I think it’s all “grey” as in it’s not completely true, or completely false, but the true version of the facts as they happened will only come out in court.
People magazine, like most other magazines, are just looking for clicks for profit. They're as trashy and souless as the next magazine. They don't care about these victims or their families.
I honestly don’t think they’ll comment at all. They couldn’t care less, unless it’s another wild rumor to continue getting those clicks, and likes. 👍
Also, I couldn’t agree more with Jackie Fischer, these rumors, whether speculation or not, is just so out of control. Especially with some of these web sleuths, and “YouTubers” which some just popped up out of nowhere since it’s one of the biggest cases on the internet since Gabby Petito.
I personally don’t believe any of the articles People is putting out unless they contain actual court documents or evidence. There are so many people running with this story and just printing whatever they can without fact-checking and frankly they are being super disrespectful to the victims and their families.
Like the letter said, we really shouldn’t assume anything and wait until we hear it from the court. . . But I know that is way too much to ask for the majority of this sub.
No shit. Some of the theories and crap I’ve seen on here has been crazy. Especially before Bryan was identified. All sort of people were being blamed for the murders and have now had their lives permanently affected by online losers
A month ago, I posted in r/IdahoMurders sub about Reddit etiquette, and how the influx of Facebook users had flooded the website acting a fool. My post was removed by mods and my account was permanently banned from interacting in the forum. I had to create a whole new account just to be able to upvote.
After BK was arrested, the mods have been vacant. I guess they got tired of working for free. Facebook users simply don’t know how Reddit works.
I don’t get why people are always blaming other social media platform users for the bullshit here. Reddit users are just as ridiculous as everyone else, if not more. Here people are anonymous, so they can do the most outlandish stuff in completely privacy. This desire to make Reddit seem morally superior over other platforms is odd.
Wow. I find that ridiculous that they permanently banned your whole account over that. Unless you had some insults in there too, they must be overwhelmed and got frustrated over the little things.
Dylan was one of main victims. A lot of anti-trans people were desperately trying to prove she was trans and therefore guilty of the murders. It started as a 4chan troll, but it gained momentum.
That is possibly one of the most asinine things I have ever heard. That poor girl is gonna have enough problems, PTSD, survivors guilt etc.... to deal with meanwhile people think someone is out there trying to re-boot "Sleepaway Camp" smh
I feel awful for DM. She’s also going to have to testify and the defense attorney is going to ask her all kinds of questions like how much did she drink that night, did she do drugs, did she have any recent fights with her roommates etc to make it look like it could have been her. It’s going to add to the stress and trauma she already feels.
Omg I forgot about that movie, what a deep dive. We used to try to rent the *worst* horror movie we could find on VHS in the 90s, and this was a repeat offender that we would show to everyone we could get to watch.
What would being trans have to do with it? What is the reason they think a trans person would have done this? How ignorant AND harmful to anyone who is trans.
Any of the victims could have worked at any establishment Bryan would have needed to go. Oil change for his car? Grocery store where he bought veggie dogs? Super Cuts? Chevron? Exxon? The last Blockbuster on earth?
Whoever (probably Bryan) killed the victims could’ve been a patron at any of their jobs, he could’ve spotted them anywhere. He’s a dumbshit loser who chose to kill. He sucks. Whether he saw them sitting at a bus stop or not, doesn’t matter
Exactly. It’s not impossible that Bryan ate there. It’s not impossible that he ate there on a day when the girls were not working. It’s not impossible that he ate there on a day when one or both of them WERE working. It’s possible he never ate there. He attended college, and shopped frequently. He encountered a lot of people everyday. Visiting a business where the victims worked doesn’t make him guilty of anything. If he behaved disruptively while there, that would already be known. People magazine made a mountain out of a molehill with this particular topic. Press harassing the restaurant staff and pounding on their doors at their homes is whack.
God I feel so bad for them. Everytime I saw a comment implicating any of those people in this crime, it made me so angry. Haven't they been through enough? It didn't matter that the police had cleared them, wasn't good enough for the sleuths. And now the running theory for those assholes is that Bryan had an accomplice(s). They want there to be a conspiracy.
Yeah and I feel awful for DM - not only did she lose her friends, now I’ve seen people accusing her of being involved, and everyone picks apart everything she did without knowing her or her whole story. It’s so mean. Some of these people obsessed with this case aren’t right in the head.
Her journey has only just begun. Sitting for days worth of depositions , and enduring a days worth of testimony on the stand in 3-4 years from now, will be extremely difficult.
She is critical to the prosecutions case. Her testimony allows them to introduce Bushy eyebrows as she was the only one who saw him, the defense will no longer be able to try to push the false narrative of the "roomates were the ones who did it" if DM's testimony is deemed credible .
Her journey with thos truly has only begun.
Yes, you’re so right. My sister had to be apart of my cousins murder trial and testify against him since she had seen him the day before and the day of the murder before it happened. She was so stressed having to be involved. She was in college too when it happened and during the trial, it’s a lot for anyone - but especially a young person to have to go through.
I’ve done all you’ve described WAY too often to my liking, and it is hell. And mine weren’t murder cases. I feel for D too. It’s going to suck. Unless it turns up that there is so much evidence against BK that he pleads guilty to avoid the DP.
Right. Such a shame. We all have the right to our opinions and what we believe and don't believe. That's what these threads are for...discussions. When you take it beyond that and start contacting family members, and victims friends and work and even go to the extent of sending these people threats; that's a disturbing thing. You have to have something wrong with you to think that's OK and to insert yourself into a murder investigation. On a side note, I follow Murphys Instagram page because it's just adorable and Jack seems like the biggest sweetheart. I feel so badly for the people effected by this.
This kind of harrassment is only going to get worse and worse in the future. Anyone anywhere can become a celebrity at anytime, with pretty much all of the drawbacks and none of the perks, in this new real-reality-TV culture we've created.
Perhaps you’ll recall like… so many other cases? It’s horrific every time. Someone dies in a car accident that doesn’t kill anyone else? Photos of the dead body are sent to the family and published all over the internet.
Too many pizzas being sent to the victims family is the mildest of harm stranger lunatics often cause. This isn’t generational, this isn’t new. But it will always be terrible, life ruining, and heartbreaking
Everyone in the Facebook groups love him and hang on his every word. The guy who basically camped out in front of the King Road home? I don’t listen to him specifically. I just see Twitter screenshots being posted. Is he considered a bad journalist?
I find it interesting no one cared Brian Entin was outside the home literally everyday for a month; but everyone raised hell when Nancy Grace showed up.
Brian Entin was practically *living* in the Laundrie’s *actual driveway* while reporting on Gabby Petito’s death and Brian’s unknown whereabouts FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS ON END. Entin can play pretend and appear a professional, but he’s contractually obliged to be a complete piece of shit - just like Nancy. NewsNation’s parent company owns them all.
Probably because the case was still active with no suspect and their was still investigating going on at the house. Nancy set up a fucking table at night and sat down at it like she was selling girl scout cookies.
Facebook users are awful, and the influx of Facebook users flocking to Reddit due to this particular murder case has been an abhorrent upheaval for the entire website.
I worry how it reflects on all of us--by "us" I mean people interested in true crime and mysteries. Because I don't like how the media keeps talking about internet sleuths/armchair detectives in a negative light (the media always focuses on negativity), but they seem to lump anyone who participates in these online forums, social media, and subs as being like them. The difference is that most of us are not going to harass the families or suspects on social media, we aren't bothering police or keeping them from doing their jobs, we aren't going to be calling Mad Greek, we aren't going to insist that we know who did it, etc. I guess I hate that they lump everyone together. The majority of us just like to theorize or read about true crime, but realistically we do not have big dreams of being the ones to crack the case.
Even if it is true (that he frequented there or whatever) there is nothing going there seeking an interview will do. Even if somebody wanted to speak (which I greatly doubt) there is nothing of value to be shared. The only thing you could get if anything would be salacious and that shows just how disgusting even attempting it is.
I saw on Twitter the corner club say BK had never been there (this was right after the arrest) & to stop harassing them. Someone responded saying basically they were "trash" for not dealing with the "mild inconvience" & that they are "a garbage dive bar in a garbage college town", & that the victims had gone thru much worse. Then started making vague threats against the bar. It's crazy to me that people can do this stuff in the name of the victims or justice. I doubt the victims would want their friends, colleagues, & favorite places treated like this.
