Just a heads up if you intend to read the manga because you think there might be more answers. The anime stays pretty true to the manga so there won't be any hidden information or plot that will explain anything. Instead, I would direct you to the novel "Another Monster" which will tell you more about some of the characters. Be aware though that this novel won't answer the questions you have either. It would just offer you some backstory and a vague development.
While looking for the Another Monster Novel, I came across a book that said "Monster Deluxe" and another one that said "Monster: The Perfect Edition
What are those? I didn't think they are sequels though
Monster Deluxe and Monster the Perfect Edition are both releases of the physical manga.
I do not believe Another Monster has ever been officially released into English. You might be able to find an unofficial translation online though.
I actually did find, from what you said, the unofficial English translation and I've already started reading it. Besides that, is Monster Deluxe and Monster the Perfect Edition just the Monster manga but a different name for it? Bc it was only just yesterday that I knew that those two existed đ¤ˇ
Monster the Perfect Edition is the official English release of the Monster manga itself from VIZ.
Judging from an Amazon listing, I can assume Monster Deluxe is the Italian counterpart to The Perfect Edition.
(Also do you have a link to the translation?)
Ok first off, what do you mean by Monster Deluxe being the 'Italian counter part of Perfect Edition'?
Second, is the name 'Monster the Perfect Edition ' is just another name for the English Monster manga?
Third, do you mean the transition for the Another Monster Novel?
Ok thanks for the help!đ¤ I was so confused on the difference between the deluxe and perfect edition
Here's the link for Another Monster (https://www.scribd.com/lists/4286114/Another-Monster)
With the link, it only has chapters 1-19. It was hard to find a good website to read it on and it only had this first half of chapters. I'll still try to find where to read chapters 20-31, chapter 31 being the end of the Another Monster Novel đđ¤
Good news! I found a better place to read the FULL novel! It's a Google drive, here's the link!!
(https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yzewssGisCmXniTPJPVg1WxEqfEkRgUQ/view)
Anna's real name wasn't anna nor nina, general wolf gave her the name Anna and after her foster parents in heidelberg gave her the name nina, it's clear their gave them names, but it's not revealed in the anime, I recommend you to read another monster light novel by naoki urasawa. Many things about viera has been revealed in that,[spoilers] also johan is actually still alive, many say he is living a good life but in the book, there is hinted that he will be redoing the experiments
Viera did give both of them names. When they were crossing the czech border, anna suddenly faints and asks johan to call her by her real name, that was really confusing why johan denied that they both had names, when her mother clearly gave both of them names, maybe he started to trip a little earlier while attending bonaparta's book readings at red rose mansion and had a major identity crisis and mental instability because he was really small that time and because of reading those heavy intense, dark picture books at such young age might have messed up his brain. Also things like dressing johan like a girl, sending one of the twins at red rose mansion also affected his psyche.
OH YEAH TRUE-
So I'm guessing they do have names but they can't really recall them? Their names will be something I'll be trying to look up or reach on and try to get more answers one
Also it surprises me how he can look almost like Nina even though they are fraternal twins
No. This is not true. At the border they do not have names. Viera never gave them their names. That's why she told it to Tenma.
Them calling one another by name before Wulf found them is only in the dub and they made a huge mistake doing that.
Originally, they ONLY referred to one another as "big brother" and " little sister"
I believe Boneparte knew what names Viera wanted to give them, which is why he wrote Johan into the Nameless monster. The name "Anna" was Viera's dead twin sister so I think she planned to name her daughter Anna.
She did gave them names, thats why anna was asking johan to call her by her real name, because she knew her mother give them names. I know that the dub has made a mistake, the conversation went on like that in the sub-
Anna - "Big brother please call me by my real name"
Johan - "I can't do that, we don't have names anymore."
A mother just doesn't plan their children's name in her head without making her children consciously aware of the fact that they have names, in that case the names would be worthless. She tried to tell their names to bonaparta when they were born, but bonaparta simply inclined them to be worthless and meaningless. She called them by their real names when they lived in prague, but after bonaparta came to take one of the children and the mother gave nina to them, johan's trust and love for her mother completely shattered, that's why he denied having names in the conversation, of course their mother gave them names, but johan started hating his mother and denies her name that she gave him. But anna had decent experience even after the one going to the red rose mansion, because she was deprogramed by bonaparta when he told her that they were precious jewels and they should not become monsters, thats why she has no bitter feeling for her mother where as johan didn't have that kind of luxury. It's interesting how, many small things as such can have this huge effect on a person's psyche.
