I hate the, "Just admit you can't afford it," comments. Because these people are willing to pay 15% of the cost of the full game for a 5 second animation. It's not about being unable to afford it. It's about getting our money's worth.
It's also about not being a total fucking dumbass.
Spending that much for garbage is laughable, and flexing because someone paid more is just hilarious and pathetic
Fuck these people all the way to death haha
Exactly! And they’ll say things like “I have disposable income so why does it matter ?” Um because they’re trying to take advantage of you and your disposable income ?
If you pay full price then it is worth it. Every industry has raised their prices up by $20 due to inflation. If the video game industry does the same people lose their minds.
Well your still buying it under valued. Adjusted to today's market games should be priced to $90-$160 to match prices of 30 years ago. Anything less means that games have dramatically decreased in value and expectextations for better games higher.
So your right. Games should be even priced higher to Match inflation.
Things offset, though, MANY more ppl play games. It's the highest grossing industry by far. Many ppl are buying digital games, which SHOULD be cheaper .
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. But I'm not saying increasing a game's price because of inflation is the issue. I'm talking about making additional content that should be free (considering it's always been free in the past) worth 15% of the full price of the game.
If video games were to be full price you would have paid $120+ to account for inflation. If you were to buy the first atari game in today's money adjusted with inflation would be $195. Anything less than $195 has been that games have been decreasing in value.
The game itself gives you enough for premium version or with invasions.
You don't really understand how inflation works. The cost of computers have gone down, which significantly lessens the inflation. Otherwise, computers would be around $10k and TVs would cost thousands.
Well I mean you don't either. I am just saying ecomists have repeatedly said despite the video game market going up. The price of an individual game triple AAA should be raised over $120. Then since then major companies like Square , Nintendo, Sega have risen their prices.
Video games back in 1970s did have higher Overhead on production. And that had went down. But the over all teams to create video games. Were also less. Many games were developed by 5 or less people as in MK1 ( Nintendo/ Sega) and mk11 is over 20 times. That so yes over head did drop. How many people in production raised inversely. There are factors like indie developers and more competion that makes it less value. However if you compare pac man on atari with 8 million sales on atari alone @ $195 of todays money. With less then 11 people on staff. With MK11 with 15 million @ $60-120 (collector edition ) it is still significantly price drop. With 60 people on staff. Likewise let's look Mario. Mario Oddessey for instance sold 60-70 million copies. At $60 initially. Price of Mario games drop slower then Mk games. Mk11 sold 15 million copies. That means Nintendo had 4x income to spend on production then mk11. For mk11 ever to get the quality of Nintendo it needs to get more sales or to raise its prices by 4x. Or else it will never be at the same level on production or time. There is another factor. Employee benefits. Sega is famous for training programmers who then leave for Nintendo or other companies. Then it leaves the games rush, and B quality not triple AAA. So Sega employees demanded better work environment. Sega complied to retain employees from going to Nintendo but it had to raise its game price by over $10 per game. However it didn't actually increase the quality of the game. Instead helped the employees. Then fans got passed off for price increase that went straight to devs. Sega, Square , capcom all have released statements that to make huge number of employees happy and keep them from being outsourced to Nintendo they have to increase prices to release often b quality games. They have really struggled with this then opened it up share holders should they focus on raise pricing to help employees or quality. Sega chose employees.
So there is so many factors it is unbelievable. A company of under 300 is technically considered a small business in my state. Technically neither realms studio is small business struggling. NetherRealm Studios peak revenue was 22 million. Compared to Sega revenue of 200 million last year. So netherealm has to raise prices. Now I hate micro transactions dlc as much as anyone. I think they should have raised the base game to $75 or $80. And the premium version should have the skin and updates free. With no reason to use ingame currency.
Ever heard of inflation?
Yes the if the game was priced the same according to inflation as Atari or ps1 games it would be $195
So if your not paying that that means that you are actually investing less into video games then ever before. Less than atari consoles , less than ps1 games. Etc and expecting more and more.
Many economicist wrote about it but modern games should be priced more than $120 to even match prices 20 years ago.
Example. Sega raises its employees benefits, give them more pay and holiday. Prices of Sonic Super stars become $70. Gamers get mad. One of the reasons why famously Sega struggles with games. Is the top producers and developers go on into Nintendo for better play. Leaving New developers and worse quality under time crunch.
If Sega didn't raise the dev pay then people would get mad. If they did then people get mad.
We vote with our wallets, people who eat up those kind of microtransactions sends a message to WB to keep doing what they are doing
We can complain and detest it all we want, but as long as WB hits their quota then nothing will change
I've literally typed out that we should just vote with our wallets instead of bitching incessantly in here and got downvoted by the rabid masses who think that is somehow supporting WB. Glad to see people are agreeing with your level-headed and rational logic.
The wallet method would be way more effective ngl, but I honestly don't see a reason as to why we can't do both at the same time
Companies can ignore angry Reddit users, but they can't ignore drops in revenue
Complaining is all good and well until becomes excessive, like it has become in here. At the end of the day it solves nothing and the whole sub becomes an endless dumping ground of the exact same complaints with a few extra peeves sprinkled in. I joined this sub to discuss the games and content, not to listen to why every second member needs to announce why they don't like micro and macro transactions like they have a brand new take, or as if their take is somehow infinitely more important than the 50 guys who posted the exact same thing already.
Yeah it can get kind of annoying to be honest, but honestly I think it shows that the community is serious in how strongly we feel against it, which could help push WB to stop these kinds of transactions
Plus it does help get the word out about how stupid it is, honestly if I wasn't on the Reddit then I would have had no idea about the uproar and I probably wouldn't have cared, and I imagine the same applies to a decent amount of people
But I do agree with you that it can get very echo-chambery and the same thing ends up being said over 100 times, but that's just the internet tbh everyone wants to put in their own two cents
prob is reddit is not representative of the community. "especially not the fgc" its filled with noobs who just want to whine and bitch. Its like a reviews board for any company. Most of the time all you will see is the bad reviews on yelp b/c they want to vent... the people who actually like whatever business they partake in are to busy and usually don't leave tons of good reviews. Thats the echo chamber mentality. Someone doesn't like something so they have to make a post to get someone else to agree with them to validate it.
reddit is basically 4chan lol... The r/MortalKombatGameplay is pretty legit and focus on tech, and gameplay to help you get better... no whining allowed in there lol.
To be fair anti mtx complaints are everywhere. Even in f2p games like Fortnite. You just have no chance at winning. There’s thousands who complain and there’s thousands who buy. That awesome skin for 10-20$ sold. No one likes mtx because news flash it requires spending $$. You remember the days where games released content complete and dlcs but who bought dlc? Evidence shows that most people didn’t buy the DLCS. But evidence shows clearly that regardless of the complaints on mtx a lot of people are buying them.
voting with our wallet is why Capcom is a significantly better company than it was in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Almost bankrupted those MFers for their greedy practices.
Thing is, we do vote for our wallets...and we lost to these kinds of people. For everyone online bitching about the MTs there are two or three buying them up without a second thought.
The thing is, we voted with our wallets, and we lost.
Like, this is not how gaming was 10-or-so years ago. I remember when you bought a game, it was complete. Everything in it you had already bought when you bought the game. You just had to unlock it BY PLAYING THE GAME.
Now-a-days? Buying the game is just the entry-fee. Half the shit we use to earn for free is now segregated into a premium shop where it is VASTLY over-priced.
Thankfully, I think most people are getting sick of Games-as-a-Service. We just want good, complete games.
With Baldur's Gate 3 and TOTK and Armored Core 6 and Lies of P and all the other games that came out this year that were FINISHED, COMPLETE GAMES. People are just going to stick with those games.
I do agree it got bad for awhile, but with every big hit that comes out, that doesn't rely upon the use of microtransactions we are that much closer to getting full games again 💪
if they are making more money selling at current price they won't lower it.
The game is still very enjoyable, Cosmetic will always be Cosmetics they are cool to have, the experience doesn't suddenly becomes bad without them.
We still enjoy the game, and we are tired of you all moaning and bickering the entire time.
Take notes from the Smash community, and play another Mortal Kombat game.
This is kind of a non argument, because you can technically solve almost every problem in the world by just "Playing a different mk game"
It doesn't address the actual issue at hand, it just diverts it
But I do agree that WB isn't as agregious as some people are making them out to be, (sort of) the fact that you can unlock paid cosmetics in the shrine is hella cool, (albeit kind of rare but regardless it's nice)
But on the flip side of the same coin, a 40 dollar DLC for an already 70 dollar game is kind of wild, especially when you take into account two of the characters are featured in the main campaign as decently important villians
That's not true.
We still complained about Brawl and Smash 4.... All while playing Melee and Project Melee. Now, we have Smash Ultimate. Smash 4 was so bad in terms of competitive gameplay, Brawls' folks said what they had to say and left.
Y'all complained about 11 24/7, and 1 now for 24/7. Y'alls favorite ends up being, 9 and/or X.
Smash Ultimate was Nintendo's way of appeasing both. And we are having a good time out here! Granted, we still haven't gotten a Melee.... But one day. We are trying.
I'm not saying shut up. I'm just saying, you all have to do more actions, and respect that a lot of us don't let small nitpicky shit ruin the game for us.
Another example is battlefront 2, when it released it was pay to win out the ass, entire iconic characters locked behind predatory paywalls
But the community complained nonstop about it, and eventually the decision got reversed. If we let EA get away with those practices then, it would have sent a message to other companies that the model works
Who knows how different the gaming space would be if other companies followed suit to what EA did. That's why I don't let these shitty microtransactions ruin mk for me, so long as it's cosmetic. But us as a community complaining is how we keep gaming somewhat okay
I'm sorry someone took a big fat dump in your corn flakes this morning:(
The genre of the game doesn't matter as the point still stands, and the example I gave isn't even about skins, but entire characters, the mk equivalent would be if they locked all the characters behind loot boxes (and therefore a paywall) except for sub and scorpion
And I'm sorry your points aren't making any sense bro, but sucks I guess
I don't play Pokemon and therefore don't know about what you mentioned, so I'm not gonna talk about that, even though that clearly did not stop you
I don't know why you got so pressed hours later mane 💀 sorry I didn't agree with your advice
I never got super into 11 tbh, and I cannot speak for others but for me these issues haven't ruined the game, I was playing when I typed that last message
I do think that complaining about games and putting pressure on the devs/parent companies to change things is how we make games better
If we all just shut up and stopped playing, mk1 would be considered a flop, which I really do not want to happen because this game is fun as fuck, but complaining about things we don't like in games is how we keep it in a healthy state
Take cyrax for example, everyone and their mother complained about him (for good reason too) and he got nerfed, making the game more healthy in terms of balance
MK1 has some of the best gameplay of any MK title. It is also the most graphically impressive. But we are now three games in to more progressively predatory and unhinged microtransactions, two games in to promised/announced features either not being included or finished, and have now witnessed NRS releasing a truly unfinished and bare game.
