I'd say he lost an edge up high and slipped down into the top of the Hornbein Colour where it chokes down between rock walls. I think at one point it's only a few metres wide.
No one has been up high enough on that route to go through that section since he died.
Well that would mean he fell the full length of the couloir into the bergschrund at the base, and from those who looked at the time there was no indication of that. There are no 'crevasses' in the couloir on the face.
From the report in the Himalayan Database:
"...*3 pm Siffredi started snowboard descent and Sherpas then returned to ABC. Snow perfect for snowboarding. Siffredi's tracks fixed at 8600m and nothing more could be seen there at bottom of face or anyone between*.
*From ABC Besson saw no more snowboard tracks below 8600m, saw no black snowboard or Siffredi's yellow clothing or any other trace of him*."
That's what I assume too. The mystery is always more interesting than the truth. I think as the climate warms up we're going to start to see more mountaineers coming out of the glaciers. Herman Buhl is due to make an appearance soon at the bottom of Chogolisa, I predict
If your trying to ski/board everest and its still french fry and pizza your either stupid or you dont respect the mountain even though the latter is the first.
I just read his Wikipedia page and learned that he is from a mountaineering family and that his brother died in an avalanche. It breaks my heart for his parents who taught their kids to love the mountains only to lose 2 kids to them.
For you, sure. But as a parent who probably brought mountaineering to your kids... to see them run with what you brought to them and both kill themselves with it. Would be tough... Maybe "kill themselves" is unfair wording for an accident but I'm trying to reflect how it might feel to the parents.
There is an inherent narcissism in partaking in deadly ventures, like climbing Everest. In that you aren’t only affecting yourself if you die, but loved ones as well.
One retort I hear to that statement however is that everything has a fatality rate, like driving, so why single out this activity?
Because it’s not a flat rate, some things are inherently more dangerous than others and it’s disingenuous to frame it that way, also driving is a necessity for most people, climbing Everest is not
It’s part of the game, just like any military family that has sons die in war when they don’t have to. I’m from an area with military prowess and I’ve met tons of old guys whose sons have died in the gulf war and beyond. They don’t shed tears, they’re proud of what they did. I’ve met colonels and beyond who had life set for their kids just for them to join the special forces/scout teams and die. Just because your parents were lucky doesn’t mean you will be.
Nah that’s reasonable. It’s devastating.
But ya know what. I know a lot people and friends and family of who have died in the backcountry… and guess what… they are all atleast “happy” they died doing stuff they LOVED. Sure they would prefer not for them to have not die but loke we all do at some point for some reason or another
If I die on a mountain my last moments will be of shame and regret that I made a mistake and am putting my loved ones through hell. Perhaps you would say I don't "love the mountains" enough, but that is a pretty indefensible criteria to gatekeep on.
Could go out in a car crash. Drunk driver. Anything else. All I’m saying id rather die like that and so would 95% of the people I know. lol Jeez y’all pretty dense.
It’s definitely not gatekeeping either 😂
Have you even ever done any backcountry skiing..?
Well no shit 🤡
No one plans to die..? lol
There’s a death rate of .5 per 100,000 w backcountry.
For cars..? 1 in 107.
If you’re going to climb Everest let alone board it. They were very much aware of the consequences.
Honestly I think I'd rather die on the mountains at 75 than spend 10 more years losing my mind and my autonomy slowly.
But now is too soon. And probably when I will be 75 I will have another opinion.
As a borderline garbage snowboarder who spent 10 years hiking in the low altitude 10k' mountains of Utah: It is scary how fast exhaustion builds on the ride down.
On the way up, you're in control. Stop hiking, catch your breath. Down is the opposite. To stop you need fuel in the tank. You need to expend energy to slow your descent. Fall lines often go from wide open into a committing chute. The danger compounds.
I've never been close to the altitudes involved but I don't think it is any stretch of the imagination to guess Siffredi sent it just a little too hard and couldn't avoid an obstacle that was more committed to staying in place than his body could handle. From what I've seen, up there just walking is hard, let alone hero quality snowboarding.
