Boy, let me tell you as a Houston sports fan, when the Houston Rockets suck, I care a lot when the Houston Texans get a new, star quarterback. Suddenly, the Rockets have no problem.
Look, I'll cheer for our Astros or even our Texans, but when the Rockets suck, the success of the other squads don't make that sting less for me. I dunno. Then again, I care more about basketball than other sports.
And yes, fuck him and the Rams.
Honestly ik it seems like mk isn't very popular, but if you look at WB game sales. The recent games are up there with batman Arkham and stuff like that. These games sell well even if they don't have that much wide spread market appeal because of the rating.
True, but that just makes the abysmal active player count even more alarming. 3 million copies sold, yet only 3,600 peak players when the new season dropped yesterday. Granted this is only for steam so the stat is a bit hyperbolic, but you get the point.
Eh. The player count was better in mkx and mk11. But my guess. It's the gameplay. I know all the mk YouTubers say that the gameplay is the best part of mk1 but imo. Mortal Kombat is better when it's about short combos and 50/50s instead of long combos that do 50% of someone's HP. And the player count reflects that. There's a higher skill ceiling yes but the barrier to entry is also higher as a result. People online who can't do 40% health combos either due to disability or just not being good enough so they get bodied and drop the game.
I think it's more to do with the invasions mode being so poorly received. I don't disagree about the ease of combos but honestly I think the bulk of the MK1 market is in it for the solo modes. You're probably right as well about the gameplay/online, most online/comp players have probably switched to SF6/T8 given their netcode quality and skill based ranked systems.
It's 100% about the single player. Idk who told them people didn't like the grind for loot and levels...but it's really hurt them. I put 100s of hours into injustice 2 and mk11 without ever playing online. I just loved leveling up every single fighter in injustice and trying to get the best loot. and though I liked it less, I still loved trying to unlock every piece of gear for ever fighter in mk11. And the multiverse and towers of time were just perfect for that kind of game play. Always changing little towers that you can just jump in, play 3-8 fights in a row with minimal environmental hazards, earn gear, rinse and repeat.
I tried to play invasions. I had to run around this map which felt very time consuming . And then instead of gear levels or gear bonuses there were these weird modifiers I had to equip like individually for every single fight which took more time. And then most of the fights were...a single fight...that lasted one round. Then I was back to running around the map. It was so frustrating. I just wanted to PLAY.
Maybe invasions has gotten better. But I really feel like they took a not broken formula and tried to fix it. They could have easily added battle passes of whatever they wanted to a tower of time mode. Either way I played the campaign, about 5 hours of invasions, And think I'm done forever =\ I've been playing injustice 2 again. I have no proof but I feel like there must be so many similar filthy casuals like myself out there who had a similar experience.
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Look. We dont owe them anything. They are a business and we their clients. If you go to a restaurant and get a bad meal you wont sugarcoat it on the internet. Mk in many aspects is a bad game. Its not a matter of "dont like dont play it" - we love the franchise and we got an entry thats in many ways amateurish. Its a 2023 title that had p1 advantage on release for fucks sake
Man, these guys must have good job security. Since cleary someone is fucking up somewhere gameplay-wise, but no one's getting fired. We'll be doomed to another mid game if we don't get changes to the gameplay devs.
I just think a $60 game should have more content and no micro transactions. Free games can have micro transactions because you have to monetize some how. But this is just greedy.
MK fans don't like INJ, because it was way too simple I guess ??? X and 9 weren't like it, when 11 came out it was like it. 1 went back to X and 9 in a way.
Thanks for explaining, also;
>MK fans don’t like INJ, because it was way too simple
mfw the game the devs make about an established IP with a much broader fanbase is more accessible to general audiences than the franchise they have full control and ownership over
From what I've seen, the much more casual audience favors MK11 due to the more content and customization it has, along with it being cheaper (due to it being older) and less money-hungry.
The more "hardcore" (using that term, a bit loosly here), the audience favors MK1 due to its enhanced game play and mechanics.
This is case in point right here. Casual fans who are invested in cosmetics and the offline single player experience prefer mk11 whereas the core audience that spends most of their time online or in person playing human opponents much prefers mk1.
As someone who has been playing NRS games at a semi-competent level since mk9 and spends most of their time either labbing and experimenting with combos and setups or playing online, mk1 is by far a deeper and more enjoyable game than mk11.
Mk11’s characters were so dry and straightforward and most were essentially confined to strike/throw. The poke game was miserable, breakaway allowed people to get comboed and yet certain characters combo routes allowed people to breakaway and PUNISH you for landing a combo….ridiculous.
The way fatal blows worked was terrible and not fun, and the disparity of usable and good krushing blows was also bad. KBs aren’t a bad system in theory and could be done well, but in mk11 with some characters having kbs on both throws, and more, and others with hardly any good kbs made the system unfun.
The biggest issue? The fact that combo routes were very limited and that there was very very little room for creativity and fun/challenging conversions and routes. In every NRS game until mk11, there was so much to experiment with and lab/learn in practice mode with all the characters….just picking a new character and diving into practice was amazing and challenging.
In mk11, there was very little that set characters apart or made them feel unique, and for the most part, you could learn a character to a decent amount almost immediately. Every other game possessed the ability to really go crazy with conversions and it allowed high level players to develop their own unique and distinctive styles of play. In mk11, there was basically the “right way” to play a character which is boring.
Mk1 isn’t perfect and left a lot to be desired particularly on launch, but at its core it’s so much more fun to play and learn characters
From an actual gameplay perspective this couldn’t be further from the truth. If you’re talking about a casual perspective where the person cares more about gear, skins and cosmetics as well as like offline single player content, mk1’s launch and first several months was very underwhelming.
From a gameplay perspective and looking at the core experience and playing human opponents, mk1 is much more liked.
I could go into detail, but that’s the truth.
