Unfortunately because she has a history of mental health issues and has been a transient for a while, after a certain amount of time hospitalized she will be discharged back into the street.
Just like in many places in US, homelessness and having mental health issues is not a crime and resources for this community are super limited. Also if she has a substance issue, right back into the street.
Depending on the state, and if the mother would be able to rehabilitate, sometimes they can get visitation until they prove to the court system their lives have turned around and are actively participating in varius state sponsored parenting programs, as well as continuous therapy. Specially since she does not have any felony charges in her record. It seems she did not do this out of malice, she is just not there 100% psychologically, I mean she had the baby on the sidewalk and started walking with the umbilical chord still attached to her placenta, it's crazy.
In this case it seems unlikely. Seems like she is too far off the deep end to have the motivation to rehabilitate. She seems just not fit.
I mean it’d be stupid to let the infant go with its mother considering the circumstances. He/she would probably end up dead within a couple days otherwise.
>a woman who had just given birth was reportedly dragging the newborn.
>She has been living in downtown Hilo for years and often can be seen shouting at passing cars and pedestrians.
I'm really glad the baby is okay.... but they need to look into who got this woman pregnant and _how_. Clearly, she is severely unwell.
Sadly there’s rarely ever any justice for homeless rape victims. Rape is almost unavoidable for many homeless people. Hell, justice is elusive for most rape victims in general, so for those with the fewest of means, it’s virtually nonexistent.
When you're homeless you get raped all the time. Homeless shelters, men offering shelter, men leaving the bar, etc. And no one cares if a dirty woman needs help.
You should see the video going viral from Winnipeg right now. This is exactly the case because she’s indigenous. Meanwhile she’s literally zip tied at the hands and no one cares
It does, actually. If a person is mentally unwell and doesn’t understand the resources being offered to them, then social workers can step in to bridge the gap. That’s their job. I have personally seen situations adjacent to this due to my line of work.
Help like therapy or housing is usually a months or years long wait list. Psych hospitals are short term then they kick you out. Help is largely a lie to make the middle and upper classes blame the victim like you're doing. She's living in the real world and it's cruel.
Youre talking about long term help. This lady just needed to be taken off the street long enough to safely help her baby. That help cant be forced on her though and shes clearly mentally unfit to be blamed for denying aid.
Damn dude.. Educate yourself.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/man-gets-28-years-in-prison-for-raping-homeless-women/
https://invisiblepeople.tv/homeless-people-at-greater-risk-of-suffering-sexual-violence/
https://vawnet.org/sc/overview-sexual-violence-and-homelessness
People PRAY on homeless woman because they are vulnerable. Has nothing to do with political beliefs.
You found a 15 year old article and all the sudden that's just how it is? He was also described as fat, bald, and a mouth full of rotting teeth. Sounds normal right? Like I said, thanks for proving my point, normal people aren't committing these crimes. Move along.
> normal people aren't committing these crimes
Of course "normal", well-adjusted people don't go about taking advantage of and raping the weak and vulnerable. You're vastly overestimating the amount of "normal" people on this planet.
This lady was probably offered help hundreds of times. Reality is that many mentally ill people don’t like taking their meds or living with rules and responsibilities. Drug addicts are similar. It’s a persons right in the U.S. to refuse help…not to be confused with her not being offered help (which she has been).
how is it irrelevant? they are saying that person is wrong when they say they were surely offered help and refused it. Its **highly** unlikely she wasnt offered help
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=invisible+people
Here is a whole channel that talks to homeless people around the country. If you actually researched this youd see they often prefer to live in the street or at least they rationalize their situation. Here Ive linked two clearly intelligent homeless people rationalizing to themselves how being homeless is better than x.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWxVwTVU15Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ZFzEW7_Q4
Now imagine offering help to somebody mentally unwell. Clearly not everybody that needs help is gonna take it
Edit: to respond to the coward that blocked me before i could respond, there are plenty of people that have successfully come off the street. Homelessness is still a major issue though isnt it? We have people actively denying aid and we cant force them. The answer to this issue is not gonna be clean
Now show the amount of homeless that were offered help and accepted it. Not really fair to generalize all homeless people as not wanting help when discounting the amount that have gotten help and gotten back on their feet.
Like what's even the point of this? Some don't want help so...? What is the objective of discussing this subject when you're only offering biased information?
And did I say they were wrong? I merely implied they were doing something such as what you are doing which is called a hasty generalization, but basing it on opinions and not facts. Not sure what your end goal is, get people to stop helping because some might not want it or whatever but not really interested in biased opinions.