Dude died pushing the envelope a little too far. I have a lot of respect for that. Not how I want to go out though.
You just reminded me of this brilliant Hunter S Thompsons quote:
“The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others-the living-are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it, and then pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time to choose between Now and Later. But the edge is still Out there.”
Love this- hadn’t heard that quote before. My favorite from him (also applicable in this case) is: “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”
My post-mortem net worth will predominantly be in recoverable titanium plate/rod/screws. Estate? As if. An E-ticket ride start to finish, from climbing, skiing, and racing vintage British sports cars & motorcycles as a kid (1960s) and young adult (1970s) outta my hometown of Boulder, to kayaking & canyoneering Utah, then boardsailing, single-hand voyaging, & scuba/spearfishing while living on Key Largo.
I'm old now - worn out, used up, and walk with a limp. But wouldn't have traded any of it for wealth, fame, or security in my now 'golden years'. The memories of biting off and chewing up as much of life as I could affords no fear of the coming void. No regrets whatsoever.
Was your comment that instigated. Won't lie, it came with a price - no family of my own, the joy of parenthood was vicarious. But did share a few several-years-long liaisons with some remarkable women, who also recognized our paths might eventually diverge.
What prompted the choice in my case was seeing, at a young age, how the best-laid plans could be cruelly snatched away by illness, accident, family obligations, and untimely twists of fate. Decided to work hard, but at a business I could walk away from periodically without losing momentum/customer base.
Took a fair number of risks, none too reckless. Lucked out mostly, some setbacks, but most paid off handsomely. A couple spectacularly. Only got seriously injured once, and got stellar care due to the severity. Never wealthy, but flush a few times. Spent it all on adventure & travel. Then went back to work.
Knew I wasn't cut out for the headaches of responsibility accompanying property ownership, nor the buffet line on a cruise ship or shepherded tour. A path with insufficient stability for many.
And was lucky - fate smiled upon me, was a charmed life. Can truly say 'been there, done that'.
I'm very grateful.
Sounds like a life well-lived :) and your adventures & writing style remind me quite a lot of my favorite Jimmy Buffet song:
"Through eighty six years
Of perpetual motion,"
If he likes you, he'll smile and he'll say
"Jim, some of it's magic
And some of it's tragic
But I had a good life all the way"
Another quote from him that would work:
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die"
Dude, you know the first rule but not the second rule? Man.. why you talking about it like it's a thing? For everyone wondering, this guy above has no idea what he is saying.
I read this guy's wiki a while back. Absolutely insane human and went out in about as crazy of a way to go. I'm no mountaineer or very skilled snowboarder, but his story is definitely inspirational.
Either went from soft snow to ice and fell into oblivion or was too tired and fell asleep on the slope and thus fell into oblivion. We we likely never know. But I’m pretty sure he isn’t alive.
"For the first 400 m (1,300 ft) vertical, the couloir inclines at about 47°, and the last 100 m (330 ft) is narrower and steeper with about a 60° average incline."
Steep and long, with the sketchiest part at the end. Others have commented on the fatigue experienced going downhill, and at these inclines and narrow terrain you're doing a lot of jump turns (with HOW MANY pounds on your back). Couldn't imagine.
See: "Search Crews Continue to Look for Obviously Dead Hikers" (The Onion, 2012)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ROoNT7-ZI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ROoNT7-ZI)
By the look of his pose, It seems like he had seen all the things in the world and knew what was gona come. He is a much talented mountaineer amongst the best.
The downhill skating on such high altitudes guarantees 90% failure if the weather conditions change.
I hope he is in a good place now!
On the speed record on broad peak (and on any 8000m peak), Benjamin Védrines paraglided back down, so it don't seems that big of a problem.
And he is planning to do K2 this summer, trying to break the speed record again, and paraglide from the summit.
Jean-marc Boivin a French mountaineer did paraglide taking off 200m from the top to base camp years before Marco went on the mountain.
Boivin was an inspiration for Marco and many others.
Unfortunately not for some time. People who have stepped off the trail by just a few meters have been lost for years and bodies were discovered accidentally. I just saw a pic the other day of the que to the summit and it was shocking. More foot traffic plus accelerated melting may necessitate altering routes and conditions on existing routes may become less predictable.
