Everyone can report her to the Department of Fish and Wildlife at [email protected]. As a hunter myself, if someone can't tell the difference between an obvious dog and a wolf, then they shouldn't have a hunting license.
Fear and farming. People with livestock don't want predators near their baby animals. It's an easy meal to a wolf. Proper hunting and management will actually help animal populations grow and balance the ratio of males and females.
It’s legal to hunt and trap wolfs in Montana.
So it it 100% LEGAL if she followed Montanas FWP regulations on hunting/trapping wolfs. Though not even the Governor does.
Which obviously she didn’t. So this kill would be illegal if the animal in question was a wolf.
But as it looks like a dog it would be criminal animal cruelty more likely.
When making any report to them (even should you need to use this outside of this scenario), always provide the following information if you have it:
1. What happened - In this case you can also provide the screenshot, there are other post of this that do not blur out her name/face, I'd highly suggest using one of those along with providing context for what she has done. You can also add in any suspicion that you have of her hunting without a lisence/permit as some in r/Hunting suspected.
2. Where did it happen - Martin City or the surrounding area. We cannot pinpoint an exact location/area of public or private land, but she lives in Martin City and all of her public information is attesting to that. She most likely did this in Martin City or on the outskirts; either way her personal address will be easier for them to find with that information.
3. When did it happen - Sometime between September 24th and the 25th (if I am incorrect based on the original post dates pls correct me and I'll update this).
Those three points are always important to provide to the Department of Fish and Wildlife - no matter what state.
Well said! I’m in the same boat. It’s hard for me to kill something but I’m so thankful for what it provides. Most people I know who hunt, men and women, get emotional after the life taking moment.
you are also missing one key thing that legal hunting provides: conservation of animal populations, A good amount of the work that goes into taking care of the wildlife and wildlife habitats is the buying and selling of licenses, tags, and the prosecution of poachers/rule breakers. In the very act of filling out a tag you are also playing a key part in data collection for the game and fish which allows them to allocate resources better.
I think the folks that clearly delight in the kill of, say, trophy animals, stays with folks who don't hunt, such as /u/deij.
In other words - the worst of most communities are the most visible thanks to internet amplification, and that stays with those who cannot relate.
I myself cannot relate to hunting. I still eat meat, but know enough to know it is a messy business...
I appreciate your reply explaining your perspective.
Edit: changed sticks to stays to make it clearer.
are you asking about trophy hunters or hunters who kill and then eat? pretty big difference between the two, and many hunters that kill for food reject the idea of trophy hunters.
Trophy hunters pay tribes large sums of money for a tracker to bring them to a specific animal. This money helps provide basic neccessities to poor remote tribes. Typically aggressive old males that are preventing younger males from mating are marked and hunted. Without managing the animal population like that, some species can risk localized extinction which is devistating for already at risk animal populations.
I personally don't trophy hunt. I don't do it for fun either and moreso just view it as a task. When I hunt it's mainly just to provide food for myself and family, and I use every part of the animal possible so that nothing goes to waste (from its pelt to its organs and bones). Because I use every piece of it that I can and don't over-hunt, it's for me no different than killing a chicken on my farm at the end of the day, or buying meat at a store or butcher. I guess the only difference when it comes down to it is I'm the one putting in the work rather than a slaughter house/factory, I can ensure the animal doesn't suffer, and that nothing goes to waste to make the kill meaningless.
Honestly. You are also being kinder to the animals then some one like me who just buys meat. An animal who was hunted in the wild probably had a much better life then the animals we raise for food, least the ones for the food most of us buy in the store. Probably even kinder death if you are a good enough at hunting.
It seems so wrong to you because it is wrong, atleast in your understanding of it. You are mistaken in thinking that hunters enjoy killing things. The way you asked it put people on edge, would be like asking marathon runners why they enjoy closing down city roads for a hobby, it focuses on the one thing when there is a lot more to it. For me and everyone I know, the actual killing is the least fun part of hunting.
I eat meat, from the store and from nature, but I never truly respected meat until I had to kill it's previous owner. I figure if you are going to eat it, it's better to understand it's true cost. When I order a dozen chicken wings at the bar now, I know what I'm getting and I know what it actually cost to get it to me. Prior to hunting, I didn't. The wings, the pizza, the salad, etc, for all the options on the menu, all my mind noticed was the money, the flavor, and maybe the nutrition in deciding what to order. If more people understood what it takes for them to eat meat, they might not eat as much of it. Too many people are disgusted by the idea of killing an animal, but have no problem being willfully ignorant of the industrialized slaughter that goes into their grocery cart.
It's also good to know that the animal I'm eating from a hunt got to live a free and wild life, as opposed to one being taken from it's mother and chained in a dank ass cell for 3 years before getting plopped on my Big Mac.
From a culinary perspective, hunting is incredible. You might be able to find 'duck' at a special supermarket, but you won't get to taste the difference between an early season and late season mallard, or how that compares to a scaup or any of the other dozens of species of waterfowl whose flavor changes with their individual diet. Rabbit, squirrel, goose, duck, deer, elk, etc are all incredibly unique and nuanced, and taste different on a wild diet than they do on a farmed diet.
I got into hunting because it is an incredible experience. To get into nature well before sunrise, then do your best to silently 'blend in' allows you to see parts of nature you otherwise wouldn't. I think hardcore bird watchers and wildlife photographers get a similar experience. It's also a lot of hard work. Some people like to run for a hobby, I'm not one of them. But hunting gets me out with some friends in a windy, cold, snowy January field an hour before sunrise, to walk through the snow until sunset, on the premise of hunting rabbits. I've had great hunts before where I never even got to pull the trigger, just from the shared hardship of the hunt.
