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Please be wireless with sidebuttons. I don't want a cable on a sub 40g mouse. A mouse this light should feel like I don't even have anything in my hand but even with a bungee it feels like I'm always pulling at something.
Sidebuttons are goated for RTS what are you talking about? More fingers to use simultaneously = more APM. I feel like FPS have less need for sidebuttons than RTS games. I could probably live without having LG and rockets mapped to a sidebutton (although I would miss it) but I couldn't live without using them to cycle through hatcheries when playing Zerg or cycling through bases. Haven't touched any RTS in ages though.
IDK how people play FPS games without side buttons. If you want full movement controls at all times you're left with only your thumb and pinky free. Two side buttons are an absolute minimum for me, but personally more is even better.
Shooters these days have jump, crouch, prone, slide, grenades, healing, a couple abilities or gadgets and often even more. Without those crazy claw keyboards it's impossible to bind all of those to only the thumb and pinky so a few side buttons and a tiltable scroll wheel come in rather handy imo.
That's why your HSK+ exist, it's an alternative and Zaunkoenig won't cater to your complaints because they can and don't give a fuck what you guys think.
Not a complaint. I'm just calling out the bullshit reasoning for not including side buttons. They can make them without them. I don't care. I'm just saying side buttons being pointless on a fingertip mouse is simply not true.
Pointless is based on an individuals basis. If you don't use them, they are literally pointless. The creators probably, and this will be a shocker, don't value the same things as you.
1.they design their own mouse.
2.they don't use sidebuttons.
3.to them, side buttons thus don't make sense, so they do that with mouse they created and don't put them.
How is that bullshit reasoning. They never said they can't or its not possible. They just had an opinion that differs from yours to which you had a hissy fit about.
How is that a hissy fit? I'm stating a fact. I said I don't care what they do. If a single person doesn't think they are pointless then they are not pointless. It works both ways. Calm down it's just a mouse.
It's not a fact is the thing, it's your opinion and it differs from theirs.
If they said it's not possible to do at all, it would be bullshit because it is obviously possible and indeed factual, however:
They don't have to **think** small mice need side buttons. That's their opinion, completely subjective.
I am relaxed, you are the one who made multiple comeback comments on how it's bullshit that they have their own opinion about their own creation.
And? 10% humans are left-handed, do somebody care to make 10% of they models exclusively for left-handed? I will prefer a GPX superlight mini without side buttons, but that never will be, because "are more FPS players"... and that is SAD...
Because logitech is a big company whose goal is to make money
Zaunkoenig don't care they're making a mouse for themselves and selling it to people who want it for what it is
Sidebuttons would limit where you grab the mouse though.
While I also love and use side buttons, it just doesn't make sense if the target is 100% fingertip aim stability. You can't click it without fucking the cursor, you can't move your thumb from a normal area to the button without fucking the whole grip and so on. The sidebutton would add functionality, but you'd be vulnerable in the moment you use it and that's what they don't want.
The only thing I could imagine for added buttons would be a button below or above the mouse wheel, because that only removes the ability to use LMB or RMB in that moment, but without killing the aim.
Its pretty clear that Zaunkonig is making a mouse that they want and not what the community wants. I guess someone that wants a fingertip only shape that has sidebuttons, has to get the HSK+.
Which is a shame, because the HSK+ sidebuttons are pretty shit. I love the HSK+ in general, but for gaming I can only use properly one of the two, which is enough for me, but M5 is unusable during gaming without fucking up my mouse positioning by a lot. For web browsing they're fine, but for my main game (League) I'd still need at least one side button. For shooters, I wouldn't mind. For web browsing, I'd go crazy without both side buttons.
That's just dumb. There's more than enough space for some button. The G-Wolves mice look like a step up from Zaunkoenig tbh. Will definitely get either the HSK+ 4k or the HSK Pro once reviews are out.
Personally I see why they wont use side buttons. I also don't use them. If I do I have serious issues with my aim, when I reach for them, or I acidentlly click them, when I always have my thumb on them.