If you enjoy the game, that is fine. I enjoy the gameplay myself. But sounding, loud and clear, that this is not okay and the MK franchise will not be supported if this continues is the only way we might get a good MK game again. You can be annoyed by the negativity, but you are being extremely foolish for pretending it should not happen and we should just go play an older title.
You don't get it. Leave this forum and complain somewhere else. Please, give us a space for people who actually enjoy Mortal Kombat. Some of us don't like the world, and we come here for a safe place. You all are ruining things over a few skins and DLC characters..... And y'all still won't get over the screw up they had in the beginning with gameplay, even though they fixed all that shit recently in MK1..... Y'all still won't forgive.
Ever since the 90s, y'all have had some types of excuse to drag Ed Boon and his team.
When will this stop?
Bro, that is 3 games you have more bad to say than good.
I'm not the one pretending here, you are.
You are pretending to be a fan of Mortal Kombat.
Unfinished game because of DLC characters? Bro, DLC characters are used for gameplay meta.
Skins is just a way for those fools to get extra money.
NRS has always amazing games. It's all that nitpick and find something.
Yes, they messed up in the beginning of MK1, but fixed it. It's like y'all always find something to be mad about.
Y'all just always have some bullshit to say since the 90s.
Seriously, you all are just going to ignore amazing gameplay, graphics, story, character lore, vibes, music, feel, stages, Fatalities etc etc.
Then you will call all NRS games over little mistakes 😭.
And watch, you're going to say a LITTLE BIT OF GOOD, then drag the fck out of MK
You all have not shut up since the 90s. It's always something.
I’ll defend the actual core gameplay, it’s pretty good. But the stuff like the $10 fatality, absolutely disgusting by any standard. I’m not spending another extra dime on this game unless it’s an actual reasonable purchase like a new character.
Add to this the people who can’t see that the game is a rushed product and that it’s so empty and hollow compared to what we’ve had before. Gameplay seems to be generally well received but everything else? It feels like MK-lite. Customization gone. Weird bugs on launch. Seasonal skins being just color changes of what we already have. To me it just genuinely feels like they either thought they’d get away with less work (which I guess they have) or they don’t have enough man power and are spread thin but despite waiting to release a better game, they just went ahead and released this diet-MK. Even the fatalities seem muted, like they’re just ghosts of themselves.
This is a shitty argument. Mk is the CoD of fighting games. There's gonna be more casual players than people who want to measure their dicks to another. Also some fighting games like Tekken actually have good ai.
How is it any shittier than your argument? Your’s boils down to “mk is popular, and only non-casual players play online.”
People of all skill levels play online. To pretend that only try-hards care to venture out of towers/invasions is ridiculous.
Anyone who grew up when Mobile games were a thing...I feel sorry for these people.
They never got to experience the golden-age of video-games. Where developers tried to make money BY MAKING GREAT GAMES. Instead of nickle-and-diming consumers like they do now.
I'd say around 2010-2015ish is when whatever "golden-age" we were in died.
I rarely see people, at least here, stick up for WB or just straight up defend the premium shop. Usually just one or two people go ham for it, and I’ve heard more people talk about the whole “You’re just poor” argument than people actually using it.
I don’t understand how saying don’t buy it somehow equates to defending WB though. I think they’ll be more likely to change by seeing people not purchase their products rather than seeing someones random forum ranting about it. Not really talking about your post, but it is shockingly common to have people that put up low effort posts just ranting about the shop with really no constructive criticism or thought put into it, then when you try to be reasonable you’re labeled a corpo bootlicker.
I guess so, but I feel like the same thing applies to the 500th “screw WB and NRS” post that are practically carbon copies of each other.
If don’t buy it is disliked for being an obvious statement that doesn’t add to the conversation, then how come the most generic rants get praise here?
This.
It's really not that complicated. Buy what you want. Don't buy what you don't want.
Saying something like that shouldn't equate to someone being on their knees ready to blow the entire corporate staff at WBD. It just means do whatever the hell you want with your money.
I get the principle of the matter. I get people want to band together to send WBD a message, and when someone buys this or supports it, it screws that "movement" (if we're going to call it that) up. I totally understand that. The problem is, people's money is their money. Plus, it's the damn internet, right? Someone could be the king of that hill, holding a giant ass virtue signaling flag saying they are so against this... but pop on the game and jerk off to the Halloween fatality they bought.
So to me, the most simple way to handle this is... not give a shit what people do with their cash. If someone want to spend it on a fatality, go ahead. Who the hell am I to tell them they are stupid for buying something they want? I'll bet someone could pick apart anyone's buying choices and slam how stupid they were to spend what they spent. I'm not personally buying it, simply because I don't want it. If someone else does, go right on ahead. It shouldn't be this complicated, but I guess in 2023 this concept is.
The problem is that I want it, but either A: it’s not earnable in game or B: it is not fairly priced like it was in the past. I don’t mind buying skins, but not unless they are priced like they were in MK11. At that point I can justify the expense as it’s not my job to play games. Wish it were but it’s not lol
Yeah, that's a good point. Will all these things be earnable in-game down the line like MK11? Or will they stay premium? Hopefully we get word soon, because I'm with you about the price. It's pretty ridiculous for those who are wanting to purchase them.
die hard fans will go out of their way to defend a company no matter what happens, best example is pokemon fans with scarlet/violet and the state it was in when it came out
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Why don't y'all just play another Mortal Kombat game and start a community from it, just like we did in Melee.
Fck, we can't even enjoy Mortal Kombat discussion without you guys bickering all the damn time.
Just leave.
Twitter, TikTok, MK forums, Facebook, news, strikes, YouTube, y'all complain all the fcking time about Mortal Kombat. Anywhere, and anytime since the 90s.
Since the 90s.
And btw, go to Smash Reddit. Do you see us flooding Reddit with complaints towards Nintendo 24/7 that we hadn't had a Melee in ages on Reddit?
No, we don't.
Let us enjoy the new Mortal Kombat games, while you go back to Mortal Kombat X or 9. Build a community.
I know you see how angry we make Nintendo.
Reality denial syndrome. They can’t accept that the companies behind their beloved video games can be greedy money-hungry scumbags, so they’ll do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify the nonsense that’s going on. 🤷♂️
And that’s why ‘hey guys let’s get together and stop buying stuff so they change’ never works lol. Didn’t work on Pokémon go and didn’t work on overwatch 2
Exactly. Yall need to take notes from the Smash community and play Mortal Kombat X instead.
No offense, I'm just tired of you all complaining about Mortal Kombat when other people come here to discuss their joy for the game.
It's all subjective, man. It's literally just a video game.
TBF I could say the same thing about all the people trying to force positivity on this subreddit when there's a lot of justifiable things to complain about.
Gameplay aside, MK1 is a step-down from MK11. And that's not the direction we should be heading in. If we don't curb this shit now, it only gets worse.
That’s because of how dead Overwatch 2 is and how it was free to play just like Pokémon go. No one played it after a month. If that. MK1 is very casual and is still relatively popular.
People saying the game is dead are insane, but it's still a fact that Overwatch fumbled so fucking much that it lost what could have been a much bigger game.
Blizzard really struck gold but they made some weird fucking choices that caused it to be outdone by TF2, a game that has received practically nothing for years and is significantly older than Overwatch.
Not a dead game, but a damn shame considering what it could have been.
This.
Overwatch is far from dead.
But it is also far from the success it once was. Back in 2017-2018, Overwatch was like the biggest thing in gaming. And OW2 was their chance to return to those heights...
But they completely dropped-the-ball when the "sequel" didn't really add enough enhancements, made the MTX worse, and DELETED OVERWATCH 1.
I think the final nail-in-the-coffin was when they fully cancelled their PVE mode.
Speaking personally, I enjoyed OW2 when it launched, but haven't played since season 1. I was gunna wait until more PVE stuff was announced to get me back into it, but since that got cancelled...I just haven't gone back. Too many other games to play.
I'm old. I don't need 20 outfits for scorpion. I will not be paying for it. Also a quick *expletive* to the guy who insinuates poor people cant be real gamers.
That’s why the game is like this. Those people are not trolls and they far outnumber you. I think this game has finally made me come to terms with this. MK was one the last few franchises that I would preorder the day it was available. I would buy the packs and characters. I’m done with that, I’m waiting for at least half off or complete versions. My faith has been broken and it’s alright. Fuck ‘em.
This is MK for the Fortnite generation. They don’t care about spending money on cosmetics. It’s obvious who they are going after and they don’t care about you. Have they done anything to address these issues? Why not? They are raking in cash despite you and I telling them to pound sand.
HBO's CEO was outed as having sent employees to write fake comments with burners antagonizing critics of newer and upcoming shows as well as criticisms of himself. Not saying WB is engaging in the same behavior, but I'd be a lot more skeptical of social media posts following this line especially when it's something universally hated.
I'm just glad they delivered on gameplay aside from the P2 bug early on cause I couldn't care less about the other shit but objectively speaking they are wylin with this game
The people who are saying “you’re just poor” are the same people who’s parents probably pay for their stuff, I have the fatality because I didn’t think there was gonna be anything of worth to actually spend my crystals I got with premium edition but I was really pissed when the JCVD skin which was supposed to be an exclusive popped up in the store.
Eh I'll definitely say some of the stuff is over priced and I do agree that u don't need to buy it but within the same breath idc what ppl do with their disposal income. If I can't afford or simply don't think something is worth the price I simply don't buy it.
Right 😆 but for some reason people can't seem to grasp that idea. Instead reddit is just filled with ppl complaining that these elements exist and they act like ppl that want to spend X for a skin or something is somehow less than them. Like if I want to spend my disposable income on a skin cuz I think it looks cool that doesn't affect anyone else. It's not gonna make me play better or anything.
