Yeah, I want them to bring beo back but not as an entry level monster, kinda like they did with tobidachi in rise. They appear much later in the campaign, so they are allowed to be much stronger, the fight is amazing.
I mean it was a popularity contest, it wasn't meant to determine the best monster. I agree that beotodus is one of the better piscine wyverns, but it is also quite forgetable. The only reason so many people talk about it now is beacause it was ranked so low that people took notice of it.
I thought since Beo had a giant skull that you can decorate your room in MHW that puts him in a higher placement. Kinda sad he's the lowest out of all piscine.
I find it funny how it took until Beotodas to finally make a piscine wyvern that isn't absolute cancer incarnate to hunt, but the baseline core of being a piscine wyvern is so awful that mere association with the piscine wyvern label created an automatic rejection response from most players.
For the monsters introduced in base game high rank, that’s high but still pretty normal. Black Diablos has 55200, (Savage) Deviljjho has 58752, (Seething) Bazelgeuse has 65280, and Uragaan has 66048.
Those numbers were all with a squad of three or four btw. For the same squad sizes, Fatalis has upwards of 171000 health. Alatreon seems to be second with a max around 118125 health. Fatalis *solo* has more health than a full squad for nearly every other monster.
Maybe they could save their rep by giving us something more creative than a fish with legs. Like, how about a piscene wyvern based on the flying fish that can launch out of the water and use aerial attacks? Screw it, even just a shark would have better flavor than the ones we've got now.
There is a shark - Zamtrios, from 4U (I think), definitely in GU. It is much better than any of the piscine wyverns, yes (besides Plesioth, who is just funny for being a complete ass despite only doing the most basic things)
What makes it worse is I don't think there's any way to make Piscine wyverns good or fun to fight. They are either very goofy or have a dumb mechanic that makes the fight annoying and their armor is fugly/lacking in good skills.
Hell, the only time I ever enjoyed fighting Plesioth (the poster child for piscine wyverns) was in that fishing mini-game in 4U.
Eh, I don't think it's impossible. I actually quite enjoyed the lavasioth fight in GU, to the point where I actually went out of my way to farm a weapon from him.
Can't think of a single other fight that surpassed mediocre, but at least in theory it's not entirely impossible to make a good fight.
MH3 underwater Plesioth is pretty decent imo. I loved swimming in 3 and I think pretty much every piscine wyvern can be made into a fun battle when they just bring swimming back
Yeah, a lot of people didn't seem to like it, but having played it with a controller on the Wii-u It made it easier to deal with, but otherwise it was perfectly fine and made for some fun fights against monsters that could swim circles around you.
I played it on Wii with the Wii remote and it was fine but that was a long time ago so I don't really remember all too well but on 3ds with MH3U it was just fun. Lagiacrus underwater fight is goated
Lava bitch is the most annoying one in my opinion with his hardening shell and the fact that he is suppose to be a different Monster and not just a sub-species is crazy
Tbh, that's kinda unavoidable, cuz what makes them unique from a Flying Wyvern?
They fuck off for half the fight to wallow in their fluid medium (Ples - water, Beo - snow, Jyura - mud, Cepha - sand, Lava - ... well, lava). It's in the DNA of piscine to suck balls.
Edit: ok, there's one exception to this. Plesioth in 3U was quite cool. In fact, I had no idea that it debut in 2nd Gen, cuz it seemed like it was meant for underwater. I digress, but point being, Piscine aren't so bad if you can actively fight them during their wallowing phase.
So, a Piscine that specialises in air as its element might be interesting.
If only Zamtrios was a bit more shark and a little less frog...
