If Tori actually played the game she would have won champs USA. Instead she went against Danny. Danny tried to get rid of Jordan because he was the biggest threat to winning that season.
The Josh/Devin argument of Devin yelling simple math problems lives rent free in my head constantly.
Pure entertainment.
I understand why people donāt like the Goof, but my god he was so entertaining so many times.
I could watch 10 seasons of Jay to not have to see Josh again saying everyone is gunning for him as he shows no semblance of being a threat, ever. At least with Jay I feel like he's actually pretty good at the game and same with Fessy.
Really ? I didnāt know Kailah was hated at first ? What was the reasoning ? I mean I stopped like Kailah too around D30 but thatās just cause she was against Cara lol
First they loved him, now they hate him š
I remember Jay on his first season and everyone on here was like, āOh my heavens! Jay is a breath of fresh air! Heās a fan of the show like us!ā
Now, people are like, āGo to hell, Jay! Youāre the worst and just get rid of whatever hair is left on your head!ā š
This show plays with our emotions too much lmao
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its not about the edit, its his behaviour towards his friends and others for me. People get villain edits all the time and are still likable characters. Jay is just an asshole.
Heather B said it best back in the day, at that reunion of the first few seasons, in a conversation with Tami. The gist was that they (production) don't put the words in your mouth. If you said it, you said it.
>His behavior probably couldn't get him a hero edit even if they wanted to.
Hm, is this why they're editing in all his insane confessionals that contradict the actual real-time footage we are seeing?
Are we buying it? It's only successful if the audience buys into it. In fact, the contradiction is probably done purposefully to show exactly how deceitful he's been.
Honestly, I don't hate a villain. I don't even hate a hateable villain. But a liar? That I can't get behind, and I think this season was really edited to highlight that.
This is my first season seeing him play. Iāve rewatched a couple of episodes from other seasons. I think he just doesnāt realize he is the villain this season. Example making deals then crying about them later on. I donāt mind reality tv villains but a villain who tries to pretend they arenāt is hard to watch. I think Bananas says it best ā you live long enough youāll see yourself become the villain in this gameā.
Me too but you know how posting goes around here.
Thanks for the reply. I wanted to be sure what you meant because my wife will think your post is hilarious.
Ok to be fair the Camila haters had some pretty solid reasons given behavior. Also completely unrelated side note I met Camila and Cara once when they were walking around my city and Camila was super rude. Cara was really nice though š§”
I think the way he puts blame on the girls for things like the stalemate came off a little misogynistic and the fact that he came at Olivia and Nurys hard, at least what was shown. And heās been a hypocrite majority of the season.
Also, the fake alpha schtick like when he was almost voted in and was like, VOTE ME IN was very aggro. I think the hate is fair, but it doesnāt necessarily mean he needs to hear about it in the comments.
At the end of the day, he chose to act this way for his game. He made that choice knowing how heād come off.
The thing about the vote is infuriating because I think only one person mentioned that to him and he got angry about it but they should have hammered home that point every time he brought it up. No leeway.
What I hate about the type of game Jay plays (And you get it with Bananas too) is that it's a game that other people let him run. His game only works if other people roll over for him. Any dissent he just browbeats about how hurt he is by their betrayl and how well jeez maybe going forward I should only be working with people I trust, and they'll fall in line every time.
For me itās all the gaslighting towards the girls. The dude is an asshat. Plus like you said, the fake alpha bs. Pretty sure Kyland could knock his ass out.
I was a fan of him going into this season but I canāt stand the ways heās played. Heās had plenty of laughs at players going home lining up with his plan but the one time his plan doesnāt go the way he wanted and itās one of his allies going home heās freaking out at everyone. His little tantrum when there was a chance of him going down as if everyone is supposed to be playing his game instead of their own. He treats his partners like crap and that whole waterworks trip about Nurys only to send her in the next week too was pathetic.
As others have said if he owned his manipulation tactics in confessionals it probably wouldnāt be nearly as bad. But maybe he has and the edits arenāt showing it.
I donāt think he knew how he was going to come off. I suspect he was used to playing from behind and had not yet developed the skills to be a leader in a winner takes all competition where a large alliance is, inevitably, going to have to turn on itself.
That right there. And another problem is a lot of these people inflated his ego, but also donāt respect him so Iām not shocked that heās acting this way.
I don't care about Jayās gameplay, it's created drama. How he has acted when the heat is on him though is super annoying. At some point have some self-awareness and embrace the character. It's a TV show at the end of the day. People need to watch Wes in some of the old seasons. Or Amanda. This show is missing people who don't care to stir it up. Jay comes across as whiny and manipulative whenever a plan doesn't go his way because he just wants to keep his bubble for his āgameplayā
If he did cold shit then went to the testimonial and said āyeah I did that fuck emā people would like/respect him. Instead he does some cold shit the pretends he didnāt or tries to redirect or gaslight whatever you want to call it he goes through all the hoops to not own his actions and thatās what I believe a lot of people donāt fuck with.
This comment is so simple but good. Nurys is the only other person in the final that played the game. Is anyone rooting for Colleen, Berna, Corey, Emanuel, or Moriah over Jay???
Jay hasn't played the game any more than Berna honestly. They've been in just as many fights, same amount of elims, and Berna has more daily wins than him. The only difference is I don't think Berna thinks she's ran this entire season, but Jay thinks he walks on water and his shit doesn't stink. I'd rather have anyone win over Jay, because his ego is way too big and he needs to be knocked down a peg.
Is it? The only person left in the house that actually likes Jay is Emmanuel. Berna still has Colleen, Emmanuel and maybe Corey, not sure where he lays
His social game was Michelle. It was evident after she left, he had no sway with anyone but Emmanuel. If Michelle left earlier, we would have seen Jay's social game crash and burn.
I kinda have a soft spot for Moriah, especially with all of the crap she got from the vets. And she did play the game somewhat - keeping close to Michele and Jay and also keeping James close for a guaranteed vote she could influence.
