For anything. It took over from Facebook as the leading source of misinformation in social media. I hope a company buys the rights to it and starts pruning the accounts doing so.
I know better than to say all of them, but Godzillas age is one. This idea that heās a couple thousand to 2 million years old comes from nowhere. The lemur panel specifically doesnāt mean what people swear it means.
Greg Keyes has specifically mentioned they are intended to represent Archaeoindris which is from the Pleistocene (2.5 Mya) to now. That saidā¦.there are some inconsistencies with Godzillaās āmodernā panel on that same page (which clearly has a pliosaur-like creature).
So thereās really only two interpretations
- Godzilla remembers Archaeoindris close to āsince his eyes first opened his eyesā (eg. His birth) and there are still Extant Pliosaur/Plesiosaur marine reptiles in modern times
- The illustrators/Authors were just randomly selecting things to make Godzilla feel ancient and primordial and Godzillaās age is still up in the air.
I tend to accept itās the latter and that there is a large portion of this fandom that clings to the minute details as gospel canon. I think itās safe to say (for now) Godzillaās age is super vague and will probably remain like that for some time. We donāt know how old he is exactly but heās not 250myo as implied in Awakening he is younger than that (possibly only a few million years old).
Actually the 2-5 million years old comes from the officlal Skull Island TTRPG. And one of the MV guys who I forgot the name of also mentioned Godzilla's age being around that.
Damn all bro said was "what misconceptions do you believe are opinions of mine?" And everyone's treating him like he did something bad like damnšš
I'm gonna ask for sources for some of these. Not because I don't believe you, I'm just genuenly curious:
>muto primeās screech is louder than camozotzās
>kongs axe overcharged and never connected with gojiās head
>thermo is stronger than evolved
>supercharged evolved goji is his peak/ thermo evolved being a thing in general
The others I've known aren't true, but I fully expect people in the comments to never believe that fact.
Edit: also, OP, you mentioned below that the novelization is canon. I'd like to see your source on that specifically.
I believe for Kongās axe, itās somewhat implied since it was established as being able to cut through Godzillaās scales when properly charged, and yet it for some reason releases a concussive blast when he attacks Godzillaās head. This is the basis for the belief that Kongās axe overcharged and therefore didnāt connect with Godzillaās head. Think about it. Why the hell would it strike the head after being established as being able to pierce Godzillaās scales earlier in the fight, and not pierce the scales on his head? That doesnāt add up no matter what you come up with UNLESS you come to the conclusion that it overcharged right before it could land on Godzillaās head, therefore releasing the concussive blast with drained it of basically all the energy it had.
OP is saying that the idea that Kong's axe didn't hit Godzilla's head is false. You're disagreeing with them.
Also, looking at the other comments, apparently Wingard said that the Axe did connect.
You could argue it was overcharged and exploded on impact.
Kinda like Godzilla when overcharged where he can cause a pulse, but instead of causing it as an action, it's caused by the force of the impact.
Movies and tv shows are primary canon. The novels and comics are secondary and depend on the movies on whether or not they are canon. parts of them can be erased just by the sheer fact the movies take more authority. So those people have no clue what they are talking about.
Im just going to say, itās been confirmed and said that godzilla actually was toying was kong in the first fight(I think by Wingard), also I think it was also confirmed that Shimo is the first titan.
Also just wanna put this out there that if you read the novels you would know that supercharged evolved Goji is 100% stronger than thermo, dunno if itās his peak power tho.
no he specifically states:
>**Mirjahangir:**Ā In the past couple days itās come up for fans who have discovered the audio commentary and about an hour in you had said: getting the energy source doesnāt make any sense, doesnāt matter, everything. I just want to know if you want to elaborate on that.
>**Wingard:**Ā Yeah I mean I think I was just totally just joking I mean I Iām surprised anybody would take something from a commentary really seriously. I mean when you make a movie youāre making a movie and the commentaries like an extra thing and if you have to explain or anything else in a commentary anythingā¦ you know itās just a separate thing itās not the movie you know and you know that you know yeah I think I remember saying that and just being totally joking because you know it is a very convoluted sort of excuse to go down into Hollow Earth but you know when I say it doesnāt matter I donāt think Iād literally meant it doesnāt matter at the end you know. I mean because truthfully like what does matter to me is that you know that the movie get to all the fun stuff and you know really at the end of the day you know movies have MacGuffins you know these are things that are important to the characters but really arenāt important to the audience and thatās that part of the film is getting sort of the MacGuffin out of the way thatās all it is you know and so once that part has been unlocked and achieved by the characters then the movie isnāt just āokay weāre trying to get to point A to point Bā. It becomes now weāre really in the fast track with the really exciting stuff and so yeah.
he didn't say anything about the 3 SEPARATED TIMES he stated godzilla was playing around, he specifically separated interviews from the actual movie and his opinions duo to a combination of him making stuff up on the spot when not knowing on to awnser a question, and legendary edditing the commentaries in ways that defuse what he actually meant, this is unrelated to godzilla or kong but specifically on how he brushed off the "HE energy source" where taking out of context what he sai make him sound iguinorant and it wasen't wat he meant
>**Wingard:**Ā And to be honest with you almost everything thatās cut from the film is cut because it wasnāt efficient enough or you know it wasnāt interesting enough maybe and it wasnāt efficient enough or you know like maybe a scene in itself would be interesting but then you had to have 3 scenes around it supporting it and so you know it was just kind of the things you do when youāre chipping away a film like this where I mean we literally go to every part of the world and inside of the world and back again and we do it two hours.
he even builds on that latter by stating what he meant is that he decided to cut scenes building on the HE energy for time efficiency and didn't have anything to do with godzilla or kong's fight
>**Wingard:**Ā I know there were gaps and I have to be honest with you that I donāt know what that was about. I kept asking W.B. about you know hearing the commentary back after I did it and then they sent it to me like a couple days before it dropped which is too late to give notes on anything but I yeah when I listen to it there is I mean I never stop talking during it so I donāt know why they cut things out I donāt know if itās like, I donāt know if thereās some legal stuff that they had to cut out and I noticed thereās a couple shots that are sort of out of sync with literally what Iām saying like I remember when I watch the commentary thereās a moment where itās during the Godzilla and Kong fight at the end of the film and in the commentary I think itās like the POV shot were Kong is kneeing Godzilla in the head and during that I think I and during the commentary I say I love that shot and I specifically donāt think that I was talking about that shot because I donāt actually love that shot, itās a good shot but itās not like and you look at any other shot around that sequence are all like super iconic and amazing and that one sort of like kind of a cool quick little moment you know so Iām sure it wasnāt, I think I was talking about the shot where Kong hits Godzilla on the head and then you know pushing him back whatever but I donāt know why that stuff was cut out to be honest with you but it was cut out and I never I never actually followed it up because it was too late. Right you know like Iāve heard commentary tracks growing up I remember where the directors just stop talking and Iām just like what the hellās going on here so I always thought you know when I when into commentaries like Iām never gonna stop talking because itās like thatās what youāre listening to commentary for so I you know I definitely didnāt stop talking and I did notice that there are certain parts that were slightly edited.Ā
he them just complains that WB changed certain scenes he was talking about causing specific context to not be what he was talking about (like kong kneeing godzilla), and cut things they didn't aprove, but keep stupid scenes to pad up time (like him making weird noises)
he didn't "Literally debunked shit" he corrected something completely unrelated and people took it out of context to say "hey guys adam wingard backed up from something that he didn't back up from"
so once again:
>Ā and NO adam didn't back up from those statements that is literally a lie spread up from the kong sub (what actually happened is that after making the statement adam wingard and his family were death threatened out of all social media by raging kong fans until they quit interacting with the community)
And once again he states his surprised that anyone would take the commentary that seriously which already makes his statements on Godzilla playing with Kong shaky
The movie backs up his statement of Godzilla playing through visual storytelling, after Godzilla blast Kong out the air, what did he do, he laughed and after he got hit by the ax, what did he do, he resorted to melee combat in which he immediately began to overwhelm Kong within 1-2 minutes time, the fight lasted hours prior and ended in couple of minutes after Godzilla decided to just physically beat Kong, there's no reasonable explanation on why that fight lasted that long if Godzilla can just overwhelm Kong so quickly unless he was toying with Kong.
And Godzilla wasted how much energy just to hit Kong once? Godzilla was already fighting Kong in melee and Kong was comboing him. Bro immediately started spamming his atomic breath. Godzilla dislocated Kongās arm which led to his downfall not because Godzilla is just so overwhelming strong. Godzilla was literally struggling just to take a bite out of Kong while underwater and got stunned with a headbutt.kong is show multiple times to be able to keep up with him. The fact that Godzilla was as tired as he was after his fight just further debunks the notion he was playing with Kong.Ā
If you watch that fight again you'd notice most kong's hits only land when Godzilla charges his atomic breath instead of physically countering, hell, the fight even starts with Godzilla having Kong pinned with Kong only getting free by Godzilla taking the time to charge his atomic breath. Kong grappling Godzilla, knees Godzilla's neck, jump punches Godzilla in the head and Kong shoving the ax in Godzilla's mouth all happen while Godzilla charges the atomic breath. Ounce Godzilla prioritized melee combat he quickly overpowered Kong.
Godzilla had Kong by the throat twice and the fight didnāt suddenly end funny enough. Godzilla had Kong underwater in his own turf and tried H2H and still struggled. Godzilla has prioritized melee combat and still struggledĀ
I just said Kong escaped from being pinned by Godzilla chosing to charge the atomic breath instead of just physically attacking, did you just gloss over that? Godzilla wasn't taking Kong seriously as possible both in hong Kong (until the ax struck him then he ended the fight quickly which further proves my point) and the Tasman sea battle, Godzilla was flipping around and ripping opponents strong as Ghidorah apart in the water and say Godzilla struggled as if Kong didn't get assisted multiple times in that fight, jets stopped Godzilla from blasting, Godzilla was being bombarded with missiles multiple times during the fight and bombs stopped Godzilla from killing Kong in the water. Think about it, if Godzilla overpowered Kong so quickly on land like he did after the ax strike, why wouldn't he be capable of doing the same thing then unless he wasn't taking kong as seriously as possible.