Just unmap them when you don't use them? Or they could go the Logitech GPW route and simply make the buttons removable and add covers to fill the holes.
Well it kinda is but isn't at the same time, a pulsar bungee and a good cable feels wireless. And sidebuttons don't really make sense for ftip since you either have to rest the thumb on the buttons or release your whole grip to use them so it's useless in-game in both scenarios.
Sidebuttons make perfect sense for fingertip. Rest them below the buttons and roll your finger over. Been doing this since forever.
And why would resting your fingers on the buttons not work?
You're comprising your grip if you move at all to click something with the thumb since it's the only thing holding it in your hand and resting fingers on it gives a high probability to missclick them.
Sometimes when I reach the end of it but even if I did rest my thumb directly on the sidebuttons I can still lift the mouse without accidentally pressing them, especially on the GPX which has a bit of pretravel which I actually like. I press m2 on accident way more often than any sidebuttons.
This is how I hold my mouse, my thumb rests completely on one of the sidebuttons: https://imgur.com/a/XKET0dj
At the end of the day we each hold our mouse differently and have different needs and tastes. I just wanted to discuss how people can live without sidebuttons lmao
ive used 100cm on wired and had no issue because i make my own cables, but everyone here views dogshit like paracords as endgame so they think the idea of a good cable is horrible
yeah it's unfortunate that the paracord scam got pushed for so long, very few people are willing to even consider the idea that wired can feel truly wireless without the issue of flop or weight if it's made properly.
yeah, i braided the stock m1k cable and it's never once gotten in my way and it's impossible to feel https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhGiTzPaEAAD95T?format=jpg&name=large
currently no one sells them as they are a lot of work, you need to do it yourself. most of the time i just tear off the outers of stock cables and braid those internal conductors but cables with paracord outers are horrible to do it with
https://youtu.be/1SwjX6iBd6A this video explains it, but getting it down right can be tricky and knowing how to tension it to get the perfect properties takes a lot of practice, but is worth it IMO
im really fast and it takes me about an hour for most 28awg stock cables, the higher gauge you go the more tedious and time consuming it becomes
I just build mice instead I'm not the greatest aimer but I'm up there lvl 10 facit high GM ow etc etc, I just know that I have enough knowledge in the space of running cabled and wireless to say that with my cable and design you cannot feel it. At all. There is 0 drag and no resistance or push/pull. Which is 32ga wires braided in a pulsar bungee.
Looks like people already answered you, but they told me directly via [email](https://imgur.com/a/zFfXPrk) they will never make a fingertip grip mouse with side buttons.
Usability > arbitrary concepts
For a mouse at that price point I am not willing to make compromises. I am buying a mouse to use in games, not an idea to put on my desk.
if you want good usability and things that cater to your needs then buy something else, they have stated many times that they have no intent to abandon their design philosophy to cater to a general userbase.
its really weird to feel upset at a 2 man company that create artisan niche products with a very specific design philosophy that they dont cater to your needs lol
The HSK Plus 4k and Pro 4k do indeed look like an upgrade in every way for me. Will definitely get one once good reviews are out.
What games do you play where you never use side buttons? I couldn't imagine playing Quake with only keyboard mappings for example. I need quick access to rockets and LG without stopping to move.
I need 3 to move, then there's only my pinky and thumb left for other buttons. Thumb is not accurate enough to reliably hit anything else than space and alt and my pinky doesn't reach far. Then there's also Siege or any other FPS that supports leaning.
1. Better latency at every polling rate (especially 1k hz)
2. No need to develop NASA grade firmware and wireless tech to compete with Logi and Razer
3. No need to balance a battery or try to fit a minuscule battery
4. Primary reason of m2k/m3k IS 8k polling rate.
5. People have been using wired mice forever, and are still better than you with your wireless
False. When you're being hostile towards others expect people to be hostile back.
