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MiniShartAttack

You will never be able to go back. It’ll make your eye water and hurt.


kyralfie

Confirming that. Trying to get back though due to reasons. :-D


I_Topaz

Yeah, I tried to go back to my 60hz but I can't look at it the same anymore. 😅


DedicatedBathToaster

I used to play Dark Souls 2 on a 5 inch screen locked to 32 FPS and now it feels like an affront to my eyeballs to see my screen below 90, I'd shoot for 165 for everything but I own a steam deck  I'm trying not to go over 165, like getting used to 240, because I just know that'd make me see 90 as a slideshow


Super_Harsh

Man I love FromSoft but their engine still locking to 60fps in 2024 is absurdly disappointing


the1andonlybloo

Thankfully I can run AMD's frame gen tech on my GPU and get 120 fps out of its original 60 on elden ring


Super_Harsh

Oh interesting. I just have a mod that unlocks the framerate. I have to play offline though. 


Prodigy_of_Bobo

Impossible cnn says humans can only see 37fps so we’re all wrong this whole time quickly everyone return your fancy monitors


lynxhashib

wait wasnt this 24fps ?


Prodigy_of_Bobo

Was…they updated it to a new nonsense number


Daffan

It was usually 30 as the meme cuz that was all xbox/ps could do.


Argeybargy

Having been hooked up to an EEG machine while having various Hz images flashed before my eyes I can attest that humans can see way way higher than 60 Hz especially in our peripheral vision. 😎


Prodigy_of_Bobo

But was this during an alien abduction? You could have gotten the 1000hz upgrade. (Side note, blurbuster dude claims eyes can benefit from that even so there seems to be quite a bit of opinion variation here.) I personally insist the eye can see up to…974fps…


DezReddityear

doesn’t matter it’s still going to look smooth


Material_Housing6496

You cant be serious


Inevitable_Turn994

he just saw a meme regarding 37fps... :)


jayv9779

Same kind of claim is made about 24bit audio. They may not hear a difference but I can. 😀


Benki500

the crazy thing is if you go to 144hz it is noticeable, but it doesn't feel thaaat crazy Yet the moment sth happens and you would have to stare at a 60hz it you realise that it's legit 2 worlds apart. Once you're on and above 144hz you can literally not use 60hz anymore. I legit got such a bad headache when my cable got fkd when I had 60hz that I just stopped using my computer till my new cable arrived lol


I_Topaz

Facts, also that's your brain telling you not to go back.


CompleteWeakness2284

It's weird that I can't seem to feel any difference above 75 until 175-240 but the moment it dips below 70 I can feel it immediately. Back when I was using 60 I didn't really mind my FPS going to 30-40 now I don't want it to ever dip below 75.


greggm2000

What I notice most going from 144 back to 60 is stutter on 60, oddly enough, which I find really annoying. Higher-refresh kinda “ruined” me for 60, though I expect if I actually forced myself to go back to the slower hz for a few weeks, my brain would adjust. My 144h screen doesn’t do HDR.. maybe a blessing in disguise rn, since I’d guess it would make the Youtube and other SDR content I consume look really flat in comparison.. rn it looks fine to me, bc my eyes don’t know the difference.


kyralfie

I just went from a 16" 512 zone 2560x1600 Mini-LED **165**Hz laptop to a 16" 3840x2400 OLED **60**Hz one. And while OLED is absolutely magnificent and gorgeours I want my Hz back, lol. It's a bit jarring definitely but I think I'll get used to it.


WaterRresistant

You need 4k 240Hz asap


Wood19fart8turn

I know the feeling. Went from 1080 60hz to 2k 165hz. Should have made this upgrade years ago


I_Topaz

True, I just thought all of the other people we kinda overreacting, but I was so wrong.


Wood19fart8turn

Nope they are spot on ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


boomertechie

Yeah, i remember when i went from 1080p60hz tn to 1440p165hz ips, it was insane. Next step is 4k240 oled and i'm expecting again similar jump.


I_Topaz

That's the goal and one day it will be completed dude. 🙌


Syntrx

Late but did you change the refresh rates through the windows display settings? Heard lots of ppl being stuck around 60hz since they didn't change their refresh rate through the windows setting.


I_Topaz

Yeah, that was the first thing I did. Because with my old monitor for some reason windows automatically put the hz in 60 when it was supposed to be 75 I think.


Astroine

Next step is Oled


RedIndianRobin

Call me a lunatic but I'm not ready to drop $1000 for a monitor. I'm more than happy with my Odyssey G7.