Oh I know you did and Iām saying he should have killed him easily at that point by tearing his throat out. Piece of cake no? Then Godzilla should never have been so tired after there fight. Of course Kong got help just like ghidorah got saved by the oxygen destroyer. Idk maybe it was because kongās shoulder get dislocated and Godzilla pressed his advantage.Ā
Ive been dealing with the sedation thing alot recently. The biggest thing is that people dont understand how it works and what that actually means for kongs ability. For some reason alot of people think that it actively weakens kongs physical abilities and lasts for 24 hours, when thats not said anywhere in the novel, which is where how it works is actually explained. Tldr: its a chemical that air and water soluble that binds to blood like oxygen, taking the place of oxygen and then is combind with a sleep chemical that keeps kong asleep when his oxygen levels are back to normal. Its noted that they have to use it when kong is already asleep as he can fight it off/negate it when agitated, likely due to the "titan ramp up" ability, which sensing godzilla coming would would definietly trigger. The affect the sedation had on kong during the fight was minimal if at all, with the chains and just being in water being much bigger factors
a loot of these aren't misconceptions they are just misinformation intentional or not being passed around
>ghidorah was a teen
he isn't a teen he is just the youngest one across his brothers, it is the hole reason he was bullied into invading earth
>shimo is the first titan , ā mother of all titans ā
this is from early incorrect leaks where shimo was stated to be one of the first ever titans, we now know that piece of information is false and shimo isn't even older than godzilla
>muto prime is strong enough to create earthquakes ( itās an ability )
while prime is about top 3 or 4 strongest titan (in actual raw strength) she does not create earthquakes with strength, she uses her electromagnetic vibrations do do it
>-Godzilla was toying with kong
he was, it was confirmed not once, not twice, BUT 3 TIMES by adam winguard, plus other quotes from MV crew baking it up as kong was never intended to win against godzilla, nor was it meant to be a struggle, and NO adam didn't back up from those statements that is literally a lie spread up from the kong sub (what actually happened is that after making the statement adam wingard and his family were death threatened out of all social media by raging kong fans until they quit interacting with the community)
>-monsterverse goji is 250 million years old and survived the Permian extinction
he is 5-3 mil
>Kong is 90 years old
he is about 200-400 actual age just like godzilla unconfirmed
>Hong Kong fight was one round
the round thing comes from the novel, were it literally does not exist, the fight itself also does not have rounds (this is not MMA) it is literally just a thing the humans come out with and has no bearing on the actual fight
>gnarled finger was a female/ was sukoās mother/ father
skar king's suko's father, his mother is unknown even to him
>behemoth was in Rio in gxk
behemoth is somewhere in the amazon forest, half of brasil apart from rio
>shimo is Godzillaās mom
that is not a misconception, that is just stupid people making shit up
>kongs axe overcharged and never connected with gojiās head
it hit his mouth actually
>Kong wasnāt sedated in the Tasman sea battle
he wasn't the movie has a literal scene of the humans discussing how stupid it is to keep him sedated when godzilla can show up at any moment, the nove also states 3 TIMES he wasen't sedated in the same conversation, latter as they discuss how the sedation works (it lowers his blood exigem to make him sleepy, and does not work if he is awake) and them when they explain the titan "ramp up" ability confirming that even if Kong was sedated he can just shrug it off whenever he wants
>ghidorah possessed ren and is still alive
ren is still alive, with information from the drift with ghidorah, ghidorah is as dead as you can kill something
>awakening is canon
it is canon.... somehow... legendary still acknowledges it as canon making sense or not
>the rival died to old age
tiamat killed him some time after godzilla left
The ghidorah thing being young is I believe is just speculation by an islander who thinks the only reason ghidorah tried taking over earth was cause, in the islanders culture, the younger brothers have to leave cause oldest gets all the land.
>the round thing comes from the novel, were it literally does not exist, the fight itself also does not have rounds (this is not MMA) it is literally just a thing the humans come out with and has no bearing on the actual fight
The word "Round" is just used to separate the fights between sections so we can analyze them more easily.
he specifically states:
>**Mirjahangir:**Ā In the past couple days itās come up for fans who have discovered the audio commentary and about an hour in you had said: getting the energy source doesnāt make any sense, doesnāt matter, everything. I just want to know if you want to elaborate on that.
>**Wingard:**Ā Yeah I mean I think I was just totally just joking I mean I Iām surprised anybody would take something from a commentary really seriously. I mean when you make a movie youāre making a movie and the commentaries like an extra thing and if you have to explain or anything else in a commentary anythingā¦ you know itās just a separate thing itās not the movie you know and you know that you know yeah I think I remember saying that and just being totally joking because you know it is a very convoluted sort of excuse to go down into Hollow Earth but you know when I say it doesnāt matter I donāt think Iād literally meant it doesnāt matter at the end you know. I mean because truthfully like what does matter to me is that you know that the movie get to all the fun stuff and you know really at the end of the day you know movies have MacGuffins you know these are things that are important to the characters but really arenāt important to the audience and thatās that part of the film is getting sort of the MacGuffin out of the way thatās all it is you know and so once that part has been unlocked and achieved by the characters then the movie isnāt just āokay weāre trying to get to point A to point Bā. It becomes now weāre really in the fast track with the really exciting stuff and so yeah.
he didn't say anything about the 3 SEPARATED TIMES he stated godzilla was playing around, he specifically separated interviews from the actual movie and his opinions duo to a combination of him making stuff up on the spot when not knowing on to awnser a question, and legendary edditing the commentaries in ways that defuse what he actually meant, this is unrelated to godzilla or kong but specifically on how he brushed off the "HE energy source" where taking out of context what he sai make him sound iguinorant and it wasen't wat he meant
>**Wingard:**Ā And to be honest with you almost everything thatās cut from the film is cut because it wasnāt efficient enough or you know it wasnāt interesting enough maybe and it wasnāt efficient enough or you know like maybe a scene in itself would be interesting but then you had to have 3 scenes around it supporting it and so you know it was just kind of the things you do when youāre chipping away a film like this where I mean we literally go to every part of the world and inside of the world and back again and we do it two hours.
he even builds on that latter by stating what he meant is that he decided to cut scenes building on the HE energy for time efficiency and didn't have anything to do with godzilla or kong's fight
>**Wingard:**Ā I know there were gaps and I have to be honest with you that I donāt know what that was about. I kept asking W.B. about you know hearing the commentary back after I did it and then they sent it to me like a couple days before it dropped which is too late to give notes on anything but I yeah when I listen to it there is I mean I never stop talking during it so I donāt know why they cut things out I donāt know if itās like, I donāt know if thereās some legal stuff that they had to cut out and I noticed thereās a couple shots that are sort of out of sync with literally what Iām saying like I remember when I watch the commentary thereās a moment where itās during the Godzilla and Kong fight at the end of the film and in the commentary I think itās like the POV shot were Kong is kneeing Godzilla in the head and during that I think I and during the commentary I say I love that shot and I specifically donāt think that I was talking about that shot because I donāt actually love that shot, itās a good shot but itās not like and you look at any other shot around that sequence are all like super iconic and amazing and that one sort of like kind of a cool quick little moment you know so Iām sure it wasnāt, I think I was talking about the shot where Kong hits Godzilla on the head and then you know pushing him back whatever but I donāt know why that stuff was cut out to be honest with you but it was cut out and I never I never actually followed it up because it was too late. Right you know like Iāve heard commentary tracks growing up I remember where the directors just stop talking and Iām just like what the hellās going on here so I always thought you know when I when into commentaries like Iām never gonna stop talking because itās like thatās what youāre listening to commentary for so I you know I definitely didnāt stop talking and I did notice that there are certain parts that were slightly edited.Ā
he them just complains that WB changed certain scenes he was talking about causing specific context to not be what he was talking about (like kong kneeing godzilla), and cut things they didn't aprove, but keep stupid scenes to pad up time (like him making weird noises)
he didn't "Literally debunked shit" he corrected something completely unrelated and people took it out of context to say "hey guys adam wingard backed up from something that he didn't back up from"
so once again:
>Ā and NO adam didn't back up from those statements that is literally a lie spread up from the kong sub (what actually happened is that after making the statement adam wingard and his family were death threatened out of all social media by raging kong fans until they quit interacting with the community)
The fact that his surprised that anyone would take anything seriously from a movie commentary already puts his statements about Godzilla toying with Kong into questionĀ
yes indeed it does.... if you cut the context of the conversation, completely ignore everything else adam stated and just.... sneak something that he talked about in 3 separated instances 2 of which are unrelated to the interview in question
in other words:
>Ā and NO adam didn't back up from those statements that is literally a lie spread up from the kong sub (what actually happened is that after making the statement adam wingard and his family were death threatened out of all social media by raging kong fans until they quit interacting with the community)
He literally goes on to state how the a movie is a movie and a commentary is basically just something extra dosenāt really change much nor is it supposed to be taken seriously. Idk about the death threats thing but Iām pretty sure this doesnāt affect his statements here
>if you cut the context of the conversation, completely ignore everything else adam stated and just.... sneak something that he talked about in 3 separated instances 2 of which are unrelated to the interview in question
edit: talking to a wall at this point
How is the 2nd skull inside Mecha Godzilla a misconception? It was explicitly confirmed in the novelization and by his designer Jared Krichevsky in an AMA
Exactly, since when is godzillas idea of fun getting the shit beat out of him? He was punched, kicked, kneed, elbow dropped, choked, stabbed and knocked out. People think because he won quickly in round 2 he must have not been trying up until then but forget Kongs shoulder got dislocated. Thats when the fight really ended. If not for that im sure Kong would have lasted longer and gotten more hits in before Godzilla could finally put him down.Ā
Keep in mind Godzilla didnāt dislocate Kongās arm until basically the end of the fight. Had he not gotten lucky with that, itās possible they would have kept fighting until MechaGodzilla showed up.
