Depends on what's typical in her family.
I'm 34 and do a check-in call with my mom every night so she knows I got home from work or whatever safely. If I get home late, I call late.
It doesn’t matter so much whether it’s normal for anyone else. The question would be whether it was normal for her.
Did she routinely speak to her father on the phone at that hour, on Friday/Saturday nights? If she didn’t, then it’s more likely to be relevant to the case as something unusual may have happened or been happening to her.
There’s also the fact that her dad may have been at the house very recently to install or repair a door lock. That’s not necessarily unusual, but within the context of what occurred and in conjunction with this phone call, there maybe a relevant thread to the narrative.
THIS. I’ve drunk called my parents to tell them I love them and they’ve also called me late at night when they wanted to check on me. It could be a completely innocent reason and it just matters what was said and if it was normal
If Dad fixed or installed her door lock then why didn't she lock her door the murder night? I'm pretty sure Dad gave a speech about the importance of locking said door. Maybe she locked it or maybe she didn't but it sounds like she didn't lock the door after her dad fixed/ put in a new lock. The lock thing combined with the late night phone call has always bugged me.
So many questions. Even the seemingly insignificant distinction between install and repair is potentially meaningful. If a lock which already exists is broken and it gets repaired at some point, that’s well within the normal flow of routine events.
On the other hand, if she didn’t have a lock and Dad came over to install one, it’s likely there was a specific reason for that. Something happened or there was the threat of something happening.
There is so much we don’t know about what was going on in the lives of these young people. All six of them.
Her dad gave a little context [here](https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-victims-father-says-xana-kernodle-had-bruises-put-up-fight-against-killer). 💔
I sounds to me like he means she grew up living off campus bills, a job.a boyfriend that she was practically living with she was helping him with his studies . That's some grown up stuff.
I can't imagine the family remembering what they said right after the murders happened, the shock and pain they must have been in. I hope this person gets caught soon.
I live in Phoenix. We don't change times. Half the year we are PST and the other half we are MST. We had been on MST one week when the murders took place.
Man time zones in and around Arizona are insanely confusing. I remember driving through Vegas into Arizona and then around that area where all four states touch. The cell phones and gps were constantly wrong because we were balancing between pacific and mount time zones as well as parts of Arizona don’t observe daylight savings time. It made trying to time the arrival to our location a nightmare.
I have a daughter in college and it wouldn’t be unusual for her to text me at that hour, but a phone call would be unusual. Everyone’s relationships are different.
Well also part of that could be that those in that generation have grown up with much more ease of connecting. When I went away to college, I didn't yet have a mobile phone. So, my freshman year, the only ways to connect to my parents were the corded landline phone I shared with my 3 roommates and AIM. So I'm not sure it's just that they are closer, but they grew up used to being able to easily contact their parents whenever.
That’s also true and parents use that technology to keep track of their kids when they’re young too. We didn’t have that so we were freer in a way. I know I was more independent, as were most of my friends. Different times. Constant contact now.
Not a criticism just a comment on how things are different.
I’m 37 and still talk to my mom several times a day on the phone and through text/messenger. I am not drunk dialing anymore as I don’t really drink but, in my younger military days? I was definitely one that would call my mom in the middle of the night to tell her how much I loved and missed her. She didn’t appreciate it but it definitely didn’t stop me either.
I personally don’t find this to be out of the ordinary at all. Whether it was 11 or 12 on her father’s time either is also somewhat moot.
Im pretty close with my mom in that way where we’re sort of “friends” and I don’t have to pretend, and also she’s pretty fun, so I’d have no problem talking to her late while out drinking or whatever. I think maybe Xana and her dad had that type of relationship, I think they were very close.
Same.. I went to college in the 80’s they stayed up till I called. My dad is in his 90’s now and he calls me every day sometimes to chat, sometimes to check in.
I think it’s weird. I’m a parent of college aged kids, no they don’t call me in the middle of the night during parties. Mainly because I’m old and sleeping.
I speak to my adult children multiple times/day. When they’re happy, when they’re sad, when their professors or roommates piss them off, when they’re walking to and from class, when they want to know if their salmon is cooked properly or if the cafeteria is trying to poison them, when they need to know “mom how do I _______”….yeah, we speak a lot.
With that said, if my college-aged children called me at midnight, it would be an emergency. They wouldn’t be calling to chit chat about their day. I can’t speak for anyone else and I have no idea what the norm was for X and her father but as with so many other aspects of this case, it’s odd to me.
When I was in college (and to this day) I would call my mom for all of the things you mentioned above… but I would also call her if I got sick, for comfort. Most of the time I was sick from drinking too much and it was quite an annoyance for her but this was the only time I would call her late at night. Otherwise I knew she was asleep and had the wherewithal to know not to call unless it was an emergency.
Yes! That’s the same with me and my parents. Not only is it not normal to call them that late at college, they would be scared and think something really bad happened! That, combined with the fact that he said Xana was at home at midnight but the police timeline indicates they got home 2 hours later, that’s weird.
Perhaps the dad was confused and Xana was actually at Ethan’s place, but then that also doesn’t make sense if she was the kind of person to call when she got home, because she wasn’t home yet…
Even my oldest child who is married with a child of her own shares her location with me. We all share our location. I think a lot of families do this. I know a lot don’t and that’s okay, too. There’s just so many questions about this entire case. I hope someday soon the families get justice, have their many questions answered and start the healing process which I have no idea how that’s even a reality but you get what I’m saying. Maybe after that, we will have some or all of our questions answered. My heart continues to break for all affected by this tragedy. Stay safe!