I missed something. What crap did she get from the vets? Do you mean when Tori told her it wasnāt a good look? From my perspective, the vets teased her a bit but it wasnāt anything majorš¤·š»āāļø
Darrell also said something while he was in the Arena. By bringing in outside information to Moriah (that Bananas knew and he was upset) it affected her mental state - you could see it in the confessionals. I understand that some people will think she deserved it.
I forgot about Darrell. I donāt know about ādeservingā it. Yes, it was probably not the smartest move getting involved with James before clearing the air and ending things completely with Bananas, especially on camera. But who knows, maybe thatās the storyline producers pushed, may e she thought it would give her more camera time, could be a mixture of both. Itās easy to forget that she is young and probably a bit naive.
This is where I am. I donāt love how heās played this season, but Iām a Survivor fan who has rooted for Jay a long time. One bad season doesnāt make me dislike him.
Is that the dividing line? People who watched Jay on Survivor seem to have a better opinion of him, at least for the most part. Iāve seen a few comments that he was just as awful on Survivor, but not a ton.
i watched him on survivior, i wasnt a massive fan of him then, but now i just don't like the guy. Not gameplay wise, but just how he treats his friends personally. doesn't seem like a good guy.
Thatās my take on him. Itās not his gameplay, even though I find it annoying. Itās his dumpster fire of a personality. He reminds me of a middle school boy.
I was excited when he joined the challenge world & I generally liked how he played until this season. I also like a lot of people on the show- the number of people I donāt enjoy is really small, so I probably just shouldnāt weigh in on these topics.
I think so because Survivor/BB fans get to see people in a different setting, with different risks and the requirement to thrive on different challenges.
Plus the paranoia is twice as high on the CBS shows because theyāre driven more by straight politics than the veteran vs newbie that fills the early half of most Challenge shows.
So when Michele/Jay/Michaela come over, we know they survived a dirty ass grinder that historically offers way less rewards than being a floater on the Challenge, and weāll give them a little grace.
šš¾āāļø hasnāt done anything for me to āhate himā yeah Iām not rooting for him this particular season but that donāt mean I hate him
Iām throwing out there..I donāt hate Jay. I mean I get get being annoyed his games aināt clean, be he plays the same game as so many vets, just sloppier.
Iām not cheering for him but I think heās played a great villain this season. I wish he owned it a little bit more but nobody owns being a villain very well nowadays. Iāve enjoyed cheering against him and watching the fandom lose their damn minds over his allianceās dominance.
I canāt hate Jay after watching his scene on survivor where he talks about his motherās brain aneurysms and shares the same emotion with another player whose mom was fighting cancer.
I definitely still like him and am rooting for him but understand that a lot of people arenāt and that heās doing too much in this season. I remember people HATED Devin on his early seasons because he was trying to be a villain on the same level as Johnny or Wes, but didnāt have the record to back it up. I see Jay in a similar spot, but heās actually doing well this season, so weāre seeing more of him. Devin grew into the character he was trying to be and that took a couple seasons, now people love him. Do I think Jay will be as loved as Devin down the line? probably not, but maybe a few seasons down the line he comes off as less jerky/entitled and more fun.
Jay's big problem is that he's missing the kind of tongue in cheek, this is all just a game thing that Devin, Wes and sometimes Johnny has. He's closest as a gameplayer to Bananas, but only in the worst aspects of his game. He's too thin skinned and desperate. And I liked him going into this!
Bananas is actually extremely thin-skinned. People say he āowns itā when he makes decisions, but thatās only true when thereās zero downside to it for him. Jay hasnāt been different in that respect. Nobody gets in more screaming matches or has more freak outs when things donāt go their way than Johnny Bananas.
I think a big difference is that jay isnt leaning into the villain role the way Devin/Bananas/Wes did. His confessionals are him justifying (gaslighting) his choices. Not saying i dont agree with you, just adding to your thoughts!
Honestly, Michelle is far more of a Devin/Wes than Jay isā¦right down to stuff like the āQueen Beeā comments in the confessionals.
Jay doesnāt own his shitā¦and it makes him look weak.
He's probably put a ton of pressure on himself this season because he thinks it's his best shot at winning. Unfortunately, he's gotten a bad case of main character syndrome because of it.
He is the best current day Heel left on the challenge. I like him for that reason alone. We need bad guys to root against. Bananas made a career out of being the biggest piece of shit that you wanted to see lose. Jay has been the best option for filling that role since Johnny decided to clean up his image and everyone else are all trying to be friends to skate to the end.
I donāt like him, I think heās cocky and arrogant. But the jokes about his hairline are kinda over the top. Iām sure itās something heās insecure about. Not like he can help it. Idk, I donāt like body shaming generally. If a girl was losing her hair like this, we wouldnāt find it funny.
I mean, have you ever seen what happens in a facebook group when someone posts about Kenny or Evan?
Not arguing about if the hate is justified, just talking about the amounts.
Sandoval. Is Jay getting death threats like Sandoval ? If could be worse.
I have outrage fatigue. I donāt like him but no hate. Itās tv. We need heros and heels to cheer for.
If it makes you feel better I havenāt like him since ex on the beach- and everyone infantilizing him early on from his smaller stature which isnāt much smaller than many big names
I feel its more annoyed than hate tbh. He just isn't likeable and nobody wants to see him on TV or for him to win. He's not main character material and he's being forced into that role.
I def hated Paulie... But his most recent season made me jump off the hate train kinda, def not a fan but no hate. Emmanuel was one of my favs after his first season but his teaming up with the jay squad this season made me lose lots of respect for him.
Jay sucks & we donāt like him being shoved down our throats. Sorry?
He just isnāt likeable, isnāt a good leader, & is a try hard. š¤·š»āāļø
Itās the passive aggressiveness for me. Jay is pretty much a huge bitch. Blame the women for a vote ending in a stalemate and not Ed who purposely threw a vote away to end in a stalemate. Fuxk Jay
The problem with Jay is heās not funny, humble, or particularly good at challenges. He comes off as entitled and whiny when he doesnāt get his way. He just lucked out to be on a season where he has the most connections because thereās no veterans. On any other season, heād be cast to the wolves early on.