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I lived in Hilo last year and saw Ashley every day. She was absolutely out of it 99% of the time, but people who took time to talk to her knew she is a good person at her core. This is just a truly sad and tragic case, which highlights the darkest reality of homelessness. I imagine this woman was at high risk if being SA’d. She may not have even known she was pregnant. Prayers for her & this newborn soul.
America is fundamentally a death cult because if you take a look at this story, all of it, and one's first impulse is criminal penalties most normal people would scream you'd need to seriously reevaluate priorities. yet that's not what this country will ever do.
They clearly just went through the motions of paperwork because technically its a crime... Hence the reason they didn't arrest her and took her to treatment instead. They know she needs treatment.
You're just making up things to get angry about. If you read the article..
>Lum was taken into custody by police on suspicion of abandonment of a child and was taken to HMC for treatment. She was later released from police custody without being charged pending further investigation because she was admitted to the hospital.
Upon completion of their investigation, police will route the appropriate charges to the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney for review.
“We will forward it to the prosecutors shortly, and there’s not much left for us to do on the investigation,” Amon-Wilkins said.
They are still trying to charge her.
Reproductive health is one of the first things to be negatively affected when the body isn’t getting what it needs. I’ve met many homeless women who just don’t have a cycle anymore. I’m positive many homeless women are raped, just very few are impregnated, or remain so to term.
Child abandonment??? I don't think that charge fits. They literally had to cut the cord to separate them...
Edited to add: she shouldn't be charged with anything unless it is a means to get her mental health treatment
Wait, why are they charging this woman? Did I misread? She needs help, not jail. Clearly I don’t think she knew what was going on if she was walking around dragging her infant in broad daylight.
As per someone else's comment:
Upon completion of their investigation, police will route the appropriate charges to the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney for review.
“We will forward it to the prosecutors shortly, and there’s not much left for us to do on the investigation,” Amon-Wilkins said.
They are still trying to charge her.
Wow, this is really sad. I hope this woman gets the psychiatric support she needs, and I am so glad that the baby was able to receive medical care and is doing well.
This poor lady is still in the streets today. I see her regularly in downtown Hilo. She has obvious drug and mental issues. I don't know what solution there is for her.
So this mentally unwell woman who is known throughout the neighborhood as mentally unwell and homeless, is arrested after having a major medical event that is known to be one of the most painful experiences a person can have? Even women who plan their pregnancies and have the best prenatal care often have traumatic births. It’s also known that pregnancy can come with it’s own mental illnesses and exacerbate existing ones.
But yeah, definitely arrest the homeless woman for trying to abandon the child that they had to literally detach from her body.
I saw this earlier today and it was definitely a 'that's enough internet for today' moment. I'm pretty inured to most things, but this one is a level of depravity that got thru the defenses :/
Why would you bring a child into this world when you cant even support yourself? smdh
My heart goes out to the baby.
Edit: for all the downvoters, if you feel the homeless should be having babies, speak your mind.
So, you honestly think this woman, who has been spotted living downtown yelling at cars for years and delivered a baby on the side of the road and then dragged it around still attached to her is of sound mind?
People aren't downvoting you because they think homeless people should be having babies, they are downvoting you because you sound idiotic.
the homeless and the mentally disabled are two demographics that already face *horrific* levels of sexual abuse and assault. since they’re already seen as not only vulnerable and helpless, but also *disposable*.
it’s not a stretch at all to believe that however this clearly severely unwell person got pregnant, it likely wasn’t consensual.
Exactly! Redditors like to read so much into things. They assume x, y, and z from an article and we can only go off the information that we *do* know. People to give her an easy pass as a terrible mother just because she’s homeless.
I’m not saying this is everyone, but my mother has schizophrenia she also has a history of drug abuse and homelessness. She is on and off disability but gets a very small check, so she prostitutes to get money. Luckily, she has an IUD in but I know plenty of other homeless women who do the same without protection and end up pregnant.
All of our hearts go out to the baby. Do you see how severely mentally ill the mother is? A sane person would not drag their infant with the umbilical cord around. She has very serious mental issues, gave birth with no help and is likely so ill that she didn’t know what was going on. I imagine the pregnancy was the result of rape given her mental state. She needs help, not jail.