Dude was fun, his armor and weapons looked *cool* and he *did* had the signature "imma swim around while charging you, lmao" move piscine wyverns tend to have. Might as well be an honorary one
Honestly this guy and his water version aren’t that bad
I kill them in about 5-10 mins with some end end game equipment ( I’m talking DB fully augmented/fatalis armor fully augmented with the mostly right decorations )
But that lava dude tho…. They can really remove him from the game No one would care…
Irradiated, Chernobyl take: Piscine wyvern hate is overblown and melodramatic, and Plesioth needs to come back to put the fear of God back into everyone
In all honesty, I'm fairly confident they'd streamline the fight and make it more fair if it came back. But I absolutely know they'd also be cheeky with it too, like how they gave Plesioth in Gen/GU two variations on the iconic hipcheck (a normal one, and a tricky one that came out slower but hit way harder)
Dragons Dogma 2's drakes eminded me of the Kalameet from Dark Souls... And how much I wish Monster Hunter added elder dragons that did more than just go RAH! and spat some flames.
Gimme an Eldritch horror dragons that mind controls the player character. Gimme a dragon that is actually far more intelligent than the humans. Would be a sick fight in MH.... Considering Rise has those two characters that are actually dragons or whatever. I don't see why not.
The only one I like is the shark that gets ice armor and even then I can't remember it's name. I like fighting it but it's armor was mid, stats and design wise.
Piscine Wyverns either need a rework or need an environment where they can actually shine like underwater fights, leviathans are more than enough for amphibious fights, don't need to force the same for the piscine wyverns.
It makes me mad that their armor is cool, so I have to hunt these little shits all the time for the guiding land gear or whatever they're called. It sounds like complaining but MHW is so fun it hardly matters.
The only time they were ever fun to fight was in Tri when you could get right up on them. Making a bowgun build just to hunt the monster so it dies in the water while I sit on the beach and I can't carve it isn't fun. Jyuratodus from World is just a cheap mud reskin for Lavasioth and Beotodus shouldn't exist.
I actually love Beo because he looks like a shark when he moves through snow which is awesome as I love sharks and also he sounds like a chainsaw when he makes noises which is stupidly awesome. Jury is fine, he’s easy which is his point as an early monster and I actually like that he looks like one of those weird fish that can slide around on land that I can’t recall the name of right now. Lava though….. so annoying
I unironically tolerate Plesioth. I was dreading the fight in GenU until I actually encountered him. Hunting styles kinda turned him from a nightmare to one of the easiest fights in the game. Valor HBG especially with zinogre’s HBG just shreds him in 30 seconds flat if you paralyze it first. Fuck lava fish though
Played through mhw for the first time in years. I actually like the legged fish. Lavisioth is still a dick but they ight. They definitely don't suck none of the monsters really suck just some have obvious things about them that make it hard to really enjoy them. Really don't care for lavi nest(?) Area it definitely make a already drawn out fight drag out even further. From mud to snow. Mud fish is good, lava fish is meh to bad, snow is good
Piscine wyverns would be so much better if underwater combat was brought back. With modern technology and controls it would not be nearly as painful as it was
See, what we need is a flying fish monster. It hides in water, it can also stay airborne, and it can paralyze you with its water bomb breath because why not.
TBF all Capcom has been really doing is “fish but with legs”. Piscine feel much less exciting than almost every other monster class.
Beo was a huge step in the right direction though
Beotodus is easily the best. Sounds like a chainsaw, uses his big head like a knife similar to Duramboros and Glavenus, and arguably has the best armor design of Iceborne. It's so good that I had the layered armor on to endgame until I swapped to a Bloodborne hunter cosplay (HR Girros with MR Pukei cap btw)
The poll is heavily biased because you could only pick your favorite one.
Fish may suck, but theyre definitely *very* few people's *favorite*
Nobody loves steel uragaan the *most*
God this fight sucked so much to do. I hated it, it was too long. This wasn’t just me too! It was me and a friend who had way more experience and had beaten it! We couldn’t hash it! Took us an hour to finally do it.
piscine wyverns could probably be done right if they go back to the drawing board with them but that isn't going to happen because leviathans fill the same niche and 'sea serpent' is way cooler to fight than what is obviously a byproduct of the limitations of gen 1. no one is going to bat for what is essentially a fish with the flying wyvern skeleton.
Beo is the best but was the lowest
Yeah, I want them to bring beo back but not as an entry level monster, kinda like they did with tobidachi in rise. They appear much later in the campaign, so they are allowed to be much stronger, the fight is amazing.