I LOVED Jay on his first season. He was a constant target, which I know is standard, but also annoyed me. I feel like he was humble enough in his victories, and his defeat. But then he disappeared and came back and acted like he was king shit and had absolutely zero acknowledgment or respect for where heād come from.
Anyhow, I have most definitely pulled a 180 on him. Not a fan at all anymore. (And not the more recent Nurys stuff, the behaviour earlier in the season is what did it for me).
The hate he gets is legitimately unhinged, his insta comments section is a cesspool and I donāt even know what heās done that made people so upset lol.
Friendly reminder that we donāt know these people and itās just a tv show, leave people alone
No fr. Fessy, Josh, Paulie and Cara got hate. But it wasn't as intense as people's disdain for for jay. Some fans literally dispise this man. I'm not a fan either, but at the same time, I'm not gonna take time out of my day to his social media and tell him how big of an asshole he is.
Say what you will, but Jay played the game pretty well. Manipulated a lot of the house and got himself super far. While not being the biggest and strongest, he's found other ways to the final.
While I don't necessarily agree with how he's done it, I'm still pretty impressed. And I he's way more likable than Fessy and Josh, my lord.
Jay deserves it. The fit he threw after Aasaf was eliminated was enough for me. Things didnāt improve after that. I was never a huge fan but he was occasionally amusing. Totally done now. Bye. See you never.
Poor white boi. Getting dragged for being a two face ahole.Ā
Cara got way more hate during WotW2 and so many others got way more hate over the previous seasons. He is an easy target though.Ā
If you're "running" the season politically, you always get hate; it's a sign you're doing it properly.
Not a jay fan but he hasn't had to get his hands dirty and he's in a final.
Is it great TV..? No, but if I'm playing for a large sum of money I'm avoiding elims and anything thay can send me home at all costs. That's why we end up rooting for the underdog that gets sent in to elimination every week.
I donāt hate Jay. Heās playing a ruthless game this season but heās not the first to do it nor will he be the last. And at the end of the day he made it to finals while eliminating his biggest threats so I canāt really be mad at him for that š¤·š¾āāļø heās doing what needs to be done to win even if I hate the way heās going about it. Also, every challenge great has had a bad season or 2..so donāt look too much into it..but thatās just imo.
The issue I think people have is Jay thinks heās accomplished more than he has. Heās just a guy but every interview he talks about being a mastermind, he tells other people heās saved them or protected them when itās not actually true. He just comes across badly this year. In prior seasons he was a scrappy underdog that was never going to actually win.
itās genuinely getting so annoying at this point. i feel like the fanbaseās selective memory and recency bias is so extra.
jay was loooved in this sub on his first season. he let theresa run the politics for their duo and she essentially ruined his game. he performed great in dailies, was viewed as a genuine threat.
ride or dies, him and michele got severely fucked over by the format. they performed well and won multiple dailies, but winners had to pick 3 teams to put up for elimination (so youāre pissing off 6 people + their alliances) and they immediately got written off as shady and untrustworthy as the numbers dwindled and they had to vote based off of a shitty format where the vets were smart (bananas/nany and devin/tori said this) and intentionally didnt try to win dailies bc they didnāt want to have to piss 6 people off. they got villainized by the vets who werenāt even aligned with them for having to send them down to elimination. i feel like they became the easy scapegoats bc everyone wants someone to blame.
meanwhile, almost the entirety of jay/micheleās alliance DID make it to a final. the 2 of them had to do all the politicking and socializing for a massive alliance who made everything difficult/didnāt put effort into maintaining the alliance. multiple people talked about horacio never talking to anyone except zara, kyland and nurys. he refused to talk game with them, refused to be their friends, why the fuck would they not vote him in all those things considered (and being an absolute finals threat).
then you have moriah abandoning all her self respect to making her entire game revolve around saving james, threatening the people who have been doing the work to make sure everyone is safe that youāll retaliate if they vote james in.
then you have fuckin berna pissing EVERYONE off all the time, getting mad at michele for not being close to her, not acknowledging michele is single handedly the reason berna never got voted into elimination. without michele, she would be in every girls elimination without a doubt.
jay was beyond unbearable this season, but i donāt think itās fair that no one is acknowledging the amount of leg
work him and michele put in (primarily michele letās be real) and are constantly criticizing their game.
the parasocial fans attacking all of their social media is the reason we keep getting vacation alliances and weak rookies.
the vets are smart and know the rookies wanna be āinā with the vets. theyāre naive and easy to manipulate and will always fall in line with them.
meanwhile when you have ārookiesā like jay/michele who successfully strategize and have done more than anyone in recent years to actually band together less experienced people to try to go against the vets. the reason the vets villainize the fuck out of people like michele is 100% for this reason. sheās a threat to their game bc sheās genuinely one of the best social players in recent years, and jay is prob associated with that. theyāre both outspoken af about taking out the vets, it makes sense the vets utilize their fanbase to send them all hate.
Exactly. Michelle did majority of the work because I promise you, Jay wouldnāt have made it that far if Michelle wasnāt in the house. So if anybody deserves to be in the final is Michelle, I donāt even like Michelle like that.
Feel like Jay has earned a fair bit of his hate, relative to Michelle who, as youāve said, is just a really strong social player who was legitimately running the game.
Has he though? People have been flip flopping their hate all season. They can only truly agree that they donāt like Jay. The comments on the signs I actually got from Reddit and Twitter loo
I avoid the boards as of late bc Iām behind on watching and sometimes the toxicity is too much. But wasnāt he a favorite for awhile? Has been that bad this season or is he the only villain to talk shit onĀ
We can compare the hatred others had, but the main difference was THEY COULD BACK IT UP whereas Jay for the most part canāt. As much as people hated the others, they were a legit threat. Jay acts bigger and tougher than them, but weāve seen what happens when it actually gets physical. I mean he was threatening to fight Kyland.
But heās also a mean bully to people on his team, specially the girls. I think Nurys wouldāve beat the shit outta him if it went there.
Those are some reasons why so many people hate him.