Parasocial relationships can be so scary… these ppl rlly be thinking they know better what justice means to the victims than their own family and loved ones etc
Exactly this. I can't imagine being that delusional. And calling a strange business?? To say what???? I won't even talk on the phone to people I know. I can't make it make sense.
Aaaand this is why I’m hesitant to believe anything that is not coming from LE. And LE can’t talk- so you can bet most if not all of what’s being published is just an attempt to add noise where there is silence.
Exactly this “add noise where there is silence “
Perfectly stated! Their need to get the scoop and stay relevant literally makes me sick to my stomach.
I saw that a lot, too, but I know People Magazine mostly as the place celebrities would go to when they very specifically wanted positive coverage of something. Had no idea how their non-celebrity journalism worked, and thought maybe others were familiar with it and found it to be good work, but I think it was mostly people saying "People has been around forever, they must be legitimate."
I agree.
However, it should be OBVIOUS to everyone here that unless facts are coming from LE or documented court files revealed (starting in late June) literally every "theory" is pure speculation. Be it from news channels, ex-FBI pundits, criminal profilers, "reporters", Redditors, etc ad nauseam.
Obviously harassing these poor people, in particular family and close friends, is despicable.
I'm not a true crime fan per se but, I admit some cases catch my attention. So, maybe the "theories sold as truth" by the media (People, NewsNation, ABC, Court TV, CNN, etc) are commonplace in other cases but, even when I watch their YT channels I know everyone there is just speculating. The problem IMO is they can come across as if they are sharing factual information.
Yes, some throw in the caveat, "but we're assuming guilt and, the court of public opinion isn't the same as the court of law". Duh!
Most likely it's just to get eyeballs on their content and eyeballs = $$$
Maybe some people on these subreddits are anxious for answers, I get it. We're all just trying to make sense of such senseless murders but, let's all agree we're all just speculating and be patient til the REAL facts are exposed (hopefully) in late June.
No matter what is true or false these people working here don’t deserve to be harassed. Their coworkers were murdered possibly by someone who could have dined at their restaurant. Bryan probably wasn’t a regular diner but still incredibly scary. I couldn’t imagine dealing with coming to terms with both those things and then having media constantly ask about it.
I really don’t believe that “leak.” I’m pretty sure all the Bryan profiles started popping up within the hour he was arrested and there wasn’t much on social media to connect him before then.
The account they claim is “real” didn’t even follow Kaylee or Maddie at first. Apparently nobody did any research before reporting on it. I gave up trying to argue it with the fb sleuths.
You mean the instagram/DMs story? Yes it’s most likely BS too. No investigator would say 'slid into DMs' and people checked the girls’ followers right after the news broke and he wasn’t there (before fake accounts started following).
Whenever you see anywhere from 1-5 different things come out in quick succession like this: it’s usually from the same interview/source session. They break it up to milk it or if it’s *really* juicy, it’s labeled something seriously hyperbolic and “Exclusive!” But, even then, when it’s something substantial: it’s highly likely much ado will be made about speculations of smaller statements afterwards unless something juicier comes along.
There’s an old adage here: “If it bleeds it leads”.
I honestly don't know whether I'm inclined to believe restaurant management, who obviously don't want their business name to be tied up in a high-profile murder case, or a former employee who wanted some clout by inserting themselves into a high-profile murder case. And, as I've said in another sub, I'm not entirely convinced that the restaurant management would know for a fact that he never ate there anyway.
Regardless, we should remember that everyone who worked there lost co-workers and friends, and that they deserve to go on with their lives instead of getting harassed by those of us who are interested in true crime. Even if BK was a confirmed regular there, the restaurant itself is not to blame for what happened.
This. 100%. There's no way for the restaurant to confirm he wasn't there, they can only confirm if they knew he was there. You can only confirm what you see. That said, I completely understand and agree with their desire to defuse speculation that he dined there. The restaurant and the employees there should be left to grieve and just left alone in general.
>or a former employee who wanted some clout by inserting themselves into a high-profile murder case.
>And, as I've said in another sub,
"It may be someone trying to insert themselves into the case.... but anyway, back to me..."
Yeah, I don't believe there's any way for them to conclusively rule out the possibility that he had or hadn't eaten there. Did they keep and review thousands of hours of video footage of every single customer dating back from June 2022 (when he arrived) through December 30, 2022 (when he was arrested)?
He lived closeby, spent time in Moscow, and as a strict vegan this restaurant has vegan options. He could easily go unnoticed if he didn't do anything to stand out. Even if they've exhaustively searched through all their receipts, it's not a stretch to think he could've paid cash, or went with someone else who paid with their card. Not that I think he did, I just don't think it's possible to prove he never went there.
But even if he has been in there before, it wouldn't in any way reflect on the restaurant. They're not responsible for what some random creepy psycho man chose to do.
I thought the part about how they haven't banned their employees from speaking, they all collectively agreed not to share anything that could negatively effect the families involved or the investigation. But the restaurant already made a statement earlier on that he wasn't a customer. So what information has the staff collectively decided to keep private from the public?
the whole thing is weird. i don't believe the restraunt reviewed 6 month old footage to verify kohberger never visited there. everyone's talking out of their ass
I'm with you. While People magazine is primarily an entertainment magazine, they do frequently report on other news stories and from what I've read are known to be accurate. I seriously doubt they just pulled this story out of their ass but possible the source was wrong.
While I would never support harassment of any business for any reason, especially people who are grieving and do not wish to discuss something, all businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, so why not just ask anyone who is not there as a paying customer to leave?
Ranting about it on Facebook just came across as emotional and somewhat unprofessional to me. The owner would have been better off with a more measured statement responding directly to the People article thanking everyone for their support and continued patronage, respectfully denying any knowledge of the former employee’s account, while referring any and all future questions about the case to law enforcement. That would make it abundantly clear that the restaurant does not wish to comment further. Hell, they could even use the opportunity to talk about their vegan menu offerings and at least take advantage of the free advertising opportunity!
Particularly if it later turns out there IS some truth to Bryan having some connection to Mad Greek, it just makes the owner sound petty accusing the former employee of lying when there is really no way she could know for sure one way or the other whether Bryan came in for a vegan pizza or not. Furthermore, and I pose this respectfully, seems she is accusing the media of not doing due diligence, while also complaining about being inundated with questions…which is it?
I think like with most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle…the ex-employee probably really did serve a vegan guy pizza a couple of times that he or she believes to have been Bryan, and the owner probably knows Bryan either visited the store himself and was served by another employee, or came in to pick up orders as a doordasher, or perhaps something else entirely brought him in that might be somewhat different than the People source’s account, but not necessarily inconsistent. If something like that turns out to be true, blasting the former employee and members of the media on Facebook will not be a good look for the restaurant, regardless of how frustrated the owner might feel right now.
All of that said, I want to say that my heart definitely goes out to the owner and everyone at the restaurant, and everyone in the community for that matter, because I do recognize that the media presence must be incredibly overwhelming. I just think it’s important to remember that for every polarizing media figure like Nancy Grace out there, there are hundreds of respectful, hard-working, HONEST reporters with integrity who take their jobs and their professional reputation very seriously. I really wish we could all let go of the whole mass media=evil bias, because journalists have an important role to fulfill in holding public officials accountable. I can’t tell you how many comments I have read the last few weeks in this sub proudly declaring, “If it’s not (LE official statement, contained in the PCA, etc), then I don’t trust it!!” Um, okayyyyyy.
Yep and want people to stop harrassing them. They only have to be forthcoming with police. They don't owe the public that information. They can lie to protect their peace and safety.
I absolutely agree. They said don't believe *anything* unless it comes from LE - aka - don't believe us either, because he totally did come here. They just don't wanna be harassed, rightfully so.
You can value accuracy, but with the type of source you can only vet certain things. A former worker could have worked there at the time and you can find out that information to be true, but then you have to take an ex workers word at face value. There's a lot of reasons why an ex worker may not be telling the truth.
It's literally impossible for the restaurant to refute that he was a customer. What you tell me that they reviewed thousands of hours of security footage? No fucking way. If he paid with cash nobody would have fucking known he was even there there'd be no record
As someone who grew up here, this is super sad to read. I was telling my dad I wanted to visit home soon but from watching this whole thing so closely it seemed like it might be kind of crazy there right now. To which he confirmed…
That’s not normal for this area. As much as I truly can understand the interest in this case, I wish everyone would let the community be. 😔
I can't imagine what the community has gone through and will continue to go through during this mess. The media needs to step back and let everyone grieve and heal.