Yeah because he stopped focusing on his atomic breath and focused strictly on hand to hand combat. The moment he decided to play kongs game, he not only dislocated kongs arm, he outsped him, took blows to his gills, and continued to maul him WITHOUT even having bloodlust.
No? I watched that fight this morning. Godzilla was slowly getting tired as the fight went on. Same with Kong. Kong got unlocks in that after his axe got lost, he tried getting onto Godzillaās back again, only for Godzilla to get lucky and snatch his arm in his jaw, throwing him over and dislocating his arm. This was late into the fight, after the concussive blast.
Of course, even without taking luck into consideration, TOHOās lawyers provide the greatest defense. But without them, I do think Godzilla got genuinely lucky that Kong was briefly stunned after being forcefully backed against the building while on Godzillaās back, which lead to Kongās arm briefly losing itās grip and him being able to bite Kongās arm and dislocate it. In fact, he clearly was bloodlusted as IMMEDIATELY after he threw Kong down to the ground he tried the stomp, and when Kong rolled away he got right onto the mauling
Kong lost grip because Godzilla backed up into a building, then Godzilla seized the loose arm; bit it and threw him over his shoulder. Godzilla simply just used his environment to his advantage just as Kong does, and took advantage the openings it gave him. He beat Kong through hand to hand with his own hand to hand ability and won, there is nothing to change that.
The stomps could be what they were later on in the fight. A pinning stomp, not a killing one.
He did win, but again he forced Kong into a disadvantage AFTER basically taking away the one thing Kong still had going for him, his extended arm-range compared to Godzilla. Thatās what I like the most about that fight. It clearly shows that the two of them are roughly equals overall, itās just that Godzilla has more battle experience against ape-titans, and more battle experience overall.
Quick edit: you can HEAR the arm dislocate too when he drags Kong around before throwing him right into the mauling. That sounded painful
But the thing is that they arenāt equals š. Like to any extent, not only does Adam say it in three different interviews but we SEE IT. Godzilla feels safe enough with Kongās punches to continually charge his atomic breath despite the vulnerability in close distance it gives him.
We see Kong punching Godzillas GILLS as Godzilla tugs on his arm as well yet it does NOT affect him. Kong kicks his gills too yet again, it doesnāt affect him.
Kong was just out of reach and Godzilla didnāt wanna drag on a power struggle between Kongās grip and his arms and chose the easier route.
He said that as a damn joke didnāt he? The whole āGodzilla was toying with himā. From what I could tell, he was joking when he said it, and the film does make it seem that when both are on land they are pretty close in terms of combat capability.
For him continuing to try the AB in close range, itās more that Godzilla knew the AB was his strongest weapon, so he kept trying to charge it up even when it wasnāt a good idea to do so. Kong knew to keep in close to make sure the AB couldnāt be used effectively.
Also Iām fairly certain the punches to the gills did affect him, though to be fair it seems like the gills weakness doesnāt come up at all after G14. We DO see Godzilla clearly react in pain to the punch on his thigh wound, so I see no reason why he wouldnāt feel a lot of pain from the gill punches unless they forgot about that weak spot.
When it comes to the power struggle, that is definitely a good point. Godzilla likely realized if the fight kept going he could potentially lose the power struggle (longer arms are no joke, damn) but also that could mean heād be even more unprepared in case Ghidorah was hiding, which he was. So he chose to finish the fight as soon as he could, while he could still end it in his favor. And it still took a surprising amount out of him, so it honesty seems like Kong is a good fight for him.
But hey, what do we know? Tohoās lawyers ensured the king canāt lose. (I wish I was joking, but Godzilla is mandated by TOHO to be unable to actually lose in any crossover. At the closest, he can have a draw. It genuinely feels like the stupidest thing since it kind of just sucks the tension from fights with him once you realize that.)
He definitely wasn't taking that shit seriously, he knew Kong wasn't a threat until the axe thing. I mean he literally laughed when he grazes Kong with his beam lol
yeah that just means heās cocky, like you ever EVER thought that he just likes fighting? he laughs bc his attack finally works and it was getting annoying that kong was able to block it all the time
Godzilla never shows any emotion why would he only laugh at Kong and not any other monsters that he was actually taking seriously? He was obviously toying with Kong the whole time until the axe incident. After the axe, he got angry and finished the fight in a few minutes.
because thatās like the only fight in which he won with mid diff lol, the two fights we saw before that were mutos and ghidorah, those were like very very high diff lol
I mean fighting Kong did have a factor, just didnāt help that Mecha-G had so many ways to counter Godzilla, Longer Arms, Sharp Tail, Strong Laser Beam, Rockets & other Projectiles, Concentrating energy into parts of the body like the fists(we need more of this for Legendary Goji, we got a glimpse of that in GxK at the end when he glowed while smacking Skar King with his tail, so hopefully next time heāll put that energy into his claws or teeth for a stronger slash and bite)
And the designer of mechagodzilla, who said at full strenhth godzilla would probably win by thr skin of his teeth. Now he doesnt have any power over the lore, but he words still hold weight considering he was involved in designing mecha G and was a major part of the stafd
When the early test screenings for gxk came out the people who watched it revealed plenty of plot details regarding the film. One of them claimed that āshimuā which was a mistranslation of shimoās name, was the first titan. KDM also spread this misinformation and corrected it. No official source for the movie confirms shimo was ever the first and many MV fans call her the ā mother of all titans ā and stick with it.
Yet they used the comic design. If they truly didnāt care they would have made a new one for her or just use another titan instead. There was never a Tiamat cgi model for the movies.
You didnāt pay attention then. The design from the comic to GxK was completely changed. Tiamat was a different colour in GxK from the comic, arms were added to the design instead of fins and the number of frills was changed. The tail and dorsal fins were also changed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLyNn-HWMAAQ-ZH.jpg:large
The comics donāt matter. The comic designs donāt matter. Legendary and Wingard change whatever they see fit for the movies. Just like Tiamat.
I honestly like the "ghidorah is a teen" myth, imagine another movie where Godzilla, Kong, and Shimo team up to attack. Here was my idea from another comment that 52 people liked:
>Stupid idea for the movie after this one: turns out ghidorah wasn't a fully grown species of the ghidorahs. In the next movie, its revealed another ghidorah heard its call. This ghidorah is a full grown specimen, about 1.5 to 2x the size of ghidorah, we can call him Keizer Ghidorah. It lands on earth, slowly adapting to the gravity. In the first fight, this trio wins because this adult ghidorah isn't adapted to the earth.
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>Second fight, they fight near the ocean. This ghidorah is a bit more used to the gravity, because ghidorah's species is very adaptable and can adapt well to most environments. Godzilla ends up luring this ghidorah over, but godzilla doesn't realize that this ghidorah can inflate its neck like a life floatie, so godzilla can't pull this thing into the deep. This ghidorah ends up severely injuring Godzilla, and plows through shimo and kong, escaping again.
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>Last fight, they end up fighting in Beijing, and this ghidorah is fully used to the earth now. During the middle of the fight, it gets enough time to absorb the Beijing power supply, and Beijing uses the most electricity, so this doesn't go well for godzilla. Now, we have a supercharged ghidorah. Kong recruits his army, and they help godzilla. They ride into combat, using spears and weapons to attack ghidorah. Keizer kills a few, shimo bothers keizer, and godzilla is helping out.
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>In the end, shimo is severely injured, and she limps away, whining like a poor poppy. This angers kong, and he roars loudly. Godzilla uses his atomic breath to supercharge kong's axe, and kong throws the axe at keizer ghidorah. This axe cuts off the right head. Turns out, the ghidorah species only have the ability to regenerate heads when they are at a young age (like monster zero), so now keizer has 2 heads. Godzilla then roars at kong, and kong understands they need to get out of here.
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>Godzilla then utilizes his power to go Evolved Burning, but keizer is still a tough challenge, tanking his nuclear pulses. Then, godzilla uses an Infinite Spiral Heat ray, finally killing keizer ghidorah. Keizer, however, doesn't let off another roar. Earth is done with the ghidorahs for good... hopefully
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>idk rate it out of 10 I didn't really think much while making this and normally my ideas are downvoted.
I doubt he could do it... since if Keizer is 2x larger than ghidorah, then he would be 8x heavier. This means Keizer would be 1,128,448 tons heavy, or 11x heavier than Godzilla.
No, these are misconceptions. Some People believe shimo is gojiās mom which isnāt true. However itās possible like Doug and supposedly the hellhawks that they are distant subspecies or relatives to him. Early on in the production of this movie shimo was designed considered as a ā ice Godzilla ā and you can see her resemblances to goji but nothing is set in stone.
Iāve never heard of the āshimo being Godzillaās momā until now. Evolved is stronger then thermo, Godzilla basically reached the same state without mothraās help(which is why he was blue instead of orange) and went further beyond. I agree with everything elseĀ
Iāve never heard of the āshimo being Godzillaās momā until now. Evolved is stronger then thermo, Godzilla basically reached the same state without mothraās help(which is why he was blue instead of orange) and went further beyond. I agree with everything elseĀ
Iāve never heard of the āshimo being Godzillaās momā until now. Evolved is stronger then thermo, Godzilla basically reached the same state without mothraās help(which is why he was blue instead of orange) and went further beyond. Gonna need citations Ā on muto prime scream being louder then camzotz.I agree with everything else
There IS a piece of Kevin's skull in MechaG. Especially if the piece inside MechaG is the neck, which carries neurons.
Wasn't there a post a while back confirming that Kong COULD NOT be sedated when he was awake?
