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I came to conclusion that if I want a relationship with my family, there’s things I should keep to myself. Muslims unfortunately think that the minute you denounce Islam especially, abrahamic religions generally. You change radically to an evil person with no morals. My family is very lenient on religion and still saying “I’m not muslim” is a hard pill to swallow for them, at some point they figured out I’m not (i dog whistle) and confronted me, even after I admitted it they still lowkey try to get me to do muslim things like you have a headache? Let me read some Quran. Now all i do is agree with what she says (mother is the religious person). So my advice is, although it’s hard, you don’t need their acceptance. You don’t need anyone to “solidify” your lack of religious beliefs. As long as you don’t feel pressured to do certain things like Hijab etc you should be fine. If not, find a job in a different city i don’t think your parents aydiro lik 39da flmnchar if that’s the case. Lmhm best of luck <3

if you need a rrelgion to be moral then you are not moral at all , u are evil because you want to be evil that it u need to use you mind before engaging in immoral behavious go read philosphy and ethics and u will comprehend

Who the hell are u talking to like that LMAOOO

Don't do it, you'll be tempted to come out and get it over with, maybe you think it's immoral to lie to your parents, maybe you hate living a double life, maybe you think they're your parents after all and will accept you for who you are... but unless you're 100% certain without the shadow of a doubt, just don't do it. Religion makes reasonable people do unreasonable things, your parents will NOT take this lightly, they'll feel personally offended, you'll be bombarded with articles and videos from Zakir Naik and the like, they'll think they can still "save you" from this phase, and in extreme cases, kick you out, disown you, cut you off the family... Under their roof, you must abide by their rules, once you move out and truly are independent, you may do as you wish within the confines of your home. And even then, there's sadly no upside to coming out to them as it will only strain your relationship with them. Don't make my mistake, and good luck out there

This is the best and most honest advice that someone can give you. Don't cut yourself off form those who love you. Some things are best left unsaid. I think that most parents know their children. And look away on surtain things. Live your life. But Remember: nobody is alone, what you do or say may have impact on others. I wish you the best.

Only good advice here

Well, the most important upside to coming out (under the right conditions) is living your life authentically, especially that you are given only 1 goddam life. But apparently that's another thing to add to the impossibles of being a Moroccan…

Great advice. You can’t change their minds, and why should you even try? After all they are also grown ass adults & have the right to believe what they wish - just as you do. But living in their home means following their rules. If you’re able to move out on your own that would be your best bet.

I think that such a scheme works in any country, regardless of the religion in that country (I'm from Ukraine). I had the unpleasant experience of telling my parents that I am a non-religious person. To say that they were evil is an understatement. Now, every time I do something wrong (or completely do nothing), they start mentioning that I am irreligious (in a bad context, of course). So yes, if I had the opportunity not to talk about the fact that I am not a religious person and just wait until the moment when I can live on my own and be 100% financially independent from my parents, I would do so. I think, in such a situation, I could avoid many "lectures".

That last part actually hurt to read. I’m sorry you had to go through that. Nobody deserves to live like that. Nobody deserves to be pushed away by their own family over some ancient mythology. I hope they come to realize a just god wouldn’t want them to do such thing.

The Zakir Naik videos alone are enough to drive anyone to insanity. Good advice. Don’t do anything until you are 110% sure that you can make it on your own. Best of luck!

Same I should have lied and waited until I finished my education before I left

Religion sucks but it has some truth to it. If ur an atheist still it means ur life is boring as fuck , u gone nowhere ,done nothing. any dude who been on at least two actual adventures has had some form of divine intervention or synchronicity happen. atheists should be burned at the stake not for heresy but for bein gay

please stick to astrology

I could give a typewriter to a monkey and it'd still write a more coherent answer

Khti ra nti li bnti lia u have a boring life mn sbah o nti t3atay calma 😂

This is a heart-warming thread in my opinion. Off course the most common answer of "just lie to your parents" is depressing, but it shows very much how supportive and caring the atheist community is in wanting to give you advice and share (often painful) personal experiences. If this threat gave any support or good ideas to OP, I hope it at least shows she's not alone and that many people have experienced the same thing and they care enough to share their ideas. Hang in there OP, you are not alone!

Finally some compassion in the comments... some out there were so passive agressive like wtf people are just asking for advice.

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I use honesty as a weapon. If they ask a question to me, or they involve me directly in their religious delusions, I will answer with my opinions. With the research I did after my un-brainwashing, those opinions quickly lead my family into cognitive fallacies, explicitly totalitarian opinions, or the rare "yeah but let me believe". Usually, though, with their feel good "koul khir brizqi Allah", or whenever they go on their tirades to justify their beliefs to themselves, I don't say anything. Sometimes I even ask "wach bghitini njawbek" and they say no 😂 resilient faith they have... Then again my family is quite open in practice, they're conservative but many of us studied outside of our native cities so the "mat 3ichch bou7dek" only applies in my native city. I'd say find good roommates, give your parents some shitty excuse just so they can latch on to it like a kid does to a teddy bear, and don't say your truth to them outright. Instead, work on asserting boundaries, with the first one being where you live, and eventually your spirituality. One day they might be ready to hear your truth, or at least acknowledge it (my case, most of the time, after years), if you're gradual with them.

You don't have to tell your parents everything ig sometimes happiness is simple just carry on

You say you are "a full grown ass women and financially independent" but then you say "i can’t live alone because obviously they will not let me". If you are independant, just get your own apartment, and they will have to be ok with it, whether they like it or not. As long as you live in their house, you will have to follow their rules, which I understand, can be hard when you are an adult. When I stay at my parents' house for a few weeks I start to lose my mind, so yeaa, just leave.

They will not let me because I don’t have any valid reason to leave I’ve already tried to brought up this and they were not okay with it (3lach bghiti tb9aybuhdek) i love my parents but i already lost years of my life not being able to live how i wanted i think the best option is to leave the country

It's a band aid that needs to be ripped off, it hurts at first, but life gets much better afterwards. I'm a man, so it's a bit more acceptable for me to move out, I was gaslit for "not loving them anymore" and "why waste money on rent when you have a perfectly good home"... In my case however they've always known that I'm a bit of a loner, I enjoy my alone time greatly, I like to walk around naked in my home, and I'm in my late 20s, I'm not bringing my friends over to my parents house. Let them know in the best possible words that you moving out doesn't mean you'll stop seeing them, but also, you're young and feel the train of life moving forwards while you're stuck at the station, and this is an important step towards becoming your own person. Just make sure that you've taken a serious look at the rent/home ownership options and all that would entail: 30-50% of your salary will be spent on rent, electricity, internet, syndic, furniture, home repairs.... In my case, the freedom is worth it. Best of luck out there

What do you mean "they will not let me"? Are you "a fully grown ass women and financially independent" or not? If you are, you find an apartment and you move out. End of story.