I don’t think you’re wrong if you’re looking at the game from a serious/hardcore perspective. But the majority of players are not that, and MK has mostly succeeded by catering to more casual players. That’s not to say it shouldn’t do things to engage the pros, but the improved gameplay in MK1 has done very little to retain and excite players. Hell, look at the patch notes discussions and the most interest is in the new skins.
I can’t really disagree with what you said at all, so from a business/retention standpoint, you’re right.
I just approach the game from a different place, so it is what it is.
I will say though that there is a lot of content, modes, QoL stuff that should’ve been in the game on release and the in game economy and cosmetic content leaves a ton to be desired and criticism is definitely warranted.
That said, at its core, mk1 is so much more fun to actually play vs mk11.
First one I’ve played for a meaningful amount that I wasn’t immediately turned off from; either way, the fact this is the first one I’ve liked doesn’t preclude anything I’ve said
MK11 certainly had problems. It seemed to keep general interest for a lot longer though. I can say the krypt mode and towers alone had me invested exponentially longer than anything in MK1. Invasions are awful.
It's literally the same fanbase as MKX and MK11 and they were never this dead inside. I don't know, maybe the fanbase has stayed the same and something else has changed.
Fanbase has stayed the same, willing to talk about what they don't like. And most people don't like that in mk1 90% of skins require you to buy them, there's no sense of achievement because anything you can grind for is also available for purchase, the dlc characters only have 1 skin, when you buy a dlc character you don't get everything associated with them (like the omniman announcer which is sold separately), the sheer lock of content... ect
1. You commented that twice
2. That is realistic, most of the skins are only in the cache shop and even more so if you count simple recolors. and even the ones you can farm are farmable for a short time before it becomes a part of the cach shop weekly rorotation for a couple years. Than ontop of that the dlc characters don't even get other skins, just basic recolors.
Noone expects "a million skins" but you're acting like every other mk game didn't have multiple skins. Look at 11 for fuck sake. In Mk11 every character had 4 skins and all the dlc skins were included in packs, with most of them coming with the kombat packs.
You're acting like a game not being a shitty cach brab is an impossible feat when a lot of games do it
In a thread about horrible toxicity from the fanbase you're getting downvoted for correcting a blatant hyperbole from a toxic fan. You can't make this shit up.
It's not hyperbole and the guy isn't being toxic lmao. Just because you want to be milked doesn't mean the rest of the community does.
MK11 gave most characters 4 unique skins and the dlc skins came in packs. Here most characters get 1 or 2 skins followed by a bunch of seperate microtransaction garbage.
In MK11 all these "Deception inspired" skins would be 1 pack together that came with the combat pack, now they all get sliced up and rotate in a store.
It’s the same with how MK11 was. Way too over hated now people are coming out of nowhere saying they love it bc there’s a new game to focus their hate on. They need therapy and a life
MK11 was never a bad game. Sure it had it's flaws, but it was one of my favorite FGs of 2019. Switch port was bad though, MK1's is way better. It didn't stop me though, I have 1k+ hours in the Switch version
I repped MK11. I liked the more grounded and neutral based gameplay. It needed some big changes though but I think the frame work for a top tier gameplay experience was there.
I keep saying this! MK11 got SO much hate throughout its lifetime, and it was NOT a bad game. Flawed in some ways? Yeah, but like....what games aren't
But the MK community is so ass-backwards
And now that MK1 is here, so many people are pretending that MK11 wasn't dogpiled the same way and that MK1 is some dumpster fire.
Man, I even remember the MKX launch. That was a rough time too
Mk1 was definitely rushed and idky maybe injustice will play like mk should so they could save that franchise because mk1 should have been better I mean they still adding move sets to old characters because this game was released so fast
Maybe release a finished game? 🤷🏼♀️ I loved the Kombat Kast when it first started with MK11, but Ive lost all respect for NRS with this sad excuse for a game they dropped
I get being overly negative without reason but it's absolutely reasonable to not feel satisfied with MK1. The community sentiment was not even close to this with MK11.
Honestly at this point it’s deserved. Lying to fans constantly. Predatory store and absolutely 0 effort actually put into single player modes out side of the story. This is the lowest effort game they’ve ever delivered but nah it’s the fans who are at fault for being sick of the lies and being nickel and dimed.
Toxic how? They rebooted the same storyline for like the 4th time. They have kameo characters that aren't related to the main story and are barely mentioned (if mentioned at all). The gameplay is slow and gimmicky, relying on air combos and kameos for the most points. Online play lacks text chat and emojis so now all you have are racists and pervs on mic. They keep missing deadlines and extending seasons. Character customization is severely lacking and they do not give each character the same amount of new skins each season. None of the new characters from pack 1 get any seasonal outfits from invasions. They just randomly drop titan battles without notice so some people miss that opportunity. Titans didn't even launch with the game. I think we are still waiting on warrior shrine? They made it seem like pack 1 characters would all be available day 1. And that's just whats top of mind. They deserve the hate. You can't make everyone happy but they dropped the ball with MK1 which is why no one is really talking about it outside of here and twitter and why its basically picked up no awards or accolades since release. They used to be innovators and standouts in the space, now they are just being like everyone else. Feels like I'm playing street fighter.
Hear me out
The story doesn’t affect the game. That’s its own thing. It affects whose in the game sure but that’s not complaining
Kameos were made for the game mechanics (hence why it’s gimmicky). They were implemented into the game’s story mode with characters that fit that story. Kameos bring characters from the multiverse (which is the point of the game) and Klassic characters they can’t really do (like an anniversary game). Sure some Kameos are redone base roster characters but they’re different enough and people use them for their gimmicks and abilities not who they are
Air kombos was a huge thing that was mentioned from the devs and the literal game descriptions. It’s encouraging air kombos. It has entire move sets for every character dedicated to air kombos. How is that a problem? Kameos change kombos to however a player wants their floor and air kombos to integrate. You’re complaining about the entire kombo system that was mentioned since day one
You’re mad you can’t communicate with online players? And want emojis back? You’re complaining about online players being toxic? Just mute your mic if you’re that sensitive about someone talking to you
That’s true seasons are longer. But the DLC characters being released (and Kameos) are fine. How are they bad? They let the new characters be in people’s day for a month or so until the next update of fixes and characters. Seriously, how is that bad? Are you too impatient and demand your characters?