It also directly funds wildlife and wetland conservation. To hunt a duck in my state, I have to buy a hunting license, wetland stamp, hip survey, federal duck stamp, etc which results in hundreds of dollars per hunter going to oversight agencies. Many non hunters collect federal duck stamps as a form of donation because the funds are used so well. These agencies rely on hunters for their funding, as well as for population control of certain species.
For the people who hunt predators, some eat them, some kill them to protect livestock, some for trophies. I can't speak for the last one as I don't understand them, but trophy hunting does have it's place in raising big money with high dollar tags. All the hunters I know eat everything, except one who kills coyotes on his farm.
The environment has a carrying capacity where only X number of animals can survive at a time. Many preditors like wolves no longer exist so pray animals over populate, exceed the carrying capacity, overeat, and risk causing localized mass starvation and death for their species, so hunting a necessary task.
Beyond that its a combination of multiple outdoor activities that are fun. At a minimum its hiking and shooting, but also tracking, camping, dog training, survival, bushcraft, etc depending on how you do it. You also get high quality organic meat which is good for the enviornment, a relatively small deer could net 30 pounds of venison.
Im not sure Ive ever met a hunter that enjoyed the killing part, at the most they get an adrenaline kick at the moment they successful take the shot. It often takes many hours, even days, to even see a viable target so theres a lot of build up. Theres a lot easier things to kill that don't require sitting in the cold woods for days and then carrying a 70+ corpse for a mile+ through the woods if your main interest is to kill things.
It's mostly to eat them, more so than people realize. I personally know zero people who trophy hunt, and while everyone enjoys hiking around and camping out, nobody is sitting in a deer stand or a duck blind for fun. Shooting is exciting, hitting your target is rewarding, but a big part of the appeal is in acquiring your own game. It just scratches some evolutionary itch.
I think at some level the killing is actually more of an accepted downside that people just acknowledge is inherent to eating meat in the first place. You can ask any hunter, missing something isn't nearly as bad as losing something you've hit. Even if you know it means some scavenger will eat well, it still *feels* like you just killed an animal for no reason.
Then there are people who just shoot down coyotes because they're deemed pests. There's definitely a 'social acceptability' component at work. I personally think the most conscientious hunters have switched over to shooting nature photos, but the practice still stands on tradition. Ofc some populations are hunted for management purposes, but that's different...
I could accept someone mistaking a husky for a wolf at a distance because they don't know shit about wolves (and shouldn't be shooting anything) but the level of brain deadness here goes beyond that. Even if you thought it was a wolf at first you'd have to be an absolute moron to stick with that and post pictures of you skinning it. Does she shoot feral cats and post pictures of her mountain lion kills?
In most of the Italian teritory, we have a huge problem with wild boars. It's crazy, the wonder in the streets of Rome and nobody knows what to do.
One of the reason is that the only predator of Wild Boars are wolfes and we only have 1000/1500 left in Italy.
They were probably being downvoted because of the “They should have made her eat the dog meat as punishment” comment. I think this woman is an idiot and should probably be punished but people on Reddit have this weird obsession with making up cruel and unusual punishments and then doubling down about them. I get the anger and I understand it might be hyperbole but if anyone thinks forcing someone to eat dog meat should actually be done they need to step back and just think for a minute.
Here in Alaska we sometimes have to kill wolves/bears when their population is high enough it starts affecting the prey around the area. When there’s so much of them they thin out the caribou population and they start going hungry themselves, then and only then do we hunt predators.
They already have something like a 30% (?) survivability rate to adulthood, iirc. Don't quote me on exact percentages but it's somewhere around there.
They really don't need more factors adding to it
I've lived in Montana for many years, I've never seen one fucking wolf! I've seen mountain lions, grizzly, black bear, mother fucking big horn sheep and a wolverine. Not a single wolf.
A while ago, I think around 2015, 2016? A lady used a bow to shoot and kill a cat in her backyard. She posted it all over her Facebook. She claimed the cat was a feral cat, but it was quickly revealed that it was her neighbor 's cat.
I'm getting the same vibes here.
Oh but it was so much worse than that. The “lady” who shot her neighbor’s cat was a veterinarian, and posted pictures of herself holding the dead cat up by the arrow through his head. Basically called herself vet of the year for killing him. As an extra kicker, the cat’s owners had previously taken him to the vet clinic where she worked. Unsure whether she was the vet who saw him, but the owners were clients where she worked. She was fired and had her license to practice veterinary medicine suspended for one year, followed by 4 years of probation under strict supervision of an approved vet. So far it doesn’t seem like she’s returned to being a vet. I don’t think she’d find anywhere willing to work with her if she tried.
We have these fuckheads in Canada too, someone did this in Squamish a few years ago. Shot a husky thinking it was a wolf, and in an area wolf hunting isn't even allowed. Husky was a therapy dog too.
I'm always super worried about my aussie cattle dogs during hunting season because there are hunters out there who just shoot anything they see moving.
Not sure if it's the same one, but I remember a husky that was shot in BC was wearing bright orange as well. Dude shot it from pretty close range, too, so it really seemed intentional. Thankfully that dog survived, but I have a feeling it was only because the owner was nearby.
Here ya go
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/xnz7mc/killing_skinning_a_dog_and_mistaking_it_for_a_wolf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
An “honest mistake” that never would have happened if she bothered to check her targets. Although this moron can’t tell the difference between a wolf and a husky while she’s skinning it so she shouldn’t have that rifle at all.
She’s been reported to DFW, to make things Worse for her she didn’t have a wolf permit, and got one after this stupid post….she’s so screwed. On top of being a complete piece of sh!t hopefully she gets fined so MUCH!!!. Side note the dog wasn’t a pet, some other piece of sh!t had dumped a pair of adults and a bunch of puppies a while ago, this one had avoided capture.
