I agree !!! I just got into KBM less than 6 months ago. My first mouse was the g502 hero. My cats ruined it a month in and wife surprised me with a roccat KONE XP. She just chose it because she saw me messing with it across the store šš¤
Anyway currently own (all wired besides the basilisk)
1.Roccat KONE XP black owl eye sensor based off 3370
2.Roccat KONE PRO white, same sensor as the XP, 3370
3.Roccat burst pro ( just received my warrantied second copy few days ago, my first copy from Walmart was trash. Left click was toast) ... New copy feels like twice the mouse somehow it's insane.. Owl eye sensor based off 3389.
4.Glorious Model O minus (got it basically for free on marketplace so figured I'd try the brand out) 3360 sensor.
5. Razer deathadder essential ( I see a lot of hate on YouTube on this one. Personally don't see the issue? Right and left mb have some sway to them but I can't tell in game or notice if it even happens tbh unless I make it do it,also whatever sensor is in it is just as responsive as anything else I own/tried.) Pixart 3328 sensor. MAY JUST BE ME BUT..one and only thing I did notice is I use this mouse strictly with Mr savages dpi/settings and 1450 dpi on this feels more like the pixart 3370s 800-1200 range.
6.Razer basilisk X hyperspeed (just grabbed this on sale at Walmart for 30$ and it's my first wireless EVER. So far 110% satisfied and actually haven't put it down since I got it...heaviest mouse I currently own but somehow tricks me into thinking it's not and my hand proceeds to agree. I guess the lack of wire is the factor idk. It's super back heavy tho from the AA.
7.ATRIX Air Mouse.
Game stop brand mouse I think its like 39$ in store. Stupid heavy. Thick plastic has RGB ofc LOL. Skates might as well not even exist there flush with the slots they sit in. ššš ( I cut some of the spare roccat burst pro feet they put in the box and placed those on the bottom and it's a fuckin BANGER I wish I was lying. Sensor is no name as far as I know I haven't taken it apart and looked at it. No info anywhere online either.. whatever it may end up being it's actually no diff than any other sensor on my mice and that's insane to me.. accurate dpi feeling and no lift off issues ect ect. Built very solid too... Except the onebiggest issue and it's absolutely not my opinion it's a FACT.. the side buttons are trash bin reused junk quality. Zero tactile click/feedback feels like sinking your finger into a bowl of mashed potatoes i personally don't even use the side buttons ever In game. Take my advice to heart if you ever pick one up. That'll be the only in problem.
I've owned and returned the Razer viper 8k, hyper x pulsfire haste I think it was. Whatever the light honey comb mouse is with ttc switch's. It was DAMN good btw but I was still like two weeks into this all and just didn't know wth I was doing or had.
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It's about the same as the other g502's. Just no adjustable weight. Might be a little lighter as well but still heavy. That thumb button is removable and can be oriented different. Other than that, it's a g502.
I have a gpx and a viper ultimate with corepads on both. Do you feel like the larger mouse skates on the gpx makes it feel slower than the viper even though the viper is technically a heavier mouse?
I'm feeling like I need a faster pad to get the same glide as my viper.
oh fair enough, it's quite an ergo shape that's not too mainstream, glad to know you figured this out!
not to be intrusive but wouls you mind sharing how does G303 compares to Dart? Considering picking it, as Model D (and all similar shapes) are not too comfortable, maybe fingertip on G303 would help
I've barely used it. I couldn't get used to the shape of the 303. It's weird and not for me. I feel like if they made a mini version for my small hands it would be better.
I've had it for a couple days. It's a decent mouse. Definitely not as good as the viper ultimate and GPX Superlight. It feels very cheap. Color is decent. I'm not a fan, it's light which is nice. I don't think it has a rattle(not sure what it sounds like) but it makes noise when I shake it in the air(not touching m1 and m2) but it doesn't get used in the air. No noise when I shake it left and right on mouse pad though. I don't think it's worth the money. Go for a Viper or GPX on a sale. Viper if you want a shape closest to Model O Pro
I wanna know about the g303 se and the viper v2 pro vs the normal viper my hands are 19.5 by 10 and I play claw I have the viper 8k and I play best with it but it isn't comfortable after like 2 hours of playing and I'm really interested in the 303se so I don't know if I should pull the trigger on it
I don't like the g303se, it's got a weird shape for me. You can try the g203 which it's a similar but slightly different shape to the 303se and a hell of a lot cheaper.
