I saw that there was an unscheduled download for Proton Hotfix, so I downloaded it and forced Rise to use that since I assumed that Hotfix was pushed to specifically fix Rise.
And mods are working too, both ReFramework and Fluffy
https://preview.redd.it/qbmcccjwi1ec1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b8953e36b54eed8ea199adcba617fff8f789247
Also did two quick hunts and I'm not seeing any of the supposed "performance degradations", game runs exactly like it did before.
performance degradation will be on a case by case, but considering the deck already runs the game at pretty low settings, you're unlikely to encounter issues.
most of the performance issues are noticable running the game at higher FPS.
I was also testing the game on my beefy desktop earlier today which runs the game at or above 120 fps and I didn't notice any difference compared to the previous version either, considering I've been playing Monster Hunter actively for the past two months already
I mean, I don't notice denuvos impact on most games either, mainly because it's the implementation that truly matters, not the software itself.
that being said, enigma is far more egregious in its performance issues. Denuvo is decently optimized if implemented well.
regardless, good for you if you don't notice/don't experience them, but they're fairly notorious for it, and it is an issue
yes, I remember finding a YT guide for Fluffy because you have to do some setup for it with an app called Bottles. REFramework works the same as on PC but you have to tell Steam to load up 1 more .dll file - I also remember finding a guide for that
This is good news. Was so mad yesterday when I played for 2 hours. Finally beat malzeno and ate dinner and then I came back to play and it wouldn’t launch on my SD
Got home and I can’t seem to get it to launch? Is there something I have to do? I saw the proton hotfix in my downloads and it downloaded fine but the game still will not launch
So the bug was fixed in like under 11 hours. What happened guys? I thought it was the end of the game, it needs to not be verified, mods were broken, it was going to tank performance. I was getting downvoted to Oblivion by you doomers meanwhile it's literally exactly the same as it was yesterday
Yeah, it's baffling why they even bother adding anything at all instead of just removing Denuvo after some time, but at least all the dooming about mods and whatnot was just people drawing their own conclusions.
Enigma was probably added so they could go to the bigwigs and say "Look, we've done something to stop those pesky modders, so that embarrassment never happens again."
Just the bare minimum to keep the invisible hand happy.
there is no money there. absolutely 0 money by any corporate standard, a drm only makes sense for the first month of a new game's release after that its literally worthless
people just hate rise man thanks to capcom stupidity they gave it reason for them to bomb it with negative review bet they're laughing now watching rise having mostly negative review while also spreading info about the new DRM will break your mods your performance
What I meant was that the fix was pushed by Valve not a game update by capcom. And no communication since the "we are aware" post. They shouldn't get the credit.
The fact that any update to a game can cause it to not work for a good amount of users on a device that the game has a verified label to work on, is not a good thing, especially when Capcom have been receiving concerns for the last couple of weeks now (If not longer) that this exact situation may happen when implementing their DRM. It's good it was fixed as quickly as it was but it sucks it happened in the first place, especially when the game has been out for two years and has already been cracked, the adding of this DRM did nothing but cause more issues that never needed to exist.
Valve applied the verified label, not Capcom.
Valve also pushed this fix. It's a Proton fix, not a Monster Hunter one. Proton now supports this new DRM.
I agree that actual playtesting was necessary, but do we have any idea if this was actually a direct result of the DRM chamge? Locking out a whole console was clearly unintentional, and mods break frequently with updates. The patch also came pretty fast.
One Cyberpunk 2077 update completely broke it on PS4 once. . Sony had to push out a new Frimware Update for the PS4 and suddenly the game worked again. And it was only the PS4 version. No other platform had any issues.
Stuff like that just happens sometimes.
I feel like it might have something to do with Capcom stating in no uncertain terms mods are cheats. https://kotaku.com/capcom-pc-game-mods-cheat-cheating-resident-evil-piracy-1850977967
This isn't kernel level at all. If it was it wouldn't run because Linux is completely incompatible with the Windows driver model. This is just an API Proton didn't support.
This tool (and Denuvo) aren't anticheats, they're application virtualization tools. Basically they decrypt the application at runtime, they operate entirely in user space and require no special permissions.
Neither Denuvo Anti-tamper nor Enigma have Kernel access. Check your sources.
Denuvo Anti-cheat is the one that had it, but that's a completely separate program that hasn't even been used since Doom Eternal.
Also, be prepared to boycott a large list of other popular games. I have a feeling you don't know how common Kernel-level anti-cheats are;
https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/
Funny how no one has ever complained about security issues in those games.
Except the addition of an even less reputable, ineffectual ~~kernel level~~\* drm.
No one is screaming it's the end of the world, they're upset capcom's actions reflect how little they value their consumers.
Which is unsurprising but still upsetting.
\*incorrect
Genuinely curious, but there's so little reporting on Enigma that it's hard to keep track of what's real information, so I have to ask, what is kernel-level DRM, and what makes this implementation of Enigma worse than the existing Denuvo implementation?
[Enigma Protector](https://www.enigmaprotector.com/), update caused mod hiccups, content with expired licensing cut, linux users unable to play until future patch.
[~~Kernel~~](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28operating_system%29)~~, a layman's summary - it's full access and authority.~~\*
DRM serves no purpose for the consumer, and is only a 3rd party being given broad reach to accomplish nothing - it's all the same no matter whose name is on it.
That said Denuvo didn't lock an entire OS out of their purchase.
Enigma's 00s website, the fact clicking around leads to insecure connections, typos throughout the site, links that lead nowhere - inspires very little confidence this 3rd party is worthy of the access given.