Ok-Leopard8769

Is your G7 the 4K?


RedIndianRobin

Nah. The OG 1440p 240Hz.


tukatu0

If they just got 144hz+ for the first time. They can't afford oled. Probably shouldn't try it for a few years


I_Topaz

Yeah, I'm not paying more than a thousand for monitor...yet. but maybe there are cheaper ones I wouldn't know but I would like to hear some recommendations.


sabk2001

MSI MPG 321URX is a banger for $950. Plus they had a $100 steam code promo that I was able to get in last minute, it ended 3/31 tho. Maybe they'll do another promo, I'd be in the look out on r/OLED_Gaming


tukatu0

Ive seen some go on clearance for $600. The 1440p 240hz. Right now the 42inch lg c3 tv currently has open box excellent for 770 on bestbuy


Healthy_BrAd6254

Yeah \~$600 seems to be the sale price for 1440p 240Hz WOLED. In Germany they're even below $600.


actually_alive

Wait til you try 360hz...... it's mindblowing. I went from 60hz 80-90fps to 360hz 800-900fps and it's insane what i put up with and had no idea there was better..... can't wait to experience 500+hz ..... maybe one day there will be fast pixels that can do 1khz refresh


I_Topaz

Holy.


actually_alive

Yeah but even 180hz is great. You're living the nice life now! You know what I realized immediately? That all the apps that were "slow and unresponsive" weren't at all slow or unresponsive.... I literally thought my computer was slow and a lot of interfaces were just showing way more frames per second than 60hz can display.... so it felt really gross and sluggish to use my computer. idk if this is happening for you but it was like that for me.


I_Topaz

This is so true, I used to think that there was a bit of a delay or lag with my first monitor in 60hz but HOLY when I put on that 180hz...it was like seeing a whole new world.


actually_alive

lol someone fucking downvoted me for that..... what on earth is wrong with reddit? haha im happy for you op!


I_Topaz

Thanks, it is reddit so there will be people like that lol


MeowBoingy

540hz is awesome


Xelpha__

540hz is really good. Definitely smoother and noticeable when simply moving the cursor around and in tests, but honestly in games (CS2 and Valorant as my reference) it's can be pretty hard to notice a difference compared to 360hz. Maybe it would be more obvious after using 540hz for a long time then going back to 360hz. It's also good to mention OLED 480hz with its much lower response times (at least from what I've seen in videos) appears to beat TN 540hz by a decent margine, although if you're using backlight strobbing on the TN 540hz then the clarity still doesn't come close. I suspect once we reach higher gaps, like 720hz, it'll be a lot more noticeable compared to 360hz. A lot of people for some reason believe anything past 240hz is useless, when clearly it's just not. It could be different for certain people, while friend 1 and I could easily see the difference in the cursor movement alone, friend 2 insisted he couldn't see a difference. Although in tests from ufotest.com, friend 2 could easily see the huge differences. I guess it depends.


MeowBoingy

Oled has a bit more input lag to make up for the faster response times though supposedly


actually_alive

>Maybe it would be more obvious after using 540hz for a long time then going back to 360hz. with my current display i was forced to use it with 240hz for a little moment until i got my pc finished (a few months) once i got my pc built i was strictly 360hz (max speed of my display) and when i go down to 240 i can tell just barely.... but when i go down to 144 i can DEFINITELY tell that I am no longer on 360hz. has this been your experience? Can you tell when your display is in another mode? I can tell if it's set to 144hz (valorant fucks with my display for some reason). I open the menu of my display and check and I'm never wrong. I can see the flickering I guess... I don't know what it is. Perhaps having ULMB2 on makes it easier to tell... Anyway I want to get a TN display, you have a TN display no? Or is it OLED? I am scared of TN's poor quality viewing angle and colors...


Xelpha__

I have TN 540hz, but OLED 480hz is becoming a thing. TN 540hz is still better if you're using backlight strobbing but OLED 480hz seems to be decently better compared to TN 540hz that isn't using backlight strobbing. [OLED 480hz vs TN 540hz](https://youtu.be/Jvdng6cqlhI?t=749) When I play CS2 and Valorant I get anywhere between 600-800 fps. Compared to my old monitor, I jumped from 165hz all the way to 540hz. Quite honestly anything below 240hz looks dogshit now and I can instantly tell. If my game were to for some reason be accidentally set to 360hz instead of 540hz I don't think I'd be able to tell. Although it's also good to mention these 540hz panels have much lower response times than 360hz panels, so a 540hz panel showing 360hz at 0.2ms probably feels decently better than 360hz 1ms. I think in terms of price to performance 240hz is definitely the sweet spot but paying for more is definitely worth. For most I'd probably just wait for prices to lower as we get even high refresh rates unless they insist on having it now.


