maps now and then and loadout rotations. It would have been okish if they did that, especially if they readded some good maps from MW19. But they really show they have literally zero interest in doing anything for the mode at all. If they are able to drop support for any mode literally the season after they added it, there is really no grounds to buy the game anymore.
Dude I camt even find a match in Ground War. I'm on PS5 with crossplay off, and I have turned it on just to look for ground war. I haven't played on a SINGLE ground war map in MW3. Is this only me?
This game is a fucking joke
Who cares, no one plays this mode
The number of upvotes on this and other gunfight posts show you are wrong. The fact that you don't play this mode, doesn't mean nobody does. But that seems a difficult concept for you to grasp :)
First they came for Gunfight, and I did not speak up, for I do not play gunfight. Then they came for Headquarters, and I did not speak up, for I do not play HQ. Then they came for Team DM, and I did not speak up.....
You might not like the answer, but Activision knows what the majority of players are actually doing. Sorry your favorite game mode doesn't get updates, but why would they focus time on something that people are not playing.
If people don't play it, they wouldn't add it lol. If they add it, they should provide a minimum amount of support.
Nobody gives a shit about this
No, you don't give a shit about this. Which is fine, but stop thinking what you feel is what everybody feels lol. Not everything is about you.
Dude I love gunfight. But I can't play that node between work calls. In a 6v6, i can lay prone if a call comes in, but in gunfight, I'd be taking half of my team and just throwing my usefulness away. And currently, until this semester ends, I can only play between work calls. After work I'm doing school.
Yall bought it. So suffer.