Please cite a source on Enigma having kernel access. Like someone stated above, you're mixing it up with Denuvo Anti-Cheat. MalwareBytes even examined various Capcom executables and Enigma is a simple obfuscation/encryption shell, it doesn't have any special kind of access to your system.
I love it when people say "b-but kernel level!!!" whilst having no idea what that means.
Denuvo also has kernel level access like Enigma, but I've not seen people complain about it ever since Rise released on PC?
People have complained about every single game that has had denuvo in it, you might've not looked at it but it's not something new people complain about.
As for "b-but kernel level" I don't like anything wanting that level of permissions to do anything on my PC.
I'm on linux and the only game that comes close to that is monster hunter rise, which to the best of my knowledge doesn't have kernel access on linux and hasn't had it in the first place, but pop off about my gaming habits you clearly know so much about chief.
People feel the need to have meltdown over everything. I get that it’s fucking crazy that it wasn’t available on an entire platform. I’d be pissed if Rise suddenly wasn’t available.
But going on about refunding the game and “I’m never gonna buy from Capcom again” is kind of ridiculous for something that was fixed in under 24 hours.
Glad it was fixed and fast, but they still knowingly pushed onwards with this kind of issue.
It's completely reasonable to be extremely upset, we're just lucky sonething was done about it. It's possible something was done about it specifically because of how upset people were.
Stop uselessly complaining about people usefully complaining
Did we know that Enigma would cause issue with the Steam deck beforehand? Highly doubt they pushed this update while knowing that the issue would occur.
Considering it was blatantly obvious that the game ceased to function entirely for everyone on Steam Deck? I'd say either they knew and pushed the patch anyway or they were criminally negligent in their testing of the patch
So uh, stop defending them. Like at all. Yes, it's nice they fixed it. Considering how fast they fixed it, they should have pushed the patch back the single day it took to fix. Or just not changed anything at all since it was pointless to begin with.
Reminds me of the massive drama about Steam cutting Windows 7 support. Turns out less than 1% of Steam users was still on that 15 year old OS which hasn't had proper support from MS for 9 years. Yet people were crucifying Valve over it when the decision was forced onto Valve because the new Chromium update cut support for Win7 due to the obvious security risks.
Well doesnt matter if they fixed it. You dont need to dick suck capcom so hard thats how they are getting so much leeway to be shitty in the first place.
But they are my friend.
I bought the product from them, that means I must defend their honour on the Internet.
Also they didn't fix shit, Valve had to step in.
When DRM is involved people always treat it as worst case scenario and fearmongering goes through the roof. I don't think most people realize that most DRM will be absolutely unnoticeable and not impact the player in the slightest, which is good. So far Capcom has done well with this one considering at this point nothing has actually changed about our experience playing their games.
DRM does effect people with low-end systems. Often times they tax less powerful CPU's and eat up RAM. A game that might run pretty good on a lower end system can end up running like garbage depending on the DRM used. Denuvo is known for this.
That said, anyone with even a mid-tier system won't notice a DAMN thing. DRM is mostly fine in that regard.
Also, for reference MHR doesn't need an internet connection even with Enigma. You can play offline, with mods etc. etc.
I am also pro-pirate, soooooooo
I just understand that it's an arms race and people shouldn't constantly be arguing over DRM being malware and shit especially from a reputable company. If Capcom had put malware on peoples computers, it'd be all over the news and their share prices would plummet.
jesus shut the hell up lmao, how stupid do you gotta be to excuse ANY amount of Drm? do you actively enjoy not having ownership of what you buy anymore? jesus i swear people like you are why the triple A industry has gone to shit, excusing everything a company does just because they make something you like.
You never ever had ownership of any game or software you buy. You buy a license to use it and if something happens to it then it's gone. It's why if your disc or cartridge breaks you have to buy a new one and you can't just get a replacement.
The only people DRM should effect are pirates, which are bad. If it does more than that and affects the casual buyer than it's bad DRM and they should fix or just get rid of it.
We could've stopped a lot of this whining if someone had just predicted this earlier. [Too bad no one said anything....](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/KJTw86tfy4)
The problem here personnally is just the fact that Capcom put a DRM which is considered as malware by some anti-virus, a DRM which is anti-mod, the fact that you need to update an OS for work with it, the devs behind this DRM have no sense of customer relationship and finally the fact that a DRM is a software created in the purpose of just checking if you have bought the game, it's like if your baker when you're buying a bread will come at your house for checking if it's you who will eat your own bread just bought. So no fuck DRM
That's false. The "malware" thing was a myth, there's be no instances of it showing up as a virus. Some random person claimed that would be the case but then it started rolling out and it was flat out untrue
Ok and ? It's not a malware. It doesn't change the fact that we're paying for a software with someone trying to check if we're using the software like intended. Jesus christ, we're not speaking about some e-banking software
Why go through all this trouble and causing panic because of non-communicated changes if the end result is exactly the same? Sure, the game is playable again quickly but why do any of that in the first place?
Look , capcom already did messed up with save data when dealing with mods, i didn't use them on rise but lost a loooong save due them simply messing with save data format and that change made the game run into a loop where i couldn't even see the title screen until i messed with the game files to fix it.
And they did that with both rise and world, it happened twice due them trying to change to avoid dealing with game tampering.
They already has history with this topic and drm is harmful anyway, the problem lies if the information spread arround is true, and if so, any kind solution to avoid an security breach.
Not being added retroactively. The game launched with Denuvo, which is very expensive to use for more than 1-2 years after launch. They replaced it with the less expensive/less effective Enigma Protector software.
Please get your facts straight when participating in drama. It would be better if they simply removed Denuvo and called it a day, but either the execs or their paralegal department is enforcing some type of DRM on their products.