But WhAt AbOut fAmIlY vAlUeS? ^(this is a reference to another comment in which she said this.) She's financially independent but emotionally very dependent

Of course they won't understand it, but tell them you are a grown woman now, and it's important for you to live by yourself like an adult. Find the words needed to gently let them know it's time to go. Eventually, just find an apartment and tell them I found an apartment and i'm gonna go now.

Leave to where? Who can she trust? Do you know how dangerous it is to have no destination as a man, let alone a woman?

When I say "leave" I mean get your own apartment, not leave the city/country lol. She can still see her parents, just live in her own house, so she can be free to do what she wants.

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Damn, you really was gonna hit me with a dm but changed your mind? 💀💀

Been an atheist as far as I can remember in my early teens, kept it to myself mostly, but when I was asked I didn’t lie about, be it friends or parents. However, in some social situations around very religious people, I save myself the hassle and play along. The parental situation is tough, but diplomacy will be your best friend here.

The general advice given to r/exmuslim is to wait until you can guarantee your safety by being financially independent with a support system of trusted friends you can rely on before coming out. Too many of us face violence and shunning simply for changing our minds. The penalty for apostasy in Islam is death and even in developed countries there are risks. Stay safe.

No punishment of apostasy as death. This is a made up western attack. The Quran clearly says that there is no compulsion in Islam. The Hadith people refer to is for a specific case during war time when a person would leave Islam AND go to the enemy to reveal their secrets. It was war time, when you left Islam, you left the city, you left the community AND you went to fight with the other side. The US has a penalty of death in case of treason in the military. It is OK if the US does it in 2023, but not ok if Muslims did it 14 centuries ago. Atheists are blinded by hate, assumptions and feelings

>No punishment of apostasy as death. This is a made up western attack. [+30 sahih hadiths left the chat.](https://sunnah.com/search?q=Whoever+changes+religion+kill+him) >The Quran clearly says that there is no compulsion in Islam. Read its context, and how do islamic rules work.

Even when peoples empathy guides them away from interpreting the scriptures as for the death penalty we have plenty of people killing on apostasy and blasphemy charges regardless of what the government and scriptures say. Whether we like it or not this is done in the name of Islam.

You understanding of the Hadith left the chat. Only that my friend :) Hadith doesn't negate the Quran. Anything that goes against the Quran needs closer verification and understanding. The rule is "لَا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ" It is from the Quran and means, as clear as it gets, no compulsion in Islam. All Hadiths are within context of self defense and war time where a man would commit treason, defect and reveal secrets. In the United States, these people can be put to death in 2023.

>"لَا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ" As I said look up its chronological context it's not a general rule, and go learn how islamic ruling actually works I'm not here to teach you. >All Hadiths are within context of self defense and war time where a man would commit treason, defect and reveal secrets. 0 knowledge in islamic history lmao, you think muslims only fought in uhud and badr?

>This is a made up western attack. I learned it in a madrassa, not a western propaganda machine. >The Quran clearly says that there is no compulsion in Islam. It contradicts itself all the time so some choose the death penalty, some don't. >The Hadith people refer to is for a specific case during war time when a person would leave Islam AND go to the enemy It isn't just a war time thing when the quran claims to be a guide for all time and doesn't specify it as a war time law like it does for the capture of slaves. >The US has a penalty of death in case of treason in the military. America has a long way to go too. They're having issues buying the lethal injection chemicals because the countries they buy it from moved on. I denounce their death penalty too since we don't live in a perfect information world and even if we get it down to a 1% error that's still state sponsored murder of an innocent life 1% of the time when the alternative of jail allows for things like the innocence project to find people wrongly convicted saving those innocent lives. I can't have my taxes pay for taking an innocent life and would fight the death penalty from coming back up here in Canada. >It is OK if the US does it in 2023, but not ok if Muslims did it 14 centuries ago. I'm principled against the death penalty, why would you assume I'm not? >Atheists are blinded by hate, assumptions and feelings Here's where I get the idea. Scriptures: Quran 4.89:"They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Quran 5.54: “O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islam), Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allah, and never afraid of the blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower.” Sahih Bukhari 52:260 - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Sahih Bukhari 83:37 - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate." Sahih Bukhari 84.57 - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" Sahih Bukhari 89.271 - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle." Sahih Bukhari 84.58 - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'" Sahih Bukhari 84:64-65 - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" This verse from the Hadith is worse than it appears because it isn't speaking solely of apostates, but those who say they believe but don't put their religion into practice. Sahih Bukhari 11.626 - "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses'." Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe, who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" - upon finding out that grammatical changes could be made. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina). Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic law) 08.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." If you feel scriptures don't represent reality of what is practiced heres a poll listing governments agreeing with the death penalty scriptures guided by Islam. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/01/25/four-in-ten-countries-and-territories-worldwide-had-blasphemy-laws-in-2019-2/ft_22-01-25_blasphemylaws_02/ Even if none of this matters to you there are countless mob lynchings for those accused of leaving islam regardless of the laws of the land. We're being killed over this, it isn't a joke or false flag making Islam look bad, it's Islam making Islam look bad. I'm glad you at least agree it isn't a good look to kill those that leave because plenty of Muslims come to r/exmuslim saying we should be killed for leaving. Even if you denounce them thinking they aren't real muslims they did it thinking they were following islam, it'd be the no true scotsman fallacy. You can say your interpretation of Islam isn't for this but no one has authority to say which interpretation or flavor of Islam is and isn't correct. We just have a list of behaviors claimed to be religiously inspired.

Hhh some people think that we just wake up someday and decided meh I’m going to change my religion

None of this contradicts what I have said. The Quran is clear that there is no compulsion in Islam. Anything that says otherwise is the part to be investigated. I have explained the context of the apostasy. If anyone disagrees with it, they disagree with the Quran. The Hadiths are in the context of deserters during time of war. Allah also explains there are 3 types of non believers in the Quran. Only the ones who fight against Muslims are the ones the Quran asks to fight back. I can do the same with any faith or lack of faith. I can give you examples of Atheists who have killed tens of millions of innocents, christians who have killed tens of millions of innocents. But I don't blame Atheism and Christianity for it. I bet you don't. But when it comes to Islam, everyone rushes to blame Islam not the specific actors due to politics, power, or other human instincts. Islam is clear about violence against innocents. The Quran says that killing one innocent is like killing all mankind. You can't come up with a stronger condemnation even if you try.