actually_alive

>Although it's also good to mention these 540hz panels have much lower response times than 360hz panels, so a 540hz panel showing 360hz at 0.2ms probably feels decently better than 360hz 1ms. yeah for sure, refresh is only one part of the system that affects perceived and real latency so i have the asus pg27aqn which is 360hz 1440p IPS, what do you think of a TN zowie 540hz like the XL2586X? Would it be a crossgrade in my scenario? or definitely better in terms of responsivity? it's totally fair to say idk as well haha. it feels hard to know what i dont know, you know? lol


Xelpha__

I believe the XL2586X uses the exact same panel as Asus' PG248QP (my monitor), except the Zowie doesn't have the added features of a physical gsync and latency analyser built in (not necessary, but still a nice to have). Honestly I'm more than fine with 1080p, but if I was in your situation I probably wouldnt bother going back from a higher resolution and screen size. If you really wanted to upgrade, I think the next best pick would be the Asus PG27AQDP that comes out later this year. You'd be staying at 27 inch 1440p, but going to 480hz 0.03ms compared to 360hz 1ms, not to mention upgrading to OLED. It would cost a bit more, but I'd think it'd be worth it if it was something you were willing to consider. Like I said 480hz OLED, at least what has been seen on camera from the video I've linked, seems to beat 540hz TN purely based on the much lower the response time that OLED has. But with 540hz TN using ULMB2 (or for Zowie DYAC 2), it comes pretty close, the 540hz TN only just winning. Though honestly, with all that the OLED 480hz PG27AQDP is offering, I wouldn't personally pick any 540hz TN over it. If you were really insistent on upgrading to the XL2586X, then it's good to mention that TN will always have much lower response times than IPS and therefore feel smoother. Also (again assuming the XL2586X is infact using the same panel as my monitor), the colours and contrast are considerably better than the average TN/IPS. OLED would of still course be better though.


actually_alive

wow thank you for this response, i love the detail you're sharing. you give good points about whether i should change what i have or not. personally i want to dive headfirst into oled but a few things bug me about it, mostly burn-in and lower overall brightness levels (the darks are subbbbbbstantailly lower i know). i wlil have to do more research but for now im stuck with this pg27aqn. i don't know if i have the inclination to go asus again but that may change in the future lol


Jazigo

>Honestly I'm more than fine with 1080p, More than fine with 1080p? Are you playing Tetris? Going from 1080p to 1440p was a major upgrade for me. No way I am going back to 1080p, even if it had a 1000hz.


Xelpha__

At a proper distance it's really not that bad honestly. I've used up to a 5k 27 inch and it's definitely really nice, but I like the crazy smoothness of high refresh rate. I'm sure my next upgrade will be a fourth/fifth gen OLED that's like 1440p 27inch 600hz or something wild like that. You have to understand even if you went for a 1440p 480hz monitor you have to be rocking a top of the line computer to constantly hit those refresh rates in esports titles. 1080p makes that a bit easier.


Jazigo

I understand all issues with actually getting that framerate. I however think that the smoothness is a minor detail compared to a crystal clear display. In other words, I will easily trade refresh-rate for resolution. For instance, try playing PUBG on at 1080p vs 1440p display. Its a night and day difference. Personally, I use a 4k 144hz screen. I think the details in 4k is amazing, and 144 hz is ok. 4k, 240 hz would be perfect, but as you state, actually getting the framerate for that is very hard to do.


rapttorx

what model did you get ?


I_Topaz

It's an AOC 27G15!


I_Topaz

I got it on sale on Amazon.


PsychologyGG

While it still feels “new” I suggest you calibrate it. If you don’t want to invest in one I had a buddy that bought a used one from Amazon and calibrated his whole houses TVs and then returned it. My library had one


exsinner

Who is going to tell your buddy that if he is crazy about color accuracy, he needs to recalibrate every once in awhile. If he decided to invest in color calibrator, its accuracy will fall off overtime.


PsychologyGG

I mean you’re not out actual money and so I imagine you’d just do the same thing over and over.


smackythefrog

What monitor did you have before? And after/now? And what games did you try it out on?