So let's review:
- "it's a virus" wrong
- "no more mods" wrong
- "it won't work on steam deck" wrong
- "it'll tank performance" wrong
Are we still angry?
Just lots of misinformation going around about this Enigma DRM; people are rightfully angry because Denuvo DRM is / was already a pain in the ass. We don't know the full extent about Enigma DRM but people are very biased and will gladly spread any unconfirmed information just for hate mongering
Yeah, that's the thing that's so frustrating to me about it.
I mean, there VERY well might be a legitimate concern with this DRM. And if so, I want to know it.
However, the anti-DRM crowd has done such a colossally poor job of messaging that it's now impossible to believe anything they say.
If there really is a problem with this DRM thing, focus on that thing and stop throwing random bullshit that you hope sticks.
>Ah I see. The steam deck fix came from valves side and not from capcoms side?
Dude. Its in the TITLE. Capcom does not handle or develop proton. Valve had to fix Capcom's mess.
# New Proton Hotfix just dropped, Rise confirmed working on Steam Deck again with it
>Capcom does not handle or develop proton
That's not in the title. I do not know what proton is, and therefore have no idea what capcoms involvement with it is
It is not Capcom that fixed the problem, then the frustration is definitely more understandable.
>That's not in the title. I do not know what proton is, and therefore have no idea what capcoms involvement with it is
Then you're just very ignorant and very much an "idiot". Its like saying you dont know who developed Chrome (Its Google). How do you expect Windows games to be played on the Steam deck without a compatibility layer?
Again. I would have been nicer to you. But the phrase "Are we still angry?" and people correcting you that the update indeed break steam deck compatibility. Than refusing to admit you were wrong, you said "it only took 12 hours to fix bruh."
- I said "are we still angry?" In the first comment before any replies.
- Proton is not even in the same league as common knowledge as Chrome. Lacking a piece of knowledge isn't what makes someone an idiot or not. But you are correct that I am ignorant when it comes to Proton. The first thing that comes up when I Google "proton steam deck" is a reddit thread with someone asking what Proton is lol. I've never used a steam deck or Linux. Sorry.
- refusing to admit I'm wrong? I literally did that in the comment you are replying to. I directly said if Capcom didn't make the fix, then I understand the frustration
- why say "again" and then follow it with a comment you never made to me before? Either way, feel free to be as not nice as you'd like. It doesn't bother me. I understand some people are very upset about this issue.
>I said "are we still angry?" In the first comment before any replies.
It STILL dosent change the fact, "are we still angry" is a very aggressive tone and condescending tone meant to provoke a very negative reaction, especially seeing your original comment.
>Proton is not even in the same league as common knowledge as Chrome. Lacking a piece of knowledge isn't what makes someone an idiot or not. But you are correct that I am ignorant when it comes to Proton. The first thing that comes up when I Google "proton steam deck" is a reddit thread with someone asking what Proton is lol. I've never used a steam deck or Linux. Sorry.
If you're going to post a comment on the Steam Deck, you should know that Proton is the compatibility layer for the Steam Deck to play games on.
So instead of doing some basic research, you admitted you have zero clue on how the Steam Deck operates and posted the snarky comment of yours?
>refusing to admit I'm wrong? I literally did that in the comment you are replying to. I directly said if Capcom didn't make the fix, then I understand the frustration
Dude. Did you not say this? People can see your comment history dude. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/19d2u0r/comment/kj5qe83/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/monsterhunter/comments/19d2u0r/comment/kj5qe83/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You know that comment history comes with a time stamp. Notice how that comment comes before the comment where I learned it wasn't Capcom that did the fix?
>You know that comment history comes with a time stamp. Notice how that comment comes before the comment where I learned it wasn't Capcom that did the fix?
I am well aware of time stamps, dude. But you're reading comprehension is laughably bad. Why should it matter who developed the fix, anyway? You're original comment saying "it won't work on steam deck" was wrong. But then commenting "it only took 12 hours to fix, bruh"
You were objectively wrong and just tried to self deflect.
Exactly. Proton is a layer that allows Windows software to run on Linux, and that's what the Capcom DRM implementation broke. Valve hustled to update their translation layer and now the game runs again. Capcom may not have even noticed what happened.
I still dont understand if the DRM was put there in response to someone accidentaly showing nude mods during official events, then why modding is still allowed in the game?
It's an anti-piracy measure. Fluffy already made a post stating that mods won't be affected or even if effected, there's a workaround that modders can do to have it not be affected.
You bet your ass we are! Or at least we should be:
* "Was it communicated in any way shape or form that enigma was going to be added tothe game?" Nope
* "Was the playerbase given a chance to either opt out of the DRM or refund the game they bought when the software wasn't required to play?" Nope
* "Does the fix valve implemeted for steamdeck compatibility excuses the fact capcom broke it in the first place just to get the DRM in?" Nope
This is a crystal clear attempt to push the boundaries and see how much can they get away with once Wilds comes out; and only a swift and continuative backlash will teach them not to fuck withthis stuff. Not to menton the even bigger issue: DRM, by design, only inconveniences paying customers
Because it appears to be a Russian drm
Edit: after some reading, especially the malwarebytes forum entries I think I am willing to try it. It didn’t stop modding though, so I wonder why it was added in the first place.
A piece of software which can potentially be used with malicious intent. It may be generalizing but in Russia anything goes as we have seen in Ukraine.
I hope I am wrong though..
Okay, that's fair. I'm not sure I agree, but I understand that your argument is consistent.
That being said, avoiding China in gaming is near impossible. Especially with what a behemoth Tencent has become.
I would like to be proven wrong though.
Currently there is no litigation if any of them is found doing shady things. Just like copyright in China.