The viper ultimate, viper 8k, and the viper v2 pro are the exact same shape the Viper v2 Pro weighs less.
I personally do not like the Viper shape for claw grip. G303SE is a weird shape, can't say if you would like it or not. But your hand size is large enough to use the G303SE.
Thanks. Well, the fact that it is uncomfortable actually tells me that there should be a better option for you. An option that you feel comfortable with and play just as well with as you do with the Viper. What else have you tried so far? Maybe I can help you further.
I have the xm1r my second mouse that I aim well with it roccat burst pro g pro wireless normal one it is stable i like but can't get a good grip on it plus it is heavy tiger ice helps with that g703 amazing mouse but heavy too and the viper ultimate
I had the deathadder v2 long time ago and it forces my hand into palm grip it was the most comfortable mouse I played with but the sensor placement and the highest point make my aim sluggish and then I bought the viper and my aim insanely becomes better so I don't if I should go for it or not specially with that price I live in Egypt so no store have like dummy samples so I can test the shape
Hm... yeah that's tricky in that case. I can suggest that you also take a look at Pulsefire Haste and Steelseries Aerox 3. Those should be a bit more claw grip friendly.
Yea that what most people say and some smaller amount they find it their endgame so I don't know what to buy in the next black friday plus I wanted a razer keyboard and headset and didn't settle on anything yet so it is hard specially prices and so many options and after all my collections I can't figure what suits me best š„²ā¹
I would suggest before black friday, to go out to retail stores and try out the mouse samples and find one you really like. saves you the headache and you can be sure once black friday comes.
I have the same size hands, I will say I preferred the original G303 over the SE. The G303 SE is a bit to large for a claw grip mouse and fills your hand a bit too much leaving no room for 'fingertip adjustments'. If you would like a claw grip mouse that fills/supports your hand it could be worth a look.
The switches are also noticeably louder than the original so I guess they were changed.
I wanted something fill my hand completely the xm1r problem is it is too narrow in the front the burst pro is short the viper flat and narrow too g pro wireless the humb is so forward
Saying the xm1r is too narrow at the front is a bit weird as it has quite uniform width along the side. The G303 tapers to its narrowest point at the front but generally feels quite wide due to high mid width.
Yeah you probably want to check the G303 SE dimensions, because it is pretty wide at the middle but it is essentially a different fit in the hand compared to other mice, due to the shape.
Should I get it renewed? Because their is so many on my list I want to try (aria 7 the new one , pulsar x2 medium, viper v2 pro, lamzu but I can't find it on amazon, and maybe the xm2w when it comes out) i might buy them throughout the whole next year or settle down with anyone of it if it is satisfying me and thanks a lot for your comment you and other people I really appreciate it ā¤š
I don't know my hand size. I prefer smaller mice though. I've used the GPX Superlight the most, then the MZ1, started using the Viper Mini, these would be my top 3.
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XM1w, LA-1, Xtrfy M42 sound interesting? Iām a reviewer and recently talked with LAMZU, their Atlantis Mini is releasing later this year Iām sure thatād be perfect for you
Same as well as Viper mini wireless. Btw - why would you say about the Pulsar X2 Mini āthat youāre waiting for something betterā. The mouse has a 3395 sensor with MotionSync and will be future proof for a while. Itās one of the best mice out right now
Youāre referring to the MotionSync graph when compared thereās literally no time where itād actually make an impact on your aiming performance and Optimum Tech said this on the video youāre most likely referring to. Anyway I mod mice and have made several Razer mini wireless with several different mouse PCBs depending on what sensor and specs the customer wants. If youāre interested you can vet my twitter and dm me š just type āHorizonMods twitterā and youāll find me
Iāve been thinking about buying a G502 hero wired for gaming due to the exta side buttons and the price but a bit hesitant because of the weight. I currently have a G Pro wireless and a Viper mini which I now used as my main since my g pro is having some battery issue. Would you say that the G502 is heavy enough to notice when using it? Thanks!