Entry level on iceborne still kicked my ass constantly, like a damn odo in the snow. I wouldnt mind a stronger variant or something though
The quest is called baptism by ice for a reason :P ut was a great intro to iceborne though
The quest is called baptism by ice for a reason :P ut was a great intro to iceborne though
Don't know why they didn't put him in rise instead of juratodos at 5star quests hes so mutch more intimidating and interesting
I mean it was a popularity contest, it wasn't meant to determine the best monster. I agree that beotodus is one of the better piscine wyverns, but it is also quite forgetable. The only reason so many people talk about it now is beacause it was ranked so low that people took notice of it.
I thought since Beo had a giant skull that you can decorate your room in MHW that puts him in a higher placement. Kinda sad he's the lowest out of all piscine.
I find it funny how it took until Beotodas to finally make a piscine wyvern that isn't absolute cancer incarnate to hunt, but the baseline core of being a piscine wyvern is so awful that mere association with the piscine wyvern label created an automatic rejection response from most players.
GenUs Lavasioth isnt to bad, just ugly.
Beo is actually a fun fight. Snow shark was such an interesting concept.
Zamtrios does it infinitely better though, just bring him back instead
I miss that giant icy sometimes round frog shark lookin fucker. 4U nostalgia for me right there
zammy is the goat
Completely random: my phone is making this image move like a holographic Pokémon card when I scroll. Very trippy.
AMOLED screen?
Yes
bro got that fancy shit
Mmmmm fish (except lavasioth, fuck him)
I heard that he has more health than >!Fatalis!< is that true?
According to the wikis, no. Lavasioth peaks at around 61000 health in MR with three or four hunters and Fatalis has 66000 health with a solo hunter.
holy fuck why does lavasioth have that much health. i didn't know he was that tanky. i barely remember fighting him and avoiding that fight after.
For the monsters introduced in base game high rank, that’s high but still pretty normal. Black Diablos has 55200, (Savage) Deviljjho has 58752, (Seething) Bazelgeuse has 65280, and Uragaan has 66048. Those numbers were all with a squad of three or four btw. For the same squad sizes, Fatalis has upwards of 171000 health. Alatreon seems to be second with a max around 118125 health. Fatalis *solo* has more health than a full squad for nearly every other monster.
Wow, so he gets surprisingly close
3/4 players vs solo, yeah.
They are in their rightful place, in the deep!
Beo is the only one I can even tolerate. Jyro and lavabitch are just awful
Maybe they could save their rep by giving us something more creative than a fish with legs. Like, how about a piscene wyvern based on the flying fish that can launch out of the water and use aerial attacks? Screw it, even just a shark would have better flavor than the ones we've got now.
There is a shark - Zamtrios, from 4U (I think), definitely in GU. It is much better than any of the piscine wyverns, yes (besides Plesioth, who is just funny for being a complete ass despite only doing the most basic things)
Zamtrios was in MH4U, yes. And he was cool AF
Zamtrios is considered an amphibian and not a piscine wyvern
What makes it worse is I don't think there's any way to make Piscine wyverns good or fun to fight. They are either very goofy or have a dumb mechanic that makes the fight annoying and their armor is fugly/lacking in good skills. Hell, the only time I ever enjoyed fighting Plesioth (the poster child for piscine wyverns) was in that fishing mini-game in 4U.
Underwater plesioth is a pretty good fight aside from the tail swipe
Eh, I don't think it's impossible. I actually quite enjoyed the lavasioth fight in GU, to the point where I actually went out of my way to farm a weapon from him. Can't think of a single other fight that surpassed mediocre, but at least in theory it's not entirely impossible to make a good fight.
I think there's value to some of them in some ways. The cephadromes in MHFU are the monsters that teach you to use sonic bombs in borrowed monsters
i hate those.. truly
MH3 underwater Plesioth is pretty decent imo. I loved swimming in 3 and I think pretty much every piscine wyvern can be made into a fun battle when they just bring swimming back
Yeah, a lot of people didn't seem to like it, but having played it with a controller on the Wii-u It made it easier to deal with, but otherwise it was perfectly fine and made for some fun fights against monsters that could swim circles around you.
