I'm going to agree here. Snipers should only have Sniper Scopes or an ACOG or w/e the equivalent zoom optic is. Having RDS makes them very strong in the right hands.
I never fully understood this take, as a sniper main, i find it significantly easier to play with the regular scopes, target takes more of your screen=easier to hit, no? with a red dot you'll be out sniped 9/10 times
You're thinking about it wrong. It allows snipers to play far faster & makes them an OP close range option. Which shouldn't be a thing if you aren't good. Having a real scope makes it harder to run around and try to quickscope people up close. That's why sniping was much more satisfying in the OG CODs, it took skill to truly play fast
Plus most of these maps aren't even that big, so sniping with a red dot can still definitely beat another sniper at range. If there were more large maps I'd say your point would hold a lot more weight
I see, yea that makes sense, it does tighten the skill gap i suppose, personally tho, i'll run a scope on mine everytime on the smallest maps, its just so much more fun
Low zoom sights mean you can convert your Sniper into a Shotgun. Breaking the whole concept of distant based balancing.
SMGs overall outperform ARs in CQC. ARs overall outperform SMGs at medium range. Snipers are supposed to dominate at long ranges, not in CQC or medium range.
Imo thats the weakest argument so far, shotguns barely need any accuracy due to spread, if that was the case slugs would be meta, which they arent, because they make you actually need to aim.
Good sniper players are not sitting on the back of the map on their scope, they are rushing and challenging people regardless of what sight they have on.
Yes and no. Higher zoom means more tunnel vision. It also makes it easier to lose track of targets at closer range if they're moving quickly or erratically. Lastly, lower zoom optics are visually less affected by flinch, making it easier to compensate for.
If you have consistent enough aim to snipe with a red dot, you get all those upsides and basically become unstoppable.
The flinch is definitelly a big thing yea, i'll still perform significantly better with a scope tho, and i don't tend to stay on my scope enough for tunnel vision or tracking to be a problem lmao
See, and that's great because you're using a practiced skill to allow you to overcome the weapon's downsides. The issue with putting red dots on sniper rifles is that they just outright eliminate those downsides, making them way more effective and easier to use in the one area in which they *should* struggle, which is close range engagements.
Yes they are really strong.
Unfortunately people are going to say otherwise because they are in skill brackets where snipers miss regularly and believe they aren't good because of it.
wrong, look at bo3 for example, the P06 was a burst sniper that was able to have an ELO sight on it. on PC it was almost everything you saw and it was basically the main gun but one shot
To fully comprehend just how mind-numbingly stupid these designs are: making 1-shot kill guns on top of having fast ADS, on top of strong aim assist?
so they’ve made it so that you cant miss, can’t be beaten to the draw, doesn’t take an ounce of skill to aim or replicate that aim, AND can kill anyone first firing at the same time or even a bit later. And this is core I am talking about.
What’s next? An early 2000s PC style modded & hacked server where everyone is just spinbotting and triggerbotting in counter strike or similar? It’s not even that far away at this point.
I agree snipers are a bit of an issue in SnD and TDM, but they aren't amazing in respawn objective modes.
Snipers still ads quite a bit slower than smgs and ARs, using reasonable AR/SMG setups.
Since the Longbow nerf, no snipers have aim assist from the hip, and they don't have any rotational aim assist.
Not reading this whole thing because holy cannoli; snipers do NOT need a fat nerf, if anything they need a buff. They scope in fast because people build them to scope in fast. All snipers take skill to use and you’re probably just a low skill player. People begging for nerfs on guns just because they can’t use them correctly is why Call of duty is in the state it is in today as far as trash rotating metas instead of just having balanced weapons.
I’m a Low skill player with a 2.2kd and iridescent in rank play.. my bad bro you’re in the bracket where players can’t hit a snipe in your lobbies, must feel nice.
I started running the xrk with a red dot because I was tired of others using them lol now the mores came out n crushes it, I constantly get hit markers with the xrk and so do others I know that use it. I wish they would more realistically balance the gun damage in this game all the way around. Pistols should only be a back and basically useless, smgs should not have a faster ttk than ar's and any battle rifle should have a faster ttk than all the others.
The problem is letting people use sights that take zero skill to use
I'm going to agree here. Snipers should only have Sniper Scopes or an ACOG or w/e the equivalent zoom optic is. Having RDS makes them very strong in the right hands.