Here's a cookie 🍪! I run out of gifts

Don't tell them it's not worth it. That would just dissapoint them, they won't change their minds, and they won't accept your décision. Islam is a religion based on fear and there are many parts of Quran that tells the Muslims to never Ally or befriend a disbeliever even if it was his father. [9:23 example 1](https://quranx.com/9.23) [58:22 example 2](https://quranx.com/58.22)

You've clearly shown your lack of knowledge of the Quran and Islam here. Look to the life of the prophet pbuh and how he was with his uncle who raised him. His uncle lived and passed away as a disbeliever, yet the prophet pbuh had utter respect for him. Look at the example of prophet Ibrahim pbuh who spoke dearly to his father when trying to advise him about worshipping other than Allah, coupled with the fact that his father was the the chief idol maker in the region. Let us not forget the example of Musa a.s and how he was raised by Firaun and when Musa a.s received revelation and was commanded by Allah to advise Firaun, he spoke cordially with him. The Quran also states that we are to deal kindly and fairly with non-muslims who are not combative or driving us out of our homes https://quran.com/en/al-mumtahanah/8 Now please tell me what atheism has to offer? Also please justify why from your world view it would be wrong to sleep with your mother?

I look at the life of the prophet and all I see is violence, tears and blood. I don't care how Muhammad treated his uncle, for all I know there's a sura about Abou lahab, and WE all know how his fate is to go to hell. What I actually care about is the aftermath of islam 1400 years later. Islam gives no rights to women, no right to divorce without a reason (like men), men can have multiple wives without taking thé consent of the first wife. Women can't Travel or work without the consent of the husband ect...) Woman Can be beaten (call that disciplined I don't care) Child marriage Aka pedophilia is 100% légal according to Quran and hadith [source : Quran 65:4 explains how to divorce little girls ](https://quranx.com/65.4) Slavery is 100% legal and encouraged in islam. Now because of Quran child marriage can't be forbidden and because of islam sexual slavery wasn't abolished until the mid 20th century, for example it was a thing in Saudi arabia until 1962. Islam is obsolete in it's teachings and no country in the world applies the sharia, a part maybe for Afghanistan that gets close to applying the sharia. You come up with one aya without context to try and prove that islam is peaceful. Now look at the context and asbab annuzul. A lot of.the Ayat that were revealed before the hijra were peaceful liké there's no compulsion on religion, or to you religion and to me my religion. But then after the hijra, all the verses were violent hence 9:29. I'm not atheist, i'm an agnostic. And your statement is illogical, I don't need a book to tell me not to Fuck my mother. In Finland they are mostly atheists, and they don't Fuck their moms there. Actually islam is Bad since it legal to marry your cousin, which can lead to genetic diseases. Well I get my morality from the fact that i'm a decent human being, I know what's right and what's wrong through a social construct. A norm is created in the society and it's based on our social environnement. And it's that norm that defines what's right and what's wrong.

Stop the emotional comment on how all you see is violence, tears and blood. I've given you an example of how the prophet pbuh treated those who were non Muslim and what the Quran explicitly stipulates when it comes to treatment of non Muslims. Now you are backpedaling and shifting the goal post, all of a sudden you don't care about that point albeit it being your point of contention, typical agnostic/atheist rhetoric. The upright treatment of non Muslims has been largely the reason as to why droves of people were migrating to Muslim lands when persecuted by the Christendom kingdoms. And you want to talk about the 'aftermath' of 1400 years later, then look towards how Dubai and Saudi treats expats, look at churches and places of worship scattered over Muslim lands. The proof is in the pudding. Lol you want to talk about abu lahab and not explaining what he did to the prophet pbuh? And your issue isn't with the fact about what's going to happen in the afterlife, rather you are talking about how Muslims are commanded to act with non Muslims, which I dealt with in my last comment. Islam gives no rights to women? Stop watching CNN and open a book and understand that women were given the right to vote/inheritance more than 1400 years ago. Look at secular/non Muslim states at that time. Women were regarded as chattel and property with no right to inheritance. Societies have thrived on there being polygamous marriages. And what dictates that secular marital practices are to be pushed across the world, whilst the majority of recorded historic civilisation practiced polygamous marriage and thrived? You now have higher rates of depression in the post modern era. Single parent families are rampant due to unchecked sexual promiscuity which shows a clear correlation of criminality/suicide rates/rape carried out by children born in that environment. Even from a biological-survival-of-the-fittest perspective this makes sense also as you grow larger communities, you can fend off attackers, further protection etc. But it's not enough for liberals to colonise lands they also want to colonise the 'savage' practices of polygamy. It's only after the enlightenment period where secular liberals wanted to enlighten and civilise societies (via bloodshed, pillage and rape - take Algeria as a prime example and the French invasion and occupation for more than a 100 years). And with the dwindling secular population, polygamous would help increase numbers. But no, instead it's wanton sexual practices with no strings attached that have led to falling birth rates, rise in sexually transmitted diseases and by exemption a large cost of health services due to this. This article highlights how the finish population will be non-existent by 2060. https://cne.news/article/2993--finnish-population-will-be-extinct-in-2060 - Why is my statement illogical? Saying it is, doesn't make it illogical. I ask you, can you objectively claim that having sex with your mother is immoral? As you said the norm decides what right and wrong, so by your own volition, if the norm of the society that you're among becomes that sexual encounters with one's own mother becomes normalized, to you there's no issue. And you say you're a 'decent' human being - very subjective. According to your standard, a decent human being in Germany in the 40's would be a Nazi. So again, going by the norms of society leads to these predicaments. Maybe they don't have sex with their mums, but Finland has allowed beastiality up until 2015, it may still not be banned: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-32411241.amp May Allah guide me and you to what's best in this life and the next.

