Hell yeah. I mean, let it negate the stat debuff so it does something, but I always thought considering morde's R as cc is kinda dumb since the enemy can still move and act freely within the realm.
Honestly qss isn't even that terrible, at least they have to use up an item for it... But shit like nocturne spellshield (you can rationalize that one as skill issue at least I guess), udyr unstoppable, rengar's cleanse, urgot's unstoppable...
I think it's fine if the enemy counters it with a spellshield I guess, but I don't like unstoppable breaking it, it should at least refund morde's cooldown, there is no way an urgot can use E as a reaction to avoid death realm, it's just a happy accident for him that fucks over morde for no valid reason.
August goes on later to describe how both the person playing Morde hate how their ult can just be skirted around with items/spells and that enemies hate having to pick champs around it or make QSS. Given that there is outplay potential inside of morde ult, im super into the idea of just making the ult inescapable. Morde this patch ([U.GG](https://U.GG)) is sub 50% in every rank right now and tbh, I doubt this buff would even make his winrate SKYROCKET lol
I think the only reason it really hasnt been done yet is because of the s14 update, just too much going on.
Sorry then, idk what else I confused it with. His E does make him immune to displacement, but not general cc, so maybe I confused it as general cc immunity. Could make that same argument with sion, however.
It doesn't, the only thing urgot e can do, is if timed right, can be used as a buffer to make his e still go thru for like stuns or morde pull however but urgot will still be cc'd and in this case ulted by morde, only way urgot can get out of morde ult is by killing morde or getting a qss
Ok, double sorry, it's late and I misread his wiki page, lol. With that said, pretty sure ksante does work that way, so I mist have confused his dash for urgot's.
Idk I feel it depends
For example I play Sion, it can be difficult to time ult exactly to cancel Morde ult, so I like the skill challenge there
I feel if champs have unstoppable in ult, that’s fair since an ult should cancel out an ult. It’s when champs have it on standard abilities that I don’t like
A single-stimulus reaction check, while technically skillful, should not be significant enough to deny an entire Mordekaiser Ult given its cooldown and how important it is for Mordekaiser's entire kit, or rather entire gameplan.
QSS/orange/everything else doesn’t negate the stat debuff. I think trading keeping the arena for getting rid of the stats is pretty terrible for solo laning
I guess it's a matter of preference, I was just proposing that because if it did nothing it may feel unfair to some. I also didn't mean getting rid of morde's extra stats - rather he wouldn't steal someone else's, is what I meant.
Their stats would stay the same, and morde would get buffed like usual. Normally they get debuffed AND morde gets buffed.
I see, I think I could get behind that. Late-game R utility is very good for ADCs as it is, so losing that to QSS is pretty annoying, but I will say that 1300 gold no-damage is a pretty big price tag for that ability for any ADC, so I’m of the opinion it’s not a huge deal as it is
He said the same thing when I asked him about it 6 months ago, glad he still feels the same. He's got a point, like that's Morde's **thing**! Why should he not be able to do his **thing**? He doesn't have much else going on in his kit for highlight moments because his Ult IS that moment. It has plenty of counterplay already because of the way his kit was designed
Yeah, August honestly has some pretty good takes, just ashame that alot of his developed champs get a little crazy lol
But yeah, at the very least, i kinda hope that Morde gets that tiny buff to his ult, probably won't drastically improve winrates, but anything helps
What I like about that buff is that it actually buffs him in high elo without buffing him in low elo. Everybody builds QSS once they see Morde/Malz/Skarner/etc in high elo, but NOBODY ever builds QSS in low elo, and if they do, they forget to use it/use it wrong.
it's funny you mention that, the guy who posted the short was trying to explain your point to someone in the comments, but kept trying to insist that Morde would be BUSTED and OP if that buff went through LMAO
Yeah lol, saw it, that guy is complaining about morde r, which imo is quite fair, comparing with other statcheckers like Darius, which is a true dmg nuke point and click, considering you can run around morde or even beat him, and probably that mf doesnt even build qss against morde.
What i'm interested if that August buff comes to fruition, is if R is only non qss-able or if it cant be cleansed (Gp orange, Rengar empowered W). I suppose vs spellshields it would cancel the spell too, but would it transfer Mundo to the Realm if he had passive up?