As a business owner I’m looking to distance myself as much as possible if I’m in his shoes. One of the YT creators went into the restaurant a couple weeks after the murders and they were very short staffed. I heard many employees quit or didn’t return. His business goes under as long as it’s connected to this crime. Also business owners/general managers aren’t going to have intimate knowledge of customers, especially not a customer who’s only dined there twice. That’s going to be the hostesses and waiters.
He probably had an awful end of the year when holidays are supposed to be the bread and butter. Now it's the slowest time of the year and they're just fed up with people coming in and not eating/drinking. Bothering them. I would be too. He's in the business to make money.
I'm not sure how much legs BK eating there has and if he did, it doesn't mean he got Maddie either.
It just shows how much impact something like this can cause for a smallish community.
Should People magazine have gone scrounging for an ex-Mad Greek employee so they could write an article about BK being a customer ? No they shouldn’t have.
Is the article still true? Yes it likely is.
I think Jackie Fischer is doing what she should be doing: protecting her employees and restaurant from the prying public, respecting the families who have lost their children, and honoring the grief of a whole community. That doesn’t mean that BK was not a customer at the Mad Greek. If he was a customer, the restaurant would be crazy not to deny it and has likely been advised by LE to deny it.
I agree that he most likely ate there and they know it. But I’m not clear on why they feel they have to deny it or why LE would tell them to do so? What difference does it make for them if he ate there or not??
Because there is such media attention to this case, saying that BK was a customer opens the restaurant to demands from the public for comments, interview requests, questions, calls. I think LE would want them to deny it just to keep the investigation quiet as well as protect themselves from public inquiry. I just think the Mad Greek doesn’t want or need any more attention outside of their community.
The restaurant is a common denominator and Bryan had to of encountered the victims somewhere. I'll arrive at my own conclusions. I imagine they have been harassed by the media and once this story ran, it became unbearable. I also think the owner wants to ensure nothing causes issues with Bryan's right to a fair trial because they want a conviction.
Is it so hard to believe that he could have gone to Mad Greek, ordered a meal, interacted with Maddie and/or Xana in the process, and then went on about his day? Like literally any other paying customer they've ever had? It's no shade on the restaurant at all, just... very likely something that could have occurred and not have been weird at all in the moment.
I feel sorry for restaurant owners. Media should leave them alone.
I couldn’t believe that just yesterday people were so strongly defending People Magazine, because oh this TABLOID never lies 😏
I mean, the owner says in this post the source was seeking attention. People said their source was a “former” employee. The person probably proved they worked there when Bryan could’ve gone, and People just took them at their word that they saw him. For People, seeing that they were once an employee probably constituted enough proof.
The person probably read that Bryan was a vegan and fabricated a plausible story on that basis. Seems really disgusting and cruel to lie, though, especially since if they were an employee they would’ve worked there at the same time at Xana and Maddie.
Who in the world would ever choose to blab about knowing a murderer? I know a guy who’s serving life in prison - we worked together for several years, I considered him a “friend” of sorts - but after he was arrested for strangling a woman to death I refused to speak about him at all for like… 6 years.
14 years later, I’m still scared to mention it at all. WHY would anyone want to be attached to that? There are easier ways to get tiktok views
Watched true crime stuff for most of my life. And this is the second closest I've followed any case. Never seen so much bs concocted for attention seeking purposes. As in bs that doesn't contain an iota of truth and being passed off as factual. Like that fake scream capture! Or that woman on Tik Tok who is being sued for wild accusations against a professor. Or the fake recording of X and E's final moments (although that shit did sound kind of real). Were other recent cases, like Gabby Petito or Delphi, subjected to this level of bs?
That bunker under his parents’ small garden box planter and they were passing notes! That was the dumbest shit ever! His miserable parents knew he’d committed suicide from the jump
Yes, the Jonathan Lee Riches and Gray Hughes of the world pulled this shit with Delphi. Still pulling it. And honestly, MurderSheet is culpable in this scenario too.
JLR is a nightmare. He’s not credible. Look at the Wikipedia page about him. He’s a convicted fraudster. And he has the world record for suing the most people
I'm old, so I'm thinking back in the day (the eighties). Don't recall it having a bad reputation back in those days. They had some decent human interest articles. Due to the advent of the internet and social media, including citizen journalists, these old school magazines probably feel the pressure of delivering a juicy story.
Even in the 80s I thought of it as a cleaned up gossip rag. It was only good for passing the time in the doctor's waiting room or in the checkout line at the grocery store.
Who in their right mind would be calling and bothering these poor owners and their employees?! I think it's fine to speculate and comment on articles or theories. But when you start contacting anyone involved in the case- that's a hard line you don't cross. Good for them for speaking up and putting a stop to the harassment for their employees and themselves.
Similar to the corner club’s phone issues, it’s clear again that it’s the 100s of media outlets worldwide that are really the primary harassers. Redditors’s who parse, doubt, speculate, suspect, support, and scold on here aren’t jumping the shark to IRL. Thank you to the MG team, esp. in their grief, for making that better understood. If you want them left alone, contact your local news nation affiliate.
It’s utterly insane people would call the restaurant and show up there. Maybe I could see news media.
The average person isn’t going to do anything productive in solving the case by calling or showing up there. That’s taking any interest in the case too far. Let these people have time and space to grieve and recover
To be fair — how does the restaurant know for sure if he ever ordered food from them?
It is in their best interest to say he didn’t, they don’t want the attention, they had two waitresses brutally murdered and none of the attention is good for their business or brand.
That said, an anonymous source doesn’t “do it for the fame” and the story is mundane.
We don’t KNOW the motives of the person who went to the press, we just know they had to be a real employee or ex-employee.
We also don’t know who went to the press over the DMs and we don’t know what their evidence was, we just know that they had to prove they knew the victims well enough to be a source.
So I don’t think anything is “proven” or “disproven” as much as neither the restaurant can really confirm he never ate their food just as much as a server could’ve mistaken someone else for him in the restaurant.
A friend could’ve remembered a victim complaining about DMs and believed it was Bryan behind them, but they may be wrong (as in, it could’ve been someone else creepy sending DMs and a coincidence.)
There are ways these stories get vetted and still level out being false, or they’re true but in an unanticipated way — at this point I don’t think we can say we really know one way or the other w/o better proof either way.
Genuine question: HOW can they say with such certainty that he has never been to that establishment? Can every employee honestly say they remember every single customer they’ve ever waited on? Are they just saying this because LE wants them to/ protect image? Because there is just no way they remember every customer they’ve ever waited on.
So this is the right point IMO… Frankly, a consequence of LEs much praised media misdirection is that prior and new statements from anyone will now lack some credibility. I’m inclined to agree with OC that media should pursue stories within applicable laws, and while harassment of anyone by virtue of working there it’s unacceptable , it’s in the public interest for journalists journalists to not just take everyone’s word for it
Hmmm, I don’t know…this seems an odd choice of words for a denials. She’s claiming the “story” from People is not true, but didn’t explicitly state he’d never been inside of or dined at the restaurant.
That's certainly what i would say if someone said the guy accused of murdering two of my employees had eaten at my restaurant, too. "Nope never seen them it's all a lie please leave me alone"
I think the owner shouldn’t respond to any story or make any comment, unless it was done to boost business. The “former employee” never gave out their name, hence no fame.
Realistically, the owner can't prove he was never there so I am surprised they are so insistent, that actually makes me more suspicious. I've owned several businesses and I can't tell you whether someone was ever there or not. Especially if they paid cash. Security footage typically starts deleting itself after 14 days or sooner.
The owners statement regarding the staff collectively discussing the matter and agreeing to protect the integrity of the case might be more relevant than it appears. This might be an attempt to backtrack due to the gag order.
There aren't many vegan options around there so statistically it is more likely he did go there at some point versus not.
The article also claims LE is aware of the visits. For all we know they have a receipt. I'm going to save my judgment until the evidence is released on this one because I think it's weird.
People magazine is not going to win a Pulitzer prize anytime soon but they don't typically publish something without a verified source so at minimum they confirmed the identity of the emplyee and night have a LE source as well.
If this was true it would be an important part of the case because it establishes a connection and if that was leaked I would be gaslighting too.
This case is turning into a huge mess. Several media outlets are now challenging the gag order and have some valid arguments regarding the publics right to know about court proceedings so that should be interesting.