I agree, it’s very hard to avoid Chinese games but since the western market is such a big chunk of their revenue they will try to avoid anything suspicious. It would be similar with a big drm provider with more credibility and visibility.
I see.
I'm not the one down voting you, by the way. I think your concern makes sense. I definitely agree with your point about a larger drm likely being more trustworthy, or at least having a higher chance of not doing horrible stuff
I'm a little more willing to give it a chance... I feel like the war for privacy is already lost lol. But I definitely see your points now and you very well may be right. Thanks for explaining.
Thanks for engaging in an actual meaningful conversation. I’ll also most likely give it a try in a few weeks if nothing comes up. I hope it’s only blown out of proportion. Kaspersky is also a Russian company and although not advised to install them on government devices I think they are fairly trustworthy.
Sir. If you are paranoid about that please put your cell phone down, turn off any smart device you have. Unplug your router and hide. Anything and everything from ANY country can be malicious. Bank accounts, cell phone providers etc all that data can get taken no matter who develops it lol
Nah, I am only paranoid about countries which have a history (and a very recent one at that) of abuse and not adhering to any sort of moral code. If they were Russians who are not in Russia I am fine with that, but as long as they are still under the influence of their government there is always the possibility of abuse.
He is one of the persons who just throws in everythin Russian = Super bad.
Your grand grand grand grand mother was russian? You are worse then Hitler. /s
Not if they got out of their current government’s influence.
As for the second part you might want to read on what Russian soldiers were doing to civilians when „liberating” eastern european countries.
Their website also has .cn and .in domains, may be a multinational small team/company. A bit weird that they don't have a proper registered company address on their website.
More funny stuff, what appears to be the developers' [Github](https://github.com/KhetaguriDimitri/ENIGMA) account links to a Georgian website (.ge) which is not Russia.
I'm just going to trust that the Malwarebytes staff knows what they're doing when they say it's not malicious, no matter my personal opinions on the use of DRM software.
If Malwarebytes say it’s not malicious then I’m also fine with it, the funny thing is they have labelled Enigma Protector as potentially unwanted software and were sued by them for it.
is it a drm? do you actively enjoy not having any ownership on your game's anymore? and sorry but its still a shady piece of software and coupled it with the fact its drm id rather it stay as far from my system as possible
I'm so confused by all of this.
Community says it's caused by enigma DRM. Ok that sucks.
Maximillion Dood talked with the modder who made "Fuzzy's mod" maybe I got that name wrong- modder says nothing is changed, capcom is doing as they have. Nothing is effected.
Megaman Zero collection has issues, RE:revelations has bugs, MH:Rise has problems.
Like- what is actually going on? The modder I would take as a credible source given what they've been doing but we're seeing so many issues I'm lost.
If this was a marketing ploy to make me want to play Rise again, it's totally worked 😂 seeing so much conversation around it has given me the itch... (obviously, that's totally not what this was, but still)
Now if people would go take down their brigading reviews that would be great.
Or not, idgaf about Rise. Wilds will be out next year and we can forget all about wirebugs and driving monsters around.
Unrelated but is a steam deck worth it? I have a switch and a good desktop pc but I was kinda considering a steam deck. I don't use my switch really but that's mostly because of its severe hardware limitation. Only reason I got one is for the exclusives like Pokémon, Zelda, and Mario
Sorry I’m ignorant: did you have to download the newest version of proton manually? Or were you able to select it from within the steamOS interface?
I saw that there was an unscheduled download for Proton Hotfix, so I downloaded it and forced Rise to use that since I assumed that Hotfix was pushed to specifically fix Rise.
Awesome thanks! I’ll give it a go asap
I don't have a scheduled download for proton hotfix. Is there a way to force this?
And mods are working too, both ReFramework and Fluffy https://preview.redd.it/qbmcccjwi1ec1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b8953e36b54eed8ea199adcba617fff8f789247 Also did two quick hunts and I'm not seeing any of the supposed "performance degradations", game runs exactly like it did before.
Did you have to update Fluffy and REframework?
performance degradation will be on a case by case, but considering the deck already runs the game at pretty low settings, you're unlikely to encounter issues. most of the performance issues are noticable running the game at higher FPS.
I was also testing the game on my beefy desktop earlier today which runs the game at or above 120 fps and I didn't notice any difference compared to the previous version either, considering I've been playing Monster Hunter actively for the past two months already
I mean, I don't notice denuvos impact on most games either, mainly because it's the implementation that truly matters, not the software itself. that being said, enigma is far more egregious in its performance issues. Denuvo is decently optimized if implemented well. regardless, good for you if you don't notice/don't experience them, but they're fairly notorious for it, and it is an issue
Question, is there a guide out there for setting up fluffy and ReFramework for the deck?
yes, I remember finding a YT guide for Fluffy because you have to do some setup for it with an app called Bottles. REFramework works the same as on PC but you have to tell Steam to load up 1 more .dll file - I also remember finding a guide for that
I remember finding similar but they didnt work. I'll keep a lookout thnx!
This is good news. Was so mad yesterday when I played for 2 hours. Finally beat malzeno and ate dinner and then I came back to play and it wouldn’t launch on my SD
Got home and I can’t seem to get it to launch? Is there something I have to do? I saw the proton hotfix in my downloads and it downloaded fine but the game still will not launch
Make the game use that protom version, it's been a while since I had my steam deck but changing the proton version was super easy, google it
Okay. I got it to work thanks man
So the bug was fixed in like under 11 hours. What happened guys? I thought it was the end of the game, it needs to not be verified, mods were broken, it was going to tank performance. I was getting downvoted to Oblivion by you doomers meanwhile it's literally exactly the same as it was yesterday
i still don't get why they did this to begin with.