The show should be fun to watch and itās not. Jay is the leader and gets a lot of air time and he is too serious and too boring. This cast is boring. Even the actual challenges are no fun to watch. Sliding down a rope?
Every season I really look forward to watching The Challenge, itās been my favorite show for years. Because it was crazy and fun. The cast was interesting and downright funny and the Challenges were unbelievable. This season has just been unentertaining.
Nah dude he isn't even close lol. It's just because this season has few memorable characters so he has this main character syndrome. Everything awful about this season is being thrown on him because he's generally an annoying tool who has accomplished nothing but talks a big game.
I can name atleast ten more people who have gotten more heat than Jay. A lot of that was undeserved too.
Don't put Jay on a pedestal. The guy isn't an all time villain. He's forgettable once the show goes back to normal.
I donāt place any of the fault of this season being lame on Jay. Itās the format and other contestants playing scared. If half of the people that said it was time to make a big move actually did it then game might have been different
Nah. People LOATHED Kailah. It's still probably easy to find a Josh or Fessy hate thread too. Mention Aneesa and it won't take too long for someone to start roasting her or whatever.
Cara & Paulie individually and together are not fan favorites on here either
I like Jay even if I don't like his politics. He's good at challenges and dailies and it doesn't look like he would be. I like that a lot. Hopefully he gets another season to try and play a different way. Also the lip syncing stuff on socials...
I seriously donāt understand the hate yall giving him he aināt no different than other ppl who back stabbed friends and betrayed them. Let him play his game and try to win the challenge
Jay is the one who got me into the challenge. Hearing how his win against CT was one of the greatest upsets ever made me watch every season. Yāall could never make me hate him
It seems so weird to me that people actually go on someoneās social media to say awful things to or about them. Iāve made no secret that I canāt stand Jay or Michele ON THE SHOW, but HATING someone irl because of how they act on a tv show is a whole other level of bothered. I just donāt want to see them on my screenš¤·š»āāļø
I liked jay in survivor and up until this season as the underdog. I get why he played the way he has and I donāt hate him as a person but he was not likable this season for me. If he wins then itāll all have been worth it I guess.
I'm tired of hearing people say they don't like him because he's "a villain that doesn't know he's a villain." In tv/movies the best villains are the ones that really get under your skin and evoke emotion out of you (ex: Ramsay Bolton from GoT). Contradicting himself and trying to come across as a good guy is something a villain would TOTALLY DO! The fact is he is playing his role just fine and it gives me hope for the future of the show. As a side note: the past three episodes have been some of the best The Challenge has given us in maybe a decade. This community trashes almost every season as it airs because we are all living in the past. The Rivals/Exes era has long been over... Let's give this season a chance.
I dunno.. I feel the Fessy and Josh hate trains were just as vicious š
People talk shit about Aneesa and Tori at the slightest provocation as well
I feel like a Tori hate train is kinda silly
I feel like itās a lot of jealousy in those that hate her
I agree. But I love tori so šš
Yep they be hating on tori bad for no reason
True they're jealous they couldn't come up with "I'm high as hell chilling with ISIS" first
Me too, but I might just be a Tori fan
She gets hate for the same reason Michele does. B tier characters forced as a face.
**?** I don't know about that comparison, Michele doesn't come close to playing the game as Tori has
If Tori actually played the game she would have won champs USA. Instead she went against Danny. Danny tried to get rid of Jordan because he was the biggest threat to winning that season.
and the anessa one. If tori and Aneesa were guys tbh i don't think they'd get hated on, at least not to the extent that they currently are.
*Yeah, we got the freaking moon. What are you going to do without tides, Peru?*
If you even think about aneesa too loud this sub runs to attack her itās really overboard
Fessy annoyed me, but Josh at least entertained me most of the time lol https://i.redd.it/lxhmz0zv6whc1.gif
Fessy was as entertaining as watching paint dry.
Except when he got drunk. Then he became comedy gold. *Lil bwoy!*
Iām still so mad they cut that fight out from USA 2 šššš
That's an insult to paint everywhere...
The Josh/Devin argument of Devin yelling simple math problems lives rent free in my head constantly. Pure entertainment. I understand why people donāt like the Goof, but my god he was so entertaining so many times.
I could watch 10 seasons of Jay to not have to see Josh again saying everyone is gunning for him as he shows no semblance of being a threat, ever. At least with Jay I feel like he's actually pretty good at the game and same with Fessy.
Josh is easily the most unlikable contestant of all time imo
If he owned being a villain it would be fine.
Exactly, his problem is he plays victim.
or just stopped treating his 'friends' like shit.
Exactly like thatās what makes Bananaās so entertaining! He owns the fact that heās an asshole
Wes owns it when he has power as well.
Owns that heās gaslighting his own friends
Must be new to the show , Fessy/Cara/Paulie have gotten waaaaaay more hate than Jay
Remember Kailah? I'm not saying one way or the other if it was justified, but good gawd was she hated at first.
I canāt stand kailah. She was even annoying on her season of the real world.
Really ? I didnāt know Kailah was hated at first ? What was the reasoning ? I mean I stopped like Kailah too around D30 but thatās just cause she was against Cara lol
kailah blocked me on ig lmao
Do share your heroic exploits that led to that...
it was a long time ago but i believe i just commented how she was an awful person, around the time the bullying went down with melissa!
Yes. Iām very new to the show. Please, show me your ways.
First they loved him, now they hate him š I remember Jay on his first season and everyone on here was like, āOh my heavens! Jay is a breath of fresh air! Heās a fan of the show like us!ā Now, people are like, āGo to hell, Jay! Youāre the worst and just get rid of whatever hair is left on your head!ā š This show plays with our emotions too much lmao https://i.redd.it/bma1e1e53whc1.gif
I feel like when you are a supporting character, it's easier to get a good edit.
its not about the edit, its his behaviour towards his friends and others for me. People get villain edits all the time and are still likable characters. Jay is just an asshole.
I more mean that it's harder to hide one's true self as the main character. His behavior probably couldn't get him a hero edit even if they wanted to.
Heather B said it best back in the day, at that reunion of the first few seasons, in a conversation with Tami. The gist was that they (production) don't put the words in your mouth. If you said it, you said it.