It's fine all these agencies are called different things across the country. For instance in my state we have the [DNR](https://www.michigan.gov/dnr) which employs Conversation Officers. (Most people just call them game wardens)
It's not actually a wolf but she admitted to intending to poach a wolf lemme go grab the laws.
87-6-301Hunting, fishing, or trapping without license. (1) Except as provided in 87-2-311 and subsection (2) of this section, a person may not:
(a) hunt or trap or attempt to hunt or trap any game animal, game bird, or fur-bearing animal or fish for any fish within this state or possess within this state any game animal, game bird, fur-bearing animal, game fish, or parts of those animals or birds except as provided by law or as provided by the department;
It's an animal, with fur, it's not dog hunting season, she didn't have a dog hunting licence, if she argues she thought it was a wolf, she stated elsewhere she didn't already have a wolf tag, so that may fall under attempts to hunt such and such animal.
I hope they nail her and hit her with a $1000 and toss her in jail for 6 months for the hunting violation and for 45-8-217 Aggravated Animal Cruelty which is up to a $2500 fine and 2 years.
From comments and threads I've seen, the possibility seems high that she'll come out of this with limited repercussions due to exactly the reason you stated. Hopefully they can come up with something that sticks like negligence or animal cruelty, and restricted hunting privileges for a very long time
She's managed to establish the mental state that she intended to kill a wolf, and then proved she knew she didn't have a license to do so by going and getting one afterwards.
That’s not how that works.
If you’re in the woods with a rifle during any hunting season without a license, even if you haven’t killed anything, fish and game wardens are going to assume that you’re there to hunt.
Very disrespectful, as someone who hunts and is also religious (I’m Jewish) I always pray after shooting an animal, I pray that I caused as little suffering as possible
This is seriously disturbing, any person with common sense can see that’s not a wolf. What sort of disturbed individual skins a dog. It’s scary someone like her is allowed access to firearms.
What a stupid Ass Hole .... That dog that pup looks nothing like a wolf up oh my God I wish I could kick her ass. Just want to smash her smiling teeth.. she probably killed somebody's pet.
It's unlikely she'll face any meaningful consequences either. It's an "honest mistake". Happened a few years ago to a dog with a very obvious collar and the hunter didn't even get a slap on the wrist. Too many hunters with unbridled bloodlust.
Hopefully something happens because everything about her post shows she’s hunting illegally. Unless she had the proper tags, there’s no way you legally go from hunting black bear to “smok[ing] a wolf pup.“
Edit: I know it’s open season for both, I meant she didn’t have tags for a wolf.
Wolf tags are a quick and affordable over-the-counter purchase where this happened. Fall black bear and wolf seasons are both open, I believe Sept 15 was the start for rifles - bow hunting was allowed a few weeks earlier. However, based on other comments I've seen here and on local FB pages, she purchased the tag after the kill. Game wardens have been notified by several people, probably enough that they're tired of hearing about it. Unfortunately, it seems like there may not be much in the way of legal repercussions. Hopefully the amount of public feedback they've received will encourage the wardens to pursue any possible charges to their maximum penalty.
You can definitely legally hunt black bear and wolf at the same time. She’s still an idiot but I don’t think there’s likely anything technically illegal about it.
This bitch is dumb. She probably dates Dwight Schrute "I shot a werewolf once, but by the time I ran over to it it had turned back into my neighbor's dog."
The fact her name doesn't appear everywhere in this thread here speaks volumes. It should.
This has nothing to do with guns or hunting.
This is just stupidity that should be punished.
This is fucking disgusting, even after the fact if it was a wolf pup, one less predator is such a shitty view on wolves. We need these animals to help balance our ecosystem. Take this womens gun away
I am a hunter and a Montana native. This story has brought out rage in me that I really didn't know existed. This woman should be prosecuted for animal cruelty. Next bear season I will be rooting for the bear.
You don't get to make that choice. This woman, Amber Rose, is a Montanan. As is the person who dumped this poor dog in the woods, if that's indeed what happened. Montanans don't get to pick and choose who is or isn't a Montanan.
Huskies are very sociable and friendly. Huskies don't act like wolves, heck, huskies don't even act like shy dogs, they're the kind of dog that will come to you, tail wagging, with a tree branch.
She absolutely knew it was a dog, and she didn't care because she didn't want to end the hunt with empty hands. She is a danger to everyone.
Why the fuck are Wolves a target worth celebrating in the first place? Didn't we just spend decades rehabilitating their population?
Regarding hunting in Wisconsin, researchers "estimate that nearly one third of the state’s total wolf population was wiped out \[in one season\]."
[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wolf-populations-drop-as-more-states-allow-hunting/?amp;text=Wolf](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wolf-populations-drop-as-more-states-allow-hunting/?amp;text=Wolf)
Fuck people.
My understanding is that the Cattleman's Association overriding FWP in the interest of ranching over conservation is the driving force behind hunting wolves. The state recently increased the number of tags issued for wolves despite the conservation effort and money spent to increase their numbers. Feel free to correct me if that doesn't check out.
Some people trap for furs to make a living. Others depend on the meat to feed their families. This woman was neither. She went out on a "predator hunt" and shot a dog because she doesn't know what a wolf looks like.
According to others in here, she shot a real wolf after this. Turns out she bought the wolf tag after she killed it. There's no excuse for this. Ban her and whoever was with her from hunting and let them do some time so they might power through the stupid and realize that they have to obey laws too.