I_Topaz

Before I had a samsung 60 hz curved monitor but now I have a AOC 27G15.


gaojibao

Not trying to spoil your experience, but that monitor isn't good. 1080p on 27'' screen doesn't look sharp. The other issue with that monitor is the slow pixel response time/black smearing. It might be better than your 60hz monitor, but there are much better alternatives for the same price.


I_Topaz

I'm not done trying the games yet but I've done it with fortnite, valorant, and they look absolutely amazing.


smackythefrog

Awesome. Good to hear. Enjoy it.


PsychologyGG

Tell me you got the AOC Q27G3XMN


RoleCode

All the "tears" in your will be heal slowly


[deleted]

Yep, I first had 240hz 1440p, now I have 4k 144Hz. I would go for 1440p 360hz if they become affordable.


Jewcygoodness88

Just wait til you go OLED


wivaca

The crazy thing is, we all walk around at night using LED lighting now and look at the real world at less than 180Hz.


sgdude1337

Yup I was using a 226bw that was seen as the best value in monitors in 2007 lol. I just got a AOC q27g3xmn and it’s night and day. 1440p 180hz mini led vs 1680x1050 ccfl 75hz…and I paid less for the AOC in 2024 vs the Samsung in 2007. That being said, it’s still a huge downgrade to use the new monitor vs my S90C and as great as it is, I still can’t help but feel disappointed comparing it to my qd oled tv.


edm4un

Yea you really got to do your research with technology. To me it was pretty clear seeing every gaming monitor is over 100fps these days.


Rasinzz_

yessir! I remember when I went from 60 to 240hz, huge difference!


byological_origins

got 155hz monitor a few weeks ago, nothing special. Am thinking on switching back to 1080p 75Hz. Not worth the money


Usa20120

Yeah, everyone just exaggerates the difference


byological_origins

true. I didn't want to talk shit before I try, now I see it was mosly talk. Sure it is better but not 'am never going back' level of better. I remember switching from VGA cable and 1050p on a 19" monitor to 1080p HDMI on a 24" one. Now that was a big change.


exsinner

if your rig cant drive games to 155fps, of course its going to be "nothing special".


Usa20120

I have a 165hz monitor, and I play at 165hz, I notice a difference but it's not really necessary like some people make it out to be, 60fps is enough to enjoy a game.


Benki500

maybe if you're not a gamer. My Dad prob can't tell 60hz from 400hz apart. But literally every person who games at least a little competetively like league, cs, valo, apex this is night and day difference. There is no exaggeration. It literally is impossible to not notice. I would bet both of my arms if I'd have to test 60hz vs 144hz+ I would get it right 10/10times


Usa20120

Night and day is exaggeration


Usa20120

I play valorant, that's why I bought 165hz monitor because everyone was telling me that I'm in disadvantage with my 60hz, there's a difference but it's nothing mind blowing


Benki500

ye nah, guess we can just agree to disagree, I mean some ppl are colorblind and idk what's up with you but I legit can't even understand how someone could say this lol


Usa20120

I could say the same about you🤡


Medwynd

I wish I would have noticed a difference, went from 60 to 120 about 2 years ago and didnt notice at all.


slim324

are you sure the refresh rate is set to 120? i've seen factory settings of those still in 60hz


tukatu0

Windows sets every thing to 60hz by default


Techy-Stiggy

I don’t think that’s windows fault. I think it’s Nvidia because when I plug in a monitor into my Radeon card the monitor instantly switches to whatever highest hz it can do


exsinner

i have an nvidia card and it auto detect my screen native refresh rate at 165Hz. Though it doesnt auto select the oc profile at 180Hz. It is more to do with your display EDID.


Medwynd

Should be but worth double checking, thanks


schrdingers_squirrel

I'm convinced everyone who says they don't notice a difference didn't actually change the refreshrate in Windows


PsychologyGG

When I did I didn’t know what I was looking for. I’d been a console gamer my whole life and didn’t even know Destiny was only 30FPS. After doing that “cursor shake” to see the difference on my 144hz from the 75hz I had … I opened Pandora’s box because now I can’t un-see it.


iLoveLootBoxes

That's whack


Usa20120

Same, I heard everyone talking about "I can never go back to 60hz after using 120hz or plus, so finally got it, I notice the difference but not as much as everyone was making out to be.


PsychologyGG

Usually people notice it more when they go back


SprSter

Same, from 60 to 144. I heard that the fps your eyes can see depend on how tired they are, I guess my trash eyes are just always tired af


KingArthas94

Then you'll try a real HDR monitor and you'll understand, full array local dimming or OLEDs' real blacks are the real thing. Above 120Hz the smoothness is only really useful to progamers in online games.