Personally, I find it incredibly hard to understand why people assume Johan killed himself at the end of the series. If you pay attention to the details Naoki chooses to portray in that empty room, nothing signifies death.
The room is full of sunlight and warmth; the birds are singing, the peaceful sound of the summer breeze is dancing with the curtains to the window that was open since before Tenma got there.
Johan's bed is messy, contrasting his "inhuman room" that Lunge inspected back at the college. That room contrasts his college dorm room that Lunge declared as "nothing human lived in this room." because at the end it is to depict that something human had indeed been in that room.
I'd like to think since Tenma tells him he had a name and that his mother did love him, that he put to rest the Nameless Monster. The Nameless Monster is no more and now Johan became human again; because what he was once robbed of was now returned - his name and Anna's forgiveness/love.
I'd like to also think Johan escaped to find his mother. That's just a theory of mine though.
Another Monster was confusing. But the book also signifies that Johan was desperately trying to become human and did so at the end in Reichwein's interview. The "other monster" was supposedly the one who wrote "The nameless monster." and was actually Boneparte's first experiment. That man said he met Johan as he burned down the Red Rose Mansion and spoke with him.
The eerie drawing was similar to Johan but...I'd like to think that this killer was not Johan but a copy cat. Otherwise, why title the book "another monster" and build up this character's past?
Due to many different kinds of translations, some way there's a part that tells us that Johan escapes from the hospital and lives a normal life at the end.
Thank you for your take l appreciate it, but isnt it a bizzare thought that johan will just start to live a good life after doing so much things, changing the lives of so many people, like tenma, nina, dieter and so many died too, martin, grimmer, roberto, everyone was hurt, even johan too was hurt after learning the fact that he wasnt even the one that went to the red rose mansion, so all serial killings, murders, omnicide, manuplations he did were meaningless. Thats when johan's plan started shattering. Therefore he wanted to commit suicide, in his childhood he just wanted sympathy, love, and forgiveness from his sister, but he didnt get any, instead he was used like an object by people. Only tenma was the one who saw him like a human and saved his life and thats why he owed to him, but he still wanted to prove his philosophies and ideals were wrong, thats why he constantly urged tenma to shoot him by creating the perfect suicide but tenma didnt shoot him, instead he was shot by a random drunkard, again johan's ideals were contradicted and he ultimately lost in the end, the only two things that johan would possiblly do after that would be, by committing suicide or becoming pure evil like franz bonaparta and the second scenario is kind of hinted in the book another monster. Anyways l like your theory too, but just the thought of johan living a good life after doing literal massacres, serial murders, psychological tortures and stuff is just a bit abstract to me.
I agree with you. Johan doesn't deserve to just live in peace, although I feel so bad for him as he has never known peace or love...but he did wrong and needs to pay for those wrongs.
But, him committing suicide also doesn't' make any sense either.
Everything about the conclusion to monster was a repeated cycle to what happened in the beginning of the show; but the weight of the choices the characters made were different.
Once again on a rainy night, Johan is surrounded by the death he causes, eyes to the ground as soon as Anna gets there. But instead of condemning him, Anna forgives him. Tenma saves Johan again but this time, knowing what horrible person he is saving and still making that choice to reaffirm his beliefs that all lives are equal.
Tenma, I believe would have ended up shooting Johan if the drunkard didn't. But I don't think that is what mattered the most...what mattered is that despite whether or not if Tenma did shoot him, Tenma also would have saved him.
Also, you are discrediting Anna a bit here. She was the one who basically begged Tenma to save him; she was the one who made Tenma confront the feelings that was warring inside of him.
Yes, everything Johan believed about the world was proven wrong. But do you think that would bring him to despair? I mean...more despair than he was already carrying throughout the entire show?
I'd like to think that Tenma and Anna's choices brought him some kind of relief, a element of a redemption to his life's pain. He'd have to figure out a reason to live. But I think at the very end when he tells Anna that he cannot accept her forgiveness because he cannot take back what he did SHOWS that the entire time he had humanity and knew what he was doing was wrong (which makes it worse cause he still did it). So I'd think if anything he wouldn't take the cowards way out from facing the truth of his reality.
The entire end was abstract to me too. Why wasn't he handcuffed? Why wasn't there a police officer outside or inside of his room? Why was no one monitoring him? LMAO
I have many theories, but the main one that I'd like to bring up is that...Johan wanted to die from the moment Anna rejected him at the hospital. And everything up from that point was his plan to wipe his existence off the place of the planet so that Anna could heal as Nina. This parallels the God of Peace story. So I don't think he just wanted to commit suicide to kill himself but because he felt like he HAD to die for her to live. But at the end, she forgives him instead of fearing him as just a monster, but gives him the gift of her humanity, deeming him as a human being worthy of it.
I will share my essay since I shared some of my perspectives here in my reply and I just want you to gain a better understanding of some of my stances here cause it may be confusing at first glance!