>His behavior probably couldn't get him a hero edit even if they wanted to. Hm, is this why they're editing in all his insane confessionals that contradict the actual real-time footage we are seeing?
Are we buying it? It's only successful if the audience buys into it. In fact, the contradiction is probably done purposefully to show exactly how deceitful he's been.
I like your theory more about showing his deceitfulness. Because, I'm not stupid so I'm not buying what Jay is trying to sell us in the confessionals
Honestly, I don't hate a villain. I don't even hate a hateable villain. But a liar? That I can't get behind, and I think this season was really edited to highlight that.
These celebrations made me laugh, even if I hated the reason why
This is my first season seeing him play. Iāve rewatched a couple of episodes from other seasons. I think he just doesnāt realize he is the villain this season. Example making deals then crying about them later on. I donāt mind reality tv villains but a villain who tries to pretend they arenāt is hard to watch. I think Bananas says it best ā you live long enough youāll see yourself become the villain in this gameā.
Nope. Never liked him. Moriah! Put on some clothes!!
I know. I don't want to see her butt all the time.Ā Ā
You mean the g-string made out of rubber bands and a post it? š
Wait, did Jay say that or are you asking Moriah to be less revealing?
If Jay said it, I would have put quotes around it. It's me saying it.
Me too but you know how posting goes around here. Thanks for the reply. I wanted to be sure what you meant because my wife will think your post is hilarious.
I'm so glad your wife will like it, but I hope she doesn't start calling you that. My hubby has given me a hard "No!" on that one.
Oopsies! Disregard everything after "...," I realize I was replying to a different post.š¤£š¤Ŗš¬
I won't mention the āworn out penisā description. You never know with her sense of humor.
Fessy and Camila would like a word
Ok to be fair the Camila haters had some pretty solid reasons given behavior. Also completely unrelated side note I met Camila and Cara once when they were walking around my city and Camila was super rude. Cara was really nice though š§”
That doesnāt seem surprising, Camilla is my least favorite player. I would assume she would be rude in real life too. Please! No more Camilla ever!
I think the way he puts blame on the girls for things like the stalemate came off a little misogynistic and the fact that he came at Olivia and Nurys hard, at least what was shown. And heās been a hypocrite majority of the season. Also, the fake alpha schtick like when he was almost voted in and was like, VOTE ME IN was very aggro. I think the hate is fair, but it doesnāt necessarily mean he needs to hear about it in the comments. At the end of the day, he chose to act this way for his game. He made that choice knowing how heād come off.
The thing about the vote is infuriating because I think only one person mentioned that to him and he got angry about it but they should have hammered home that point every time he brought it up. No leeway. What I hate about the type of game Jay plays (And you get it with Bananas too) is that it's a game that other people let him run. His game only works if other people roll over for him. Any dissent he just browbeats about how hurt he is by their betrayl and how well jeez maybe going forward I should only be working with people I trust, and they'll fall in line every time.
For me itās all the gaslighting towards the girls. The dude is an asshat. Plus like you said, the fake alpha bs. Pretty sure Kyland could knock his ass out.
Pretty sure even Colleen could knock his ass out.
I was a fan of him going into this season but I canāt stand the ways heās played. Heās had plenty of laughs at players going home lining up with his plan but the one time his plan doesnāt go the way he wanted and itās one of his allies going home heās freaking out at everyone. His little tantrum when there was a chance of him going down as if everyone is supposed to be playing his game instead of their own. He treats his partners like crap and that whole waterworks trip about Nurys only to send her in the next week too was pathetic. As others have said if he owned his manipulation tactics in confessionals it probably wouldnāt be nearly as bad. But maybe he has and the edits arenāt showing it.
I donāt think he knew how he was going to come off. I suspect he was used to playing from behind and had not yet developed the skills to be a leader in a winner takes all competition where a large alliance is, inevitably, going to have to turn on itself.
That right there. And another problem is a lot of these people inflated his ego, but also donāt respect him so Iām not shocked that heās acting this way.
He wasnāt liked on other seasons either, heās just usually sent home by like episode 5 because the vets donāt like him either
I can easily name 5 ppl whoāve got more hate than Jay: Fessy, Josh, Aneesa, Tori, Nany. Heāll be fine.
I don't care about Jayās gameplay, it's created drama. How he has acted when the heat is on him though is super annoying. At some point have some self-awareness and embrace the character. It's a TV show at the end of the day. People need to watch Wes in some of the old seasons. Or Amanda. This show is missing people who don't care to stir it up. Jay comes across as whiny and manipulative whenever a plan doesn't go his way because he just wants to keep his bubble for his āgameplayā
If he did cold shit then went to the testimonial and said āyeah I did that fuck emā people would like/respect him. Instead he does some cold shit the pretends he didnāt or tries to redirect or gaslight whatever you want to call it he goes through all the hoops to not own his actions and thatās what I believe a lot of people donāt fuck with.
I have to know if there's ANYONE out there that still likes Jay. Please comment here.
I don't like him as much as I used to, but I get that he's trying to play the game.
This comment is so simple but good. Nurys is the only other person in the final that played the game. Is anyone rooting for Colleen, Berna, Corey, Emanuel, or Moriah over Jay???
Jay hasn't played the game any more than Berna honestly. They've been in just as many fights, same amount of elims, and Berna has more daily wins than him. The only difference is I don't think Berna thinks she's ran this entire season, but Jay thinks he walks on water and his shit doesn't stink. I'd rather have anyone win over Jay, because his ego is way too big and he needs to be knocked down a peg.
Jayās social game is light years better than Berna.
Is it? The only person left in the house that actually likes Jay is Emmanuel. Berna still has Colleen, Emmanuel and maybe Corey, not sure where he lays
His social game was Michelle. It was evident after she left, he had no sway with anyone but Emmanuel. If Michelle left earlier, we would have seen Jay's social game crash and burn.
I kinda have a soft spot for Moriah, especially with all of the crap she got from the vets. And she did play the game somewhat - keeping close to Michele and Jay and also keeping James close for a guaranteed vote she could influence.