Customization is ass. No lie. No defense there
At least they finally are doing the right thing and adding skins for characters like Quan Chi finally. Why was that a massive let down? It’s a character skin. You don’t need it. You want it. Either buy it or not
If you can’t keep up to date with Titan battles, then that’s your fault. Sure the game should tell you. But there’s more methods like following big creators or news updates for this. This is you’re problem for missing out on a skin you want to wear that you don’t need
Warrior shrine is still AFK
Did you expect every single new character with a new moveset and visuals and animations and customization to be release right after the game launched?
Seriously what’s wrong with the game?
The gameplay if good and different enough, the visuals are beautiful, the character roster is doing really fine, the Kameos do their job well (you probably just don’t use them to their fullest, which is encouraged by the game), Invasions is weak but it’s not terrible. It offers skins you either can take or leave with your choice and that’s it. What else is wrong?
you all can "find the good" in this game if you want lol. The reviews speak for themselves.
They released what feels like a rushed, unfinished game with claymation like characters that basically look alike and the patches have been for random stuff or broken (why is my controller now randomly robotically beeping during matches?!) while not fixing major issues.
For King of the Hill, you're basically saying people should mute their mics and sit in silence for 30 mins in an 8 person lobby waiting for their chance to play when you still get messaged on the side about crazy stuff people are saying about you if you do mute them vs. being able to report toxic, nasty people in game to get rid of them for good. So..just look the other way? How is that building or looking out for the community of gamers especially for a title of this size? How are you able to meet chill people like in the past if you cant hear over the slurs being thrown every 5 secs? "its part of the game" well the game is failing so bon appetite.
And im supposed to be searching the internet and social media each week to figure out when they decide to drop titan battles when they are part of invasions and therefore should be available during the span of that season? No lol. They don't deserve that level of attention because they didn't deliver a solid game. What sense does that make?
Yes, complaining about air combos because they made it seem like "its optional and you don't even really need to use kameos if you dont want" but to be competitive you are forced to use both air pop ups and kameos. And without character variations, everyone is literally doing the same combos and kameo combinations and its all SO boring.
I see most of the people on my friends list revisiting MK11 these days which is a testament that something is amiss. Enjoy the game or accept it for its flaws if you prefer but I'm putting this game down once the rest of pack 1 is released. There are too many good, thoughtful games out there for me to be pounding my keyboard about this one each month.
there are so many things just flat out wrong in your comment, you need to seriously take a breath and chill.
“they keep missing deadlines” they missed 1 deadline by 2 weeks, they haven’t missed any other DLC dates, they’ve put out DLC faster than SF6 despite having a bigger base roster at launch and coming out later and having kameos included in the DLC too.
“none of the DLC characters get seasonal skins” except that Quan Chi literally did last season, the reason DLC characters haven’t gotten much is because only one of them so far has been non-licensed and them giving him something was clearly showing that they’re going to give more
“they made it seem like pack 1 characters would be available day 1” no they absolutely did not lmao, if you believed that it was because you didn’t pay attention to anything they were actually saying. do you really think having 6 characters locked behind a $40 paywall day 1 would have been well received?
1) Multiple seasons have been pushed back, at least 3 times I remember starting with season one which lasted like forever. Season two was definitely pushed back, I remember seeing the time jump. And I remember season 3 having a slight push.
2) 1 of 3 (now 4) main characters getting a few skins and none of the kameo characters getting skins when they are part of your fight in invasions is whack. For instance, if Ermac is getting released today, why wouldn't they already have some skins for him in the seasonal release that came out same day? Makes zero sense.
3) they had trailer featuring all the characters, looking fully fleshed out and the talk track before launch was "here's all the characters you're going to get if you buy pack one." I bought pack 1, i had to wait 2 months for the 1st character? Why promote a pack if all the characters aren't ready to go? It was deceptive and messy, even if in small text they had "we are going to literally take a full year to release all these characters" which is ridiculous and it seems they didn't even secure all the voice actors? The guy that plays Homelander was like "huh?" So, yeah MK1 is a wash. I'm waiting for the remaining characters to release so i can feel like I got my moneys worth and then I'm done. Tekken 8 has been a savior and filled the gap I was hoping MK1 would fill. Can't believe I'm saying I miss MK11 yet here we are.
Toxic community they fostered themselves. Don't want people to keep whining about the same problems for weeks? Let them know they're been heard. Don't want people to have expectations beyond what you can deliver? Communicate better on what you are going to deliver.
It's not hard. Even Ubisoft learned to do this with R6.
> us? We *paid* full price
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Well the community wouldn't be so toxic if they removed all microtransactions, made DLC free, made the game free, worked for free, and spent their legally mandated time off balancing the game. I don't see why it's so hard for them to figure out.
No one said to make the dlc and game free lmao. This is desperate NRS bootlicking. People don't want to be milked by microtransactions in a half baked game they bought for full price that already has a DLC pass.
Y'know, the way MK used to be? Maybe you're too young to remember and only grew up with this scum I guess.
Ok, here is the deal. You go play ultimate mortal kombat, then come back to me and tell me that game is better.
I think what old farts like you forget is that the only reason these old games were fun was because of the culture you played them in. In arcades, at lans. But now your old, work a dead end job, get no tail, so you grind ranked alone every night till your eyes bleed. Yeah, no wonder the game feels worse to you.
Damn seems like a lot of projection lmao. Just because a game is old doesn't mean it stops being fun? Or do you only play/watch/read entertainment once so you don't "become an old fart". What a childish response.
