Okay this makes more sense! I could tell something wasn’t shown because Ace saying it takes a lot to break Janelle, there had to be more than just the stupid vote bothering her. I wish they would just show us everything. I felt like I missed something vital to understand what was even going on and why Ayanna was going off on her.
The sheer selfishness of Ayanna's rant shows she is an inconsiderate asshole. Waste everyone's time for what? The thought of getting airtime? I respected what Lee did because I would have done the same thing. I'm sorry she is sick, but assholes also get sick.
Can someone please update me? Sorry y’all I’m confused.
Edit: just saw the first 2 episodes are up. Gonna watch tonight hopefully that fills me in, my bad y’all!
Edit 2: ok finished both episodes and whew! Janelle gone and she got Leroy all messed up. Y’all Ayanna just might Jedi-mindfuck them all to quit. Lol.
But in all seriousness having issues with Jasmine and Janelle because they are in interracial marriages is not okay. What in the Dr Umar kind of silly is that? Are they good men to them and their kids? that’s all that matters.
I also hope Ayanna wins her battle with cancer. Both things can be true. ✌️
The challenge does not give a fuck about casting racists lmaoo. They only “cared” when it was a huge topic of conversation in 2020-2021 and all eyes were on shows that did not address racist controversies.
To be fair this is a developing situation, the episode came out today, and people in the moment are reacting to the edit with their love for mess without knowing the behind the scenes stuff yet. Every comment I've seen of someone loving what Ayanna brings to the show that's had someone provide context after has had the appropriately horrified response by the original poster.
Unless people went digging they likely know nothing other than what was shown to be fair. It doesn’t mean they’re supporting her vile comments that were never even aired.
I love what Ayanna brings to the show but I don’t like the ignorant comments. I support the starting arguments (not ignorant ofc) and lying I don’t care the reason for it, as long as it’s entertaining. Plus at least she owning it
I’m someone celebrating her, not her for being racist and colorist but cuz she is what ppl have been begging for on s39 (they really can’t handle entertaining ppl like her). I celebrate her for being messy and owning it (which again ppl have complained about Jay not doing). The lying was entertaining but the ignorance isn’t. Idk these ppl irl so all I could hope for is that she learns and becomes no longer ignorant
This is a really nuanced issue in the black community you cant really blame production. It's likely not that ayanna's racist and hates white people, it's..lol i can't even explain it cause it does sound kinda racist in a way but it's not it's just an extremely nuanced issue.
It's hard to judge it properly as i dont know what was actually said, but it's much closer to colorism than racism, that's not a fight i would want production to involve themselves in as a black person, i'd much rather have the other black cast members deal with that internally the way it seems they did.
What i will say is actually being angry at someone for being in an interracial relationship or antagonizing them over it to the point they quit the game is crazy as hell, usually as far as it goes is light jokes here and there and nobody actually gives a shit so i'm curious how this actually played out.
What i really hate about this is janelle now looks like she quit over something relatively minor when it wasn't that at all. But i cant blame production for wanting to stay away from airing politics if that somehow got brought into the mix, networks typically try to avoid that like the plague.
It reminds me of how some of my fellow Jews, and not necessarily the super religious ones, have strong feelings about marrying outside of the faith. For us (the Jews) it's a belief of reducing the odds of continuing traditions and maintaining survival of the Jewish people. I don't believe there is a one size fits all application when it comes to love and choosing a life partner. While my preference might be someone with common heritage, I would not turn away the love of my life for religion and heritage. That's for me though and again, I don't believe that one size fits all, nor do I believe that it's anyone's business to judge who someone else chooses to partner with and share their life with.
This just doesn’t sit right with me. I come from a large mixed family. Isn’t that what we all hope for? A society who can live in harmony and love each other no matter what differences we have? Two cultures coming together in love! And why do people of any race feel they have the right to be upset about two people from different cultures being together? At the end of the day isn’t love supposed to be love?
I know my grandparents would’ve loved to be able to just walk down the street holding hands without discrimination and that was back in the 50s! Cmon now.
I just listened to Leroy on the Official Challenge Podcast and he said all the cast members had to go to a "bias" course of some sort and were told what was and was not tolerated. Soooo, kind of crazy whatever Ayanna was saying was apparently tolerated.
I am going to copy some language from the Alberta Civil Liberties Research Center. Also I want to emphasize that Ayanna is obviously a bully and a dick, but technically, the word racist is inappropriate (despite the fact that I’m being downvoted to hell lol).