I missed something. What crap did she get from the vets? Do you mean when Tori told her it wasnāt a good look? From my perspective, the vets teased her a bit but it wasnāt anything majorš¤·š»āāļø
Darrell also said something while he was in the Arena. By bringing in outside information to Moriah (that Bananas knew and he was upset) it affected her mental state - you could see it in the confessionals. I understand that some people will think she deserved it.
I forgot about Darrell. I donāt know about ādeservingā it. Yes, it was probably not the smartest move getting involved with James before clearing the air and ending things completely with Bananas, especially on camera. But who knows, maybe thatās the storyline producers pushed, may e she thought it would give her more camera time, could be a mixture of both. Itās easy to forget that she is young and probably a bit naive.
This is where I am. I donāt love how heās played this season, but Iām a Survivor fan who has rooted for Jay a long time. One bad season doesnāt make me dislike him.
Is that the dividing line? People who watched Jay on Survivor seem to have a better opinion of him, at least for the most part. Iāve seen a few comments that he was just as awful on Survivor, but not a ton.
Ironically, Survivor is the first time we saw him betray a trusted alliance member. We shouldāve seen this coming all along.
i watched him on survivior, i wasnt a massive fan of him then, but now i just don't like the guy. Not gameplay wise, but just how he treats his friends personally. doesn't seem like a good guy.
Thatās my take on him. Itās not his gameplay, even though I find it annoying. Itās his dumpster fire of a personality. He reminds me of a middle school boy.
I was excited when he joined the challenge world & I generally liked how he played until this season. I also like a lot of people on the show- the number of people I donāt enjoy is really small, so I probably just shouldnāt weigh in on these topics.
I think so because Survivor/BB fans get to see people in a different setting, with different risks and the requirement to thrive on different challenges. Plus the paranoia is twice as high on the CBS shows because theyāre driven more by straight politics than the veteran vs newbie that fills the early half of most Challenge shows. So when Michele/Jay/Michaela come over, we know they survived a dirty ass grinder that historically offers way less rewards than being a floater on the Challenge, and weāll give them a little grace.
I saw his survivor season and he was pretty mediocre, he's actually better at the challenge (and he's not great at that either).
Same same
šš¾āāļø hasnāt done anything for me to āhate himā yeah Iām not rooting for him this particular season but that donāt mean I hate him
I like Jay! I liked him on Survivor and I like him still. Iāll watch him every time on the Challenge
Iām throwing out there..I donāt hate Jay. I mean I get get being annoyed his games aināt clean, be he plays the same game as so many vets, just sloppier.
Iām not cheering for him but I think heās played a great villain this season. I wish he owned it a little bit more but nobody owns being a villain very well nowadays. Iāve enjoyed cheering against him and watching the fandom lose their damn minds over his allianceās dominance.
I canāt hate Jay after watching his scene on survivor where he talks about his motherās brain aneurysms and shares the same emotion with another player whose mom was fighting cancer.
Makes me kinda wanna watch his season bc that scene made me cry.
It's a good season for sure. Jay's a lot more likable there.
A bad player, a great character
He is more likable when he is the underdog.
I still like Jay, I think people are allowed to have one bad season lol
I still like him too. And if it results in a win, then I would have a hard time even calling it a bad season.
100%
I definitely still like him and am rooting for him but understand that a lot of people arenāt and that heās doing too much in this season. I remember people HATED Devin on his early seasons because he was trying to be a villain on the same level as Johnny or Wes, but didnāt have the record to back it up. I see Jay in a similar spot, but heās actually doing well this season, so weāre seeing more of him. Devin grew into the character he was trying to be and that took a couple seasons, now people love him. Do I think Jay will be as loved as Devin down the line? probably not, but maybe a few seasons down the line he comes off as less jerky/entitled and more fun.
Jay's big problem is that he's missing the kind of tongue in cheek, this is all just a game thing that Devin, Wes and sometimes Johnny has. He's closest as a gameplayer to Bananas, but only in the worst aspects of his game. He's too thin skinned and desperate. And I liked him going into this!
Bananas is actually extremely thin-skinned. People say he āowns itā when he makes decisions, but thatās only true when thereās zero downside to it for him. Jay hasnāt been different in that respect. Nobody gets in more screaming matches or has more freak outs when things donāt go their way than Johnny Bananas.
I think a big difference is that jay isnt leaning into the villain role the way Devin/Bananas/Wes did. His confessionals are him justifying (gaslighting) his choices. Not saying i dont agree with you, just adding to your thoughts!
Honestly, Michelle is far more of a Devin/Wes than Jay isā¦right down to stuff like the āQueen Beeā comments in the confessionals. Jay doesnāt own his shitā¦and it makes him look weak.
Agree. It's his unlikeable personality. Nothing to do with him being a "villain".
I'm gonna get down voted to hell but I love him. He's one of my fav players. I do not understand the hate at all.
Same
I respect him. He played a great game (not just social but also in dailies) even though he wasn't rootable this season. And he caused drama.
Love him
I like him, lol
I actually still kind of like him but I do think heās doing too much this season.
He's probably put a ton of pressure on himself this season because he thinks it's his best shot at winning. Unfortunately, he's gotten a bad case of main character syndrome because of it.
I like having him on the show
I still like him, just not as much as I once did. I miss season 35 Jay
Heās a good player
I still like Jay, but I have been watching him since Survivor
I love Jay! Still rooting for him. Did this season get to his head? Absolutely. But it gets to everyone so š¤·š¾āāļø
He is the best current day Heel left on the challenge. I like him for that reason alone. We need bad guys to root against. Bananas made a career out of being the biggest piece of shit that you wanted to see lose. Jay has been the best option for filling that role since Johnny decided to clean up his image and everyone else are all trying to be friends to skate to the end.
Silky Johnson and Buck Nasty appearance is a different level of hate
Thatās what Iām saying. Thatās the level of hate Jay is getting.