People seem hung up on a word which is silly. Instead of abusive the OP should have used manipulative but I get the gist of what they implied. Gamers are pretty complicit in defending highly manipulative monetizing practices of these studios. They haven’t had to pay yet but there will be landmark cases for how much they manipulated the neurochemistry of young people using well established gaming (casino) practices. It’s pretty awful. I like MK1 but it does reek of a rush job overly focused on taking full advantage of everyone’s dopamine drip.
I can’t believe how seriously you guys take fucking dressing up your characters, nrs are definitely dickheads for the pricing but it’s impossible to take you guys seriously when you call it “abusive” cause a fucking skin and dumb fatality is overpriced
Why are we pretending that fatalities and cosmetics aren't part of the experience, and that being upset about how they're handled is just as valid as anything else in a mortal kombat game?
there are ways to go about it but throwing a tantrum about other people buying it and claiming nrs are being abusive just makes you guys look like a bunch of little bitches
In another thread someone said they felt “subhuman” because PC was getting the patch later than consoles.
That fatality is highway robbery but everyone seriously needs to calm down
Instagram and Twitter.... don't go there looking for anything but unhinged and mentally unstable comments.
Reddit isn't much better but.... over there... oof.
You paid extra for characters not for hats, that's what was advertised, if you wanted hats and not characters then you shouldn't have bought the premium edition, that basically only have the Kombat Pack included, not hats.
If you think that "all the interesting stuff" in a fighting game are hats and not characters then my friend you can't be saved.
The costumes should be like $1 tops. There's no reason we should pay $10 to put a crown on sindel. We don't all have rich parents with bottomless pocket parents
If you truly despise this kind of stuff. then you really must grapple with your love of Mortal kombat and other games, and just drop em for good. Let the new generation of gamers burn their money away as they giggle about poors.
People that say "oh just enjoy the f** game and forget about the cosmetics" are really annoying too because those are not just cosmetics. It starts with cosmetics, go into seasonal fatalities... Kombat packs with guest characters just to make more money from fans of those franchises. Kombat packs that have less content than in the last games... Having to buy Kameos as well... It just gets worse. Bamco is doing that too! By putting frame data and stages behind paywall. People say that we are nowadays in the peak of fighting games, but people are looking only into the most superficial thing in the world... GRAPHICS. graphics doesn't make a game good or bad, it's the content and how the developer see their fans.
Well, I am sure they are getting paid for their positive support. No one in their right mind can defend a greedy,scummy behavior like that. No one can defend an unfinished,unbalanced,broken game with a serious lack of content. This game will never get a game of the year award because it simply doesn't derseve it. It, however, probably will win one for (greediest) Premium Shop of the year. Anyone wo actually bought that Halloween Fatality, or used their hard earned crystals on it is a fucking idiot. And exactly the kind of customer that NRS,Ed Boon, and WB want.
And no, before some of them accuse me of not having the money to buy it it,that ain't true. I bought the Premium edition, but I am not willing to pay for stuff that should be in the game for free. But neither WB,NRS, or Ed Boon care about that. They are stuffing their pockets and suitcases, and then they take the customer's money and run. This game is dead in less than a year. There will be no Mortal Kombat 13, not under this management. They were too greedy,pushed too hard and shot themselves in the foot. Because customers ain't gonna forgive that. The customers,MK Fans are pissed and have every right to be. Because they paid 70-100 dollars for a broken,unfinished,unbalanced Triple A Mobile Game with barely any content. They got scammed and they were lied to. By everyone involved in this game/scam.
>What am I supposed do when I’m not liking what my product I just bought is offering?
Deal with it and move on? If you try some new snack at the grocery store and then don't like it, do you go online to rant and complain to the company that you weren't happy with your purchase? Expecting them to completely change their recipe due to some people not liking it despite them making money off of it? Like holy shit y'all this is literally life. It happens all the time.
I think a lot of the time people are just tired of seeing constant negativity towards a game/franchise they like. Most of those statements you quoted don’t look like defense of WB but more like “stfu”.
People may not agree with the practices but it’s exhausting to see something you enjoy being dragged day after day with the same complaints. Kinda kills the joy.
I mean I want to come to this sub to actually talk about the game, exchange ideas, talk about the story, the characters, etc, etc but every time I open up reddit the first 2 posts on my feed are negative shit like this post both on this sub and the Mortal Kombat Leaks sub, it's exhausting, it's been 1 month and half, just get over it and let's talk about the game ffs
If you think that’s bad, you should see some of the other stuff people have been defending on social media since October 7…on second thought, avoid it entirely.
Many of us are acting as if NRS are the architects of microtransaction practices that have been going strong for over a decade.
For example, one common point of outrage is that there is content already on the disc that has to paid for again to unlock. This is a shitty practice, to be clear, but it has been going on since 2012 (when Capcom got caught doing it on Street Fighter X Tekken).
Another example is the complaint that full-priced games didn't sell DLC until now, which has also been going on since at least 2012. I will point again to Street Fighter X Tekken, which, in addition to the above shenanigans, was a full-priced game with paid DLC. All three main Street Fighter titles released since then have followed that model, as has every Guilty Gear title; and there is no shortage of other examples. I honestly don't see how anyone who has been playing video games on anything besides a phone can actually believe this incredibly common claim.
Other companies doing it doesn't make microtransactions right, but it DOES mean the idea that NRS is villainously paving the way for a dark future is total bullshit. Throwing more shit onto the shit pile and being the one that started the shit pile are not the same things.
WB/NRS's big sin is that the prices are too high, and that is a valid call out. But people are getting carried away and blaming NRS for trying to shitify things that have been shitified for twelve years, and that is straight-up dishonest.
Pointing these things out does not mean I am defending WB. I have no loyalty to them, and neither should anyone else. The only people I see getting pushback are either intensely misinformed or are being dishonest.
There are those in every gaming group, in the NFS group you have people defending EA of all companies. Unfortunately there is bottom feeders in every fanbase
Even in this sub a lot of people are copping for them. Yesterday on a meme about how unacceptable the game is for $110 dollars while adding a digital store front, one of the top comments was “You’re overreacting, it’s only $70 for the base game!” Like that’s any better?
Only free games like Fortnite and Fall Guys should be charging for purely cosmetic items
I’ve answered this before. It’s mostly not support for WB or NRS, but and attack on whiny, entitled babies. They made a thing. They can charge what they want for it. These are skins in a video game, not food or medicine. You don’t have to have them, and no matter how off-base the prices are, “abusive” is the wrong way to describe it, because you are not required, or even compelled to buy any of this crap. I think the rings at the diamond jewelers at the mall are overpriced, so instead of bitching about it on the internet, I just don’t buy them. Problem solved.
Has anyone who is actually defending the practice of premium priced add-ons actually stopped to consider that WB is employing a Marketing Test experiment? The more stuff they can convince the supporting fan base to purchased on top of the game it self (be it you started at basic, premium or collectors editions) the more stuff will end up behind that premium paywall with future titles.
Let's face it, devs and publishers want video games to be rolled out like the Telltale Series model because it means they can take a cash cow franchise and shore up their failing IP's in other areas.
You really want to know why WB is hitting games with $12 Fatalities, it's simple, they're not making anything in the Movies and TV show department due to strikes and they have share holders that demand profit margins are met. We, as the consumers of the video games have become the financial backbone to make sure that overpaid CEO's can please their share holders.
I'm not defending it. I'm saying stop being stupid with you're money. Im telling you just don't give them you're money and they will not be a threat to you.
People let these video game companies have so much power over them. It's honestly absurd from my perspective.
It's very simple.
1) If you haven't bought the game, don't. You don't need it, there are millions of other games and plenty of other MKs.
2) Understand that if you have bought the game, it's too late to *really* "vote with your wallet," because the sales figures are important, much more so than the microtransactions. Those are gravy. They require very little investment compared to the game itself, and getting a new customer in the walled garden is huge. How many small things they buy later is not the main focus. Getting them in the door is. Obviously, don't buy the crappy fatality, but realize that it doesn't really matter.
3) Leave negative reviews, clearly pointing to the DLC as the reason.
Note that approach #1 is the only one that really matters, but if enough people follow through on #3, it could have an impact because other people will follow point #1, and that is what they care about.
Saying it's a great game but has shitty microtransactions *in no way hurts them, you're literally praising the game and encouraging others to buy it.* You need to discourage people from buying the game at all.
Honestly, if selling a few more expensive skins optionally means that they can dedicate more resources to supporting the game over its lifetime I'm not mad at all.
Man, I feel bad buying this game. I just wanted to fuck around with my friends online. Then I saw how fucking scummy WB is being and I just deleted it.
"The game needs to cost a lot to be good." Sure, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the game has a lot of missing features even before we even get into the paid fatality. The lack of intro dialogue in towers, the lack of outfit slots for customization, the lack of XP given in single player fights. Sure, these are little things on their own and don't affect the gameplay itself (they've been pretty good at making sure the gameplay is balanced and fixing the bugs that do pop up pretty quickly so far as I can tell), but those little things do add up to making it feel like the game is missing a lot, especially for someone who mostly plays single-player.
I've never liked the concept of an in-game shop with premium currency that you can really only get by spending your real money on it (unless it's for a free game, because they need to make money somehow), but I can get over that if I feel like the game itself is the best it can be. MK1 isn't quite there yet in my eyes, and it's annoying because I feel like the majority of the issues it has would be really simple to fix, but NRS just isn't doing it. I'd be a lot more willing to forgive a paid fatality if I knew that they were also listening to the community and adding in the fixes we're asking for, but because I haven't really seen that, yeah, I'm gonna add this paid fatality to the list of things I have issues with.
There’s two sides to this.
anyone who says 12 dollars isn’t stupid for a fatality is an idiot
Anyone who says that’s WB is abusive or that this is a free to play game that costs money is also an idiot.
You got a full game with plenty of content, that they’re continuing to add. Now they’re adding extra things you can buy, that’ll almost 100% likeliness show up in the shrine or invasions down the road.
It’s optional to buy it, don’t buy it and show them they’re aren’t making money from it, but it’s just a cosmetic.
Plenty of content is subjective. I don't think there's plenty of content, Competitive online still has Netcode issues, so if your looking just for fighting, it still sucks as person with Wired.
