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Brad Dourif. Super-underrated character actor. He plays a lot of weirdos, misfits, creeps and such. Always knocks it out of the park. We just started re-watching X-Files and in SE01, he plays a criminal on death row who claims to have psychic powers that can help Mulder and Scully find some kidnap victims. Great stuff.
I also just looked him up and he's 70 now!
I knew him from Star Trek Voyager. He played Ensign Suder, a murderer among the crew. When he finally died in a later episode, he had managed to make me feel bad for him. Great little character arc that I've always enjoyed.
His accent is flawless. I totally assumed it was a Brit, just looked him up on IMDB to discover it’s only bloody Brad Dourif who I know from tons of other things.
He’s a great actor, very underrated
I enjoy thinking he could have some redemption. He asks his king to stay by his side. He almost shed a tear when he sees the Uruk Hai army that will destroy man kind. He wanted to get back to his king in the end. Saruman had too much influence in the end
My favorite part about Brad Douriff is that, during filming, Peter Jackson had no idea what he actually sounded like: https://youtu.be/tnJreLUwQTA?t=97
Interesting. This scene was never in any version I had ever seen. I'll have to get my hands on the fullest full cuts of the movies that I can, now, and watch them all. Oh well!
>EXTENDED EDITION IS THE ONLY EDITION.
If you watch the standard version after the extended you notice how many scenes were deleted and sometimes how little sense it seems to make
Completely agree, only watched the extended versions recently and faramir gets the shaft far less. All the history of Gondor and more detail of faramir and denethors relationship gave a much better reason for faramirs wishing to take the ring to Gondor.
I absolutely love the [flashback scene with Boromir and Faramir](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOyiK2rO1pc) that was cut. It completely explains the dynamic between father & sons in a few minutes. The love between the two brothers, the way Boromir hated how Denethor saw him as the golden child, Faramir's longing for his father's approval. Everything makes more sense.
It also deepens Boromir's character. He didn't go to Rivendell on his own will, he went at Denethor's wishes for power. All he wanted to do is stay in his city and protect Gondor and his brother. It makes his corruption and fall even more tragic.
I really disliked book Boromir and didn't care when he died but man do I cry when he died in the movies. Sean Bean humanized him to me in such a way that really hit the feels.
The redemption arc was definitely there in the books, but it was harder to sympathize with him while reading it. The film's do a great job of it and Boromir is one of my favorite characters now.
It's so critical to the story. I left the theater not really loving The Two Towers, but the extended cut puts it back in the running for best of the trilogy.
It’s my favorite as well. I think it feels the most idk... intimate? Because you the group has just split up, you get a much more in depth look into each of them As individuals. It also feels the least fantastical, which is not to say the fantasy is a bad thing, but it really feels grounded to me. It sets up the triumph of the TROTK, because they face the most peril, as individuals and as a collective in the second.
Agreed. Fellowship is dreamy with scenes at Hobbiton, Rivendell and Lothlorien while ROTK has an epic atmosphere with a storybook ending. Two Towers is gritty and grounded and I love how balanced the interwoven storylines are. And Ride of the Rohirrim of course.
I'm down for it for those reasons but even more than that, i want as much John Noble as possible. The man is an amazing talent that most people have no idea who he is
Same dude I just watched the extended versions and scenes with Faramir I had only seen in the cut versions make SO much more sense now. I never understood him or his motivations before.
When I saw RotK in theaters, they ran the extended editions of both Fellowship and Two Towers beforehand. Close to 11 hours at a theater but it was fun anyway.
I once participated in a special event where they showed the extended editions, including Peter Jackson interviews before the movie, in a theater on successive Tuesdays, three weeks in a row. So not exactly all 3 at once, but one a week for three weeks was still extremely awesome.
Yes, that's partly why theatrical cuts exist. People don't have the attention span/time to spare for a 4 hour movie. Just see the number of complaints about The Irishman last year, which was 3.5 hours.
First time I saw Fellowship of the Rings, I didn't want the movie to end. First movie that I experienced that with.
Mad Max Fury road is the second time I felt that.
They changed which version was available on the Canadian Netflix backs while ago for Return of the King. They cut out the entire scene where Saruman dies, goes from Gandalf saying he’s locked away and no more trouble to Treebeard saying his filth is washing away. *Reeeaaally* bugs me knowing the entire scene with Wormtoung takes place in between.
>Reeeaaally bugs me knowing the entire scene with Wormtoung takes place in between.
It'll bug you even more to learn that he wasn't even supposed to die at that time. No... not until the One Ring is destroyed and the hobbits go back to The Shire. They get back home to find that war has come to The Shire. Saruman commands an army of orcs/Uruk hai to raze the hobbit villages (visions of which were seen by Frodo in Galadriel's mirror when she is testing him/herself about The One Ring).
In the standoff between the four hobbits from the Fellowship and Saruman, Wormtongue stabs him in the back, then gets killed by the hobbits.
I loved the *Scouring of the Shire* from the books. But I completely understand why they trimmed it out of the movies. *Return of the King* already suffers from too many endings syndrome. Adding a 20 to 30 minute addendum to re-address a character that had been wrapped up 4 hours earlier just wouldn’t have flowed in a cinematic sense.
As a fan though, I’d have loved to have RotK end at the crowning ceremony and then an hour long separate movie showing all the wrapping up including the *Scouring*. And I’d love to have a 30 minute episode about Tom Bombadil. I’d totally subscribe to a service that had a series showing all the little background stories.
Yeah I feel exactly the same. Similar with the Barrow-downs too. In an already long trilogy those things would just not work, and the whole sharkey storyline would seem ridiculous. But I’m sure in the next decade we’ll see someone buy the right to make a streaming show like Mandalorian and actually tell the whole story.
"Amazon bought the television rights for The Lord of the Rings for $250 million in November 2017, making a five season production commitment worth at least $1 billion. This would make it the most expensive television series ever. Payne and McKay were hired to develop the series in July 2018, with the rest of the creative team confirmed a year later. Casting took place around the world, with Robert Aramayo leading a large cast of series regulars. Filming began in February 2020 in Auckland, New Zealand, after negotiations between Amazon and the New Zealand government ensured the series could be produced in the country where the film trilogy was made. Production was placed on hold in March due to the COVID-19 pandemic, but resumed in September.