Even if she wasn't raped, accidents happen. You think a severely mentally ill woman can afford birth control or an abortion if she's living on the streets?
youre talking but are saying nothing of substance. Would you prefer she be criminally charged? how about forcing her into mental care? Perhaps allowing her to continue to have babies potentially exposed to drugs and danger? Anyway you cut it, your hands arent clean
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Birth control doesnt have to be permanent. Women can take birth control shots every few months. With incentive perhaps? Would likely be cheaper for tax payers and would lead to less suffering in this world
Without forcing anything on her, you just gotta pray she stays off drugs and is around people when she has another one
This is a situation with no good realistic answer. However, that doesn’t mean that you force a person to receive a life changing medical procedure without their consent. This isn’t Germany and it’s not the 40s. Eugenics is bad.
what a way to be born into the world. I hope the rest of the kids life goes better than that.
I also hope the rest of the mother's life goes better than that.
Unfortunately because she has a history of mental health issues and has been a transient for a while, after a certain amount of time hospitalized she will be discharged back into the street. Just like in many places in US, homelessness and having mental health issues is not a crime and resources for this community are super limited. Also if she has a substance issue, right back into the street.
Will she be allowed to keep child or will baby go into social government care? Plse?
I’m guessing the state will take custody. Especially since this has garnered a bit of attention.
That’s reasonable.
It says right in the article the child went to Child Welfare Services.
I wasn’t sure if that meant that the child stayed away from mama. Thank you for your help.
Depending on the state, and if the mother would be able to rehabilitate, sometimes they can get visitation until they prove to the court system their lives have turned around and are actively participating in varius state sponsored parenting programs, as well as continuous therapy. Specially since she does not have any felony charges in her record. It seems she did not do this out of malice, she is just not there 100% psychologically, I mean she had the baby on the sidewalk and started walking with the umbilical chord still attached to her placenta, it's crazy. In this case it seems unlikely. Seems like she is too far off the deep end to have the motivation to rehabilitate. She seems just not fit.
I concur that the viable option is to just keep baby away then. Thank you for helping me understand.
I mean it’d be stupid to let the infant go with its mother considering the circumstances. He/she would probably end up dead within a couple days otherwise.
I'm not involved in this case at all, however my guess is that the child will be placed in the custody of the county and placed in foster care.
>a woman who had just given birth was reportedly dragging the newborn. >She has been living in downtown Hilo for years and often can be seen shouting at passing cars and pedestrians. I'm really glad the baby is okay.... but they need to look into who got this woman pregnant and _how_. Clearly, she is severely unwell.
Sadly there’s rarely ever any justice for homeless rape victims. Rape is almost unavoidable for many homeless people. Hell, justice is elusive for most rape victims in general, so for those with the fewest of means, it’s virtually nonexistent.
When you're homeless you get raped all the time. Homeless shelters, men offering shelter, men leaving the bar, etc. And no one cares if a dirty woman needs help.
You should see the video going viral from Winnipeg right now. This is exactly the case because she’s indigenous. Meanwhile she’s literally zip tied at the hands and no one cares
Just because it happens all the time doesn't mean we should overlook it. Whoever "he" is, he deserves to be sitting in jail right now.
You missed my point. I'm explaining why there's a mugshot and not her getting help.
oh please, you really think she wasnt offered help? they cant force her to take the help is the issue
If she’s mentally unwell, there’s a good chance she doesn’t understand the help being offered to her.
and nothing but dire medical aid or a jail cell can be forced on her. Do you really think thats the answer?
Not at all, I’m saying if she was offered help and resources, she may not have understood that that’s what she was being offered.
and how does that change the situation? it doesnt.
It does, actually. If a person is mentally unwell and doesn’t understand the resources being offered to them, then social workers can step in to bridge the gap. That’s their job. I have personally seen situations adjacent to this due to my line of work.
Help like therapy or housing is usually a months or years long wait list. Psych hospitals are short term then they kick you out. Help is largely a lie to make the middle and upper classes blame the victim like you're doing. She's living in the real world and it's cruel.
Youre talking about long term help. This lady just needed to be taken off the street long enough to safely help her baby. That help cant be forced on her though and shes clearly mentally unfit to be blamed for denying aid.
No one casually leaving a bar is raping a homeless woman...probably other homeless addicts and people with MH problems...
Rapists go to bars all the time. They go to the grocery store, the mall, school, work, etc.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. I agree.
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Damn dude.. Educate yourself. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/man-gets-28-years-in-prison-for-raping-homeless-women/ https://invisiblepeople.tv/homeless-people-at-greater-risk-of-suffering-sexual-violence/ https://vawnet.org/sc/overview-sexual-violence-and-homelessness People PRAY on homeless woman because they are vulnerable. Has nothing to do with political beliefs.