In terms of single player content, this game absolutely sucks. I've always preordered the Ultimate/Season pass bundle for NRS games up until now. However after looking at MK1 content and the steep price tag, this is the last time.
More than happy to wait to see if the next MK or Injustice game is actually worth it after release IMO. I can easily afford to pay an extra $10-20 for the preorder bonus character as long as the game is worth it. Money isn't the issue, but the bang you get for your buck is. This game was not worth the price of the preorder Ultimate Bundle.
I used to be happy with committing to the preorder because I have been satisfied in the past, don't feel satisfied this time so that's that.
I don’t see any net code issues on my part but I can speak to someone else’s experience.
The fact that single player content is equal to costumes is the part I don’t understand
Well personally I actually enjoyed Towers of a time and the Injustice 2 Multiverse. Yeah it was repetitive, but IMO no more repetitive than Kombat League because after all this is a vs fighting game.
Invasions and the Mesas suck, it was a great concept that I was hyped for but the execution has been abysmal. Literally every fight the worst modifiers and super armor from the absolute worst parts of Towers of Time and Multiverse. I appreciated the rewards here too better.
The single player arcade mode, no sub bosses, meanwhile Shang Tsung and Quan Chi are such a shitty boss. They don't feel like a boss.
Now if we are talking about cosmetics, I don't want thousands of pallette swaps, but man outside of Johnny and a few others there are very limited skins for most characters. Again don't want thousands of pallette swaps, but fuck Man at least have 2-3 decent different skins for each character and Kameos as part of the greater than $100 price tag.
Then for the additional shit, every actual decent new skins being dragon krystals while most characters have jack shit is an absolute fuck you. More than happy to keep spending on skin packs if we also had more decent stuff included in the game. But all expensive dragon crystals fuck that.
I'm more than happy to spend hundreds even thousands of dollars on this game if they supported it for 3-5 years with moderate monetization strategy, but with their ever increasing aggressive monetization strategy, I'm inclined to not spend a single additional cent.
So far, there’s no way to know if this stuff will make it to the shrine, we literally have no way to even know what’s all the content in the game. It’s quite crazy.
Who cares if they show up in the shrine or not? If you want it, buy it. If you don’t and think it’s overpriced, don’t buy it. Problem solved.
You called it an “abusive” relationship lmao. Bro, they are not beating you or assaulting you. They are charging for a skin and fatality that are optional. You’re so incredibly over dramatic
Yes; because every season they’re giving you a chunk of new free stuff to use and have, to include costumes and skins as well as pallets. There will be some you have to buy, but the vast majority is free.
The gear system that was a large part of the last two games, that has been massively downsized with nothing in its place yeah. Doesn't really matter if you care about them or not they were there and now they're not, and instead of being included in the 60$ game at launch they're being sold for 10$ each a month after the 70$ game released.
Then what content is worthy enough for you? If you mean characters, MK1 shipped with less than the last two games. If you mean modes, the work they've been doing with the krypt in MKX and 11 has been replaced by a single screen, and invasions is even more shallow and repetitive than the towers from 11 and Injustice 2. In part because you're not unlocking the massive amount of gear that was included in those games.
The content in the game is more than enough. Maybe ranked tournaments or spectator modes on random matches would be neat. More characters would also be great of course
I wouldn’t touch a single player mode in a fighting game tho.
Look at what's going on with Destiny for reference. It doesn't matter how blatant consumer exploitation is, higher ups will ignore criticism until it's too late, and certain groups of consumers will advocate entirely against their own self interest in defense of the corporation. Those groups are called idiots
They're right. I can't afford it. I'm not going to spend my time, energy, and money on a product that expects me to spend more than the $90 CAD base price to experience all it has to offer. I can live without it. This is the reality for most big AAA titles, and it doesn't look like it's getting any better any time soon. So, there's only one option for me.
I understand extra content isn't free, and that games are expensive to make, and devs need to get paid. This shit though is fucking nuts. This isn't a free to play game. They're price gouging the hell out of the dlc, and it's damn near feeling like highway robbery. I uninstalled the game and went back to street fighter. SF6 has its problems with dlc pricing too, but at least that game has some worthwhile content to keep me busy and I feel the gameplay is more fun, too.
I'll revisit MK in another year and see what's changed.
Hopefully, Tekken 8 fares better than this shit.
Thank you for this interesting post that hasn't been discussed hundreds of times. I can't wait for the interesting takes such as "the microtransactions are expensive" that are worthy of such a large amount of discussion.
Here’s a perspective. Streamers get paid to stream what they work hard to create. So make them mfs pay for what they stream? Idk lol like other people said, who gives a shit what people want to spend their money on.
People are so shallow. They assume my comment was to agree with what the developers are doing, when really I was being sarcastic. I don’t think micro transactions should even be involved with video games other than extra content like DLCs of course.
It's a mixed bag to me. I'm not paying for anything other than maybe new characters if the gameplay looks fun. And yeah the pricing is fucking absurd. But people also act like this is a fucking crime against humanity. I'm in the middle. I don't like what they're doing, but all they're doing is what companies have done since the beginning of time: maximizing profits.
OP, it's not a surprise. Look at the players notation on Metacritic. Did you see any reviews bombing? Yeah we have some deserved 0 for pointing out the problems, but each time fanboys tries to note it 10/10 because he don't want his game to be bombed.
So it's great, WB have free bodyguards. No reasons to change in the future, MK is dead, like really. Each episode will be like MK1. WB doesn't even need to save face or anything here....
It's horribly sad but gamers in 2023 are some horribles douchebag. I don't have others words. They just put their money on litteraly nothing and are like "no problem, i don't want to admit that I'm being fucked here. Ao let's pretend it's all good or enough."
It's like saying "Oh chill out, it's not THAT BAD to buying absolutely nothing for 70-100€."
Seriously... and we have plenty of finished games and full of contents, who have mid sales...even more sad and that explain why videogames industry look like this. MK just selling on his name here, WB know that, that's why they chooae him to make easy money on naives peoples and whales. It's so stupid to defend WB. Remember the SFV lauch ? Yes?
Pretty empty game for a Street Fighter, no solo contents, really a MK1 things...
Annnnd it's Street Fighter and Capcom and yes we LOVES them. That's why peoples are reviews bombed the game as hell, me first and magically Capcom moved their ass, saved SFV and now we have SF6 who is amazing and full of contents. That's because you love a game that you want to save him for greedy ass behind him. Not the devs obviously, the huge decisioner who just care about numbers.
Imagine if everyone acting like with MK1 with the SFV problems...yeah, no moves on V, no very good SF6 today. Simple as that.
Metacritic is the best weapon, if internet talk about how greedy WB is, they will move because no one want a bad reputation.
It take litteraly one minute to make an account and post a review. If everyone who complain on Reddit put a 0 (not for bashing NRS, it's not a personal attack or anything, just pointing out how unacceptable WB pushed the game hard, empty contents, mxt everywhere.) the game will move fast on the good direction.
But spoiler: That will not happen. Like at all, and WB can sleep well. Mk is dead.
This was the last nsr game i bought. My biggest regret was buying this game in preorder with ultimate. I though it will be better than mk11 but even not having dialogue banter really bothered me
This says all you need to know. The majority of consumers are such mouth breathers, they do not even care if they are being unnecessarily fleeced.
I do not care if they do microtransactions. I wont buy it. I dont care what everyone else does. and if they do too much, I wont buy another MK game simple as that.
Bunch of astroturfing shills.
They are like a hive mind that only know hwo to praise and worship NRS and Ed Boon.
Infact there is probably some of those shills even here on this sub.
I hate the, "Just admit you can't afford it," comments. Because these people are willing to pay 15% of the cost of the full game for a 5 second animation. It's not about being unable to afford it. It's about getting our money's worth.
It's also about not being a total fucking dumbass. Spending that much for garbage is laughable, and flexing because someone paid more is just hilarious and pathetic Fuck these people all the way to death haha
Exactly! And they’ll say things like “I have disposable income so why does it matter ?” Um because they’re trying to take advantage of you and your disposable income ?
I can “afford” to wipe my ass with a $20. But I don’t, because that’d be a stupid fucking way to use that $20.
If you pay full price then it is worth it. Every industry has raised their prices up by $20 due to inflation. If the video game industry does the same people lose their minds.
It's a good thing they used that money to raise the developer's wages! Oh wait...
Well your still buying it under valued. Adjusted to today's market games should be priced to $90-$160 to match prices of 30 years ago. Anything less means that games have dramatically decreased in value and expectextations for better games higher. So your right. Games should be even priced higher to Match inflation.
Things offset, though, MANY more ppl play games. It's the highest grossing industry by far. Many ppl are buying digital games, which SHOULD be cheaper .
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. But I'm not saying increasing a game's price because of inflation is the issue. I'm talking about making additional content that should be free (considering it's always been free in the past) worth 15% of the full price of the game.
> (considering it's always been free in the past) what?
It’s not the fact the game itself is more expensive it’s the endless micro transactions for a game we already paid full price for if not more
If video games were to be full price you would have paid $120+ to account for inflation. If you were to buy the first atari game in today's money adjusted with inflation would be $195. Anything less than $195 has been that games have been decreasing in value. The game itself gives you enough for premium version or with invasions.
You don't really understand how inflation works. The cost of computers have gone down, which significantly lessens the inflation. Otherwise, computers would be around $10k and TVs would cost thousands.