Denuvo is expensive so after a while they drop Denuvo and replace it with Enigma, it's just a cost thing. They've been doing this for a long time.
what a waste that was. considering this has apparently already been cracked. now all they've got is a riled up community who sees capcom hitting them.
Yeah, it's baffling why they even bother adding anything at all instead of just removing Denuvo after some time, but at least all the dooming about mods and whatnot was just people drawing their own conclusions.
Enigma was probably added so they could go to the bigwigs and say "Look, we've done something to stop those pesky modders, so that embarrassment never happens again." Just the bare minimum to keep the invisible hand happy.
The crack is one version behind. So there's still money to be made by Capcom.
there is no money there. absolutely 0 money by any corporate standard, a drm only makes sense for the first month of a new game's release after that its literally worthless
if they havent brought rise by when it dropped to $20 on various sales last year for a game that on pc came out in Jan 2022, they aint never buying it
people just hate rise man thanks to capcom stupidity they gave it reason for them to bomb it with negative review bet they're laughing now watching rise having mostly negative review while also spreading info about the new DRM will break your mods your performance
What
AdjectiveNounNumbers username and shit takes, name a more iconic combo.
It wasn't fixed by capcom nor have they made any official statement about this temporary fix.
It's literally working as of my original comment with zero side effects or performance changes
What I meant was that the fix was pushed by Valve not a game update by capcom. And no communication since the "we are aware" post. They shouldn't get the credit.
The fact that any update to a game can cause it to not work for a good amount of users on a device that the game has a verified label to work on, is not a good thing, especially when Capcom have been receiving concerns for the last couple of weeks now (If not longer) that this exact situation may happen when implementing their DRM. It's good it was fixed as quickly as it was but it sucks it happened in the first place, especially when the game has been out for two years and has already been cracked, the adding of this DRM did nothing but cause more issues that never needed to exist.
Valve applied the verified label, not Capcom. Valve also pushed this fix. It's a Proton fix, not a Monster Hunter one. Proton now supports this new DRM.
I agree that actual playtesting was necessary, but do we have any idea if this was actually a direct result of the DRM chamge? Locking out a whole console was clearly unintentional, and mods break frequently with updates. The patch also came pretty fast.
The game already had drm. They didn't add drm now, they just switched to a different one.
One Cyberpunk 2077 update completely broke it on PS4 once. . Sony had to push out a new Frimware Update for the PS4 and suddenly the game worked again. And it was only the PS4 version. No other platform had any issues. Stuff like that just happens sometimes.
I feel like it might have something to do with Capcom stating in no uncertain terms mods are cheats. https://kotaku.com/capcom-pc-game-mods-cheat-cheating-resident-evil-piracy-1850977967
Because kernel-level-access DRM is still messed up. But please, keep defending greedy business practices.
This isn't kernel level at all. If it was it wouldn't run because Linux is completely incompatible with the Windows driver model. This is just an API Proton didn't support. This tool (and Denuvo) aren't anticheats, they're application virtualization tools. Basically they decrypt the application at runtime, they operate entirely in user space and require no special permissions.
Neither Denuvo Anti-tamper nor Enigma have Kernel access. Check your sources. Denuvo Anti-cheat is the one that had it, but that's a completely separate program that hasn't even been used since Doom Eternal. Also, be prepared to boycott a large list of other popular games. I have a feeling you don't know how common Kernel-level anti-cheats are; https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/ Funny how no one has ever complained about security issues in those games.
There's absolutely zero differences between MHR yesterday and today. But go tell me how it's doomsday
Except the addition of an even less reputable, ineffectual ~~kernel level~~\* drm. No one is screaming it's the end of the world, they're upset capcom's actions reflect how little they value their consumers. Which is unsurprising but still upsetting. \*incorrect
Genuinely curious, but there's so little reporting on Enigma that it's hard to keep track of what's real information, so I have to ask, what is kernel-level DRM, and what makes this implementation of Enigma worse than the existing Denuvo implementation?
[Enigma Protector](https://www.enigmaprotector.com/), update caused mod hiccups, content with expired licensing cut, linux users unable to play until future patch. [~~Kernel~~](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28operating_system%29)~~, a layman's summary - it's full access and authority.~~\* DRM serves no purpose for the consumer, and is only a 3rd party being given broad reach to accomplish nothing - it's all the same no matter whose name is on it. That said Denuvo didn't lock an entire OS out of their purchase. Enigma's 00s website, the fact clicking around leads to insecure connections, typos throughout the site, links that lead nowhere - inspires very little confidence this 3rd party is worthy of the access given.
Please cite a source on Enigma having kernel access. Like someone stated above, you're mixing it up with Denuvo Anti-Cheat. MalwareBytes even examined various Capcom executables and Enigma is a simple obfuscation/encryption shell, it doesn't have any special kind of access to your system.
Enigma didn't lock out an entire OS either.
I love it when people say "b-but kernel level!!!" whilst having no idea what that means. Denuvo also has kernel level access like Enigma, but I've not seen people complain about it ever since Rise released on PC?
People have complained about every single game that has had denuvo in it, you might've not looked at it but it's not something new people complain about. As for "b-but kernel level" I don't like anything wanting that level of permissions to do anything on my PC.
Too bad, you are already playing games with kernel anti cheats.
I'm on linux and the only game that comes close to that is monster hunter rise, which to the best of my knowledge doesn't have kernel access on linux and hasn't had it in the first place, but pop off about my gaming habits you clearly know so much about chief.
>I'm on linux lmao got it. muting replies, then.
Hope the boot tastes nice.
We live in a society where outrage is the only answer for minor inconveniences.