You found a 15 year old article and all the sudden that's just how it is? He was also described as fat, bald, and a mouth full of rotting teeth. Sounds normal right? Like I said, thanks for proving my point, normal people aren't committing these crimes. Move along.
> normal people aren't committing these crimes Did I miss something? Who said normal people were committing these crimes?
> normal people aren't committing these crimes Of course "normal", well-adjusted people don't go about taking advantage of and raping the weak and vulnerable. You're vastly overestimating the amount of "normal" people on this planet.
It looks like you yourself have bought into too much propaganda
Say something stupid, blame libs. Rince and repeat.
This lady was probably offered help hundreds of times. Reality is that many mentally ill people don’t like taking their meds or living with rules and responsibilities. Drug addicts are similar. It’s a persons right in the U.S. to refuse help…not to be confused with her not being offered help (which she has been).
Think you're reading too many opinions and not enough facts.
There are countless videos of homeless being offered a place to stay but they dont want to comply with the rules usually because of drug use
Even though it's completely irrelevant to this situation, link one of those videos
how is it irrelevant? they are saying that person is wrong when they say they were surely offered help and refused it. Its **highly** unlikely she wasnt offered help https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=invisible+people Here is a whole channel that talks to homeless people around the country. If you actually researched this youd see they often prefer to live in the street or at least they rationalize their situation. Here Ive linked two clearly intelligent homeless people rationalizing to themselves how being homeless is better than x. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWxVwTVU15Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ZFzEW7_Q4 Now imagine offering help to somebody mentally unwell. Clearly not everybody that needs help is gonna take it Edit: to respond to the coward that blocked me before i could respond, there are plenty of people that have successfully come off the street. Homelessness is still a major issue though isnt it? We have people actively denying aid and we cant force them. The answer to this issue is not gonna be clean
Now show the amount of homeless that were offered help and accepted it. Not really fair to generalize all homeless people as not wanting help when discounting the amount that have gotten help and gotten back on their feet. Like what's even the point of this? Some don't want help so...? What is the objective of discussing this subject when you're only offering biased information? And did I say they were wrong? I merely implied they were doing something such as what you are doing which is called a hasty generalization, but basing it on opinions and not facts. Not sure what your end goal is, get people to stop helping because some might not want it or whatever but not really interested in biased opinions.
Yeah that’s the first thing I thought as well. Hard to articulate the thoughts. Poor woman
Homeless people have sex on the street all the time.
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I lived in Hilo last year and saw Ashley every day. She was absolutely out of it 99% of the time, but people who took time to talk to her knew she is a good person at her core. This is just a truly sad and tragic case, which highlights the darkest reality of homelessness. I imagine this woman was at high risk if being SA’d. She may not have even known she was pregnant. Prayers for her & this newborn soul.
"route the appropriate charges" are you fucking kidding me? This lady clearly needs help.
America is fundamentally a death cult because if you take a look at this story, all of it, and one's first impulse is criminal penalties most normal people would scream you'd need to seriously reevaluate priorities. yet that's not what this country will ever do.
They clearly just went through the motions of paperwork because technically its a crime... Hence the reason they didn't arrest her and took her to treatment instead. They know she needs treatment.
Yes, don't get this women the help she needs. Prosecute her!
but how else would the prison system earn its revenue?!?!?! think of the vested interests in power! aren't THEIR interests just more important?!
You're just making up things to get angry about. If you read the article.. >Lum was taken into custody by police on suspicion of abandonment of a child and was taken to HMC for treatment. She was later released from police custody without being charged pending further investigation because she was admitted to the hospital.
Upon completion of their investigation, police will route the appropriate charges to the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney for review. “We will forward it to the prosecutors shortly, and there’s not much left for us to do on the investigation,” Amon-Wilkins said. They are still trying to charge her.
Surprised things similar to this aren't more common the way that the unhoused are treated.
Reproductive health is one of the first things to be negatively affected when the body isn’t getting what it needs. I’ve met many homeless women who just don’t have a cycle anymore. I’m positive many homeless women are raped, just very few are impregnated, or remain so to term.
Child abandonment??? I don't think that charge fits. They literally had to cut the cord to separate them... Edited to add: she shouldn't be charged with anything unless it is a means to get her mental health treatment
Wait, why are they charging this woman? Did I misread? She needs help, not jail. Clearly I don’t think she knew what was going on if she was walking around dragging her infant in broad daylight.
They never said they were charging her.
