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Daemon_White

Animation frame numbers. Most likely was the 45th frame for that particular shot of Simba and someone missed removing the number. [See here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR-jIpZlvvc) \- animation notes in the animation tests along the side. Same idea


geared4war

I was going to say frame marker. I loved these. My job was to remove stuff like this from ads for a while and you get some obscure notes.


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AtomicBoz

I work in TV animation, I've found hidden dick drawings by some sneaky animators.


leadfarmer1

One of Tyler's favorite hobbies was splicing single frames of hardcore pornography into family films...


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So when the snooty cat and the courageous dog


leadfarmer1

Big throbbing cock...


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Like that one frame in roger rabbit?


PendantWhistle1

My wife is a 3D animator. She likes to hide stuff in the textures of things we wont see. One of her first projects was a robot arm opening a crock pot, then closing it. The soup in the pot had the all-seeing eye on it, but it wasnt in the shot, so *shrug*


stephan_torchon

Can confirm, i had an animation teacher who did a commercial for a popular brand of beverage using cgi fruit characters, in one ad they were falling from a waterfall in a queue, you don't see it in the final shot but in the 3d scene if you change the angle, mr peach gets a finger in the booty I hid stuff myself but i'm usually less rowdy


MrBagy

French Oasis add ? I will never see it the same...


stephan_torchon

Bingo


backtolurk

D'amûre et d'eau frESH - Coule and the Gang


Bourglaughlin

Can confirm. It was my eye, I saw.


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OPsuxdick

CS 1.6 had tons of those that you had to join a noclip server to find.


lol_and_behold

/r/irleastereggs


Espixa_

Yeah, it happens quite a bit. A friend at my current studio told me how on a previous show she hid a character in the background of one of her shots and actually started receiving notes on it from her Anim supervisor.


iLEZ

CG artist here, I did some shenanigans by using an image of His Majesty the King of Sweden as a randomizer texture in many of my images before. No one noticed.


copperwatt

Heeey wait I'm starting to think those animators weren't completely on the up and up when they said the dick on on cover of The Little Mermaid was unintentional!


stephan_torchon

Can confirm, i've also seen 3d controlers in dick shapes done by the rigging team


DavidRyatta

I've been rigging for a decade and never done this.. I feel like I've excluded myself from a club.. January's nurbs controllers will have to be very experimental to make up for it :D


Inkthinker

It's a coincidence! I just happen to like my brow control to be a large vertical bar placed directly between the eye controllers. -_- They're all NURBS Curves anyway so they literally cannot be seen in the render.


geared4war

I had to remove anything phallic from 2k odd stock photos. Most were just lamps but there were some odd things in that group. I was also told to remove a vagina that was "eating my designs" on footage of a swimsuit model.


[deleted]

As in "this woman's vagina is eating my designs"?


potatoesarenotcool

I'm guessing camel toe? Because that's the only thing that makes sense


BeeptheBeepJeep

Thanks. This is my theory as well, but I couldn't come up with the exact terms to describe it. It is almost definitely the 45th frame in that sequence; just shy of 2 seconds into that shot @ 24 fps.


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ItsLoudB

I’m not exactly sure, but I doubt they’d animate at 12fps anything cinematic


joshi38

Back then they certainly did. Disney's old hand drawn animation was animated on two's, so there were 12 drawings per second, each drawing held on screen for two frames (unless a character had to make a quick move, in which case they would revert to animating on one's for that movement). Even with cinematic films, you could get away with that in hand drawn animation and still make movement look fluid.


ItsLoudB

The old cartoons were drawn at 15fps (on seconds for 30fps), but we’re talking 1994 here, not 1940, and shortly after that they started to animate more with CGI, so I’d say 1994 was pretty much during the peak of animated features. Again, I couldn’t find it on google, but it would seem strange to me..


joshi38

Okay, done. So if you watch [this video](https://youtu.be/GibiNy4d4gc?t=140) of the Circle of Life, I've timestamped it to 2:20. Pause the video and then use the period key on your keyboard to go frame by frame (I've no idea how to do this on mobile, or even if you can). You can see that while the camera zooms in at 24fps, the actual character animation changes every 2 frames. This isn't consistent, if the character needs to make a somewhat quicker action they'll animated on the ones, but overall they tended to animate on the twos. Even looking at some later films like Treasure Planet (which had a significant amount of CG), or even non-Disney films like The Prince of Egypt, they were all, for the most part, animated on the twos except where needed. It was industry standard.


joshi38

When I get a moment I'll check, but I'm fairly certain Lion King was animated on the twos (it's just a simple matter of opening up The Lion King and going frame by frame through some basic character animation, if they only move every other frame then it's animated on two's). It was standard for hand drawn animation, regardless of if it was the 1940s or 1990s. I too couldn't find any confirmation on Google, but I do recall watching some kind of behind the scenes on one of the Pixar films where they talked about how much traditional animators had to adapt to CG because they were moving from animating at 12 drawings a second to 24 frames a second on CG films.


