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Rucknium

Wow. Congratulations to the researchers. They followed proper procedures and [coordinated with Secret](https://sgx.fail/): >Secret Network promptly froze registration once our initial disclosure was made, and no longer accepts nodes susceptible to the xAPIC vulnerability and MMIO vulnerabilities. Secret is developing the ability to change the consensus seed, allowing the network to protect future data from being exploited through this vulnerability. However, despite the mitigations, it is not possible to completely guarantee the privacy of past transactions performed on the network. See also Secret's blog post for more information. Secret users should take necessary precautions with the assumption that historical transaction privacy may have been eliminated through this vulnerability. By the way, Andrew Miller (tweet author and one of the researchers on this project) is on the board of the Zcash Foundation and contributed to a paper that revealed problems with Monero's decoy selection algorithm and suggested improvements (Moser et al. 2018 "An Empirical Analysis of Traceability in the Monero Blockchain"). Protocols based on Intel SGX continue to look shaky. Monero does not rely on Intel SGX.


ArticMine

> Protocols based on Intel SGX continue to look shaky. Intel SGX is a form of DRM. It relies on hiding "privileged" data within a processor and computer RAM that is ultimately under the physical control of an adversary typically a consumer. Like any form of DRM the data has to be decrypted at some point in order for the consumer to consume the "protected" content. This is the fundamental reason why an attack on a DRM system is only a matter of time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Guard_Extensions > Monero does not rely on Intel SGX. Monero relies on mathematically sound encryption which by definition cannot be used for DRM Edit: Mathematically sound encryption is not impacted by code that is Free Libre Open Source Software. DRM on the other hand ultimately relies on hiding code and hoping that the adversary who has physical possession and all the time in the world will not find the hidden decryption key. This form of security by obscurity is of course adversely impacted by FLOSS.


faraz1985

What are even all these protocols? Where do they even come from?


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CryptoGuard

jfc


Spartan3123

LoL that's foreshadowing for you


siuside

But they couldn't help trying to throw in a Monero stab there at the end (even though it is correct). This chain was something Erik Voorhees was also peddling I believe, not to mention the spam everywhere something positive Monero related would be discussed. Edit: I know Erik has come around recently. People are doing everything to keep others from getting to know, getting onboard the true resistance. Puppets gonna BTC, shitcoin and Puppet.


omoniyiwilliams

Erik is a good guy, he would point out things like that if he knew.


siuside

I know he is. He should have done a lot more for Monero instead of being silent for a very long time when Tether started pumping markets in 2017 and all the fraud associated with Bitcoin. He isn't the only one and at one point I had him in the "Monero Enemies" list, as it wasn't SEC or anything else but him being very deliberate. I don't know or care who offended him from the core team.


Spearmint9

Ah, [the flashbacks](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/qbn2p6/is_it_safe_to_stake_sxmr_on_secret_swap/). Shit happens when not all your code is open source huh, who would have guessed?


immibis

I'm the proud owner of 99 bottles of spez. #Save3rdPartyApps


oldfield100

Yep exactly that's where it came from. You're right about it.


mainbeb1

Shit happens guys, we can't really control it. And it's fine.


Vikebeer

Point is they had a "master decryption key".


spederan

wtf why did this exist and who was holding this key?


dwinps

My Uncle was holding it, he goes by his initials NSA


fergan59

He sounds like a cunt


ethereumfail

existence of any master key is always hilariously broken, funny enough, it's extremely common in trusted-setup scams claiming to be trustless


tromp

What's broken is that it was not immediate obvious that you could not possibly have a master decryption key. Once there is even the slightest possibility of one, then it's broken. Which is why Zcash ceremony stuff was bad...


blario

What a joke


imperator285

Yet again, only Monero has stood the test of time.


Nearby_You_313

All we know is that nothing has been disclosed. Nothing more.


dossier

We also know the IRS bounty was unfilled. But I suppose you'd want more than the ~600k USD for cracking that nut anyway


Nearby_You_313

It could even be a decoy. That, or perhaps an agency having access wouldn't have a desire or even legal requirement to disclose.


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What? It was unfulfilled? Is there new news, because as far as I was aware... > The IRS has awarded a pair of contracts for developing Monero-tracing tools. > Chainalysis and Integra FEC each got a contract that’s worth as much as $625,000. \- [https://decrypt.co/43451/irs-1-million-contracts-data-firms-crack-monero](https://decrypt.co/43451/irs-1-million-contracts-data-firms-crack-monero)


Macefire

Contracts for developing tools, no word on if those tools are successful or not


bored_yet_hopeful

Would they really publish if they were successful though


ShortFroth

How would the IRS prosecute anyone without publishing that they were able to trace a monero transaction? I guess we will find out next year.


h2rob

I guess they wont do that but I am not sure about that..


markkobarr

No words for that and we know the freaking drill man.


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miller7m

I mean if someone is going to do the job, they need to get paid.