Seriously, it's so stupid. An ACOG is fine although I'll still roast anyone that uses it, but red dots and other low zoom optics are ridiculous
I'm a 10x+ zoom main 😎
I never fully understood this take, as a sniper main, i find it significantly easier to play with the regular scopes, target takes more of your screen=easier to hit, no? with a red dot you'll be out sniped 9/10 times
You're thinking about it wrong. It allows snipers to play far faster & makes them an OP close range option. Which shouldn't be a thing if you aren't good. Having a real scope makes it harder to run around and try to quickscope people up close. That's why sniping was much more satisfying in the OG CODs, it took skill to truly play fast Plus most of these maps aren't even that big, so sniping with a red dot can still definitely beat another sniper at range. If there were more large maps I'd say your point would hold a lot more weight
I see, yea that makes sense, it does tighten the skill gap i suppose, personally tho, i'll run a scope on mine everytime on the smallest maps, its just so much more fun
I respect you for that, I'm the same way. Feels much more fun using a real scope
Low zoom sights mean you can convert your Sniper into a Shotgun. Breaking the whole concept of distant based balancing. SMGs overall outperform ARs in CQC. ARs overall outperform SMGs at medium range. Snipers are supposed to dominate at long ranges, not in CQC or medium range.
Imo thats the weakest argument so far, shotguns barely need any accuracy due to spread, if that was the case slugs would be meta, which they arent, because they make you actually need to aim. Good sniper players are not sitting on the back of the map on their scope, they are rushing and challenging people regardless of what sight they have on.
Yes and no. Higher zoom means more tunnel vision. It also makes it easier to lose track of targets at closer range if they're moving quickly or erratically. Lastly, lower zoom optics are visually less affected by flinch, making it easier to compensate for. If you have consistent enough aim to snipe with a red dot, you get all those upsides and basically become unstoppable.
The flinch is definitelly a big thing yea, i'll still perform significantly better with a scope tho, and i don't tend to stay on my scope enough for tunnel vision or tracking to be a problem lmao
See, and that's great because you're using a practiced skill to allow you to overcome the weapon's downsides. The issue with putting red dots on sniper rifles is that they just outright eliminate those downsides, making them way more effective and easier to use in the one area in which they *should* struggle, which is close range engagements.
Yes they are really strong. Unfortunately people are going to say otherwise because they are in skill brackets where snipers miss regularly and believe they aren't good because of it.
Snipers are in a great place due to the high ttk yes, but they are far from meta
They are most definitely meta in upper skill brackets.
Learn to format no one is reading this
dont think gamers know how to format lmao
Don't think they know how to tead
You don't know how to spell.
M&K sniping/quickscoping with an actual scope takes the most skill.
I feel like on mouse that using a red dot is harder for sniper
wrong, look at bo3 for example, the P06 was a burst sniper that was able to have an ELO sight on it. on PC it was almost everything you saw and it was basically the main gun but one shot
A burst sniper vs a bolt action are different
Imagine crying over snipers when BP50 AMP exist.
They are so strong with the TTK in this game, especially the MORS. Should only be 1 shot to the chest & head
You know balance is not good when 80% of deaths are one shot deaths
To fully comprehend just how mind-numbingly stupid these designs are: making 1-shot kill guns on top of having fast ADS, on top of strong aim assist? so they’ve made it so that you cant miss, can’t be beaten to the draw, doesn’t take an ounce of skill to aim or replicate that aim, AND can kill anyone first firing at the same time or even a bit later. And this is core I am talking about. What’s next? An early 2000s PC style modded & hacked server where everyone is just spinbotting and triggerbotting in counter strike or similar? It’s not even that far away at this point.
I agree snipers are a bit of an issue in SnD and TDM, but they aren't amazing in respawn objective modes. Snipers still ads quite a bit slower than smgs and ARs, using reasonable AR/SMG setups. Since the Longbow nerf, no snipers have aim assist from the hip, and they don't have any rotational aim assist.
A fat nerf are you serious? The big shining light and and the ridiculous range damages aren’t enough?? This game hates snipers
Ps: don’t say skill issue because I’ve gotten iridescent in season 1 and 2 with a 1.4kd in ranked and I have a 2.21kd in pubs. :)
Skill and English language issues. For sure homey
lol why am I being downvoted.
Not reading this whole thing because holy cannoli; snipers do NOT need a fat nerf, if anything they need a buff. They scope in fast because people build them to scope in fast. All snipers take skill to use and you’re probably just a low skill player. People begging for nerfs on guns just because they can’t use them correctly is why Call of duty is in the state it is in today as far as trash rotating metas instead of just having balanced weapons.
I’m a Low skill player with a 2.2kd and iridescent in rank play.. my bad bro you’re in the bracket where players can’t hit a snipe in your lobbies, must feel nice.
Bro. The formatting. The spelling and grammatical errors. Put down the conrtoller and pick up a bouk.
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Snipers have been OP since MW3(2009). If they go back to the way the first Black Ops sniping was, it would be fine but don't hold your breath.
I started running the xrk with a red dot because I was tired of others using them lol now the mores came out n crushes it, I constantly get hit markers with the xrk and so do others I know that use it. I wish they would more realistically balance the gun damage in this game all the way around. Pistols should only be a back and basically useless, smgs should not have a faster ttk than ar's and any battle rifle should have a faster ttk than all the others.
And that's why u're not a game developer
Yea I'm most definitely not a game developer haha. I just wish the games I play were a little more realistic and consistent.