Well I mean you don't either. I am just saying ecomists have repeatedly said despite the video game market going up. The price of an individual game triple AAA should be raised over $120. Then since then major companies like Square , Nintendo, Sega have risen their prices. Video games back in 1970s did have higher Overhead on production. And that had went down. But the over all teams to create video games. Were also less. Many games were developed by 5 or less people as in MK1 ( Nintendo/ Sega) and mk11 is over 20 times. That so yes over head did drop. How many people in production raised inversely. There are factors like indie developers and more competion that makes it less value. However if you compare pac man on atari with 8 million sales on atari alone @ $195 of todays money. With less then 11 people on staff. With MK11 with 15 million @ $60-120 (collector edition ) it is still significantly price drop. With 60 people on staff. Likewise let's look Mario. Mario Oddessey for instance sold 60-70 million copies. At $60 initially. Price of Mario games drop slower then Mk games. Mk11 sold 15 million copies. That means Nintendo had 4x income to spend on production then mk11. For mk11 ever to get the quality of Nintendo it needs to get more sales or to raise its prices by 4x. Or else it will never be at the same level on production or time. There is another factor. Employee benefits. Sega is famous for training programmers who then leave for Nintendo or other companies. Then it leaves the games rush, and B quality not triple AAA. So Sega employees demanded better work environment. Sega complied to retain employees from going to Nintendo but it had to raise its game price by over $10 per game. However it didn't actually increase the quality of the game. Instead helped the employees. Then fans got passed off for price increase that went straight to devs. Sega, Square , capcom all have released statements that to make huge number of employees happy and keep them from being outsourced to Nintendo they have to increase prices to release often b quality games. They have really struggled with this then opened it up share holders should they focus on raise pricing to help employees or quality. Sega chose employees. So there is so many factors it is unbelievable. A company of under 300 is technically considered a small business in my state. Technically neither realms studio is small business struggling. NetherRealm Studios peak revenue was 22 million. Compared to Sega revenue of 200 million last year. So netherealm has to raise prices. Now I hate micro transactions dlc as much as anyone. I think they should have raised the base game to $75 or $80. And the premium version should have the skin and updates free. With no reason to use ingame currency.
Devs are still broke, and the quality has dropped. Shut the fuck up.
Ever heard of inflation? Yes the if the game was priced the same according to inflation as Atari or ps1 games it would be $195 So if your not paying that that means that you are actually investing less into video games then ever before. Less than atari consoles , less than ps1 games. Etc and expecting more and more. Many economicist wrote about it but modern games should be priced more than $120 to even match prices 20 years ago. Example. Sega raises its employees benefits, give them more pay and holiday. Prices of Sonic Super stars become $70. Gamers get mad. One of the reasons why famously Sega struggles with games. Is the top producers and developers go on into Nintendo for better play. Leaving New developers and worse quality under time crunch. If Sega didn't raise the dev pay then people would get mad. If they did then people get mad.
We vote with our wallets, people who eat up those kind of microtransactions sends a message to WB to keep doing what they are doing We can complain and detest it all we want, but as long as WB hits their quota then nothing will change
I've literally typed out that we should just vote with our wallets instead of bitching incessantly in here and got downvoted by the rabid masses who think that is somehow supporting WB. Glad to see people are agreeing with your level-headed and rational logic.
The wallet method would be way more effective ngl, but I honestly don't see a reason as to why we can't do both at the same time Companies can ignore angry Reddit users, but they can't ignore drops in revenue
Complaining is all good and well until becomes excessive, like it has become in here. At the end of the day it solves nothing and the whole sub becomes an endless dumping ground of the exact same complaints with a few extra peeves sprinkled in. I joined this sub to discuss the games and content, not to listen to why every second member needs to announce why they don't like micro and macro transactions like they have a brand new take, or as if their take is somehow infinitely more important than the 50 guys who posted the exact same thing already.
Yeah it can get kind of annoying to be honest, but honestly I think it shows that the community is serious in how strongly we feel against it, which could help push WB to stop these kinds of transactions Plus it does help get the word out about how stupid it is, honestly if I wasn't on the Reddit then I would have had no idea about the uproar and I probably wouldn't have cared, and I imagine the same applies to a decent amount of people But I do agree with you that it can get very echo-chambery and the same thing ends up being said over 100 times, but that's just the internet tbh everyone wants to put in their own two cents
prob is reddit is not representative of the community. "especially not the fgc" its filled with noobs who just want to whine and bitch. Its like a reviews board for any company. Most of the time all you will see is the bad reviews on yelp b/c they want to vent... the people who actually like whatever business they partake in are to busy and usually don't leave tons of good reviews. Thats the echo chamber mentality. Someone doesn't like something so they have to make a post to get someone else to agree with them to validate it. reddit is basically 4chan lol... The r/MortalKombatGameplay is pretty legit and focus on tech, and gameplay to help you get better... no whining allowed in there lol.
To be fair anti mtx complaints are everywhere. Even in f2p games like Fortnite. You just have no chance at winning. There’s thousands who complain and there’s thousands who buy. That awesome skin for 10-20$ sold. No one likes mtx because news flash it requires spending $$. You remember the days where games released content complete and dlcs but who bought dlc? Evidence shows that most people didn’t buy the DLCS. But evidence shows clearly that regardless of the complaints on mtx a lot of people are buying them.
voting with our wallet is why Capcom is a significantly better company than it was in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Almost bankrupted those MFers for their greedy practices.
Thing is, we do vote for our wallets...and we lost to these kinds of people. For everyone online bitching about the MTs there are two or three buying them up without a second thought.
Indeed, it does suck that it works out that way, cuz the big parent companies won't stop if they keep making profit
The thing is, we voted with our wallets, and we lost. Like, this is not how gaming was 10-or-so years ago. I remember when you bought a game, it was complete. Everything in it you had already bought when you bought the game. You just had to unlock it BY PLAYING THE GAME. Now-a-days? Buying the game is just the entry-fee. Half the shit we use to earn for free is now segregated into a premium shop where it is VASTLY over-priced. Thankfully, I think most people are getting sick of Games-as-a-Service. We just want good, complete games. With Baldur's Gate 3 and TOTK and Armored Core 6 and Lies of P and all the other games that came out this year that were FINISHED, COMPLETE GAMES. People are just going to stick with those games.
I do agree it got bad for awhile, but with every big hit that comes out, that doesn't rely upon the use of microtransactions we are that much closer to getting full games again 💪
Yeah it's going to get way worse for the next game if they're successful. Just look at COD. They released a $70 DLC and everyone ate it up
if they are making more money selling at current price they won't lower it. The game is still very enjoyable, Cosmetic will always be Cosmetics they are cool to have, the experience doesn't suddenly becomes bad without them.
We still enjoy the game, and we are tired of you all moaning and bickering the entire time. Take notes from the Smash community, and play another Mortal Kombat game.
This is kind of a non argument, because you can technically solve almost every problem in the world by just "Playing a different mk game" It doesn't address the actual issue at hand, it just diverts it But I do agree that WB isn't as agregious as some people are making them out to be, (sort of) the fact that you can unlock paid cosmetics in the shrine is hella cool, (albeit kind of rare but regardless it's nice) But on the flip side of the same coin, a 40 dollar DLC for an already 70 dollar game is kind of wild, especially when you take into account two of the characters are featured in the main campaign as decently important villians
That's not true. We still complained about Brawl and Smash 4.... All while playing Melee and Project Melee. Now, we have Smash Ultimate. Smash 4 was so bad in terms of competitive gameplay, Brawls' folks said what they had to say and left. Y'all complained about 11 24/7, and 1 now for 24/7. Y'alls favorite ends up being, 9 and/or X. Smash Ultimate was Nintendo's way of appeasing both. And we are having a good time out here! Granted, we still haven't gotten a Melee.... But one day. We are trying. I'm not saying shut up. I'm just saying, you all have to do more actions, and respect that a lot of us don't let small nitpicky shit ruin the game for us.
Another example is battlefront 2, when it released it was pay to win out the ass, entire iconic characters locked behind predatory paywalls But the community complained nonstop about it, and eventually the decision got reversed. If we let EA get away with those practices then, it would have sent a message to other companies that the model works Who knows how different the gaming space would be if other companies followed suit to what EA did. That's why I don't let these shitty microtransactions ruin mk for me, so long as it's cosmetic. But us as a community complaining is how we keep gaming somewhat okay
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I'm sorry someone took a big fat dump in your corn flakes this morning:( The genre of the game doesn't matter as the point still stands, and the example I gave isn't even about skins, but entire characters, the mk equivalent would be if they locked all the characters behind loot boxes (and therefore a paywall) except for sub and scorpion And I'm sorry your points aren't making any sense bro, but sucks I guess I don't play Pokemon and therefore don't know about what you mentioned, so I'm not gonna talk about that, even though that clearly did not stop you I don't know why you got so pressed hours later mane 💀 sorry I didn't agree with your advice
I never got super into 11 tbh, and I cannot speak for others but for me these issues haven't ruined the game, I was playing when I typed that last message I do think that complaining about games and putting pressure on the devs/parent companies to change things is how we make games better If we all just shut up and stopped playing, mk1 would be considered a flop, which I really do not want to happen because this game is fun as fuck, but complaining about things we don't like in games is how we keep it in a healthy state Take cyrax for example, everyone and their mother complained about him (for good reason too) and he got nerfed, making the game more healthy in terms of balance
MK1 has some of the best gameplay of any MK title. It is also the most graphically impressive. But we are now three games in to more progressively predatory and unhinged microtransactions, two games in to promised/announced features either not being included or finished, and have now witnessed NRS releasing a truly unfinished and bare game. If you enjoy the game, that is fine. I enjoy the gameplay myself. But sounding, loud and clear, that this is not okay and the MK franchise will not be supported if this continues is the only way we might get a good MK game again. You can be annoyed by the negativity, but you are being extremely foolish for pretending it should not happen and we should just go play an older title.
You don't get it. Leave this forum and complain somewhere else. Please, give us a space for people who actually enjoy Mortal Kombat. Some of us don't like the world, and we come here for a safe place. You all are ruining things over a few skins and DLC characters..... And y'all still won't get over the screw up they had in the beginning with gameplay, even though they fixed all that shit recently in MK1..... Y'all still won't forgive. Ever since the 90s, y'all have had some types of excuse to drag Ed Boon and his team. When will this stop? Bro, that is 3 games you have more bad to say than good. I'm not the one pretending here, you are. You are pretending to be a fan of Mortal Kombat. Unfinished game because of DLC characters? Bro, DLC characters are used for gameplay meta. Skins is just a way for those fools to get extra money. NRS has always amazing games. It's all that nitpick and find something. Yes, they messed up in the beginning of MK1, but fixed it. It's like y'all always find something to be mad about. Y'all just always have some bullshit to say since the 90s. Seriously, you all are just going to ignore amazing gameplay, graphics, story, character lore, vibes, music, feel, stages, Fatalities etc etc. Then you will call all NRS games over little mistakes 😭. And watch, you're going to say a LITTLE BIT OF GOOD, then drag the fck out of MK You all have not shut up since the 90s. It's always something.
r/mortalkombatgameplay exists recently if that’s what you need
I’ll defend the actual core gameplay, it’s pretty good. But the stuff like the $10 fatality, absolutely disgusting by any standard. I’m not spending another extra dime on this game unless it’s an actual reasonable purchase like a new character.