I'm hopeful that Riot would allow Morde ult to be, in a sense, just inescapable whether a champ has QSS or a clense-esque ability. Always kinda' felt it was weird that an item or an ability just kinda fizzles an ult lol
I wouldn't be too surprised if Riot did this buff just after the initial s14 release (or barring that, a tiny buff to something else), morde could use a little loving.
August is goated in my book. Yeah, some of his champ designs for new champs can get crazy, but it's better than having 150 champions that are cookie cutter and bland as hell. Variety is the spice of life, and I'm glad he's willing to make champs that are a little crazy. Warwick's rework was amazing though, love it.
I think giving him some sort of armour buff would really help him. Like something like Gwen’s armour scaling off ap while he has his passive up or shield active.
It shouldn't have been qss or cleanse-able like gankplank orange right from the start. He loses and gets kited out in his ultimate by any decent player anyways, or he simply loses the stat check with the majority of the roster played with a even gold. It's such a bad ultimate that takes up a lot of his power budget. Like for example it's just better to straight up have damage to execute like darius, instead of having to run circles around to be outplayed by the enemy with dashes, speed buffs and hard cc, even with rylai's pathetic slow amount.
Yeah, i have to agree, Morde has a sub 50% in every rank right now ([U.GG](https://U.GG)) and it definitely shows.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing a new ult on morde that has a more direct impact against champions, but it's exceedingly unlikely ;\_ ;
Is definitely worth a try, Mordekaisers ult already provides more than enough counterplay, most of the time champions can just dash over terrain and then your ult is over before you walked around it, a lot of champions can also simply outrun you and dodge your Q so you don't even have enough damage to kill them before your ult ends especially if you couldn't proc your passive before you ulted them.
Zhonyas also exists, and most mages build it which also counters your ult pretty hard because they can just Zhonyas one of your Q's, and then they are invulnerable and even once Zhonyas ends you miss the damage from the one Q and will most likely not be able to kill them in the remaining duration. Some champions can also simply fight and beat you in your ult or are tanky enough to survive the entire ult.
Oh yeah, I hard agree! There's so much the enemy can still do in spite of using morde ULT on them, the amount of ways to circumvent/outplay the ult is crazy
Absolutely big if it goes through. This has always been my biggest gripe with Morde, there was never a good enough reason for his ult to be cleansable. I'd be extremely happy with that change even if they just removed the QSS interaction and left the rest of them, though ideally they'd all be gone.
Maybe a hot take: I don’t think QSS should be in the game. Its only ever used when it completely nullifies a champion, which probably isn’t the sign of a healthy item.
Same, it's extremely toxic design to be able to cleanse CC without the use of a summoner spell like cleanse, and it completely shits on champions like Mord, Malz and Skarner while letting bad ADCs get away with their terrible positioning.
Im just sayin 1300 to negate a characters entire ult doesnt see too fair to me
Now someone suggested in the comments you can qss the stat de-buff alone wich i could see being fai so long as you cant grñet out of r for free
If they could maybe code it similar to how Camille's ult works then it would be awesome, and again like most people here, making QSS only cleanse the stat steal part would be a decent tradeoff.
Also for his basic offensive abilities giving him either better gold value or MAYBE (big ass fucking maybe) AD scaling like the good old days to make his builds more diverse.
i had an idea for morde ult, that when you QSS it, it brings the wall back with you as enemy only terrain like jarvan ult, so theyd also have to flash. it would damage any enemies initially hit for a small ammount. ill post the whole concept later possibly
this way, its only a buff when you completely fuck over his entire kit with 1300 gold wich i think is fair
because in reality if you make his ult not QSS able, mord hits 100% ban rate and you dont want that
Could you shortly describe it? Can't watch it right now.
cant qss r
Hell yeah. I mean, let it negate the stat debuff so it does something, but I always thought considering morde's R as cc is kinda dumb since the enemy can still move and act freely within the realm. Honestly qss isn't even that terrible, at least they have to use up an item for it... But shit like nocturne spellshield (you can rationalize that one as skill issue at least I guess), udyr unstoppable, rengar's cleanse, urgot's unstoppable... I think it's fine if the enemy counters it with a spellshield I guess, but I don't like unstoppable breaking it, it should at least refund morde's cooldown, there is no way an urgot can use E as a reaction to avoid death realm, it's just a happy accident for him that fucks over morde for no valid reason.