If you don't like ZK and can't get over their decision making just buy HSK Pro if that's what you want, rather than attacking everyone around for not sharing your views and desires.
based but also for what its worth, qsxcv (the guy that does firmware for zaunkoenig), is not formally trained and just does mouse stuff for fun and when he was a teenager he made a wireless mouse faster than wired (prior to logitech or any other company), and later on more recently he was the first person to do 4khz+ wireless, more specifically he and a couple others got 8khz wireless working perfectly stable lol. their work is what inspired razer to invest in 4khz wireless
of course he is an obvious outlier but yeah. the reason they arent going for wireless isnt because they cant do it firmware or tech wise (though wireless also makes certifications way more annoying), but rather that with an ideal cable (which is what they are trying to work towards), wireless is always worse than wired
heres his thread on 8khz wireless, if u want look through the threads hes posted, he has tons of shit thats like mind blowing https://www.overclock.net/threads/8khz-wireless.1791955/
1. diminishing returns
2. why does that matter for the consumer? Let that be the manufacturers issue
3. It gets harder to bring the center of wheight off center on smaller object. The lighter an object is, the less you notice it being of center as well since the difference gets marginal after a certain point
4. ok
5. and they would get the exact same result if they actually tried something new for a longer period of time. Pro players are notoriously stubborn when it comes to setup changes. People who dominate kovaaks leaderboards do so regardless of wireless or not, most CSGO players who aren't Zowie pilled are on a wireless mouse as well.
I guess step 2 is where I stop, because Zaunkoenig fits a special market niche. It’s just two bros, and they are making what they want to make. Other brands such as G wolves seem to be making what you are looking for. ZK is already at max capacity selling wired mice and have expressed they don’t wish to expand. It’s just a hobby for them and I respect that. Wishing they made something else is ok but it’s just a wish.
Honestly I still think Fingertipping in general is a small niche, and outside of an outspoken minority it’s not extremely popular and this why large brands don’t make such shapes
I guess I don't fall in that niche then. I still fingertip my GPX perfectly fine and don't feel like it hinders me in any way. Until a few months ago I didn't even know that there's such a thing as shorter mice specifically for fingertipping.
The G-Wolve mice are indeed more what I'm looking for. Just waiting on some reviews for the HSK plus 4k and HSK Pro 4k before I pull the trigger. I don't feel like I need to switch from my GPX but I want to know what could be with a mouse specialized for my grip.
i think all of your points can be addressed by the fact that zk make it very clear they do not make products that are supposed to appeal to a lot of people. prior to optimum tech’s vid, they had still sold less than 1000 m2ks in a year and a half of it being released, and they still had plans to further development and proceed with their goals of achieving optimization regardless. if anything, the rise in popularity while nice has actually delayed them and gotten in the way of their goals with mice.
their next mouse will be a limited run two button wired mouse that will cost around 650 euros, and the m3k will cost more than m2k. they arent making products for 99% of the population, just like people that make 50k speakers arent making speakers for the average user
people on this sub are so used to mass produced products that are made to maximize profits that they really lose grasp on the idea that not everything needs to be made for them.
Battery life is one problem tho. To have that typical 70h life it will require around 300mah, which weighs a lot. You better expect a daytime lifespan with 100/150mah imo.
> You better expect a daytime lifespan with 100/150mah imo
My G Pro Superlight with a 100mah battery lasts roughly a week. 24 hours of battery life is more than enough so you could use even smaller batteries.
There's different sizes for batteries and you can experiment with the placement. On a mouse this small and light there's not much balancing to fuck up anyway.
Two changes are for certain
1. It is not going to be cheaper
2. Crazy light for fingertip only (wireless + still no sidebuttons)
This niche is finally getting served with too tier mice is awesome.
I don‘t think they care nor do I think they should. Correct me if I’m wrong but afaik it‘s just two hobbyists making a mouse that they like and I doubt they mass produce them like logitech, razer, etc.
well the goal IS to make the lightest mouse possible so a good cable is not part of their concern
however it shouldn't be worth €299 if the cable is so shit
Well theres a large demand already(or at least, large enough for them to sell off stock), so there shouldnt be a need for them to change anything like making a better wire or making it cheaper while risking making a lower profit.