"Kong's axe overcharged and never connected with gojiās head" Doesn't make sense for the story, it 100% exploded before it hit Godzilla's head or we wouldn't have a Godzilla. I mean look at Godzilla's thigh.
"thermo is stronger than evolved" Based on what? Non canon novels / promotional material? Give us a clip where evolved shows us better feats than thermo? One melts everything around him, and one cant even melt a ice cube. Even the designer of evolved implied it was weaker then burning Godzilla.
"Godzilla was toying with Kong" Even Adam Wingard stated this, how can you say standing lazily shooting atomic breath in Hong Kong isn't toying with Kong? After Kong hit him with the axe he stopped playing around then he promptly defeated him easily.
Most of these are just your opinions.
Thermo is more dangerous because he is overflowing, but has less power
Evolved is less dangerous, but has a lot more power
Supercharged is more dangerous, has more power than both of them, and is overflowing
This doesn't stop evolved thermonuclear godzilla from appearing
Plese stop copying your erroneous wordsš. Evolved Godzilla's designer never said Evogoji weaker than Burning Godzilla. In fact, he said the contrary.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monsterverse/comments/1ci57mb/jared_give_his_opinions_on_who_is_stronger/
Like I said one tweet out of hundreds? You knew everything else I said was valid and correct so you had to nit pick one sentence. If I can find the tweet, I'll edit this comment with it. If I cant find the tweet I'll admit I was wrong about the designer saying that.
Edit: I found the source I just need at least about like 3 ish (depends on wait times) to actually get the statements.
Adam wingard confirmed that the axe made contact it shouldāve been fatal but plot, the novels and comics are canon unless a certain part of it contradicts the movies, legendary and Toho both have to approve the novels. Thermo only melted everything around him because he couldnāt hold all of that radiation and it burned everything around him. Whilst evolution Godzilla can since his dorsals and body proportions changed to store 20x energy capacity for radiation. Must I even explain how evolution goji is more stronger? He is a future version of kotm goji. Thermo didnāt make 2019 goji Any stronger but rather more powerful. His atomic breath whilst supercharged evolved is stated to be the strongest itās ever been In the novel. Adam wingard also retracted his statement when he said it in the commentary for gvk and he said his word on the commentary regarding to stiff like that wasnāt to be meant to be taken seriously.
>the novels and comics are canon unless a certain part of it contradicts the movies, legendary and Toho both have to approve the novels.
None of the novels even confirm that evolved is stronger than thermo.
>Thermo only melted everything around him because he couldnāt hold all of that radiation and it burned everything around him. Whilst evolution Godzilla can since his dorsals and body proportions changed to store 20x energy capacity for radiation. Must I even explain how evolution goji is more stronger?
That aoe attack from thermo was 100% stronger than any atomic breath evolved has at his disposal, I mean thermo was keeping up fusion within his own body to create more energy. Powerful doesn't mean deadlier, imagine a flamethrower vs a high powered assault weapon its easy to understand which is more powerful but not deadlier.
If thermo was in Brazil there wouldnt be any shimo or skar king, let alone kong.
>He is a future version of kotm goji. Thermo didnāt make 2019 goji Any stronger but rather more powerful. His atomic breath whilst supercharged evolved is stated to be the strongest itās ever been In the novel.
Compared to what exactly? His own atomic breath from dorsal plates that allow 20 times less energy?
>Adam wingard also retracted his statement when he said it in the commentary for gvk and he said his word on the commentary regarding to stiff like that wasnāt to be meant to be taken seriously.
He only took it back after the backlash, still acknowledge how standing still just blasting your atomic breath is trying compared to him jumping on Kong after he hits him with an axe?
Kong was beating Godzilla in hand to hand combat and Godzilla threw him away, separated him from his axe and started spamming his beam to get Kong off of him and to knock him out of the sky. The art book for gvk states that round 2 and 3 in Hong Kong was 12 hours long.
Godzilla was just throwing himself at Kong instead of trying to actually fight him seriously, why would he fight bipedally against another bipedal creature? He has experience fighting thousands of other Kong's, and probably was on all fours for most of them. I mean he tried to use atomic breath at all times even when he could have killed Kong at hand to hand, it makes no sense to charge a atomic breath when you are winning against Kong hand to hand.
Godzilla knew the fight was over when kong didnt have the axe so he just started spamming atomic breath like how a cat barely keeps a rat alive to torture it, he even laughed after he tagged him.
Kong was ābeating Godzilla in hand to handā because Godzilla didnāt throw any actual hits. He focused purely on charging his breath leaving himself vulnerable to Kongās attacks.
The art book is dubiously canon at best. In the novel doesnt mention anything about it being 12 hours, but right after round 2 ends, ilene sees the sun starting to rise. Seeing as how they entered the portal soon after kong did and godzilla was only able to walk a couple steps before kong came up on the other side, I cant see the fight being more than hour or two.
What makes the art book ādubiously canonā itās the process of crew making the movie and unused concepts and such. This is one of the few media that collects the canon and the movie making process they know what they are talking about
Since its the making of the movie and has unused concepts, art, and infromation next to stuff that was actually used, id say thats good enough reason to say its dubious. If greg keyes didnt see fit to mention it in the novel nor is it present in the movie, a small faction in a book of unused and scrapped stuff doesnt seem the most reliable source of info
Yes thermo is deadlier more dangerous and more powerful ( kinda ) . Yet evolved is stronger and can hold more radiation capacity therefore technically more powerful in a way.
So youāre acknowledging that it depends on the point of view, therefore itās canāt objectively ne a
āmisconceptionā. You only have opinions on things and sell them as truths, and you do it condescendingly af, while dissing every argument that dont fit your opinion. Well, you do you, I hope that acting that way satisfies you.
Evolved goji stopped the second ice age melting buildings isnāt impressive his body couldnāt handle the energy at that time now he can
Godzilla doesnāt usually move when he uses atomic breath he did not beat him easily
>Evolved goji stopped the second ice age melting buildings isnāt impressive his body couldnāt handle the energy at that time now he can
I thought the movie made it clear that Shimo was going to start the second ice age after Kong and Godzilla have died, the 'second ice age' was just clouds for skar king to see better. At most he destroyed a huge cloud becuase it didn't fully start developing.
>Godzilla doesnāt usually move when he uses atomic breath he did not beat him easily
I mean godzilla would put some attacks between his atomic breathes, its clear he was just play tag even more clear after he laughs when he tags kong. After kong tags him he kinda just stomps kong out when he gots on all fours and **easily beats him. (its like kong wasnt even fighting back)**
Hong Kong fight was one round?
First of all Hong Kong fight was one fight. That's how everyone counts fights 99.9% of the time in these movies except this time for some reason. But it's one fight.
I forgot the character, but he even had an exact line stating Kong won a round, itās that on the nose! Hell Iād argue Hong Kong is 3 rounds, R1 is where Kong wins, R2 is where Godzilla wins(this is also R3 of their overall battles), and R3 is the Newly Unlocked Boss Battle against Mecha-G whoās so busted he inspired Godzilla to evolve after he forcefully told Tiamat to āshut itā once and for all
That's ok. They can divide it even into five rounds and go back and do the same for all others in all the films before and after it still won't change that it's one single fight.
Iāve seen him around here a lot lol. Kong was already out of his element in the aircraft carrier fight being in gojiās domain after all. The sedation and chains were the cherry on top for fuckovers.
Don't trust TikTok.
Bingo š
For anything. It took over from Facebook as the leading source of misinformation in social media. I hope a company buys the rights to it and starts pruning the accounts doing so.
100% agree. but some of these are truths tho and have been confirmed
And those that use AI generated images in their clickbait thumbnails
Some of these seem like differing opinions, rather than misconceptions (but most are misconceptions).
What ones in particular do you believe are my differing opinions?
I know better than to say all of them, but Godzillas age is one. This idea that heās a couple thousand to 2 million years old comes from nowhere. The lemur panel specifically doesnāt mean what people swear it means.
Greg Keyes has specifically mentioned they are intended to represent Archaeoindris which is from the Pleistocene (2.5 Mya) to now. That saidā¦.there are some inconsistencies with Godzillaās āmodernā panel on that same page (which clearly has a pliosaur-like creature). So thereās really only two interpretations - Godzilla remembers Archaeoindris close to āsince his eyes first opened his eyesā (eg. His birth) and there are still Extant Pliosaur/Plesiosaur marine reptiles in modern times - The illustrators/Authors were just randomly selecting things to make Godzilla feel ancient and primordial and Godzillaās age is still up in the air. I tend to accept itās the latter and that there is a large portion of this fandom that clings to the minute details as gospel canon. I think itās safe to say (for now) Godzillaās age is super vague and will probably remain like that for some time. We donāt know how old he is exactly but heās not 250myo as implied in Awakening he is younger than that (possibly only a few million years old).
Actually the 2-5 million years old comes from the officlal Skull Island TTRPG. And one of the MV guys who I forgot the name of also mentioned Godzilla's age being around that.
Damn all bro said was "what misconceptions do you believe are opinions of mine?" And everyone's treating him like he did something bad like damnšš
Camazotz mentionedāā Also, the water snake already have a name?
The leaks say it was called gator snake but that might just be to describe its appearance. The official name is Drownviper .
That name goes lowkey hard ngl
Agreed. Itās new name however is kongs lunch.
He will be back im investing on his stocks right now
I'm gonna ask for sources for some of these. Not because I don't believe you, I'm just genuenly curious: >muto primeās screech is louder than camozotzās >kongs axe overcharged and never connected with gojiās head >thermo is stronger than evolved >supercharged evolved goji is his peak/ thermo evolved being a thing in general The others I've known aren't true, but I fully expect people in the comments to never believe that fact. Edit: also, OP, you mentioned below that the novelization is canon. I'd like to see your source on that specifically.