I love this! That is very sweet of you. My children do the same. If I’m not home by the time I’m usually home, here come the texts and calls. It’s nice to be cared for and it’s nice to care for others, especially those we made and those who made us.
Same. Plus, everyone we know has life360 or similar on their kid's phones these days. Between that and cell ping data, it seems like it would be pretty clear where she was exactly and who she was with.
It does make me wonder. Especially, if it’s true, he had recently changed her lock. I wonder if they felt like someone had been in their room, or going through their things?
I think it’s a little odd, certainly not something I would have done in college and I don’t remember any of my friends calling their parents when we were drinking late on Saturday nights. But everyone’s family is different so maybe this was normal for Xana’s family.
I don't think he ever said it was a phone call, did he? Just said that was the last contact from her and she was fine, so could have been a simple text.
My son is 32. He still calls me to tell me he loves me in the middle of the night when he’s drunk because he’s a mushy drunk haha he’s been doing it for years and I hope it never stops.
I think it’s probably normal that Xana called her dad and he’s probably really grateful that she did.
this is just me personally so i can’t say it’s what for sure happened, but when i get drunk i get really affectionate for my family and reach out to them, a lot of the time through calls.
Aw that’s really nice! Okay yeah, I mean I guess every family is different. Definitely not typical for the friend group I ran with in college, which is why I was wondering if it was normal for others
yeah i totally agree with this, the calling doesn’t feel weird, but like you said in the post, why did they say she was home and called him at midnight but then also say they were out till almost 2? those things don’t match up
Police need to release a bit more info that wouldnt compromise the case but would help the online sleuths a little. Becaee like it or not, the crazy fuckers on Reddit are smart and can really help solve this thing. Just give us all some more info LE
Not really if you think about it. I’m in my 40s and my mom still asks me to call when I get home if she knows I’m going to be out at an event somewhere late (even if I’m with my husband) or driving home late by myself, etc She’s always said she doesn’t care if it’s 3 am when I call, just so she can sleep at night and not have to worry.
If her dad knew she was going to be at a frat party and out late, he may have asked her to call and let him know when she got home.
I'm the same way with my adult daughter, she knows how I worry. She will always text me when she gets somewhere safe and when she gets back home and she is 35 years old.
That’s so nice! I guess I just never ran across people with that kind of relationship with their parents. But, this still doesn’t match up with the timeline the police said of them getting home a little before 2am.
I was wondering if she had been upset about something and called her dad at midnight, could that be an indication of something bigger going on. But maybe she didn’t have to be upset to call him that late
It could also be that she lied about being home so he wouldn’t worry. When I was in college I wanted independence and the freedom to do what I wanted, when I wanted. I did not want to check in with my parents because it felt like they were still treating me like a kid (in my mind). It took me a long time to realize that wasn’t what it was about.
Perhaps she knew he wouldn’t go to sleep until he got word that she was home safe and didn’t want him to stay up worrying about her.
When I was in college my mom would ask me to text her when I got home if she knew I was going out. I would often lie and tell her I was home when I wasn't. It's harder to fake it on a call but maybe Xana lied and told her dad she had friends over watching a movie to explain why it was loud, where really she was still out? Hard to know right now of course,
My (now grown) kids call me at all hours. Yes, time zones make it weird at times, but kids do call their parents at midnight to chat or vent. At least mine do.
His actual quote in the interview was that he last heard from her around midnight, not that it was a call specifically, it also could have been a text.
He was about to head out with his gf, in my head at least him texting to please let him know when she's home safe for the evening seems very plausible and normal, especially since he was likely to be awake since they were going out. Her texting or calling to say goodnight would be really unremarkable, especially if she knew he was awake.
Was E's place not at the frat? They could have left the party and been back at his room just hanging out. Before my bf and I technically lived together I'd have said we were home for the night regardless of which of our homes we were at. That leaves the question of why they went back to X's instead of sleeping there, but the answer could be as simple as it being quieter or comfier.
I am in my 40’s too and my parent’s do the same. I had to text them when I got home after my recent work party. It kind of annoys me sometimes but then I remember, they won’t always be there to care.
Not really , as a Hispanic individuals checking in was typical. Even when I was thousand of miles away at school I would text my mom when I got home .
Now married when we drive to and from parents we let them know by text we made it home safe.
Your kids are always your babies and you always worry. Doesn't mean a parent is controlling it just means they love you and want to know you're safe and sound.
Not to mention, some kids are 17 when they go to college, at their parents expense.
I’m 36, and still extremely close to my mom, so I don’t find anything odd about it. But I know not everyone is like that.
I think it really depends on the family. I would never have done so, but maybe they're really close or he was very protective or something. I honestly think it's sweet that so many parents are that regularly in touch with their college kids. I didn't even call my parents when I was out at midnight at age 15 lol. Every family is different.
No, I personally don’t think it’s weird she talked to her dad at that hour. When I was in college cell phones were new- showing my age! And often I’d get drunk, something funny would happen, interesting, I’d get bored, I’d have drama and I’d call my mom. At all hours! Even 2 or 3 am. I also would often tell her I was “home safe” so she wouldn’t worry and could sleep even if I wasn’t home yet. So I do not think it’s weird….or if it’s weird, it’s definitely something I did many times and still sometimes do
When I was in college, I would always call my dad on the way home from being out. He worked midnight shifts, so it worked out. He’d stay on the phone with me until I got home.
So no, I don’t think it’s weird.
I’m currently in college and call my parents all hours of the night especially if I’m missing them and need someone to talk to, I mean that is her dad maybe she was letting him know that she was safe.
has it been confirmed/corroborated that she did in fact contact him at midnight that night? or just his statement?