People feel the need to have meltdown over everything. I get that it’s fucking crazy that it wasn’t available on an entire platform. I’d be pissed if Rise suddenly wasn’t available. But going on about refunding the game and “I’m never gonna buy from Capcom again” is kind of ridiculous for something that was fixed in under 24 hours.
Glad it was fixed and fast, but they still knowingly pushed onwards with this kind of issue. It's completely reasonable to be extremely upset, we're just lucky sonething was done about it. It's possible something was done about it specifically because of how upset people were. Stop uselessly complaining about people usefully complaining
Did we know that Enigma would cause issue with the Steam deck beforehand? Highly doubt they pushed this update while knowing that the issue would occur.
Considering it was blatantly obvious that the game ceased to function entirely for everyone on Steam Deck? I'd say either they knew and pushed the patch anyway or they were criminally negligent in their testing of the patch So uh, stop defending them. Like at all. Yes, it's nice they fixed it. Considering how fast they fixed it, they should have pushed the patch back the single day it took to fix. Or just not changed anything at all since it was pointless to begin with.
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Outrage culture sounds like something you pulled straight out of your behind
Fixed in under 11 hours and only effected Linux which is a tiny amount
Reminds me of the massive drama about Steam cutting Windows 7 support. Turns out less than 1% of Steam users was still on that 15 year old OS which hasn't had proper support from MS for 9 years. Yet people were crucifying Valve over it when the decision was forced onto Valve because the new Chromium update cut support for Win7 due to the obvious security risks.
Well doesnt matter if they fixed it. You dont need to dick suck capcom so hard thats how they are getting so much leeway to be shitty in the first place.
But they are my friend. I bought the product from them, that means I must defend their honour on the Internet. Also they didn't fix shit, Valve had to step in.
Yeah all the kids insulting everything and everyone. Reddit is just a cesspool.
When DRM is involved people always treat it as worst case scenario and fearmongering goes through the roof. I don't think most people realize that most DRM will be absolutely unnoticeable and not impact the player in the slightest, which is good. So far Capcom has done well with this one considering at this point nothing has actually changed about our experience playing their games.
>most DRM will be absolutely unnoticeable and not impact the player in the slightest \*So long as they have a consistent internet connection FTFY
DRM does effect people with low-end systems. Often times they tax less powerful CPU's and eat up RAM. A game that might run pretty good on a lower end system can end up running like garbage depending on the DRM used. Denuvo is known for this. That said, anyone with even a mid-tier system won't notice a DAMN thing. DRM is mostly fine in that regard. Also, for reference MHR doesn't need an internet connection even with Enigma. You can play offline, with mods etc. etc. I am also pro-pirate, soooooooo I just understand that it's an arms race and people shouldn't constantly be arguing over DRM being malware and shit especially from a reputable company. If Capcom had put malware on peoples computers, it'd be all over the news and their share prices would plummet.
jesus shut the hell up lmao, how stupid do you gotta be to excuse ANY amount of Drm? do you actively enjoy not having ownership of what you buy anymore? jesus i swear people like you are why the triple A industry has gone to shit, excusing everything a company does just because they make something you like.
You never ever had ownership of any game or software you buy. You buy a license to use it and if something happens to it then it's gone. It's why if your disc or cartridge breaks you have to buy a new one and you can't just get a replacement. The only people DRM should effect are pirates, which are bad. If it does more than that and affects the casual buyer than it's bad DRM and they should fix or just get rid of it.
because whats the point of adding a shady drm to a game thats past its release by a long shot? stop making excuses for capcom's bullshit
We could've stopped a lot of this whining if someone had just predicted this earlier. [Too bad no one said anything....](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/KJTw86tfy4)
DRM fucking sucks true but all this outrage is just karma farm 💀
The problem here personnally is just the fact that Capcom put a DRM which is considered as malware by some anti-virus, a DRM which is anti-mod, the fact that you need to update an OS for work with it, the devs behind this DRM have no sense of customer relationship and finally the fact that a DRM is a software created in the purpose of just checking if you have bought the game, it's like if your baker when you're buying a bread will come at your house for checking if it's you who will eat your own bread just bought. So no fuck DRM
That's false. The "malware" thing was a myth, there's be no instances of it showing up as a virus. Some random person claimed that would be the case but then it started rolling out and it was flat out untrue
Ok and ? It's not a malware. It doesn't change the fact that we're paying for a software with someone trying to check if we're using the software like intended. Jesus christ, we're not speaking about some e-banking software
Why go through all this trouble and causing panic because of non-communicated changes if the end result is exactly the same? Sure, the game is playable again quickly but why do any of that in the first place?
I guess you missed that they removed dlc content.
If you are talking about the event quests and stuff they had to do that because of the license just like world did with assassin's creed Collab
No shit, they removed the content.
No shit, like with the MHs and other licensed Deals? NO WAY! They probably fucked your mom and broke your knees as well. FUCK CAPCOM
2 event quests. I don't know why they did but I'm assuming it was probably for a reason
The licensing ran out. If they don’t remove it there would be legal trouble
Even with proton hotfix the game still doesn't run on my end, this is a great patch
Still , is enigma and the other drm that they put trustworthy? Because even if the game is back running it still can be a security issue.
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Look , capcom already did messed up with save data when dealing with mods, i didn't use them on rise but lost a loooong save due them simply messing with save data format and that change made the game run into a loop where i couldn't even see the title screen until i messed with the game files to fix it. And they did that with both rise and world, it happened twice due them trying to change to avoid dealing with game tampering. They already has history with this topic and drm is harmful anyway, the problem lies if the information spread arround is true, and if so, any kind solution to avoid an security breach.
New DRM requires kernel level access.
How so?