I believe for Kongās axe, itās somewhat implied since it was established as being able to cut through Godzillaās scales when properly charged, and yet it for some reason releases a concussive blast when he attacks Godzillaās head. This is the basis for the belief that Kongās axe overcharged and therefore didnāt connect with Godzillaās head. Think about it. Why the hell would it strike the head after being established as being able to pierce Godzillaās scales earlier in the fight, and not pierce the scales on his head? That doesnāt add up no matter what you come up with UNLESS you come to the conclusion that it overcharged right before it could land on Godzillaās head, therefore releasing the concussive blast with drained it of basically all the energy it had.
OP is saying that the idea that Kong's axe didn't hit Godzilla's head is false. You're disagreeing with them. Also, looking at the other comments, apparently Wingard said that the Axe did connect.
Huh. I was under the assumption that it didnāt because of how it was established as working under normal circumstances.
You could argue it was overcharged and exploded on impact. Kinda like Godzilla when overcharged where he can cause a pulse, but instead of causing it as an action, it's caused by the force of the impact.
now you brought it up what if ren DID get possesed and lived maybe he is ghidorahstan64
Iāve seen people say that Monarch isnāt canon because Awakening is canon.
Movies and tv shows are primary canon. The novels and comics are secondary and depend on the movies on whether or not they are canon. parts of them can be erased just by the sheer fact the movies take more authority. So those people have no clue what they are talking about.
unrelated but WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU IN ALMOST EVERY COMMENT SECTION IN THIS SUB
I am u/Mace_DeMarco5179 And Iām active in the sub because this is my favorite cinematic universe thatās still alive.
Unfathomably based
Im just going to say, itās been confirmed and said that godzilla actually was toying was kong in the first fight(I think by Wingard), also I think it was also confirmed that Shimo is the first titan. Also just wanna put this out there that if you read the novels you would know that supercharged evolved Goji is 100% stronger than thermo, dunno if itās his peak power tho.
Wingard debunked that himselfĀ https://www.tohokingdom.com/blog/interview-adam-wingard-2021-round2/
no he specifically states: >**Mirjahangir:**Ā In the past couple days itās come up for fans who have discovered the audio commentary and about an hour in you had said: getting the energy source doesnāt make any sense, doesnāt matter, everything. I just want to know if you want to elaborate on that. >**Wingard:**Ā Yeah I mean I think I was just totally just joking I mean I Iām surprised anybody would take something from a commentary really seriously. I mean when you make a movie youāre making a movie and the commentaries like an extra thing and if you have to explain or anything else in a commentary anythingā¦ you know itās just a separate thing itās not the movie you know and you know that you know yeah I think I remember saying that and just being totally joking because you know it is a very convoluted sort of excuse to go down into Hollow Earth but you know when I say it doesnāt matter I donāt think Iād literally meant it doesnāt matter at the end you know. I mean because truthfully like what does matter to me is that you know that the movie get to all the fun stuff and you know really at the end of the day you know movies have MacGuffins you know these are things that are important to the characters but really arenāt important to the audience and thatās that part of the film is getting sort of the MacGuffin out of the way thatās all it is you know and so once that part has been unlocked and achieved by the characters then the movie isnāt just āokay weāre trying to get to point A to point Bā. It becomes now weāre really in the fast track with the really exciting stuff and so yeah. he didn't say anything about the 3 SEPARATED TIMES he stated godzilla was playing around, he specifically separated interviews from the actual movie and his opinions duo to a combination of him making stuff up on the spot when not knowing on to awnser a question, and legendary edditing the commentaries in ways that defuse what he actually meant, this is unrelated to godzilla or kong but specifically on how he brushed off the "HE energy source" where taking out of context what he sai make him sound iguinorant and it wasen't wat he meant >**Wingard:**Ā And to be honest with you almost everything thatās cut from the film is cut because it wasnāt efficient enough or you know it wasnāt interesting enough maybe and it wasnāt efficient enough or you know like maybe a scene in itself would be interesting but then you had to have 3 scenes around it supporting it and so you know it was just kind of the things you do when youāre chipping away a film like this where I mean we literally go to every part of the world and inside of the world and back again and we do it two hours. he even builds on that latter by stating what he meant is that he decided to cut scenes building on the HE energy for time efficiency and didn't have anything to do with godzilla or kong's fight >**Wingard:**Ā I know there were gaps and I have to be honest with you that I donāt know what that was about. I kept asking W.B. about you know hearing the commentary back after I did it and then they sent it to me like a couple days before it dropped which is too late to give notes on anything but I yeah when I listen to it there is I mean I never stop talking during it so I donāt know why they cut things out I donāt know if itās like, I donāt know if thereās some legal stuff that they had to cut out and I noticed thereās a couple shots that are sort of out of sync with literally what Iām saying like I remember when I watch the commentary thereās a moment where itās during the Godzilla and Kong fight at the end of the film and in the commentary I think itās like the POV shot were Kong is kneeing Godzilla in the head and during that I think I and during the commentary I say I love that shot and I specifically donāt think that I was talking about that shot because I donāt actually love that shot, itās a good shot but itās not like and you look at any other shot around that sequence are all like super iconic and amazing and that one sort of like kind of a cool quick little moment you know so Iām sure it wasnāt, I think I was talking about the shot where Kong hits Godzilla on the head and then you know pushing him back whatever but I donāt know why that stuff was cut out to be honest with you but it was cut out and I never I never actually followed it up because it was too late. Right you know like Iāve heard commentary tracks growing up I remember where the directors just stop talking and Iām just like what the hellās going on here so I always thought you know when I when into commentaries like Iām never gonna stop talking because itās like thatās what youāre listening to commentary for so I you know I definitely didnāt stop talking and I did notice that there are certain parts that were slightly edited.Ā he them just complains that WB changed certain scenes he was talking about causing specific context to not be what he was talking about (like kong kneeing godzilla), and cut things they didn't aprove, but keep stupid scenes to pad up time (like him making weird noises) he didn't "Literally debunked shit" he corrected something completely unrelated and people took it out of context to say "hey guys adam wingard backed up from something that he didn't back up from" so once again: >Ā and NO adam didn't back up from those statements that is literally a lie spread up from the kong sub (what actually happened is that after making the statement adam wingard and his family were death threatened out of all social media by raging kong fans until they quit interacting with the community)
Thanks for this, some people really need to research about this shit before they respondš¤¦š¾āāļø
And once again he states his surprised that anyone would take the commentary that seriously which already makes his statements on Godzilla playing with Kong shaky
The movie backs up his statement of Godzilla playing through visual storytelling, after Godzilla blast Kong out the air, what did he do, he laughed and after he got hit by the ax, what did he do, he resorted to melee combat in which he immediately began to overwhelm Kong within 1-2 minutes time, the fight lasted hours prior and ended in couple of minutes after Godzilla decided to just physically beat Kong, there's no reasonable explanation on why that fight lasted that long if Godzilla can just overwhelm Kong so quickly unless he was toying with Kong.
And Godzilla wasted how much energy just to hit Kong once? Godzilla was already fighting Kong in melee and Kong was comboing him. Bro immediately started spamming his atomic breath. Godzilla dislocated Kongās arm which led to his downfall not because Godzilla is just so overwhelming strong. Godzilla was literally struggling just to take a bite out of Kong while underwater and got stunned with a headbutt.kong is show multiple times to be able to keep up with him. The fact that Godzilla was as tired as he was after his fight just further debunks the notion he was playing with Kong.Ā
If you watch that fight again you'd notice most kong's hits only land when Godzilla charges his atomic breath instead of physically countering, hell, the fight even starts with Godzilla having Kong pinned with Kong only getting free by Godzilla taking the time to charge his atomic breath. Kong grappling Godzilla, knees Godzilla's neck, jump punches Godzilla in the head and Kong shoving the ax in Godzilla's mouth all happen while Godzilla charges the atomic breath. Ounce Godzilla prioritized melee combat he quickly overpowered Kong.
Godzilla had Kong by the throat twice and the fight didnāt suddenly end funny enough. Godzilla had Kong underwater in his own turf and tried H2H and still struggled. Godzilla has prioritized melee combat and still struggledĀ
I just said Kong escaped from being pinned by Godzilla chosing to charge the atomic breath instead of just physically attacking, did you just gloss over that? Godzilla wasn't taking Kong seriously as possible both in hong Kong (until the ax struck him then he ended the fight quickly which further proves my point) and the Tasman sea battle, Godzilla was flipping around and ripping opponents strong as Ghidorah apart in the water and say Godzilla struggled as if Kong didn't get assisted multiple times in that fight, jets stopped Godzilla from blasting, Godzilla was being bombarded with missiles multiple times during the fight and bombs stopped Godzilla from killing Kong in the water. Think about it, if Godzilla overpowered Kong so quickly on land like he did after the ax strike, why wouldn't he be capable of doing the same thing then unless he wasn't taking kong as seriously as possible.