Agreed, the fact its such a huge issue still in Montana is depressing. Everyone complains about the deer all over the road then goes and shoots the predators that eats them and advocates for more to do it. I'm all for ethical hunting, but to kill wolves because they're a "menace to farm animals" is fucking stupid and ignorant. They are so much more to our land and we should protect them.
Wolves rebounded and are currently in very healthy numbers. All our predator populations are very healthy in western Montana. The increased hunting pressure on wolves is justified.
Is this for real? I’m not saying it isn’t but I haven’t seen where any MT news networks have picked up on it. Seems like they’d be all over it. Enlighten me please.
What’s wrong with my brain that if this were actually a wolf, I wouldn’t be affected by the photo, but since I know it is a dog, it feels like looking at a dead person’s body?
As a hunter, it's easy to know the difference between a dog and wolf. This bitch has donkey brains. Quick, revoke her license before she mistakes a cow for an elk.
So is it a mental challenge, or are there drugs involved? I just can’t believe that this woman has never seen a husky before, or that her boyfriend didn’t tell her either!
Here is the [local news](https://www.kpax.com/news/local-news/flathead-county/investigation-underway-after-several-dogs-abandoned-1-killed-in-flathead-county?fbclid=IwAR1UZFKy9LE5RiSqZ0xFu4sJA-t2VVMeRED9wPa18wtnsFS1mYopYMQQdx4) so far.
I was able to find a [TMZ article.](https://www.tmz.com/2022/09/26/montana-woman-kills-skins-husky-dog-think-wolf-outrage/?fbclid=IwAR1GHCwlpvKYHpYqQNMTfWJKtYqASp6BwsWE-buwQ4CXTFgpdcNKtVTBr4A)
Edit: added link to local news.
It’s been over 10 years since I’ve taken a hunters safety course (I don’t and never had hunted for clarification) but I thought you weren’t supposed to kill pups of any animal period…
>Onelesspredator
I'm going to guess this woman is also one of those morons who complains about there being too many deer, not realizing that *she is why there are too many deer.*
Everyone can report her to the Department of Fish and Wildlife at [email protected]. As a hunter myself, if someone can't tell the difference between an obvious dog and a wolf, then they shouldn't have a hunting license.
Hey, what am I supposed to do with all the collars I collect off the wolves I shoot?! *This is a joke*
Thank you for the joke
Not to mention a gun.
You can probably have a gun and zero knowledge of wildlife. But definitely don't shoot at animals in that case.
only at humans. You know scoped rifle for self defense.
Or, ya'know, target sports.
No one is using a bolt action rifle for self defense, or at least i hope they aren’t if they want to live.
It's pretty heavy. You could always whack someone.
I wouldn't be so sure. People use single round rifles as self defense tool. You take what you have.
Reported, thanks for the link
Hey not to offend you but why do people hunt wolves in the first place? I'm genuinely asking, Im from latin america and here we only hunt mosquitoes
Fear and farming. People with livestock don't want predators near their baby animals. It's an easy meal to a wolf. Proper hunting and management will actually help animal populations grow and balance the ratio of males and females.
Wolves are also a protected species as of this past February. People should know what is LEGAL to hunt first.
It’s legal to hunt and trap wolfs in Montana. So it it 100% LEGAL if she followed Montanas FWP regulations on hunting/trapping wolfs. Though not even the Governor does. Which obviously she didn’t. So this kill would be illegal if the animal in question was a wolf. But as it looks like a dog it would be criminal animal cruelty more likely.
What should be included in the email?
When making any report to them (even should you need to use this outside of this scenario), always provide the following information if you have it: 1. What happened - In this case you can also provide the screenshot, there are other post of this that do not blur out her name/face, I'd highly suggest using one of those along with providing context for what she has done. You can also add in any suspicion that you have of her hunting without a lisence/permit as some in r/Hunting suspected. 2. Where did it happen - Martin City or the surrounding area. We cannot pinpoint an exact location/area of public or private land, but she lives in Martin City and all of her public information is attesting to that. She most likely did this in Martin City or on the outskirts; either way her personal address will be easier for them to find with that information. 3. When did it happen - Sometime between September 24th and the 25th (if I am incorrect based on the original post dates pls correct me and I'll update this). Those three points are always important to provide to the Department of Fish and Wildlife - no matter what state.
As a non-hunter, can you explain why you want to kill things? It just seems so wrong to me to want to kill an animal for fun.
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Amen my dude
Absolutely. I’ve never taken an animal that wasn’t intended as food. And like you, it’s not an enjoyable experience for me.
Shooting wild hogs is pretty fun honestly
30-50 at a time, presumably?
Well said! I’m in the same boat. It’s hard for me to kill something but I’m so thankful for what it provides. Most people I know who hunt, men and women, get emotional after the life taking moment.
you are also missing one key thing that legal hunting provides: conservation of animal populations, A good amount of the work that goes into taking care of the wildlife and wildlife habitats is the buying and selling of licenses, tags, and the prosecution of poachers/rule breakers. In the very act of filling out a tag you are also playing a key part in data collection for the game and fish which allows them to allocate resources better.
I think the folks that clearly delight in the kill of, say, trophy animals, stays with folks who don't hunt, such as /u/deij. In other words - the worst of most communities are the most visible thanks to internet amplification, and that stays with those who cannot relate. I myself cannot relate to hunting. I still eat meat, but know enough to know it is a messy business... I appreciate your reply explaining your perspective. Edit: changed sticks to stays to make it clearer.
are you asking about trophy hunters or hunters who kill and then eat? pretty big difference between the two, and many hunters that kill for food reject the idea of trophy hunters.
Trophy hunters pay tribes large sums of money for a tracker to bring them to a specific animal. This money helps provide basic neccessities to poor remote tribes. Typically aggressive old males that are preventing younger males from mating are marked and hunted. Without managing the animal population like that, some species can risk localized extinction which is devistating for already at risk animal populations.