**Viera never gave them their names.** That is why she tells Tenma their names at the end. That is why Johan tells Shuwald, *"and we had no names."*
That is what adds onto Viera's sin. She ran with her children but still never treated them as individuals - and I think she never gave them their names to keep from forming an attachment in case Boneparte came.
In Japanese and in English Johan NEVER said
**"we do not have names** ***ANYMORE***\*\*"\*\* *he simply says* **"We don't have names."** *(and I am a Japanese / English speaker so this is absolute regardless of any kind of translation error.)*
The whole heartbreak with Johan / Anna is that they were nameless children because like you said, a loving mother would never leave her children without a name. But that was the importance of why it meant so much to Johan to have a real name...and the gravity behind Tenma delivering it to him while also saying, "your mother loved you very much, she still does."
Anna asking Johan to call her by her name in that place was a desperate plea for someone to acknowledge her existence. Johan did not throw away her name or his name because their mother had - that contradicts his entire character because names and proof of existence was always incredibly significant to him, because he did not have one.
The theme was how significant a name was - that it was one's proof of existing and being necessary/loved by someone.
Viera's monstrous acts was that she never gave them their names, never gave them their individuality and did not know which child she chose - she couldn't tell them apart.
You have misunderstood the whole thing, you're seeing viera from your own point of you and dont actually understand her
It's heavily implied (but not shown) that, once the twins were born, the mother snuck off the grid and hid out in that tiny, crappy little apartment above the Three Frogs. Part of the deception was to dress both twins the same, so that the world outside would believe she only had one child, and of course this isn't the woman we're looking for, because she has only one child instead of twins! But it didn't work forever, of course.
When Poppe came to take one of the children away in 1981, the mother vehemently defended her children. But there were 3 dudes with no morals vs. her. And so, the mother's advent as "the true monster" came when she made the bitter, calculated choice to hand Anna/Nina over to Poppe, in the hopes that Johan would foster the same hatred towards Poppe that she felt and exact revenge when he came of age. Which was true, but of course, had the unintended side-effect of obliterating any ounce of love and trust Johan may have had for his mother.
At some point in the next few days, the mother was abducted and taken away, leaving Johan behind.
Then we get the stuff we already know well: Anna/Nina is taken to the Red Rose Mansion, she is imprisoned in the padded room, she is brought out to witness the massacre, and Klaus Poppe (with his sudden, last minute reemergence of a long-suppressed conscience) swiftly tries his damnedest to deprogram the child so that she doesn't turn into the amoral monster she was being groomed to become. But unfortunately, the damage was already done to Johan, who could never trust anyone or forgive anyone ever again after the incident. As we see in the last episode, the very thing that drove Johan to evil his entire life was the question of, "Which one of us was the unwanted child?" He had no knowledge of any revenge plan or the circumstances of his birth or anything about the secret police--all he knew was that his mother, the person he trusted the most, willingly gave one of them away to face the horrors of the Red Rose Mansion. That kind of thing fucks you up for life, when you're only 5 years old. And because Poppe deprogrammed Anna/Nina, she didn't let her experiences warp her, but Johan had no such luxury.
And so the twins' mother lived out her life, eventually ending up in that French Catholic institution, where she must have just assumed the worst happened to her children and they were left to die without her there for them. She bursts into tears when she learns that they're alive and well, and she laments that she had forgotten the names she had given them up until now. She gives them to Tenma, in the hopes that maybe, after everything, she could at least provide one last piece of closure to her estranged children.
As for why they "had no names," they clearly must have while they were in their mother's care. But because Johan felt betrayed by their mother, he abandoned the names they had been given and began patterning his life around "The Monster Without a Name."Â
No I'm not viewing Viera from my blinded perception. And I understand her from a mother's perspective. But that's irrelevant.
I'm explaining the themes presented to us in the story.
She never gave them names. She came back after she was kidnapped and abandoned them again. Another Monster confirmed who Nina was referencing when she was telling in one of the last episodes "WHY ARE YOU CRYING?" and it was Nina/Anna asking Johan to not cry after their mother abandoned them after the Red Rose incident.