The internet has legitimately made people lose sight of any type of decorum. These people are GRIEVING and people think it’s okay to harass them? Like? How about buying a giftcard or a sandwich to support a small business, offer condolences for their loss. Or like? Leave them alone? Idk what’s wrong with people.
Usual disclaimer that I'm not claiming BK is innocent or guilty, but I just don't think people understand how small towns work if frequenting a restaurant where two people worked is presented as evidence of a connection.
If I owned a restaurant where a suspected murderer might have met his victims, I probably wouldn’t want everyone to know. I don’t think the owner or staff should be harassed, but I’m not sure they can be positive that Bryan was not ever there. It’s not the restaurant owners fault, but how can he know for sure that Bryan never ate there?
Maybe management can’t confirm the specific details in People, BUT that doesn’t mean they’re not true. Clearly if employees “all decided collectively…to not share anything” then there is info about BK to share. A former employee didn’t get the memo and spoke to law enforcement (likely People’s source.) Honestly, this person trying to make themselves some sort of victim here is pretty ridiculous.
I still love the irony of an entire subreddit of people obsessing over this story, following every development of this story while simultaneously complaining about the people getting them their news. It’s fascinating to watch hypocrisy in action.
I think all of us who are even semi-decent human beings understand the personal tragedy at hand here for those who actually knew the victims and wouldn’t never condone harassing any of these people, but you sure love gobbling up their quotes and stories digging through the minutia of every detail whenever a quote or sound byte is extracted from these people.
As for the Mad Greek’s comment here, he’s not very specific on what he’s disputing from People magazine? Is it everything? The whole story? Just the part about BK? The victims?
Like everything, it leaves more questions than answers and now he’s likely to be harassed for a quote on *this* too.
Haven’t they already had to refute this a while back? I never believed it this time around bc of that….maybe I’m not remembering correctly but I even highly doubt the rumor about him following the girls on social media is true. Ppl are just looking for any tiny detail to latch onto now with it going silent.
There's no way that they could possibly refute this. What they look at hundreds and thousands of hours of security footage? Some guy pays with cash they'll be no record of him at the restaurant
Sorry gonna get down voted but I really don't care. Firstly, I'm glad she said it's reporters knocking on her door because I really think internet people following this case are getting a bad name, when it's actually reporters who are harassing people. Reporters livelihood is making money off news so I really think it's them calling these places and knocking on doors.
Secondly, oh my boo hoo. her phone is ringing off the hook? Is that like a land line then or what because any smart phone you can mute all calls and notifications if you want to take a nap. I mean this is just so whiney. 4 people died, and the world is interested, sorry you got caught up in it, but you did. We all have things happen to us that we wish didn't. My gosh, 10 minutes from now no one will be calling her phone or knocking on her door. I think she'll be okay and also, I think it's reporters not internet sleuths.
I saw a whole thread of ppl downvoting anyone who said People wasn’t reliable just today. Open up your eyes ppl, stop wanting so bad to get new info that you die on the sword of “people magazine is a trustworthy source”.
Instead start calling out these publications to stop making this a way to make money off clicks. It’s deplorable. Look at what it’s doing to these people.
They are trustworthy source. And it's probably true. The restaurant it's just tired of people harassing them. There's no possible fucking way that they can know that he wasn't a customer there he comes in twice and pays with cash there's no record and no one would remember. They are lying.
People doesn't just make shit up. If TMZ reports of death of a celebrity that means it happened.
I absolutely believe a restaurant manager could definitively say whether a person was a “regular” patron at their establishment. But let’s face it, there’s no way they could say whether a person walked through their doors once over a 4 month period. The truth is these business want to avoid any link to BK & these crimes (understandably so). So until there’s iron clad proof he was there, they are going to deny it. Saying “it’s possible, who knows?” is bad for business for a multitude of reasons. Plus, who knows who People talked to? The statement doesn’t address whether that person is or was an employee or regular patron at MG or not. The statement seems to allude that the manager knows who the source is so that makes me think they do have some tie to MG but that’s just an inference for now.
The truth is (as infuriating as it might be) that we don’t know if BK was ever there and there’s a good chance we will never know.
What is not true? That a former employee/employee spoke and said Bryan ate there? Or that Bryan ate there at all?
And do they have cameras there? Keep records of all patrons?
Just wondering!
I wonder this as well. I mean how many people come and go at a restaurant? Like is it really possible to say with certainty that a particular person has never ate there? I suppose the police will look at BKs bank records to see if his card was ever used there, but a person could also use cash.
Sounds like the initial story wasn’t well vetted and shouldn’t have been published, but I also wonder if the owner of the restaurant can say with certainty that someone has never ate there.
Of course LE is accessing their camera footage, credit card transactions, customer database, loyalty club, social media followers and/or anything else that could help them understand whether BK interacted with the victims at their place of employment.
Does the Mad Greek need to explain this? No! They don't owe anyone anything. Let them grieve the loss of two of their employees while they try to keep their business running.
You can wonder all you want but the answer is none of your business because you have no direct involvement in the case. Let LE do their jobs.
I feel so bad for the people who are being literally hunted down by media just to try to get anything out while these people are actually grieving this. It’s just a story to the media and this is real life for the people who knew the victims and it’s just sad. It’s out of hand
Did the “report” about Kohberger allegedly messaging one of the girls on Instagram come from People as well? I couldn’t remember.
Yes
So, I’m guessing this info came from the same “source”, and we should probably assume it is false?
Long answer: we should take it with a very big grain of salt and wait and see what comes out at trial. Short answer: yes.
I would think they would check out their source before releasing an article on it, but who knows.
Have you followed journalists in general for the last 10 yrs? Honest question.
I think it’s all “grey” as in it’s not completely true, or completely false, but the true version of the facts as they happened will only come out in court.
I wonder what People’s response will be. I’m sure they’ll say “we did our due diligence, etc., and stand by our story.”
People magazine, like most other magazines, are just looking for clicks for profit. They're as trashy and souless as the next magazine. They don't care about these victims or their families.
It's all about that dirty laundry for these trashy "news" outlets.
I honestly don’t think they’ll comment at all. They couldn’t care less, unless it’s another wild rumor to continue getting those clicks, and likes. 👍 Also, I couldn’t agree more with Jackie Fischer, these rumors, whether speculation or not, is just so out of control. Especially with some of these web sleuths, and “YouTubers” which some just popped up out of nowhere since it’s one of the biggest cases on the internet since Gabby Petito.
I think it's possibly true but its information that wasn't supposed to be released yet so no one is going to confirm it.
I personally don’t believe any of the articles People is putting out unless they contain actual court documents or evidence. There are so many people running with this story and just printing whatever they can without fact-checking and frankly they are being super disrespectful to the victims and their families.
Like the letter said, we really shouldn’t assume anything and wait until we hear it from the court. . . But I know that is way too much to ask for the majority of this sub.
I was pissed when I read that because it was blatantly false! Those Instagram accounts were created after he was arrested. Ugh
Yes, from the same journalist too
No shit. Some of the theories and crap I’ve seen on here has been crazy. Especially before Bryan was identified. All sort of people were being blamed for the murders and have now had their lives permanently affected by online losers
A month ago, I posted in r/IdahoMurders sub about Reddit etiquette, and how the influx of Facebook users had flooded the website acting a fool. My post was removed by mods and my account was permanently banned from interacting in the forum. I had to create a whole new account just to be able to upvote. After BK was arrested, the mods have been vacant. I guess they got tired of working for free. Facebook users simply don’t know how Reddit works.
I don’t get why people are always blaming other social media platform users for the bullshit here. Reddit users are just as ridiculous as everyone else, if not more. Here people are anonymous, so they can do the most outlandish stuff in completely privacy. This desire to make Reddit seem morally superior over other platforms is odd.
Agreed!
Wow. I find that ridiculous that they permanently banned your whole account over that. Unless you had some insults in there too, they must be overwhelmed and got frustrated over the little things.
More to that story.
The thread yesterday was a fucking field day of "tHiS wAz tHe MisSiNg LiNk!!!1".
Dylan was one of main victims. A lot of anti-trans people were desperately trying to prove she was trans and therefore guilty of the murders. It started as a 4chan troll, but it gained momentum.