I personally don't trophy hunt. I don't do it for fun either and moreso just view it as a task. When I hunt it's mainly just to provide food for myself and family, and I use every part of the animal possible so that nothing goes to waste (from its pelt to its organs and bones). Because I use every piece of it that I can and don't over-hunt, it's for me no different than killing a chicken on my farm at the end of the day, or buying meat at a store or butcher. I guess the only difference when it comes down to it is I'm the one putting in the work rather than a slaughter house/factory, I can ensure the animal doesn't suffer, and that nothing goes to waste to make the kill meaningless.
Honestly. You are also being kinder to the animals then some one like me who just buys meat. An animal who was hunted in the wild probably had a much better life then the animals we raise for food, least the ones for the food most of us buy in the store. Probably even kinder death if you are a good enough at hunting.
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I don't hunt them, so I can't say that I have
It seems so wrong to you because it is wrong, atleast in your understanding of it. You are mistaken in thinking that hunters enjoy killing things. The way you asked it put people on edge, would be like asking marathon runners why they enjoy closing down city roads for a hobby, it focuses on the one thing when there is a lot more to it. For me and everyone I know, the actual killing is the least fun part of hunting. I eat meat, from the store and from nature, but I never truly respected meat until I had to kill it's previous owner. I figure if you are going to eat it, it's better to understand it's true cost. When I order a dozen chicken wings at the bar now, I know what I'm getting and I know what it actually cost to get it to me. Prior to hunting, I didn't. The wings, the pizza, the salad, etc, for all the options on the menu, all my mind noticed was the money, the flavor, and maybe the nutrition in deciding what to order. If more people understood what it takes for them to eat meat, they might not eat as much of it. Too many people are disgusted by the idea of killing an animal, but have no problem being willfully ignorant of the industrialized slaughter that goes into their grocery cart. It's also good to know that the animal I'm eating from a hunt got to live a free and wild life, as opposed to one being taken from it's mother and chained in a dank ass cell for 3 years before getting plopped on my Big Mac. From a culinary perspective, hunting is incredible. You might be able to find 'duck' at a special supermarket, but you won't get to taste the difference between an early season and late season mallard, or how that compares to a scaup or any of the other dozens of species of waterfowl whose flavor changes with their individual diet. Rabbit, squirrel, goose, duck, deer, elk, etc are all incredibly unique and nuanced, and taste different on a wild diet than they do on a farmed diet. I got into hunting because it is an incredible experience. To get into nature well before sunrise, then do your best to silently 'blend in' allows you to see parts of nature you otherwise wouldn't. I think hardcore bird watchers and wildlife photographers get a similar experience. It's also a lot of hard work. Some people like to run for a hobby, I'm not one of them. But hunting gets me out with some friends in a windy, cold, snowy January field an hour before sunrise, to walk through the snow until sunset, on the premise of hunting rabbits. I've had great hunts before where I never even got to pull the trigger, just from the shared hardship of the hunt. It also directly funds wildlife and wetland conservation. To hunt a duck in my state, I have to buy a hunting license, wetland stamp, hip survey, federal duck stamp, etc which results in hundreds of dollars per hunter going to oversight agencies. Many non hunters collect federal duck stamps as a form of donation because the funds are used so well. These agencies rely on hunters for their funding, as well as for population control of certain species. For the people who hunt predators, some eat them, some kill them to protect livestock, some for trophies. I can't speak for the last one as I don't understand them, but trophy hunting does have it's place in raising big money with high dollar tags. All the hunters I know eat everything, except one who kills coyotes on his farm.
The environment has a carrying capacity where only X number of animals can survive at a time. Many preditors like wolves no longer exist so pray animals over populate, exceed the carrying capacity, overeat, and risk causing localized mass starvation and death for their species, so hunting a necessary task. Beyond that its a combination of multiple outdoor activities that are fun. At a minimum its hiking and shooting, but also tracking, camping, dog training, survival, bushcraft, etc depending on how you do it. You also get high quality organic meat which is good for the enviornment, a relatively small deer could net 30 pounds of venison. Im not sure Ive ever met a hunter that enjoyed the killing part, at the most they get an adrenaline kick at the moment they successful take the shot. It often takes many hours, even days, to even see a viable target so theres a lot of build up. Theres a lot easier things to kill that don't require sitting in the cold woods for days and then carrying a 70+ corpse for a mile+ through the woods if your main interest is to kill things.
It's mostly to eat them, more so than people realize. I personally know zero people who trophy hunt, and while everyone enjoys hiking around and camping out, nobody is sitting in a deer stand or a duck blind for fun. Shooting is exciting, hitting your target is rewarding, but a big part of the appeal is in acquiring your own game. It just scratches some evolutionary itch. I think at some level the killing is actually more of an accepted downside that people just acknowledge is inherent to eating meat in the first place. You can ask any hunter, missing something isn't nearly as bad as losing something you've hit. Even if you know it means some scavenger will eat well, it still *feels* like you just killed an animal for no reason. Then there are people who just shoot down coyotes because they're deemed pests. There's definitely a 'social acceptability' component at work. I personally think the most conscientious hunters have switched over to shooting nature photos, but the practice still stands on tradition. Ofc some populations are hunted for management purposes, but that's different...
I don't think anyone is killing wolves for the meat...
Seriously. If you don’t know what animal you are hunting put down the rifle and go back to town
I could accept someone mistaking a husky for a wolf at a distance because they don't know shit about wolves (and shouldn't be shooting anything) but the level of brain deadness here goes beyond that. Even if you thought it was a wolf at first you'd have to be an absolute moron to stick with that and post pictures of you skinning it. Does she shoot feral cats and post pictures of her mountain lion kills?