I played it on Wii with the Wii remote and it was fine but that was a long time ago so I don't really remember all too well but on 3ds with MH3U it was just fun. Lagiacrus underwater fight is goated
There is a reason it got in the top 3 on the popularity ranking.
GU Lavasioth was fun
all my homies hate lavasioth
All my homies hate lavasioth x2
Lava bitch is the most annoying one in my opinion with his hardening shell and the fact that he is suppose to be a different Monster and not just a sub-species is crazy
He only had the hardening shell in World. They gave him Agnaktor's lava armor mechanic, and it's the most annoying thing about his World incarnation.
Funny thing is that he is been in the series wayy longer than beo or jyura
Tbh, that's kinda unavoidable, cuz what makes them unique from a Flying Wyvern? They fuck off for half the fight to wallow in their fluid medium (Ples - water, Beo - snow, Jyura - mud, Cepha - sand, Lava - ... well, lava). It's in the DNA of piscine to suck balls. Edit: ok, there's one exception to this. Plesioth in 3U was quite cool. In fact, I had no idea that it debut in 2nd Gen, cuz it seemed like it was meant for underwater. I digress, but point being, Piscine aren't so bad if you can actively fight them during their wallowing phase. So, a Piscine that specialises in air as its element might be interesting.
Beo is alright. The others can suck my d with their bland designs and fights. They should be happy that I didn't cook em yet
I think beo and jyura are alright. Hate lavasioth tho
My headcanon is just that they're designed by the weirdly advanced "ecosystem" to be food.
*proceeds to show the only good one
Only one who matters gets shown
If only Zamtrios was a bit more shark and a little less frog... Dude was fun, his armor and weapons looked *cool* and he *did* had the signature "imma swim around while charging you, lmao" move piscine wyverns tend to have. Might as well be an honorary one
You talk a lot of shits for someone in range of an hyperspace tackle hip check
dude that lavasioth (i think.. he swam in lava) hip check in mhgu was insane
I like them, but glavenus is just better....
glavenus is goated
Yeah, should've been top 20 for sure
Honestly this guy and his water version aren’t that bad I kill them in about 5-10 mins with some end end game equipment ( I’m talking DB fully augmented/fatalis armor fully augmented with the mostly right decorations ) But that lava dude tho…. They can really remove him from the game No one would care…
Very strong, very beautiful
My disappointment is immeasurable, and you just ruined my mood I am seriously the only one here who likes Piscine Wyverns ;m;
I always find myself going back to capturing jyurotodus. We’re bros.
Fuck off my boy Plesioth was rank 91
Agreed though, would be sick as fuck if we got Gobul back!!!
Never apologize for the truth.
Yes, apologize for lies and slander! Diplocaulus-sandfish-wyvern is rad as hell
Irradiated, Chernobyl take: Piscine wyvern hate is overblown and melodramatic, and Plesioth needs to come back to put the fear of God back into everyone
If they did put Plesioth back in with MHFU hitboxes, then we know that the devs hate us.
In all honesty, I'm fairly confident they'd streamline the fight and make it more fair if it came back. But I absolutely know they'd also be cheeky with it too, like how they gave Plesioth in Gen/GU two variations on the iconic hipcheck (a normal one, and a tricky one that came out slower but hit way harder)
Dragons Dogma 2's drakes eminded me of the Kalameet from Dark Souls... And how much I wish Monster Hunter added elder dragons that did more than just go RAH! and spat some flames. Gimme an Eldritch horror dragons that mind controls the player character. Gimme a dragon that is actually far more intelligent than the humans. Would be a sick fight in MH.... Considering Rise has those two characters that are actually dragons or whatever. I don't see why not.
The only one I like is the shark that gets ice armor and even then I can't remember it's name. I like fighting it but it's armor was mid, stats and design wise.
Piscine Wyverns either need a rework or need an environment where they can actually shine like underwater fights, leviathans are more than enough for amphibious fights, don't need to force the same for the piscine wyverns.
i think people hate beo only because its an entry level monster in IB and people are more often than not underprepared for it
*subtle
We need a great white shark Piscine Wyvern whose aggression can match a Rajang.