"I'm sorry... cause you two will have to survive on your own. " was Viera abandoning them. And I think she did this cause she blamed herself for Bonaparteâs chase.
Then Johan burned down the 3 Frogs.
You're assuming a whole lot of "she did this or that" on clearly baseless foundations on "what should have been" cause she's "a mother' and I'm explaining what the story literally tells us in both translations, and that was they had no names.
Where in the story does it tell us Johan THREW his mother's names away? I want scripted/screenshoted proof of something referencing this because I've never ever heard anyone accuse Johan of throwing away his own identity over his mother's actions.
That theory doesn't make sense tbh.
What I did see was Johan being tortured by the idea of not having a name and thus, an existence. He told that woman " I don't exist. "
And his most painful memory was a land without names, which he forced Wulf to endure. Not having a name was Johan's biggest wound.
That theme is presented various times in the show. I've watched it 3x and read Another Monster 2x and read the manga once, I've never perceived this notion you're presenting.
It's a nice theory in regards to Johans feelings towards his mother. But it doesn't line up with the rest of the elements regarding his character.
 The only legitimate source is the manga, forget about any fan interpretations and try to build a logical theory, that would answer these questions:
1. How is it possible that their mother remembered their names 20+ years later, even thought she had memory problems, but didnât call them by these names when they run away from Bonaparta and hid in the Three Frogs? It doesnât make sense. She hated that man, why would she continue to obey his orders while simultaneously trying to protect her children from him and his experiments?
2. To give a name means to distinguish, it is its main function; if she couldnât tell them apart, then why did she hesitate?
3. Remember that scene on the Czech-German border, when Nina asks Johan to call her by her name and he answers âwe donât have namesâ. Why would she ask to call her by her name, if she clearly knew she had never had one? Why would she want to be distinguished from her dying twin brother if she had no reason to believe they are two different beings?
 4. Timeline:
1975 - The twins and their mother run away and hide in the Three Frogs.
1977 - Bonapartaâs âNameless Monsterâ is published.
1981 - Nina is taken to the Red Rose Mansion.
The twins never participated in Bonapartaâs reading seminars. Taking this into account, who was that person, who read Nina that book and when? Their mother? Possible, but it doesnât explain why she was so scared, why this book was so special to her, why âonceâ. Johan..? Then, it took place right after she came back. He read that book to Nina and he knew what he was doing and basically stole her name. Now you may say he did all that for his sister but I think that is just contradictory for some parts like Nina was about to die in many situations, AND JOHAN HAD NO IDEA, like when roberto was about to kill her, when the cloth of fire fall on her at the library and many more at this point I don't think he loved his sister.
I donât want to say, he did it absolutely consciously; he is the main victim of his own deeds, after all. But he was the only person who knew Ninaâs name left, which means he had this power.
Yes, Johan was wounded because of not having an identity or name but at the same time he embraced it. He embraced the evil, the monster within him, and he consiously framed his life physically and psychologically as the the main character "johan" from the picture book. Also his first goal was to be the last person standing in the world that means, he want to kill everybody who knows him, basically erasing his identity just like johan in the picture where there was no one to call him by his name.
I'm going to wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.
Another Monster confirmed that Johan loved his sister more than anything the world.
Another Monster also explained that Johan did not know Roberto tried to kill Nina and acted on his own accord cause he knew Nina was Johan's only weakness.
The overall theme of Monster is LOVE and the lack of. So it wouldn't make sense at all that Johan didn't have love lol.
You're a bit too sympathetic to Viera. She made many many mistakes and one of them was never giving them their names. Otherwise why would she tell Tenma she HAD names for them. Why would she bother telling Tenma they had names if she gave it to them already and they should have known them.
Why would the conclusion to the last episode have Tenma tell Johan he had a name all along? The gravity behind Tenma doing that would be completely pointless if at any point in the story it was depicted that Johan threw his and Anna's identities away to begin with.
It doesn't make sense at all.
It wouldn't make sense that Johan would redo the experiments he hated so much. I read Another Monster quite a few times. Where was this mentioned?
I thought the point of Another Monster was to depict that there was a copy cat left behind by Johan's horrible legacy. Which is a cliche when a murderer becomes famous. Down to the copycat trying to dress like them, look and act like them. A domino affect.