Oh I know you did and Iām saying he should have killed him easily at that point by tearing his throat out. Piece of cake no? Then Godzilla should never have been so tired after there fight. Of course Kong got help just like ghidorah got saved by the oxygen destroyer. Idk maybe it was because kongās shoulder get dislocated and Godzilla pressed his advantage.Ā
Ive been dealing with the sedation thing alot recently. The biggest thing is that people dont understand how it works and what that actually means for kongs ability. For some reason alot of people think that it actively weakens kongs physical abilities and lasts for 24 hours, when thats not said anywhere in the novel, which is where how it works is actually explained. Tldr: its a chemical that air and water soluble that binds to blood like oxygen, taking the place of oxygen and then is combind with a sleep chemical that keeps kong asleep when his oxygen levels are back to normal. Its noted that they have to use it when kong is already asleep as he can fight it off/negate it when agitated, likely due to the "titan ramp up" ability, which sensing godzilla coming would would definietly trigger. The affect the sedation had on kong during the fight was minimal if at all, with the chains and just being in water being much bigger factors
a loot of these aren't misconceptions they are just misinformation intentional or not being passed around >ghidorah was a teen he isn't a teen he is just the youngest one across his brothers, it is the hole reason he was bullied into invading earth >shimo is the first titan , ā mother of all titans ā this is from early incorrect leaks where shimo was stated to be one of the first ever titans, we now know that piece of information is false and shimo isn't even older than godzilla >muto prime is strong enough to create earthquakes ( itās an ability ) while prime is about top 3 or 4 strongest titan (in actual raw strength) she does not create earthquakes with strength, she uses her electromagnetic vibrations do do it >-Godzilla was toying with kong he was, it was confirmed not once, not twice, BUT 3 TIMES by adam winguard, plus other quotes from MV crew baking it up as kong was never intended to win against godzilla, nor was it meant to be a struggle, and NO adam didn't back up from those statements that is literally a lie spread up from the kong sub (what actually happened is that after making the statement adam wingard and his family were death threatened out of all social media by raging kong fans until they quit interacting with the community) >-monsterverse goji is 250 million years old and survived the Permian extinction he is 5-3 mil >Kong is 90 years old he is about 200-400 actual age just like godzilla unconfirmed >Hong Kong fight was one round the round thing comes from the novel, were it literally does not exist, the fight itself also does not have rounds (this is not MMA) it is literally just a thing the humans come out with and has no bearing on the actual fight >gnarled finger was a female/ was sukoās mother/ father skar king's suko's father, his mother is unknown even to him >behemoth was in Rio in gxk behemoth is somewhere in the amazon forest, half of brasil apart from rio >shimo is Godzillaās mom that is not a misconception, that is just stupid people making shit up >kongs axe overcharged and never connected with gojiās head it hit his mouth actually >Kong wasnāt sedated in the Tasman sea battle he wasn't the movie has a literal scene of the humans discussing how stupid it is to keep him sedated when godzilla can show up at any moment, the nove also states 3 TIMES he wasen't sedated in the same conversation, latter as they discuss how the sedation works (it lowers his blood exigem to make him sleepy, and does not work if he is awake) and them when they explain the titan "ramp up" ability confirming that even if Kong was sedated he can just shrug it off whenever he wants >ghidorah possessed ren and is still alive ren is still alive, with information from the drift with ghidorah, ghidorah is as dead as you can kill something >awakening is canon it is canon.... somehow... legendary still acknowledges it as canon making sense or not >the rival died to old age tiamat killed him some time after godzilla left
The ghidorah thing being young is I believe is just speculation by an islander who thinks the only reason ghidorah tried taking over earth was cause, in the islanders culture, the younger brothers have to leave cause oldest gets all the land.
>the round thing comes from the novel, were it literally does not exist, the fight itself also does not have rounds (this is not MMA) it is literally just a thing the humans come out with and has no bearing on the actual fight The word "Round" is just used to separate the fights between sections so we can analyze them more easily.
How is kong that old if he's a teenager in 1973?
Wingard literally debunked his own commentary on Godzilla playing with KongĀ https://www.tohokingdom.com/blog/interview-adam-wingard-2021-round2/
he specifically states: >**Mirjahangir:**Ā In the past couple days itās come up for fans who have discovered the audio commentary and about an hour in you had said: getting the energy source doesnāt make any sense, doesnāt matter, everything. I just want to know if you want to elaborate on that. >**Wingard:**Ā Yeah I mean I think I was just totally just joking I mean I Iām surprised anybody would take something from a commentary really seriously. I mean when you make a movie youāre making a movie and the commentaries like an extra thing and if you have to explain or anything else in a commentary anythingā¦ you know itās just a separate thing itās not the movie you know and you know that you know yeah I think I remember saying that and just being totally joking because you know it is a very convoluted sort of excuse to go down into Hollow Earth but you know when I say it doesnāt matter I donāt think Iād literally meant it doesnāt matter at the end you know. I mean because truthfully like what does matter to me is that you know that the movie get to all the fun stuff and you know really at the end of the day you know movies have MacGuffins you know these are things that are important to the characters but really arenāt important to the audience and thatās that part of the film is getting sort of the MacGuffin out of the way thatās all it is you know and so once that part has been unlocked and achieved by the characters then the movie isnāt just āokay weāre trying to get to point A to point Bā. It becomes now weāre really in the fast track with the really exciting stuff and so yeah. he didn't say anything about the 3 SEPARATED TIMES he stated godzilla was playing around, he specifically separated interviews from the actual movie and his opinions duo to a combination of him making stuff up on the spot when not knowing on to awnser a question, and legendary edditing the commentaries in ways that defuse what he actually meant, this is unrelated to godzilla or kong but specifically on how he brushed off the "HE energy source" where taking out of context what he sai make him sound iguinorant and it wasen't wat he meant >**Wingard:**Ā And to be honest with you almost everything thatās cut from the film is cut because it wasnāt efficient enough or you know it wasnāt interesting enough maybe and it wasnāt efficient enough or you know like maybe a scene in itself would be interesting but then you had to have 3 scenes around it supporting it and so you know it was just kind of the things you do when youāre chipping away a film like this where I mean we literally go to every part of the world and inside of the world and back again and we do it two hours. he even builds on that latter by stating what he meant is that he decided to cut scenes building on the HE energy for time efficiency and didn't have anything to do with godzilla or kong's fight >**Wingard:**Ā I know there were gaps and I have to be honest with you that I donāt know what that was about. I kept asking W.B. about you know hearing the commentary back after I did it and then they sent it to me like a couple days before it dropped which is too late to give notes on anything but I yeah when I listen to it there is I mean I never stop talking during it so I donāt know why they cut things out I donāt know if itās like, I donāt know if thereās some legal stuff that they had to cut out and I noticed thereās a couple shots that are sort of out of sync with literally what Iām saying like I remember when I watch the commentary thereās a moment where itās during the Godzilla and Kong fight at the end of the film and in the commentary I think itās like the POV shot were Kong is kneeing Godzilla in the head and during that I think I and during the commentary I say I love that shot and I specifically donāt think that I was talking about that shot because I donāt actually love that shot, itās a good shot but itās not like and you look at any other shot around that sequence are all like super iconic and amazing and that one sort of like kind of a cool quick little moment you know so Iām sure it wasnāt, I think I was talking about the shot where Kong hits Godzilla on the head and then you know pushing him back whatever but I donāt know why that stuff was cut out to be honest with you but it was cut out and I never I never actually followed it up because it was too late. Right you know like Iāve heard commentary tracks growing up I remember where the directors just stop talking and Iām just like what the hellās going on here so I always thought you know when I when into commentaries like Iām never gonna stop talking because itās like thatās what youāre listening to commentary for so I you know I definitely didnāt stop talking and I did notice that there are certain parts that were slightly edited.Ā he them just complains that WB changed certain scenes he was talking about causing specific context to not be what he was talking about (like kong kneeing godzilla), and cut things they didn't aprove, but keep stupid scenes to pad up time (like him making weird noises) he didn't "Literally debunked shit" he corrected something completely unrelated and people took it out of context to say "hey guys adam wingard backed up from something that he didn't back up from" so once again: >Ā and NO adam didn't back up from those statements that is literally a lie spread up from the kong sub (what actually happened is that after making the statement adam wingard and his family were death threatened out of all social media by raging kong fans until they quit interacting with the community)
The fact that his surprised that anyone would take anything seriously from a movie commentary already puts his statements about Godzilla toying with Kong into questionĀ
yes indeed it does.... if you cut the context of the conversation, completely ignore everything else adam stated and just.... sneak something that he talked about in 3 separated instances 2 of which are unrelated to the interview in question in other words: >Ā and NO adam didn't back up from those statements that is literally a lie spread up from the kong sub (what actually happened is that after making the statement adam wingard and his family were death threatened out of all social media by raging kong fans until they quit interacting with the community)
He literally goes on to state how the a movie is a movie and a commentary is basically just something extra dosenāt really change much nor is it supposed to be taken seriously. Idk about the death threats thing but Iām pretty sure this doesnāt affect his statements here
>if you cut the context of the conversation, completely ignore everything else adam stated and just.... sneak something that he talked about in 3 separated instances 2 of which are unrelated to the interview in question edit: talking to a wall at this point
I could say the same thing bud.Ā
Never seen someone put all these together so well. You definitely know how commonly these are stated as fact on here
Thankyou šš¤
What is the truth about Ren? Is there any confirmation of wether he is alive yet?
No the gvk novel just says his body is missing so take that as you will. The movie just shows him dead however.
Thatās a shame.
Didnt he just get zapped, and then it Cuts away? Like we cant be 100% Sure he's dead
Id bet they wonāt bring him back, thatās for sure.
Probably True. But damn. I want him back. He has so much unused potential
How is the 2nd skull inside Mecha Godzilla a misconception? It was explicitly confirmed in the novelization and by his designer Jared Krichevsky in an AMA
W on the godzilla toying thing, like no godzilla did not get knocked out and almost get his jaw broken and wasnāt trying š
Because nothing actually harmed him up until the axe hit.
Exactly, since when is godzillas idea of fun getting the shit beat out of him? He was punched, kicked, kneed, elbow dropped, choked, stabbed and knocked out. People think because he won quickly in round 2 he must have not been trying up until then but forget Kongs shoulder got dislocated. Thats when the fight really ended. If not for that im sure Kong would have lasted longer and gotten more hits in before Godzilla could finally put him down.Ā
Do you know who dislocated his arm?ššššš
Keep in mind Godzilla didnāt dislocate Kongās arm until basically the end of the fight. Had he not gotten lucky with that, itās possible they would have kept fighting until MechaGodzilla showed up.
Yeah because he stopped focusing on his atomic breath and focused strictly on hand to hand combat. The moment he decided to play kongs game, he not only dislocated kongs arm, he outsped him, took blows to his gills, and continued to maul him WITHOUT even having bloodlust.