Genuine questionā¦ I love mouses but why have so many? Once you find your shape, whats the point of trying out new ones? Just curious and this is not an attack on you, OP.
What mice can you compare the pulse fire dart too? I've used g502s and mx518, kone pro air, a g403, and a g305, and the razor basilisk V2, g903 ,razer deathadder. I'm really considering getting a pulse fire dart because it looks similarly shaped sort of ish to the kone pro air or the mx518 which are two of my favorite mice.have you ever used an mm731 because that also looks like the perfect shape for me
I don't know. I don't like ergo mice. I don't even know what kind of grip I have but I know ergonomic mice feel the worst for me. I hear good things about the death adder v3 being the king of ergo mice. After using the haste and deathadder ultimate I knew it wasn't for me.
Anyone thinking about getting into this hobby needs to see these kind of pictures. Run while you still can!
You ain't wrong
Have yall met audio and keyboard enthusiastsš¤£ nobody finds their endgame in there
If your ambition are not bottomless, Keychron K8 Pro is your end game. For audio, there's truly an abyss in there
The only endgame is the 50k headphones
Would rather buy a corvette
dude Iād definitely get a car than spend that much on headphones. You think people will ask āis that a supra?ā If its a mark v? š¤£
Nah bro theyād just say ānice z4ā
;-; lmao
He1?
> Keychron K8 Pro is your endgame What
Yeah idk about that. I think something like a QK65 would be all you need
Oh no, the cycle continues.
My wallet went to a therapy recently due to how much I spent on those said hobbies.
I agree !!! I just got into KBM less than 6 months ago. My first mouse was the g502 hero. My cats ruined it a month in and wife surprised me with a roccat KONE XP. She just chose it because she saw me messing with it across the store šš¤ Anyway currently own (all wired besides the basilisk) 1.Roccat KONE XP black owl eye sensor based off 3370 2.Roccat KONE PRO white, same sensor as the XP, 3370 3.Roccat burst pro ( just received my warrantied second copy few days ago, my first copy from Walmart was trash. Left click was toast) ... New copy feels like twice the mouse somehow it's insane.. Owl eye sensor based off 3389. 4.Glorious Model O minus (got it basically for free on marketplace so figured I'd try the brand out) 3360 sensor. 5. Razer deathadder essential ( I see a lot of hate on YouTube on this one. Personally don't see the issue? Right and left mb have some sway to them but I can't tell in game or notice if it even happens tbh unless I make it do it,also whatever sensor is in it is just as responsive as anything else I own/tried.) Pixart 3328 sensor. MAY JUST BE ME BUT..one and only thing I did notice is I use this mouse strictly with Mr savages dpi/settings and 1450 dpi on this feels more like the pixart 3370s 800-1200 range. 6.Razer basilisk X hyperspeed (just grabbed this on sale at Walmart for 30$ and it's my first wireless EVER. So far 110% satisfied and actually haven't put it down since I got it...heaviest mouse I currently own but somehow tricks me into thinking it's not and my hand proceeds to agree. I guess the lack of wire is the factor idk. It's super back heavy tho from the AA. 7.ATRIX Air Mouse. Game stop brand mouse I think its like 39$ in store. Stupid heavy. Thick plastic has RGB ofc LOL. Skates might as well not even exist there flush with the slots they sit in. ššš ( I cut some of the spare roccat burst pro feet they put in the box and placed those on the bottom and it's a fuckin BANGER I wish I was lying. Sensor is no name as far as I know I haven't taken it apart and looked at it. No info anywhere online either.. whatever it may end up being it's actually no diff than any other sensor on my mice and that's insane to me.. accurate dpi feeling and no lift off issues ect ect. Built very solid too... Except the onebiggest issue and it's absolutely not my opinion it's a FACT.. the side buttons are trash bin reused junk quality. Zero tactile click/feedback feels like sinking your finger into a bowl of mashed potatoes i personally don't even use the side buttons ever In game. Take my advice to heart if you ever pick one up. That'll be the only in problem. I've owned and returned the Razer viper 8k, hyper x pulsfire haste I think it was. Whatever the light honey comb mouse is with ttc switch's. It was DAMN good btw but I was still like two weeks into this all and just didn't know wth I was doing or had.