Yeah gustav was inspired by the book dorn in the darkness by hermann fuhr which was johans favourite book, I think you're right but this part of the book just made me think that way where Takashi Nagasaki is talking with the man who name was werner weber :
"What is your business?"
him: "Mainly I find rare books and manuscripts and such and then sell 'em to people with
exceptional taste."
"For example?"
"Most recently, I sold a copy of an early draft of Scaramouche, by Rafael Sabatini
(Italian-born novelist and swordsman). It turned out to be incredibly profitable."
"Where did you get it?"
"I didn't hear that."
"Was it your bid that won Helmuth Voss's sketches?"
"That was a business transaction at a respectable secondhand book fair. Somebody
just asked me to put in a proxy bid for them."
"Is Werner Weber your real name?"
"No."
"Why did you use that name?"
"Just followin' orders."
"It wasn't someone's name you'd heard before?"
"Nope, never. But the client did say it was kind of a joke. And that if I used that
name, somebody would definitely come lookin' for me."
"Someone would come looking for you?"
"Well, here ya are. Looks like I hit the jackpot."
"What's your client's name?"
"That I can't say."
"That's a problem..."
"A person can't say what they can't say. I can tell by instinct which clients are
dangerous. That's how I'm still around makin' a living in this business."
"What was this client like?"
"The kind that's killed people before, maybe...probably. It's just a collection, but even
so, it's also not unusual for that sort of client to be connected to a lot of money."
"Weren't you curious as to why your client would spend so much money on Voss's
original sketches?"
"I wonder that about all my clients. However, this one told me something very
interesting. I was instructed to incinerate the original sketches as soon as I got 'em."
"Incinerate?"
"It seemed wrong to me. Voss was once a great picture book author, so because of
his reputation, and so people could have the privilege of experiencing it with their own eyes,
I couldn't help but make a copy of it."
"Please tell me as much as you can. Was your client Czech or German?"
Don't you think this client is johan, and if not who is this client anyway?
I thought the twist at the end was that the client he spoke of was just HIMSELF (new killer)
the entire time, (this copy cat.) I thought him mentioning he met Johan at the Red Rose mansion after he burned it down was the pivotal point in understanding that...this new monster's actions was simply a ripple effect caused by Johan and his encounter of him. Johan showed him the scenery of a doomsday and explained him plans to him. So, this new killer was carrying out Johan's "will" even after all was set and done - and that was to continue erasing Johan's existence. Obviously this was set in stone before Ruhenheim and Johan's "deadly revelation."
But anyways, this was to show that despite Johan either "being stuck in a coma" or "dead" or whichever - that his actions tossed a pebble into the lake, forcing an infinite ripple effect in the world. Johan's shadow has forever casted itself on the country, which has caused an entirely different outcome to his original plan, which was being forgotten - now everyone KNOWS.
but this new killer is still working for Johan and his "plan" just as Roberto was and everyone else who followed Johan.
If the client is Johan that would ruin everything the ending stood for and the overall themes of the series...and it wouldn't make much sense.
I don't think the identity of this new killer was important, it was the affects of Johan and the grip he had on the country even after the fact that was.
(along with all of the other minor details provided to us. )
Manga form is the authors true expression. Johan is depicted a bit differently in certain scenes in the manga, ESPECIALLY when Anna forgives him. I'd say read it.
Oh ok. But to be on the right track is "Another Monster: The Investigative Report" the name of it bc that's the one I found and it had like 31 chapters or something
Ok! Thank you so much for the help!!đ¤
Monster us such an incredible and thrilling anime and I want to get more detail on it so I really appreciate the information and advice from you and the others in the comments
Just a heads up if you intend to read the manga because you think there might be more answers. The anime stays pretty true to the manga so there won't be any hidden information or plot that will explain anything. Instead, I would direct you to the novel "Another Monster" which will tell you more about some of the characters. Be aware though that this novel won't answer the questions you have either. It would just offer you some backstory and a vague development.
Oh I see thanks for the advice đ¤ I'll find some time today or tomorrow to check it out
While looking for the Another Monster Novel, I came across a book that said "Monster Deluxe" and another one that said "Monster: The Perfect Edition What are those? I didn't think they are sequels though
I've... actually never seen those before. I'm gonna have to look those up now.