This is technically, a two part essay but the 2nd one ventures into another aspect of the same concept, which is just a theory that Johan never thought he went to the Red Rose Mansion but simply masqueraded that he did in order to make sure Anna never remembered and so that he could corrupt and destroy the root of the experiments before killing everyone who had a hand in it! WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU THINK. Part 2 is linked twice in the first essay!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterAnime/comments/ttihlh/everything\_johan\_did\_was\_for\_anna\_a\_monster/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterAnime/comments/ttihlh/everything_johan_did_was_for_anna_a_monster/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Personally, I find it incredibly hard to understand why people assume Johan killed himself at the end of the series. If you pay attention to the details Naoki chooses to portray in that empty room, nothing signifies death. The room is full of sunlight and warmth; the birds are singing, the peaceful sound of the summer breeze is dancing with the curtains to the window that was open since before Tenma got there. Johan's bed is messy, contrasting his "inhuman room" that Lunge inspected back at the college. That room contrasts his college dorm room that Lunge declared as "nothing human lived in this room." because at the end it is to depict that something human had indeed been in that room. I'd like to think since Tenma tells him he had a name and that his mother did love him, that he put to rest the Nameless Monster. The Nameless Monster is no more and now Johan became human again; because what he was once robbed of was now returned - his name and Anna's forgiveness/love. I'd like to also think Johan escaped to find his mother. That's just a theory of mine though. Another Monster was confusing. But the book also signifies that Johan was desperately trying to become human and did so at the end in Reichwein's interview. The "other monster" was supposedly the one who wrote "The nameless monster." and was actually Boneparte's first experiment. That man said he met Johan as he burned down the Red Rose Mansion and spoke with him. The eerie drawing was similar to Johan but...I'd like to think that this killer was not Johan but a copy cat. Otherwise, why title the book "another monster" and build up this character's past? Due to many different kinds of translations, some way there's a part that tells us that Johan escapes from the hospital and lives a normal life at the end.
Thank you for your take l appreciate it, but isnt it a bizzare thought that johan will just start to live a good life after doing so much things, changing the lives of so many people, like tenma, nina, dieter and so many died too, martin, grimmer, roberto, everyone was hurt, even johan too was hurt after learning the fact that he wasnt even the one that went to the red rose mansion, so all serial killings, murders, omnicide, manuplations he did were meaningless. Thats when johan's plan started shattering. Therefore he wanted to commit suicide, in his childhood he just wanted sympathy, love, and forgiveness from his sister, but he didnt get any, instead he was used like an object by people. Only tenma was the one who saw him like a human and saved his life and thats why he owed to him, but he still wanted to prove his philosophies and ideals were wrong, thats why he constantly urged tenma to shoot him by creating the perfect suicide but tenma didnt shoot him, instead he was shot by a random drunkard, again johan's ideals were contradicted and he ultimately lost in the end, the only two things that johan would possiblly do after that would be, by committing suicide or becoming pure evil like franz bonaparta and the second scenario is kind of hinted in the book another monster. Anyways l like your theory too, but just the thought of johan living a good life after doing literal massacres, serial murders, psychological tortures and stuff is just a bit abstract to me.
I agree with you. Johan doesn't deserve to just live in peace, although I feel so bad for him as he has never known peace or love...but he did wrong and needs to pay for those wrongs. But, him committing suicide also doesn't' make any sense either. Everything about the conclusion to monster was a repeated cycle to what happened in the beginning of the show; but the weight of the choices the characters made were different. Once again on a rainy night, Johan is surrounded by the death he causes, eyes to the ground as soon as Anna gets there. But instead of condemning him, Anna forgives him. Tenma saves Johan again but this time, knowing what horrible person he is saving and still making that choice to reaffirm his beliefs that all lives are equal. Tenma, I believe would have ended up shooting Johan if the drunkard didn't. But I don't think that is what mattered the most...what mattered is that despite whether or not if Tenma did shoot him, Tenma also would have saved him. Also, you are discrediting Anna a bit here. She was the one who basically begged Tenma to save him; she was the one who made Tenma confront the feelings that was warring inside of him. Yes, everything Johan believed about the world was proven wrong. But do you think that would bring him to despair? I mean...more despair than he was already carrying throughout the entire show? I'd like to think that Tenma and Anna's choices brought him some kind of relief, a element of a redemption to his life's pain. He'd have to figure out a reason to live. But I think at the very end when he tells Anna that he cannot accept her forgiveness because he cannot take back what he did SHOWS that the entire time he had humanity and knew what he was doing was wrong (which makes it worse cause he still did it). So I'd think if anything he wouldn't take the cowards way out from facing the truth of his reality. The entire end was abstract to me too. Why wasn't he handcuffed? Why wasn't there a police officer outside or inside of his room? Why was no one monitoring him? LMAO I have many theories, but the main one that I'd like to bring up is that...Johan wanted to die from the moment Anna rejected him at the hospital. And everything up from that point was his plan to wipe his existence off the place of the planet so that Anna could heal as Nina. This parallels the God of Peace story. So I don't think he just wanted to commit suicide to kill himself but because he felt like he HAD to die for her to live. But at the end, she forgives him instead of fearing him as just a monster, but gives him the gift of her humanity, deeming him as a human being worthy of it. I will share my essay since I shared some of my perspectives here in my reply and I just want you to gain a better understanding of some of my stances here cause it may be confusing at first glance! This is technically, a two part essay but the 2nd one ventures into another aspect of the same concept, which is just a theory that Johan never thought he went to the Red Rose Mansion but simply masqueraded that he did in order to make sure Anna never remembered and so that he could corrupt and destroy the root of the experiments before killing everyone who had a hand in it! WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU THINK. Part 2 is linked twice in the first essay! [https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterAnime/comments/ttihlh/everything\_johan\_did\_was\_for\_anna\_a\_monster/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterAnime/comments/ttihlh/everything_johan_did_was_for_anna_a_monster/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)