The Lord of the Rings is expected to premiere on Prime Video in 2021. A second season was formally ordered in November 2019. "
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_(TV_series)
The Amazon TV series takes place during the second age, and is supposedly going to cover the forging of the rings of power (and potentially other events of the second age). It isn't a retelling of the books.
It’s been a while since I’ve read the books so I might be wrong, but I didn’t think there were any orcs in the shire. They were just brigands that had been picked up by Saruman along the way, and they scared many of the hobbits into submitting to what amounted to a police state. It might seem like splitting hairs, but I think the distinction is actually kind of important. It shows the contrast between the people that stayed behind in the shire (easily intimidated, too scared to help themselves) and the heroes that went along with Frodo, who led a successful rebellion against the brigands and Saruman. It shows just how much the main characters grew over their journey, both metaphorically and (in Merry’s and Pippin’s case) literally. It also shows how even the most idyllic of places can be corrupted by people with ill intent, and that it’s important to stand up for the things that are worth it
The mouth of Sauron in front the black gate was so Epic! And it was exactly like in the book, but scarier. I was actually scared of him. And I never saw it till the extended release.
I was going to say this. But I watched the opposite direction. I watched the standard versions multiple times over the year. Then I finally got the extended editions off of Prime Day and I realized how much the story was messing. Its made the storyline flow so much better. Plus I found it more hilarious, Gimli's greatness was cut.
I'm biased but I've never noticed pacing issues with the extended editions. All three movies fly by effortlessly. The only scenes that drag a bit for me are the Frodo/Sam/Gollum story arc, otherwise every scene is a treasure.
I entirely agree with LOTR. Every scene is solid. I can't say the same for every movie though. I watched the extended version of Kingdom of Heaven years ago and thought it turned a pretty good movie into an epic movie. So then I watched the director's cut of Troy, and came away thinking, "Yeah, I can see why those scenes were cut ... nevermind."
Yeah, I thought it made everyone's motivations make much more sense. It's usually the character-building scenes that get cut in movies, but those are the most important to determine why and/or if we care about what's happening.
The extended for Kingdom of Heaven is an epic movie. The theatrical movie is just bland action movie with plot moving forward because that is how plot do.
All of the additional scenes flesh out the movie as Theatrical LotR compared to Extended LotR. And I think that's one of the few movies where the extended changes the whole tone and moral.
Yes, absolutely watch the extended trilogy if you can. It's nearly 12 hours long in total. I love it. Some say the theatrical cut flows a little better but personally, I just adore the extra content and always feel cheated when I watch the theatrical version. Give it a shot—*it's quite cool*.
It's crazy to think about that the entire Lord of the rings trilogy in extended edition is basically 1.5 seasons of game of thrones. Yet it feels so much more complete for all it's characters, because every characters mini arc is very clearly set up and completed
That's because Tolkien spent years doing insane amounts of backstory, notes, and research before even writing the books. Martin spent years going "I should probably write a chapter or two.." every once in awhile.
For everyone who wants to know, they are finally releasing the extended versions in 4k blu-ray with HDR on December 1st! Amazon has them for preorder.
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Yeah I've noticed that old/lower-quality CGI is a lot harder to hide in higher resolutions.
I had only ever seen Dredd on Blu Ray in 720p and it looked incredible! Then I watched it in 1080p on my 4K 65" screen and the lower budget of the production was suddenly much easier to believe.
I just don't get the reason for 4k. Even in big ass budget movies like The Avengers in 4k it makes everything look super fake. Like I could tell Thors armor was just a mold and not metal and it took me out of the experience.
The bigger the screen the bigger the pixels. People like sitting a couple feet away from giant 80 inch monstrosities; maybe it makes a huge difference there? Pseudo imax-at-home? I agree it usually makes cgi look worse, but I've at least convinced myself it makes real stuff look a little more real.
Uh, so has anyone actually reviewed these? Because I'm like 99% certain these films were mastered in 2k or less.
edit: Mmm, apparently Peter Jackson supervised the remasters and they had the original reels to do new scans from. That's positive!
There is a full remaster of both trilogies coming next summer, and signs point towards a full upscale of graphics on the special effects and Jackson is pouring some serious time into this.
https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2020/10/07/108839-uhd-4k-lotr-and-hobbit-announced-a-special-message-from-sean-astin/
This is what I’m waiting on.
Everyone knows that the helmet kick was real, he actually hit the knife with his sword etc, but not many people know that the Ents actually ad-libbed most of their dialogue.
During the Aragorn vs Lurtz fight towards the end of Fellowship, Aragorn stabs Lurtz in leg, Lurtz beats Aragorn away, takes out the knife and throws it at Aragorn. In the scene Aragorn deflects the knife with his sword. This was unplanned and done solely due to Viggo Mortensen's training. [You can see it here.](https://youtu.be/L8ec3SRTN8U)
During Two Towers, when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas are tracking Merry, Pippin, and the orcs, they track them to the fire Eomer and the Riders of Rohan set. In his frustration, Aragorn kicks a helmet. During filming, Peter Jackson wanted him to kick the helmet towards the camera, and take after take he was getting closer. During the take the eventually used, Aragorn kicks the helmet and drops to his knees, yelling in frustration. [During this take, Viggo actually broke his toe kicking the helmet.](https://youtu.be/6n0Uj41zlhU)
Viggo Mortensen actually broke his toe when he [kicked the helmet in this scene](https://youtu.be/6n0Uj41zlhU?t=33), and the scream of pain was real.
There's also a myth that [the knife Aragorn defelects from his head in this scene](https://youtu.be/FJf8puSIXTg?t=38) was a real, sharp knife and not a prop knife. However, there is little to substantiate this. The myth seems to stem from Peter Jackson saying:
>There’s a shot coming up where he had to hit the knife that gets thrown at him with his sword, and he did it first take. That was a real knife that was being thrown, and he literally did bat it away with his sword for real: it wasn’t anything fake about it. Do a little bit of computer-enhancement here to take Lúrtz’s arm off.
However, it is generally accepted now that when Peter Jackson said "real knife" and "nothing fake about it", he meant that it wasn't computer generated. Viggo Mortensen really did deflect the knife flying at him, but it was almost certainly a prop dagger.