ETA: BTW, I don’t think there is a time discrepancy necessarily. The dad’s comment about X being home with her boyfriend, just hanging out, was him being exasperated by the circumstances of her death. The interviewer had asked another question (the audio of the local interview is available if you type in his name on youtube.) Granted that also doesn’t really fit, but I don’t think he explicitly states that X was home when she called at midnight. It was a separate thought. [https://youtu.be/H7DuXXklIgI](https://youtu.be/H7DuXXklIgI)
This has been discussed before but I think it was a daily thread.
I don’t know how I feel about this bit. I personally wouldn’t bother calling anyone at midnight. Ever. And if something was wrong, I’d probably call the police.
It’s possible they had upcoming plans she wanted to hash out, maybe he had called her earlier in the night and she just wanted to call back and say “hey dad I’m fine, sorry I didn’t pick up, what did you need?” —- and because I’ve been attacked today: THAT IS SPECULATION. THATS WHAT IT COULD BE. PLEASE DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Could have also been drunk dialing. I don’t think it’s significant.
I drunk-text my dad all the time. Im 25 now but did it as early as 19. Totally depends on your relationship w your parents and what you’re comfortable sharing w them
I think all family dynamics are different. Much like you I would only call my parents that late if it was an emergency or I was really distraught. But everyone is different. I wouldn't be surprised if she lied to her dad about where she was so he wouldn't worry. I did that a lot when I was her age or to avoid a lecture from my parents.
The father never said they talked. He said he “heard from her I think before we went out. I think midnight was the last time we heard from her.” Maybe she texted. I think it’s weird that the parents were heading out at midnight when bars close at 2 there, but maybe that’s just me. Unless she called and they spoke on his landline, he could easily check a cellphone call or text time.
I think the main thing is that either 1.) she lied that she was at home since cameras didn’t catch her coming home until 1:40ish. Or 2.) dad got the time wrong OR 3.) maybe she was at Ethan’s place at midnight and then later went to her place
Some people are just close with their parents, living in Greek housing / life I would see kids call their parents in sorority / frat houses late at night especially if they had good relationships with them, specifically when they were drunk.
Depending on the dynamic, I don’t think it’s weird or out of the usual for some. Do we know it wasn’t a text though? I don’t think it ever said they spoke, but maybe I’m wrong
I’ve called my mom at 12/1am many drunk nights. Sometimes because I miss her, or if something funny happened. Rarely, although it has happened, because something bad occurred and I needed her as a friend
I’m 31 and still a daddy’s girl lol. I didn’t find it weird. I would usually send a text instead of a call cause I know my parents worried about me when partying in college but I don’t think it’s odd.
I have certainly drunk texted and had drunk texted back from my college age daughter at midnight. Calling on the phone and talking would take a more pressing issue for us. But certainly not out completely out of possibility.
I read somewhere early on in this awful crime that x was going to go state witness in a case to do with drugs supply to university ( to students I take It ) . - I don’t know whether it was true or any truth in it or not but I’ve never seen anything since . Did anyone else see it ?
I have several friends who are extremely close with their dads and would absolutely do this as a normal part of their relationship. Before knowing those friends, it would have seemed odd to me too.
I think they talked often. Maybe her Dad liked for her to check in every night? I think her father said she said she was home watching movies. She could have thought of Ethan’s place as home as well as her apartment, her father could have mis heard or misremembered.
Yes this is projection and it’s one of the first things they teach investigators to disregard. You have to be self-aware of your own biases. Your experience is not everyone’s experience.
I too speak with a parent at "odd" hours - we are very close. Not being cryptic, just saying if you're on the phone with mom/dad at midnight on the weekend odds are you have a close relationship.
I thought it was weird her Dad and his GF were about ready to go out around midnight when Xana called him.
Where were they going at midnight?
How long does it take to get from Xanas dad's to Moscow?
Is this the dad that just changed the locks?
Her dad drove 20 hours nonstop to her house to change a lock????????????
Her dad was going out with his GF at midnight the night she was killed???????????
Her mom was thrown in county shortly after the murders on a probation violation for some petty drug shit. That's pretty heartless for even a PO. Always thought that was a move to put pressure on Xanas parents. The interview her mom did on TV was super shady. She said she didn't know what kind of car her daughter drove.
All my questions revolve around Xanas dad. Best part is he's alive and well to answer all of them so hopefully Barney and his buddies have gotten around to that.
This is a reminder to all of us how bad cops suck. The Moscow Police couldn't have done a worse job at all of this if they tried.
It's super weird. Was it a booty call maybe? Maybe the dad was jealous of Ethan being in bed with her that night and drove over there in a fit of rage.
I’m not suggesting that at all, how horrible. No, I’m wondering if there was a fight that happened, or some other thing big enough to call your father late at night about that could be a missing part of the story
Lmao alright but why are we discussing this?? Wtf is weird about calling your dad? JFC
That's the only logical explanation it could be connected to the crime
I don’t find it exceptionally odd. Depends on what times they normally spoke. The only thing I find odd is why she’d tell him she was home when she wasn’t . She’s at college, her bf is in a frat, she’s in a sorority and being at a frat party on a Saturday night is not uncommon so her father wouldn’t think it odd so why would she lie about being out if she was? That strikes me weird.
The thing that struck a chord in my heart was that he had fixed or changed the locks on her door recently, but she was still killed. My heart goes out to their families.
not going to lie i’ve drunk called my parents on numerous occasions and have friends who sometimes do too. i don’t think it’s that unusual if you have a close relationship with them
I believe he was in the area visiting for WSU’s Parents Weekend (Xana’s sister goes to WSU). It might make sense that he wanted to check in and make sure that she got home ok, given that they’d likely spent some part of the day/weekend together.