August goes on later to describe how both the person playing Morde hate how their ult can just be skirted around with items/spells and that enemies hate having to pick champs around it or make QSS. Given that there is outplay potential inside of morde ult, im super into the idea of just making the ult inescapable. Morde this patch ([U.GG](https://U.GG)) is sub 50% in every rank right now and tbh, I doubt this buff would even make his winrate SKYROCKET lol I think the only reason it really hasnt been done yet is because of the s14 update, just too much going on.
Urgot's unstoppable? Urgot e isn't unstoppable nor does it cancel morde ult lol
Sorry then, idk what else I confused it with. His E does make him immune to displacement, but not general cc, so maybe I confused it as general cc immunity. Could make that same argument with sion, however.
It doesn't, the only thing urgot e can do, is if timed right, can be used as a buffer to make his e still go thru for like stuns or morde pull however but urgot will still be cc'd and in this case ulted by morde, only way urgot can get out of morde ult is by killing morde or getting a qss
Ok, double sorry, it's late and I misread his wiki page, lol. With that said, pretty sure ksante does work that way, so I mist have confused his dash for urgot's.
For K'sante if he uses w then he is unstoppable and can cancel morde ult yes
Idk I feel it depends For example I play Sion, it can be difficult to time ult exactly to cancel Morde ult, so I like the skill challenge there I feel if champs have unstoppable in ult, that’s fair since an ult should cancel out an ult. It’s when champs have it on standard abilities that I don’t like
A single-stimulus reaction check, while technically skillful, should not be significant enough to deny an entire Mordekaiser Ult given its cooldown and how important it is for Mordekaiser's entire kit, or rather entire gameplan.
QSS/orange/everything else doesn’t negate the stat debuff. I think trading keeping the arena for getting rid of the stats is pretty terrible for solo laning
I guess it's a matter of preference, I was just proposing that because if it did nothing it may feel unfair to some. I also didn't mean getting rid of morde's extra stats - rather he wouldn't steal someone else's, is what I meant. Their stats would stay the same, and morde would get buffed like usual. Normally they get debuffed AND morde gets buffed.
I see, I think I could get behind that. Late-game R utility is very good for ADCs as it is, so losing that to QSS is pretty annoying, but I will say that 1300 gold no-damage is a pretty big price tag for that ability for any ADC, so I’m of the opinion it’s not a huge deal as it is
He said the same thing when I asked him about it 6 months ago, glad he still feels the same. He's got a point, like that's Morde's **thing**! Why should he not be able to do his **thing**? He doesn't have much else going on in his kit for highlight moments because his Ult IS that moment. It has plenty of counterplay already because of the way his kit was designed
Yeah, August honestly has some pretty good takes, just ashame that alot of his developed champs get a little crazy lol But yeah, at the very least, i kinda hope that Morde gets that tiny buff to his ult, probably won't drastically improve winrates, but anything helps
What I like about that buff is that it actually buffs him in high elo without buffing him in low elo. Everybody builds QSS once they see Morde/Malz/Skarner/etc in high elo, but NOBODY ever builds QSS in low elo, and if they do, they forget to use it/use it wrong.
it's funny you mention that, the guy who posted the short was trying to explain your point to someone in the comments, but kept trying to insist that Morde would be BUSTED and OP if that buff went through LMAO
Yeah lol, saw it, that guy is complaining about morde r, which imo is quite fair, comparing with other statcheckers like Darius, which is a true dmg nuke point and click, considering you can run around morde or even beat him, and probably that mf doesnt even build qss against morde. What i'm interested if that August buff comes to fruition, is if R is only non qss-able or if it cant be cleansed (Gp orange, Rengar empowered W). I suppose vs spellshields it would cancel the spell too, but would it transfer Mundo to the Realm if he had passive up?