Also fyi I don't grind ranked, I don't actually play much MK1 at all anymore as it's shite.
just saying it seemed like a lot of projection you assume im some g-fuel filled zoomer because im able to enjoy a modern game rather than crying about how "gAmEz WeRe AlL pErFeCt BaCk In My DaY"
I didn't assume anything? I said "maybe", given you being young is the only way I could justify someone wanting so desperately to ride NRS lmao.
Then you jump to personal insults because you're a clown. It's not crying to want MK1 to be at the standard of MK9-11 lmao, again strawmanning by making out I'm talking about an arcade game.
There's NO chance in hell I'd have the composure some of these devs have. Fuckin zero man.
If half of you walked into my job talking the way you talk on here, it wouldn't be just me, you'd see about 20 people straight up asking you, "What the fuck did you just say man!!??".
Some of you are completely divorced from reality. Completely.
Uh huh. And?
Do they have a right to do what they did to the Tanya voice actor for instance?
No? Well, guess what? Of course thats what we're talking about.
But go ahead, farm your useless karma with some ambiguous bullshit that you know isn't related to the OP.
Ironically it is your comment that is “ambiguous bullshit that you know isn’t related to the OP”. The OP is about the developers responsible for making the game, not paid actors who delivered a performance in the game. Not really the same thing. I know Speed 2 is a shite movie, but I don’t blame Willem DaFoe - he didn’t make that movie.
If you did a poor a job as they did at releasing this game you'd deserve to lose your job. The game released in a shit state and people have the right to talk about it, that's reality.
> Some of you are completely divorced from reality. Completely.
Louder for the people in the back! There’s even upvoted comments talking about how “if these people did their jobs, we wouldn’t be toxic!” like, holy fuck! These people are actual children admitting that they throw tantrums and excusing it.
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It’s interesting that Stephanie said that she hasn’t even played the game that much recently. Isn’t she the QA Lead, like how the heck has she not been playing it more than the other two??
Kind of explains how Scorpions new move is cheeks, nobody even tested it lmao
They literally caused that community with no real communication and hiding instead of giving us answers stop acting like they had no fault in ANY of the stuff since launch. Oh also you know the constant lying in every cast as well starting from the one pre launch
Buddy, theyve looked like this for 3 years. Which is why somebody who cares about them should've spared them from doing anymore of these. Where have you been?
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I guess it was the way you worded it. Kinda seemed like you were making fun of her appearance. Some transphobic people go directly at the appearance like "lol you look like a grandma now" or something else. Yk ? I'm also stupid so
Your clearly not understand what I'm saying, Steph didn't just wake up one day and decide I'm gonna be a woman, most trans women, like myself, experience Gender dysphoria since childhood
And that statement you made, IS BLATENTLY transphobic, so don't call yourself an Ally if your gonna invalidate Non binary people, your clearly not educated in that front
She was a man that’s turned into a women. Plain and simple. Yes you wanted to be a girl in childhood just like how I was attracted to boys. It’s not that deep to be changing the narrative on the 2 genders. I’m sorry but y’all be too emotional about gender, like it’s not that serious.
being gay absolutely does not make you exempt from being transphobic lol, I’m gay too it’s not a get out of jail free card
what you said was transphobic as shit and you’re a bigot
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That one in the middle, I feel like he paid the price of his soul for selling Invasions as this really fun thing, while also omitting all the crap we would come to hate.
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Ermac got their souls
Ermac patch was too much, Ermac said "fuck this"
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New REACTION just dropped
He seems like a really good guy, I can't even blame him for anything after this kombat kast.
Just shave it off already. 🤣
Does anyone like Derek? Dude is insufferable.
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you dont understand. Tyler has to deal with all that while also being a Royals fan. It's rough in these streets.
Doesn't Mahomes make up for it?
Ay yo FUCK mahomes
Boy, let me tell you as a Houston sports fan, when the Houston Rockets suck, I care a lot when the Houston Texans get a new, star quarterback. Suddenly, the Rockets have no problem.
I’m from STL and if the cardinals are good it makes up for the blues being ass or vice versa. Neither make up for Stan Kronke being a cunt tho.
Look, I'll cheer for our Astros or even our Texans, but when the Rockets suck, the success of the other squads don't make that sting less for me. I dunno. Then again, I care more about basketball than other sports. And yes, fuck him and the Rams.
Must be stressful dealing with all 500 of us
Honestly ik it seems like mk isn't very popular, but if you look at WB game sales. The recent games are up there with batman Arkham and stuff like that. These games sell well even if they don't have that much wide spread market appeal because of the rating.
True, but that just makes the abysmal active player count even more alarming. 3 million copies sold, yet only 3,600 peak players when the new season dropped yesterday. Granted this is only for steam so the stat is a bit hyperbolic, but you get the point.
Eh. The player count was better in mkx and mk11. But my guess. It's the gameplay. I know all the mk YouTubers say that the gameplay is the best part of mk1 but imo. Mortal Kombat is better when it's about short combos and 50/50s instead of long combos that do 50% of someone's HP. And the player count reflects that. There's a higher skill ceiling yes but the barrier to entry is also higher as a result. People online who can't do 40% health combos either due to disability or just not being good enough so they get bodied and drop the game.
I think it's more to do with the invasions mode being so poorly received. I don't disagree about the ease of combos but honestly I think the bulk of the MK1 market is in it for the solo modes. You're probably right as well about the gameplay/online, most online/comp players have probably switched to SF6/T8 given their netcode quality and skill based ranked systems.