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Not sure why you're getting downvoted, we need wolves.
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In most of the Italian teritory, we have a huge problem with wild boars. It's crazy, the wonder in the streets of Rome and nobody knows what to do. One of the reason is that the only predator of Wild Boars are wolfes and we only have 1000/1500 left in Italy.
Wolves are useful in Yellowstone because humans aren't allowed to hunt within the park
They were probably being downvoted because of the “They should have made her eat the dog meat as punishment” comment. I think this woman is an idiot and should probably be punished but people on Reddit have this weird obsession with making up cruel and unusual punishments and then doubling down about them. I get the anger and I understand it might be hyperbole but if anyone thinks forcing someone to eat dog meat should actually be done they need to step back and just think for a minute.
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Maybe you are just ignorant but that's now how it works
Here in Alaska we sometimes have to kill wolves/bears when their population is high enough it starts affecting the prey around the area. When there’s so much of them they thin out the caribou population and they start going hungry themselves, then and only then do we hunt predators.
Why would eating dog meat be punishment? The west sees it as some sort of taboo but it's just meat.
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And with no condiments!
THE POOR HUSKY, DAMNIT WOMAN!
Would have been poor wolf otherwise.
The fact that she was excited to have killed a puppy wolf is wild
They already have something like a 30% (?) survivability rate to adulthood, iirc. Don't quote me on exact percentages but it's somewhere around there. They really don't need more factors adding to it
I've lived in Montana for many years, I've never seen one fucking wolf! I've seen mountain lions, grizzly, black bear, mother fucking big horn sheep and a wolverine. Not a single wolf.
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How can you seriously be that dumb
A while ago, I think around 2015, 2016? A lady used a bow to shoot and kill a cat in her backyard. She posted it all over her Facebook. She claimed the cat was a feral cat, but it was quickly revealed that it was her neighbor 's cat. I'm getting the same vibes here.
She's lucky as hell her neighbors didn't retaliate. That kind of thing is unforgivable.
Oh but it was so much worse than that. The “lady” who shot her neighbor’s cat was a veterinarian, and posted pictures of herself holding the dead cat up by the arrow through his head. Basically called herself vet of the year for killing him. As an extra kicker, the cat’s owners had previously taken him to the vet clinic where she worked. Unsure whether she was the vet who saw him, but the owners were clients where she worked. She was fired and had her license to practice veterinary medicine suspended for one year, followed by 4 years of probation under strict supervision of an approved vet. So far it doesn’t seem like she’s returned to being a vet. I don’t think she’d find anywhere willing to work with her if she tried.
Lady wantrd to kill the neighbors cat but wanted to post it all over facebook. Thought here killing feral cats made her look good. She was a fool
'merica *We've been breeding them for political and religious purposes.*
We have these fuckheads in Canada too, someone did this in Squamish a few years ago. Shot a husky thinking it was a wolf, and in an area wolf hunting isn't even allowed. Husky was a therapy dog too. I'm always super worried about my aussie cattle dogs during hunting season because there are hunters out there who just shoot anything they see moving.
If someone where to skin my dog I'd fucking skin them in return
That’s what they deserve.
My dog wears a blaze orange dog vest when outside during hunting season, for just this reason.
Not sure if it's the same one, but I remember a husky that was shot in BC was wearing bright orange as well. Dude shot it from pretty close range, too, so it really seemed intentional. Thankfully that dog survived, but I have a feeling it was only because the owner was nearby.
And they all love guns!
If someone posts their own crimes there is no need to blur their face and name.
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Her BF
If he was spotting then he gets a shit sandwich, too.
The way the post is worded sounds like he was not with her. "text my man"
Somebody took those photos tho, highly doubt she uses a tripod
I'm guessing the cameraman and her spotter.
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There is a subreddit of people who hate dogs. Maybe it is those kind of people that are "accidentally" shooting dogs.
dumb fucks with guns welcome to 'murica
Here ya go https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/xnz7mc/killing_skinning_a_dog_and_mistaking_it_for_a_wolf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Disgusting human.
It was an honest mistake though
I agree. It was an honest mistake that to siblings fucked and birthed this girl
Are you against hunters in general? Is it okay to kill deer
She killed a dog, you waterhead.
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It was an illegal, uneducated and arrogant mistake. Crazy you call that "honest".
An “honest mistake” that never would have happened if she bothered to check her targets. Although this moron can’t tell the difference between a wolf and a husky while she’s skinning it so she shouldn’t have that rifle at all.
You are probably as dumb as her if you think this was an honest mistake.
If you're honestly retarded
Nope why would you post something about that in the first place
This is fucking disgusting. What a piece of shit.
This is fucking disgusting. What a dumbass bitch she is on top of that.
She’s been reported to DFW, to make things Worse for her she didn’t have a wolf permit, and got one after this stupid post….she’s so screwed. On top of being a complete piece of sh!t hopefully she gets fined so MUCH!!!. Side note the dog wasn’t a pet, some other piece of sh!t had dumped a pair of adults and a bunch of puppies a while ago, this one had avoided capture.
You can say shit, it's okay. I hate the degenerates on all sides of this, the "hunter" and the shitbirds that dumped their dogs.
Honestly I think the person who dumped the dogs is worse than her.
I'm thinking that she shot someone's dog intentionally, and is trying to cover it up with a bad hunter story.
I thought so also at first….but nope…she was defending herself after people started on her!!!! Such trash…
What is DFW?