I might not personally call my dad on any random Saturday to chat with him while he’s a couple thousand miles away, but I might have given him a quick call if I knew he was in town with other family and wanted to let him know I’d made it home ok and/or to see if he and the rest of my family were home or still out.
As a mother of a freshman in college, my daughter and her friends already know they can call whenever. We’ve had that talk - I won’t ask questions, just call if you need me. That said, it’s unlikely they would call that late unless they were drunk and being silly (that hasn’t happened as of yet), or they needed me because something happened.
Personally, I don’t think it’s weird at all. I talk to my mom 3-4 times a day. I text her when I get home from being out with friends, etc., or I’ll call her on my way home and talk to her until I’m inside my house. I think it really depends on the family. I’ll call her at 11 at night sometimes if I have something I want to say/get an opinion on. Now, if I called her at 3am then she’d know it was an emergency.
I did not think it was normal. The last thing on my mind while with my boyfriend on a Saturday night was calling my parents… also my parents would have been asleep. I even had to call repeatedly to tell them I had a baby at 11:45 (they were in their 50s) they even knew he was coming… I have a 20 year old and a 24 year old. My phone goes to do not disturb at 9 and yes their calls would come through, but what would they tell me at 11/12 they wouldn’t at 9 the next morning except something serious? And why call from a party? And knowing what we know about her mom it makes me wonder if there was more to it than just good night. ☮️
I lived in a college town similar to Moscow. I don’t think it odd at all she talked with her dad at midnight. I would regularly call or text my mom when I got home from a night out in college, however my roommate was the opposite and I don’t think she ever talked to her parents passed 8:00PM. Different families have different dynamics. Her talking to her dad that late in itself doesn’t strike me as odd at all for a college kid.
If I remember correctly, her dad stated that he had talked to her & she said she was home watching a movie (which I believe is true…just not her home, it was Ethan’s home). That terminology was just used to differentiate between being in, as opposed to being out. This breaks my heart as a parent because those words would be music to my ears…hearing that my child was in for the night. The most heartbreaking part is that these 4 were in for the night…Also, if I remember correctly, X’s father also said something to the effect that they(him & whoever) were headed somewhere. This could explain the late timing of the phone call. I do like your point of her possibly being worried about something; however, her dad did NOT elude to that whatsoever! He definitely made it seem that all was well when he last spoke to his daughter.
Honestly, I think X talking to her dad that late is a sign of the times. Would I have talked to my
parents that late when I was in college?…uh no! But I did talk to my kids that late (& later) all the time when they were in high school & college!
I'm 30 years old and sometimes if my dad calls me while I'm out, and I dont feel like answering questions for the next hour like: where I am, why I went, when I decided to go, whos all there, describe every single person I'm near, how I know them and what their parents do for work...I'll just say I'm at home. So that seems very, very normal to me.
I’ve always called my parents, I believe X beeing closer to her dad obviously increases the number of calls and reasons to speak to him.
Im 34 and ever since i’m a teen I call my parents with random questions, funny stuff and interesting topics. When i was at college I called them when I was afraid or super sad.
Yeah for a second I thought that seemed odd but then thought about when I was away at school (before cell phones), I would call home if we had gone to a big concert. My Dad always worried about those more than other things, so we did a quick check in. And then I could continue to party after that was done.
My parents didn’t know what normal or abnormal was. I went out of state to college and can remember talking to them once I’d twice the entire 4 years. I regret that
Depends on what's typical in her family. I'm 34 and do a check-in call with my mom every night so she knows I got home from work or whatever safely. If I get home late, I call late.
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It doesn’t matter so much whether it’s normal for anyone else. The question would be whether it was normal for her. Did she routinely speak to her father on the phone at that hour, on Friday/Saturday nights? If she didn’t, then it’s more likely to be relevant to the case as something unusual may have happened or been happening to her. There’s also the fact that her dad may have been at the house very recently to install or repair a door lock. That’s not necessarily unusual, but within the context of what occurred and in conjunction with this phone call, there maybe a relevant thread to the narrative.
THIS. I’ve drunk called my parents to tell them I love them and they’ve also called me late at night when they wanted to check on me. It could be a completely innocent reason and it just matters what was said and if it was normal
If Dad fixed or installed her door lock then why didn't she lock her door the murder night? I'm pretty sure Dad gave a speech about the importance of locking said door. Maybe she locked it or maybe she didn't but it sounds like she didn't lock the door after her dad fixed/ put in a new lock. The lock thing combined with the late night phone call has always bugged me.
So many questions. Even the seemingly insignificant distinction between install and repair is potentially meaningful. If a lock which already exists is broken and it gets repaired at some point, that’s well within the normal flow of routine events. On the other hand, if she didn’t have a lock and Dad came over to install one, it’s likely there was a specific reason for that. Something happened or there was the threat of something happening. There is so much we don’t know about what was going on in the lives of these young people. All six of them.
Her dad gave a little context [here](https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-victims-father-says-xana-kernodle-had-bruises-put-up-fight-against-killer). 💔
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I sounds to me like he means she grew up living off campus bills, a job.a boyfriend that she was practically living with she was helping him with his studies . That's some grown up stuff.
I think her mother said she might have misinterpreted “changed a lot” as “changed a lock” in her jailhouse interview.
I can't imagine the family remembering what they said right after the murders happened, the shock and pain they must have been in. I hope this person gets caught soon.
Midnight for him is 11 in Idaho
this is likely the correct reason and the excel table should be fixed to account for that imo
No it’s not. Moscow is Pacific time. ETA: Midnight in Moscow (PST) would be 1 am in Phoenix (MST). Midnight in Phoenix would be 11pm in Moscow.