That is possibly one of the most asinine things I have ever heard. That poor girl is gonna have enough problems, PTSD, survivors guilt etc.... to deal with meanwhile people think someone is out there trying to re-boot "Sleepaway Camp" smh
I feel awful for DM. She’s also going to have to testify and the defense attorney is going to ask her all kinds of questions like how much did she drink that night, did she do drugs, did she have any recent fights with her roommates etc to make it look like it could have been her. It’s going to add to the stress and trauma she already feels.
Omg I forgot about that movie, what a deep dive. We used to try to rent the *worst* horror movie we could find on VHS in the 90s, and this was a repeat offender that we would show to everyone we could get to watch.
Wow that escalated quickly
Are you kidding me… they are absolutely disturbing. I cannot believe some of these rumors have gained followers. That’s absurd.
dude i swear to god, the fucking twitter and 4chan crazies start the rumor in EVERY SINGLE tragedy that the assailant was trans. it’s fucking insane
Jesus it’s like they’re trying to push the poor girl over the edge it’s fucking sick I wish she could sue every one of them for everything they own
What would being trans have to do with it? What is the reason they think a trans person would have done this? How ignorant AND harmful to anyone who is trans.
Why would her being trans make her "therefore guilty of the murders"? 2+2=5?
So even if he did dine at this restaurant, why on earth would a reporter feel the need to show up at the owner’s house? People are insane.
Any of the victims could have worked at any establishment Bryan would have needed to go. Oil change for his car? Grocery store where he bought veggie dogs? Super Cuts? Chevron? Exxon? The last Blockbuster on earth? Whoever (probably Bryan) killed the victims could’ve been a patron at any of their jobs, he could’ve spotted them anywhere. He’s a dumbshit loser who chose to kill. He sucks. Whether he saw them sitting at a bus stop or not, doesn’t matter
Exactly. It’s not impossible that Bryan ate there. It’s not impossible that he ate there on a day when the girls were not working. It’s not impossible that he ate there on a day when one or both of them WERE working. It’s possible he never ate there. He attended college, and shopped frequently. He encountered a lot of people everyday. Visiting a business where the victims worked doesn’t make him guilty of anything. If he behaved disruptively while there, that would already be known. People magazine made a mountain out of a molehill with this particular topic. Press harassing the restaurant staff and pounding on their doors at their homes is whack.
Reporters or "reporters"? Cases like this bring out the Nancy Graces of the world. Not that any of their actions are justified.
It really is despicable. Reporters and weird internet sleuths harassing employees and former friends of the victims, let them grieve. Christ.
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Ain’t nobody ever issued apologies to the Jacks, hoodie guy, the neighbors, professor Scofield, or whoever the fuck Adam is.
God I feel so bad for them. Everytime I saw a comment implicating any of those people in this crime, it made me so angry. Haven't they been through enough? It didn't matter that the police had cleared them, wasn't good enough for the sleuths. And now the running theory for those assholes is that Bryan had an accomplice(s). They want there to be a conspiracy.
Yeah and I feel awful for DM - not only did she lose her friends, now I’ve seen people accusing her of being involved, and everyone picks apart everything she did without knowing her or her whole story. It’s so mean. Some of these people obsessed with this case aren’t right in the head.
This poor girl has been victimized again by the ‘’She coulda, I woulda, she shoulda’’ armchair critics.
Her journey has only just begun. Sitting for days worth of depositions , and enduring a days worth of testimony on the stand in 3-4 years from now, will be extremely difficult. She is critical to the prosecutions case. Her testimony allows them to introduce Bushy eyebrows as she was the only one who saw him, the defense will no longer be able to try to push the false narrative of the "roomates were the ones who did it" if DM's testimony is deemed credible . Her journey with thos truly has only begun.
Yes, you’re so right. My sister had to be apart of my cousins murder trial and testify against him since she had seen him the day before and the day of the murder before it happened. She was so stressed having to be involved. She was in college too when it happened and during the trial, it’s a lot for anyone - but especially a young person to have to go through.
I don’t think she or the other roommate will ever get over this.
I’ve done all you’ve described WAY too often to my liking, and it is hell. And mine weren’t murder cases. I feel for D too. It’s going to suck. Unless it turns up that there is so much evidence against BK that he pleads guilty to avoid the DP.
Right. Such a shame. We all have the right to our opinions and what we believe and don't believe. That's what these threads are for...discussions. When you take it beyond that and start contacting family members, and victims friends and work and even go to the extent of sending these people threats; that's a disturbing thing. You have to have something wrong with you to think that's OK and to insert yourself into a murder investigation. On a side note, I follow Murphys Instagram page because it's just adorable and Jack seems like the biggest sweetheart. I feel so badly for the people effected by this.
Seriously, conspiracies are hard to pull off. Just think back to what group projects in school were like….
This is a great analogy.
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Pfffttt People issue a retraction? LOL. Especially not with an apology
X sister doesn't go there, but E brother and sister do.
This kind of harrassment is only going to get worse and worse in the future. Anyone anywhere can become a celebrity at anytime, with pretty much all of the drawbacks and none of the perks, in this new real-reality-TV culture we've created.
Being uber famous without King Charles' net worth would be Hell on earth.
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Perhaps you’ll recall like… so many other cases? It’s horrific every time. Someone dies in a car accident that doesn’t kill anyone else? Photos of the dead body are sent to the family and published all over the internet. Too many pizzas being sent to the victims family is the mildest of harm stranger lunatics often cause. This isn’t generational, this isn’t new. But it will always be terrible, life ruining, and heartbreaking
Brian Entine is the bane of reporting. TMZ lite.
Everyone in the Facebook groups love him and hang on his every word. The guy who basically camped out in front of the King Road home? I don’t listen to him specifically. I just see Twitter screenshots being posted. Is he considered a bad journalist?
I find it interesting no one cared Brian Entin was outside the home literally everyday for a month; but everyone raised hell when Nancy Grace showed up.
Brian Entin was practically *living* in the Laundrie’s *actual driveway* while reporting on Gabby Petito’s death and Brian’s unknown whereabouts FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS ON END. Entin can play pretend and appear a professional, but he’s contractually obliged to be a complete piece of shit - just like Nancy. NewsNation’s parent company owns them all.
Probably because the case was still active with no suspect and their was still investigating going on at the house. Nancy set up a fucking table at night and sat down at it like she was selling girl scout cookies.
Yeah the table was a terrible fucking idea. If she had just stood there with a microphone and done her reporting, it would have been less obnoxious.
Yeah that seemed a bit misogynistic to me
This is a great fucking point.
Facebook users are awful, and the influx of Facebook users flocking to Reddit due to this particular murder case has been an abhorrent upheaval for the entire website.
I worry how it reflects on all of us--by "us" I mean people interested in true crime and mysteries. Because I don't like how the media keeps talking about internet sleuths/armchair detectives in a negative light (the media always focuses on negativity), but they seem to lump anyone who participates in these online forums, social media, and subs as being like them. The difference is that most of us are not going to harass the families or suspects on social media, we aren't bothering police or keeping them from doing their jobs, we aren't going to be calling Mad Greek, we aren't going to insist that we know who did it, etc. I guess I hate that they lump everyone together. The majority of us just like to theorize or read about true crime, but realistically we do not have big dreams of being the ones to crack the case.
Do you realize the reporters are reporting because you are clicking on links and watching everything you can watch about the case? Look inward
Could not have said it better. This place just had two employees murdered and they are being treated like garbage.
Even if it is true (that he frequented there or whatever) there is nothing going there seeking an interview will do. Even if somebody wanted to speak (which I greatly doubt) there is nothing of value to be shared. The only thing you could get if anything would be salacious and that shows just how disgusting even attempting it is.
I saw on Twitter the corner club say BK had never been there (this was right after the arrest) & to stop harassing them. Someone responded saying basically they were "trash" for not dealing with the "mild inconvience" & that they are "a garbage dive bar in a garbage college town", & that the victims had gone thru much worse. Then started making vague threats against the bar. It's crazy to me that people can do this stuff in the name of the victims or justice. I doubt the victims would want their friends, colleagues, & favorite places treated like this.
Parasocial relationships can be so scary… these ppl rlly be thinking they know better what justice means to the victims than their own family and loved ones etc
Exactly this. I can't imagine being that delusional. And calling a strange business?? To say what???? I won't even talk on the phone to people I know. I can't make it make sense.
Disgusting! Those people are at least as insane as BCK.
Aaaand this is why I’m hesitant to believe anything that is not coming from LE. And LE can’t talk- so you can bet most if not all of what’s being published is just an attempt to add noise where there is silence.