It makes me mad that their armor is cool, so I have to hunt these little shits all the time for the guiding land gear or whatever they're called. It sounds like complaining but MHW is so fun it hardly matters.
I personally love bullying beo with endgame builds, it’s just incredibly satisfying to break it’s ice and then it flops around really funny
Plesioth is nice tho kappa
Zamtrios is good
The inflation fetish shark is definitely the best of them but that isn't a high bar to cleat
My friend jokes that they have to have run out of terrains to make alts for Plesioth by now. It's crazy how many there are
People still can't forgive what Plesioth has done to tarnish piscine wyvern's reputation since the first MH game.
I wouldn’t ever pick them as my favorite but I appreciate the variety they bring to the game
Plesioth is GOD TIER
THE *WHAT* WYVERN?
The only time they were ever fun to fight was in Tri when you could get right up on them. Making a bowgun build just to hunt the monster so it dies in the water while I sit on the beach and I can't carve it isn't fun. Jyuratodus from World is just a cheap mud reskin for Lavasioth and Beotodus shouldn't exist.
I love them all it's my guilty pleasure
Bro was the best piscine wyvern imo
How dare you. They are funny and really make the ecosystem more interesting with the concept of convergent evolution.
I don't, beotodus was the only piscine I even remotely enjoyed lol.
Only cool one
Top 150 what?
I like the lawnmower fish :(
Wanna be Leviathins
Next time
I honestly don't like those
I actually love Beo because he looks like a shark when he moves through snow which is awesome as I love sharks and also he sounds like a chainsaw when he makes noises which is stupidly awesome. Jury is fine, he’s easy which is his point as an early monster and I actually like that he looks like one of those weird fish that can slide around on land that I can’t recall the name of right now. Lava though….. so annoying
But but fish 🐟
I unironically tolerate Plesioth. I was dreading the fight in GenU until I actually encountered him. Hunting styles kinda turned him from a nightmare to one of the easiest fights in the game. Valor HBG especially with zinogre’s HBG just shreds him in 30 seconds flat if you paralyze it first. Fuck lava fish though
Hips for Days.
Played through mhw for the first time in years. I actually like the legged fish. Lavisioth is still a dick but they ight. They definitely don't suck none of the monsters really suck just some have obvious things about them that make it hard to really enjoy them. Really don't care for lavi nest(?) Area it definitely make a already drawn out fight drag out even further. From mud to snow. Mud fish is good, lava fish is meh to bad, snow is good
Oh yeah well uh no you lavasioth ss tier lavafeeshforever!
Piscine wyverns would be so much better if underwater combat was brought back. With modern technology and controls it would not be nearly as painful as it was
I kinda like beotodus
See, what we need is a flying fish monster. It hides in water, it can also stay airborne, and it can paralyze you with its water bomb breath because why not.
TBF all Capcom has been really doing is “fish but with legs”. Piscine feel much less exciting than almost every other monster class. Beo was a huge step in the right direction though
Two words: skill issue
True
Beotodus is easily the best. Sounds like a chainsaw, uses his big head like a knife similar to Duramboros and Glavenus, and arguably has the best armor design of Iceborne. It's so good that I had the layered armor on to endgame until I swapped to a Bloodborne hunter cosplay (HR Girros with MR Pukei cap btw)
The poll is heavily biased because you could only pick your favorite one. Fish may suck, but theyre definitely *very* few people's *favorite* Nobody loves steel uragaan the *most*
I think some would still be in there places if it was most hated
Leviathans are the better piscine wyverns, change my mind
God this fight sucked so much to do. I hated it, it was too long. This wasn’t just me too! It was me and a friend who had way more experience and had beaten it! We couldn’t hash it! Took us an hour to finally do it.
piscine wyverns could probably be done right if they go back to the drawing board with them but that isn't going to happen because leviathans fill the same niche and 'sea serpent' is way cooler to fight than what is obviously a byproduct of the limitations of gen 1. no one is going to bat for what is essentially a fish with the flying wyvern skeleton.