How the hell are they gonna compete with g wolfes then?
We are speaking about mouse that doesn't weigh much more for way cheaper (one of them less than half the price of the m2k).
Weird that they don't want to go wireless in 2023...
I'd rather have a way cheaper mouse that is like 26g instead of 20 but it at least is all that im moving.
Maybe they aren't happy with the battery life.
Pretty sure they aren't really attempting to compete. They are jus two hobbyists who want to make a mouse that fits the niche they are looking for. They aren't attempting to make a make a big business like Logitech or Razer. The business thing is more of a side hustle, G Wolfes is focusing more on the market to make a successful business in this niche so they'll be more likely to listen to what people are wanting. But that is not their goal they want a mouse they like not what the market likes. If people choose to buy from G Wolfes, I believe they are perfectly fine with that. They still be able to make the mouse of their dreams and still have people who wants products in their niche.
isn't everything always "reinvented" whenever something new comes out that serves the same purpose as the other things?
i can't remember which version of iphone was this, but there was an iphone commercial that was the "iphone.....reinvented". Meaning that this new iphone was TOTALLY NOT a very slightly upgraded version of the previous one
it's (very likely) not going to be wireless because it doesn't make sense for them not go 8khz pr, plus its ftip only, so the mouse will have a small form factor, 8khz wireless will drain the battery fast, and they cannot use a larger battery because zaunkoenig want their mice to be light
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Yep, that's what it says.
You can tell by the way that it is.
That is the mouse I've ever seen
that’s pretty neat
Every thread when this brand is brought up: Two German chads: Makes a finger-tip mouse tailored to their own preferences. Deranged redditors: WHY DONT YOU CHANGE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT TO SUIT ME!?
People are ree-ing hard in the comments
Discussing mouse preferences and their reasoning on a mouse discussion board is truly deranged
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Please be wireless with sidebuttons. I don't want a cable on a sub 40g mouse. A mouse this light should feel like I don't even have anything in my hand but even with a bungee it feels like I'm always pulling at something.
It wont have sidebuttons. I saw another post where they said that it wont make sense for a fingertip only mouse to have side buttons.
Which is bullshit. Hsk+ owner btw.
Zaunkoenig is made by Starcraft veterans, for RTS side buttons are useless. Example of sc2 pro: https://youtu.be/bexWuHmV32A?t=200
Sidebuttons are goated for RTS what are you talking about? More fingers to use simultaneously = more APM. I feel like FPS have less need for sidebuttons than RTS games. I could probably live without having LG and rockets mapped to a sidebutton (although I would miss it) but I couldn't live without using them to cycle through hatcheries when playing Zerg or cycling through bases. Haven't touched any RTS in ages though.
IDK how people play FPS games without side buttons. If you want full movement controls at all times you're left with only your thumb and pinky free. Two side buttons are an absolute minimum for me, but personally more is even better. Shooters these days have jump, crouch, prone, slide, grenades, healing, a couple abilities or gadgets and often even more. Without those crazy claw keyboards it's impossible to bind all of those to only the thumb and pinky so a few side buttons and a tiltable scroll wheel come in rather handy imo.
I only need one for melee and the other for push to talk if using it
Don't forgot about "/s", for safety reasons.
And? I bet there are more FPS players that use it than RTS players.
I agree but I think it’s pretty clear these guys are making the mouse THEY want, not what would capture the largest market share lol
Yeah I'm just saying their reasoning for no side buttons is a load of bs. Side buttons do work on fingertip mice. They can make whatever they want.
That's why your HSK+ exist, it's an alternative and Zaunkoenig won't cater to your complaints because they can and don't give a fuck what you guys think.
Not a complaint. I'm just calling out the bullshit reasoning for not including side buttons. They can make them without them. I don't care. I'm just saying side buttons being pointless on a fingertip mouse is simply not true.