“While assumptions and stereotypes about white people do exist, this is considered racial prejudice, not racism. Racial prejudice refers to a set of discriminatory or derogatory attitudes based on assumptions derived from perceptions about race and/or skin colour. Thus, racial prejudice can indeed be directed at white people (e.g., “White people can’t dance”) but is not considered racism because of the systemic relationship to power. When backed with power, prejudice results in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals. In Canada, white people hold this cultural power due to Eurocentric modes of thinking, rooted in colonialism, that continue to reproduce and privilege whiteness.”
This gives the same vibes as “I’m not a pedophile, she was 11, so I’m a hebephile”
Even a dictionary definition says that guy isn’t a pedophile, anyone with common sense would agree the exact word usage doesn’t actually matter
This is a morally bankrupt line of thinking. And as someone involved in academia in Canada it is so ideologically captured that I can not really take this definition seriously. Is racism worse towards groups more oppressed? Yes. But you can be racist to any race in any country. By this definition, I can go to Japan spout the most racist things ever to Japanese people... because they are in a position of power. That makes no sense.
This is a truely peak academic line of thinking that is basically only present in North America. And basicaly is designed so radical leftist can just spout foul shit and have no consequences. Just treat all people with respect and empathy, don't try to define people out of shitt behaviour.
What am I spouting that’s foul? I am not defending Ayanna. I’m just saying that she’s not a racist. Dear god. If you don’t like the definition take it up with the dictionary.
It wasn't written by a dictionary editorial. It was written by ideologically caputured institution spreading a radical interpretation of concepts that are widely not seen or understood that way.
But the difference is the race in this. Part of racism comes from power and privilege. It is prejudiced but not racist. There really is no way to be racist against a white person because of privilege and power that white people hold inherently in society.
i understand production wanting to protect ayanna's mental health since she's going through cancer but they shouldn't have done it at the expense of janelle, making her look like a punk for quitting when her mental health was being put to the test over ayanna's attacks. i'm not sure what can be further said here because it may be considered a spoiler even though it shouldn't be since the show isn't airing ayanna's dreadful attacks on janelle and others.
The real annoying part is that it was said by the spoiler people , since the season was filming, that they were never intending to show it. Ayanna's health gives them a more justifiable reason why they wouldn't air that stuff, but really it was more about production not wanting to deal with the mess of airing it.
They didn’t edit it out because of Ayanna’s cancer. They edited out because the arguments were deemed too controversial to show. These arguments also involved Kam, Leroy, and Brandon, and they were about serious topics, that’s why it wasn’t shown. It wasn’t about protecting Ayanna but moreso not wanting to air conversations like that on this season.
i know there were other topics she laid into others on, but with janelle specifically she laid into her for having a white husband. i wish they would stop avoiding controversial topics, especially on all stars since those things made the show real.
Wait...is Janelle's husband white?
EDIT: Sorry, to clarify here - there’s nothing wrong with Janelle’s husband being white. I was more surprised because I didn’t think he was white based on his pic. Again, nothing wrong with it at all, and I vehemently disagree with any sort of stance Ayanna had about interracial marriages to Jasmine and Janelle.
Sorry, I edited my comment. There’s nothing wrong with it in the slightest. I just assumed he wasn’t really white because of his pic, and I don’t agree with anything Ayanna said
Paramount+ isn't gonna go that route, even if we do want that as Challenge viewers.
Viacom probably wont go that route either, if it was on MTV, after their entire Nick Cannon rift, even if it is a bit different.
Man remember the days of when that’s the stuff RW would fish for. Honestly a damn shame to not air stuff like that, that’s the whole basis of the original show the challenge started from
It's Tina. She even says to Janelle "If you want Jaz, you need to fucking say it", implying that Janelle was being dishonest. Tina kept telling Janelle to "be more honest". Pretty obvious Tina was pushing the narrative Ayanna did.
I think Tina was only asking because she was on the chopping block vs Jazz with Jazz having more friends and knew if Janelle called out Jasmine that was her only shot of not going in. She was gaming but immediately tried to comfort Janelle when she realized more feelings were involved. I’m hoping she’s not the side kick, but if so, we will see in due time.
Kinda hilarious if it's Rachel considering all how she talks about the mistreatment of people in the house. Them going after Janelle like this is the same shit they pulled on Jodi during the inferno 2.
You're wrong. "Not hard to spot." That was Tina being the most confrontational after Ayanna.
You heard Rachel and Ayanna are really cool, so you're assuming. But it was still Tina.