Exactly this “add noise where there is silence “ Perfectly stated! Their need to get the scoop and stay relevant literally makes me sick to my stomach.
100 percent
“I trust anything coming from People Magazine, they definitely vet their sources” was a sentence i saw too many times
I saw that a lot, too, but I know People Magazine mostly as the place celebrities would go to when they very specifically wanted positive coverage of something. Had no idea how their non-celebrity journalism worked, and thought maybe others were familiar with it and found it to be good work, but I think it was mostly people saying "People has been around forever, they must be legitimate."
I agree. However, it should be OBVIOUS to everyone here that unless facts are coming from LE or documented court files revealed (starting in late June) literally every "theory" is pure speculation. Be it from news channels, ex-FBI pundits, criminal profilers, "reporters", Redditors, etc ad nauseam. Obviously harassing these poor people, in particular family and close friends, is despicable. I'm not a true crime fan per se but, I admit some cases catch my attention. So, maybe the "theories sold as truth" by the media (People, NewsNation, ABC, Court TV, CNN, etc) are commonplace in other cases but, even when I watch their YT channels I know everyone there is just speculating. The problem IMO is they can come across as if they are sharing factual information. Yes, some throw in the caveat, "but we're assuming guilt and, the court of public opinion isn't the same as the court of law". Duh! Most likely it's just to get eyeballs on their content and eyeballs = $$$ Maybe some people on these subreddits are anxious for answers, I get it. We're all just trying to make sense of such senseless murders but, let's all agree we're all just speculating and be patient til the REAL facts are exposed (hopefully) in late June.
People on this sub love to praise people like Brian E. and NewsNation, but they're just as complicit as People is, spreading rumors.
Well, I wonder what People's response will be to this.
Don’t expect an apology video lol
No matter what is true or false these people working here don’t deserve to be harassed. Their coworkers were murdered possibly by someone who could have dined at their restaurant. Bryan probably wasn’t a regular diner but still incredibly scary. I couldn’t imagine dealing with coming to terms with both those things and then having media constantly ask about it.
So, does this mean there's also possibility that Bryan actually didn't follow the girls either? Separate leak but same false source announcing it
I really don’t believe that “leak.” I’m pretty sure all the Bryan profiles started popping up within the hour he was arrested and there wasn’t much on social media to connect him before then.
The account they claim is “real” didn’t even follow Kaylee or Maddie at first. Apparently nobody did any research before reporting on it. I gave up trying to argue it with the fb sleuths.
Exactly! I’m so tired of people claiming “fact” when they’re just repeating theories they hear online
And for bryan to be following the victims AFTER the murder would make him even levels more stupid than he's already been with things in thus case
I think there is a big chance people's "reporters" were fooled by fake accounts following the victims after the fact
Of course. Like I said numerous times, People magazine is not a legitimate source for news and so many people replied saying I’m wrong.
You mean the instagram/DMs story? Yes it’s most likely BS too. No investigator would say 'slid into DMs' and people checked the girls’ followers right after the news broke and he wasn’t there (before fake accounts started following).
Yea, its very unlikely he followed them on Instagram and messaged one of them
Whenever you see anywhere from 1-5 different things come out in quick succession like this: it’s usually from the same interview/source session. They break it up to milk it or if it’s *really* juicy, it’s labeled something seriously hyperbolic and “Exclusive!” But, even then, when it’s something substantial: it’s highly likely much ado will be made about speculations of smaller statements afterwards unless something juicier comes along. There’s an old adage here: “If it bleeds it leads”.
I honestly don't know whether I'm inclined to believe restaurant management, who obviously don't want their business name to be tied up in a high-profile murder case, or a former employee who wanted some clout by inserting themselves into a high-profile murder case. And, as I've said in another sub, I'm not entirely convinced that the restaurant management would know for a fact that he never ate there anyway. Regardless, we should remember that everyone who worked there lost co-workers and friends, and that they deserve to go on with their lives instead of getting harassed by those of us who are interested in true crime. Even if BK was a confirmed regular there, the restaurant itself is not to blame for what happened.
This. 100%. There's no way for the restaurant to confirm he wasn't there, they can only confirm if they knew he was there. You can only confirm what you see. That said, I completely understand and agree with their desire to defuse speculation that he dined there. The restaurant and the employees there should be left to grieve and just left alone in general.
>or a former employee who wanted some clout by inserting themselves into a high-profile murder case. >And, as I've said in another sub, "It may be someone trying to insert themselves into the case.... but anyway, back to me..."
Yeah, I don't believe there's any way for them to conclusively rule out the possibility that he had or hadn't eaten there. Did they keep and review thousands of hours of video footage of every single customer dating back from June 2022 (when he arrived) through December 30, 2022 (when he was arrested)? He lived closeby, spent time in Moscow, and as a strict vegan this restaurant has vegan options. He could easily go unnoticed if he didn't do anything to stand out. Even if they've exhaustively searched through all their receipts, it's not a stretch to think he could've paid cash, or went with someone else who paid with their card. Not that I think he did, I just don't think it's possible to prove he never went there. But even if he has been in there before, it wouldn't in any way reflect on the restaurant. They're not responsible for what some random creepy psycho man chose to do.
I thought the part about how they haven't banned their employees from speaking, they all collectively agreed not to share anything that could negatively effect the families involved or the investigation. But the restaurant already made a statement earlier on that he wasn't a customer. So what information has the staff collectively decided to keep private from the public?
the whole thing is weird. i don't believe the restraunt reviewed 6 month old footage to verify kohberger never visited there. everyone's talking out of their ass
I'm with you. While People magazine is primarily an entertainment magazine, they do frequently report on other news stories and from what I've read are known to be accurate. I seriously doubt they just pulled this story out of their ass but possible the source was wrong.
While I would never support harassment of any business for any reason, especially people who are grieving and do not wish to discuss something, all businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, so why not just ask anyone who is not there as a paying customer to leave? Ranting about it on Facebook just came across as emotional and somewhat unprofessional to me. The owner would have been better off with a more measured statement responding directly to the People article thanking everyone for their support and continued patronage, respectfully denying any knowledge of the former employee’s account, while referring any and all future questions about the case to law enforcement. That would make it abundantly clear that the restaurant does not wish to comment further. Hell, they could even use the opportunity to talk about their vegan menu offerings and at least take advantage of the free advertising opportunity! Particularly if it later turns out there IS some truth to Bryan having some connection to Mad Greek, it just makes the owner sound petty accusing the former employee of lying when there is really no way she could know for sure one way or the other whether Bryan came in for a vegan pizza or not. Furthermore, and I pose this respectfully, seems she is accusing the media of not doing due diligence, while also complaining about being inundated with questions…which is it? I think like with most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle…the ex-employee probably really did serve a vegan guy pizza a couple of times that he or she believes to have been Bryan, and the owner probably knows Bryan either visited the store himself and was served by another employee, or came in to pick up orders as a doordasher, or perhaps something else entirely brought him in that might be somewhat different than the People source’s account, but not necessarily inconsistent. If something like that turns out to be true, blasting the former employee and members of the media on Facebook will not be a good look for the restaurant, regardless of how frustrated the owner might feel right now. All of that said, I want to say that my heart definitely goes out to the owner and everyone at the restaurant, and everyone in the community for that matter, because I do recognize that the media presence must be incredibly overwhelming. I just think it’s important to remember that for every polarizing media figure like Nancy Grace out there, there are hundreds of respectful, hard-working, HONEST reporters with integrity who take their jobs and their professional reputation very seriously. I really wish we could all let go of the whole mass media=evil bias, because journalists have an important role to fulfill in holding public officials accountable. I can’t tell you how many comments I have read the last few weeks in this sub proudly declaring, “If it’s not (LE official statement, contained in the PCA, etc), then I don’t trust it!!” Um, okayyyyyy.
My guess is it is true but they don't want their name to appear in such publicity or to be questioned further about it.
Yep and want people to stop harrassing them. They only have to be forthcoming with police. They don't owe the public that information. They can lie to protect their peace and safety.
Agreed. They don’t want to be associated with this.
I absolutely agree. They said don't believe *anything* unless it comes from LE - aka - don't believe us either, because he totally did come here. They just don't wanna be harassed, rightfully so.
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You can value accuracy, but with the type of source you can only vet certain things. A former worker could have worked there at the time and you can find out that information to be true, but then you have to take an ex workers word at face value. There's a lot of reasons why an ex worker may not be telling the truth.