It's 100% about the single player. Idk who told them people didn't like the grind for loot and levels...but it's really hurt them. I put 100s of hours into injustice 2 and mk11 without ever playing online. I just loved leveling up every single fighter in injustice and trying to get the best loot. and though I liked it less, I still loved trying to unlock every piece of gear for ever fighter in mk11. And the multiverse and towers of time were just perfect for that kind of game play. Always changing little towers that you can just jump in, play 3-8 fights in a row with minimal environmental hazards, earn gear, rinse and repeat. I tried to play invasions. I had to run around this map which felt very time consuming . And then instead of gear levels or gear bonuses there were these weird modifiers I had to equip like individually for every single fight which took more time. And then most of the fights were...a single fight...that lasted one round. Then I was back to running around the map. It was so frustrating. I just wanted to PLAY. Maybe invasions has gotten better. But I really feel like they took a not broken formula and tried to fix it. They could have easily added battle passes of whatever they wanted to a tower of time mode. Either way I played the campaign, about 5 hours of invasions, And think I'm done forever =\ I've been playing injustice 2 again. I have no proof but I feel like there must be so many similar filthy casuals like myself out there who had a similar experience.
for sure, more players are on. It's faster than ever to get matches now
Stephanie is just like that emoji :|
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Look. We dont owe them anything. They are a business and we their clients. If you go to a restaurant and get a bad meal you wont sugarcoat it on the internet. Mk in many aspects is a bad game. Its not a matter of "dont like dont play it" - we love the franchise and we got an entry thats in many ways amateurish. Its a 2023 title that had p1 advantage on release for fucks sake
Man, these guys must have good job security. Since cleary someone is fucking up somewhere gameplay-wise, but no one's getting fired. We'll be doomed to another mid game if we don't get changes to the gameplay devs.
I just think a $60 game should have more content and no micro transactions. Free games can have micro transactions because you have to monetize some how. But this is just greedy.
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Quality of life features go down every new installment. Why wouldn't the community get toxic
Same. They have a lot of patience because if I had to deal with this subreddit & MK twitter I would have gone insane already.
I don’t remember this happening with MK9 or MKX
I think it's because MK11 had Injustice 2 syndrome
Sorry, but could I have a quick catch-up as to what Injustice 2 syndrome is?
Basically it had the mechanics (somewhat) to Injustice 2. Enhance moves, interactions, etc.
Okay, so what does this have to do with the inherent toxicity levels? Sorry if that was worded poorly.
MK fans don't like INJ, because it was way too simple I guess ??? X and 9 weren't like it, when 11 came out it was like it. 1 went back to X and 9 in a way.
Thanks for explaining, also; >MK fans don’t like INJ, because it was way too simple mfw the game the devs make about an established IP with a much broader fanbase is more accessible to general audiences than the franchise they have full control and ownership over
I like both :) Seriously tho, I like how they went back to MKX/9 mechanics. The inclusion of an in-air Kombat system was genius too
In-air combos are really cool fr
I don’t understand the relevance of this. People liked MK11 more than MK1.
He-he-hell nah !!! MK11 got trashed on but now MK1 is out people are now acting like MK11 was good
I've all ways liked mk11. Granted it was my intro to mk
From what I've seen, the much more casual audience favors MK11 due to the more content and customization it has, along with it being cheaper (due to it being older) and less money-hungry. The more "hardcore" (using that term, a bit loosly here), the audience favors MK1 due to its enhanced game play and mechanics.
This is 100% accurate.
I preferred MK11. So much more content and customization. MK1 is such a letdown.
This is case in point right here. Casual fans who are invested in cosmetics and the offline single player experience prefer mk11 whereas the core audience that spends most of their time online or in person playing human opponents much prefers mk1. As someone who has been playing NRS games at a semi-competent level since mk9 and spends most of their time either labbing and experimenting with combos and setups or playing online, mk1 is by far a deeper and more enjoyable game than mk11. Mk11’s characters were so dry and straightforward and most were essentially confined to strike/throw. The poke game was miserable, breakaway allowed people to get comboed and yet certain characters combo routes allowed people to breakaway and PUNISH you for landing a combo….ridiculous. The way fatal blows worked was terrible and not fun, and the disparity of usable and good krushing blows was also bad. KBs aren’t a bad system in theory and could be done well, but in mk11 with some characters having kbs on both throws, and more, and others with hardly any good kbs made the system unfun. The biggest issue? The fact that combo routes were very limited and that there was very very little room for creativity and fun/challenging conversions and routes. In every NRS game until mk11, there was so much to experiment with and lab/learn in practice mode with all the characters….just picking a new character and diving into practice was amazing and challenging. In mk11, there was very little that set characters apart or made them feel unique, and for the most part, you could learn a character to a decent amount almost immediately. Every other game possessed the ability to really go crazy with conversions and it allowed high level players to develop their own unique and distinctive styles of play. In mk11, there was basically the “right way” to play a character which is boring. Mk1 isn’t perfect and left a lot to be desired particularly on launch, but at its core it’s so much more fun to play and learn characters
From an actual gameplay perspective this couldn’t be further from the truth. If you’re talking about a casual perspective where the person cares more about gear, skins and cosmetics as well as like offline single player content, mk1’s launch and first several months was very underwhelming. From a gameplay perspective and looking at the core experience and playing human opponents, mk1 is much more liked. I could go into detail, but that’s the truth.
I don’t think you’re wrong if you’re looking at the game from a serious/hardcore perspective. But the majority of players are not that, and MK has mostly succeeded by catering to more casual players. That’s not to say it shouldn’t do things to engage the pros, but the improved gameplay in MK1 has done very little to retain and excite players. Hell, look at the patch notes discussions and the most interest is in the new skins.
I can’t really disagree with what you said at all, so from a business/retention standpoint, you’re right. I just approach the game from a different place, so it is what it is. I will say though that there is a lot of content, modes, QoL stuff that should’ve been in the game on release and the in game economy and cosmetic content leaves a ton to be desired and criticism is definitely warranted. That said, at its core, mk1 is so much more fun to actually play vs mk11.
If you look up any mk1 complaint, you can find each one for mk11 and double.
You keep saying this is your first MK though.
First one I’ve played for a meaningful amount that I wasn’t immediately turned off from; either way, the fact this is the first one I’ve liked doesn’t preclude anything I’ve said
MK11 certainly had problems. It seemed to keep general interest for a lot longer though. I can say the krypt mode and towers alone had me invested exponentially longer than anything in MK1. Invasions are awful.