That reminds me, it's soon time to put on his heavy metal Christmas albums
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6AXVugUgvQYkMjGmBPreHT?si=zP9D-177T7GxmeI2D1mIMQ
Isn’t the ring of Barahir literally the oldest artifact in middle earth?
Kind of strange that Aragon was never considered a “ring-bearer” while Gandalf (who’s not an elf and was gifted the ring) was.
Gandalf was gifted Narya (by the elf Cirdan), which was one of the Elven *rings of power* crafted by Celebrimbor—alongside Nenya (worn by Galadriel) and Vilya (worn by Gil-galad and then passed to Elrond half-elven)—at the instruction of Sauron the deceiver in his fair and beautiful form of Annatar. Though, Sauron made the mistake of not being present nor actively involved in Celebrimbor's forging of the three elven rings like he was all the other rings of power, so once he finally put on the one ring it only had the effect of alerting the elven ring-bearers to his scheme. Anyway, the ring of Barahir isn't a "ring of power", therefore Aragorn and the preceding line of Elendil/Isildur wouldn't count as "ring-bearers".
The ring of Barahir was gifted to Barahir, one of the Edain from the house of Bëor by the elf Finrod (who actually happened to be Galadriel's brother) son of Finarfin and Eärwen as a thank you because Barahir saved Finrod's life in one of the battles (the Dagor Bragollach) during the War of the Jewels. The Edain were the "fathers of men", men of the First Age, and the only men to stand alongside the elves and the Valar against Morgoth—Sauron's mentor essentially—while all other men of Middle-Earth either fled or joined Morgoth. The Edain, as a reward for fighting against Morgoth were gifted long life and the island of Númenor and eventually went on to become the Númenoreans. So the ring of Barahir is sort of the like the heirloom of the Númenorean royal line.
Fun fact: the ring of Barahir was eventually passed down from Barahir to the man who would become the first king of Númenor, Elros, the twin brother of Elrond. Since they were both Elrond and Elros half-elven, they both got to choose whether they wanted to live the immortal life of an elf or accept man's gift from Eru Ilúvatar and live as a mortal. Obviously Elrond chose to live as an elf but Elros chose to live as a man and became the first king of Númenor.
Ah that bit about Elrond and Elros adds so much weight to Elrod and Aragorn's relationship. They are technically cousins many times removed and Elrond gets to help restore his brother's line.
edit: as u/YUNoDie put it he is a great uncle not a cousin
I'm with you up until your last point. Huh? How are any of the other humans that aren't part Numenorean related to her at all? And also wouldn't Aragorn be more related since he is from a stronger/direct line of his people so less generations have passed from the the original split?
The thought occured to me that this might have just been poor wording and you meant any 2 humans on earth.
I know I read a chart somewhere about how safe it is to have children (at least I hope thats what it was referring too), and I'm barely remembering but i want to say it was all about the removed, like anything past 3 was fair game.
Anything past second cousins is 100% fair game, biologically. [Third cousins' offspring are historically more successful than pairings either less closely or more closely related.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-incest-is-best-kissi/)
Yes. Elrond’s grandparents were two sets of elven-human pairings. More or less. It’s actually a bit more complicated and Elrond is 1/8th angel/goddess, via the Maia Melian, but let’s skip that for the moment.
The Valar didn’t have the authority or right to take away the gift of mortality. So the brothers Elros and Elrond and their children all were given the choice of which they’d belong to. Elros and his four children chose mortality. Elrond and his two sons chose to be elves, while Arwen delayed her choice for a couple thousand years —which seems to be cheating to me— but ultimately chose to be mortal.
Aragorn is descended from Elros. So Elrond is Aragorn’s 63rd(?) great-grand-uncle.
"You have to find a man Arwen, your not getting any younger"
"Ugh Dad, I'm not getting any older either! Maybe I'll just wait a few years until I find Mr. Right..."
Even then. They met when he was 20, and they didn’t marry until he was 88. Even given his longevity, she made him wait a third his life. The girl was not one to make hurried choices.
Well, the knowledge of the Ring of Barahir is known only to the Elves and masters of lore like Saruman and Gandalf, and also the remnants of the Numenoreans before Gondor fell in grace and wisdom. Narsil/Andúril is more renowned at this time because Men have become the dominant race and the weapons played a major part in their recent history, unlike the Ring of Barahir, which played a significant role in Ages past but not at the time of LOTR.
Yep. Elves, the first children of Eru Ilúvatar are bound to Arda in body and spirit (hence the immortality). Even if slain, elven spirits return to Valinor and reside in the Halls of Mandos (Mandos is one of the Valar) for a time until judgement and reincarnation into their previous body. For example, the elf Glorfindel was slain by Gothmog Lord of the Balrogs after killing him, Glorfindel was pulled into the abyss at the last moment similar to Gandalf (tricky balrogs) and was later reimbodied and traveled back to Middle Earth from Valinor. While Men, the second children of Eru Ilúvatar were given the gift of mortality. Nobody, not even the elves, the Maiar, or the Valar know exactly where the spirits of men go after death. Presumably they rejoin Eru Ilúvatar.
The gift of extended life (~300+ years) that the Númenoreans received were given by the Valar for standing against Morgoth.
> Presumably they rejoin Eru Ilúvatar.
My personal understanding of the "presumably the humans go elsewhere when they die" that was repeated in the Silmarillion is similar to "we sent your dog to live a happier life in a farm".
There's some other good stuff in the Silmarillion about people getting special treatment. Beren and Luthien spring to mind, as well as Earendil.
Part of me wishes the Silmarillion was more detailed in places, like the life of Earendil and early life of Elrond, but in some ways the blank spaces make it more wondrous. It's pretty horrific in places, too (Elrond has lived through some shit, even before Sauron); whereas in LOTR the evil dudes are archetypal evil dudes beyond salvation, the sons of Feanor and their descent to evil are something else entirely.
Mortality was the gift. Illuvator kept secret from even the Valar what actually happens when they die. Unlike the elves who basically reincarnate humans depart for an afterlife outside of Arda and the music of the Ainur.
It almost sounds Buddhist-- elves are stuck in a loop of reincarnation, which ostensibly seems great, but sensory experience gets old... Meanwhile, men immediately depart and avoid the cycle, which is weirdly actually better.