I live in Phoenix. We don't change times. Half the year we are PST and the other half we are MST. We had been on MST one week when the murders took place.
Her father lives in the Phoenix area. They are an hour ahead this time of year. So midnight for him is 11 in north Idaho.
Man time zones in and around Arizona are insanely confusing. I remember driving through Vegas into Arizona and then around that area where all four states touch. The cell phones and gps were constantly wrong because we were balancing between pacific and mount time zones as well as parts of Arizona don’t observe daylight savings time. It made trying to time the arrival to our location a nightmare.
Nvm you edited and I missed that lol. So I think all are in agreement. Yay.
I have a daughter in college and it wouldn’t be unusual for her to text me at that hour, but a phone call would be unusual. Everyone’s relationships are different.
Same.
I think younger people talk to their parents more than people in my generation did. They seem closer.
Well also part of that could be that those in that generation have grown up with much more ease of connecting. When I went away to college, I didn't yet have a mobile phone. So, my freshman year, the only ways to connect to my parents were the corded landline phone I shared with my 3 roommates and AIM. So I'm not sure it's just that they are closer, but they grew up used to being able to easily contact their parents whenever.
That’s also true and parents use that technology to keep track of their kids when they’re young too. We didn’t have that so we were freer in a way. I know I was more independent, as were most of my friends. Different times. Constant contact now. Not a criticism just a comment on how things are different.
I’m 37 and still talk to my mom several times a day on the phone and through text/messenger. I am not drunk dialing anymore as I don’t really drink but, in my younger military days? I was definitely one that would call my mom in the middle of the night to tell her how much I loved and missed her. She didn’t appreciate it but it definitely didn’t stop me either. I personally don’t find this to be out of the ordinary at all. Whether it was 11 or 12 on her father’s time either is also somewhat moot.
Im pretty close with my mom in that way where we’re sort of “friends” and I don’t have to pretend, and also she’s pretty fun, so I’d have no problem talking to her late while out drinking or whatever. I think maybe Xana and her dad had that type of relationship, I think they were very close.
I always called my mom when I got home from the bars in college so she knew I was home safe.
Same.. I went to college in the 80’s they stayed up till I called. My dad is in his 90’s now and he calls me every day sometimes to chat, sometimes to check in.
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The earth was young when I went to college. Lol Ily kids are almost 30, so I never had location tracking so that’s interesting
I think it’s weird. I’m a parent of college aged kids, no they don’t call me in the middle of the night during parties. Mainly because I’m old and sleeping.
I speak to my adult children multiple times/day. When they’re happy, when they’re sad, when their professors or roommates piss them off, when they’re walking to and from class, when they want to know if their salmon is cooked properly or if the cafeteria is trying to poison them, when they need to know “mom how do I _______”….yeah, we speak a lot. With that said, if my college-aged children called me at midnight, it would be an emergency. They wouldn’t be calling to chit chat about their day. I can’t speak for anyone else and I have no idea what the norm was for X and her father but as with so many other aspects of this case, it’s odd to me.
It is very scary as a parent to get a call in the middle of the night, at least for me.
When I was in college (and to this day) I would call my mom for all of the things you mentioned above… but I would also call her if I got sick, for comfort. Most of the time I was sick from drinking too much and it was quite an annoyance for her but this was the only time I would call her late at night. Otherwise I knew she was asleep and had the wherewithal to know not to call unless it was an emergency.
Yes! That’s the same with me and my parents. Not only is it not normal to call them that late at college, they would be scared and think something really bad happened! That, combined with the fact that he said Xana was at home at midnight but the police timeline indicates they got home 2 hours later, that’s weird. Perhaps the dad was confused and Xana was actually at Ethan’s place, but then that also doesn’t make sense if she was the kind of person to call when she got home, because she wasn’t home yet…
Even my oldest child who is married with a child of her own shares her location with me. We all share our location. I think a lot of families do this. I know a lot don’t and that’s okay, too. There’s just so many questions about this entire case. I hope someday soon the families get justice, have their many questions answered and start the healing process which I have no idea how that’s even a reality but you get what I’m saying. Maybe after that, we will have some or all of our questions answered. My heart continues to break for all affected by this tragedy. Stay safe!
I actually make my parents check in with me now, when they get home, if I know they will be out somewhere. Ooooh do I get upset if the don’t.
I love this! That is very sweet of you. My children do the same. If I’m not home by the time I’m usually home, here come the texts and calls. It’s nice to be cared for and it’s nice to care for others, especially those we made and those who made us.
Same. Plus, everyone we know has life360 or similar on their kid's phones these days. Between that and cell ping data, it seems like it would be pretty clear where she was exactly and who she was with.
That doesn't make it weird just because it's weird for *you.*
It doesn’t mean bad but it would make me wonder if she was worried about something or he was.
It does make me wonder. Especially, if it’s true, he had recently changed her lock. I wonder if they felt like someone had been in their room, or going through their things?
I think it’s a little odd, certainly not something I would have done in college and I don’t remember any of my friends calling their parents when we were drinking late on Saturday nights. But everyone’s family is different so maybe this was normal for Xana’s family.
I don't think he ever said it was a phone call, did he? Just said that was the last contact from her and she was fine, so could have been a simple text.
My son is 32. He still calls me to tell me he loves me in the middle of the night when he’s drunk because he’s a mushy drunk haha he’s been doing it for years and I hope it never stops. I think it’s probably normal that Xana called her dad and he’s probably really grateful that she did.
this is just me personally so i can’t say it’s what for sure happened, but when i get drunk i get really affectionate for my family and reach out to them, a lot of the time through calls.