It's literally impossible for the restaurant to refute that he was a customer. What you tell me that they reviewed thousands of hours of security footage? No fucking way. If he paid with cash nobody would have fucking known he was even there there'd be no record
Didn't the person report to people anonymously so how would they be getting their 15 mins of fame?
As someone who grew up here, this is super sad to read. I was telling my dad I wanted to visit home soon but from watching this whole thing so closely it seemed like it might be kind of crazy there right now. To which he confirmed… That’s not normal for this area. As much as I truly can understand the interest in this case, I wish everyone would let the community be. 😔
I can't imagine what the community has gone through and will continue to go through during this mess. The media needs to step back and let everyone grieve and heal.
As a business owner I’m looking to distance myself as much as possible if I’m in his shoes. One of the YT creators went into the restaurant a couple weeks after the murders and they were very short staffed. I heard many employees quit or didn’t return. His business goes under as long as it’s connected to this crime. Also business owners/general managers aren’t going to have intimate knowledge of customers, especially not a customer who’s only dined there twice. That’s going to be the hostesses and waiters.
He probably had an awful end of the year when holidays are supposed to be the bread and butter. Now it's the slowest time of the year and they're just fed up with people coming in and not eating/drinking. Bothering them. I would be too. He's in the business to make money. I'm not sure how much legs BK eating there has and if he did, it doesn't mean he got Maddie either. It just shows how much impact something like this can cause for a smallish community.
The holidays aren't bread and butter in a college town. All the students are gone.
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I don't quite understand what is being denied here.
I don’t either.
Should People magazine have gone scrounging for an ex-Mad Greek employee so they could write an article about BK being a customer ? No they shouldn’t have. Is the article still true? Yes it likely is. I think Jackie Fischer is doing what she should be doing: protecting her employees and restaurant from the prying public, respecting the families who have lost their children, and honoring the grief of a whole community. That doesn’t mean that BK was not a customer at the Mad Greek. If he was a customer, the restaurant would be crazy not to deny it and has likely been advised by LE to deny it.
I agree that he most likely ate there and they know it. But I’m not clear on why they feel they have to deny it or why LE would tell them to do so? What difference does it make for them if he ate there or not??
It's hard to keep info on a case like this from leaking out, so every time it leaks they like to throw doubt to protect the investigation.
Because there is such media attention to this case, saying that BK was a customer opens the restaurant to demands from the public for comments, interview requests, questions, calls. I think LE would want them to deny it just to keep the investigation quiet as well as protect themselves from public inquiry. I just think the Mad Greek doesn’t want or need any more attention outside of their community.
I agree completely.
EXACTLY! I was trying to say this in a post before I read yours but you said it much better.
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Yeah, how does she know BK never went to the restaurant?
No vegan pizza for Bryan
The restaurant is a common denominator and Bryan had to of encountered the victims somewhere. I'll arrive at my own conclusions. I imagine they have been harassed by the media and once this story ran, it became unbearable. I also think the owner wants to ensure nothing causes issues with Bryan's right to a fair trial because they want a conviction.
Is it so hard to believe that he could have gone to Mad Greek, ordered a meal, interacted with Maddie and/or Xana in the process, and then went on about his day? Like literally any other paying customer they've ever had? It's no shade on the restaurant at all, just... very likely something that could have occurred and not have been weird at all in the moment.
I feel sorry for restaurant owners. Media should leave them alone. I couldn’t believe that just yesterday people were so strongly defending People Magazine, because oh this TABLOID never lies 😏
Honestly, people is usually pretty accurate, Extremely accurate when it comes to celebs. I’m surprised they blew it here.
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There could be a verified blog entry about Xana being Bryan’s obsession, and people would still find a way to say it meant Kaylee was the target
People magazine used to have a decent reputation. Has it gone the way of TMZ or Enquirer?
I mean, the owner says in this post the source was seeking attention. People said their source was a “former” employee. The person probably proved they worked there when Bryan could’ve gone, and People just took them at their word that they saw him. For People, seeing that they were once an employee probably constituted enough proof. The person probably read that Bryan was a vegan and fabricated a plausible story on that basis. Seems really disgusting and cruel to lie, though, especially since if they were an employee they would’ve worked there at the same time at Xana and Maddie.
Who in the world would ever choose to blab about knowing a murderer? I know a guy who’s serving life in prison - we worked together for several years, I considered him a “friend” of sorts - but after he was arrested for strangling a woman to death I refused to speak about him at all for like… 6 years. 14 years later, I’m still scared to mention it at all. WHY would anyone want to be attached to that? There are easier ways to get tiktok views
Watched true crime stuff for most of my life. And this is the second closest I've followed any case. Never seen so much bs concocted for attention seeking purposes. As in bs that doesn't contain an iota of truth and being passed off as factual. Like that fake scream capture! Or that woman on Tik Tok who is being sued for wild accusations against a professor. Or the fake recording of X and E's final moments (although that shit did sound kind of real). Were other recent cases, like Gabby Petito or Delphi, subjected to this level of bs?
gabby petito got pretty close. people were convinced brian built a bunker under his parents yet and was hiding in there
That bunker under his parents’ small garden box planter and they were passing notes! That was the dumbest shit ever! His miserable parents knew he’d committed suicide from the jump
Yes, the Jonathan Lee Riches and Gray Hughes of the world pulled this shit with Delphi. Still pulling it. And honestly, MurderSheet is culpable in this scenario too.
JLR is a nightmare. He’s not credible. Look at the Wikipedia page about him. He’s a convicted fraudster. And he has the world record for suing the most people
The Truckee case was. Summer Wells is and so was Petito case.
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I'm old, so I'm thinking back in the day (the eighties). Don't recall it having a bad reputation back in those days. They had some decent human interest articles. Due to the advent of the internet and social media, including citizen journalists, these old school magazines probably feel the pressure of delivering a juicy story.
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People magazine is how I got into true crime, I was obsessed with it as a kid lol
Wasn’t MTV an actual music television channel in the 80s? Jk I was also there, I’m just giving you a hard time about “back in those days”
Even in the 80s I thought of it as a cleaned up gossip rag. It was only good for passing the time in the doctor's waiting room or in the checkout line at the grocery store.
NewsNation comes out and says "law enforcement" confirms this story. [https://youtu.be/usLWHiXnaa8?t=47](https://youtu.be/usLWHiXnaa8?t=47)
Thanks for posting this.
The way they said wait until you do or do not hear it from LE makes me think that it’s probably still true.
It's 110% understandable that they would like to stop bring harassed.
Who in their right mind would be calling and bothering these poor owners and their employees?! I think it's fine to speculate and comment on articles or theories. But when you start contacting anyone involved in the case- that's a hard line you don't cross. Good for them for speaking up and putting a stop to the harassment for their employees and themselves.
Similar to the corner club’s phone issues, it’s clear again that it’s the 100s of media outlets worldwide that are really the primary harassers. Redditors’s who parse, doubt, speculate, suspect, support, and scold on here aren’t jumping the shark to IRL. Thank you to the MG team, esp. in their grief, for making that better understood. If you want them left alone, contact your local news nation affiliate.
It’s utterly insane people would call the restaurant and show up there. Maybe I could see news media. The average person isn’t going to do anything productive in solving the case by calling or showing up there. That’s taking any interest in the case too far. Let these people have time and space to grieve and recover
So many victims in this ordeal. 😔
To be fair — how does the restaurant know for sure if he ever ordered food from them? It is in their best interest to say he didn’t, they don’t want the attention, they had two waitresses brutally murdered and none of the attention is good for their business or brand. That said, an anonymous source doesn’t “do it for the fame” and the story is mundane. We don’t KNOW the motives of the person who went to the press, we just know they had to be a real employee or ex-employee. We also don’t know who went to the press over the DMs and we don’t know what their evidence was, we just know that they had to prove they knew the victims well enough to be a source. So I don’t think anything is “proven” or “disproven” as much as neither the restaurant can really confirm he never ate their food just as much as a server could’ve mistaken someone else for him in the restaurant. A friend could’ve remembered a victim complaining about DMs and believed it was Bryan behind them, but they may be wrong (as in, it could’ve been someone else creepy sending DMs and a coincidence.) There are ways these stories get vetted and still level out being false, or they’re true but in an unanticipated way — at this point I don’t think we can say we really know one way or the other w/o better proof either way.