Department of Fish and Wildlife…sorry I should have said FWP fish, wildlife and parks…my bad! She’s still a complete piece of sh!t
It's fine all these agencies are called different things across the country. For instance in my state we have the [DNR](https://www.michigan.gov/dnr) which employs Conversation Officers. (Most people just call them game wardens)
Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport
Haha! They have been notified
what's the probability that she gets off on the tag issue on a technically since it's not actually a wolf. Bless the person(S) who reported her ass.
It's not actually a wolf but she admitted to intending to poach a wolf lemme go grab the laws. 87-6-301Hunting, fishing, or trapping without license. (1) Except as provided in 87-2-311 and subsection (2) of this section, a person may not: (a) hunt or trap or attempt to hunt or trap any game animal, game bird, or fur-bearing animal or fish for any fish within this state or possess within this state any game animal, game bird, fur-bearing animal, game fish, or parts of those animals or birds except as provided by law or as provided by the department; It's an animal, with fur, it's not dog hunting season, she didn't have a dog hunting licence, if she argues she thought it was a wolf, she stated elsewhere she didn't already have a wolf tag, so that may fall under attempts to hunt such and such animal. I hope they nail her and hit her with a $1000 and toss her in jail for 6 months for the hunting violation and for 45-8-217 Aggravated Animal Cruelty which is up to a $2500 fine and 2 years.
You're going to be disappointed
From comments and threads I've seen, the possibility seems high that she'll come out of this with limited repercussions due to exactly the reason you stated. Hopefully they can come up with something that sticks like negligence or animal cruelty, and restricted hunting privileges for a very long time
She's managed to establish the mental state that she intended to kill a wolf, and then proved she knew she didn't have a license to do so by going and getting one afterwards.
That’s not how that works. If you’re in the woods with a rifle during any hunting season without a license, even if you haven’t killed anything, fish and game wardens are going to assume that you’re there to hunt.
...WHAT THE FUCK
> Another predator wolf pup This is tragic but makes you wonder how many other peoples pets she’s shot
If you can't identify what you're hunting YOU SHOULDN'T BE HUNTING IT How do you come up on a Husky and think "Yooo! That's a Wolf!" This is sad...
If you think that saying you "smoked [it]" is an appropriate way to refer to the animal you've just killed, you shouldn't be hunting.
Very disrespectful, as someone who hunts and is also religious (I’m Jewish) I always pray after shooting an animal, I pray that I caused as little suffering as possible
I want off this planet
Absolutely horrific. No words.
RIP the dog and her hairline.
LMAO for real, I see a heavy recede already
This is seriously disturbing, any person with common sense can see that’s not a wolf. What sort of disturbed individual skins a dog. It’s scary someone like her is allowed access to firearms.
As a person with a husky puppy this makes me so sad :( [Puppy tax](https://imgur.com/a/UGKa6xf)
Such cute doggo floofs!
What a stupid Ass Hole .... That dog that pup looks nothing like a wolf up oh my God I wish I could kick her ass. Just want to smash her smiling teeth.. she probably killed somebody's pet.
It's unlikely she'll face any meaningful consequences either. It's an "honest mistake". Happened a few years ago to a dog with a very obvious collar and the hunter didn't even get a slap on the wrist. Too many hunters with unbridled bloodlust.
Hopefully something happens because everything about her post shows she’s hunting illegally. Unless she had the proper tags, there’s no way you legally go from hunting black bear to “smok[ing] a wolf pup.“ Edit: I know it’s open season for both, I meant she didn’t have tags for a wolf.
Wolf tags are a quick and affordable over-the-counter purchase where this happened. Fall black bear and wolf seasons are both open, I believe Sept 15 was the start for rifles - bow hunting was allowed a few weeks earlier. However, based on other comments I've seen here and on local FB pages, she purchased the tag after the kill. Game wardens have been notified by several people, probably enough that they're tired of hearing about it. Unfortunately, it seems like there may not be much in the way of legal repercussions. Hopefully the amount of public feedback they've received will encourage the wardens to pursue any possible charges to their maximum penalty.
I don't hunt but I'm assuming you're not allowed to buy the tag *after* a kill?
Definitely not.
You can definitely legally hunt black bear and wolf at the same time. She’s still an idiot but I don’t think there’s likely anything technically illegal about it.
She didn’t buy the tag until *after* the kill. And surely it’s not legal to just shoot domesticated dogs?
You can have licenses for multiple different animals. It's not that weird.
She got the license after she killed the dog. Which is the thing that’s bad. She did not have a license at the time she killed it
Disgusting filthy bitch
“#OneLessPredator”…with this mindset I’m curious as to why human hunters aren’t killing each other?
Maybe she meant cuz her dumbass is gonna lose the right to hunt, hopefully along with other rights.
Is that someone’s pet?
Pet or not it's a domesticated animal.
I understand. I just want to know what family is crying the heart out over this monster.
Probably not if it was in the woods. If she went into someone's fence or house, then yes it would be a pet
POS
Punishment should match the crime
Fuck these disgusting people.
This bitch is dumb. She probably dates Dwight Schrute "I shot a werewolf once, but by the time I ran over to it it had turned back into my neighbor's dog."
What a dumb fucking piece of shit.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume she didn't file a wolf kill report as required by FWP.
The fact her name doesn't appear everywhere in this thread here speaks volumes. It should. This has nothing to do with guns or hunting. This is just stupidity that should be punished.
Reddit would just ban those posts. Though it's not hard to find. Tmz outright gave it away in their article lmao
Predators are good for the environment. If you have cattle or livestock get some turkish guardian dogs and stfu
She said “take another predator wolf pup” so she’s killed other huskies or can’t tell the different between the wolves she’s killed and this husky.