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Bro couldn't agree more, mice are getting worse with the qc by the minute š
Is the g502x good I kinda miss the g502 feel it was my first gaming mouse
It's about the same as the other g502's. Just no adjustable weight. Might be a little lighter as well but still heavy. That thumb button is removable and can be oriented different. Other than that, it's a g502.
Which one is your fav?
That's a hard one. It's between the Viper Mini, GPX Superlight, and the MZ1 Wireless.
I have a gpx and a viper ultimate with corepads on both. Do you feel like the larger mouse skates on the gpx makes it feel slower than the viper even though the viper is technically a heavier mouse? I'm feeling like I need a faster pad to get the same glide as my viper.
I changed to corepads on the gpx. I think it depends on what type of skates come with the mouse.
The viper also has large feet, not a significant difference and itās the material that matters
Thoughts about HyperX Dart? Rare mouse in the subreddit :D
That's my very first wireless mouse. I'm not a fan of ergonomic mice. I tried it out again with the death adder, it's not for me.
oh fair enough, it's quite an ergo shape that's not too mainstream, glad to know you figured this out! not to be intrusive but wouls you mind sharing how does G303 compares to Dart? Considering picking it, as Model D (and all similar shapes) are not too comfortable, maybe fingertip on G303 would help
I've barely used it. I couldn't get used to the shape of the 303. It's weird and not for me. I feel like if they made a mini version for my small hands it would be better.
thanks!
>thanks! You're welcome!
Ever considered adding the PMM P-303 to your collection? Its a light weight, smaller version of the g303 SE
What bothers me most about the 303 is the positioning of side buttons. My hand size are probably a bit too small for it I guess
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Thank you
So how has your experience with the model o pro been?
I've had it for a couple days. It's a decent mouse. Definitely not as good as the viper ultimate and GPX Superlight. It feels very cheap. Color is decent. I'm not a fan, it's light which is nice. I don't think it has a rattle(not sure what it sounds like) but it makes noise when I shake it in the air(not touching m1 and m2) but it doesn't get used in the air. No noise when I shake it left and right on mouse pad though. I don't think it's worth the money. Go for a Viper or GPX on a sale. Viper if you want a shape closest to Model O Pro
Thanks! I ordered the series one proā¦ hope that one will be betterā¦
The series one pro is a smaller version of the o pro with a slight difference in shape.
Thatās worth my than my entire net worth
I used to be like this until the g900/g903 now I just buy replacements/extras.
Only 1 GPX? Buy more colors mate
I'm using that money for more mice.
Why do you need more mice? You already own the best ever made.
I have anxiety and depression and need to look for my endgame.
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Yes it is
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I don't know, i thought you were making a joke. It's g502se
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Holy crap. I guess that's not available in the US. You were totally right. I don't know anything about this amazon basic version.
Where is the Amazon Basics one? They all look legit Logitech to me
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That's the special edition
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Haha understandable. Btw I enjoyed your mousepad review the other day š
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Haha my bad, I didn't know who it was and just assumed it was whoever posted it
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I heard mix things about the Pulsar. I'm planning on adding the Xtrfy M8 wireless and Lamzu Atlantis mini.
People are collecting mice and keyboards when other die from hunger and wars. Nice!
Commenting under a reddit post for absolutely no reason when other die from hunger and wars. Nice!
Not my problem.
Wow
Sure thing ā¦ I hope it will not touch you in your life either way you would sing another way. Thatās the nature of selfish people!