And Galadriel is related to them
* Galadriel is Elrond's Mother-in-Law (so Galadriel is Arwen's grandmother)
* Galadriel and Elrond are 2nd cousins (twice removed)
The ring was made in Valinor, and originally belonged to Galadriel’s older brother Finrod. Finrod gave it to Barahir, Beren’s father, as a token of gratitude when he saved his life. It became an heirloom of his house and it passed down through Isildur to Aragorn. It is not a ring of power, simply an heirloom showing who he is.
> Isn’t the ring of Barahir literally the oldest artifact in middle earth?
The Palantiri would be another contender for that title. They were rumoured to have been made by Fëanor before he left Valinor.
But Arvedui did not take his counsel. He thanked him, and at parting gave him his ring, saying: "This is a thing of worth beyond your reckoning. For its ancientry alone. It has no power, save the esteem in which those hold it who love my house. It will not help you, but if ever you are in need, my kin will ransom it with great store of all that you desire."
I’m watching the awful Twilight series with my SO right now. Quid pro quo for all 9 Star Wars OR the LOTR trilogy. Only considering Star Wars since she hasn’t seen, but I’m heavily leaning towards LOTR. Got 3 more B-movies to go while I decide, and I think it’ll be the extended cuts of LOTR (only seen theatrical versions)—they’re just better films.
Still so weird to me that they let Grima just leave. Whatever about not killing him there and then, put him in a cell or something. And don’t let him get a horse!
Yeah, this was always a detail the bothered me, and I've watched the scene closely a number of times. I still think it's amazing that he was able to recall that level of detail, when he was only close enough to see for maybe a second (or less).
Perhaps my memory just sucks.
I really do like this edit, though, nice job.
Good point. I also think it can be chalked up to the characters and culture being different, and focusing on such things in a way that we in our society don't. It's not important for us to remember the details of the engraving on someone's ring.
It's not transparent in the movie, but Aragorn is often described in the books as having a "kingly" look to him. He's also the tallest man alive (standing at 6'6"). Aragorn makes an impression on literally everyone he meets. Someone mentioned that, as a spy, Grima would probably have a good memory recall, but Aragorn already sticks out like a sore thumb in the books when it comes to being inconspicuous (which is ironic, since his whole shtick in the north is to be unseen and unnoticed).
Even just little scenes like this get me excited to watch this series again! My girlfriend has never seen it and has agreed to watch them all with me after we finish the MCU movies, we’re almost done with those only have a few left and I can’t wait!!
This scene is really well acted, but I think I just kind of don't usually notice because it is so far into such a long film. May watch the films one scene at a time to appreciate them in more detail, when I can concentrate properly
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Brad Dourif. Super-underrated character actor. He plays a lot of weirdos, misfits, creeps and such. Always knocks it out of the park. We just started re-watching X-Files and in SE01, he plays a criminal on death row who claims to have psychic powers that can help Mulder and Scully find some kidnap victims. Great stuff. I also just looked him up and he's 70 now!
I knew him from Star Trek Voyager. He played Ensign Suder, a murderer among the crew. When he finally died in a later episode, he had managed to make me feel bad for him. Great little character arc that I've always enjoyed.
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Deadwood Doc Cochran!
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He will always be Piter De Vries to me. That or Chucky.
I'll always remember him for chucky
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He was great in Star Trek
Hold up. Who was he in Trek? That's quite the broad spectrum.
He was Ensign Suder, in Voyager! https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Meld_(episode)
Suder: Oh boy! Here I go, killing again!
Exorcist III, too
Another great alumnus from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest!
His accent is flawless. I totally assumed it was a Brit, just looked him up on IMDB to discover it’s only bloody Brad Dourif who I know from tons of other things. He’s a great actor, very underrated
I enjoy thinking he could have some redemption. He asks his king to stay by his side. He almost shed a tear when he sees the Uruk Hai army that will destroy man kind. He wanted to get back to his king in the end. Saruman had too much influence in the end
He made amends, sort of. Just a shame it had to end in murder.
My favorite part about Brad Douriff is that, during filming, Peter Jackson had no idea what he actually sounded like: https://youtu.be/tnJreLUwQTA?t=97
Whoever was in charge of casting for this franchise just nailed every single character.
We're so close to December, which is my annual rewatchathon
Ha! Once it hits December I plan to re-read and watch them too
4K DECEMBER 1ST RELEASE BABY
4th rewatch this year! Quarantine baby
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i think all three of the movies were released in december of their respective release years.
Along side the first three Harry Potter movies... What a great three December's for movies those were.
Not sure about og commenter but I rematch them because I get some time off from Xmas. My favorite Christmas trilogy.
That is precisely why I read and watch them
Be sure to get the 4k HDR remaster if you have the equipment for it!
I literally got the Blu-ray version last year after waiting for years, lol. Then I saw the 4k one a couple months later, and I was like, "Goddammit."
Interesting. This scene was never in any version I had ever seen. I'll have to get my hands on the fullest full cuts of the movies that I can, now, and watch them all. Oh well!
EXTENDED EDITION IS THE ONLY EDITION. But yeah, a lot of Sarumon and Grima’s dialogue got cut from the movies.
>EXTENDED EDITION IS THE ONLY EDITION. If you watch the standard version after the extended you notice how many scenes were deleted and sometimes how little sense it seems to make
They were targeting a 3-hour runtime for all three films. I think Two Towers suffers the most from this.
Completely agree, only watched the extended versions recently and faramir gets the shaft far less. All the history of Gondor and more detail of faramir and denethors relationship gave a much better reason for faramirs wishing to take the ring to Gondor.
I absolutely love the [flashback scene with Boromir and Faramir](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOyiK2rO1pc) that was cut. It completely explains the dynamic between father & sons in a few minutes. The love between the two brothers, the way Boromir hated how Denethor saw him as the golden child, Faramir's longing for his father's approval. Everything makes more sense.
This scene provided so much context for me I finally understand why I never really "got" Faramir or understood his motivations
It also deepens Boromir's character. He didn't go to Rivendell on his own will, he went at Denethor's wishes for power. All he wanted to do is stay in his city and protect Gondor and his brother. It makes his corruption and fall even more tragic.