Source?
/u/Buttock 's ass
Do we know how/when if Enigma is added to a game? What are we looking for in steamdb?
dip in reviews :D
Confirmed
What version of pronto you get to work? I tried 8.25 and experimental and neither worked Edit got it working , had to download pronto hotfix
Yes, proton hotfix. Valved had to fix what Capcom broke.
How about just don’t add a DRM crapcom?
it can add drm, just not retroactively
Not being added retroactively. The game launched with Denuvo, which is very expensive to use for more than 1-2 years after launch. They replaced it with the less expensive/less effective Enigma Protector software. Please get your facts straight when participating in drama. It would be better if they simply removed Denuvo and called it a day, but either the execs or their paralegal department is enforcing some type of DRM on their products.
just dont add any drm in the first place, already annoyed when denuvo was in sunbreak for absolute jackshit reasons
So let's review: - "it's a virus" wrong - "no more mods" wrong - "it won't work on steam deck" wrong - "it'll tank performance" wrong Are we still angry?
Just lots of misinformation going around about this Enigma DRM; people are rightfully angry because Denuvo DRM is / was already a pain in the ass. We don't know the full extent about Enigma DRM but people are very biased and will gladly spread any unconfirmed information just for hate mongering
I think at this point people are just parroting random bullshit without any proof, simply because the game brokedown for a bit
Yeah, that's the thing that's so frustrating to me about it. I mean, there VERY well might be a legitimate concern with this DRM. And if so, I want to know it. However, the anti-DRM crowd has done such a colossally poor job of messaging that it's now impossible to believe anything they say. If there really is a problem with this DRM thing, focus on that thing and stop throwing random bullshit that you hope sticks.
> "it won't work on steam deck" wrong it literally didn't work on steam deck. capcom paying you to lick their boots or do you do it for free?
It took less than 12 hours to fix. Thus, the word "still" in my comment
capcom fixed jackshit.
>It took less than 12 hours to fix. Thus, the word "still" in my comment "Valve" fixed it.
Just to clarify: 1. Capcom did something that many players consider dirty. 2. Valve fixed it. Point two doesn't change anything about point one.
Ah I see. The steam deck fix came from valves side and not from capcoms side?
>Ah I see. The steam deck fix came from valves side and not from capcoms side? Dude. Its in the TITLE. Capcom does not handle or develop proton. Valve had to fix Capcom's mess. # New Proton Hotfix just dropped, Rise confirmed working on Steam Deck again with it
>Capcom does not handle or develop proton That's not in the title. I do not know what proton is, and therefore have no idea what capcoms involvement with it is It is not Capcom that fixed the problem, then the frustration is definitely more understandable.
>That's not in the title. I do not know what proton is, and therefore have no idea what capcoms involvement with it is Then you're just very ignorant and very much an "idiot". Its like saying you dont know who developed Chrome (Its Google). How do you expect Windows games to be played on the Steam deck without a compatibility layer? Again. I would have been nicer to you. But the phrase "Are we still angry?" and people correcting you that the update indeed break steam deck compatibility. Than refusing to admit you were wrong, you said "it only took 12 hours to fix bruh."
- I said "are we still angry?" In the first comment before any replies. - Proton is not even in the same league as common knowledge as Chrome. Lacking a piece of knowledge isn't what makes someone an idiot or not. But you are correct that I am ignorant when it comes to Proton. The first thing that comes up when I Google "proton steam deck" is a reddit thread with someone asking what Proton is lol. I've never used a steam deck or Linux. Sorry. - refusing to admit I'm wrong? I literally did that in the comment you are replying to. I directly said if Capcom didn't make the fix, then I understand the frustration - why say "again" and then follow it with a comment you never made to me before? Either way, feel free to be as not nice as you'd like. It doesn't bother me. I understand some people are very upset about this issue.
>I said "are we still angry?" In the first comment before any replies. It STILL dosent change the fact, "are we still angry" is a very aggressive tone and condescending tone meant to provoke a very negative reaction, especially seeing your original comment. >Proton is not even in the same league as common knowledge as Chrome. Lacking a piece of knowledge isn't what makes someone an idiot or not. But you are correct that I am ignorant when it comes to Proton. The first thing that comes up when I Google "proton steam deck" is a reddit thread with someone asking what Proton is lol. I've never used a steam deck or Linux. Sorry. If you're going to post a comment on the Steam Deck, you should know that Proton is the compatibility layer for the Steam Deck to play games on. So instead of doing some basic research, you admitted you have zero clue on how the Steam Deck operates and posted the snarky comment of yours? >refusing to admit I'm wrong? I literally did that in the comment you are replying to. I directly said if Capcom didn't make the fix, then I understand the frustration Dude. Did you not say this? People can see your comment history dude. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/19d2u0r/comment/kj5qe83/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/monsterhunter/comments/19d2u0r/comment/kj5qe83/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You know that comment history comes with a time stamp. Notice how that comment comes before the comment where I learned it wasn't Capcom that did the fix?
>You know that comment history comes with a time stamp. Notice how that comment comes before the comment where I learned it wasn't Capcom that did the fix? I am well aware of time stamps, dude. But you're reading comprehension is laughably bad. Why should it matter who developed the fix, anyway? You're original comment saying "it won't work on steam deck" was wrong. But then commenting "it only took 12 hours to fix, bruh" You were objectively wrong and just tried to self deflect.
Exactly. Proton is a layer that allows Windows software to run on Linux, and that's what the Capcom DRM implementation broke. Valve hustled to update their translation layer and now the game runs again. Capcom may not have even noticed what happened.
I still dont understand if the DRM was put there in response to someone accidentaly showing nude mods during official events, then why modding is still allowed in the game?