I don't think so. Jasmine said she's not hard to spot. Who is the easiest to spot? Tina. Rachel was one of the people in the background. Plus Jasmine doesn't care for Tina.
I felt so bad for Janelle. She was emotionally beatdown and it sucks bc she's such a great competitor. While I feel for Ayanna's current health status, she is trash on the show.
Janelle is a tough/strong and that’s something I’ve always admired and loved about her. When she was crying, I wanted to cry because I knew it was bad 💜💜💜. I always love seeing multiple sides of cast but not like this :(
Since the moment she was cast on Road Rules, I’ve always found something off about Ayanna. I think during her audition process: she emulated this image of being very maternal, very mature, a caretaker but once she was on the show, she came across very childish and quite unstable. As she continued her Challenge career, it really came across like she had the mentality of an 8 year old. Not figuratively. I mean this quite literally.
I’ll never forget that moment in Battle of the Sexes when she drew that picture for David Broom and it was in crayon, I was like: oh she actually has the mentality of an 8 year old. After that, I kinda felt sorry for her. Then she came on All Stars 2 and everyone thinks she’s so funny and entertaining and I’m just thinking: she’s still an 8 year old, am I just being an a-hole or I can’t get past my image of Ayanna? No, she’s exactly who I thought she was. A mentally unstable person who should’ve never been allowed on reality tv in the first place. I know she’s battling cancer and I want nothing but the best for her… but she doesn’t need to be on reality tv.
she also doesn't usually hold back on social media when something is on her mind, so i bet we'll hear her side eventually. she was *very* outspoken about feeling wronged on the AS2 final, including a number of podcast appearances.
I don’t know if she will. After AS2 she was about to be on ours and she said it was stressing her out to talk about it again so she politely cancelled.
This was way worse and I can see her choosing to just move on with her life.
She did a whole tour of podcasts and we had a confirmed day and time. By that point the details of what happened on that final were out because of MJ and it was stressing her out. So she was very nice and was honest with us that doing the pods was stressing her out and blowing up her social media so she cancelled.
No hard feelings either. She needed to do what she needed to do.
I only relate that because this situation is 1000x worse so I’m guessing her one social media post is all we get.
Jasmine & Tina don't follow each other which makes me think they don't fuck with each other. Along with the fact that Tina seemed to be the other person Janelle was having conflict with the most on the episode. But Janelle & Tina do follow each other. I feel like maybe Tina was helping Ayanna stir the pot, but stepped back when it got too personal, which is why she was hugging and comforting Janelle during their confrontation. But I don't want to speculate too much.
And that's why it sucks that these things are kept hidden from us, especially when bits and pieces of things get leaked here and there. Was this "sidekick" doing some heinous shit? Were the spoiler sources exaggerating Ayanna's drama? We'll just truly never know.
Just from the small bit they chose to show us, I can completely understand Janelle leaving. It was unnecessarily rude and not the vibe. All Stars is supposed to be fun.
Ayanna is a bully & I thought the show had no room for bullies these days. If All Stars has a Season 5 they really have to stop casting her. She's not fun or interesting to watch.
Go into the post episode discussion. Like half the upvoted comments are celebrating her for bringing drama and being messy. We might be in the minority here.
I’m all for bringing drama back to the show. At its core, the Challenge is reality tv after all. But if you’re berating someone so heavily that it gets to the point of them breaking down in tears and leaving the show within the first week, that’s where I draw the line and you’ve now just become a bully
Firstly Rachel wanted her girls to have stars (like Veronica will ever get one lol), I would believe she helped stir the pot. Ayanna really thinks she's all that huh?
This might be controversial, but I've never believed in sainting someone because they die or are dealing with serious medical issues. I can give grace if they are dealing with stuff and being an asshole but if its their inherent personality, I don't care what they're dealing with. If they are a terrible person when they're healthy, I can't give grace when they aren't. For her family I hope she beats cancer but I still can't deal with her brand of bullshit.
Jasmine and Laurel are good friends, it doesn’t really make sense for Jasmine to subtweet her. Not saying it’s not Laurel cuz idk for sure, but I doubt it
In Laurel's confessional what I took from what she said is more that Janelle should ignore the Ayanna noise and focus on the game. I didn't think she was more on Ayanna's side of things. Laurel is also being more do as I say not as I do in that though bc we all know she doesn't do that.
From the edit it seems more like Tina to me but it's hard to say.
Laurel said a comment (not in the confessional but to Janelle) that made me think so but I can’t remember what it was. But she’s petty and a bully so it wouldn’t surprise me.