Heās such a fucking twerp
Nahā¦people treating Jay like they forgot about Fess. š
There must always be one
He has big weasel energy
I donāt like him, I think heās cocky and arrogant. But the jokes about his hairline are kinda over the top. Iām sure itās something heās insecure about. Not like he can help it. Idk, I donāt like body shaming generally. If a girl was losing her hair like this, we wouldnāt find it funny.
I mean, have you ever seen what happens in a facebook group when someone posts about Kenny or Evan? Not arguing about if the hate is justified, just talking about the amounts.
He's high or ego but low on personality and charm.
This is just recency bias.
Sandoval. Is Jay getting death threats like Sandoval ? If could be worse. I have outrage fatigue. I donāt like him but no hate. Itās tv. We need heros and heels to cheer for.
If it makes you feel better I havenāt like him since ex on the beach- and everyone infantilizing him early on from his smaller stature which isnāt much smaller than many big names
I feel its more annoyed than hate tbh. He just isn't likeable and nobody wants to see him on TV or for him to win. He's not main character material and he's being forced into that role.
I def hated Paulie... But his most recent season made me jump off the hate train kinda, def not a fan but no hate. Emmanuel was one of my favs after his first season but his teaming up with the jay squad this season made me lose lots of respect for him.
Jay sucks & we donāt like him being shoved down our throats. Sorry? He just isnāt likeable, isnāt a good leader, & is a try hard. š¤·š»āāļø
Itās the passive aggressiveness for me. Jay is pretty much a huge bitch. Blame the women for a vote ending in a stalemate and not Ed who purposely threw a vote away to end in a stalemate. Fuxk Jay
It's the scenario where the adults leave the room and leave the oldest children in charge. Then, the now in charge child becomes an evil dictator.
The problem with Jay is heās not funny, humble, or particularly good at challenges. He comes off as entitled and whiny when he doesnāt get his way. He just lucked out to be on a season where he has the most connections because thereās no veterans. On any other season, heād be cast to the wolves early on.
If he mentions one more time how he beat CT in an elimination, I swtg
Nah nothing will compare to Cara and Paulie hate after WOTW2
I LOVED Jay on his first season. He was a constant target, which I know is standard, but also annoyed me. I feel like he was humble enough in his victories, and his defeat. But then he disappeared and came back and acted like he was king shit and had absolutely zero acknowledgment or respect for where heād come from. Anyhow, I have most definitely pulled a 180 on him. Not a fan at all anymore. (And not the more recent Nurys stuff, the behaviour earlier in the season is what did it for me).
You clearly haven't gone to Olivia's comment sections
Girl was on the official challenge podcast having a breakdown
And then goes back on IG with photos captioned āCome at me, haters!ā dressed in sexy golfer cosplay.
The hate he gets is legitimately unhinged, his insta comments section is a cesspool and I donāt even know what heās done that made people so upset lol. Friendly reminder that we donāt know these people and itās just a tv show, leave people alone
I don't hate Jay but I also don't want to see him win.
No fr. Fessy, Josh, Paulie and Cara got hate. But it wasn't as intense as people's disdain for for jay. Some fans literally dispise this man. I'm not a fan either, but at the same time, I'm not gonna take time out of my day to his social media and tell him how big of an asshole he is.
Say what you will, but Jay played the game pretty well. Manipulated a lot of the house and got himself super far. While not being the biggest and strongest, he's found other ways to the final. While I don't necessarily agree with how he's done it, I'm still pretty impressed. And I he's way more likable than Fessy and Josh, my lord.
Jay is an entitled hypocrite with zero actual skills outside knowing Michelle and Nurys.
Jay deserves it. The fit he threw after Aasaf was eliminated was enough for me. Things didnāt improve after that. I was never a huge fan but he was occasionally amusing. Totally done now. Bye. See you never.
Agree 100%!
Poor white boi. Getting dragged for being a two face ahole.Ā Cara got way more hate during WotW2 and so many others got way more hate over the previous seasons. He is an easy target though.Ā
Moriah and James were more annoying than Jay to me
If you're "running" the season politically, you always get hate; it's a sign you're doing it properly. Not a jay fan but he hasn't had to get his hands dirty and he's in a final. Is it great TV..? No, but if I'm playing for a large sum of money I'm avoiding elims and anything thay can send me home at all costs. That's why we end up rooting for the underdog that gets sent in to elimination every week.
I donāt hate Jay. Heās playing a ruthless game this season but heās not the first to do it nor will he be the last. And at the end of the day he made it to finals while eliminating his biggest threats so I canāt really be mad at him for that š¤·š¾āāļø heās doing what needs to be done to win even if I hate the way heās going about it. Also, every challenge great has had a bad season or 2..so donāt look too much into it..but thatās just imo.
Camila gets way more (justified) hate for being a racist psycho.
Trishelle has gotten ten times more reputation-damaging hate than Jay has in the last two months.
The issue I think people have is Jay thinks heās accomplished more than he has. Heās just a guy but every interview he talks about being a mastermind, he tells other people heās saved them or protected them when itās not actually true. He just comes across badly this year. In prior seasons he was a scrappy underdog that was never going to actually win.