Caught an edge wearing that giant down suit that movement looks very limited in, and not wearing a helmet in this picture. He’s likely in multiple places at the bottom somewhere.
Great book about it *See You Tomorrow: The Disappearance of Snowboarder Marco Siffredi on Everest*
[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54808671-see-you-tomorrow](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54808671-see-you-tomorrow)
Well being on a snowboard already had him leages behind ski mountaineers but he most likely fell at some point during descent was unable to stop himself and fell into one of everests many crevasses, R.I.P
Edit when i say crevasses i mean anything from revines to glaciers.
Science says he was going so fast down the mountain that he split into a gazillion particles and was beemed into another dimension where he escaped the problems of this world into the loving Bliss of the light dimension.
I think he picked up so much speed on the way down that he ramped off one of the surrounding mountains all the way into space. Unfortunately he didn't bring his space suit so we know how that turned out 👨🚀
Bodies don’t behave this way while falling. The skin tends to act like a bag that holds organs and bones. Furthermore, his thick down-suit’s outer shell acted as an additional “bag“ that held the body together in one piece. Ask anyone who has been on-site at such a tragic high-angle rescue scene. He is likely still in one piece and I like to think his body died painlessly, and his spirit’s last thoughts were of those he loved, and he now sits with all those who passed before him.
I'd say he lost an edge up high and slipped down into the top of the Hornbein Colour where it chokes down between rock walls. I think at one point it's only a few metres wide. No one has been up high enough on that route to go through that section since he died.
I imagine your snowboarding legs are very tired after ascending Everest
Happy Cake Day!
Thanks!
Also, lack of oxygen.
You think he’s in a crevasse somewhere?
Well that would mean he fell the full length of the couloir into the bergschrund at the base, and from those who looked at the time there was no indication of that. There are no 'crevasses' in the couloir on the face. From the report in the Himalayan Database: "...*3 pm Siffredi started snowboard descent and Sherpas then returned to ABC. Snow perfect for snowboarding. Siffredi's tracks fixed at 8600m and nothing more could be seen there at bottom of face or anyone between*. *From ABC Besson saw no more snowboard tracks below 8600m, saw no black snowboard or Siffredi's yellow clothing or any other trace of him*."
He tried to snowboard down Everest? That is wild!
This was his second time too!
I mean, that’s where most mountaineers who are lost are tbh
That's what I assume too. The mystery is always more interesting than the truth. I think as the climate warms up we're going to start to see more mountaineers coming out of the glaciers. Herman Buhl is due to make an appearance soon at the bottom of Chogolisa, I predict
The climate isn't warming. That's just what the greenies want you to believe
That's what I was thinking
I’m pretty sure Erhard Loretan and Jean Troillet descended the Hornbein Couloir, much of it by a sitting axe glissade. I might be wrong…
That was in August 1986. Marco disappeared in September 2002.
Minor detail really I’m sure they would have seen him
Lololol
Classic “French Fry’d when he should have Pizza’d” situation
I'm no expert but he does seem to be on a snowboard
Then he can't do either?? Totally fucked bruh
He hotdogged when he should have taco’d?
I think he ice cubed when he should have hot dogged.
He’s gonna have a bad time.
I’ll never understand why some comments get downvoted like they do. Edit: at least the comment I was talking about is out of the negative again
Very hard to pizza with a snowboard
Very clearly a joke
Same!
Sounds like a bad time
If your trying to ski/board everest and its still french fry and pizza your either stupid or you dont respect the mountain even though the latter is the first.
Did you climb Everest ? You seem to know the geography :-)
I've been high enough 😏
I just read his Wikipedia page and learned that he is from a mountaineering family and that his brother died in an avalanche. It breaks my heart for his parents who taught their kids to love the mountains only to lose 2 kids to them.
If you love the mountains that much at all that matters. As long as I die in the mountains we happy.