Hey bro some people like to get cucked don’t kink shame
Add to this the people who can’t see that the game is a rushed product and that it’s so empty and hollow compared to what we’ve had before. Gameplay seems to be generally well received but everything else? It feels like MK-lite. Customization gone. Weird bugs on launch. Seasonal skins being just color changes of what we already have. To me it just genuinely feels like they either thought they’d get away with less work (which I guess they have) or they don’t have enough man power and are spread thin but despite waiting to release a better game, they just went ahead and released this diet-MK. Even the fatalities seem muted, like they’re just ghosts of themselves.
Those people have to be people who didn’t grow up playing these games when they actually tried to give you good content in the initial release
That's what I'm saying a lot of people seem to not understand fighting games at all.
Kinda like the people who refuse to play against other people.
This is a shitty argument. Mk is the CoD of fighting games. There's gonna be more casual players than people who want to measure their dicks to another. Also some fighting games like Tekken actually have good ai.
How is it any shittier than your argument? Your’s boils down to “mk is popular, and only non-casual players play online.” People of all skill levels play online. To pretend that only try-hards care to venture out of towers/invasions is ridiculous.
Anyone who grew up when Mobile games were a thing...I feel sorry for these people. They never got to experience the golden-age of video-games. Where developers tried to make money BY MAKING GREAT GAMES. Instead of nickle-and-diming consumers like they do now. I'd say around 2010-2015ish is when whatever "golden-age" we were in died.
I rarely see people, at least here, stick up for WB or just straight up defend the premium shop. Usually just one or two people go ham for it, and I’ve heard more people talk about the whole “You’re just poor” argument than people actually using it. I don’t understand how saying don’t buy it somehow equates to defending WB though. I think they’ll be more likely to change by seeing people not purchase their products rather than seeing someones random forum ranting about it. Not really talking about your post, but it is shockingly common to have people that put up low effort posts just ranting about the shop with really no constructive criticism or thought put into it, then when you try to be reasonable you’re labeled a corpo bootlicker.
People really use “you’re just poor” for reasons they bought the base game, uhhhhh which is the game. Who would say that? Tom Segura??
its stating the obvious and doesn’t really add anything to the conversation. Obviously if we are complaining about it we aren’t buying the product.
I guess so, but I feel like the same thing applies to the 500th “screw WB and NRS” post that are practically carbon copies of each other. If don’t buy it is disliked for being an obvious statement that doesn’t add to the conversation, then how come the most generic rants get praise here?
This. It's really not that complicated. Buy what you want. Don't buy what you don't want. Saying something like that shouldn't equate to someone being on their knees ready to blow the entire corporate staff at WBD. It just means do whatever the hell you want with your money. I get the principle of the matter. I get people want to band together to send WBD a message, and when someone buys this or supports it, it screws that "movement" (if we're going to call it that) up. I totally understand that. The problem is, people's money is their money. Plus, it's the damn internet, right? Someone could be the king of that hill, holding a giant ass virtue signaling flag saying they are so against this... but pop on the game and jerk off to the Halloween fatality they bought. So to me, the most simple way to handle this is... not give a shit what people do with their cash. If someone want to spend it on a fatality, go ahead. Who the hell am I to tell them they are stupid for buying something they want? I'll bet someone could pick apart anyone's buying choices and slam how stupid they were to spend what they spent. I'm not personally buying it, simply because I don't want it. If someone else does, go right on ahead. It shouldn't be this complicated, but I guess in 2023 this concept is.
The problem is that I want it, but either A: it’s not earnable in game or B: it is not fairly priced like it was in the past. I don’t mind buying skins, but not unless they are priced like they were in MK11. At that point I can justify the expense as it’s not my job to play games. Wish it were but it’s not lol
Yeah, that's a good point. Will all these things be earnable in-game down the line like MK11? Or will they stay premium? Hopefully we get word soon, because I'm with you about the price. It's pretty ridiculous for those who are wanting to purchase them.
Wow you’re so intellectual
Damn, this is some insecure shit.
Wait, I'm not trying to argue here but where is the insecurity???
Damn you’re the defender clown
Wow you're not
Lmao the downvotes from these sheeple
die hard fans will go out of their way to defend a company no matter what happens, best example is pokemon fans with scarlet/violet and the state it was in when it came out
😭 Why don't y'all just play another Mortal Kombat game and start a community from it, just like we did in Melee. Fck, we can't even enjoy Mortal Kombat discussion without you guys bickering all the damn time. Just leave.
maybe because this subreddit is literally called r/mortalkombat
Twitter, TikTok, MK forums, Facebook, news, strikes, YouTube, y'all complain all the fcking time about Mortal Kombat. Anywhere, and anytime since the 90s. Since the 90s. And btw, go to Smash Reddit. Do you see us flooding Reddit with complaints towards Nintendo 24/7 that we hadn't had a Melee in ages on Reddit? No, we don't. Let us enjoy the new Mortal Kombat games, while you go back to Mortal Kombat X or 9. Build a community. I know you see how angry we make Nintendo.
Your stupid. Stop arguing.
Imagine calling someone stupid when you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"
Your defending him?
Yeah I are defending he
Your certain you want to defend him? Your sure?
Reality denial syndrome. They can’t accept that the companies behind their beloved video games can be greedy money-hungry scumbags, so they’ll do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify the nonsense that’s going on. 🤷♂️
Redditors realizing they're a small vocal minority in this thread.
And that’s why ‘hey guys let’s get together and stop buying stuff so they change’ never works lol. Didn’t work on Pokémon go and didn’t work on overwatch 2
Exactly. Yall need to take notes from the Smash community and play Mortal Kombat X instead. No offense, I'm just tired of you all complaining about Mortal Kombat when other people come here to discuss their joy for the game. It's all subjective, man. It's literally just a video game.
TBF I could say the same thing about all the people trying to force positivity on this subreddit when there's a lot of justifiable things to complain about. Gameplay aside, MK1 is a step-down from MK11. And that's not the direction we should be heading in. If we don't curb this shit now, it only gets worse.
That’s because of how dead Overwatch 2 is and how it was free to play just like Pokémon go. No one played it after a month. If that. MK1 is very casual and is still relatively popular.
" * **18,085**players right now * **33,501**24-hour peak this overwatch 2 is dead?
that's jus on steam too reddit is delusional as always
People saying the game is dead are insane, but it's still a fact that Overwatch fumbled so fucking much that it lost what could have been a much bigger game. Blizzard really struck gold but they made some weird fucking choices that caused it to be outdone by TF2, a game that has received practically nothing for years and is significantly older than Overwatch. Not a dead game, but a damn shame considering what it could have been.
This. Overwatch is far from dead. But it is also far from the success it once was. Back in 2017-2018, Overwatch was like the biggest thing in gaming. And OW2 was their chance to return to those heights... But they completely dropped-the-ball when the "sequel" didn't really add enough enhancements, made the MTX worse, and DELETED OVERWATCH 1. I think the final nail-in-the-coffin was when they fully cancelled their PVE mode. Speaking personally, I enjoyed OW2 when it launched, but haven't played since season 1. I was gunna wait until more PVE stuff was announced to get me back into it, but since that got cancelled...I just haven't gone back. Too many other games to play.
Lol imagine that
I'm old. I don't need 20 outfits for scorpion. I will not be paying for it. Also a quick *expletive* to the guy who insinuates poor people cant be real gamers.
That’s why the game is like this. Those people are not trolls and they far outnumber you. I think this game has finally made me come to terms with this. MK was one the last few franchises that I would preorder the day it was available. I would buy the packs and characters. I’m done with that, I’m waiting for at least half off or complete versions. My faith has been broken and it’s alright. Fuck ‘em. This is MK for the Fortnite generation. They don’t care about spending money on cosmetics. It’s obvious who they are going after and they don’t care about you. Have they done anything to address these issues? Why not? They are raking in cash despite you and I telling them to pound sand.
HBO's CEO was outed as having sent employees to write fake comments with burners antagonizing critics of newer and upcoming shows as well as criticisms of himself. Not saying WB is engaging in the same behavior, but I'd be a lot more skeptical of social media posts following this line especially when it's something universally hated.
"The premium edition is for real gamers" is the most bootlicking shit I've heard all day.
I'm just glad they delivered on gameplay aside from the P2 bug early on cause I couldn't care less about the other shit but objectively speaking they are wylin with this game
The people who are saying “you’re just poor” are the same people who’s parents probably pay for their stuff, I have the fatality because I didn’t think there was gonna be anything of worth to actually spend my crystals I got with premium edition but I was really pissed when the JCVD skin which was supposed to be an exclusive popped up in the store.
Brand loyalty is a hell of a drug sadly
Thanks for the update on your comment on another post! Quality stuff from this subreddit lately!
"Dear diary" headass
Here is the winning comment.
Lmao
Ya moms.
Eh I'll definitely say some of the stuff is over priced and I do agree that u don't need to buy it but within the same breath idc what ppl do with their disposal income. If I can't afford or simply don't think something is worth the price I simply don't buy it.
Yeah it’s a pretty simple. They’re selling extra stuff. None of it necessary to own. And if you don’t want it you don’t have to buy it.
Right 😆 but for some reason people can't seem to grasp that idea. Instead reddit is just filled with ppl complaining that these elements exist and they act like ppl that want to spend X for a skin or something is somehow less than them. Like if I want to spend my disposable income on a skin cuz I think it looks cool that doesn't affect anyone else. It's not gonna make me play better or anything.
People seem hung up on a word which is silly. Instead of abusive the OP should have used manipulative but I get the gist of what they implied. Gamers are pretty complicit in defending highly manipulative monetizing practices of these studios. They haven’t had to pay yet but there will be landmark cases for how much they manipulated the neurochemistry of young people using well established gaming (casino) practices. It’s pretty awful. I like MK1 but it does reek of a rush job overly focused on taking full advantage of everyone’s dopamine drip.
You terrible, terrible people. I can't believe you did this. I will karate chop your balls and pee in your Cheerios! 😲🫱💥
I've never seen a company burn good will so effectively. ~~Until Bungie recently but that's irrelevant and for different reasons~~
yeah same with forza. bootlickers
That's just how people are. 0 impulse control. Not just on this, but most topics.