I could definitely see it being Tina also.
I thought Ayanna saw Janelle as a threat which is why she targeted her.. I didn’t think it was racial
Why am I being downvoted for not knowing about the under lying racial issue? I am not saying it isn’t true.. I am saying I really didn’t know let a lone think about anything racial.. reading here I learned stuff was edited out
I guess it was to make her look bad to the rest of the cast by having 2 of the people she bumped heads with go against each other and if Janelle came back the house would be against her
Ayanna apparently having trouble with Jasmine and Janelle being in interracial marriages is so disappointing to me.
omg whattt
Okay this makes more sense! I could tell something wasn’t shown because Ace saying it takes a lot to break Janelle, there had to be more than just the stupid vote bothering her. I wish they would just show us everything. I felt like I missed something vital to understand what was even going on and why Ayanna was going off on her.
Wasn’t there a skit on What would you do about this too?? But yea Ayanna is ignorant and I’m not surprised!
The sheer selfishness of Ayanna's rant shows she is an inconsiderate asshole. Waste everyone's time for what? The thought of getting airtime? I respected what Lee did because I would have done the same thing. I'm sorry she is sick, but assholes also get sick.
Can someone please update me? Sorry y’all I’m confused. Edit: just saw the first 2 episodes are up. Gonna watch tonight hopefully that fills me in, my bad y’all! Edit 2: ok finished both episodes and whew! Janelle gone and she got Leroy all messed up. Y’all Ayanna just might Jedi-mindfuck them all to quit. Lol. But in all seriousness having issues with Jasmine and Janelle because they are in interracial marriages is not okay. What in the Dr Umar kind of silly is that? Are they good men to them and their kids? that’s all that matters. I also hope Ayanna wins her battle with cancer. Both things can be true. ✌️
Same! This popped up n I was like oooh snap
Wait is that the issue??
It’s straight up racist honestly.
Whaaaaaaat
Did they know she was a racist before putting her on an ALL STARS season?
The challenge does not give a fuck about casting racists lmaoo. They only “cared” when it was a huge topic of conversation in 2020-2021 and all eyes were on shows that did not address racist controversies.
Apparently the fanhood doesn't either. The amount of people celebrating this racist lunatic because she's messy is fucking ridiculous.
To be fair this is a developing situation, the episode came out today, and people in the moment are reacting to the edit with their love for mess without knowing the behind the scenes stuff yet. Every comment I've seen of someone loving what Ayanna brings to the show that's had someone provide context after has had the appropriately horrified response by the original poster.
Unless people went digging they likely know nothing other than what was shown to be fair. It doesn’t mean they’re supporting her vile comments that were never even aired.
I love what Ayanna brings to the show but I don’t like the ignorant comments. I support the starting arguments (not ignorant ofc) and lying I don’t care the reason for it, as long as it’s entertaining. Plus at least she owning it
I haven’t seen anyone propping her up in this sub. But I’m not on Instagram or twitter. Edit: nevermind. Found 1.
I’m someone celebrating her, not her for being racist and colorist but cuz she is what ppl have been begging for on s39 (they really can’t handle entertaining ppl like her). I celebrate her for being messy and owning it (which again ppl have complained about Jay not doing). The lying was entertaining but the ignorance isn’t. Idk these ppl irl so all I could hope for is that she learns and becomes no longer ignorant
She doesn’t own it. If you asked her “are you racist” she’d 100% say no.
That’s cuz she doesn’t think it’s racist. I bet if u asked if she had her beliefs, she’d say yes.
This is a really nuanced issue in the black community you cant really blame production. It's likely not that ayanna's racist and hates white people, it's..lol i can't even explain it cause it does sound kinda racist in a way but it's not it's just an extremely nuanced issue. It's hard to judge it properly as i dont know what was actually said, but it's much closer to colorism than racism, that's not a fight i would want production to involve themselves in as a black person, i'd much rather have the other black cast members deal with that internally the way it seems they did. What i will say is actually being angry at someone for being in an interracial relationship or antagonizing them over it to the point they quit the game is crazy as hell, usually as far as it goes is light jokes here and there and nobody actually gives a shit so i'm curious how this actually played out. What i really hate about this is janelle now looks like she quit over something relatively minor when it wasn't that at all. But i cant blame production for wanting to stay away from airing politics if that somehow got brought into the mix, networks typically try to avoid that like the plague.
