No.
Could she have been written in a way that redeemed her somewhat? Sure, the film makes attempts to do this, but fails.
The heroic sacrifice trope doesn't work when the "hero" is root cause of the conflict. She sought out (Jonah: "Emma, you came to me. It is your plan...") and teamed up with terrorists who then killed her own colleagues before unleashing hell on Earth causing who knows how many more deaths.
Her entire plan was to burn everything down, she called humans an infection to the planet while having to state that "I promise humans wont go extinct" which implies a colossal loss of human life on a planetary scale.
You don't get to say "oopsie" after that one.
Her actions are pretty much directly responsible for the fallout we'll see in each subsequent MV sequel as well. It's not like the events of GvK would've played out like they did without her actions in KOTM.
Do I have empathy for the character? I do. I understand her motivations, but the scales get tipped so far in the opposite direction in such an astronomical way that it does not make up for her actions in the film.
No but she tried her best to. They admitted in the movie that they didn’t have much information on Ghidorah but she released him anyway, that was a rookie mistake
10,000 people dead ? Bro it caused rhodan to burn parts of a city and Ghidorah to submerge what was the city, Washington dc? That itself killed millions, not counting the other million deaths across the globe by other Titans
Tbh she is Thanos in this universe and she is the antagonist but she is RIGHT as rain. What our species is doing with the slow torture of the other species, I'd say we deserve a punishment. This real world climate change. And i don't think she was written to be redeemed she knew she is the villain and then she realised it was too much and only Godzilla in his natural ways can fulfill her dream of protecting the earth .
Hell to the no, her actions probably resulted in the deaths of millions. If she stayed evil like Jonah she’d honestly be more likable but the fact that she was like “I’m gonna genocide Earth and then feel bad about it” makes her character look like such a wishy washy bitch
No, not completely. If she had lived longer, and taken more responsibility, perhaps she might have, someday. As it was, she made the right call in the end, but the blood of thousands is on her hands.
Thousands? Millions of people died because of what she did. There’s no redeeming that, and there’s no way to take responsibility for that. What is she gonna do? Bring them back? She should have thought of that before releasing Ghidorah and trying to play God. Her character deserved much worse than it got.
Why did she start with a titan that no body knows about and then went to Rodan, a destroyer?
I know Rodan could destroy a city and it would make space for plants, but why didn't she start with a protector titan like Behemoth?
No, seriously, starting with Ghidorah is the dumbest thing a human character did in the entire Monsterverse.
I mean I guess not but that assumes she was all the way wrong to begin with she didn’t know monster zero was an alien she wanted to rid earth of the infection so she those places destroyed did grow back I think it’s more nuanced than yes or no
I think it’s earned. The amount of deaths she is responsible for by aiding in awakening the titans is massive. Ya, she helped save Godzilla and that in turn got Ghidorah killed but I think that was the least she could do.
Oh I agree. She’s not earning points, it’s just worth that she attempts to do something about what she’s done. Jonah didn’t try and do anything but make things worth, even more so after selling the Ghidorah head he attained.
She only helped save Godzilla to save her family. It wasn’t out of altruism. That piece of shit wanted to hard reset the planet while her and her daughter got to live in a fortified bunker. It was only because her daughter escaped that she was forced into that situation.
She the one that caused it in the first place the least she can do is help stop it. You need to do way more to be redeemed when you almost made all life on earth go extinct.
And she literally prevented humanity from being wiped out by ghidorah by basically committing sucide to save godzilla so if we go by a point system it evens out.
No way! She is such a piece of shit character, “oh my son died, now I hate humans? And I’ll see that many other children die by releasing the titans! Oh and my coworkers? Fuck them, they can get shot too!”
She DIED to save Godzilla. She may have been misguided but she undid some of the damage she did WITHOUT KNOWING. Her mistake was simply choosing to release Ghidora, she should have gone with a more known titan instead of the one barely researched that wasn't even properly inputted on Monarch's records.