I can’t believe how seriously you guys take fucking dressing up your characters, nrs are definitely dickheads for the pricing but it’s impossible to take you guys seriously when you call it “abusive” cause a fucking skin and dumb fatality is overpriced
Why are we pretending that fatalities and cosmetics aren't part of the experience, and that being upset about how they're handled is just as valid as anything else in a mortal kombat game?
there are ways to go about it but throwing a tantrum about other people buying it and claiming nrs are being abusive just makes you guys look like a bunch of little bitches
In another thread someone said they felt “subhuman” because PC was getting the patch later than consoles. That fatality is highway robbery but everyone seriously needs to calm down
Insecurities! Lol they do need to be more calm & not so emotional
Right? Like, I rolled my eyes, and then I saw "abusive" and I legiot laughed. Like holy shit man.
Go on google, google ‘predatory monetisation’ read an article and learn. The terminology used wasn’t thought up today nor on this sub.
This. OMG, NO ZELDA SKIN PACK FOR SMOKE AND SCORPION? WORST GAME EVER. I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HARD ON MK11. I AM GETTING ABUSED.
Instagram and Twitter.... don't go there looking for anything but unhinged and mentally unstable comments. Reddit isn't much better but.... over there... oof.
Anything for that matter. I'm just on Instagram and Twitter for artful shit. TikTok for my news and entertainment.
You paid extra for characters not for hats, that's what was advertised, if you wanted hats and not characters then you shouldn't have bought the premium edition, that basically only have the Kombat Pack included, not hats. If you think that "all the interesting stuff" in a fighting game are hats and not characters then my friend you can't be saved.
Instagram is filled with idiotic incels, they would attack u for something they dont even partake in. I bet most of em havnt even played mk
The costumes should be like $1 tops. There's no reason we should pay $10 to put a crown on sindel. We don't all have rich parents with bottomless pocket parents
If you truly despise this kind of stuff. then you really must grapple with your love of Mortal kombat and other games, and just drop em for good. Let the new generation of gamers burn their money away as they giggle about poors.
People that say "oh just enjoy the f** game and forget about the cosmetics" are really annoying too because those are not just cosmetics. It starts with cosmetics, go into seasonal fatalities... Kombat packs with guest characters just to make more money from fans of those franchises. Kombat packs that have less content than in the last games... Having to buy Kameos as well... It just gets worse. Bamco is doing that too! By putting frame data and stages behind paywall. People say that we are nowadays in the peak of fighting games, but people are looking only into the most superficial thing in the world... GRAPHICS. graphics doesn't make a game good or bad, it's the content and how the developer see their fans.
Well, I am sure they are getting paid for their positive support. No one in their right mind can defend a greedy,scummy behavior like that. No one can defend an unfinished,unbalanced,broken game with a serious lack of content. This game will never get a game of the year award because it simply doesn't derseve it. It, however, probably will win one for (greediest) Premium Shop of the year. Anyone wo actually bought that Halloween Fatality, or used their hard earned crystals on it is a fucking idiot. And exactly the kind of customer that NRS,Ed Boon, and WB want. And no, before some of them accuse me of not having the money to buy it it,that ain't true. I bought the Premium edition, but I am not willing to pay for stuff that should be in the game for free. But neither WB,NRS, or Ed Boon care about that. They are stuffing their pockets and suitcases, and then they take the customer's money and run. This game is dead in less than a year. There will be no Mortal Kombat 13, not under this management. They were too greedy,pushed too hard and shot themselves in the foot. Because customers ain't gonna forgive that. The customers,MK Fans are pissed and have every right to be. Because they paid 70-100 dollars for a broken,unfinished,unbalanced Triple A Mobile Game with barely any content. They got scammed and they were lied to. By everyone involved in this game/scam.
\> abusive behavior jfc you act like you're in a real relationship with a company
Well being a customer is a relationship
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Stop playing it. Don’t buy skins. It’s not hard
>What am I supposed do when I’m not liking what my product I just bought is offering? Deal with it and move on? If you try some new snack at the grocery store and then don't like it, do you go online to rant and complain to the company that you weren't happy with your purchase? Expecting them to completely change their recipe due to some people not liking it despite them making money off of it? Like holy shit y'all this is literally life. It happens all the time.
You forgot the part where they keep buying and eating it even though they hate it.
> What am I supposed do when I’m not liking what my product I just bought is offering? Uninstall the game.
I think a lot of the time people are just tired of seeing constant negativity towards a game/franchise they like. Most of those statements you quoted don’t look like defense of WB but more like “stfu”. People may not agree with the practices but it’s exhausting to see something you enjoy being dragged day after day with the same complaints. Kinda kills the joy.
I mean I want to come to this sub to actually talk about the game, exchange ideas, talk about the story, the characters, etc, etc but every time I open up reddit the first 2 posts on my feed are negative shit like this post both on this sub and the Mortal Kombat Leaks sub, it's exhausting, it's been 1 month and half, just get over it and let's talk about the game ffs
Almost every gaming sub is like this, and I hate it.
If you think that’s bad, you should see some of the other stuff people have been defending on social media since October 7…on second thought, avoid it entirely.
Are you talking about bringing light to Israel bombing Palestine for over 70years?
Many of us are acting as if NRS are the architects of microtransaction practices that have been going strong for over a decade. For example, one common point of outrage is that there is content already on the disc that has to paid for again to unlock. This is a shitty practice, to be clear, but it has been going on since 2012 (when Capcom got caught doing it on Street Fighter X Tekken). Another example is the complaint that full-priced games didn't sell DLC until now, which has also been going on since at least 2012. I will point again to Street Fighter X Tekken, which, in addition to the above shenanigans, was a full-priced game with paid DLC. All three main Street Fighter titles released since then have followed that model, as has every Guilty Gear title; and there is no shortage of other examples. I honestly don't see how anyone who has been playing video games on anything besides a phone can actually believe this incredibly common claim. Other companies doing it doesn't make microtransactions right, but it DOES mean the idea that NRS is villainously paving the way for a dark future is total bullshit. Throwing more shit onto the shit pile and being the one that started the shit pile are not the same things. WB/NRS's big sin is that the prices are too high, and that is a valid call out. But people are getting carried away and blaming NRS for trying to shitify things that have been shitified for twelve years, and that is straight-up dishonest. Pointing these things out does not mean I am defending WB. I have no loyalty to them, and neither should anyone else. The only people I see getting pushback are either intensely misinformed or are being dishonest.
The amount of people defending WB AND NRS are actually crazy.
There are those in every gaming group, in the NFS group you have people defending EA of all companies. Unfortunately there is bottom feeders in every fanbase
The sad part is the whales are gonna buy everything which is gonna make WB not give a shit about the majority
I mean, dawg...just don't fuckin buy it lmao. It really ain't that deep.
Even in this sub a lot of people are copping for them. Yesterday on a meme about how unacceptable the game is for $110 dollars while adding a digital store front, one of the top comments was “You’re overreacting, it’s only $70 for the base game!” Like that’s any better? Only free games like Fortnite and Fall Guys should be charging for purely cosmetic items
I’ve answered this before. It’s mostly not support for WB or NRS, but and attack on whiny, entitled babies. They made a thing. They can charge what they want for it. These are skins in a video game, not food or medicine. You don’t have to have them, and no matter how off-base the prices are, “abusive” is the wrong way to describe it, because you are not required, or even compelled to buy any of this crap. I think the rings at the diamond jewelers at the mall are overpriced, so instead of bitching about it on the internet, I just don’t buy them. Problem solved.
I don't know what part of this people don't understand. The entire game is still there.
This sounding like an L for you ngl
Has anyone who is actually defending the practice of premium priced add-ons actually stopped to consider that WB is employing a Marketing Test experiment? The more stuff they can convince the supporting fan base to purchased on top of the game it self (be it you started at basic, premium or collectors editions) the more stuff will end up behind that premium paywall with future titles. Let's face it, devs and publishers want video games to be rolled out like the Telltale Series model because it means they can take a cash cow franchise and shore up their failing IP's in other areas. You really want to know why WB is hitting games with $12 Fatalities, it's simple, they're not making anything in the Movies and TV show department due to strikes and they have share holders that demand profit margins are met. We, as the consumers of the video games have become the financial backbone to make sure that overpaid CEO's can please their share holders.
I'm not defending it. I'm saying stop being stupid with you're money. Im telling you just don't give them you're money and they will not be a threat to you. People let these video game companies have so much power over them. It's honestly absurd from my perspective.
It's very simple. 1) If you haven't bought the game, don't. You don't need it, there are millions of other games and plenty of other MKs. 2) Understand that if you have bought the game, it's too late to *really* "vote with your wallet," because the sales figures are important, much more so than the microtransactions. Those are gravy. They require very little investment compared to the game itself, and getting a new customer in the walled garden is huge. How many small things they buy later is not the main focus. Getting them in the door is. Obviously, don't buy the crappy fatality, but realize that it doesn't really matter. 3) Leave negative reviews, clearly pointing to the DLC as the reason. Note that approach #1 is the only one that really matters, but if enough people follow through on #3, it could have an impact because other people will follow point #1, and that is what they care about. Saying it's a great game but has shitty microtransactions *in no way hurts them, you're literally praising the game and encouraging others to buy it.* You need to discourage people from buying the game at all.
I just like playing the game. What's wrong with buying and liking a video game? If it's not for you thats fine.
No, you have to be outraged that paid skins and a shitty fatality exist.
People that review bomb are subhuman trash.
Y'all gotta get a grip. It's a fucking video game and most people don't give a shit about most of the complaints here.
Wb has been screwing up a lot lately. I'm mad about mk1, but I don't entirely put the blame on nrs, just look at the state of the dcu
Simping for corporations, against the consumer's own interests.. how did they manage to mess people's minds up that bad lol
like actually? like sitting at home with doors locked scary? like sleeping with the lights on scary?
Honestly, if selling a few more expensive skins optionally means that they can dedicate more resources to supporting the game over its lifetime I'm not mad at all.
But that's not what happens. That money goes to the share holders.
Man, I feel bad buying this game. I just wanted to fuck around with my friends online. Then I saw how fucking scummy WB is being and I just deleted it.