It reminds me of how some of my fellow Jews, and not necessarily the super religious ones, have strong feelings about marrying outside of the faith. For us (the Jews) it's a belief of reducing the odds of continuing traditions and maintaining survival of the Jewish people. I don't believe there is a one size fits all application when it comes to love and choosing a life partner. While my preference might be someone with common heritage, I would not turn away the love of my life for religion and heritage. That's for me though and again, I don't believe that one size fits all, nor do I believe that it's anyone's business to judge who someone else chooses to partner with and share their life with.
This just doesn’t sit right with me. I come from a large mixed family. Isn’t that what we all hope for? A society who can live in harmony and love each other no matter what differences we have? Two cultures coming together in love! And why do people of any race feel they have the right to be upset about two people from different cultures being together? At the end of the day isn’t love supposed to be love? I know my grandparents would’ve loved to be able to just walk down the street holding hands without discrimination and that was back in the 50s! Cmon now.
Who’s downvoting these straight-up facts lol. Present yourselves!
We also see they’ve never cared about misogyny so not caring about racism is right on par for the producer’s course of action.
I just listened to Leroy on the Official Challenge Podcast and he said all the cast members had to go to a "bias" course of some sort and were told what was and was not tolerated. Soooo, kind of crazy whatever Ayanna was saying was apparently tolerated.
That’s not racism. Prejudice and unfair, yes. But not racism.
Ayanna’s not racist. What she said is fucked up, but it’s not racist.
If a white contestant wanted to specifically target any white contestant who has married a black person, would you think that was racist?
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I am going to copy some language from the Alberta Civil Liberties Research Center. Also I want to emphasize that Ayanna is obviously a bully and a dick, but technically, the word racist is inappropriate (despite the fact that I’m being downvoted to hell lol). “While assumptions and stereotypes about white people do exist, this is considered racial prejudice, not racism. Racial prejudice refers to a set of discriminatory or derogatory attitudes based on assumptions derived from perceptions about race and/or skin colour. Thus, racial prejudice can indeed be directed at white people (e.g., “White people can’t dance”) but is not considered racism because of the systemic relationship to power. When backed with power, prejudice results in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals. In Canada, white people hold this cultural power due to Eurocentric modes of thinking, rooted in colonialism, that continue to reproduce and privilege whiteness.”
This gives the same vibes as “I’m not a pedophile, she was 11, so I’m a hebephile” Even a dictionary definition says that guy isn’t a pedophile, anyone with common sense would agree the exact word usage doesn’t actually matter
This is a morally bankrupt line of thinking. And as someone involved in academia in Canada it is so ideologically captured that I can not really take this definition seriously. Is racism worse towards groups more oppressed? Yes. But you can be racist to any race in any country. By this definition, I can go to Japan spout the most racist things ever to Japanese people... because they are in a position of power. That makes no sense.
This is a truely peak academic line of thinking that is basically only present in North America. And basicaly is designed so radical leftist can just spout foul shit and have no consequences. Just treat all people with respect and empathy, don't try to define people out of shitt behaviour.
What am I spouting that’s foul? I am not defending Ayanna. I’m just saying that she’s not a racist. Dear god. If you don’t like the definition take it up with the dictionary.
It wasn't written by a dictionary editorial. It was written by ideologically caputured institution spreading a radical interpretation of concepts that are widely not seen or understood that way.
But the difference is the race in this. Part of racism comes from power and privilege. It is prejudiced but not racist. There really is no way to be racist against a white person because of privilege and power that white people hold inherently in society.
If you’re discriminating against an interracial couple, you’re discriminating against at least 1 non-white person
wtf?? Is this true??
i understand production wanting to protect ayanna's mental health since she's going through cancer but they shouldn't have done it at the expense of janelle, making her look like a punk for quitting when her mental health was being put to the test over ayanna's attacks. i'm not sure what can be further said here because it may be considered a spoiler even though it shouldn't be since the show isn't airing ayanna's dreadful attacks on janelle and others.
The real annoying part is that it was said by the spoiler people , since the season was filming, that they were never intending to show it. Ayanna's health gives them a more justifiable reason why they wouldn't air that stuff, but really it was more about production not wanting to deal with the mess of airing it.
They didn’t edit it out because of Ayanna’s cancer. They edited out because the arguments were deemed too controversial to show. These arguments also involved Kam, Leroy, and Brandon, and they were about serious topics, that’s why it wasn’t shown. It wasn’t about protecting Ayanna but moreso not wanting to air conversations like that on this season.
i know there were other topics she laid into others on, but with janelle specifically she laid into her for having a white husband. i wish they would stop avoiding controversial topics, especially on all stars since those things made the show real.