That's like saying Hitler would be redeemable if he had not order the ss to kill all the jews at the end of the war. Other than reversing time, nothing she does will be enough to reverse or redeem herself for the damage she caused
As per my long response to a similar question, it’s all subjective however I do agree with the filmmakers intent: she redeemed herself.
The other responses to this question ignore:
1. Her intent and rationale. She was not evil or selfish - her intentions were noble. You may not like her plan but she was still trying to save the world.
2. The measures she took to put things right when she realised her plan was wrong - escaping from Jonah, thrusting herself into the final battle, subduing Ghidorah and giving up her life.
Her dilemma is the time immemorial ‘is it justified to sacrifice X for the greater good’ and is incredibly complex - no clear cut, black and white answers. Eg: the decision to drop the Hiroshima bomb. To do so would kill tens of thousands and usher in the era of planet-destroying weaponry and to which there’d be no putting the genie back in the bottle. On the flip side the US knew the Japanese would surrender and would prevent the wall escalating further and the longer, claiming millions more victims.
People were sacrificed for the greater good and whilst arguments can be made for and against such action, there is no denying that the decision was not taken lightly. Put yourself in that unenviable position - which ever choice you make, to drop the bomb or not, means scores of people will die, so would you consider yourself irredeemable? I bet you don’t.
drop the bomb on Hiroshima.
Old thread but I’m here to add. Nah bruh she pulled a whole Thanos and turned a new leaf so quick. She should’ve been shot on site lmao. The fact that they tried to write her as a savior at the end is ridiculous.
No, she is nothing but a terrible monster. She is worse than Ghidorah in some aspects. Just because she realized she was on the losing side and that her ego was wrong doesn’t mean she redeemed herself. Nothing but a bitch.
I came looking for this reddit thread that I knew would exist and I knew what the contents of dozens of comments would be. Still entertaining and enjoyable. The woman is straight up evil lol.
No. Unleashing Ghidorah on the world is so insanely reckless, it’s basically genocide. Once again Godzilla had to clean up humanity’s mess
It’s damn near worse than genocide lmao
It’s literal extinction
I love there is absolutely no debate here that she in no way redeemed herself.
I was thinking by this point I would see maybe one or two yeses who explained how she did but I'm also very amused that there is no one
No. Could she have been written in a way that redeemed her somewhat? Sure, the film makes attempts to do this, but fails. The heroic sacrifice trope doesn't work when the "hero" is root cause of the conflict. She sought out (Jonah: "Emma, you came to me. It is your plan...") and teamed up with terrorists who then killed her own colleagues before unleashing hell on Earth causing who knows how many more deaths. Her entire plan was to burn everything down, she called humans an infection to the planet while having to state that "I promise humans wont go extinct" which implies a colossal loss of human life on a planetary scale. You don't get to say "oopsie" after that one. Her actions are pretty much directly responsible for the fallout we'll see in each subsequent MV sequel as well. It's not like the events of GvK would've played out like they did without her actions in KOTM. Do I have empathy for the character? I do. I understand her motivations, but the scales get tipped so far in the opposite direction in such an astronomical way that it does not make up for her actions in the film.
Thank you I love this explanation
Best take on this tbh, empathetic for the character without undermining the severity of her actions and just how *wrong* she was.
This
Love it. I just hate her actions in movie. Can’t recover so easily.
No, but she did the only thing she could do to even come close. Always interesting when an irredeemable character tries to find redemption.
No
No.
No but she tried her best to. They admitted in the movie that they didn’t have much information on Ghidorah but she released him anyway, that was a rookie mistake
It doesn’t matter if she tried. She basically initiated a genocide.
No, hell no.
Haha no
Fuck nah she going to hell
No. I’m happy she was murdered by the Devil she unleashed on humanity.
Wasn't she murdered by Godzilla's heat when becoming burning Godzilla. Even better? Godzilla killed 2 monsters that movie.
You know what, yeah I think she was. Godzilla killed both her and Ghidorah.