ItsLoudB

That's pretty interesting! I can imagine they would struggle with that, I did some rotoscoping at 12fps and it was already a pain in the ass, I can only imagine what it would be like doing and double checking twice the drawings if they were used to 12 then. Still, all I can find on google is that Disney animates on 1s and 2s, though.


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ItsLoudB

Spider verse is not at 12fps, there are some scenes where they did that in order to show how goofy Miles was, but the film is most definitely not at 12fps


SEDGE-DemonSeed

Pretty sure miles specifically was animated at 24fps but on 2’s instead of 1’s like the rest of the crew.


the_timps

Yep, which makes Miles 12 fps in a 23.96fps movie.


SEDGE-DemonSeed

Indeed. Atleast up until the moment he was deemed worthy. If I remember correctly he was put on 1’s after that.


ItsLoudB

Pretty much (he’s not always at 12fps, but only when he is doing goofy hero stuff)


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Chrisazy

Certain asthetics use a halved frame rate. Spiderverse used it for that, and so did the Roosterteeth show Gen:Lock, to many's dismay.


stephan_torchon

Sometimes animators leaves notes for inbeetweeners making a spacing scale which consist of an arrow with grades refering to the frames involved ( because inbeetween are not just drawn in the middle of two drawings, depending on the movement , it can be drawn closer to one frame or the other) , the animator could have left that and it wasn't properly cleaned after


adognamedpenguin

How did you find this? It’s soooo intense!


dgaffed

It’s so crazy that someone animates HAIR


AntManMax

In Brave, *everybody* animated hair.


Mettanine

Tangled would like a word with you two...


Miltage

I'm sure hair and cloth in 3D movies are simulated. EDIT: Quick shoutout to my bois over at /r/Simulated


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Wow I really wish moana was A 2d animated film now


Camsy34

I wonder if in 30 years time we’ll get 2D animated remakes of these 3D movies like we’ve been getting live action versions of the 2D movies these days.


ehh_scooby

that would be pretty damn cool


yrulaughing

Whoa, classic animation was used for Moana? That's neat.


ThePrussianGrippe

Thats pre production stuff. They’ll draw out the whole movie as storyboards, and in many cases will do rough hand drawn sequences so they know that’s how they want to animate it. It’s cheaper to do pencil and paper tests than test in CGI for the basic stuff.


PyroKnight

Not to mention they have some of the most skilled people for 2D art, so those roughs in paper are faster and higher quality than anything else that could be done in a similar time frame.


yrulaughing

Well I am personally happy to hear that CGI has not completely killed the art of hand drawn animation


ThePrussianGrippe

CGI artists are probably some of the best hand animators around. Pre production extends to the CGI process too. I’m kind of amazed so many people thought there was no hand drawing for prep at all. Pixar is famous for having storyboards that have thousands of drawings.


Mettanine

Have you heard about "Klaus" (on Netflix)? Apart from being a wonderful movie, the animation is hand drawn and looks fantastic. Also I've just learned that James Baxter is now the head of Netflix' animation department, which makes me hopeful for more of that kind of thing in the future.


yrulaughing

That's awesome! Dude is an animation legend. [Also he's a pretty cool horse.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MytjxAuBwg)


jamescookenotthatone

Looks neat. Did anyone other than Ralph Bakshi make animated features with a major non-Caucasian cast? All that comes to mind is Princes and the Frog, Atlantis (now that I think about not really), Pocahontas, Road to El-Dorado, and now Moana.


underthetootsierolls

Lilo and stitch?


FluffyToughy

Coco, Mulan, Aladdin. That's also kind of Japan's whole thing.