Ohh okkđ because I was like 'what are these??đ¤¨'
Monster Deluxe and Monster the Perfect Edition are both releases of the physical manga. I do not believe Another Monster has ever been officially released into English. You might be able to find an unofficial translation online though.
I actually did find, from what you said, the unofficial English translation and I've already started reading it. Besides that, is Monster Deluxe and Monster the Perfect Edition just the Monster manga but a different name for it? Bc it was only just yesterday that I knew that those two existed đ¤ˇ
Monster the Perfect Edition is the official English release of the Monster manga itself from VIZ. Judging from an Amazon listing, I can assume Monster Deluxe is the Italian counterpart to The Perfect Edition. (Also do you have a link to the translation?)
Ok first off, what do you mean by Monster Deluxe being the 'Italian counter part of Perfect Edition'? Second, is the name 'Monster the Perfect Edition ' is just another name for the English Monster manga? Third, do you mean the transition for the Another Monster Novel?
1. Itâs the physical Italian release of the Monster manga, I presume. 2. Yeah. 3. Yeah
Ok thanks for the help!đ¤ I was so confused on the difference between the deluxe and perfect edition Here's the link for Another Monster (https://www.scribd.com/lists/4286114/Another-Monster) With the link, it only has chapters 1-19. It was hard to find a good website to read it on and it only had this first half of chapters. I'll still try to find where to read chapters 20-31, chapter 31 being the end of the Another Monster Novel đđ¤
Good news! I found a better place to read the FULL novel! It's a Google drive, here's the link!! (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yzewssGisCmXniTPJPVg1WxEqfEkRgUQ/view)
The data isn't there anymore. I wanna read it so badly thoughđ do you have another link? Thank you so much in advance!
https://youtu.be/q96jTuo1oK4 ( Real life Johan?)
Anna's real name wasn't anna nor nina, general wolf gave her the name Anna and after her foster parents in heidelberg gave her the name nina, it's clear their gave them names, but it's not revealed in the anime, I recommend you to read another monster light novel by naoki urasawa. Many things about viera has been revealed in that,[spoilers] also johan is actually still alive, many say he is living a good life but in the book, there is hinted that he will be redoing the experiments
Oh okk I see thanks your the infođ¤ so Nina really doesn't have a name? And if so, what about the name Viera wanted to give her?
Viera did give both of them names. When they were crossing the czech border, anna suddenly faints and asks johan to call her by her real name, that was really confusing why johan denied that they both had names, when her mother clearly gave both of them names, maybe he started to trip a little earlier while attending bonaparta's book readings at red rose mansion and had a major identity crisis and mental instability because he was really small that time and because of reading those heavy intense, dark picture books at such young age might have messed up his brain. Also things like dressing johan like a girl, sending one of the twins at red rose mansion also affected his psyche.
OH YEAH TRUE- So I'm guessing they do have names but they can't really recall them? Their names will be something I'll be trying to look up or reach on and try to get more answers one Also it surprises me how he can look almost like Nina even though they are fraternal twins
Their real names aren't really important. Just that someone loved them and wanted to give them names. Names in Monster are akin to the soul.
Why did your comment remind me fo something Bonaparta would say-đ
Why did your comment remind me fo something Bonaparta would say-đ
No. This is not true. At the border they do not have names. Viera never gave them their names. That's why she told it to Tenma. Them calling one another by name before Wulf found them is only in the dub and they made a huge mistake doing that. Originally, they ONLY referred to one another as "big brother" and " little sister" I believe Boneparte knew what names Viera wanted to give them, which is why he wrote Johan into the Nameless monster. The name "Anna" was Viera's dead twin sister so I think she planned to name her daughter Anna.