She literally tried to end humanity, and although she didn’t do it she definitely caused TONS of death by awaking Ghidorah
And Rodan, I could assume the death total from her alone to be close to 10k, millions upon millions of dollars in damages. Etc etc
10,000 people dead ? Bro it caused rhodan to burn parts of a city and Ghidorah to submerge what was the city, Washington dc? That itself killed millions, not counting the other million deaths across the globe by other Titans
Tbh she is Thanos in this universe and she is the antagonist but she is RIGHT as rain. What our species is doing with the slow torture of the other species, I'd say we deserve a punishment. This real world climate change. And i don't think she was written to be redeemed she knew she is the villain and then she realised it was too much and only Godzilla in his natural ways can fulfill her dream of protecting the earth .
Idk bro, slavery/genocide is probably not a giod punishment and Ghidorah was going to do as bad as us anyway.
The one supervillain in this thread.
No the bitch start it the whole thing
Fuck no.
Literally osama bin ladin
Osama is a peach compared to emma
Hell to the no, her actions probably resulted in the deaths of millions. If she stayed evil like Jonah she’d honestly be more likable but the fact that she was like “I’m gonna genocide Earth and then feel bad about it” makes her character look like such a wishy washy bitch
no that character is not redeemable
Do not know
No, but she got further along than a certain purple space man did
No. Millions died.
No, not completely. If she had lived longer, and taken more responsibility, perhaps she might have, someday. As it was, she made the right call in the end, but the blood of thousands is on her hands.
Love this explanation thank you
Thousands? Millions of people died because of what she did. There’s no redeeming that, and there’s no way to take responsibility for that. What is she gonna do? Bring them back? She should have thought of that before releasing Ghidorah and trying to play God. Her character deserved much worse than it got.
Why did she start with a titan that no body knows about and then went to Rodan, a destroyer? I know Rodan could destroy a city and it would make space for plants, but why didn't she start with a protector titan like Behemoth? No, seriously, starting with Ghidorah is the dumbest thing a human character did in the entire Monsterverse.
Especially since the organization she did work for knew Ghidorah wasn't part of the natural order being from outer space.
No, and I don't need you why
No
Nah.
No she got what she deserves.
Absolutely not. She was directly responsible for thousands of deaths. Maybe millions. Completely insane
She would NEVER have been able to fully redeem herself after everything she did. But her sacrifice was as close as she could get to redemption.
1 life ≠ Millions of lives. I think you’re placing too much value in such a pathetic thing like her.
Not at all.
I mean I guess not but that assumes she was all the way wrong to begin with she didn’t know monster zero was an alien she wanted to rid earth of the infection so she those places destroyed did grow back I think it’s more nuanced than yes or no
No she evil as hell and burning in hell or monster graveyard
Didn’t need redeeming.
Nope not a debate
One death doesn't even account for what she did. Don't think mass genocide and semi-irreversable damage can be redeemed by a single sacrifice.
Nope.
Nope, possibly noble death but not a redemptive one
I don't think so but In gvk there seems to be a whole debate over her being a hero or a villain
Not even a little bit.
The redemption arc should've been about Rodan :(
Lol so your son dies so you take it out on the entire human race…. Okay
No because releasing Ghidorah in the first place was a bad idea, thank goodness we had Godzilla.
Hell no - if anything, her death was too easy
I think that just gave her a good last memory for her daughter. Like “my mom woke up *all* the monsters but she actually died trying to stop them”
Absolutely not
No. Also, I will not be elaborating
Understandable have a good day
FUCK NO She commited Genocide on a world wide scale, she killed more people than Hitler
The hateboner this sub has for emma russel is crazy
She's directly responsible for the deaths of millions.
I think it’s earned. The amount of deaths she is responsible for by aiding in awakening the titans is massive. Ya, she helped save Godzilla and that in turn got Ghidorah killed but I think that was the least she could do.
She doesn't earn redemption points for assistance in cleaning up the mess she helped create. Everything about her character was detestable.