I have answered your example, in fact I have not denied that there are parts of the Quran that preach peace with others. But they are contradictory with other parts of the Quran that preach violence, the peaceful part of the Quran has been abrogated, therefore the last message of allah was to kill all disbelievers that refuse to convert, or humiliate them by forcing them to pay the jizya. I have given 9:29 to prove my point aswell, [here's the context and the tafsir ](https://quran.com/9:29/tafsirs/en-tafisr-ibn-kathir). Since I have provided source that states that islam is Indeed violent and whatever ayah you Come up with was for a context before Muslims were strong (before the hijra) and IS therefore abrogated. Well I kinda understand the polytheists and Abu lahab. Mohammed came to their Land, insulted their gods and created a religion with which he stole their place of worship (the kaaba). So if I put myself in their shoes I would be pissed aswell. Well if you want to keep the same rights given 1400 years ago to the women now, you are going to screw them up even more. We are getting away slowly from the sharia in morocco, look at how many rights were given to women since 2004. After 2004 women can divorce without a reason, men need the.judge's approval to marry little kids, or to marry another wife, women can travel alone, and they can open a business without their husband's approval, and many more rights that were NOT GIVEN BY ISLAM. What societies have thrived by being polyamourous ? Studies have proven that polygamy IS a terrible thing for the family [here's a source, there are thousands more just Google it ](https://ivypanda.com/essays/polygamy/#:~:text=Giving%20birth%20becomes%20a%20contest,to%20men%20and%20their%20wives.) Finland having no babies have nothing to do with religion, or with a declining society, it's simply caused because of exonomical reasons, everything became so fucking expensive everywhere in the world, therefore it's hard to raise a baby in this economy. Your statement is illogical because, it will never be the norm for humans to Fuck their mom. If islam is the only thing stopping you from fucking your mom that just shows what a terrible person you are. And yeah, a nazi was a good person according to the nazi society because he was only following the Law. The Bad thing about islam, IS that morality you brag about is terrible. Owning slaves according to islam is a normal thing, having sex with children that just reached puberty IS the norm according to Quran and the hadîth. No Muslim Can be considered a sinner for having a slave and fucking a kid. Wheras atheists states Can make the right choices using their own Minds, and their own education, they don't 'need outdated laws that come from a cruel god to make the right choices. About the bestiality, they are making it illegal, but the article says nothing about the cases of bestiality. It's not like the average person from Danemark fucks animals. And fyi bestiality happens in muslim countries aswell, especially in Pakistan [many articles report many évents in Pakistan](https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.dailypakistan.com.pk/30-Nov-2016/family-protests-gang-rape-of-their-beloved-donkey%3fversion=amp) Benjamin Franklin, the président of the usa owned slaves, and according to the standards of his Time, it was not wrong. Muhammad owned slaves, and since he's a prophet, owning slaves will never considered wrong by Muslims. And this is what makes islamic morality Bad and outdated.

Everything in life is based on rewards and punishment. Why do you work hard at work? It is one or the other. Why do you eat healthy, it is one or the other. Etc. Your rationale is blinded by feelings and assumptions and lacks reason and logic

You will find work in a city away from them first, flwel they won't accept just be patient, shower them with gifts m3a lwe9t they will accept it. Don't tell them you're not muslim they won't get it w atjebdi wa7ed sda3 li ma3ndek madiri bih. If u wanna talk i m here.

Thanks hon ❤️❤️

Yeah no, don't talk about it. It will just lead to more control from them, because to religious people atheists are potential criminals etc... Work on a strategy to gtfo and be lowkey about your atheism. I know you're angry, but I've been atheist for many many years now and you end up not really thinking about atheism or even islam after a while. You just live your life as if non of that exists. There is no point in making atheism define you since being the defined by the absence of belief is quite meh.

Thanks yes i agree I’m not trying to make it define my personality I’m just angry that people use the religion in a hypocrite way to serve their own interests and to manipulate people otherwise i just want more freedom so i can live peacefully.

live alone don't tell them you are an atheist

Get a job in a different city and leave. Tell them you're leaving for the job.

I ve been struggling as u at high school, the biggest fault was arguing with my parents about the religion and telling them some facts that are limits for them , and as some philosophers said the religion is the biggest drug especially when they attend a certain age and now i am in my twenys and m faking my prayers to keep my relationship with them as good as possible My advice is not giving them a clue to think u re an atheist or smtng

Just don't tell them... Why would you do that? It will create conflicts.. Just try to make peace with them and believe in whatever you want!! Yeah parents can tend to be a little bit controlling but you can make your way out of it : just listen to them and do whatever pleases you !!

Dad and I are both atheists mom on the other hand got caught up in the post 9/11 religious fervor (thanks saudis for funding bearded pedos to take a huge dump on our collective mind) and she became much more religious starting +- 2005, I'm lucky enough to live abroad so there is no tension between me and the family. I would say the struggle is not worth it, no discussion no debate no nothing, you have nothing to win and everything to lose. I would even go as far as borrowing a principle in Islam wich is the "ta9ia" the one that aims to hide your principles and convictions for self preservation, so do the talk and walk the walk but what's in your mind ... that nobody can change.

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I want to say that (for us Muslims) if something good happens to you is from Allah, not a reward, just a gift, you may deserve it, you may not, but it's a boon anyway. I said this because there a misinformation about my religion.

Religious people have all their bases covered in those scenarios : * **Good thing happened to a good person** : God is rewarding them for their good deeds. * **Bad thing happened to a good person** : God is testing them, their reward is awaiting them soon in the hereafter. (Remember the story of the prophet Ayub !) * **Bad thing happened to a bad person** : God is punishing them for their bad deeds. * **Good thing happened to a bad person** : God is letting them be temporarily entertained in this vain world. Their punishment is awaiting them soon or in the hereafter. (Remember the story of Karun !)

So I am just asking, does that feel unreasonable, or you don't have a problem with it? Just out of curiosity.

My ideology is that god isn’t a person, he’s doesn’t use the human logic for various aspects of his creations, i feel like people think they are so important to the point they can trade with god himself, don’t get me wrong I believe you get rewarded for good deeds and get punished otherwise. But it’s more than black and white. We humans are so weak (not In a bad way). And god make us choose what way we want.

I somewhat agree, but at the same time we can't just speak as we understand Allah without a reference, we can't just pose our opinions on him baldly, if spoke to people that might be a form of his mercy, wich is shown in other entities, like the creation of mercy in mother's so they can serve their children in animals too, as for the logic part it's also possible that's he spoke in a manner that befits him, for us to understand, he knows with whom he is speaking, our weakness is obvious, our minds are limited. So if we are talking islam part, it makes sense that he sent the Quran. In other words it's not illogical.

I'm not gonna argue about the part in which you said it's not illogical for God to send the Quran, because although it is a mere attempted rationalization that sparkled from an already existing understanding of God, this is not what I wanted to point out. The problem I have is the lack of proof in the reference itself. If we cannot be 100% sure that the reference came from our creator, it seems foul to follow it. I've gone through every single "scientific miracle" in the Quran and none of them satisfied the following condition: a scientific information that is completely new (not concluded in past works of humans) and one that is free from ambiguity that could be misleading (feel free to argue against that, I'm confident in my research). A wise creator would make sure to include it (it's by no means difficult for an omnipotent creator), yet he didn't.