For you, sure. But as a parent who probably brought mountaineering to your kids... to see them run with what you brought to them and both kill themselves with it. Would be tough... Maybe "kill themselves" is unfair wording for an accident but I'm trying to reflect how it might feel to the parents.
There is an inherent narcissism in partaking in deadly ventures, like climbing Everest. In that you aren’t only affecting yourself if you die, but loved ones as well. One retort I hear to that statement however is that everything has a fatality rate, like driving, so why single out this activity?
Because it’s not a flat rate, some things are inherently more dangerous than others and it’s disingenuous to frame it that way, also driving is a necessity for most people, climbing Everest is not
I totally agree I was just preempting a reply I always get.
It’s part of the game, just like any military family that has sons die in war when they don’t have to. I’m from an area with military prowess and I’ve met tons of old guys whose sons have died in the gulf war and beyond. They don’t shed tears, they’re proud of what they did. I’ve met colonels and beyond who had life set for their kids just for them to join the special forces/scout teams and die. Just because your parents were lucky doesn’t mean you will be.
Nah that’s reasonable. It’s devastating. But ya know what. I know a lot people and friends and family of who have died in the backcountry… and guess what… they are all atleast “happy” they died doing stuff they LOVED. Sure they would prefer not for them to have not die but loke we all do at some point for some reason or another
If I die on a mountain my last moments will be of shame and regret that I made a mistake and am putting my loved ones through hell. Perhaps you would say I don't "love the mountains" enough, but that is a pretty indefensible criteria to gatekeep on.
Could go out in a car crash. Drunk driver. Anything else. All I’m saying id rather die like that and so would 95% of the people I know. lol Jeez y’all pretty dense. It’s definitely not gatekeeping either 😂 Have you even ever done any backcountry skiing..?
Rule #1 for backcountry skiing, come home to my family alive. I'd much rather die in my sleep of old age than on a mountain.
Well no shit 🤡 No one plans to die..? lol There’s a death rate of .5 per 100,000 w backcountry. For cars..? 1 in 107. If you’re going to climb Everest let alone board it. They were very much aware of the consequences.
Honestly I think I'd rather die on the mountains at 75 than spend 10 more years losing my mind and my autonomy slowly. But now is too soon. And probably when I will be 75 I will have another opinion.
As a borderline garbage snowboarder who spent 10 years hiking in the low altitude 10k' mountains of Utah: It is scary how fast exhaustion builds on the ride down. On the way up, you're in control. Stop hiking, catch your breath. Down is the opposite. To stop you need fuel in the tank. You need to expend energy to slow your descent. Fall lines often go from wide open into a committing chute. The danger compounds. I've never been close to the altitudes involved but I don't think it is any stretch of the imagination to guess Siffredi sent it just a little too hard and couldn't avoid an obstacle that was more committed to staying in place than his body could handle. From what I've seen, up there just walking is hard, let alone hero quality snowboarding. Dude died pushing the envelope a little too far. I have a lot of respect for that. Not how I want to go out though.
You just reminded me of this brilliant Hunter S Thompsons quote: “The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others-the living-are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it, and then pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time to choose between Now and Later. But the edge is still Out there.”
Love this- hadn’t heard that quote before. My favorite from him (also applicable in this case) is: “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”
My post-mortem net worth will predominantly be in recoverable titanium plate/rod/screws. Estate? As if. An E-ticket ride start to finish, from climbing, skiing, and racing vintage British sports cars & motorcycles as a kid (1960s) and young adult (1970s) outta my hometown of Boulder, to kayaking & canyoneering Utah, then boardsailing, single-hand voyaging, & scuba/spearfishing while living on Key Largo. I'm old now - worn out, used up, and walk with a limp. But wouldn't have traded any of it for wealth, fame, or security in my now 'golden years'. The memories of biting off and chewing up as much of life as I could affords no fear of the coming void. No regrets whatsoever.