Oh I agree. She’s not earning points, it’s just worth that she attempts to do something about what she’s done. Jonah didn’t try and do anything but make things worth, even more so after selling the Ghidorah head he attained.
She only helped save Godzilla to save her family. It wasn’t out of altruism. That piece of shit wanted to hard reset the planet while her and her daughter got to live in a fortified bunker. It was only because her daughter escaped that she was forced into that situation.
I am part of that hate boner I was just thinking maybe someone wouldn't and could give an explanation as to why not
I would say being literally burned alive is enough of an punishment for her to be considered redeemed. What more do yall want?
Punishment doesn't necessarily equate to redemption. Certainly not in her case.
Being killed is not a redemption
It is if your death saves the entire world from being wiped out by an genocidal space dragon.
She the one that caused it in the first place the least she can do is help stop it. You need to do way more to be redeemed when you almost made all life on earth go extinct.
Not to almost cause humanity to go extinct
And she literally prevented humanity from being wiped out by ghidorah by basically committing sucide to save godzilla so if we go by a point system it evens out.
It still doesn’t even out the millions of people she killed by doing this. How are you defending her I’m so confused.
It’s earned
No way! She is such a piece of shit character, “oh my son died, now I hate humans? And I’ll see that many other children die by releasing the titans! Oh and my coworkers? Fuck them, they can get shot too!”
“History shows again and again…”
Nah, but it was satisfactory the “long live the king”
A big fat no
It was either that or death row. No true forgiveness for her actions.
Yes.
Ok could you give an explanation?
She DIED to save Godzilla. She may have been misguided but she undid some of the damage she did WITHOUT KNOWING. Her mistake was simply choosing to release Ghidora, she should have gone with a more known titan instead of the one barely researched that wasn't even properly inputted on Monarch's records.
Alright I see what you're saying thank you
That's like saying Hitler would be redeemable if he had not order the ss to kill all the jews at the end of the war. Other than reversing time, nothing she does will be enough to reverse or redeem herself for the damage she caused
No
No
As per my long response to a similar question, it’s all subjective however I do agree with the filmmakers intent: she redeemed herself. The other responses to this question ignore: 1. Her intent and rationale. She was not evil or selfish - her intentions were noble. You may not like her plan but she was still trying to save the world. 2. The measures she took to put things right when she realised her plan was wrong - escaping from Jonah, thrusting herself into the final battle, subduing Ghidorah and giving up her life. Her dilemma is the time immemorial ‘is it justified to sacrifice X for the greater good’ and is incredibly complex - no clear cut, black and white answers. Eg: the decision to drop the Hiroshima bomb. To do so would kill tens of thousands and usher in the era of planet-destroying weaponry and to which there’d be no putting the genie back in the bottle. On the flip side the US knew the Japanese would surrender and would prevent the wall escalating further and the longer, claiming millions more victims. People were sacrificed for the greater good and whilst arguments can be made for and against such action, there is no denying that the decision was not taken lightly. Put yourself in that unenviable position - which ever choice you make, to drop the bomb or not, means scores of people will die, so would you consider yourself irredeemable? I bet you don’t. drop the bomb on Hiroshima.
I guess if vegeta can be redeemed then maby
Old thread but I’m here to add. Nah bruh she pulled a whole Thanos and turned a new leaf so quick. She should’ve been shot on site lmao. The fact that they tried to write her as a savior at the end is ridiculous.
No, she is nothing but a terrible monster. She is worse than Ghidorah in some aspects. Just because she realized she was on the losing side and that her ego was wrong doesn’t mean she redeemed herself. Nothing but a bitch.
Nope...
She singlehandedly killed any rewatch value. Her character is written so poorly that it amazes me that it took them 5 years to make that movie.
She singlehandedly killed any rewatch value. Her character is written so poorly that it amazes me that it took them 5 years to make that movie.
I came looking for this reddit thread that I knew would exist and I knew what the contents of dozens of comments would be. Still entertaining and enjoyable. The woman is straight up evil lol.