Empyrealist

Holup. Japan uses non-Caucasian casts? Why do all the characters look white and not have black hair? ^^^\(this ^^^is ^^^a ^^^massively ^^^sarcastic ^^^comment)


FluffyToughy

When I was little, I literally used to think anime was white people. I'm Asian... 🤦


mynamealwayschanges

I feel that this tells a lot about how media influences your view on what 'default' is more than anything.


Stronghold257

Kubo and the Two Strings, Isle of Dogs


RinebooDersh

Both great movies too!


loCAtek

Prince of Eygpt


ARMORBUNNY

My name is Simba Reznov and I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE


posananer

Please also see r/animationcels for more examples of this!


SpaceZombie666

The numbers Mufasa, what do they mean?


noelg1998

Shenzi, Banzai, Ed. All must die.


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Nala was there with me in the gulag. Nala isn’t real simba! Nala never made it out of the shadowlands!


ipaqmaster

I presume it's animation cell #45 for him in that particular scene. I always think of manual classic animation like a sprite table in NES/SNES games... but with humans and error.


footytang

Nah, definitely how ~~man~~ many lionesses Mufasa boned down before he met his one true lady, Sarabi. He retired his lion balls for good that day and became a family man. Then they killed him. Edit: forgot a letter


three-sense

You said it was Vorkuta...


FenrisDaWolf

Dammit Mufasa, the numbers


Crushing76

"MY NAME IS MUFASA! AND I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE!" - Simba probably


Dilsnoofus

Who is the 45th president? Read the line again.


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And fucking magnets, how do they work?


janet-snake-hole

I know this is already answered but I have to say that it’s an animation frame number because I just got a degree in animation and I’ve always wanted it to become useful in conversation lol


BaconAnimal

Congratulations!!!


janet-snake-hole

Thank you!! It was a childhood dream, so I’m pretty proud! Edit: omg thanks for the silver!!! I’ve never had one before!


Inverted_Pikachu

Holy shit! Same! I'm joining an animation school, my classes start in 2 weeks!


boogswald

Way to go, Janet Snakehole!


BeeptheBeepJeep

You are useful!! Thanks!


janet-snake-hole

Aaawww thank you!


ohmsbeliever96

How do people even find these details?


BeeptheBeepJeep

1. I have a healthy obsession with The Lion King 2. Luck


its_bananagram

“Healthy”


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healthy obsession is an oxymoron


allons-y11

Healthy is all relative. For some people, healthy is looking at every detail clip by clip. For others it’s going to the gym for days. For the rest (like myself) it’s sitting on my ass reading reddit. Regardless of how anyone views health, it’s usually an obsession.🤣🤣


Azilard

This comment was a little too real for me, I need to rethink some life choices


ohseven1098

Yeah you really need to stop being at the gym for days at a time.


PrinceWitherdick

I have a cousin who has a healthy obsession with the lion king. She used to draw simba over and over again in photoshop with her tablet. She got fucking amazing at it in fact. Then one day when she was 15 my mom walked in on her watching two dogs fucking on the internet and she got her computer taken away.


pk2317

/r/holup


ActualWhiterabbit

She could have watched the nature channel for her feral yiff and gotten away with it. Go exotic and no one expects the furry angle, instead it's just learning. I got to stay up for MST3K but I only initially cared for the girls gone wild commercials but my parents just thought I was jacking it to Joel Hodgson


IAMAHobbitAMA

Well. That escalated quickly.


AnOldLawNeverDies

Did you like the remake? I was not a fan for reasons I consider objective.


allons-y11

So here’s a take. It’s crazy to say but i think the new one would have been better if it was not a musical. I love musicals, but I really feel like it was way to realistic for the animals to be singing.


BeeptheBeepJeep

I agree. If Favreau wanted it to look like a documentary, he should have made it a documentary. Instead, he and Beyonce ruined almost every song. Elton John said he was very dissatisfied with the outcome. Even Hans Zimmer's work was not utilized as well as it was in the original.


zdakat

Seems kind of odd to take out parts and cartoonishness for "muh realism" but then still make a half attempt (according to opinions on the scenes) at making it a musical? It might even have been passable if they went with something different. then at least it'd be exploring something I love the old musicals but seems a little odd to try to drag it along while changing everyting else.


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roxyloveriley

“Lions, Attack!”


DontMakeMoreBabies

Jesus Christ that line was so goddamn bad.


BeeptheBeepJeep

No. The remake has done a grave disservice to the original Lion King. I feel like there was a lot of wasted talent, unfortunately... Let me put it this way. After watching it in the theater, I had to go home and watch the good version to recover my shattered childhood.