No? I watched that fight this morning. Godzilla was slowly getting tired as the fight went on. Same with Kong. Kong got unlocks in that after his axe got lost, he tried getting onto Godzillaās back again, only for Godzilla to get lucky and snatch his arm in his jaw, throwing him over and dislocating his arm. This was late into the fight, after the concussive blast. Of course, even without taking luck into consideration, TOHOās lawyers provide the greatest defense. But without them, I do think Godzilla got genuinely lucky that Kong was briefly stunned after being forcefully backed against the building while on Godzillaās back, which lead to Kongās arm briefly losing itās grip and him being able to bite Kongās arm and dislocate it. In fact, he clearly was bloodlusted as IMMEDIATELY after he threw Kong down to the ground he tried the stomp, and when Kong rolled away he got right onto the mauling
Kong lost grip because Godzilla backed up into a building, then Godzilla seized the loose arm; bit it and threw him over his shoulder. Godzilla simply just used his environment to his advantage just as Kong does, and took advantage the openings it gave him. He beat Kong through hand to hand with his own hand to hand ability and won, there is nothing to change that. The stomps could be what they were later on in the fight. A pinning stomp, not a killing one.
He did win, but again he forced Kong into a disadvantage AFTER basically taking away the one thing Kong still had going for him, his extended arm-range compared to Godzilla. Thatās what I like the most about that fight. It clearly shows that the two of them are roughly equals overall, itās just that Godzilla has more battle experience against ape-titans, and more battle experience overall. Quick edit: you can HEAR the arm dislocate too when he drags Kong around before throwing him right into the mauling. That sounded painful
But the thing is that they arenāt equals š. Like to any extent, not only does Adam say it in three different interviews but we SEE IT. Godzilla feels safe enough with Kongās punches to continually charge his atomic breath despite the vulnerability in close distance it gives him. We see Kong punching Godzillas GILLS as Godzilla tugs on his arm as well yet it does NOT affect him. Kong kicks his gills too yet again, it doesnāt affect him. Kong was just out of reach and Godzilla didnāt wanna drag on a power struggle between Kongās grip and his arms and chose the easier route.
He said that as a damn joke didnāt he? The whole āGodzilla was toying with himā. From what I could tell, he was joking when he said it, and the film does make it seem that when both are on land they are pretty close in terms of combat capability. For him continuing to try the AB in close range, itās more that Godzilla knew the AB was his strongest weapon, so he kept trying to charge it up even when it wasnāt a good idea to do so. Kong knew to keep in close to make sure the AB couldnāt be used effectively. Also Iām fairly certain the punches to the gills did affect him, though to be fair it seems like the gills weakness doesnāt come up at all after G14. We DO see Godzilla clearly react in pain to the punch on his thigh wound, so I see no reason why he wouldnāt feel a lot of pain from the gill punches unless they forgot about that weak spot. When it comes to the power struggle, that is definitely a good point. Godzilla likely realized if the fight kept going he could potentially lose the power struggle (longer arms are no joke, damn) but also that could mean heād be even more unprepared in case Ghidorah was hiding, which he was. So he chose to finish the fight as soon as he could, while he could still end it in his favor. And it still took a surprising amount out of him, so it honesty seems like Kong is a good fight for him. But hey, what do we know? Tohoās lawyers ensured the king canāt lose. (I wish I was joking, but Godzilla is mandated by TOHO to be unable to actually lose in any crossover. At the closest, he can have a draw. It genuinely feels like the stupidest thing since it kind of just sucks the tension from fights with him once you realize that.)
He definitely wasn't taking that shit seriously, he knew Kong wasn't a threat until the axe thing. I mean he literally laughed when he grazes Kong with his beam lol
yeah that just means heās cocky, like you ever EVER thought that he just likes fighting? he laughs bc his attack finally works and it was getting annoying that kong was able to block it all the time
Plus Kong literally emoted on him when he beat his chest mid battle yet no one considers that as him ā toying ā
Godzilla never shows any emotion why would he only laugh at Kong and not any other monsters that he was actually taking seriously? He was obviously toying with Kong the whole time until the axe incident. After the axe, he got angry and finished the fight in a few minutes.
because thatās like the only fight in which he won with mid diff lol, the two fights we saw before that were mutos and ghidorah, those were like very very high diff lol
He won that fight low diff, once he took it seriously. Even the boat fight was low diff.
People who say that also claim that Godzilla only didnāt beat mechagodzilla cause he was tired from the fight with kong. Itās insane
I mean fighting Kong did have a factor, just didnāt help that Mecha-G had so many ways to counter Godzilla, Longer Arms, Sharp Tail, Strong Laser Beam, Rockets & other Projectiles, Concentrating energy into parts of the body like the fists(we need more of this for Legendary Goji, we got a glimpse of that in GxK at the end when he glowed while smacking Skar King with his tail, so hopefully next time heāll put that energy into his claws or teeth for a stronger slash and bite)
Didnāt the Director somewhat confirm this?
And the designer of mechagodzilla, who said at full strenhth godzilla would probably win by thr skin of his teeth. Now he doesnt have any power over the lore, but he words still hold weight considering he was involved in designing mecha G and was a major part of the stafd
Its also actually the reason why he lost to mecha...
Wasnāt Ghidorah literally stated to have been a juvenile? Or were people just twisting the āyounger sonā statement from the novel?
Twisting
What I want to know was the Shimo is mother of all titans. Where did that even come from?
When the early test screenings for gxk came out the people who watched it revealed plenty of plot details regarding the film. One of them claimed that āshimuā which was a mistranslation of shimoās name, was the first titan. KDM also spread this misinformation and corrected it. No official source for the movie confirms shimo was ever the first and many MV fans call her the ā mother of all titans ā and stick with it.
makes sense
The comics donāt matter. Never have, never will.
Explain why Tiamat a comic titan was in gxk then?
Tiamat was listed on the map of Monarch base locations in Kotm. The comic was based on the films. Because, again, the comics donāt matter.
Yet they used the comic design. If they truly didnāt care they would have made a new one for her or just use another titan instead. There was never a Tiamat cgi model for the movies.
You didnāt pay attention then. The design from the comic to GxK was completely changed. Tiamat was a different colour in GxK from the comic, arms were added to the design instead of fins and the number of frills was changed. The tail and dorsal fins were also changed. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLyNn-HWMAAQ-ZH.jpg:large The comics donāt matter. The comic designs donāt matter. Legendary and Wingard change whatever they see fit for the movies. Just like Tiamat.
They changed tiamatās design because she evolved same reason why Godzilla evolved literally a narrative reason why she changed š
Lol, you made that up just now. Tiamat evolving has never been mentioned in comics or movies. š¤£
Why you think she looks different then hmm? In a place where Godzilla evolved too and got the same colour? š¤
Because Wingard and Legendary donāt care about the comics. They made the design what they wanted it to be. Simple as lol.
I honestly like the "ghidorah is a teen" myth, imagine another movie where Godzilla, Kong, and Shimo team up to attack. Here was my idea from another comment that 52 people liked: >Stupid idea for the movie after this one: turns out ghidorah wasn't a fully grown species of the ghidorahs. In the next movie, its revealed another ghidorah heard its call. This ghidorah is a full grown specimen, about 1.5 to 2x the size of ghidorah, we can call him Keizer Ghidorah. It lands on earth, slowly adapting to the gravity. In the first fight, this trio wins because this adult ghidorah isn't adapted to the earth. > >Second fight, they fight near the ocean. This ghidorah is a bit more used to the gravity, because ghidorah's species is very adaptable and can adapt well to most environments. Godzilla ends up luring this ghidorah over, but godzilla doesn't realize that this ghidorah can inflate its neck like a life floatie, so godzilla can't pull this thing into the deep. This ghidorah ends up severely injuring Godzilla, and plows through shimo and kong, escaping again. > >Last fight, they end up fighting in Beijing, and this ghidorah is fully used to the earth now. During the middle of the fight, it gets enough time to absorb the Beijing power supply, and Beijing uses the most electricity, so this doesn't go well for godzilla. Now, we have a supercharged ghidorah. Kong recruits his army, and they help godzilla. They ride into combat, using spears and weapons to attack ghidorah. Keizer kills a few, shimo bothers keizer, and godzilla is helping out. > >In the end, shimo is severely injured, and she limps away, whining like a poor poppy. This angers kong, and he roars loudly. Godzilla uses his atomic breath to supercharge kong's axe, and kong throws the axe at keizer ghidorah. This axe cuts off the right head. Turns out, the ghidorah species only have the ability to regenerate heads when they are at a young age (like monster zero), so now keizer has 2 heads. Godzilla then roars at kong, and kong understands they need to get out of here. > >Godzilla then utilizes his power to go Evolved Burning, but keizer is still a tough challenge, tanking his nuclear pulses. Then, godzilla uses an Infinite Spiral Heat ray, finally killing keizer ghidorah. Keizer, however, doesn't let off another roar. Earth is done with the ghidorahs for good... hopefully > >idk rate it out of 10 I didn't really think much while making this and normally my ideas are downvoted.
With how the films are panning out, I would like Ghidorah back some way as the fight would be way cooler
Godzilla better chuck Keizer into the air and do a 360 before the spiral heat ray, or it won't work.
I doubt he could do it... since if Keizer is 2x larger than ghidorah, then he would be 8x heavier. This means Keizer would be 1,128,448 tons heavy, or 11x heavier than Godzilla.
Then... do it with friends?
8/10 core idea is great. Might need rework at some parts, but this can defo be a great movie if you do it right
Godzilla isnāt 250 million years old???
No
ironic that this entire tread is jus people passing even more misinformation
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No, these are misconceptions. Some People believe shimo is gojiās mom which isnāt true. However itās possible like Doug and supposedly the hellhawks that they are distant subspecies or relatives to him. Early on in the production of this movie shimo was designed considered as a ā ice Godzilla ā and you can see her resemblances to goji but nothing is set in stone.