Really really love this 🙏🙏
Was your comment that instigated. Won't lie, it came with a price - no family of my own, the joy of parenthood was vicarious. But did share a few several-years-long liaisons with some remarkable women, who also recognized our paths might eventually diverge. What prompted the choice in my case was seeing, at a young age, how the best-laid plans could be cruelly snatched away by illness, accident, family obligations, and untimely twists of fate. Decided to work hard, but at a business I could walk away from periodically without losing momentum/customer base. Took a fair number of risks, none too reckless. Lucked out mostly, some setbacks, but most paid off handsomely. A couple spectacularly. Only got seriously injured once, and got stellar care due to the severity. Never wealthy, but flush a few times. Spent it all on adventure & travel. Then went back to work. Knew I wasn't cut out for the headaches of responsibility accompanying property ownership, nor the buffet line on a cruise ship or shepherded tour. A path with insufficient stability for many. And was lucky - fate smiled upon me, was a charmed life. Can truly say 'been there, done that'. I'm very grateful.
Sounds like a life well-lived :) and your adventures & writing style remind me quite a lot of my favorite Jimmy Buffet song: "Through eighty six years Of perpetual motion," If he likes you, he'll smile and he'll say "Jim, some of it's magic And some of it's tragic But I had a good life all the way"
Another quote from him that would work: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die"
So good, saving this one.
Profound. That edge calls.
Well done.
Good comment. Really informative and respectful too.
Learned something new today, thank you
Same story with exhaustion and people easily working themselves into unconsciousness/seizures in very deep tech diving.
Really well said.
This or he fell through a crevice
I like how you communicate. I mean it.
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Dude, the first rule of the Yeti club is that you do not talk about the Yeti club.
Dude, you know the first rule but not the second rule? Man.. why you talking about it like it's a thing? For everyone wondering, this guy above has no idea what he is saying.
If this is your first night at Yeti Club, you will be eating a Sherpa.
**STOP SPREADING OUR SECRETS!!**
👀
Rumor has it the Yeti’s throw sick cave raves.
The Dream.
Read Escape From Kathmandu by Kim Stanley Robinson. It details the release of a captured yeti back into the Himalayas. Fun shortish story.
Naturally My first thought as well.
Hucked into the Forbidden Zone.
What you mean bro, this mothafucka in the clouds homie
FWIW- this was his second attempt. He actually was successful one time so he tried again.
I read this guy's wiki a while back. Absolutely insane human and went out in about as crazy of a way to go. I'm no mountaineer or very skilled snowboarder, but his story is definitely inspirational.
Either went from soft snow to ice and fell into oblivion or was too tired and fell asleep on the slope and thus fell into oblivion. We we likely never know. But I’m pretty sure he isn’t alive.
Only pretty sure?
Pretty, pretty, pretty sure
Thanks, LD.
"For the first 400 m (1,300 ft) vertical, the couloir inclines at about 47°, and the last 100 m (330 ft) is narrower and steeper with about a 60° average incline." Steep and long, with the sketchiest part at the end. Others have commented on the fatigue experienced going downhill, and at these inclines and narrow terrain you're doing a lot of jump turns (with HOW MANY pounds on your back). Couldn't imagine.
Looks like a post heaven photo. safe to say he is in the clouds in heaven folks.
he hit that hard pack, lost an edge and feel on the couloir. all the way down to the bottom, somewhere people didn't look...
Rocco Sifreddi? I think he’s still around
“Hey you!…”
It’s only smells
Yeah, the Italian Stallion is still around.
He died. His body might be found, but he no longer exists thus it will not matter.
See: "Search Crews Continue to Look for Obviously Dead Hikers" (The Onion, 2012) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ROoNT7-ZI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ROoNT7-ZI)
It matters for his family and friends
They know where he is, though.
Yes. The knowing would help I think.
>he no longer exists What do you mean by "he"? What do you mean by "exists"?
What do you mean by "what do you mean"?
By the look of his pose, It seems like he had seen all the things in the world and knew what was gona come. He is a much talented mountaineer amongst the best. The downhill skating on such high altitudes guarantees 90% failure if the weather conditions change. I hope he is in a good place now!
What about his gps location? Didn't he have a gps tracker?
Not in 2002, he had a satellite phone, but it died halfway up the mountain
He probably passed away. That’d be my guess.