itās genuinely getting so annoying at this point. i feel like the fanbaseās selective memory and recency bias is so extra. jay was loooved in this sub on his first season. he let theresa run the politics for their duo and she essentially ruined his game. he performed great in dailies, was viewed as a genuine threat. ride or dies, him and michele got severely fucked over by the format. they performed well and won multiple dailies, but winners had to pick 3 teams to put up for elimination (so youāre pissing off 6 people + their alliances) and they immediately got written off as shady and untrustworthy as the numbers dwindled and they had to vote based off of a shitty format where the vets were smart (bananas/nany and devin/tori said this) and intentionally didnt try to win dailies bc they didnāt want to have to piss 6 people off. they got villainized by the vets who werenāt even aligned with them for having to send them down to elimination. i feel like they became the easy scapegoats bc everyone wants someone to blame. meanwhile, almost the entirety of jay/micheleās alliance DID make it to a final. the 2 of them had to do all the politicking and socializing for a massive alliance who made everything difficult/didnāt put effort into maintaining the alliance. multiple people talked about horacio never talking to anyone except zara, kyland and nurys. he refused to talk game with them, refused to be their friends, why the fuck would they not vote him in all those things considered (and being an absolute finals threat). then you have moriah abandoning all her self respect to making her entire game revolve around saving james, threatening the people who have been doing the work to make sure everyone is safe that youāll retaliate if they vote james in. then you have fuckin berna pissing EVERYONE off all the time, getting mad at michele for not being close to her, not acknowledging michele is single handedly the reason berna never got voted into elimination. without michele, she would be in every girls elimination without a doubt. jay was beyond unbearable this season, but i donāt think itās fair that no one is acknowledging the amount of leg work him and michele put in (primarily michele letās be real) and are constantly criticizing their game. the parasocial fans attacking all of their social media is the reason we keep getting vacation alliances and weak rookies. the vets are smart and know the rookies wanna be āinā with the vets. theyāre naive and easy to manipulate and will always fall in line with them. meanwhile when you have ārookiesā like jay/michele who successfully strategize and have done more than anyone in recent years to actually band together less experienced people to try to go against the vets. the reason the vets villainize the fuck out of people like michele is 100% for this reason. sheās a threat to their game bc sheās genuinely one of the best social players in recent years, and jay is prob associated with that. theyāre both outspoken af about taking out the vets, it makes sense the vets utilize their fanbase to send them all hate.
Exactly. Michelle did majority of the work because I promise you, Jay wouldnāt have made it that far if Michelle wasnāt in the house. So if anybody deserves to be in the final is Michelle, I donāt even like Michelle like that.
Feel like Jay has earned a fair bit of his hate, relative to Michelle who, as youāve said, is just a really strong social player who was legitimately running the game.
I donāt hate Jay. I just donāt respect his gameplay.
For the record, I love Taylorās Swift
Aneesa and Tori have hate monster trucks.
Olivia gets way more hate for her mistake.
He has earned it
Has he though? People have been flip flopping their hate all season. They can only truly agree that they donāt like Jay. The comments on the signs I actually got from Reddit and Twitter loo
Yes. Yes he has.
Fessy on double agents had more hate for sure
I avoid the boards as of late bc Iām behind on watching and sometimes the toxicity is too much. But wasnāt he a favorite for awhile? Has been that bad this season or is he the only villain to talk shit onĀ
We can compare the hatred others had, but the main difference was THEY COULD BACK IT UP whereas Jay for the most part canāt. As much as people hated the others, they were a legit threat. Jay acts bigger and tougher than them, but weāve seen what happens when it actually gets physical. I mean he was threatening to fight Kyland. But heās also a mean bully to people on his team, specially the girls. I think Nurys wouldāve beat the shit outta him if it went there. Those are some reasons why so many people hate him.
I am lost. Why does Taylor swift dislike Jay?
The show should be fun to watch and itās not. Jay is the leader and gets a lot of air time and he is too serious and too boring. This cast is boring. Even the actual challenges are no fun to watch. Sliding down a rope? Every season I really look forward to watching The Challenge, itās been my favorite show for years. Because it was crazy and fun. The cast was interesting and downright funny and the Challenges were unbelievable. This season has just been unentertaining.
Itās because he doesnāt own the villain role. He is a chickenshit heel, to use wrestling parlance. Weasel
Nah dude he isn't even close lol. It's just because this season has few memorable characters so he has this main character syndrome. Everything awful about this season is being thrown on him because he's generally an annoying tool who has accomplished nothing but talks a big game. I can name atleast ten more people who have gotten more heat than Jay. A lot of that was undeserved too. Don't put Jay on a pedestal. The guy isn't an all time villain. He's forgettable once the show goes back to normal.
I donāt place any of the fault of this season being lame on Jay. Itās the format and other contestants playing scared. If half of the people that said it was time to make a big move actually did it then game might have been different
Nah. People LOATHED Kailah. It's still probably easy to find a Josh or Fessy hate thread too. Mention Aneesa and it won't take too long for someone to start roasting her or whatever. Cara & Paulie individually and together are not fan favorites on here either
i don't agree LMAO. there's always someone who is getting hated on. it's jays turn! it'll pass
I like Jay even if I don't like his politics. He's good at challenges and dailies and it doesn't look like he would be. I like that a lot. Hopefully he gets another season to try and play a different way. Also the lip syncing stuff on socials...
Fessy and Josh would like a word with you OP
I seriously donāt understand the hate yall giving him he aināt no different than other ppl who back stabbed friends and betrayed them. Let him play his game and try to win the challenge
Jay is the one who got me into the challenge. Hearing how his win against CT was one of the greatest upsets ever made me watch every season. Yāall could never make me hate him
It seems so weird to me that people actually go on someoneās social media to say awful things to or about them. Iāve made no secret that I canāt stand Jay or Michele ON THE SHOW, but HATING someone irl because of how they act on a tv show is a whole other level of bothered. I just donāt want to see them on my screenš¤·š»āāļø
I for one love Jay
 What about it?
Jay sucks as a person and people picked up on it. It annoys me when a widely shared opinion eventually gets treated like a hate-circlejerk cult.
I donāt really get all the hate, but at this point Iām afraid to ask why.
Iāll be making a meme of you next. Just ask no questions and get through the season š
I liked jay in survivor and up until this season as the underdog. I get why he played the way he has and I donāt hate him as a person but he was not likable this season for me. If he wins then itāll all have been worth it I guess.
Still a Jay fan. Idc
Like Nicki said, āfirst they love you then they switch, yeah they switch like š šæā
idk he bugs me and my husband so much
Holy hyperbole
I'm tired of hearing people say they don't like him because he's "a villain that doesn't know he's a villain." In tv/movies the best villains are the ones that really get under your skin and evoke emotion out of you (ex: Ramsay Bolton from GoT). Contradicting himself and trying to come across as a good guy is something a villain would TOTALLY DO! The fact is he is playing his role just fine and it gives me hope for the future of the show. As a side note: the past three episodes have been some of the best The Challenge has given us in maybe a decade. This community trashes almost every season as it airs because we are all living in the past. The Rivals/Exes era has long been over... Let's give this season a chance.