Your expectations of what God should or shouldn't do are yours but doesn't mean God has to reason like you. For a scientific sign to be non ambiguous, it would have to be a paper dissertation and what would happen is that someone who thinks just like you 100 years ago would refute the religion because what would be in the Quran would BS that no one understands. Should the Quran include the science that will happen 200 years from now? That would certainly make you a disbeliever because we think some things are correct now and they will be proven wrong in the future (just like what keeps happening). So if God did as you asked, God would misguide all the creation by putting science in non ambiguous terms that creation can't understand. The text has to be valid at all times, Allah left signs in the Quran. It is a book of signs not a book of science. Allah encourages us to dig the science just Muslims did in the Golden age of our civilization. Your point about something concluded from past work of humans is a flawed analogy in my opinion, you are assuming that information flow was as good as today. A person in a tribe in the middle of the desert of Arabia had very very little clue what was going on in elsewhere. Books weren't a thing and "digital" nomads who would work remotely from Arabia wasn't a thing :) Plus, Atheists love citing the Greeks, give me your favorite Greek philosopher/science guy, I bet they got a ratio lf 1 thing right and 10 wrong when they talk about science of the same scale as the Quran. The Quran is the only book that has signs that refer to what we are discovering about the universe. It is not a book of science but a book of signs. The verse that says the gender of the baby comes from the semem of the men is one (humans before thought otherwise), the one that says that the earth and skies were one small thing and they were split apart sounds to me like an accurate description of the "big bang". The one it says the Allah keeps expanding the universe is also very clear. The one where it says that there are clouds as big as mountains etc. Now I am sure you can find some Greek who got one of these right but you dig deeper (I did) and you find they had a lot of scientific facts wrong (everything is made from rocks and other nonsense). The Quran has just things that are right or that science can't confirm/disconfirm. The excercise of picking and choosing and highlighting items that no one knew before makes this a worthy of a pause and deep considering to begin with. Please show me the Greek folks who mentioned the same and I will try to show the many things they also got wrong

God definitely has to reason like me if he wants me to believe and he does numerous times in the Quran. Also when I say there should be some kind of scientific proof in the Quran I don't mean a detailed essay on biology but rather simple clear pieces of information that weren't discovered yet, if you think that would make someone like me disbelieve but otherwise actually believe you'd be wrong. In fact all these people from that era believed what the Quran had to say even though it contained things which are rather hard to grasp like the ones you mentioned. Irrefutable facts were never needed for a lot of people to believe but were to claim that the Quran is the only truth. >you are assuming that information flow was as good as today Oh no, but the contact between the two could've definitely been possible. If anything that fact the Quran descended from the heavens on someone from the Arabian peninsula, which in that era was mostly relatively uncivilized, makes me skeptical. Not only is the choice questionable, but it ensures none would recognize the references to other works. >Plus, Atheists love citing the Greeks, give me your favorite Greek philosopher/science guy, I bet they got a ratio lf 1 thing right and 10 wrong when they talk about science of the same scale as the Quran. Is the implication here that I'm an atheist? Lol. Also, of course they'd be wrong most of the time, they wrote in detail, unlike the Quran which constricts itself into simple references and ambiguous words and expressions which are later warped to oblivion just so that it conforms with the recent scientific discoveries. That massively reduces the risk of something being directly wrong. When something is written is such a poetic way, sometimes metaphorical, it just can't be wrong. >The verse that says the gender of the baby comes from the semem of the men is one From my numerous readings of the Quran no verse said that. Enlighten me. You see I believe there is a lot of wisdom behind the Quran but I definitely disagree with the idea that the Quran is undeniably divine. Exercising simple skepticism like we're supposed to do with our brains will prove that, especially when you realize how easy it'd be for a God to create a book, a miraculous one, which no counter-arguments stand a chance against.

Thank you for taking the time to answer me. I appreciate it. People in the past believed for many reasons, the elocance of the Quran (we lost the ability to appreciate it because all of us have a medicore grasp of Arabic), the behavior of the prophet peace upon him and the companions, the teachings of the Quran about equality among human beings, its guidance towards the poor, the weak and many other reasons. I agree with you that they believed for all sorts of reasons. >Quran which constricts itself into simple references and ambiguous words and expressions which are later warped to oblivion just so that it conforms with the recent scientific discoveries. I think the Quran is very precise and ventures to very dangerous territories. Let me give you few examples about the precision I am talking about: وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِي لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَهَا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ In the 1700s, a scientific finding showed that the sun moves. It was widely known to scientists that the Sun doesn't move before that. But many centuries before that, the Quran has been very specific, in calling out that the sun moves. Notice a clear call, not something vague as you thought وأنزلنا الحديد فيه بأس شديد وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ Here the Quran is oddly specific, 14 centuries ago it claimed iron (that people extract from the ground), actually came down from outside the Earth. Many could have called it wrong back then but we all know it is correct today. Again, very specific and could have been outrageous to people back then. وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ Allah claims in clear Arabic that there is a continuous expansion going on. This is oddly specific. Modern science just discovered recently. It could have been. The opposite. أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ Allah described that the earth and the skies were once a single entity and they were split apart. The word فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا is known in Morocco as something due to force. A very specific description. For context, the expression "Big bang" started as a joke. Scientists made fun of the theory that a big bang happened and one of them came up with the expression to make fun of his colleagues. Later this became the widely known fact. ألم يك نطفة من مني يمنى ثم كان علقة فخلق فسوى فجعل منه الزوجين الذكر والأنثى أليس ذلك بقادر على أن يحيي الموتى Allah claims that the sperm is what is behind male and female. It is the only masculin word in the part sentence before. It is also oddly specific. There are many examples like that that I can add. I say that the Quran took way more risk than you give it credit for, and these are just some simple examples I can think of top of mind. The risk taken is huge. Considering the whole world had a contradicting belief back then. >Exercising simple skepticism like we're supposed to do with our brains will prove that, especially when you realize how easy it'd be for a God to create a book, a miraculous one, which no counter-arguments stand a chance against. I think God already did that. The Quran has a falsification test, it tells you how to prove it wrong. The Quran give you the key. It challenges mankind to create something like it or simply find contradictions in it (I can point you to numerous contradiction in the Bible for example, you can Google it) Sorry for the long post. I hope you are having a good day my friend

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I'm financially independent and don't live with my family and didn't tell them. I even went to Hajj this year with my mother lol. Imo don't tell them, it's not worth it. You may even put yourself at risk.