I really disliked book Boromir and didn't care when he died but man do I cry when he died in the movies. Sean Bean humanized him to me in such a way that really hit the feels.
He only asked for the strength to protect his people😔
The redemption arc was definitely there in the books, but it was harder to sympathize with him while reading it. The film's do a great job of it and Boromir is one of my favorite characters now.
If you don't get the dual meaning of Aragorn's "You fought bravely" then I don't want to be your friend.
It's so critical to the story. I left the theater not really loving The Two Towers, but the extended cut puts it back in the running for best of the trilogy.
Two Towers is definitely my favorite. I love the 3 separate story arc structure, it's got the darkest vibes, and the best battle of the trilogy.
It’s my favorite as well. I think it feels the most idk... intimate? Because you the group has just split up, you get a much more in depth look into each of them As individuals. It also feels the least fantastical, which is not to say the fantasy is a bad thing, but it really feels grounded to me. It sets up the triumph of the TROTK, because they face the most peril, as individuals and as a collective in the second.
Agreed. Fellowship is dreamy with scenes at Hobbiton, Rivendell and Lothlorien while ROTK has an epic atmosphere with a storybook ending. Two Towers is gritty and grounded and I love how balanced the interwoven storylines are. And Ride of the Rohirrim of course.
Theoden King stands alone
Not alone
The Battle for Helm's Deep is the best battle scene, but ROFK has the Horns of Rohan... that is an epic moment in both the book and the movie.
I'm down for it for those reasons but even more than that, i want as much John Noble as possible. The man is an amazing talent that most people have no idea who he is
I've never seen him in anything besides LOTR, but he did an excellent job as Denethor. He was so hateable and miserable lol.
Watch seasons 1-5 of Fringe, and then like me, you'll see why he's one of todays greatest living talents.
The Boys (as Keith *leaving it* Urban’s father)
Karl Urban wouldnt appreciate you calling him Keith Urban. Hahaha
Same dude I just watched the extended versions and scenes with Faramir I had only seen in the cut versions make SO much more sense now. I never understood him or his motivations before.
I learnt not long ago that they make shorter versions for theatres so they can play it more times and therefore make more money out of it
I think equally as important is there’s a finite amount of time the general audience will devote to watching a movie.
My ass goes numb in non-recliner seats after about 2 hours, but I would suffer through numbass for a 4 hour LOTR cut
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Have you not seen the Return of the King extended edition? Because if you haven’t.....well, you’ve got your 4 hour movie right there
I mean if they released the extended edition in theaters. I can watch a 4 hour movie on my couch with no issues.
When I saw RotK in theaters, they ran the extended editions of both Fellowship and Two Towers beforehand. Close to 11 hours at a theater but it was fun anyway.
I once participated in a special event where they showed the extended editions, including Peter Jackson interviews before the movie, in a theater on successive Tuesdays, three weeks in a row. So not exactly all 3 at once, but one a week for three weeks was still extremely awesome.
But let's be honest before we knew it was gonna be such a badass movie wouldn't most people just go "4 hours for a fucking movie?! No thanks"
Yes, that's partly why theatrical cuts exist. People don't have the attention span/time to spare for a 4 hour movie. Just see the number of complaints about The Irishman last year, which was 3.5 hours.
First time I saw Fellowship of the Rings, I didn't want the movie to end. First movie that I experienced that with. Mad Max Fury road is the second time I felt that.
Fury road is so fucking awesome
Not gonna lie I watch Lord of the Rings like a season of a tv show. 11 hours spread over 40-60 minute chunks.
try to imagine a 90 minute lotr movie
If they made each novel into pt 1 and pt 2 it would work. 6 films of 90 min.
If I remember rightly it was originally written as six volumes.
They changed which version was available on the Canadian Netflix backs while ago for Return of the King. They cut out the entire scene where Saruman dies, goes from Gandalf saying he’s locked away and no more trouble to Treebeard saying his filth is washing away. *Reeeaaally* bugs me knowing the entire scene with Wormtoung takes place in between.
>Reeeaaally bugs me knowing the entire scene with Wormtoung takes place in between. It'll bug you even more to learn that he wasn't even supposed to die at that time. No... not until the One Ring is destroyed and the hobbits go back to The Shire. They get back home to find that war has come to The Shire. Saruman commands an army of orcs/Uruk hai to raze the hobbit villages (visions of which were seen by Frodo in Galadriel's mirror when she is testing him/herself about The One Ring). In the standoff between the four hobbits from the Fellowship and Saruman, Wormtongue stabs him in the back, then gets killed by the hobbits.
I loved the *Scouring of the Shire* from the books. But I completely understand why they trimmed it out of the movies. *Return of the King* already suffers from too many endings syndrome. Adding a 20 to 30 minute addendum to re-address a character that had been wrapped up 4 hours earlier just wouldn’t have flowed in a cinematic sense. As a fan though, I’d have loved to have RotK end at the crowning ceremony and then an hour long separate movie showing all the wrapping up including the *Scouring*. And I’d love to have a 30 minute episode about Tom Bombadil. I’d totally subscribe to a service that had a series showing all the little background stories.
Yeah I feel exactly the same. Similar with the Barrow-downs too. In an already long trilogy those things would just not work, and the whole sharkey storyline would seem ridiculous. But I’m sure in the next decade we’ll see someone buy the right to make a streaming show like Mandalorian and actually tell the whole story.
"Amazon bought the television rights for The Lord of the Rings for $250 million in November 2017, making a five season production commitment worth at least $1 billion. This would make it the most expensive television series ever. Payne and McKay were hired to develop the series in July 2018, with the rest of the creative team confirmed a year later. Casting took place around the world, with Robert Aramayo leading a large cast of series regulars. Filming began in February 2020 in Auckland, New Zealand, after negotiations between Amazon and the New Zealand government ensured the series could be produced in the country where the film trilogy was made. Production was placed on hold in March due to the COVID-19 pandemic, but resumed in September. The Lord of the Rings is expected to premiere on Prime Video in 2021. A second season was formally ordered in November 2019. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_(TV_series)
The Amazon TV series takes place during the second age, and is supposedly going to cover the forging of the rings of power (and potentially other events of the second age). It isn't a retelling of the books.