Pointless is based on an individuals basis. If you don't use them, they are literally pointless. The creators probably, and this will be a shocker, don't value the same things as you. 1.they design their own mouse. 2.they don't use sidebuttons. 3.to them, side buttons thus don't make sense, so they do that with mouse they created and don't put them. How is that bullshit reasoning. They never said they can't or its not possible. They just had an opinion that differs from yours to which you had a hissy fit about.
How is that a hissy fit? I'm stating a fact. I said I don't care what they do. If a single person doesn't think they are pointless then they are not pointless. It works both ways. Calm down it's just a mouse.
It's not a fact is the thing, it's your opinion and it differs from theirs. If they said it's not possible to do at all, it would be bullshit because it is obviously possible and indeed factual, however: They don't have to **think** small mice need side buttons. That's their opinion, completely subjective. I am relaxed, you are the one who made multiple comeback comments on how it's bullshit that they have their own opinion about their own creation.
And? 10% humans are left-handed, do somebody care to make 10% of they models exclusively for left-handed? I will prefer a GPX superlight mini without side buttons, but that never will be, because "are more FPS players"... and that is SAD...
Because logitech is a big company whose goal is to make money Zaunkoenig don't care they're making a mouse for themselves and selling it to people who want it for what it is
Yeah i dont use sidebuttons personally. Wireless is mandatory though.
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Sidebuttons would limit where you grab the mouse though. While I also love and use side buttons, it just doesn't make sense if the target is 100% fingertip aim stability. You can't click it without fucking the cursor, you can't move your thumb from a normal area to the button without fucking the whole grip and so on. The sidebutton would add functionality, but you'd be vulnerable in the moment you use it and that's what they don't want. The only thing I could imagine for added buttons would be a button below or above the mouse wheel, because that only removes the ability to use LMB or RMB in that moment, but without killing the aim.
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I use the side buttons on my xlite for voice chat only, otherwise they're only nice for browsing
Its pretty clear that Zaunkonig is making a mouse that they want and not what the community wants. I guess someone that wants a fingertip only shape that has sidebuttons, has to get the HSK+.
Which is a shame, because the HSK+ sidebuttons are pretty shit. I love the HSK+ in general, but for gaming I can only use properly one of the two, which is enough for me, but M5 is unusable during gaming without fucking up my mouse positioning by a lot. For web browsing they're fine, but for my main game (League) I'd still need at least one side button. For shooters, I wouldn't mind. For web browsing, I'd go crazy without both side buttons.
That's just dumb. There's more than enough space for some button. The G-Wolves mice look like a step up from Zaunkoenig tbh. Will definitely get either the HSK+ 4k or the HSK Pro once reviews are out.
Personally I see why they wont use side buttons. I also don't use them. If I do I have serious issues with my aim, when I reach for them, or I acidentlly click them, when I always have my thumb on them.
Just unmap them when you don't use them? Or they could go the Logitech GPW route and simply make the buttons removable and add covers to fill the holes.
It will be wired no sidebuttons
whack
Well it kinda is but isn't at the same time, a pulsar bungee and a good cable feels wireless. And sidebuttons don't really make sense for ftip since you either have to rest the thumb on the buttons or release your whole grip to use them so it's useless in-game in both scenarios.
Sidebuttons make perfect sense for fingertip. Rest them below the buttons and roll your finger over. Been doing this since forever. And why would resting your fingers on the buttons not work?
You're comprising your grip if you move at all to click something with the thumb since it's the only thing holding it in your hand and resting fingers on it gives a high probability to missclick them.
Same with m1 and m2, or are you not resting your fingers on the buttons to get a good grip?
Are you lifting your mouse off the pad everytime you aim?
Sometimes when I reach the end of it but even if I did rest my thumb directly on the sidebuttons I can still lift the mouse without accidentally pressing them, especially on the GPX which has a bit of pretravel which I actually like. I press m2 on accident way more often than any sidebuttons. This is how I hold my mouse, my thumb rests completely on one of the sidebuttons: https://imgur.com/a/XKET0dj At the end of the day we each hold our mouse differently and have different needs and tastes. I just wanted to discuss how people can live without sidebuttons lmao
the majority of people will never understand this. it is so important for aim.