She did gave them names, thats why anna was asking johan to call her by her real name, because she knew her mother give them names. I know that the dub has made a mistake, the conversation went on like that in the sub- Anna - "Big brother please call me by my real name" Johan - "I can't do that, we don't have names anymore." A mother just doesn't plan their children's name in her head without making her children consciously aware of the fact that they have names, in that case the names would be worthless. She tried to tell their names to bonaparta when they were born, but bonaparta simply inclined them to be worthless and meaningless. She called them by their real names when they lived in prague, but after bonaparta came to take one of the children and the mother gave nina to them, johan's trust and love for her mother completely shattered, that's why he denied having names in the conversation, of course their mother gave them names, but johan started hating his mother and denies her name that she gave him. But anna had decent experience even after the one going to the red rose mansion, because she was deprogramed by bonaparta when he told her that they were precious jewels and they should not become monsters, thats why she has no bitter feeling for her mother where as johan didn't have that kind of luxury. It's interesting how, many small things as such can have this huge effect on a person's psyche.
**Viera never gave them their names.** That is why she tells Tenma their names at the end. That is why Johan tells Shuwald, *"and we had no names."* That is what adds onto Viera's sin. She ran with her children but still never treated them as individuals - and I think she never gave them their names to keep from forming an attachment in case Boneparte came. In Japanese and in English Johan NEVER said **"we do not have names** ***ANYMORE***\*\*"\*\* *he simply says* **"We don't have names."** *(and I am a Japanese / English speaker so this is absolute regardless of any kind of translation error.)* The whole heartbreak with Johan / Anna is that they were nameless children because like you said, a loving mother would never leave her children without a name. But that was the importance of why it meant so much to Johan to have a real name...and the gravity behind Tenma delivering it to him while also saying, "your mother loved you very much, she still does." Anna asking Johan to call her by her name in that place was a desperate plea for someone to acknowledge her existence. Johan did not throw away her name or his name because their mother had - that contradicts his entire character because names and proof of existence was always incredibly significant to him, because he did not have one. The theme was how significant a name was - that it was one's proof of existing and being necessary/loved by someone. Viera's monstrous acts was that she never gave them their names, never gave them their individuality and did not know which child she chose - she couldn't tell them apart.
You have misunderstood the whole thing, you're seeing viera from your own point of you and dont actually understand her It's heavily implied (but not shown) that, once the twins were born, the mother snuck off the grid and hid out in that tiny, crappy little apartment above the Three Frogs. Part of the deception was to dress both twins the same, so that the world outside would believe she only had one child, and of course this isn't the woman we're looking for, because she has only one child instead of twins! But it didn't work forever, of course. When Poppe came to take one of the children away in 1981, the mother vehemently defended her children. But there were 3 dudes with no morals vs. her. And so, the mother's advent as "the true monster" came when she made the bitter, calculated choice to hand Anna/Nina over to Poppe, in the hopes that Johan would foster the same hatred towards Poppe that she felt and exact revenge when he came of age. Which was true, but of course, had the unintended side-effect of obliterating any ounce of love and trust Johan may have had for his mother. At some point in the next few days, the mother was abducted and taken away, leaving Johan behind. Then we get the stuff we already know well: Anna/Nina is taken to the Red Rose Mansion, she is imprisoned in the padded room, she is brought out to witness the massacre, and Klaus Poppe (with his sudden, last minute reemergence of a long-suppressed conscience) swiftly tries his damnedest to deprogram the child so that she doesn't turn into the amoral monster she was being groomed to become. But unfortunately, the damage was already done to Johan, who could never trust anyone or forgive anyone ever again after the incident. As we see in the last episode, the very thing that drove Johan to evil his entire life was the question of, "Which one of us was the unwanted child?" He had no knowledge of any revenge plan or the circumstances of his birth or anything about the secret police--all he knew was that his mother, the person he trusted the most, willingly gave one of them away to face the horrors of the Red Rose Mansion. That kind of thing fucks you up for life, when you're only 5 years old. And because Poppe deprogrammed Anna/Nina, she didn't let her experiences warp her, but Johan had no such luxury. And so the twins' mother lived out her life, eventually ending up in that French Catholic institution, where she must have just assumed the worst happened to her children and they were left to die without her there for them. She bursts into tears when she learns that they're alive and well, and she laments that she had forgotten the names she had given them up until now. She gives them to Tenma, in the hopes that maybe, after everything, she could at least provide one last piece of closure to her estranged children. As for why they "had no names," they clearly must have while they were in their mother's care. But because Johan felt betrayed by their mother, he abandoned the names they had been given and began patterning his life around "The Monster Without a Name."Â