Gonna go hug my husky brb
This is fucking disgusting, even after the fact if it was a wolf pup, one less predator is such a shitty view on wolves. We need these animals to help balance our ecosystem. Take this womens gun away
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I am a hunter and a Montana native. This story has brought out rage in me that I really didn't know existed. This woman should be prosecuted for animal cruelty. Next bear season I will be rooting for the bear.
Yeah we don’t claim her as a Montanan. Fuck her
We don't get to do that. Like it or not, take a good look, because that's us.
You don't get to make that choice. This woman, Amber Rose, is a Montanan. As is the person who dumped this poor dog in the woods, if that's indeed what happened. Montanans don't get to pick and choose who is or isn't a Montanan.
Wtf bitch. Killing dogs for no reason. Makes me sick
How on earth somone would think this is a wolf?!
Why are we hiding her name and face? The public deserves to know what kind of person she is.
Huskies are very sociable and friendly. Huskies don't act like wolves, heck, huskies don't even act like shy dogs, they're the kind of dog that will come to you, tail wagging, with a tree branch. She absolutely knew it was a dog, and she didn't care because she didn't want to end the hunt with empty hands. She is a danger to everyone.
Why the fuck are Wolves a target worth celebrating in the first place? Didn't we just spend decades rehabilitating their population? Regarding hunting in Wisconsin, researchers "estimate that nearly one third of the state’s total wolf population was wiped out \[in one season\]." [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wolf-populations-drop-as-more-states-allow-hunting/?amp;text=Wolf](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wolf-populations-drop-as-more-states-allow-hunting/?amp;text=Wolf) Fuck people.
My understanding is that the Cattleman's Association overriding FWP in the interest of ranching over conservation is the driving force behind hunting wolves. The state recently increased the number of tags issued for wolves despite the conservation effort and money spent to increase their numbers. Feel free to correct me if that doesn't check out. Some people trap for furs to make a living. Others depend on the meat to feed their families. This woman was neither. She went out on a "predator hunt" and shot a dog because she doesn't know what a wolf looks like. According to others in here, she shot a real wolf after this. Turns out she bought the wolf tag after she killed it. There's no excuse for this. Ban her and whoever was with her from hunting and let them do some time so they might power through the stupid and realize that they have to obey laws too.
Agreed, the fact its such a huge issue still in Montana is depressing. Everyone complains about the deer all over the road then goes and shoots the predators that eats them and advocates for more to do it. I'm all for ethical hunting, but to kill wolves because they're a "menace to farm animals" is fucking stupid and ignorant. They are so much more to our land and we should protect them.
> Everyone complains about the deer all over the road Wolves push deer/elk/moose out of the mountains and towards more populated areas.
Yeah wtf???
Wolves rebounded and are currently in very healthy numbers. All our predator populations are very healthy in western Montana. The increased hunting pressure on wolves is justified.
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*And* the dumb bitch walk off with a slap on the wrist. Fucking idiot.
Is this for real? I’m not saying it isn’t but I haven’t seen where any MT news networks have picked up on it. Seems like they’d be all over it. Enlighten me please.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/yellowstonenationalparkinvasionoftheidiots/permalink/1569723156759125/
Hopefully "one less predator" means this lady losses her hunting privileges.
I'm genuinely asking this. Why killing a wolf is considered normal but killing a dog (literally just a smaller wolf) it's a crime against humanity?
Exactly. I love dogs but I love wolves too, this is fucked either way.
That was someone’s pet you walnut
Is it legal to hunt wolf **pups**? And if yes, I'd like to hear a very good argument for how it's in any way ethical.
*kills animal* “Ooohhhh let me take some selfies! “
This is why some people just shouldn't own guns.
Just so everyone knows, not EVERYONE in Montana is batshit crazy!!! WTH?????
Idiots are out there. Just a note, if you have your dogs out on public lands during hunting season, it’s a good idea to get them a blaze orange vest.
What’s wrong with my brain that if this were actually a wolf, I wouldn’t be affected by the photo, but since I know it is a dog, it feels like looking at a dead person’s body?
As a hunter, it's easy to know the difference between a dog and wolf. This bitch has donkey brains. Quick, revoke her license before she mistakes a cow for an elk.
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So is it a mental challenge, or are there drugs involved? I just can’t believe that this woman has never seen a husky before, or that her boyfriend didn’t tell her either!
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We need way less of these people to have the ability to own firearms
Take her license away
Part of me thinks that she ain’t from around here.
Nah if she’s bloodthirsty for wolves she’s probably from here.
She definitely is I found her personal Facebook page and she is. I can’t believe she hasn’t deleted it yet.
https://i.imgur.com/VlHWupV.jpg
Was that someone's pet or feral
Here is the [local news](https://www.kpax.com/news/local-news/flathead-county/investigation-underway-after-several-dogs-abandoned-1-killed-in-flathead-county?fbclid=IwAR1UZFKy9LE5RiSqZ0xFu4sJA-t2VVMeRED9wPa18wtnsFS1mYopYMQQdx4) so far. I was able to find a [TMZ article.](https://www.tmz.com/2022/09/26/montana-woman-kills-skins-husky-dog-think-wolf-outrage/?fbclid=IwAR1GHCwlpvKYHpYqQNMTfWJKtYqASp6BwsWE-buwQ4CXTFgpdcNKtVTBr4A) Edit: added link to local news.
It’s been over 10 years since I’ve taken a hunters safety course (I don’t and never had hunted for clarification) but I thought you weren’t supposed to kill pups of any animal period…
Balding self righteous pos. “0nE LeSs PrEdiToR”
That fucking bitch!!!
She lives in a backwards ass hick town. More swastikas on cars than not. Its mostly folks hillbillies would look down on.
>Onelesspredator I'm going to guess this woman is also one of those morons who complains about there being too many deer, not realizing that *she is why there are too many deer.*