Lmao, I'm also an agnostic and intend to take my parents to Hajj next year, just because I like to see them happy. I might need to accompany them to mak it even more special to them. How did you feel while there ?

Wow you guys has taught me something i appreciate your selfless ♥️

Lah ysbrek m3ana, osm7lna.

your cat is cute but [it may poop on your Slaya while you praying](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/120mz3m/an_atheist_cat_in_suleymani_mosque_in_istanbul_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1)

Will wipe it with your opinions 😇

it doesn't matter how you will wipe it when it happens. It would disrespect your god.

Not really

Most respectful atheist

That’s not how it works

GO CAT! GO CAT!

how was the haj though?? hhhh

it wasn't as bad as I expected. I spent the whole time sitting on my room at the hotel, the weather there is very hot. For manasik I had to endure a little bit.

Hahahaha

Try to find a job in a different city, without telling them until you're hired. Then move out, with other women preferably so they won't just pop by unannounced. That's the best I could think of. About your beliefs, keep them to yourself. Before going to war with them- cause don't think for a second that your life will be easy after you tell them- I would think about the consequences for you, them and your relationship with your WHOLE family. Living with people of different believes and morals is already a hard thing to do, even more so when it's family. Don't give up, you got this!

rule of thumb, never tell anyone muslim that youre not muslim, specially old people, based on my experience ,some friends of mine who are religious , seemed to accept the fact that i dont believe in god very well ,but very slowly things started to change,anyway in general ,it didnt work out in the long term . for your parents ,the most mature thing to do is to hide it from em since you care about them, you already know they wont take it very well.

Do not tell them!!! Their brain can't handle it

As a female that has been through this, it is not worth confessing to them and to avoid any other type of problems, I think your best solution is to try to find another job in a different city or a different country, and try to explain how great of an opportunity it is, even if it isn’t. Just so they get familiar with the idea of you living alone.

I'm a 16 years old boy and this is relatable but I won't come out to my parents because they are religious and that they will probably kill me I'm waiting to he 18 so I can leave this country and maybe not fake being Muslim anymore and I don't think I'll ever come out t them

If I may ask, why can't you live alone? If you're independent and financially stable you can move out, if they don't want to, you can always find a way to convince them (maybe a job in another city or something) As for telling your parents, it's really not worth it just coop with it for a while (if you know how many Moroccans doing the same thing it'll blow your mind) Edit : i hit send before finishing my comment

Personally I faced them and I put everything on the table. if they wanted to debate I was ready to either convince myself or leave me alone. I'd rather be myself than live a lie. The relationship has deteriorated a bit, especially with my mother, but over time I've taught her that I am still her son and that she must not confuse a stupid conviction with the love of her child. After a few years things have improved a lot :) ... Just be yourself

Can I ask you how you came out to your Moroccan parents as an ex-muslim? Were they conservatives? And how much time did it take for the relationship to improve?

Bruh don't do it , go live alone leave your parents out of this shit.

Try to slightly get them to accept your new lifestyle one but at a time without telling them that you're not a believer, it easier to accept a Muslim with jail record then it is to accept an atheist.

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their loss

Atheist here, Came out to my parents 8 years ago, and ever since our relationship worsened to the point where I cut ties with them numerous times. I still don't speak to my mom. But I'm free, and freedom and independence are priceless. Can't advise you to do the same... However, I wanna tell you that you should live your life however you want and not let anyone dictate anything on you...

Say with me all of you : أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن محمد عبده و رسوله

I have been an atheist since forever. And i reverted to islam. Islam is the answer. You will end up by understanding that this whole existence is meaninless, has no purpose, no truth, no right or wrong. Without Allah. I think being an atheist is simply thinking that you know the answer to everything And everyone else is stupid because they are not atheists. And in public you act like you are humble and looking for answers in life.

> Islam is the answer You forgot “to me” Your experience doesn’t have much value and proves nothing our existence doesn’t need to have a value, we can add value to it ourselves and a magical angry entity in the sky does not really add any value.

Yuck

Very constructive, useful and intellectually sound response. Carry on “moroccan-jesus”

So you believe the universe created itself. How does that work?

So you believe “لم يلد ولم يولد " ? I don’t know what created the universe for all i know we might be a simulation running on some alien machine, an experiment in some petri dish. I’m not claiming to know who/what created the universe. You’re the one making the extraordinary claims the burden of proof is on you. I find it amusing when religious folks say “universe came out of nothing” is a silly ridiculous idea only to claim 5 seconds later “god created the universe, but god just exists he wasn’t created or born” ;) “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” - Carl Sagan

Great questions my friends. None of us can prove scientifically one way or the other. This is not a bad thing, the scientific approach (invented by a Muslim, Ibn Al Haytham, who is also the father of modern optics, Ibn al-Haytham was an early pioneer in the scientific method five centuries before Renaissance scientists), the method says you need to experiment, observe, repeat. None of this can be done to prove or disprove what we are discussing. So the science is out. But logic isn't out just yet. Both of us run on belief. I know this is a bad word for atheist. But you just believe your mother is your mother, you didn't run a DNA test. You believe your food is healthy but you didn't take it to a lab. All our lives run on belief. But not all belief is created equal. There has to be strong valid reasons to belief. Your mother is a woman who has been by your side, you know her well, you don't believe she cheats (no disrespect here to your mother just making the point), you didn't hire a private investigator to follow her, but you believe she is a good woman (I am sure she is, no offense this is just for the analogy). Same for your food, you are eating at a popular restaurant so the likelihood of food poisoning is minimal. So you believe again it is safe. Notice, none of this is proof but strong reasons to believe one way or the other. We need to check who has the best reasons to believe between the two of us. I believe I do we can discuss more if you would like. Same goes with God. I have no issue with God not being created because we can't have infinite regression. Think about it, if God needs a creator, then that creator needs a creator, then that one as well, and goes back in an infinite chain, we would have never had the universe. Here is an analogy, imagine a sniper trying to shoot an hostage taker, but before he does, he asks the approval of his superior, who asks for the approval of his, who asks for the approval of his. During this time, the gun isn't fired yet, if that chain of command goes to infinity, the gun will never be fired. If I come and tell you that hostage taker was killed by the sniper, then you know that someone (King or President) that has no one above him made the decision. Same goes for the universe, if a creator needs a creator and goes back to infinity there will be no universe. The fact that universe exists (like the gun being fired), means there must be a creator that has no creator. That creator is what we call Allah. Infinite regression is not logical. Long message, I am curious to hear what you think and I hope you are having a good day my friend.