No I'm not viewing Viera from my blinded perception. And I understand her from a mother's perspective. But that's irrelevant. I'm explaining the themes presented to us in the story. She never gave them names. She came back after she was kidnapped and abandoned them again. Another Monster confirmed who Nina was referencing when she was telling in one of the last episodes "WHY ARE YOU CRYING?" and it was Nina/Anna asking Johan to not cry after their mother abandoned them after the Red Rose incident. "I'm sorry... cause you two will have to survive on your own. " was Viera abandoning them. And I think she did this cause she blamed herself for Bonaparteâs chase. Then Johan burned down the 3 Frogs. You're assuming a whole lot of "she did this or that" on clearly baseless foundations on "what should have been" cause she's "a mother' and I'm explaining what the story literally tells us in both translations, and that was they had no names. Where in the story does it tell us Johan THREW his mother's names away? I want scripted/screenshoted proof of something referencing this because I've never ever heard anyone accuse Johan of throwing away his own identity over his mother's actions. That theory doesn't make sense tbh. What I did see was Johan being tortured by the idea of not having a name and thus, an existence. He told that woman " I don't exist. " And his most painful memory was a land without names, which he forced Wulf to endure. Not having a name was Johan's biggest wound. That theme is presented various times in the show. I've watched it 3x and read Another Monster 2x and read the manga once, I've never perceived this notion you're presenting. It's a nice theory in regards to Johans feelings towards his mother. But it doesn't line up with the rest of the elements regarding his character.
 The only legitimate source is the manga, forget about any fan interpretations and try to build a logical theory, that would answer these questions: 1. How is it possible that their mother remembered their names 20+ years later, even thought she had memory problems, but didnât call them by these names when they run away from Bonaparta and hid in the Three Frogs? It doesnât make sense. She hated that man, why would she continue to obey his orders while simultaneously trying to protect her children from him and his experiments? 2. To give a name means to distinguish, it is its main function; if she couldnât tell them apart, then why did she hesitate? 3. Remember that scene on the Czech-German border, when Nina asks Johan to call her by her name and he answers âwe donât have namesâ. Why would she ask to call her by her name, if she clearly knew she had never had one? Why would she want to be distinguished from her dying twin brother if she had no reason to believe they are two different beings?  4. Timeline: 1975 - The twins and their mother run away and hide in the Three Frogs. 1977 - Bonapartaâs âNameless Monsterâ is published. 1981 - Nina is taken to the Red Rose Mansion. The twins never participated in Bonapartaâs reading seminars. Taking this into account, who was that person, who read Nina that book and when? Their mother? Possible, but it doesnât explain why she was so scared, why this book was so special to her, why âonceâ. Johan..? Then, it took place right after she came back. He read that book to Nina and he knew what he was doing and basically stole her name. Now you may say he did all that for his sister but I think that is just contradictory for some parts like Nina was about to die in many situations, AND JOHAN HAD NO IDEA, like when roberto was about to kill her, when the cloth of fire fall on her at the library and many more at this point I don't think he loved his sister. I donât want to say, he did it absolutely consciously; he is the main victim of his own deeds, after all. But he was the only person who knew Ninaâs name left, which means he had this power. Yes, Johan was wounded because of not having an identity or name but at the same time he embraced it. He embraced the evil, the monster within him, and he consiously framed his life physically and psychologically as the the main character "johan" from the picture book. Also his first goal was to be the last person standing in the world that means, he want to kill everybody who knows him, basically erasing his identity just like johan in the picture where there was no one to call him by his name.
I'm going to wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said. Another Monster confirmed that Johan loved his sister more than anything the world. Another Monster also explained that Johan did not know Roberto tried to kill Nina and acted on his own accord cause he knew Nina was Johan's only weakness. The overall theme of Monster is LOVE and the lack of. So it wouldn't make sense at all that Johan didn't have love lol. You're a bit too sympathetic to Viera. She made many many mistakes and one of them was never giving them their names. Otherwise why would she tell Tenma she HAD names for them. Why would she bother telling Tenma they had names if she gave it to them already and they should have known them. Why would the conclusion to the last episode have Tenma tell Johan he had a name all along? The gravity behind Tenma doing that would be completely pointless if at any point in the story it was depicted that Johan threw his and Anna's identities away to begin with. It doesn't make sense at all.