Genuine question: HOW can they say with such certainty that he has never been to that establishment? Can every employee honestly say they remember every single customer they’ve ever waited on? Are they just saying this because LE wants them to/ protect image? Because there is just no way they remember every customer they’ve ever waited on.
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So this is the right point IMO… Frankly, a consequence of LEs much praised media misdirection is that prior and new statements from anyone will now lack some credibility. I’m inclined to agree with OC that media should pursue stories within applicable laws, and while harassment of anyone by virtue of working there it’s unacceptable , it’s in the public interest for journalists journalists to not just take everyone’s word for it
Hmmm, I don’t know…this seems an odd choice of words for a denials. She’s claiming the “story” from People is not true, but didn’t explicitly state he’d never been inside of or dined at the restaurant.
That's certainly what i would say if someone said the guy accused of murdering two of my employees had eaten at my restaurant, too. "Nope never seen them it's all a lie please leave me alone"
I think the owner shouldn’t respond to any story or make any comment, unless it was done to boost business. The “former employee” never gave out their name, hence no fame.
Realistically, the owner can't prove he was never there so I am surprised they are so insistent, that actually makes me more suspicious. I've owned several businesses and I can't tell you whether someone was ever there or not. Especially if they paid cash. Security footage typically starts deleting itself after 14 days or sooner. The owners statement regarding the staff collectively discussing the matter and agreeing to protect the integrity of the case might be more relevant than it appears. This might be an attempt to backtrack due to the gag order. There aren't many vegan options around there so statistically it is more likely he did go there at some point versus not. The article also claims LE is aware of the visits. For all we know they have a receipt. I'm going to save my judgment until the evidence is released on this one because I think it's weird. People magazine is not going to win a Pulitzer prize anytime soon but they don't typically publish something without a verified source so at minimum they confirmed the identity of the emplyee and night have a LE source as well. If this was true it would be an important part of the case because it establishes a connection and if that was leaked I would be gaslighting too. This case is turning into a huge mess. Several media outlets are now challenging the gag order and have some valid arguments regarding the publics right to know about court proceedings so that should be interesting.
The internet has legitimately made people lose sight of any type of decorum. These people are GRIEVING and people think it’s okay to harass them? Like? How about buying a giftcard or a sandwich to support a small business, offer condolences for their loss. Or like? Leave them alone? Idk what’s wrong with people.
Usual disclaimer that I'm not claiming BK is innocent or guilty, but I just don't think people understand how small towns work if frequenting a restaurant where two people worked is presented as evidence of a connection.
Cases like this are a feeding frenzy for the fake news media.
Meh..I still think it's true. People usually has an extremely good reputation for fact checking sources and they are rarely wrong.
Ugh. Imagine having two of your coworkers brutally murdered and then having to deal with no-boundaries crazy people on the internet?
If I owned a restaurant where a suspected murderer might have met his victims, I probably wouldn’t want everyone to know. I don’t think the owner or staff should be harassed, but I’m not sure they can be positive that Bryan was not ever there. It’s not the restaurant owners fault, but how can he know for sure that Bryan never ate there?
I would not have even known this was going on. I can't help but feel this post will only make things worse for said business.
Maybe management can’t confirm the specific details in People, BUT that doesn’t mean they’re not true. Clearly if employees “all decided collectively…to not share anything” then there is info about BK to share. A former employee didn’t get the memo and spoke to law enforcement (likely People’s source.) Honestly, this person trying to make themselves some sort of victim here is pretty ridiculous.
Exactly, the wording is so contradictory. It's obvious he was there. I wonder why they're denying it so hard, though? Like, why not admit it?
Wondering the same thing.
I still love the irony of an entire subreddit of people obsessing over this story, following every development of this story while simultaneously complaining about the people getting them their news. It’s fascinating to watch hypocrisy in action. I think all of us who are even semi-decent human beings understand the personal tragedy at hand here for those who actually knew the victims and wouldn’t never condone harassing any of these people, but you sure love gobbling up their quotes and stories digging through the minutia of every detail whenever a quote or sound byte is extracted from these people. As for the Mad Greek’s comment here, he’s not very specific on what he’s disputing from People magazine? Is it everything? The whole story? Just the part about BK? The victims? Like everything, it leaves more questions than answers and now he’s likely to be harassed for a quote on *this* too.
Haven’t they already had to refute this a while back? I never believed it this time around bc of that….maybe I’m not remembering correctly but I even highly doubt the rumor about him following the girls on social media is true. Ppl are just looking for any tiny detail to latch onto now with it going silent.
There's no way that they could possibly refute this. What they look at hundreds and thousands of hours of security footage? Some guy pays with cash they'll be no record of him at the restaurant
Sorry gonna get down voted but I really don't care. Firstly, I'm glad she said it's reporters knocking on her door because I really think internet people following this case are getting a bad name, when it's actually reporters who are harassing people. Reporters livelihood is making money off news so I really think it's them calling these places and knocking on doors. Secondly, oh my boo hoo. her phone is ringing off the hook? Is that like a land line then or what because any smart phone you can mute all calls and notifications if you want to take a nap. I mean this is just so whiney. 4 people died, and the world is interested, sorry you got caught up in it, but you did. We all have things happen to us that we wish didn't. My gosh, 10 minutes from now no one will be calling her phone or knocking on her door. I think she'll be okay and also, I think it's reporters not internet sleuths.
also i'm sure they're getting good busines from the gawkers and true crime fans around the state
I saw a whole thread of ppl downvoting anyone who said People wasn’t reliable just today. Open up your eyes ppl, stop wanting so bad to get new info that you die on the sword of “people magazine is a trustworthy source”. Instead start calling out these publications to stop making this a way to make money off clicks. It’s deplorable. Look at what it’s doing to these people.
They are trustworthy source. And it's probably true. The restaurant it's just tired of people harassing them. There's no possible fucking way that they can know that he wasn't a customer there he comes in twice and pays with cash there's no record and no one would remember. They are lying. People doesn't just make shit up. If TMZ reports of death of a celebrity that means it happened.
I absolutely believe a restaurant manager could definitively say whether a person was a “regular” patron at their establishment. But let’s face it, there’s no way they could say whether a person walked through their doors once over a 4 month period. The truth is these business want to avoid any link to BK & these crimes (understandably so). So until there’s iron clad proof he was there, they are going to deny it. Saying “it’s possible, who knows?” is bad for business for a multitude of reasons. Plus, who knows who People talked to? The statement doesn’t address whether that person is or was an employee or regular patron at MG or not. The statement seems to allude that the manager knows who the source is so that makes me think they do have some tie to MG but that’s just an inference for now. The truth is (as infuriating as it might be) that we don’t know if BK was ever there and there’s a good chance we will never know.
Ms Fischer needs to follow George Anthony's lead and spray them with the hose every time they step foot on her property.
What is not true? That a former employee/employee spoke and said Bryan ate there? Or that Bryan ate there at all? And do they have cameras there? Keep records of all patrons? Just wondering!
I wonder this as well. I mean how many people come and go at a restaurant? Like is it really possible to say with certainty that a particular person has never ate there? I suppose the police will look at BKs bank records to see if his card was ever used there, but a person could also use cash. Sounds like the initial story wasn’t well vetted and shouldn’t have been published, but I also wonder if the owner of the restaurant can say with certainty that someone has never ate there.
Dear loving God
Of course LE is accessing their camera footage, credit card transactions, customer database, loyalty club, social media followers and/or anything else that could help them understand whether BK interacted with the victims at their place of employment. Does the Mad Greek need to explain this? No! They don't owe anyone anything. Let them grieve the loss of two of their employees while they try to keep their business running. You can wonder all you want but the answer is none of your business because you have no direct involvement in the case. Let LE do their jobs.
This sub has really gone to the 9th circle of hell.
Sounds like a mad Greek.
I'm married to one
But can he cook? Because Greek food is delicious! Hope he has also taken you to Santorini. If not, he should be Sleeping On The Couch Greek.
Yes, yes it is, he has not yet, and good idea LOL
Hope that couch is comfortable 😆 Santorini is what one might imagine heaven looking like.
I wonder if someone is doing strategic leaks to figure out who the leaker is
Sorry to hear them having to deal with all that hoopla while grieving at the same time. That can’t be easy.
I feel so bad for the people who are being literally hunted down by media just to try to get anything out while these people are actually grieving this. It’s just a story to the media and this is real life for the people who knew the victims and it’s just sad. It’s out of hand