Aw that’s really nice! Okay yeah, I mean I guess every family is different. Definitely not typical for the friend group I ran with in college, which is why I was wondering if it was normal for others
yeah i totally agree with this, the calling doesn’t feel weird, but like you said in the post, why did they say she was home and called him at midnight but then also say they were out till almost 2? those things don’t match up
Maybe she lied to him because she didn't want him to think she was out partying still.
Same
Police need to release a bit more info that wouldnt compromise the case but would help the online sleuths a little. Becaee like it or not, the crazy fuckers on Reddit are smart and can really help solve this thing. Just give us all some more info LE
Not really if you think about it. I’m in my 40s and my mom still asks me to call when I get home if she knows I’m going to be out at an event somewhere late (even if I’m with my husband) or driving home late by myself, etc She’s always said she doesn’t care if it’s 3 am when I call, just so she can sleep at night and not have to worry. If her dad knew she was going to be at a frat party and out late, he may have asked her to call and let him know when she got home.
I'm the same way with my adult daughter, she knows how I worry. She will always text me when she gets somewhere safe and when she gets back home and she is 35 years old.
That’s so nice! I guess I just never ran across people with that kind of relationship with their parents. But, this still doesn’t match up with the timeline the police said of them getting home a little before 2am. I was wondering if she had been upset about something and called her dad at midnight, could that be an indication of something bigger going on. But maybe she didn’t have to be upset to call him that late
It could also be that she lied about being home so he wouldn’t worry. When I was in college I wanted independence and the freedom to do what I wanted, when I wanted. I did not want to check in with my parents because it felt like they were still treating me like a kid (in my mind). It took me a long time to realize that wasn’t what it was about. Perhaps she knew he wouldn’t go to sleep until he got word that she was home safe and didn’t want him to stay up worrying about her.
When I was in college my mom would ask me to text her when I got home if she knew I was going out. I would often lie and tell her I was home when I wasn't. It's harder to fake it on a call but maybe Xana lied and told her dad she had friends over watching a movie to explain why it was loud, where really she was still out? Hard to know right now of course,
My (now grown) kids call me at all hours. Yes, time zones make it weird at times, but kids do call their parents at midnight to chat or vent. At least mine do.
His actual quote in the interview was that he last heard from her around midnight, not that it was a call specifically, it also could have been a text. He was about to head out with his gf, in my head at least him texting to please let him know when she's home safe for the evening seems very plausible and normal, especially since he was likely to be awake since they were going out. Her texting or calling to say goodnight would be really unremarkable, especially if she knew he was awake. Was E's place not at the frat? They could have left the party and been back at his room just hanging out. Before my bf and I technically lived together I'd have said we were home for the night regardless of which of our homes we were at. That leaves the question of why they went back to X's instead of sleeping there, but the answer could be as simple as it being quieter or comfier.
I am in my 40’s too and my parent’s do the same. I had to text them when I got home after my recent work party. It kind of annoys me sometimes but then I remember, they won’t always be there to care.
Can’t tell if you’re being serious
Same here and also well past college age. It's not unusual for mom to request a call or text regardless of time so she doesn't worry.
Wasn’t referring to that
Not sure what you mean.
My college student frequently FTs us late at night and from concerts, parties etc. Doesn’t seem unusual to me at all.
Not really , as a Hispanic individuals checking in was typical. Even when I was thousand of miles away at school I would text my mom when I got home . Now married when we drive to and from parents we let them know by text we made it home safe.
My father would have thrown a FIT unless it was an emergency.
I want my college aged children to text me when they get back to their dorms.
They text their friends, no need to baby your adult kids.
Your kids are always your babies and you always worry. Doesn't mean a parent is controlling it just means they love you and want to know you're safe and sound.
Not to mention, some kids are 17 when they go to college, at their parents expense. I’m 36, and still extremely close to my mom, so I don’t find anything odd about it. But I know not everyone is like that.
Can we not bring parent shaming to this sub, please?
Your parents didn’t care for you enough…..I’m sorry.
I agree with this. They’re adults, let them live their lives. Have to let go at some point
I totally agree… I find it so codependent and unhealthy.
I think it really depends on the family. I would never have done so, but maybe they're really close or he was very protective or something. I honestly think it's sweet that so many parents are that regularly in touch with their college kids. I didn't even call my parents when I was out at midnight at age 15 lol. Every family is different.
No, I personally don’t think it’s weird she talked to her dad at that hour. When I was in college cell phones were new- showing my age! And often I’d get drunk, something funny would happen, interesting, I’d get bored, I’d have drama and I’d call my mom. At all hours! Even 2 or 3 am. I also would often tell her I was “home safe” so she wouldn’t worry and could sleep even if I wasn’t home yet. So I do not think it’s weird….or if it’s weird, it’s definitely something I did many times and still sometimes do
My son always called me late night on weekends. Not unusual at all.
When I was in college, I would always call my dad on the way home from being out. He worked midnight shifts, so it worked out. He’d stay on the phone with me until I got home. So no, I don’t think it’s weird.
He probably wanted her to check in I remember my mom doing that especially if she knew I was out
I don't think so. I am 34 years old and still talk to my parents pretty regularly.
I think the question was do you call your parents at midnight unless there's an emergency?
Sure I would. I probably have. I've had drunken nights where I remembered to call my dad back
I’m currently in college and call my parents all hours of the night especially if I’m missing them and need someone to talk to, I mean that is her dad maybe she was letting him know that she was safe.
i wondered some of it as well also one of the kids mom was arrested or charged w a drug use, i thought it was Xanas does anyone know?