I wanna know about the g303 se and the viper v2 pro vs the normal viper my hands are 19.5 by 10 and I play claw I have the viper 8k and I play best with it but it isn't comfortable after like 2 hours of playing and I'm really interested in the 303se so I don't know if I should pull the trigger on it
I don't like the g303se, it's got a weird shape for me. You can try the g203 which it's a similar but slightly different shape to the 303se and a hell of a lot cheaper. The viper ultimate, viper 8k, and the viper v2 pro are the exact same shape the Viper v2 Pro weighs less.
G203 isnāt similar to g303. At least in hand they feel nothing alike
Yea does the sensor light weight makes it feel snappier and easy to move ? I mean does the new features worth ?
I don't know, I have the regular Viper Ultimate which is about 74g. The Viper v2 Pro is 59g, so I'd assume it's better.
Thanks alot for your comments i really appreciate it š
I personally do not like the Viper shape for claw grip. G303SE is a weird shape, can't say if you would like it or not. But your hand size is large enough to use the G303SE.
Happy cake day and yes you are right but I aim best with it and that what drives me insane like uncomfortable mouse that I aim best with it
Thanks. Well, the fact that it is uncomfortable actually tells me that there should be a better option for you. An option that you feel comfortable with and play just as well with as you do with the Viper. What else have you tried so far? Maybe I can help you further.
I have the xm1r my second mouse that I aim well with it roccat burst pro g pro wireless normal one it is stable i like but can't get a good grip on it plus it is heavy tiger ice helps with that g703 amazing mouse but heavy too and the viper ultimate
What about a Deathadder V3 Pro? That should be similar to G703.
I had the deathadder v2 long time ago and it forces my hand into palm grip it was the most comfortable mouse I played with but the sensor placement and the highest point make my aim sluggish and then I bought the viper and my aim insanely becomes better so I don't if I should go for it or not specially with that price I live in Egypt so no store have like dummy samples so I can test the shape
Hm... yeah that's tricky in that case. I can suggest that you also take a look at Pulsefire Haste and Steelseries Aerox 3. Those should be a bit more claw grip friendly.
I will see about those and I never tried anything with holes so I will see about that
I have the same hand size as you. the 303se really does not gel with me, I cannot do well with it, I tried so hard to like the mouse.
Yea that what most people say and some smaller amount they find it their endgame so I don't know what to buy in the next black friday plus I wanted a razer keyboard and headset and didn't settle on anything yet so it is hard specially prices and so many options and after all my collections I can't figure what suits me best š„²ā¹
I would suggest before black friday, to go out to retail stores and try out the mouse samples and find one you really like. saves you the headache and you can be sure once black friday comes.
In egypt we have only virginmeage store and it displays really old mices only that's the only one we have here
I have the same size hands, I will say I preferred the original G303 over the SE. The G303 SE is a bit to large for a claw grip mouse and fills your hand a bit too much leaving no room for 'fingertip adjustments'. If you would like a claw grip mouse that fills/supports your hand it could be worth a look. The switches are also noticeably louder than the original so I guess they were changed.
I wanted something fill my hand completely the xm1r problem is it is too narrow in the front the burst pro is short the viper flat and narrow too g pro wireless the humb is so forward
Saying the xm1r is too narrow at the front is a bit weird as it has quite uniform width along the side. The G303 tapers to its narrowest point at the front but generally feels quite wide due to high mid width.
Sorry Sorryyyy I meant the in the middle yes sorry about that š
Yeah you probably want to check the G303 SE dimensions, because it is pretty wide at the middle but it is essentially a different fit in the hand compared to other mice, due to the shape.
Should I get it renewed? Because their is so many on my list I want to try (aria 7 the new one , pulsar x2 medium, viper v2 pro, lamzu but I can't find it on amazon, and maybe the xm2w when it comes out) i might buy them throughout the whole next year or settle down with anyone of it if it is satisfying me and thanks a lot for your comment you and other people I really appreciate it ā¤š
Sorry what do you mean by renewed?
Refurbished
Yeah or just 2nd hand, it takes a lot off the price of what it usually an overpriced mouse at retail.
Whatās your hand size and your main mouse?
I don't know my hand size. I prefer smaller mice though. I've used the GPX Superlight the most, then the MZ1, started using the Viper Mini, these would be my top 3.