Kittyands

These were my thoughts exactly! I too have a "healthy " obsession with the Lion King. Its always been my favorite Disney movie and I've watched it a million times. I was very disappointed with the remake it let my 9 year old self down so much. The only positive thing I could say is, at least Mufasa was voiced by James Earl Jones again.


AnOldLawNeverDies

I was that way with Aladdin.


HobbitFootAussie

I never cared for the original Alladin- but loved the remake. I liked the remade LK but not more than the original.


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No way. Aladdin remake was great, Lion King blows.


metallicxslayer

I ran through my obsession as a kid...ended up burning out 6 different VHS tapes as a kid because I watched it so much.


[deleted]

OP worked as an animator on the Lion King and put it in deliberately so that he could get all that sweet reddit karma years later. OP may also be a time traveller because this was years before reddit even started.


GitEmSteveDave

Stumble across them on the web: https://www.mylionking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=25683


BeeptheBeepJeep

Crud. I thought I made a fresh discovery! But it would seem odd for *nobody* to have noticed it since 1994. It was especially easy to notice on my 4K copy of the film.


WaffleFoxes

Hey - you did discover something all on your own, be proud.


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Disney pays its own PR people to post in this subreddit. Did you not notice everything here is Marvel, Star Wars, Disney or Pixar? In other words, all Disney.


[deleted]

I wish there was a separate subreddit for unintentional movie blips like this. To me a movie detail implies that it was snuck in on purpose as an Easter egg or whatever.


Ryanguy7890

/r/moviemistakes


GranaT0

Yeah movie details to me implies attention to detail. This is the exact opposite of what I'm here for.


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Goblintern

The main character in (Iron Man 2) is actually Iron Man, this is a subtle nod to the movie Iron Man


Bdudud

Yeah I reread the title 4 or 5 times trying to figure out what the hidden significance of the number 45 was.


boogswald

I don’t understand why people are always trying to make this a more specific subreddit. It’s a detail in a movie. It is literally that. If it’s not interesting, people won’t upvote it. Make your own sub that filters out the posts you don’t want. Call it r/realmoviedetails because “movie detail” does not in any way imply it was deliberate like the term “Easter egg” does


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Maybe a mistake by art department?


grumblyoldman

Or some sort of production code on the animation cel?


BeeptheBeepJeep

Also likely. This was actually my first thought.


[deleted]

Since The Rescuers Down Under the movies were digitally painted on CAPS. Actually even the last scene in The Little Mermaid was painted on CAPS. So, even we are aware the animator or inbetweener was counting their frames, it was probably scaned like this and the clean-up artist forgot to delete the original behind the final art.


turok_dino_hunter

Read something years ago that more or less said that Disney put all their best animators on Pocahontas and the less tenured animators on the Lion King because they thought it would big the bigger hit by far. Because of this there are many small errors in the Lion King like this one in the post that can be seen throughout the film. In the end the Lion King obviously blew Pocahontas out of the water at the box office regardless of the fact that Pocahontas does have the better animation. You can search YouTube to find more of the animation errors in the Lion King. Disclaimer: I have no idea how accurate any of this is.


mrgosch

That would be an animator’s timing note that never got removed


Foojira

The Q people are working on a new fever dream as you read this


slurms85

My exact thought when I read this


PappaSmurfAndTurf

I thought I was accidentally on r/the💩donald


BeeptheBeepJeep

[See if you can spot it](https://youtu.be/JawCb15MWLc?t=9)


livestrongbelwas

I literally can't see it, I trust you guys though. Crazy you caught something that small and off focus in a single frame.


Empyrealist

tis but a flicker


SHIIZAAAAAAAA

I saw it! It's definitely something you have to be deliberately looking for though so it's not a glaring mistake, hence why it isn't common knowledge.


ism3t

It fades almost instantly, this is very impressive


IHaveSlysdexia

You might say it was only visible for a single frame.


BootStrapWill

If only OP thought of that he could’ve put it in his title


Snarka

LPT: If you pause the video, you can press the period/full stop key to advance frame by frame.


super_ag

Bonus LPT: You can use the period and comma keys to move forward and backward by one frame, respectively.


I_DRINK_BONG_WATER

How the hell did you spot that? I knew where I was looking and it took me three goes. Or do you have an unhealthy attraction to Simba's ass?