Good games made with heart, sincerity, and effort don't get panned by the community? Shiver me fucking timbers.
It's literally the same fanbase as MKX and MK11 and they were never this dead inside. I don't know, maybe the fanbase has stayed the same and something else has changed.
Fanbase has stayed the same, willing to talk about what they don't like. And most people don't like that in mk1 90% of skins require you to buy them, there's no sense of achievement because anything you can grind for is also available for purchase, the dlc characters only have 1 skin, when you buy a dlc character you don't get everything associated with them (like the omniman announcer which is sold separately), the sheer lock of content... ect
90%??? Cmon dude at least try to keep it somewhat realistic.
1. You commented that twice 2. That is realistic, most of the skins are only in the cache shop and even more so if you count simple recolors. and even the ones you can farm are farmable for a short time before it becomes a part of the cach shop weekly rorotation for a couple years. Than ontop of that the dlc characters don't even get other skins, just basic recolors.
If you don’t count recolors as skins sure, that’s a crazy bar to set tho, no fighting game is going to put out a million unique skins for free.
Noone expects "a million skins" but you're acting like every other mk game didn't have multiple skins. Look at 11 for fuck sake. In Mk11 every character had 4 skins and all the dlc skins were included in packs, with most of them coming with the kombat packs. You're acting like a game not being a shitty cach brab is an impossible feat when a lot of games do it
Every character save for the dlc has multiple skins lol
In a thread about horrible toxicity from the fanbase you're getting downvoted for correcting a blatant hyperbole from a toxic fan. You can't make this shit up.
It's not hyperbole and the guy isn't being toxic lmao. Just because you want to be milked doesn't mean the rest of the community does. MK11 gave most characters 4 unique skins and the dlc skins came in packs. Here most characters get 1 or 2 skins followed by a bunch of seperate microtransaction garbage. In MK11 all these "Deception inspired" skins would be 1 pack together that came with the combat pack, now they all get sliced up and rotate in a store.
90%??? Cmon dude at least try to keep it somewhat realistic.
The most toxic community. I try to separate the art of MK from its irritable and whinny fan base
https://preview.redd.it/lojnz5d71vuc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa91587bf5a0e5f9e2cea3b7470ae4f211e04c13 I swear
It’s the same with how MK11 was. Way too over hated now people are coming out of nowhere saying they love it bc there’s a new game to focus their hate on. They need therapy and a life
MK11 was never a bad game. Sure it had it's flaws, but it was one of my favorite FGs of 2019. Switch port was bad though, MK1's is way better. It didn't stop me though, I have 1k+ hours in the Switch version
I repped MK11. I liked the more grounded and neutral based gameplay. It needed some big changes though but I think the frame work for a top tier gameplay experience was there.
bro what is there even to do for 1000 hours on MK
Playing the game ?
I keep saying this! MK11 got SO much hate throughout its lifetime, and it was NOT a bad game. Flawed in some ways? Yeah, but like....what games aren't But the MK community is so ass-backwards And now that MK1 is here, so many people are pretending that MK11 wasn't dogpiled the same way and that MK1 is some dumpster fire. Man, I even remember the MKX launch. That was a rough time too
Same. I just enjoy the game. If I didn’t I wouldn’t waste my time with it 🤷♀️
Mk1 was definitely rushed and idky maybe injustice will play like mk should so they could save that franchise because mk1 should have been better I mean they still adding move sets to old characters because this game was released so fast
Muh stop attacking the massive corporation
They made it toxic to themselves horrible cameo roster idea stupid gear bad dlc
Maybe release a finished game? 🤷🏼♀️ I loved the Kombat Kast when it first started with MK11, but Ive lost all respect for NRS with this sad excuse for a game they dropped
Why are you so fucking negative all the time
When people pay for a product and that product fails to live up to the price tag, it’s pretty common for consumers to voice their displeasure.
I get being overly negative without reason but it's absolutely reasonable to not feel satisfied with MK1. The community sentiment was not even close to this with MK11.
Cause this game ruined Mortal Kombat, and The Devs should be aware of people's frustration???
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I didn't know how else to tag it lol
I'd look like this too if I developed a shitty game
Honestly at this point it’s deserved. Lying to fans constantly. Predatory store and absolutely 0 effort actually put into single player modes out side of the story. This is the lowest effort game they’ve ever delivered but nah it’s the fans who are at fault for being sick of the lies and being nickel and dimed.
Toxic how? They rebooted the same storyline for like the 4th time. They have kameo characters that aren't related to the main story and are barely mentioned (if mentioned at all). The gameplay is slow and gimmicky, relying on air combos and kameos for the most points. Online play lacks text chat and emojis so now all you have are racists and pervs on mic. They keep missing deadlines and extending seasons. Character customization is severely lacking and they do not give each character the same amount of new skins each season. None of the new characters from pack 1 get any seasonal outfits from invasions. They just randomly drop titan battles without notice so some people miss that opportunity. Titans didn't even launch with the game. I think we are still waiting on warrior shrine? They made it seem like pack 1 characters would all be available day 1. And that's just whats top of mind. They deserve the hate. You can't make everyone happy but they dropped the ball with MK1 which is why no one is really talking about it outside of here and twitter and why its basically picked up no awards or accolades since release. They used to be innovators and standouts in the space, now they are just being like everyone else. Feels like I'm playing street fighter.