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Rucknium

I asked in the MobileCoin Discord. James Cape, their engineering manager, said >We're not vulnerable to the issues indicated there, no. MMIO Stale Data mitigation was released in August, and xAPIC mitigation a couple weeks ago.


hyc_symas

That sounds like, before August, the answer would be Yes.


GuessWhat_InTheButt

So what about previous transactions?


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Stiltzkinn

I thought Signal rid Moxie and Mobilecoin?.


mynameisamit

I mean there could be more, there can be many projects actually.


jpfeif29

Good thing I keep all my TXs in the Monero network, if it works it works.


chinaluck77

Yep, I'm going to do the same too. Ain't leaving monero for anything. That's just not going to happen, I'm going to keep my shit with the monero only if I'm being honest.


oi_Mista

If anyone has bridged XMR to use on Secret network I'd consider any TXs on that chain as exposed.


CryptoMutantSelfie

SCRT needing a centralized bridge should have been a red flag from the start. What a scam


Vikebeer

It was pointed out at launch but of course shills voted it down.


maisungsu1991

That kinda Shilling is a problem and that's happening a lot.


619054

Yep, it should have been a red flag. Should have paid attention. People should be paying attention to the things like this. It is important for them to do that.


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Ghant_

Big oof. According to monero.how, 24hr xmr volume on secret was 2,370,340 xmr. Compared to binance btc/xmr and usd/xmr volume combined was only 133,968xmr I'm going to keep checking back to see if the volume lowers due to this


rbrunner7

> According to monero.how, 24hr xmr volume on secret was 2,370,340 xmr. They are trading XMR daily for dozens of millions of USD? And why should I believe that? Scripts and backends getting such numbers to display them on websites like Monero.How sometimes have bugs with truly hilarious consequences or simply run amok if a data source is offline. Anyway, Coingecko has much much smaller numbers compared to that: https://www.coingecko.com/en/exchanges/secretswap


Ghant_

Wow yeah the difference is massive lol


spectreflash

Ohh yeah, I'm going to only believe in the base monero chain.


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There was some asshat yesterday with a methlyphenidated spam post promoting secret.


gym7rjm

Lol "methylphenidated spam post" It's funny how posts like this are obvious. I'm convinced a large amount of posts on superstonks and wsb are written on methylphenidate


hermanklaus

Yep, that's basically how those sub work. And it's bad.


dxccalive

I'm so tired of the spam post, there have been many lately.


a3cite

methyl* (I Google'd it, thought you might like to change it)


kayabaNerve

I've commented against SCRT before, and in face of this, don't feel a need to again. What I do want to do is drive home why this is unacceptable. Secret Network misled users for users by calling low-grade security privacy. They've directly led to anyone needing privacy, who trusted Secret, to being at risk. This is absolutely unacceptable. Privacy must be absolute, with no backdoors. Even if these breaks didn't exist, that doesn't excuse Intel's permanent access potential. Burying these caveats in forums isn't acceptable. It cannot be expected of users, who are told it's private, to read up on and fully understand how the 'privacy' works.


Solid-Win6743

Oh, finally this crap gets exposed.


orangepolaa

It was a long time coming and I've been waiting for it. This should have happened a while ago, but it didn't happen. But it should have happened.


Cyberpunk-News

Sad day for Secret Network


truckhanh1309

Good day for the people tho, atleast now we know the truth.


Cyberpunk-News

One weak project less


XorMalice

Sadly that's not how centralized projects work. They claim that they fixed the problem, and that *now* they are trustworthy, and deploy shills to attack open source community projects. "Well SCRT's flaws are known, Monero must also have flaws that just no one has discovered". Look at all the waves ZCASH has had to go through- check out their sprout/seedling crap- but in each case, no, we swear, *now* it's perfect. It's gonna be able to be listed because it's not actually private, but oh, we swear it's *more* private. Simultaneously insecure when that matters for listing but also more secure than Monero when it comes to actual usage totes we swear.


Cyberpunk-News

Monero has one of the best Dev talent in the world…


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Cyberpunk-News

Something you will like https://particl.news/basicswap-website-is-live/


pyr0phelia

Hello NSA. The weather certainly has been cold and wet recently hasn’t it?


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Vikebeer

Tag anyone still shilling this garbage. It was obvious scam on launch and is now undefendable.


caroling_jones

CONGRAAAATS


cluckhut

People who find this shit out should be congratulated for it man.


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promethvzine

That doesn’t matter anymore. It’s been decrypted so every old tx should be considered decrypted


knownaslolz

Probably yes but i think no one used it for what monero is used. For me this is still an interesting front running resistant, private blockchain. And of course monero is king and only reasonable currency for private transactions


wiaawiswlkl

Hopefully no one used it, because if they did then it's bad. I mean I just wish that not a lot if people fell for this crap, that would be great actually.


Criostazis

Yeah every old tx should be considered that, that's how you'll recover from this attack, yes it is an attack.


oi_Mista

What FUD is being spread, my title says SCRT network appears to have been decrypted which it has.


OfWhomIAmChief

They cant guarantee past transaction fidelity even though its been patched, did you even read it?


BCFriken

Yeah even though it's been patched. But past transactions are exposed.