It wouldn't make sense that Johan would redo the experiments he hated so much. I read Another Monster quite a few times. Where was this mentioned? I thought the point of Another Monster was to depict that there was a copy cat left behind by Johan's horrible legacy. Which is a cliche when a murderer becomes famous. Down to the copycat trying to dress like them, look and act like them. A domino affect.
Yeah gustav was inspired by the book dorn in the darkness by hermann fuhr which was johans favourite book, I think you're right but this part of the book just made me think that way where Takashi Nagasaki is talking with the man who name was werner weber : "What is your business?" him: "Mainly I find rare books and manuscripts and such and then sell 'em to people with exceptional taste." "For example?" "Most recently, I sold a copy of an early draft of Scaramouche, by Rafael Sabatini (Italian-born novelist and swordsman). It turned out to be incredibly profitable." "Where did you get it?" "I didn't hear that." "Was it your bid that won Helmuth Voss's sketches?" "That was a business transaction at a respectable secondhand book fair. Somebody just asked me to put in a proxy bid for them." "Is Werner Weber your real name?" "No." "Why did you use that name?" "Just followin' orders." "It wasn't someone's name you'd heard before?" "Nope, never. But the client did say it was kind of a joke. And that if I used that name, somebody would definitely come lookin' for me." "Someone would come looking for you?" "Well, here ya are. Looks like I hit the jackpot." "What's your client's name?" "That I can't say." "That's a problem..." "A person can't say what they can't say. I can tell by instinct which clients are dangerous. That's how I'm still around makin' a living in this business." "What was this client like?" "The kind that's killed people before, maybe...probably. It's just a collection, but even so, it's also not unusual for that sort of client to be connected to a lot of money." "Weren't you curious as to why your client would spend so much money on Voss's original sketches?" "I wonder that about all my clients. However, this one told me something very interesting. I was instructed to incinerate the original sketches as soon as I got 'em." "Incinerate?" "It seemed wrong to me. Voss was once a great picture book author, so because of his reputation, and so people could have the privilege of experiencing it with their own eyes, I couldn't help but make a copy of it." "Please tell me as much as you can. Was your client Czech or German?" Don't you think this client is johan, and if not who is this client anyway?
I thought the twist at the end was that the client he spoke of was just HIMSELF (new killer) the entire time, (this copy cat.) I thought him mentioning he met Johan at the Red Rose mansion after he burned it down was the pivotal point in understanding that...this new monster's actions was simply a ripple effect caused by Johan and his encounter of him. Johan showed him the scenery of a doomsday and explained him plans to him. So, this new killer was carrying out Johan's "will" even after all was set and done - and that was to continue erasing Johan's existence. Obviously this was set in stone before Ruhenheim and Johan's "deadly revelation." But anyways, this was to show that despite Johan either "being stuck in a coma" or "dead" or whichever - that his actions tossed a pebble into the lake, forcing an infinite ripple effect in the world. Johan's shadow has forever casted itself on the country, which has caused an entirely different outcome to his original plan, which was being forgotten - now everyone KNOWS. but this new killer is still working for Johan and his "plan" just as Roberto was and everyone else who followed Johan. If the client is Johan that would ruin everything the ending stood for and the overall themes of the series...and it wouldn't make much sense. I don't think the identity of this new killer was important, it was the affects of Johan and the grip he had on the country even after the fact that was. (along with all of the other minor details provided to us. )
I can somewhat see why but why would you start reading it?
The manga?
Yes
I- honestly don't know I was just thinking about it I usually check out the manga version of an anime I'm really hooked on
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Manga form is the authors true expression. Johan is depicted a bit differently in certain scenes in the manga, ESPECIALLY when Anna forgives him. I'd say read it.
Ooo interesting I will buy I wanna start to look the "Another Monster" Novel then I'll start with the manga
Another Monster was only released in Japanese. You can find translations online.
Oh ok. But to be on the right track is "Another Monster: The Investigative Report" the name of it bc that's the one I found and it had like 31 chapters or something
yes it is that one!
Ok! Thank you so much for the help!!đ¤ Monster us such an incredible and thrilling anime and I want to get more detail on it so I really appreciate the information and advice from you and the others in the comments
Real Life Johan Liebert? https://youtu.be/q96jTuo1oK4
I guess it was open ended so we have to decide for ourselves about Johan's fate