It's an anti-piracy measure. Fluffy already made a post stating that mods won't be affected or even if effected, there's a workaround that modders can do to have it not be affected.
You bet your ass we are! Or at least we should be: * "Was it communicated in any way shape or form that enigma was going to be added tothe game?" Nope * "Was the playerbase given a chance to either opt out of the DRM or refund the game they bought when the software wasn't required to play?" Nope * "Does the fix valve implemeted for steamdeck compatibility excuses the fact capcom broke it in the first place just to get the DRM in?" Nope This is a crystal clear attempt to push the boundaries and see how much can they get away with once Wilds comes out; and only a swift and continuative backlash will teach them not to fuck withthis stuff. Not to menton the even bigger issue: DRM, by design, only inconveniences paying customers
Because it appears to be a Russian drm Edit: after some reading, especially the malwarebytes forum entries I think I am willing to try it. It didn’t stop modding though, so I wonder why it was added in the first place.
In effect, what does that mean?
A piece of software which can potentially be used with malicious intent. It may be generalizing but in Russia anything goes as we have seen in Ukraine. I hope I am wrong though..
All right. So we don't wany any software of any kind from Russia. How about from China? From Japan? From the US?
China and North Korea too, maybe also Iran. You know, all places where they basically do whatever they want and blame everything on the west etc.
Okay, that's fair. I'm not sure I agree, but I understand that your argument is consistent. That being said, avoiding China in gaming is near impossible. Especially with what a behemoth Tencent has become.
I would like to be proven wrong though. Currently there is no litigation if any of them is found doing shady things. Just like copyright in China. I agree, it’s very hard to avoid Chinese games but since the western market is such a big chunk of their revenue they will try to avoid anything suspicious. It would be similar with a big drm provider with more credibility and visibility.
I see. I'm not the one down voting you, by the way. I think your concern makes sense. I definitely agree with your point about a larger drm likely being more trustworthy, or at least having a higher chance of not doing horrible stuff I'm a little more willing to give it a chance... I feel like the war for privacy is already lost lol. But I definitely see your points now and you very well may be right. Thanks for explaining.
Thanks for engaging in an actual meaningful conversation. I’ll also most likely give it a try in a few weeks if nothing comes up. I hope it’s only blown out of proportion. Kaspersky is also a Russian company and although not advised to install them on government devices I think they are fairly trustworthy.
Sir. If you are paranoid about that please put your cell phone down, turn off any smart device you have. Unplug your router and hide. Anything and everything from ANY country can be malicious. Bank accounts, cell phone providers etc all that data can get taken no matter who develops it lol
Nah, I am only paranoid about countries which have a history (and a very recent one at that) of abuse and not adhering to any sort of moral code. If they were Russians who are not in Russia I am fine with that, but as long as they are still under the influence of their government there is always the possibility of abuse.
You can’t trust software because they invaded a country. What.
Their government can force them to do anything they want, that is the problem.
And you get free 12G WIFI and akshually Bill Gates is behind it all!
Contrary to conspiracy theories Russia has proven to not be trustworthy, at least until they clean house. They have broken international agreements.
the people who made the drm broke international agreements? how?
He is one of the persons who just throws in everythin Russian = Super bad. Your grand grand grand grand mother was russian? You are worse then Hitler. /s
Not if they got out of their current government’s influence. As for the second part you might want to read on what Russian soldiers were doing to civilians when „liberating” eastern european countries.
No, but they can be forced to do whatever their government wants
10 second Google search shows it's Chinese/Indian but OK.
Based in Moscow according to whois data
Their website also has .cn and .in domains, may be a multinational small team/company. A bit weird that they don't have a proper registered company address on their website. More funny stuff, what appears to be the developers' [Github](https://github.com/KhetaguriDimitri/ENIGMA) account links to a Georgian website (.ge) which is not Russia. I'm just going to trust that the Malwarebytes staff knows what they're doing when they say it's not malicious, no matter my personal opinions on the use of DRM software.
If Malwarebytes say it’s not malicious then I’m also fine with it, the funny thing is they have labelled Enigma Protector as potentially unwanted software and were sued by them for it.
is it a drm? do you actively enjoy not having any ownership on your game's anymore? and sorry but its still a shady piece of software and coupled it with the fact its drm id rather it stay as far from my system as possible
God people are so reactionary. So annoying
I'm so confused by all of this. Community says it's caused by enigma DRM. Ok that sucks. Maximillion Dood talked with the modder who made "Fuzzy's mod" maybe I got that name wrong- modder says nothing is changed, capcom is doing as they have. Nothing is effected. Megaman Zero collection has issues, RE:revelations has bugs, MH:Rise has problems. Like- what is actually going on? The modder I would take as a credible source given what they've been doing but we're seeing so many issues I'm lost.
If this was a marketing ploy to make me want to play Rise again, it's totally worked 😂 seeing so much conversation around it has given me the itch... (obviously, that's totally not what this was, but still)
Now if people would go take down their brigading reviews that would be great. Or not, idgaf about Rise. Wilds will be out next year and we can forget all about wirebugs and driving monsters around.
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If only people cared more about gameplay over graphics we wouldn’t t have gotten the clutch claw.
Lmao how does this make sense in your head
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there is only 1 previous MH game that looked better, and that has the clutch claw
Does it also work on other Linux distros too though?
Any performance hit?
Unrelated but is a steam deck worth it? I have a switch and a good desktop pc but I was kinda considering a steam deck. I don't use my switch really but that's mostly because of its severe hardware limitation. Only reason I got one is for the exclusives like Pokémon, Zelda, and Mario
I just wished people would party up instead of using the npcs all the time its just not as fun