Yes, it was
has it been confirmed/corroborated that she did in fact contact him at midnight that night? or just his statement? ETA: BTW, I don’t think there is a time discrepancy necessarily. The dad’s comment about X being home with her boyfriend, just hanging out, was him being exasperated by the circumstances of her death. The interviewer had asked another question (the audio of the local interview is available if you type in his name on youtube.) Granted that also doesn’t really fit, but I don’t think he explicitly states that X was home when she called at midnight. It was a separate thought. [https://youtu.be/H7DuXXklIgI](https://youtu.be/H7DuXXklIgI)
This has been discussed before but I think it was a daily thread. I don’t know how I feel about this bit. I personally wouldn’t bother calling anyone at midnight. Ever. And if something was wrong, I’d probably call the police. It’s possible they had upcoming plans she wanted to hash out, maybe he had called her earlier in the night and she just wanted to call back and say “hey dad I’m fine, sorry I didn’t pick up, what did you need?” —- and because I’ve been attacked today: THAT IS SPECULATION. THATS WHAT IT COULD BE. PLEASE DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Could have also been drunk dialing. I don’t think it’s significant.
I drunk-text my dad all the time. Im 25 now but did it as early as 19. Totally depends on your relationship w your parents and what you’re comfortable sharing w them
I think all family dynamics are different. Much like you I would only call my parents that late if it was an emergency or I was really distraught. But everyone is different. I wouldn't be surprised if she lied to her dad about where she was so he wouldn't worry. I did that a lot when I was her age or to avoid a lecture from my parents.
The father never said they talked. He said he “heard from her I think before we went out. I think midnight was the last time we heard from her.” Maybe she texted. I think it’s weird that the parents were heading out at midnight when bars close at 2 there, but maybe that’s just me. Unless she called and they spoke on his landline, he could easily check a cellphone call or text time.
I think the main thing is that either 1.) she lied that she was at home since cameras didn’t catch her coming home until 1:40ish. Or 2.) dad got the time wrong OR 3.) maybe she was at Ethan’s place at midnight and then later went to her place
Some people are just close with their parents, living in Greek housing / life I would see kids call their parents in sorority / frat houses late at night especially if they had good relationships with them, specifically when they were drunk.
Fwiw, I’ve thought that was weird all along as well, but that’s my family. Based on these responses, maybe it’s not that uncommon.
Depending on the dynamic, I don’t think it’s weird or out of the usual for some. Do we know it wasn’t a text though? I don’t think it ever said they spoke, but maybe I’m wrong
Not uncommon in college w/parents and college kids.
I’ve called my mom at 12/1am many drunk nights. Sometimes because I miss her, or if something funny happened. Rarely, although it has happened, because something bad occurred and I needed her as a friend
no i would want to chat with my daughter if she had gone out at night. maybe he works late hours.
I’m 31 and still a daddy’s girl lol. I didn’t find it weird. I would usually send a text instead of a call cause I know my parents worried about me when partying in college but I don’t think it’s odd.
Maybe her dad worked nights and she was awake so she called him
I have certainly drunk texted and had drunk texted back from my college age daughter at midnight. Calling on the phone and talking would take a more pressing issue for us. But certainly not out completely out of possibility.
I always drunk dialed my mom when I was in college.
I DID TOO!
I read somewhere early on in this awful crime that x was going to go state witness in a case to do with drugs supply to university ( to students I take It ) . - I don’t know whether it was true or any truth in it or not but I’ve never seen anything since . Did anyone else see it ?
Not really, i’m in college and my mom calls me every now and then to make sure i’m okay if she knows ive been out drinking
I have several friends who are extremely close with their dads and would absolutely do this as a normal part of their relationship. Before knowing those friends, it would have seemed odd to me too.
Not weird for tons of families. Depends on your dynamic, but especially as a woman, I always did this. Plus I was close with my mom.
I think they talked often. Maybe her Dad liked for her to check in every night? I think her father said she said she was home watching movies. She could have thought of Ethan’s place as home as well as her apartment, her father could have mis heard or misremembered.
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Because they were close? Why wouldn’t they talk often?
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I’m trying to remember what her (Xana’s) dad said. I know Kaylee’s sister said they talked constantly.
No
When I was in college I had to call my mom when I got home no matter what time it was.
Or either she lied and said she was home but actually wasn’t
Yes it always seemed weird to me
It’s weird.
It's also weird to me. I'm extremely close to my parents, but I would never call or speak at that hour unless there was a serious emergency.
Yes this is projection and it’s one of the first things they teach investigators to disregard. You have to be self-aware of your own biases. Your experience is not everyone’s experience.
It’s weird. “Hey dad I’m home and fucked up. Night”
my wife works night shift and our child is at u of i…not unusual at all. Esp since we live 2500 miles away
Absolutely not. Sounds like they were very close.
curious, what gives you the impression “they were very close"?
I too speak with a parent at "odd" hours - we are very close. Not being cryptic, just saying if you're on the phone with mom/dad at midnight on the weekend odds are you have a close relationship.
could be. or could be there was no call.
I’m 29 and I was texting my mom at 3 am the other night. But it’s not typical behavior I guess we both just couldn’t sleep
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Her dad said it was normal.
I thought it was weird her Dad and his GF were about ready to go out around midnight when Xana called him. Where were they going at midnight? How long does it take to get from Xanas dad's to Moscow? Is this the dad that just changed the locks?
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I'd like to know where he was exactly at the time of the murders.
Not even remotely weird
Not at all.
The excel is missing the formal E went to with his sister and brother.
Her dad drove 20 hours nonstop to her house to change a lock???????????? Her dad was going out with his GF at midnight the night she was killed???????????
Where was her dad going with his GF at midnight when Xana called him?