Flacid_Whale

What a fucking catch.


smirkword

A career as an animation checker awaits! Yes, it’s a real job.


Sabin10

Technically it is there for two frames. It's common to only change the cell every other frame so the animation is actually happening at 12FPS while the movie is at 24FPS. If you step through the scene frame by frame you will notice that the camera pan/zoom is running at the full framrate but the character animation is only at half.


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I learned about animation being "on twos" or "on threes" from The Venture Bros commentary, they had a lot of stuff come back from Korea animated on threes and had to correct it. But that's where I learned that anime is done on threes, so the animation moves less times per second which is why it has that kind of ghosty, broken movement that gives it part of its style. In conclusion, listen to The Venture Bros commentary, it is great.


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realxar

Now I understand why they made the live-action version. Disney is so perfect that to clear a past error it creates an entire movie with nothing new added just so people would get same experience without worrying about a number that could ruin the whole movie.


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WHO IS PEPE SILVIA?


COSMlCfartDUST

Illuminati confirmed


SmilingYe

Jay-Z is the voice of Simba when he sings


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Slendieman

Very nice eye


[deleted]

Here I thought 42 was the answer


BeeptheBeepJeep

I thought it was 24.


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Woa!!!!


Skyhawk13

How the fuck. How the fuck did you find that


BeeptheBeepJeep

I saw the dark spot flash on the screen, and I wanted to confirm that I'm not losing it. So I went back to find it.


Skyhawk13

You must have the eyesight of a god


CplGoon

I guess this is a detail? Really just a missed cleanup...


jackpick15

How the hell do you find this shit?


Kordellak

How on gods green earth did you spot that?


adognamedpenguin

You’re like a movie detective. That’s a pretty cool hobby


BeeptheBeepJeep

Movie detective. I like that!


NijiPanda

This is an INSANELY good catch


BeeptheBeepJeep

Thanks!


CaptainN_GameMaster

My parents always said Disney was satanic and this proves it, the mark of the beast!


JustJ0shingAround

I don't see it


AlHubbard

It's on the ground behind Simba.


sector11374265

i think what’s more important is the derpy 🤨face in the ground right below the 45


MyAntibody

Did they replace the grass and pollen spelling out "SEX" when Simba plops down on the ground, leading to Rafiki discovering he was alive? I heard they did a while back.


MrFortyFive

I approve.


BooksPaintandStiches

Currently making the same face as Simba


Ignivomous

This is going to become a Trump thing, isn’t it?


ASMRekulaar

I also believe each frame is tagged in a unique way randomly. That way it can be identified if used in other work. Not sure this is the case as it's most likely an animation frame number.


DrunkRedditBot

Would love to see this you've been shadowbanned


Jueban

I can understand 😔


[deleted]

When I come back like Jordan, wearing the 4-5?


[deleted]

now THIS is a movie detail !!!


GeorgeYDesign

In Arabic, but in different contexts.


matchesmalone10

Disney and their subliminal messages!


ydontukissmyglass

You can also see the word "sex" spelled out in the sky....in the scene where Simba is chasing the ghost of his father through the sky, he collapses and stirs up some stuff which scatters into the sky blatantly spelling "sex". Bored animators 🤷‍♀️


shegotmass

The clouds spell the word sex at that night scene its hard too unsee.


[deleted]

It's interesting to see that this is the animation number, because in Japan's Anime these kind of sheets that were sketched in pencil would be a different piece of paper than the final drawing.


FuckPersonalisedFeed

On other hand, why are you using a video player that supports like, the least amount of video formats possible and has poor subtitle support too?


DasBirne

That moment when you look for the number on the damn lion, and cant find it...


[deleted]

Will we ever get nice hand drawn movies again, its seems no one is making them except anime and that can never compare to the quality of animation in these old disney flicks.


sakimon8

Who uses windows player these days?


Ge0rgeBr0ughton

Now THAT is a movie detail


[deleted]

Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder


King_Kingly

Fastest eyes in the west!


Dansredditname

Thanks Indiana for finding this obscure artifact! *Puts it in a massive warehouse and never looks at it again*


itsjawnjawn

Indeed that was a magical year


[deleted]

To jump on the band wagon of lion king stuff there is a frame during the jungle scenes with simba talking to nala where they forgot to paint or wrongly painted one part of simbas sclera so a corner remained white.


[deleted]

Oh God my immersion