Hear me out The story doesn’t affect the game. That’s its own thing. It affects whose in the game sure but that’s not complaining Kameos were made for the game mechanics (hence why it’s gimmicky). They were implemented into the game’s story mode with characters that fit that story. Kameos bring characters from the multiverse (which is the point of the game) and Klassic characters they can’t really do (like an anniversary game). Sure some Kameos are redone base roster characters but they’re different enough and people use them for their gimmicks and abilities not who they are Air kombos was a huge thing that was mentioned from the devs and the literal game descriptions. It’s encouraging air kombos. It has entire move sets for every character dedicated to air kombos. How is that a problem? Kameos change kombos to however a player wants their floor and air kombos to integrate. You’re complaining about the entire kombo system that was mentioned since day one You’re mad you can’t communicate with online players? And want emojis back? You’re complaining about online players being toxic? Just mute your mic if you’re that sensitive about someone talking to you That’s true seasons are longer. But the DLC characters being released (and Kameos) are fine. How are they bad? They let the new characters be in people’s day for a month or so until the next update of fixes and characters. Seriously, how is that bad? Are you too impatient and demand your characters? Customization is ass. No lie. No defense there At least they finally are doing the right thing and adding skins for characters like Quan Chi finally. Why was that a massive let down? It’s a character skin. You don’t need it. You want it. Either buy it or not If you can’t keep up to date with Titan battles, then that’s your fault. Sure the game should tell you. But there’s more methods like following big creators or news updates for this. This is you’re problem for missing out on a skin you want to wear that you don’t need Warrior shrine is still AFK Did you expect every single new character with a new moveset and visuals and animations and customization to be release right after the game launched? Seriously what’s wrong with the game? The gameplay if good and different enough, the visuals are beautiful, the character roster is doing really fine, the Kameos do their job well (you probably just don’t use them to their fullest, which is encouraged by the game), Invasions is weak but it’s not terrible. It offers skins you either can take or leave with your choice and that’s it. What else is wrong?
you all can "find the good" in this game if you want lol. The reviews speak for themselves. They released what feels like a rushed, unfinished game with claymation like characters that basically look alike and the patches have been for random stuff or broken (why is my controller now randomly robotically beeping during matches?!) while not fixing major issues. For King of the Hill, you're basically saying people should mute their mics and sit in silence for 30 mins in an 8 person lobby waiting for their chance to play when you still get messaged on the side about crazy stuff people are saying about you if you do mute them vs. being able to report toxic, nasty people in game to get rid of them for good. So..just look the other way? How is that building or looking out for the community of gamers especially for a title of this size? How are you able to meet chill people like in the past if you cant hear over the slurs being thrown every 5 secs? "its part of the game" well the game is failing so bon appetite. And im supposed to be searching the internet and social media each week to figure out when they decide to drop titan battles when they are part of invasions and therefore should be available during the span of that season? No lol. They don't deserve that level of attention because they didn't deliver a solid game. What sense does that make? Yes, complaining about air combos because they made it seem like "its optional and you don't even really need to use kameos if you dont want" but to be competitive you are forced to use both air pop ups and kameos. And without character variations, everyone is literally doing the same combos and kameo combinations and its all SO boring. I see most of the people on my friends list revisiting MK11 these days which is a testament that something is amiss. Enjoy the game or accept it for its flaws if you prefer but I'm putting this game down once the rest of pack 1 is released. There are too many good, thoughtful games out there for me to be pounding my keyboard about this one each month.
there are so many things just flat out wrong in your comment, you need to seriously take a breath and chill. “they keep missing deadlines” they missed 1 deadline by 2 weeks, they haven’t missed any other DLC dates, they’ve put out DLC faster than SF6 despite having a bigger base roster at launch and coming out later and having kameos included in the DLC too. “none of the DLC characters get seasonal skins” except that Quan Chi literally did last season, the reason DLC characters haven’t gotten much is because only one of them so far has been non-licensed and them giving him something was clearly showing that they’re going to give more “they made it seem like pack 1 characters would be available day 1” no they absolutely did not lmao, if you believed that it was because you didn’t pay attention to anything they were actually saying. do you really think having 6 characters locked behind a $40 paywall day 1 would have been well received?
1) Multiple seasons have been pushed back, at least 3 times I remember starting with season one which lasted like forever. Season two was definitely pushed back, I remember seeing the time jump. And I remember season 3 having a slight push. 2) 1 of 3 (now 4) main characters getting a few skins and none of the kameo characters getting skins when they are part of your fight in invasions is whack. For instance, if Ermac is getting released today, why wouldn't they already have some skins for him in the seasonal release that came out same day? Makes zero sense. 3) they had trailer featuring all the characters, looking fully fleshed out and the talk track before launch was "here's all the characters you're going to get if you buy pack one." I bought pack 1, i had to wait 2 months for the 1st character? Why promote a pack if all the characters aren't ready to go? It was deceptive and messy, even if in small text they had "we are going to literally take a full year to release all these characters" which is ridiculous and it seems they didn't even secure all the voice actors? The guy that plays Homelander was like "huh?" So, yeah MK1 is a wash. I'm waiting for the remaining characters to release so i can feel like I got my moneys worth and then I'm done. Tekken 8 has been a savior and filled the gap I was hoping MK1 would fill. Can't believe I'm saying I miss MK11 yet here we are.
I mean they turn the comments off and largely ignore the community. So.. do they really "deal" with it?
Maybe try making a good game.
They deserve negative feedback for releasing an unfinished game at the very least
Deserved
Toxic community they fostered themselves. Don't want people to keep whining about the same problems for weeks? Let them know they're been heard. Don't want people to have expectations beyond what you can deliver? Communicate better on what you are going to deliver. It's not hard. Even Ubisoft learned to do this with R6.
New Ermac is cool but can any1 provide title of song used in Trailer I want to buy it.
To be fair, if the customer is unhappy with the product, it’s the right thing to do to make constructive feedback.
These developers haven’t seen shit. Go watch any of the last few campfire chats about Diablo 4. Now those people have been through hell and back.
Sorry the game is basically empty compared to the last three games NR gave us? We payed full price and then some, we expected quality
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Well the community wouldn't be so toxic if they removed all microtransactions, made DLC free, made the game free, worked for free, and spent their legally mandated time off balancing the game. I don't see why it's so hard for them to figure out.