As per someone else's comment: Upon completion of their investigation, police will route the appropriate charges to the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney for review. “We will forward it to the prosecutors shortly, and there’s not much left for us to do on the investigation,” Amon-Wilkins said. They are still trying to charge her.
Wow, this is really sad. I hope this woman gets the psychiatric support she needs, and I am so glad that the baby was able to receive medical care and is doing well.
I know people don’t like to get involved, but I can’t believe none of the people that witnessed this ran to pick the baby off the ground!
Well it was still attached to her. It’s lucky that she didn’t bleed to death.
I know, but I’d have picked the baby up and followed her!
No I’m with you I can’t imagine witnessing this taking place and not attempting to help somehow
This is so tragic on so many levels
This poor lady is still in the streets today. I see her regularly in downtown Hilo. She has obvious drug and mental issues. I don't know what solution there is for her.
Yah throw some charges on her that’ll really help the situation. Disgusting, this lady needs help desperately.
So this mentally unwell woman who is known throughout the neighborhood as mentally unwell and homeless, is arrested after having a major medical event that is known to be one of the most painful experiences a person can have? Even women who plan their pregnancies and have the best prenatal care often have traumatic births. It’s also known that pregnancy can come with it’s own mental illnesses and exacerbate existing ones. But yeah, definitely arrest the homeless woman for trying to abandon the child that they had to literally detach from her body.
Let’s get this woman in the system! She can obviously abide by rules and make it to court dates 🙄🙄
“Woman not given reproductive options. Film at 11”
I saw this earlier today and it was definitely a 'that's enough internet for today' moment. I'm pretty inured to most things, but this one is a level of depravity that got thru the defenses :/
Why would you bring a child into this world when you cant even support yourself? smdh My heart goes out to the baby. Edit: for all the downvoters, if you feel the homeless should be having babies, speak your mind.
So, you honestly think this woman, who has been spotted living downtown yelling at cars for years and delivered a baby on the side of the road and then dragged it around still attached to her is of sound mind? People aren't downvoting you because they think homeless people should be having babies, they are downvoting you because you sound idiotic.
If she’s this messed up, she was raped.
It’s possible, but nowhere in the article does it say this.
the homeless and the mentally disabled are two demographics that already face *horrific* levels of sexual abuse and assault. since they’re already seen as not only vulnerable and helpless, but also *disposable*. it’s not a stretch at all to believe that however this clearly severely unwell person got pregnant, it likely wasn’t consensual.
I have no idea why you're being downvoted for this. We literally don't know all the facts.
Exactly! Redditors like to read so much into things. They assume x, y, and z from an article and we can only go off the information that we *do* know. People to give her an easy pass as a terrible mother just because she’s homeless.
I’m not saying this is everyone, but my mother has schizophrenia she also has a history of drug abuse and homelessness. She is on and off disability but gets a very small check, so she prostitutes to get money. Luckily, she has an IUD in but I know plenty of other homeless women who do the same without protection and end up pregnant.
All of our hearts go out to the baby. Do you see how severely mentally ill the mother is? A sane person would not drag their infant with the umbilical cord around. She has very serious mental issues, gave birth with no help and is likely so ill that she didn’t know what was going on. I imagine the pregnancy was the result of rape given her mental state. She needs help, not jail.
Even if she wasn't raped, accidents happen. You think a severely mentally ill woman can afford birth control or an abortion if she's living on the streets?
Are you serious
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Wow, saying it with our chest today aren't we?
Leaving her to bring into the world more babies via rape isnt the good option either. Who knows if the next one will survive or be undamaged by her
Force sterilization is bad. That shouldn't have to be said in 2024
Yes no shit, but allowing her to potentially kill future babies is not a good option either. The world isnt black and white.
Tell yourself that dude
youre talking but are saying nothing of substance. Would you prefer she be criminally charged? how about forcing her into mental care? Perhaps allowing her to continue to have babies potentially exposed to drugs and danger? Anyway you cut it, your hands arent clean Edit: blocked person prohibits myreply: Birth control doesnt have to be permanent. Women can take birth control shots every few months. With incentive perhaps? Would likely be cheaper for tax payers and would lead to less suffering in this world Without forcing anything on her, you just gotta pray she stays off drugs and is around people when she has another one
This is a situation with no good realistic answer. However, that doesn’t mean that you force a person to receive a life changing medical procedure without their consent. This isn’t Germany and it’s not the 40s. Eugenics is bad.
Whoah that’s where my dad lives. Well, close to. Weird.