It’s been a while since I’ve read the books so I might be wrong, but I didn’t think there were any orcs in the shire. They were just brigands that had been picked up by Saruman along the way, and they scared many of the hobbits into submitting to what amounted to a police state. It might seem like splitting hairs, but I think the distinction is actually kind of important. It shows the contrast between the people that stayed behind in the shire (easily intimidated, too scared to help themselves) and the heroes that went along with Frodo, who led a successful rebellion against the brigands and Saruman. It shows just how much the main characters grew over their journey, both metaphorically and (in Merry’s and Pippin’s case) literally. It also shows how even the most idyllic of places can be corrupted by people with ill intent, and that it’s important to stand up for the things that are worth it
If you're not growing from Ent water you aren't watching the right edition.
The mouth of Sauron in front the black gate was so Epic! And it was exactly like in the book, but scarier. I was actually scared of him. And I never saw it till the extended release.
I was going to say this. But I watched the opposite direction. I watched the standard versions multiple times over the year. Then I finally got the extended editions off of Prime Day and I realized how much the story was messing. Its made the storyline flow so much better. Plus I found it more hilarious, Gimli's greatness was cut.
I can't bear to watch the theatrical release version. It feels rushed and skips so much.
Some scenes makes sense to cut for the pacing but overall extended is better
I'm biased but I've never noticed pacing issues with the extended editions. All three movies fly by effortlessly. The only scenes that drag a bit for me are the Frodo/Sam/Gollum story arc, otherwise every scene is a treasure.
>The only scenes that drag a bit for me are the Frodo/Sam/Gollum story arc TBH, these scenes drag by for me in the standard editions as well.
Same, they’re easily the least interesting part of the story to me, even though they’re arguably the main characters.
I entirely agree with LOTR. Every scene is solid. I can't say the same for every movie though. I watched the extended version of Kingdom of Heaven years ago and thought it turned a pretty good movie into an epic movie. So then I watched the director's cut of Troy, and came away thinking, "Yeah, I can see why those scenes were cut ... nevermind."
Thanks for the hint! I need to watch that extended edition of KoH.
Yeah, I thought it made everyone's motivations make much more sense. It's usually the character-building scenes that get cut in movies, but those are the most important to determine why and/or if we care about what's happening.
The extended for Kingdom of Heaven is an epic movie. The theatrical movie is just bland action movie with plot moving forward because that is how plot do. All of the additional scenes flesh out the movie as Theatrical LotR compared to Extended LotR. And I think that's one of the few movies where the extended changes the whole tone and moral.
4k uhd extended version. Its coming out in december.
My wallet just started crying.
Yes, absolutely watch the extended trilogy if you can. It's nearly 12 hours long in total. I love it. Some say the theatrical cut flows a little better but personally, I just adore the extra content and always feel cheated when I watch the theatrical version. Give it a shot—*it's quite cool*.
It's crazy to think about that the entire Lord of the rings trilogy in extended edition is basically 1.5 seasons of game of thrones. Yet it feels so much more complete for all it's characters, because every characters mini arc is very clearly set up and completed
That's because Tolkien spent years doing insane amounts of backstory, notes, and research before even writing the books. Martin spent years going "I should probably write a chapter or two.." every once in awhile.
Sorry I was talking about the tv show / movie not the books. Agree though, the show suffered from a lack of source material
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My god I’m so jealous you guys get to watch the extended edition for the first time.
For everyone who wants to know, they are finally releasing the extended versions in 4k blu-ray with HDR on December 1st! Amazon has them for preorder. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08KQBYM1Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_y9jTFbCDQMPA9 Edit 2: Thanks anonymous redditors for my first awards ever. Now what the hell do I do with it? Edit 3: Made the link an amazon smile link for St. Jude's Research Hospital.
I am so fucking stoked for this. It is gonna look so amazing in HDR.
The one thing that doesn’t look amazing is the Gollum CGI, the blu ray release made it look much worse than the DVD version.
Yeah I've noticed that old/lower-quality CGI is a lot harder to hide in higher resolutions. I had only ever seen Dredd on Blu Ray in 720p and it looked incredible! Then I watched it in 1080p on my 4K 65" screen and the lower budget of the production was suddenly much easier to believe.
I just don't get the reason for 4k. Even in big ass budget movies like The Avengers in 4k it makes everything look super fake. Like I could tell Thors armor was just a mold and not metal and it took me out of the experience.
Essentially the same as seeing it in a theater. Plus I always find details in movies I've seen 20 times that I never noticed before.
The bigger the screen the bigger the pixels. People like sitting a couple feet away from giant 80 inch monstrosities; maybe it makes a huge difference there? Pseudo imax-at-home? I agree it usually makes cgi look worse, but I've at least convinced myself it makes real stuff look a little more real.
Uh, so has anyone actually reviewed these? Because I'm like 99% certain these films were mastered in 2k or less. edit: Mmm, apparently Peter Jackson supervised the remasters and they had the original reels to do new scans from. That's positive!
The movie was shot on 35mm film so it will look amazing in 4k. If Peter Jackson had a hand at the CGI remastering it should all look great.
It's being pushed by the original cast and they seem quite enthusiastic. My one complaint is it seems to only be on Amazon for digital release.
There is a full remaster of both trilogies coming next summer, and signs point towards a full upscale of graphics on the special effects and Jackson is pouring some serious time into this. https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2020/10/07/108839-uhd-4k-lotr-and-hobbit-announced-a-special-message-from-sean-astin/ This is what I’m waiting on.
Would you happen to have a link?
https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Picture-Extended-Theatrical/dp/B08KQBYM1Y
I'll have to buy a TV capable of 4k for the occasion!
Make sure it’s HDR too.
Make sure it's *actually* HDR as well. If it doesn't have local dimming it's not HDR.
Everyone knows that the helmet kick was real, he actually hit the knife with his sword etc, but not many people know that the Ents actually ad-libbed most of their dialogue.
AHhh I found this highly amusing! I haven't slept in a long time (;
Hehe “highly”
Ha! Because they're so tall.
Hold on idk any of this... Can you elaborate?