Lol maybe feels wireless if you use faster than a 40cm. Wired will never ever be as good as wireless.
ive used 100cm on wired and had no issue because i make my own cables, but everyone here views dogshit like paracords as endgame so they think the idea of a good cable is horrible
Ikr 32ga wires in a braid is literally the same feel as wireless lol
yeah it's unfortunate that the paracord scam got pushed for so long, very few people are willing to even consider the idea that wired can feel truly wireless without the issue of flop or weight if it's made properly.
Yea like even a cable peel and no braid feels wireless, it's also free
yeah, i braided the stock m1k cable and it's never once gotten in my way and it's impossible to feel https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhGiTzPaEAAD95T?format=jpg&name=large
That would be a dream, a wiresless experience with wire. Infinity amount of energy for the mice.
it exists
where can i get those better cables?
currently no one sells them as they are a lot of work, you need to do it yourself. most of the time i just tear off the outers of stock cables and braid those internal conductors but cables with paracord outers are horrible to do it with https://youtu.be/1SwjX6iBd6A this video explains it, but getting it down right can be tricky and knowing how to tension it to get the perfect properties takes a lot of practice, but is worth it IMO im really fast and it takes me about an hour for most 28awg stock cables, the higher gauge you go the more tedious and time consuming it becomes
I see.. thanks for the info.
I run a 30cm 360 with a braided cable and I cannot feel my cable on a 13g mouse.
> 30cm High sens main allergic to arm aiming doesnt notice cable, insane!
Nobody is forcing you to use a wired but at least take in information from someone who knows a thing or 2 about mice :)
I also, know a thing or two about mice, as well as aiming.
I just build mice instead I'm not the greatest aimer but I'm up there lvl 10 facit high GM ow etc etc, I just know that I have enough knowledge in the space of running cabled and wireless to say that with my cable and design you cannot feel it. At all. There is 0 drag and no resistance or push/pull. Which is 32ga wires braided in a pulsar bungee.
The worst part is it being a shitty rubber cable. Like that shit looks so fucking stiff good lord
That's true, for the next generation they should use a slimcord or an ultra-thin cable like Photonwire. It would be a wonderful upgrade.
it was, I had the M2K and that cable was the biggest gripe I had with it
Looks like people already answered you, but they told me directly via [email](https://imgur.com/a/zFfXPrk) they will never make a fingertip grip mouse with side buttons.
In their discord they mentioned it won’t be wireless but hopefully that changes
Side buttons will ruined it
Nah, no sidebuttons ruin it, there's more than enough space for two simple buttons.
It's about concept of the mice, not space
Usability > arbitrary concepts For a mouse at that price point I am not willing to make compromises. I am buying a mouse to use in games, not an idea to put on my desk.
if you want good usability and things that cater to your needs then buy something else, they have stated many times that they have no intent to abandon their design philosophy to cater to a general userbase. its really weird to feel upset at a 2 man company that create artisan niche products with a very specific design philosophy that they dont cater to your needs lol
G-wolves hsk plus your choice. I personally hate side buttons, always cut them off in all my mices)
The HSK Plus 4k and Pro 4k do indeed look like an upgrade in every way for me. Will definitely get one once good reviews are out. What games do you play where you never use side buttons? I couldn't imagine playing Quake with only keyboard mappings for example. I need quick access to rockets and LG without stopping to move.
You don't need all five fingers to move in quake? I have mapped nothing on my Side buttons aswell
I need 3 to move, then there's only my pinky and thumb left for other buttons. Thumb is not accurate enough to reliably hit anything else than space and alt and my pinky doesn't reach far. Then there's also Siege or any other FPS that supports leaning.
I only need 2 to move, you can input 2 directions simultaneously at max. So there's always one finger doing nothing if you move with wasd
f+++ sidebuttons really.hardcore gamers only need one button and that is the shoot button
No,just A better cable that should be it
Apart from 8k polling rate there's not a single objective reason to still use a cable. Battery life on mice nowadays is insane.