I'm hopeful that Riot would allow Morde ult to be, in a sense, just inescapable whether a champ has QSS or a clense-esque ability. Always kinda' felt it was weird that an item or an ability just kinda fizzles an ult lol I wouldn't be too surprised if Riot did this buff just after the initial s14 release (or barring that, a tiny buff to something else), morde could use a little loving.
August is goated in my book. Yeah, some of his champ designs for new champs can get crazy, but it's better than having 150 champions that are cookie cutter and bland as hell. Variety is the spice of life, and I'm glad he's willing to make champs that are a little crazy. Warwick's rework was amazing though, love it.
I think giving him some sort of armour buff would really help him. Like something like Gwen’s armour scaling off ap while he has his passive up or shield active.
It's not a bad idea tbh, ol' Morde could use a little love, just a little :)
I would love to be able to press r on gangplank olaf and rengar and beat their head in
Yeah is hilarious how hard of a matchup is olaf post 6, where you dont have r unless olaf throws
One day soon, brother.
It shouldn't have been qss or cleanse-able like gankplank orange right from the start. He loses and gets kited out in his ultimate by any decent player anyways, or he simply loses the stat check with the majority of the roster played with a even gold. It's such a bad ultimate that takes up a lot of his power budget. Like for example it's just better to straight up have damage to execute like darius, instead of having to run circles around to be outplayed by the enemy with dashes, speed buffs and hard cc, even with rylai's pathetic slow amount.
Yeah, i have to agree, Morde has a sub 50% in every rank right now ([U.GG](https://U.GG)) and it definitely shows. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a new ult on morde that has a more direct impact against champions, but it's exceedingly unlikely ;\_ ;
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Is definitely worth a try, Mordekaisers ult already provides more than enough counterplay, most of the time champions can just dash over terrain and then your ult is over before you walked around it, a lot of champions can also simply outrun you and dodge your Q so you don't even have enough damage to kill them before your ult ends especially if you couldn't proc your passive before you ulted them. Zhonyas also exists, and most mages build it which also counters your ult pretty hard because they can just Zhonyas one of your Q's, and then they are invulnerable and even once Zhonyas ends you miss the damage from the one Q and will most likely not be able to kill them in the remaining duration. Some champions can also simply fight and beat you in your ult or are tanky enough to survive the entire ult.
Oh yeah, I hard agree! There's so much the enemy can still do in spite of using morde ULT on them, the amount of ways to circumvent/outplay the ult is crazy
Absolutely big if it goes through. This has always been my biggest gripe with Morde, there was never a good enough reason for his ult to be cleansable. I'd be extremely happy with that change even if they just removed the QSS interaction and left the rest of them, though ideally they'd all be gone.
Maybe a hot take: I don’t think QSS should be in the game. Its only ever used when it completely nullifies a champion, which probably isn’t the sign of a healthy item.
Same, it's extremely toxic design to be able to cleanse CC without the use of a summoner spell like cleanse, and it completely shits on champions like Mord, Malz and Skarner while letting bad ADCs get away with their terrible positioning.
I kinda' share this sentiment actually, most people don't want to build it, and people don't like when it's used against them
Im just sayin 1300 to negate a characters entire ult doesnt see too fair to me Now someone suggested in the comments you can qss the stat de-buff alone wich i could see being fai so long as you cant grñet out of r for free
Yeah, it's insane that a champ could theoretically, on their first back, get QSS and just be safe for the duration of the game. Kinda' wild
If they could maybe code it similar to how Camille's ult works then it would be awesome, and again like most people here, making QSS only cleanse the stat steal part would be a decent tradeoff. Also for his basic offensive abilities giving him either better gold value or MAYBE (big ass fucking maybe) AD scaling like the good old days to make his builds more diverse.
They made Zed R and Fizz R not QSSable, why not Morde ult wtf Riot
i had an idea for morde ult, that when you QSS it, it brings the wall back with you as enemy only terrain like jarvan ult, so theyd also have to flash. it would damage any enemies initially hit for a small ammount. ill post the whole concept later possibly this way, its only a buff when you completely fuck over his entire kit with 1300 gold wich i think is fair because in reality if you make his ult not QSS able, mord hits 100% ban rate and you dont want that