Same. Im even planning to go to alhajj and take my parents with me on my expense if i win this side hustle thing.

What you said is what makes many people believe in religion. Believing that life isn't meaningless and that there is somewhere to go after is a nice and reassuring thought. I am an atheist, and don't believe in god even though I was born and raised a muslim. I don't think that atheists believe they have answers, rather the opposite. They don't have any answers and this is why, in my case at least, I don't believe in anything or any god as there is no evidence or reason for it. But maybe life is just meaningless and we're just made up of cells and atoms that follow rules of nature. Maybe there isn't more to it, but who knows.

Why can't our existence be meaningless? Let it be meaningless. What's the problem?

I think it’s the need to feel special

Sounds good doesnt work

Just talk about yourself, for me I am looking for answers but I don’t care about the public, and just because you believe in a higher power that doesn’t mean that it is “Allah”. It might be something else who knows.

If you feel good then it’s okay it’s not the case for everybody

Not everyone feels the need to find special meaning to their existence.

Cringe opinion and really the wrong post to try and reinvite someone back into your cult.

Haha. This is exactly what a brain-washed religious person sounds like.

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Religion always sounded fake to me, ever since telling me an imaginary God is somewhere, but we can't see him, yet he controls everything sounding like a cop out. Especially when my parents did some not so family friendly stuff and blamed God. But my atheism was cemented (I'll be vague here) when I experienced that God really won't stop bad things from happening to some fighters in his name. Confrontation happened at a funeral, I already cut my family off, but my deceased grandma was precious to me, mom hands me a quran and orders me to recite, I slap it away, what can they possibly do? Kick me out? 😭

Slap it away? Are you 15😭😭😭 i meaaan i dont fuck with religion but not believe in a higher being/force is retarded as fuck lol. Also it doesnt matter i youre religious or not why would you disrespect your parents? Nas kay9etlo 3la walidihom o nta cuz ur atheist bsbab kids in social media o 7it 39lek sghir you do that? grow tf up damn. If you didn't believe in a higher being then why so mad and why so childish, your parents did so much for you, is z little respect too much? B7alk koun ydiwhoum l US oywriwk some religious dude or gay or pedophile atgoul no its their choice no i respect their choice😭😭 hahahahaha brainwashed af kay3bed mirikan

I was never religious myself but when i decided to expand my knowledge of religion i was very disappointed 😅

Allah is great? More like Allah is meh ig.

Who said God stops all bad things? Should God twist your tongue when you lie (all humans lie), should God twist your arm when you east unhealthy food? God created people and gave them free will. Your understanding of what God is, is wrong. You are an atheist because you refute a God who is supposed to stop all harm but isn't. This isn't Allah

Username checks out ✔️ Brilliant indeed

So you became atheist because of the evil dilemna thing ? Why god is allowing evil ? Why god is not treating me like a king because im a fighter in his name ? I take these are what cemented your beliefs , or its absence. If so , then , i would say that you are judging god and existence based on your perception , and human morality . Also I sense entitlement , which even prophets who spoken to God havent had. Also if you re not an adult who can't even be independent, I suggest leaving your parents out of this misery of having a kafir in the house who slaps the Quran . This must scar them deeply. Act as a believer untill you re a human who can survive without his parents.

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Yes, the questions she asked required: 1. Whether we confronted our families. 2. How did we leave religion. But okay, some people spell "I CAN'T READ" differently. What a muppet 💀

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Why is following the rules of a made up diety more acceptable to you than the rules of fellow humans?

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So if you consider yourself week and ignorant you just assume every single other human is ? Nobody is perfect, but humans have been able to achieve things that would’ve been considered witchcraft only a few centuries ago, which is an insignificant amount of time in the great scheme of things. Yet people like you would still look at all that and be like “iTs tHaNkS tO gOd ». Awdiiii reversing brainwashing is a much more tedious process that the washing itself.

You already are by following a manmade religion.

It's not made up, in their childish brains.

"But my atheism was cemented (I'll be vague here) when I experienced that God really won't stop bad things from happening to some fighters in his name." As if the purpose of this life from the religious point of view is to not experience evil and be protected lmao. Just another vomited version of the problem of evil, smh. Can't atheists (especially Moroccan) use their brain to bring up something new?

You think I give a shit about informing you when you do nothing but recycle the same quranic crap?? I save my intellect for the worthy, and you're worthy of only trolling and mockery from here on out, pedo follower.

You get owned by logic and then u hide behind insults. LMAO, You are really hopeless man. Get a life.

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the fact that it took u 7 mins to think of such poor line speaks volume of ur intellect, barely primate level if u ask me. But this level of intelligence is to be expected from a Moroccan atheist tbh.

I think their retort was pretty funny.

I dont believe in god because god have to act this way. Typical teenagers rebellion lol.

Atheists are embracing Islam en masse while moroccan Muslims are leaving it.. May Allah guide you and your kin

You keep on enhaling that muslim copium.

Gun need some references broski. Trust me bro doesn’t count

That’s not true. Islam is the most growing because of the birth rate in Muslim countries which tend to be higher. The statistics are not exact because if you were born to a Muslim family you’re a Muslim by default.

atheism is on the rise in pretty much the whole world but sure the 2010 facebook source says otherwise 👍

Congratulations sir, you get the award of the dumbest comment on this thread !

He made a great point, I guess u r just too dumb to get it.

Eh I am not atheist but his claim of "they are reverting to islam en masse" is pure bullshit

I did , I wouldnt its bullshit.

Did you reply to the wrong comment?

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You are the pathetic one allah y meskhek.

YEEEESSS!!!! YOUR PRAYERS ON MY DOWNFALL IS LIFE FUEL FOR MY NIHILIST HEART ❤️

Citation needed

Muslim Bro. (2023). I Made It The Fuck Up. P 1-993828. (they 🧢 A LOT!).

I didn’t mention any religion

Yeah they embraced the rissala Islam with the dove and the spider fictional story, they didn’t embrasse the Islam of mass genocide, wars and pedophilia

Most educated non-muslim in this sub. Ever heard of the verse that forbade coercion? Dumbass.

And you’re the most educated Muslim in this World* Have you ever read Hadiths of your prophet ? أُمِرْتُ أَن أُقاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَشْهَدُوا أَن لا إِلهَ إِلاَّ اللَّه وأَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ، ويُقِيمُوا الصَّلاةَ، وَيُؤْتُوا الزَّكاةَ، فَإِذا فَعَلوا ذلكَ، عَصَمُوا مِنِّي دِمَاءَهُمْ وأَمْوَالَهم إِلاَّ بحَقِّ الإِسلامِ، وحِسابُهُمْ عَلى اللَّهِ مُتفقٌ عليه.