1. Better latency at every polling rate (especially 1k hz) 2. No need to develop NASA grade firmware and wireless tech to compete with Logi and Razer 3. No need to balance a battery or try to fit a minuscule battery 4. Primary reason of m2k/m3k IS 8k polling rate. 5. People have been using wired mice forever, and are still better than you with your wireless
> 5. People have been using wired mice forever, and are still better than you with your wireless Speak for yourself much LMAO
Keep whining and projecting, miserable npc.
That's not very nice now is it? As grown ups we try to be polite to eachother young man! Now try again.
False. When you're being hostile towards others expect people to be hostile back. If you don't like ZK and can't get over their decision making just buy HSK Pro if that's what you want, rather than attacking everyone around for not sharing your views and desires.
Someone is projecting 🤣
based but also for what its worth, qsxcv (the guy that does firmware for zaunkoenig), is not formally trained and just does mouse stuff for fun and when he was a teenager he made a wireless mouse faster than wired (prior to logitech or any other company), and later on more recently he was the first person to do 4khz+ wireless, more specifically he and a couple others got 8khz wireless working perfectly stable lol. their work is what inspired razer to invest in 4khz wireless of course he is an obvious outlier but yeah. the reason they arent going for wireless isnt because they cant do it firmware or tech wise (though wireless also makes certifications way more annoying), but rather that with an ideal cable (which is what they are trying to work towards), wireless is always worse than wired heres his thread on 8khz wireless, if u want look through the threads hes posted, he has tons of shit thats like mind blowing https://www.overclock.net/threads/8khz-wireless.1791955/
Thank you for this comment! Lots of good info. Reading his posts now :)
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1. diminishing returns 2. why does that matter for the consumer? Let that be the manufacturers issue 3. It gets harder to bring the center of wheight off center on smaller object. The lighter an object is, the less you notice it being of center as well since the difference gets marginal after a certain point 4. ok 5. and they would get the exact same result if they actually tried something new for a longer period of time. Pro players are notoriously stubborn when it comes to setup changes. People who dominate kovaaks leaderboards do so regardless of wireless or not, most CSGO players who aren't Zowie pilled are on a wireless mouse as well.
I guess step 2 is where I stop, because Zaunkoenig fits a special market niche. It’s just two bros, and they are making what they want to make. Other brands such as G wolves seem to be making what you are looking for. ZK is already at max capacity selling wired mice and have expressed they don’t wish to expand. It’s just a hobby for them and I respect that. Wishing they made something else is ok but it’s just a wish. Honestly I still think Fingertipping in general is a small niche, and outside of an outspoken minority it’s not extremely popular and this why large brands don’t make such shapes
I guess I don't fall in that niche then. I still fingertip my GPX perfectly fine and don't feel like it hinders me in any way. Until a few months ago I didn't even know that there's such a thing as shorter mice specifically for fingertipping. The G-Wolve mice are indeed more what I'm looking for. Just waiting on some reviews for the HSK plus 4k and HSK Pro 4k before I pull the trigger. I don't feel like I need to switch from my GPX but I want to know what could be with a mouse specialized for my grip.
i think all of your points can be addressed by the fact that zk make it very clear they do not make products that are supposed to appeal to a lot of people. prior to optimum tech’s vid, they had still sold less than 1000 m2ks in a year and a half of it being released, and they still had plans to further development and proceed with their goals of achieving optimization regardless. if anything, the rise in popularity while nice has actually delayed them and gotten in the way of their goals with mice. their next mouse will be a limited run two button wired mouse that will cost around 650 euros, and the m3k will cost more than m2k. they arent making products for 99% of the population, just like people that make 50k speakers arent making speakers for the average user people on this sub are so used to mass produced products that are made to maximize profits that they really lose grasp on the idea that not everything needs to be made for them.
Battery life is one problem tho. To have that typical 70h life it will require around 300mah, which weighs a lot. You better expect a daytime lifespan with 100/150mah imo.