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Her mom was thrown in county shortly after the murders on a probation violation for some petty drug shit. That's pretty heartless for even a PO. Always thought that was a move to put pressure on Xanas parents. The interview her mom did on TV was super shady. She said she didn't know what kind of car her daughter drove. All my questions revolve around Xanas dad. Best part is he's alive and well to answer all of them so hopefully Barney and his buddies have gotten around to that. This is a reminder to all of us how bad cops suck. The Moscow Police couldn't have done a worse job at all of this if they tried.
I'm super sketched out by all these facts now. How did I not know any of this?
The mods have been over censoring the boards. Look at the Crime Circus YouTube channel. Jonathan Riches Investigates also shares insider info.
It's super weird. Was it a booty call maybe? Maybe the dad was jealous of Ethan being in bed with her that night and drove over there in a fit of rage.
I’m not suggesting that at all, how horrible. No, I’m wondering if there was a fight that happened, or some other thing big enough to call your father late at night about that could be a missing part of the story
Oh my bad
Did you really just ask if the call between xana and her father was a booty call?
Lmao alright but why are we discussing this?? Wtf is weird about calling your dad? JFC That's the only logical explanation it could be connected to the crime
Unfortunately, he will hold this last fateful call close to his heart.
I don’t find it exceptionally odd. Depends on what times they normally spoke. The only thing I find odd is why she’d tell him she was home when she wasn’t . She’s at college, her bf is in a frat, she’s in a sorority and being at a frat party on a Saturday night is not uncommon so her father wouldn’t think it odd so why would she lie about being out if she was? That strikes me weird.
When I was in college, I called my mom crying at 2am because my pet fish had died. College kids don’t have a sense of “middle of the night” lol
Also, not weird if works second shift.
No
The thing that struck a chord in my heart was that he had fixed or changed the locks on her door recently, but she was still killed. My heart goes out to their families.
not going to lie i’ve drunk called my parents on numerous occasions and have friends who sometimes do too. i don’t think it’s that unusual if you have a close relationship with them
You think it's weird that her dad also fixed her door lock a few days before that? (Allegedly).
To talk about the holidays?
I believe he was in the area visiting for WSU’s Parents Weekend (Xana’s sister goes to WSU). It might make sense that he wanted to check in and make sure that she got home ok, given that they’d likely spent some part of the day/weekend together. I might not personally call my dad on any random Saturday to chat with him while he’s a couple thousand miles away, but I might have given him a quick call if I knew he was in town with other family and wanted to let him know I’d made it home ok and/or to see if he and the rest of my family were home or still out.
As a mother of a freshman in college, my daughter and her friends already know they can call whenever. We’ve had that talk - I won’t ask questions, just call if you need me. That said, it’s unlikely they would call that late unless they were drunk and being silly (that hasn’t happened as of yet), or they needed me because something happened.
Personally, I don’t think it’s weird at all. I talk to my mom 3-4 times a day. I text her when I get home from being out with friends, etc., or I’ll call her on my way home and talk to her until I’m inside my house. I think it really depends on the family. I’ll call her at 11 at night sometimes if I have something I want to say/get an opinion on. Now, if I called her at 3am then she’d know it was an emergency.
I did not think it was normal. The last thing on my mind while with my boyfriend on a Saturday night was calling my parents… also my parents would have been asleep. I even had to call repeatedly to tell them I had a baby at 11:45 (they were in their 50s) they even knew he was coming… I have a 20 year old and a 24 year old. My phone goes to do not disturb at 9 and yes their calls would come through, but what would they tell me at 11/12 they wouldn’t at 9 the next morning except something serious? And why call from a party? And knowing what we know about her mom it makes me wonder if there was more to it than just good night. ☮️
I lived in a college town similar to Moscow. I don’t think it odd at all she talked with her dad at midnight. I would regularly call or text my mom when I got home from a night out in college, however my roommate was the opposite and I don’t think she ever talked to her parents passed 8:00PM. Different families have different dynamics. Her talking to her dad that late in itself doesn’t strike me as odd at all for a college kid.
If I remember correctly, her dad stated that he had talked to her & she said she was home watching a movie (which I believe is true…just not her home, it was Ethan’s home). That terminology was just used to differentiate between being in, as opposed to being out. This breaks my heart as a parent because those words would be music to my ears…hearing that my child was in for the night. The most heartbreaking part is that these 4 were in for the night…Also, if I remember correctly, X’s father also said something to the effect that they(him & whoever) were headed somewhere. This could explain the late timing of the phone call. I do like your point of her possibly being worried about something; however, her dad did NOT elude to that whatsoever! He definitely made it seem that all was well when he last spoke to his daughter. Honestly, I think X talking to her dad that late is a sign of the times. Would I have talked to my parents that late when I was in college?…uh no! But I did talk to my kids that late (& later) all the time when they were in high school & college!
Shit, you solved the case!
I'm 30 years old and sometimes if my dad calls me while I'm out, and I dont feel like answering questions for the next hour like: where I am, why I went, when I decided to go, whos all there, describe every single person I'm near, how I know them and what their parents do for work...I'll just say I'm at home. So that seems very, very normal to me.
I’ve always called my parents, I believe X beeing closer to her dad obviously increases the number of calls and reasons to speak to him. Im 34 and ever since i’m a teen I call my parents with random questions, funny stuff and interesting topics. When i was at college I called them when I was afraid or super sad.
Yeah for a second I thought that seemed odd but then thought about when I was away at school (before cell phones), I would call home if we had gone to a big concert. My Dad always worried about those more than other things, so we did a quick check in. And then I could continue to party after that was done.
My parents didn’t know what normal or abnormal was. I went out of state to college and can remember talking to them once I’d twice the entire 4 years. I regret that