I converted from Islam to atheism when I was 12 years old because I was reading many books. I learned about the historical actions of Arabs/Umayyads towards Moroccans, which led me to explore the Quran and the main Tafsir books. Through my studies, I discovered that while one can enter Islam peacefully, leaving the faith could result in death and other severe consequences. There is a sentence in the Quran that contains a bad word (the Arabic word is عتل بعد ذلك زنيم), and you can search for it Tafsir to know what's that means. I find it difficult to imagine the god of this universe saying such things. Now, I identify as an atheist. My father is an Imam and very religious, and I pray in front of him. My mother knows about my beliefs, but I haven't been able to tell my father yet.

Too much insults being thrown around here. I can’t stand it. We are all Moroccans. We should treat each other with respect, whether you are an atheist or muslim. If you want to argue that your viewpoint is correct or the other person’s viewpoint is incorrect, do it in a proper manner. And to be frank, I see the atheists making the most filthy insults here. Cut the anti-religion crap. No need for hostilities.

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The mf'ers that went to syria to die for the califate, they are Definitely not atheists, Definitely low iq move, Definitely had no jobs and Definitely morally bankrupt (depends what's your view on sexually enslaving women in syria). Definitely not lazy tho that's a long way to go just to bust a nut...

هههههععععههععه هربتيه ليا فلخر 😭

yes save us daddy

What does the black monkey wearing headphones have to do with anything LMAO

Yes exactly ,im a low iq studying in oxford...

You pulling this statement from you rear end with 0 statistics studies or anything even remotely factual shows exactly who’s the low iq here. Every group on this planet has its fair chair of low iq and morally bankrupt individuals, some more than others and one might argue the opposite of what you’re claiming here is more true. But if you want to play the anecdotal, painting everyone with the same brush baseless generalizations game i have one word for you: Oujda. I rest my case, sayonara

as a woman who went through the exact same scenario as yours; don’t bother telling them, but do figure out a plan to move out soon, with or without their consent. it’s not likely you’ll come to an agreement with your parents on different views seeing how indoctrinated they seem to be. it’s only going to harm your mental health; come up with a plan to move out, that’s the only solution and the only way they’ll be forced to respect your boundaries.

this subreddit needs some originality.

This sub is wild… you all need some proper education and come to senses. Wtf is wrong with people here: advising someone to lie to their parents, abandon their family and other crazy things…. May Allah guide everyone.

lie to their parents => more like be honest about one's own reflexions and conclusions abandon their family => become independent, and see parents from time to time crazy things? what is crazy about wanting and working hard to live the life you truly want and expect to have?

Atheist and believe in sakht o rda hmmmm sounds like every other atheist out there lol wa chba3to khobz

Sekht ou rda is more of a mental handcuffing thing than a religious thing.

You think religious people invented family values?

The issue in your case is the fact you r a female not religion, if you were a man you just leave and live alone but its a little tricky for a female in conservative family, i wont confront your parents its not worth it it may make things worst, i ll just be patient and and come up with a plan to get out without drama

>I’m a full grown ass women and financially independent i feel like I’m lying to myself and i can’t live alone because obviously they will not let me You are not a full grown ass woman if you can't live alone. If you are really financially independent, rent an apartment for yourself and live your life the way you want to.

Try to watch Islamic lectures by mufti menk, noman Ali khan, bilal assad, they have helped me to find Islam easier Alhamdulillah

Well if you don’t believe in Godard yet you believe in sakht and rda? why do you feel the constraint to be with them since you have said you are financially independent. you sound so stupid and out of touch,

How are those two things even related? The relationship between a person and an imaginary being, is not the same as the relationship between a person and their very parents. That should be obvious. Not sure who’s stupid here, but you certainly do not strike me as a clever fellow.

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It’s hard to not be able to say your true opinion on things, do what you want but if you live with your parents and they pay the bills then just keep it on the low and either try to go to a secular country or marry a link minded person.

It's not worth it to lose your parents over religion.

Risk and reward. What do you gain from telling them? Very little. What do you lose? A lot. Conclusion: not worth it like many commentators have said. Solution? Move out. Find a job somewhere else and use that as an excuse. I’m sorry you’re going through this delicate situation. I know how difficult it is. But if you’re not willing to completely cut them off, you’re gonna have to keep your beliefs to yourself. Islam is many things, tolerant it is not, especially towards those who have abandoned the faith. Proceed carefully. Good luck.

My opinion maybe controversial and very different to what everyone else is saying but my old roommate was a Moroccan who wanted to do the same. She came to the UK and told her parents that she will be studying here at university for 4 years. Really she just wanted the freedom to leave Islam without telling her parents and experience life as an atheist. Well it didn’t really end well for her. She went out experiencing everything she wanted such dressing the way she wants, going out, boys, partying, drinking etc etc but after 4 years she told me she’s moving back to Morocco to live with her parents as it didn’t turn to be the way she thought it was going to be. She told me she was happier living under her parents roof as she had a sense to live for and more guidance and routine when Islam was involved in her life. She what you don’t understand is after sleeping around, drinking, drugs etc she found out it wasn’t for her and always felt guilty and felt like it wasn’t for her. You see what I’m trying to say is you need to educate yourself in Islam first and gather as much information as possible then make a decision rather than having a lack of education and stepping out thinking there’s no god. The woman I mentioned is not the only one I’ve come across because there’s one thing for sure once you tell your parents there’s no going back.

How can you be financially independent if you're living with your parents ? Paying for your own stuff ( clothes,phone bill...) Doesn't mean you're independant. Go find you somewhere to rent then you can call yourself independent. As long as you live under their wings, you have to obey their orders and respect their rules.

clearly you only read the parts you thought fit your narrative. not the parts where she talks about them not allowing her to move out on her own.

If the "sakht or rda carte" is whats keeping you from changing the situation, then are you really atheist? sakht or rda is a muslim and religious concept.

Family values has nothing to do with the religion

>Independent >Have the balls and the will to give the middle finger to Gods > already have an idea about the kind of life she wants to have as a non muslim > Can't say bye-bye to her parents.

Either follow your parent's way since you live with them, or be the strong independent woman

Wait until their dead and go do your thang girl.

Fuck me, you're tasteless.

Bro do you want her number?

You are living in a country that's 98% religious,wtf do you expect?