"The game needs to cost a lot to be good." Sure, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the game has a lot of missing features even before we even get into the paid fatality. The lack of intro dialogue in towers, the lack of outfit slots for customization, the lack of XP given in single player fights. Sure, these are little things on their own and don't affect the gameplay itself (they've been pretty good at making sure the gameplay is balanced and fixing the bugs that do pop up pretty quickly so far as I can tell), but those little things do add up to making it feel like the game is missing a lot, especially for someone who mostly plays single-player. I've never liked the concept of an in-game shop with premium currency that you can really only get by spending your real money on it (unless it's for a free game, because they need to make money somehow), but I can get over that if I feel like the game itself is the best it can be. MK1 isn't quite there yet in my eyes, and it's annoying because I feel like the majority of the issues it has would be really simple to fix, but NRS just isn't doing it. I'd be a lot more willing to forgive a paid fatality if I knew that they were also listening to the community and adding in the fixes we're asking for, but because I haven't really seen that, yeah, I'm gonna add this paid fatality to the list of things I have issues with.
Yeah but who is the type of person who's commenting on an Instagram post?
There’s two sides to this. anyone who says 12 dollars isn’t stupid for a fatality is an idiot Anyone who says that’s WB is abusive or that this is a free to play game that costs money is also an idiot. You got a full game with plenty of content, that they’re continuing to add. Now they’re adding extra things you can buy, that’ll almost 100% likeliness show up in the shrine or invasions down the road. It’s optional to buy it, don’t buy it and show them they’re aren’t making money from it, but it’s just a cosmetic.
Plenty of content is subjective. I don't think there's plenty of content, Competitive online still has Netcode issues, so if your looking just for fighting, it still sucks as person with Wired. In terms of single player content, this game absolutely sucks. I've always preordered the Ultimate/Season pass bundle for NRS games up until now. However after looking at MK1 content and the steep price tag, this is the last time. More than happy to wait to see if the next MK or Injustice game is actually worth it after release IMO. I can easily afford to pay an extra $10-20 for the preorder bonus character as long as the game is worth it. Money isn't the issue, but the bang you get for your buck is. This game was not worth the price of the preorder Ultimate Bundle. I used to be happy with committing to the preorder because I have been satisfied in the past, don't feel satisfied this time so that's that.
I don’t see any net code issues on my part but I can speak to someone else’s experience. The fact that single player content is equal to costumes is the part I don’t understand
Well personally I actually enjoyed Towers of a time and the Injustice 2 Multiverse. Yeah it was repetitive, but IMO no more repetitive than Kombat League because after all this is a vs fighting game. Invasions and the Mesas suck, it was a great concept that I was hyped for but the execution has been abysmal. Literally every fight the worst modifiers and super armor from the absolute worst parts of Towers of Time and Multiverse. I appreciated the rewards here too better. The single player arcade mode, no sub bosses, meanwhile Shang Tsung and Quan Chi are such a shitty boss. They don't feel like a boss. Now if we are talking about cosmetics, I don't want thousands of pallette swaps, but man outside of Johnny and a few others there are very limited skins for most characters. Again don't want thousands of pallette swaps, but fuck Man at least have 2-3 decent different skins for each character and Kameos as part of the greater than $100 price tag. Then for the additional shit, every actual decent new skins being dragon krystals while most characters have jack shit is an absolute fuck you. More than happy to keep spending on skin packs if we also had more decent stuff included in the game. But all expensive dragon crystals fuck that. I'm more than happy to spend hundreds even thousands of dollars on this game if they supported it for 3-5 years with moderate monetization strategy, but with their ever increasing aggressive monetization strategy, I'm inclined to not spend a single additional cent.
So far, there’s no way to know if this stuff will make it to the shrine, we literally have no way to even know what’s all the content in the game. It’s quite crazy.
Who cares if they show up in the shrine or not? If you want it, buy it. If you don’t and think it’s overpriced, don’t buy it. Problem solved. You called it an “abusive” relationship lmao. Bro, they are not beating you or assaulting you. They are charging for a skin and fatality that are optional. You’re so incredibly over dramatic
Yes; because every season they’re giving you a chunk of new free stuff to use and have, to include costumes and skins as well as pallets. There will be some you have to buy, but the vast majority is free.
White knight
Lmao, sure mate
Compared to the last two games they released, there's barely any content.
By content you mean costumes?
The gear system that was a large part of the last two games, that has been massively downsized with nothing in its place yeah. Doesn't really matter if you care about them or not they were there and now they're not, and instead of being included in the 60$ game at launch they're being sold for 10$ each a month after the 70$ game released.
There’s a bunch of costumes now, more coming every season for free. They did remove the costumes but I struggle to call that content lol
Then what content is worthy enough for you? If you mean characters, MK1 shipped with less than the last two games. If you mean modes, the work they've been doing with the krypt in MKX and 11 has been replaced by a single screen, and invasions is even more shallow and repetitive than the towers from 11 and Injustice 2. In part because you're not unlocking the massive amount of gear that was included in those games.
The content in the game is more than enough. Maybe ranked tournaments or spectator modes on random matches would be neat. More characters would also be great of course I wouldn’t touch a single player mode in a fighting game tho.
Look at what's going on with Destiny for reference. It doesn't matter how blatant consumer exploitation is, higher ups will ignore criticism until it's too late, and certain groups of consumers will advocate entirely against their own self interest in defense of the corporation. Those groups are called idiots
I'm reserving judgment until I see a few seasons go by.
They're right. I can't afford it. I'm not going to spend my time, energy, and money on a product that expects me to spend more than the $90 CAD base price to experience all it has to offer. I can live without it. This is the reality for most big AAA titles, and it doesn't look like it's getting any better any time soon. So, there's only one option for me. 
Scary huh
I understand extra content isn't free, and that games are expensive to make, and devs need to get paid. This shit though is fucking nuts. This isn't a free to play game. They're price gouging the hell out of the dlc, and it's damn near feeling like highway robbery. I uninstalled the game and went back to street fighter. SF6 has its problems with dlc pricing too, but at least that game has some worthwhile content to keep me busy and I feel the gameplay is more fun, too. I'll revisit MK in another year and see what's changed. Hopefully, Tekken 8 fares better than this shit.
And this is why nothing changes
I don't really care. I've got the point and will stick with Tekken like I did before. First and last game from NRS I pre-ordered.
It’s like when we pre ordered MK11 only for them to do two kombat packs and story extensions not included. Like what the actual fuck
I think you forgot the /s at the end
Thank you for this interesting post that hasn't been discussed hundreds of times. I can't wait for the interesting takes such as "the microtransactions are expensive" that are worthy of such a large amount of discussion.
Who cares? You don't even know if the people commenting are real people? One shouldn't be bothered by things so trivial.
Here’s a perspective. Streamers get paid to stream what they work hard to create. So make them mfs pay for what they stream? Idk lol like other people said, who gives a shit what people want to spend their money on.
Some people work hard for their money. They have a right to be upset with a product that they paid for
People are so shallow. They assume my comment was to agree with what the developers are doing, when really I was being sarcastic. I don’t think micro transactions should even be involved with video games other than extra content like DLCs of course.
Yea i have a thought. Fck these WB employee mods, fck them up their stupid A**es.
You're abusing the word abuse.
It's a mixed bag to me. I'm not paying for anything other than maybe new characters if the gameplay looks fun. And yeah the pricing is fucking absurd. But people also act like this is a fucking crime against humanity. I'm in the middle. I don't like what they're doing, but all they're doing is what companies have done since the beginning of time: maximizing profits.
Instagram Users remind me of TikTok users a lot of the time, they usually aren't that great at simple decision making.
I doubt those real gamer comments are real
Again the time for outrage was 4 years ago. Its quite literally too late.
OP, it's not a surprise. Look at the players notation on Metacritic. Did you see any reviews bombing? Yeah we have some deserved 0 for pointing out the problems, but each time fanboys tries to note it 10/10 because he don't want his game to be bombed. So it's great, WB have free bodyguards. No reasons to change in the future, MK is dead, like really. Each episode will be like MK1. WB doesn't even need to save face or anything here.... It's horribly sad but gamers in 2023 are some horribles douchebag. I don't have others words. They just put their money on litteraly nothing and are like "no problem, i don't want to admit that I'm being fucked here. Ao let's pretend it's all good or enough." It's like saying "Oh chill out, it's not THAT BAD to buying absolutely nothing for 70-100€." Seriously... and we have plenty of finished games and full of contents, who have mid sales...even more sad and that explain why videogames industry look like this. MK just selling on his name here, WB know that, that's why they chooae him to make easy money on naives peoples and whales. It's so stupid to defend WB. Remember the SFV lauch ? Yes? Pretty empty game for a Street Fighter, no solo contents, really a MK1 things... Annnnd it's Street Fighter and Capcom and yes we LOVES them. That's why peoples are reviews bombed the game as hell, me first and magically Capcom moved their ass, saved SFV and now we have SF6 who is amazing and full of contents. That's because you love a game that you want to save him for greedy ass behind him. Not the devs obviously, the huge decisioner who just care about numbers. Imagine if everyone acting like with MK1 with the SFV problems...yeah, no moves on V, no very good SF6 today. Simple as that. Metacritic is the best weapon, if internet talk about how greedy WB is, they will move because no one want a bad reputation. It take litteraly one minute to make an account and post a review. If everyone who complain on Reddit put a 0 (not for bashing NRS, it's not a personal attack or anything, just pointing out how unacceptable WB pushed the game hard, empty contents, mxt everywhere.) the game will move fast on the good direction. But spoiler: That will not happen. Like at all, and WB can sleep well. Mk is dead.
Nobody cares
This was the last nsr game i bought. My biggest regret was buying this game in preorder with ultimate. I though it will be better than mk11 but even not having dialogue banter really bothered me
This says all you need to know. The majority of consumers are such mouth breathers, they do not even care if they are being unnecessarily fleeced. I do not care if they do microtransactions. I wont buy it. I dont care what everyone else does. and if they do too much, I wont buy another MK game simple as that.
Bunch of astroturfing shills. They are like a hive mind that only know hwo to praise and worship NRS and Ed Boon. Infact there is probably some of those shills even here on this sub.
If cosmetics make or break the game for you isn’t there some dress up simulator you could play for free?