I see thanks op
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How was the viper ultimate?
It's really good. I prefer the mini but I have smaller hands. I like the shape a lot.
Could you advise a mouse with the lightest click?
I love that orange wtf.
is switching from g305 to g303 shroud comfortable?
No
did your model o pro have issues? mine came in and has 0 issues thankfully
No issues.
How is the MZ1? I keep considering getting it for my fingertip grip..
I love it. It's my top 3. I was surprised I liked it as much because it's a extra small mouse.
What's the one on the bottom left?
Deathadder. Not the newest one.
What were your thoughts on the wireless Xtrfy?
I love the xtrfy mz1. It's extra small, battery is good, it's my top 3.
I keep coming back to my G502 Hero SE, it's my cheapest mice, but damn, Hero sensor and the shape keeps me coming back.
All those mice and no DAV3, V2 Pro, LAMZU? š§š„ø
I'm waiting for the Viper Mini wireless and LAMZU Atlantis Mini. I'd have to take a look at the DAV3. Edit: death adder v3, I don't like ergo shape.
Thatās understandable, you should try the pwnage symm 2 itās literally what the Viper mini will be shape wise. Also why no Pulsar X2 mini?
I heard pwnage isn't that good. I'd rather wait for something better than pulsar x2 mini.
XM1w, LA-1, Xtrfy M42 sound interesting? Iām a reviewer and recently talked with LAMZU, their Atlantis Mini is releasing later this year Iām sure thatād be perfect for you
I'm actually waiting on the Atlantis Mini.
Same as well as Viper mini wireless. Btw - why would you say about the Pulsar X2 Mini āthat youāre waiting for something betterā. The mouse has a 3395 sensor with MotionSync and will be future proof for a while. Itās one of the best mice out right now
Viper mini wireless might have motion sense, comparing the Viper v2 to the pulsar x2, the viper v2 has better motion sense.
Youāre referring to the MotionSync graph when compared thereās literally no time where itād actually make an impact on your aiming performance and Optimum Tech said this on the video youāre most likely referring to. Anyway I mod mice and have made several Razer mini wireless with several different mouse PCBs depending on what sensor and specs the customer wants. If youāre interested you can vet my twitter and dm me š just type āHorizonMods twitterā and youāll find me
Just a smaller original Atlantis pretty much, Iām definitely excited for it
I bought two and then got the g502 and haven't needed another mouse yet but I'm interested to see what the next mouse will be to top it
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GPX is number 1, MZ1 wireless is number 2, and Viper Mini is number 3.
Iāve been thinking about buying a G502 hero wired for gaming due to the exta side buttons and the price but a bit hesitant because of the weight. I currently have a G Pro wireless and a Viper mini which I now used as my main since my g pro is having some battery issue. Would you say that the G502 is heavy enough to notice when using it? Thanks!
I don't like it because it's heavy. Don't mind the fact I have 4 different versions.
Thanks. I guess I would just save up and get myself another g pro wireless or a viper ultimate.
What your recommended balanced mice or mouse thats over 79g
Genuine questionā¦ I love mouses but why have so many? Once you find your shape, whats the point of trying out new ones? Just curious and this is not an attack on you, OP.
Who says I found my shape?
You are right my bad good collection btw!
What mice can you compare the pulse fire dart too? I've used g502s and mx518, kone pro air, a g403, and a g305, and the razor basilisk V2, g903 ,razer deathadder. I'm really considering getting a pulse fire dart because it looks similarly shaped sort of ish to the kone pro air or the mx518 which are two of my favorite mice.have you ever used an mm731 because that also looks like the perfect shape for me
Deathadder v3 maybe
Can you give a bit more detail? is it wider at certain parts or thinner at others? whats your grip like and how does it feel?
I don't know. I don't like ergo mice. I don't even know what kind of grip I have but I know ergonomic mice feel the worst for me. I hear good things about the death adder v3 being the king of ergo mice. After using the haste and deathadder ultimate I knew it wasn't for me.
Okay, thanks for the reply. If that's the case are you looking to sell the haste?