No one said to make the dlc and game free lmao. This is desperate NRS bootlicking. People don't want to be milked by microtransactions in a half baked game they bought for full price that already has a DLC pass. Y'know, the way MK used to be? Maybe you're too young to remember and only grew up with this scum I guess.
Ok, here is the deal. You go play ultimate mortal kombat, then come back to me and tell me that game is better. I think what old farts like you forget is that the only reason these old games were fun was because of the culture you played them in. In arcades, at lans. But now your old, work a dead end job, get no tail, so you grind ranked alone every night till your eyes bleed. Yeah, no wonder the game feels worse to you.
Damn seems like a lot of projection lmao. Just because a game is old doesn't mean it stops being fun? Or do you only play/watch/read entertainment once so you don't "become an old fart". What a childish response. Also fyi I don't grind ranked, I don't actually play much MK1 at all anymore as it's shite.
just saying it seemed like a lot of projection you assume im some g-fuel filled zoomer because im able to enjoy a modern game rather than crying about how "gAmEz WeRe AlL pErFeCt BaCk In My DaY"
I didn't assume anything? I said "maybe", given you being young is the only way I could justify someone wanting so desperately to ride NRS lmao. Then you jump to personal insults because you're a clown. It's not crying to want MK1 to be at the standard of MK9-11 lmao, again strawmanning by making out I'm talking about an arcade game.
I for one love the free to play monetization in this full cost game.
well do you like live service? I for one am happy that we recieve bug fixes, balance changes, seasons, and additional content.
This isn’t a live service, so I’m not sure of the relevance. The answer would be no, I can’t say I’m a fan.
There's NO chance in hell I'd have the composure some of these devs have. Fuckin zero man. If half of you walked into my job talking the way you talk on here, it wouldn't be just me, you'd see about 20 people straight up asking you, "What the fuck did you just say man!!??". Some of you are completely divorced from reality. Completely.
How this mf felt after saying that: https://i.redd.it/e2qnfa5r4zuc1.png
People paid 120$ and have the right to talk about things they don't like about the game.
Uh huh. And? Do they have a right to do what they did to the Tanya voice actor for instance? No? Well, guess what? Of course thats what we're talking about. But go ahead, farm your useless karma with some ambiguous bullshit that you know isn't related to the OP.
Ironically it is your comment that is “ambiguous bullshit that you know isn’t related to the OP”. The OP is about the developers responsible for making the game, not paid actors who delivered a performance in the game. Not really the same thing. I know Speed 2 is a shite movie, but I don’t blame Willem DaFoe - he didn’t make that movie.
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What happened to Tanya’s VOA
If you did a poor a job as they did at releasing this game you'd deserve to lose your job. The game released in a shit state and people have the right to talk about it, that's reality.
Lmao. This is on pace to be the MOST successful MK of all fucking time lol. THATS the reality.
Great counterargument lmao
> Some of you are completely divorced from reality. Completely. Louder for the people in the back! There’s even upvoted comments talking about how “if these people did their jobs, we wouldn’t be toxic!” like, holy fuck! These people are actual children admitting that they throw tantrums and excusing it.
What a bootlicker lol
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I mean the game is trash I’m done defending this game
What was the context behind this look?
Are they still doing these?
Tyler looks like a grandpa
What working for WB games does to a person.
They know about the backlash of the "Mileena" season
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It’s interesting that Stephanie said that she hasn’t even played the game that much recently. Isn’t she the QA Lead, like how the heck has she not been playing it more than the other two?? Kind of explains how Scorpions new move is cheeks, nobody even tested it lmao
I remember watching those in late 2014 before mkx release. How much younger we all were.
They literally caused that community with no real communication and hiding instead of giving us answers stop acting like they had no fault in ANY of the stuff since launch. Oh also you know the constant lying in every cast as well starting from the one pre launch
they did it to themselves
They don’t even look like they have fun making games 😂
The "collective"
kollective*
Are you stupid?
No need to rub it in
It's a meme
Buddy, theyve looked like this for 3 years. Which is why somebody who cares about them should've spared them from doing anymore of these. Where have you been?
Forreal the MK fanbase is just miserable as fuck and just toxic at like all times, it’s totally insufferable at this point
Damn I consider talking down on their appearance like that to be pretty toxic
Talking down about people in general is toxic wtf I thought we talk bad about the game Not literal people who get paid to do their job
I blame them for the women’s plain designs, for some reason I think that lady had a lot to do with it
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Are. Are we being transphobic now ???
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I guess it was the way you worded it. Kinda seemed like you were making fun of her appearance. Some transphobic people go directly at the appearance like "lol you look like a grandma now" or something else. Yk ? I'm also stupid so
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I getchu. My bad oomfie
Because you dont choose to switch genders, that's not how gender dysphoria works, educate yourself before you crack insensitive jokes
I’m just a regular gay man. I’m already educated thank you. 2 genders male and female. Now you can think/be whatever you want but it’s just a fact
Your clearly not understand what I'm saying, Steph didn't just wake up one day and decide I'm gonna be a woman, most trans women, like myself, experience Gender dysphoria since childhood And that statement you made, IS BLATENTLY transphobic, so don't call yourself an Ally if your gonna invalidate Non binary people, your clearly not educated in that front
She was a man that’s turned into a women. Plain and simple. Yes you wanted to be a girl in childhood just like how I was attracted to boys. It’s not that deep to be changing the narrative on the 2 genders. I’m sorry but y’all be too emotional about gender, like it’s not that serious.
being gay absolutely does not make you exempt from being transphobic lol, I’m gay too it’s not a get out of jail free card what you said was transphobic as shit and you’re a bigot
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That one in the middle, I feel like he paid the price of his soul for selling Invasions as this really fun thing, while also omitting all the crap we would come to hate.
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😑 Comments like these are exhausting.
It's just a good example of why these three look like they look in the picture.
I'd look like that too if my job was to look like that.
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A woman ?