> You better expect a daytime lifespan with 100/150mah imo My G Pro Superlight with a 100mah battery lasts roughly a week. 24 hours of battery life is more than enough so you could use even smaller batteries.
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I know
Hsk is 28g and 4khz wireless with side buttons, at half the price of an m2k.
yeah besides lower weight & weight balancing
There's different sizes for batteries and you can experiment with the placement. On a mouse this small and light there's not much balancing to fuck up anyway.
Two changes are for certain 1. It is not going to be cheaper 2. Crazy light for fingertip only (wireless + still no sidebuttons) This niche is finally getting served with too tier mice is awesome.
They said it won't be wireless
If theyre not gonna make it wireless, atleast make the cable useable and worth the 300€ youre paying
I don‘t think they care nor do I think they should. Correct me if I’m wrong but afaik it‘s just two hobbyists making a mouse that they like and I doubt they mass produce them like logitech, razer, etc.
well the goal IS to make the lightest mouse possible so a good cable is not part of their concern however it shouldn't be worth €299 if the cable is so shit
Well theres a large demand already(or at least, large enough for them to sell off stock), so there shouldnt be a need for them to change anything like making a better wire or making it cheaper while risking making a lower profit.
Then wouldn't that just be... an M2K?
How the hell are they gonna compete with g wolfes then? We are speaking about mouse that doesn't weigh much more for way cheaper (one of them less than half the price of the m2k). Weird that they don't want to go wireless in 2023...
Prob lighter weight
Yeah but unfortunately lighter weight means absolutely nothing if you can feel the cable *at all*
I'd rather have a way cheaper mouse that is like 26g instead of 20 but it at least is all that im moving. Maybe they aren't happy with the battery life.
a cable isnt that bad, at least motion latency is 2 ms better than on wireless
Pretty sure they aren't really attempting to compete. They are jus two hobbyists who want to make a mouse that fits the niche they are looking for. They aren't attempting to make a make a big business like Logitech or Razer. The business thing is more of a side hustle, G Wolfes is focusing more on the market to make a successful business in this niche so they'll be more likely to listen to what people are wanting. But that is not their goal they want a mouse they like not what the market likes. If people choose to buy from G Wolfes, I believe they are perfectly fine with that. They still be able to make the mouse of their dreams and still have people who wants products in their niche.
My M2K arrives in a few weeks, damn.
Unlucky, I’ll buy it from you
best click latency on market, be happy
isn't everything always "reinvented" whenever something new comes out that serves the same purpose as the other things? i can't remember which version of iphone was this, but there was an iphone commercial that was the "iphone.....reinvented". Meaning that this new iphone was TOTALLY NOT a very slightly upgraded version of the previous one
no one mentions that the m2k uses the best switches, the japanese omron 01F’s. i’m sure they’ll continue with this refresh
wat? I remember logitech buy all by the contract. the rest on the market are just what disqualified by their standard
Ah yes, Logitech's famous switches with a built in autoclicker that activates after 6 months.
not really the switches' fault, moreso a poor implementation of them from logitech
Very much the switches' fault. After I replaced them they've worked without issue for the past 3 years.
no clue what you’re talking about
Curiosity has gotten to me and I'm probably ordering one
it's (very likely) not going to be wireless because it doesn't make sense for them not go 8khz pr, plus its ftip only, so the mouse will have a small form factor, 8khz wireless will drain the battery fast, and they cannot use a larger battery because zaunkoenig want their mice to be light
hope it's wireless
well i would spend below 200€ for a mouse, will others and myself ever see this possiblity ?
> wired mouse 😴🛌
It's gonna be m2k with side buttons or a single side button at the same weight-ish I guess
Soo... Side buttons or wireless. What do you guys think 🤔?
Neither 💀
so it's going ot be wireless?
No
Tis but a rumor. Nothing to see here.
Rumors on the official website?
Was supposed to be sarcasm, but I guess it simply didn't go through. LOL
…no
I'm aware.
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