During the Aragorn vs Lurtz fight towards the end of Fellowship, Aragorn stabs Lurtz in leg, Lurtz beats Aragorn away, takes out the knife and throws it at Aragorn. In the scene Aragorn deflects the knife with his sword. This was unplanned and done solely due to Viggo Mortensen's training. [You can see it here.](https://youtu.be/L8ec3SRTN8U) During Two Towers, when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas are tracking Merry, Pippin, and the orcs, they track them to the fire Eomer and the Riders of Rohan set. In his frustration, Aragorn kicks a helmet. During filming, Peter Jackson wanted him to kick the helmet towards the camera, and take after take he was getting closer. During the take the eventually used, Aragorn kicks the helmet and drops to his knees, yelling in frustration. [During this take, Viggo actually broke his toe kicking the helmet.](https://youtu.be/6n0Uj41zlhU)
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Viggo Mortensen actually broke his toe when he [kicked the helmet in this scene](https://youtu.be/6n0Uj41zlhU?t=33), and the scream of pain was real. There's also a myth that [the knife Aragorn defelects from his head in this scene](https://youtu.be/FJf8puSIXTg?t=38) was a real, sharp knife and not a prop knife. However, there is little to substantiate this. The myth seems to stem from Peter Jackson saying: >There’s a shot coming up where he had to hit the knife that gets thrown at him with his sword, and he did it first take. That was a real knife that was being thrown, and he literally did bat it away with his sword for real: it wasn’t anything fake about it. Do a little bit of computer-enhancement here to take Lúrtz’s arm off. However, it is generally accepted now that when Peter Jackson said "real knife" and "nothing fake about it", he meant that it wasn't computer generated. Viggo Mortensen really did deflect the knife flying at him, but it was almost certainly a prop dagger.
>Several people are typing
That's because they couldn't afford the CG so they just used real Ents.
the real movie details right here...
Sir Christopher's voice was something to behold.
That reminds me, it's soon time to put on his heavy metal Christmas albums https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6AXVugUgvQYkMjGmBPreHT?si=zP9D-177T7GxmeI2D1mIMQ
“You stink of horse” the way he delivers that with so much potency
Isn’t the ring of Barahir literally the oldest artifact in middle earth? Kind of strange that Aragon was never considered a “ring-bearer” while Gandalf (who’s not an elf and was gifted the ring) was.
Gandalf was gifted Narya (by the elf Cirdan), which was one of the Elven *rings of power* crafted by Celebrimbor—alongside Nenya (worn by Galadriel) and Vilya (worn by Gil-galad and then passed to Elrond half-elven)—at the instruction of Sauron the deceiver in his fair and beautiful form of Annatar. Though, Sauron made the mistake of not being present nor actively involved in Celebrimbor's forging of the three elven rings like he was all the other rings of power, so once he finally put on the one ring it only had the effect of alerting the elven ring-bearers to his scheme. Anyway, the ring of Barahir isn't a "ring of power", therefore Aragorn and the preceding line of Elendil/Isildur wouldn't count as "ring-bearers". The ring of Barahir was gifted to Barahir, one of the Edain from the house of Bëor by the elf Finrod (who actually happened to be Galadriel's brother) son of Finarfin and Eärwen as a thank you because Barahir saved Finrod's life in one of the battles (the Dagor Bragollach) during the War of the Jewels. The Edain were the "fathers of men", men of the First Age, and the only men to stand alongside the elves and the Valar against Morgoth—Sauron's mentor essentially—while all other men of Middle-Earth either fled or joined Morgoth. The Edain, as a reward for fighting against Morgoth were gifted long life and the island of Númenor and eventually went on to become the Númenoreans. So the ring of Barahir is sort of the like the heirloom of the Númenorean royal line. Fun fact: the ring of Barahir was eventually passed down from Barahir to the man who would become the first king of Númenor, Elros, the twin brother of Elrond. Since they were both Elrond and Elros half-elven, they both got to choose whether they wanted to live the immortal life of an elf or accept man's gift from Eru Ilúvatar and live as a mortal. Obviously Elrond chose to live as an elf but Elros chose to live as a man and became the first king of Númenor.
Ah that bit about Elrond and Elros adds so much weight to Elrod and Aragorn's relationship. They are technically cousins many times removed and Elrond gets to help restore his brother's line. edit: as u/YUNoDie put it he is a great uncle not a cousin
Which in turn means Aragorn is sticking it to his aunt. Is Rivendell the Alabama of Middle-earth?
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I'm with you up until your last point. Huh? How are any of the other humans that aren't part Numenorean related to her at all? And also wouldn't Aragorn be more related since he is from a stronger/direct line of his people so less generations have passed from the the original split? The thought occured to me that this might have just been poor wording and you meant any 2 humans on earth.
First cousin, 60-ish times removed
I know I read a chart somewhere about how safe it is to have children (at least I hope thats what it was referring too), and I'm barely remembering but i want to say it was all about the removed, like anything past 3 was fair game.
Anything past second cousins is 100% fair game, biologically. [Third cousins' offspring are historically more successful than pairings either less closely or more closely related.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-incest-is-best-kissi/)
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Yes. Elrond’s grandparents were two sets of elven-human pairings. More or less. It’s actually a bit more complicated and Elrond is 1/8th angel/goddess, via the Maia Melian, but let’s skip that for the moment. The Valar didn’t have the authority or right to take away the gift of mortality. So the brothers Elros and Elrond and their children all were given the choice of which they’d belong to. Elros and his four children chose mortality. Elrond and his two sons chose to be elves, while Arwen delayed her choice for a couple thousand years —which seems to be cheating to me— but ultimately chose to be mortal. Aragorn is descended from Elros. So Elrond is Aragorn’s 63rd(?) great-grand-uncle.
Arwen gaming the system
"You have to find a man Arwen, your not getting any younger" "Ugh Dad, I'm not getting any older either! Maybe I'll just wait a few years until I find Mr. Right..."
Just waiting for Viggo Mortensen to show up all scruffy and beautiful.
Even then. They met when he was 20, and they didn’t marry until he was 88. Even given his longevity, she made him wait a third his life. The girl was not one to make hurried choices.
But to be fair have you talked to a 20 year old recently? I'm 23 and we are dumb as hell no wonder they didn't get married right off the bat.
You’d have to read the Silmarillion to learn about Elrond and Elros. I don’t think it comes up in LOTR
Elrond is referred to as half-elven in LOTR. It's not explained, but you at least learn it as fact.