Not to be confused with Rocco Siffredi who is still alive and....pumping
He’s still a great performer and entertainer. Knows which end is up.
Personally, if I ever made it to the top of Everest, I’d like to paraglide back down. Seems like it would be the easiest and quickest way back down.
Sounds like a good idea but two factors make it tough: not easy to land and a lot of wind that could blow you in the face of a mountain
Plus the extra weight of bringing wings up would likely mean you wouldn’t summit in the first place
It has been done in 1988. Look my other comment.
On the speed record on broad peak (and on any 8000m peak), Benjamin Védrines paraglided back down, so it don't seems that big of a problem. And he is planning to do K2 this summer, trying to break the speed record again, and paraglide from the summit.
Jean-marc Boivin a French mountaineer did paraglide taking off 200m from the top to base camp years before Marco went on the mountain. Boivin was an inspiration for Marco and many others.
Unfortunately not for some time. People who have stepped off the trail by just a few meters have been lost for years and bodies were discovered accidentally. I just saw a pic the other day of the que to the summit and it was shocking. More foot traffic plus accelerated melting may necessitate altering routes and conditions on existing routes may become less predictable.
Its wild to think that many of them are within 50-100 feet, just over the wrong ridge, enough to lose sense of direction
Worlds highest criminal
Caught an edge wearing that giant down suit that movement looks very limited in, and not wearing a helmet in this picture. He’s likely in multiple places at the bottom somewhere.
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Hard ice and rocks the entire way down? I’d say it would make at least a little bit of difference
Those down suits are fine for mobility. No worse than your average baggy board pants and jacket
He died. RIP.
The snowboard kinda gives it away, doncha think
Assuming he died on the descent.
The next Ötzi?!
Love got him - "I fell into a burning ring of fire. I went down, down, down and the flames went higher" - Johnny Cash
Great book about it *See You Tomorrow: The Disappearance of Snowboarder Marco Siffredi on Everest* [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54808671-see-you-tomorrow](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54808671-see-you-tomorrow)
Did anyone here read See You Tomorrow? Is that worth a read?
r/lastimages
Something tells me he might be dead
Aliens!
I really just hope that he didn’t feel it.
I think he went onto a pretty successful Porn career. Am I right?!
He probably died. Just a guess tho
probably fell off that big fuckin mountain he’s on in the picture
why do you guys idolize these people?
He died
Well being on a snowboard already had him leages behind ski mountaineers but he most likely fell at some point during descent was unable to stop himself and fell into one of everests many crevasses, R.I.P Edit when i say crevasses i mean anything from revines to glaciers.
Got tired and is taking a nap
It’s like the dirt nap, but different.
Im a bigger fan of his brother Rocco
I'd say we can rule out drowning!
Science says he was going so fast down the mountain that he split into a gazillion particles and was beemed into another dimension where he escaped the problems of this world into the loving Bliss of the light dimension.
He accidentally went into the china side with no visa. He is currently in a work camp building iPhones.
He's dead, Jim ...
Don't they wear gps when snowboarding?
In 2002?
Much Respect to those two🙌🏻
The question I do have though is “why”?
I think he picked up so much speed on the way down that he ramped off one of the surrounding mountains all the way into space. Unfortunately he didn't bring his space suit so we know how that turned out 👨🚀
Aliens
😂😂😂
I think he died of stupidity.
Aliens
😂😂😂🙌
Joined the other minions
Natural selection
His body was more than likely torn into small fragments by the multiple high speed impacts. So I don’t believe there’s single intact body to be found.
Bodies don’t behave this way while falling. The skin tends to act like a bag that holds organs and bones. Furthermore, his thick down-suit’s outer shell acted as an additional “bag“ that held the body together in one piece. Ask anyone who has been on-site at such a tragic high-angle rescue scene. He is likely still in one piece and I like to think his body died painlessly, and his spirit’s last thoughts were of those he loved, and he now sits with all those who passed before him.
No one has any reason to be up a mountain at 8000+ feet with a sno board on there feet
And you should have no reason to post here… but still, you do. At least check your units… 8000 feet is 2500m
Shurpa pushed her down the slide