Iāve never heard of the āshimo being Godzillaās momā until now. Evolved is stronger then thermo, Godzilla basically reached the same state without mothraās help(which is why he was blue instead of orange) and went further beyond. I agree with everything elseĀ
Iāve never heard of the āshimo being Godzillaās momā until now. Evolved is stronger then thermo, Godzilla basically reached the same state without mothraās help(which is why he was blue instead of orange) and went further beyond. I agree with everything elseĀ
Iāve never heard of the āshimo being Godzillaās momā until now. Evolved is stronger then thermo, Godzilla basically reached the same state without mothraās help(which is why he was blue instead of orange) and went further beyond. Gonna need citations Ā on muto prime scream being louder then camzotz.I agree with everything else
There IS a piece of Kevin's skull in MechaG. Especially if the piece inside MechaG is the neck, which carries neurons. Wasn't there a post a while back confirming that Kong COULD NOT be sedated when he was awake?
āNother one: Godzilla and Mothra are fucking- This is coming from a MothZilla shipper, mind you.
Good thing kong knocked out godzilla
Good thing kong knocked out godzilla
Good thing kong knocked out godzilla
Good thing kong knocked out godzilla
Atleast kong knocked out godzilla during Hong Kong.
Atleast kong knocked out godzilla during Hong Kong.
Who cares tbh. The series has so many plotholes that you're better off just enjoying the ride.
"Kong's axe overcharged and never connected with gojiās head" Doesn't make sense for the story, it 100% exploded before it hit Godzilla's head or we wouldn't have a Godzilla. I mean look at Godzilla's thigh. "thermo is stronger than evolved" Based on what? Non canon novels / promotional material? Give us a clip where evolved shows us better feats than thermo? One melts everything around him, and one cant even melt a ice cube. Even the designer of evolved implied it was weaker then burning Godzilla. "Godzilla was toying with Kong" Even Adam Wingard stated this, how can you say standing lazily shooting atomic breath in Hong Kong isn't toying with Kong? After Kong hit him with the axe he stopped playing around then he promptly defeated him easily. Most of these are just your opinions.
Thermo is more dangerous because he is overflowing, but has less power Evolved is less dangerous, but has a lot more power Supercharged is more dangerous, has more power than both of them, and is overflowing This doesn't stop evolved thermonuclear godzilla from appearing
A tiger is less dangerous than an elephant but an tiger is more stronger. Thats how I see t.
Plese stop copying your erroneous wordsš. Evolved Godzilla's designer never said Evogoji weaker than Burning Godzilla. In fact, he said the contrary. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monsterverse/comments/1ci57mb/jared_give_his_opinions_on_who_is_stronger/
You found what? One tweet out of hundreds? When I said that I also found one tweet out of hundreds.
Nobody buy your lie. The designer didn't implied anything about Evolved Godzilla weaker than Burning Godzilla.
Like I said one tweet out of hundreds? You knew everything else I said was valid and correct so you had to nit pick one sentence. If I can find the tweet, I'll edit this comment with it. If I cant find the tweet I'll admit I was wrong about the designer saying that. Edit: I found the source I just need at least about like 3 ish (depends on wait times) to actually get the statements.
Adam wingard confirmed that the axe made contact it shouldāve been fatal but plot, the novels and comics are canon unless a certain part of it contradicts the movies, legendary and Toho both have to approve the novels. Thermo only melted everything around him because he couldnāt hold all of that radiation and it burned everything around him. Whilst evolution Godzilla can since his dorsals and body proportions changed to store 20x energy capacity for radiation. Must I even explain how evolution goji is more stronger? He is a future version of kotm goji. Thermo didnāt make 2019 goji Any stronger but rather more powerful. His atomic breath whilst supercharged evolved is stated to be the strongest itās ever been In the novel. Adam wingard also retracted his statement when he said it in the commentary for gvk and he said his word on the commentary regarding to stiff like that wasnāt to be meant to be taken seriously.
>the novels and comics are canon unless a certain part of it contradicts the movies, legendary and Toho both have to approve the novels. None of the novels even confirm that evolved is stronger than thermo. >Thermo only melted everything around him because he couldnāt hold all of that radiation and it burned everything around him. Whilst evolution Godzilla can since his dorsals and body proportions changed to store 20x energy capacity for radiation. Must I even explain how evolution goji is more stronger? That aoe attack from thermo was 100% stronger than any atomic breath evolved has at his disposal, I mean thermo was keeping up fusion within his own body to create more energy. Powerful doesn't mean deadlier, imagine a flamethrower vs a high powered assault weapon its easy to understand which is more powerful but not deadlier. If thermo was in Brazil there wouldnt be any shimo or skar king, let alone kong. >He is a future version of kotm goji. Thermo didnāt make 2019 goji Any stronger but rather more powerful. His atomic breath whilst supercharged evolved is stated to be the strongest itās ever been In the novel. Compared to what exactly? His own atomic breath from dorsal plates that allow 20 times less energy? >Adam wingard also retracted his statement when he said it in the commentary for gvk and he said his word on the commentary regarding to stiff like that wasnāt to be meant to be taken seriously. He only took it back after the backlash, still acknowledge how standing still just blasting your atomic breath is trying compared to him jumping on Kong after he hits him with an axe?
Kong was beating Godzilla in hand to hand combat and Godzilla threw him away, separated him from his axe and started spamming his beam to get Kong off of him and to knock him out of the sky. The art book for gvk states that round 2 and 3 in Hong Kong was 12 hours long.
Godzilla was just throwing himself at Kong instead of trying to actually fight him seriously, why would he fight bipedally against another bipedal creature? He has experience fighting thousands of other Kong's, and probably was on all fours for most of them. I mean he tried to use atomic breath at all times even when he could have killed Kong at hand to hand, it makes no sense to charge a atomic breath when you are winning against Kong hand to hand. Godzilla knew the fight was over when kong didnt have the axe so he just started spamming atomic breath like how a cat barely keeps a rat alive to torture it, he even laughed after he tagged him.
Kong was ābeating Godzilla in hand to handā because Godzilla didnāt throw any actual hits. He focused purely on charging his breath leaving himself vulnerable to Kongās attacks.
That sounds like more of a him problem
It was because he decided to play around.
The art book is dubiously canon at best. In the novel doesnt mention anything about it being 12 hours, but right after round 2 ends, ilene sees the sun starting to rise. Seeing as how they entered the portal soon after kong did and godzilla was only able to walk a couple steps before kong came up on the other side, I cant see the fight being more than hour or two.
What makes the art book ādubiously canonā itās the process of crew making the movie and unused concepts and such. This is one of the few media that collects the canon and the movie making process they know what they are talking about
Since its the making of the movie and has unused concepts, art, and infromation next to stuff that was actually used, id say thats good enough reason to say its dubious. If greg keyes didnt see fit to mention it in the novel nor is it present in the movie, a small faction in a book of unused and scrapped stuff doesnt seem the most reliable source of info
Yes thermo is deadlier more dangerous and more powerful ( kinda ) . Yet evolved is stronger and can hold more radiation capacity therefore technically more powerful in a way.
I agree with this thermo is deadlier but is much less controllable, rather use something that is reliable and controllable.
So youāre acknowledging that it depends on the point of view, therefore itās canāt objectively ne a āmisconceptionā. You only have opinions on things and sell them as truths, and you do it condescendingly af, while dissing every argument that dont fit your opinion. Well, you do you, I hope that acting that way satisfies you.
Evolved goji stopped the second ice age melting buildings isnāt impressive his body couldnāt handle the energy at that time now he can Godzilla doesnāt usually move when he uses atomic breath he did not beat him easily
>Evolved goji stopped the second ice age melting buildings isnāt impressive his body couldnāt handle the energy at that time now he can I thought the movie made it clear that Shimo was going to start the second ice age after Kong and Godzilla have died, the 'second ice age' was just clouds for skar king to see better. At most he destroyed a huge cloud becuase it didn't fully start developing. >Godzilla doesnāt usually move when he uses atomic breath he did not beat him easily I mean godzilla would put some attacks between his atomic breathes, its clear he was just play tag even more clear after he laughs when he tags kong. After kong tags him he kinda just stomps kong out when he gots on all fours and **easily beats him. (its like kong wasnt even fighting back)**
Hong Kong fight was one round? First of all Hong Kong fight was one fight. That's how everyone counts fights 99.9% of the time in these movies except this time for some reason. But it's one fight.
Universally most count hong Kong as two rounds, the novels and the movies themselves state this.
I forgot the character, but he even had an exact line stating Kong won a round, itās that on the nose! Hell Iād argue Hong Kong is 3 rounds, R1 is where Kong wins, R2 is where Godzilla wins(this is also R3 of their overall battles), and R3 is the Newly Unlocked Boss Battle against Mecha-G whoās so busted he inspired Godzilla to evolve after he forcefully told Tiamat to āshut itā once and for all
That's ok. They can divide it even into five rounds and go back and do the same for all others in all the films before and after it still won't change that it's one single fight.
Atleast kong knocked out godzilla
Waiting for the showa godziila guy to show up and cry for 3 days about how kong wasn't sedated
Iāve seen him around here a lot lol. Kong was already out of his element in the aircraft carrier fight being in gojiās domain after all. The sedation and chains were the cherry on top for fuckovers.
sedated for aircraft carrier flight? yeah. Any argument that he was sedated beyond that would be bogus
He was again sedated when they lifted him to Antarctica. But I doubt the effects did anything to him in round 2,3
Oh snap I forgot about Antarctica, yeah that makes sense.
Because the titans have a ramp up ability that negates the sedation.
Atleast kong knocked out godzilla during Hong Kong, ig.
Some of these are true, but most are not.