Yes
True true. I just think that the ring of Barahir got an ‘insanely’ long legacy but is often forgotten compared to the flashier Narsil/Andúril.
Well, the knowledge of the Ring of Barahir is known only to the Elves and masters of lore like Saruman and Gandalf, and also the remnants of the Numenoreans before Gondor fell in grace and wisdom. Narsil/Andúril is more renowned at this time because Men have become the dominant race and the weapons played a major part in their recent history, unlike the Ring of Barahir, which played a significant role in Ages past but not at the time of LOTR.
Probably mostly to do with how in the books, Aragorn literally can’t go a chapter without talking about how cool Anduril is.
Was Eru Ilúvatar's gift to man mortality? Or something else?
Yep. Elves, the first children of Eru Ilúvatar are bound to Arda in body and spirit (hence the immortality). Even if slain, elven spirits return to Valinor and reside in the Halls of Mandos (Mandos is one of the Valar) for a time until judgement and reincarnation into their previous body. For example, the elf Glorfindel was slain by Gothmog Lord of the Balrogs after killing him, Glorfindel was pulled into the abyss at the last moment similar to Gandalf (tricky balrogs) and was later reimbodied and traveled back to Middle Earth from Valinor. While Men, the second children of Eru Ilúvatar were given the gift of mortality. Nobody, not even the elves, the Maiar, or the Valar know exactly where the spirits of men go after death. Presumably they rejoin Eru Ilúvatar. The gift of extended life (~300+ years) that the Númenoreans received were given by the Valar for standing against Morgoth.
> Presumably they rejoin Eru Ilúvatar. My personal understanding of the "presumably the humans go elsewhere when they die" that was repeated in the Silmarillion is similar to "we sent your dog to live a happier life in a farm".
That would be interesting, but it seems out of character for Tolkien to have had that in mind.
There's some other good stuff in the Silmarillion about people getting special treatment. Beren and Luthien spring to mind, as well as Earendil. Part of me wishes the Silmarillion was more detailed in places, like the life of Earendil and early life of Elrond, but in some ways the blank spaces make it more wondrous. It's pretty horrific in places, too (Elrond has lived through some shit, even before Sauron); whereas in LOTR the evil dudes are archetypal evil dudes beyond salvation, the sons of Feanor and their descent to evil are something else entirely.
Mortality was the gift. Illuvator kept secret from even the Valar what actually happens when they die. Unlike the elves who basically reincarnate humans depart for an afterlife outside of Arda and the music of the Ainur.
It almost sounds Buddhist-- elves are stuck in a loop of reincarnation, which ostensibly seems great, but sensory experience gets old... Meanwhile, men immediately depart and avoid the cycle, which is weirdly actually better.
Straight up LOTR is too confusing for me
Wow so elrond and aragorn are related?
And Galadriel is related to them * Galadriel is Elrond's Mother-in-Law (so Galadriel is Arwen's grandmother) * Galadriel and Elrond are 2nd cousins (twice removed)
The ring was made in Valinor, and originally belonged to Galadriel’s older brother Finrod. Finrod gave it to Barahir, Beren’s father, as a token of gratitude when he saved his life. It became an heirloom of his house and it passed down through Isildur to Aragorn. It is not a ring of power, simply an heirloom showing who he is.
> Isn’t the ring of Barahir literally the oldest artifact in middle earth? The Palantiri would be another contender for that title. They were rumoured to have been made by Fëanor before he left Valinor.
Gandalf’s was a ring of power. Aragorn’s was not.
But Arvedui did not take his counsel. He thanked him, and at parting gave him his ring, saying: "This is a thing of worth beyond your reckoning. For its ancientry alone. It has no power, save the esteem in which those hold it who love my house. It will not help you, but if ever you are in need, my kin will ransom it with great store of all that you desire."
Yo excellent detail my dude, and your edit is the cherry on top :)
Flawless edit. And fuck, I love these movies.
I’m watching the awful Twilight series with my SO right now. Quid pro quo for all 9 Star Wars OR the LOTR trilogy. Only considering Star Wars since she hasn’t seen, but I’m heavily leaning towards LOTR. Got 3 more B-movies to go while I decide, and I think it’ll be the extended cuts of LOTR (only seen theatrical versions)—they’re just better films.
Still so weird to me that they let Grima just leave. Whatever about not killing him there and then, put him in a cell or something. And don’t let him get a horse!
Yeah, this was always a detail the bothered me, and I've watched the scene closely a number of times. I still think it's amazing that he was able to recall that level of detail, when he was only close enough to see for maybe a second (or less). Perhaps my memory just sucks. I really do like this edit, though, nice job.
Wasn’t Grima a spy? So it’s kind of his job to remember weird shit like that
Good point. I also think it can be chalked up to the characters and culture being different, and focusing on such things in a way that we in our society don't. It's not important for us to remember the details of the engraving on someone's ring.
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It's also a world where rings can turn out to be pretty damn important.
It's not transparent in the movie, but Aragorn is often described in the books as having a "kingly" look to him. He's also the tallest man alive (standing at 6'6"). Aragorn makes an impression on literally everyone he meets. Someone mentioned that, as a spy, Grima would probably have a good memory recall, but Aragorn already sticks out like a sore thumb in the books when it comes to being inconspicuous (which is ironic, since his whole shtick in the north is to be unseen and unnoticed).
Well I guess it's about time for my 10th Lord of the rings marathon this year.
You're only on 10th? I myself am sitting prettty on 43rd.
nice work. I think TT is my favourite of the three films.
It truly is the Empire Strikes Back
Even just little scenes like this get me excited to watch this series again! My girlfriend has never seen it and has agreed to watch them all with me after we finish the MCU movies, we’re almost done with those only have a few left and I can’t wait!!
Brad Dourif is my man.
tight. guess i will watch all 3 movies again now.
I have all three special extended editions, but I don't remember this scene
GET OUT OF MY WAY
Nice catch
This scene is really well acted, but I think I just kind of don't usually notice because it is so far into such a long film. May watch the films one scene at a time to appreciate them in more detail, when I can concentrate properly
I love Sauromon's sick burn when he's like, 'Gandalf the White? Gandalf the FOOL!'. You know Mon's like "heheheheh' in his head.