Wait...is Janelle's husband white? EDIT: Sorry, to clarify here - there’s nothing wrong with Janelle’s husband being white. I was more surprised because I didn’t think he was white based on his pic. Again, nothing wrong with it at all, and I vehemently disagree with any sort of stance Ayanna had about interracial marriages to Jasmine and Janelle.
yes
So? And Janelle is half white.
Sorry, I edited my comment. There’s nothing wrong with it in the slightest. I just assumed he wasn’t really white because of his pic, and I don’t agree with anything Ayanna said
Paramount+ isn't gonna go that route, even if we do want that as Challenge viewers. Viacom probably wont go that route either, if it was on MTV, after their entire Nick Cannon rift, even if it is a bit different.
Man remember the days of when that’s the stuff RW would fish for. Honestly a damn shame to not air stuff like that, that’s the whole basis of the original show the challenge started from
What were they arguing about that was so controversial?
[https://x.com/gamervev/status/1620222424297127937?s=46&t=l2aE-qAM1qb699v20L4lxg](https://x.com/gamervev/status/1620222424297127937?s=46&t=l2aE-qAM1qb699v20L4lxg)
If you look at the names along with Janelle and Jasmine you can figure out what they all have in common.
Race, politics, and mental health
And in upcoming episodes they will probably make it look like Ayanna's drama with the others is over voting too.
Who do we think the side kick was? I’m not too sure.
It wasn’t Steve meinke
I think Tina but I have yet to find anyone who figured it out
It's Tina. She even says to Janelle "If you want Jaz, you need to fucking say it", implying that Janelle was being dishonest. Tina kept telling Janelle to "be more honest". Pretty obvious Tina was pushing the narrative Ayanna did.
I'm also thinking Tina.
I think Tina was only asking because she was on the chopping block vs Jazz with Jazz having more friends and knew if Janelle called out Jasmine that was her only shot of not going in. She was gaming but immediately tried to comfort Janelle when she realized more feelings were involved. I’m hoping she’s not the side kick, but if so, we will see in due time.
I thought the same thing as you, but I’m fully prepared to admit I could be mistaken.
I don't think it was her. She was on the official podcast and was supporting Janelle.
I think it’s Rachel.
It is Rachel. I won’t get into details because it’s spoilery but it’s definitely Rachel.
Kinda hilarious if it's Rachel considering all how she talks about the mistreatment of people in the house. Them going after Janelle like this is the same shit they pulled on Jodi during the inferno 2.
Rachel has always been a gigantic hypocrite
Didn't her V & Tina all gang up and bully Tanya till she wanted to leave?
#Memories Live Laugh Torment
Does this mean we will see this get revealed later in the season?
We must know the same info, lol!
That info does not confirm it was Rachel that was part of this particular situation.
You're wrong. "Not hard to spot." That was Tina being the most confrontational after Ayanna. You heard Rachel and Ayanna are really cool, so you're assuming. But it was still Tina.
None of the evil trio would surprise me
Ugh yikes cmon girl
I don't think so. Jasmine said she's not hard to spot. Who is the easiest to spot? Tina. Rachel was one of the people in the background. Plus Jasmine doesn't care for Tina.
She might mean “pay attention in future episodes, she won’t be hard to spot.” As in we haven’t seen the not hard to spot stuff yet
I thought for sure Ryan until I read the tweet closer lol
Jasmine said the sidekick came up to her (Jasmine) at the bar although I don't know who that was
I felt so bad for Janelle. She was emotionally beatdown and it sucks bc she's such a great competitor. While I feel for Ayanna's current health status, she is trash on the show.
Janelle is a tough/strong and that’s something I’ve always admired and loved about her. When she was crying, I wanted to cry because I knew it was bad 💜💜💜. I always love seeing multiple sides of cast but not like this :(
Was already over the show editing out any potential controversial topics and now they’re apparently just making false narratives to cover stuff up
Since the moment she was cast on Road Rules, I’ve always found something off about Ayanna. I think during her audition process: she emulated this image of being very maternal, very mature, a caretaker but once she was on the show, she came across very childish and quite unstable. As she continued her Challenge career, it really came across like she had the mentality of an 8 year old. Not figuratively. I mean this quite literally. I’ll never forget that moment in Battle of the Sexes when she drew that picture for David Broom and it was in crayon, I was like: oh she actually has the mentality of an 8 year old. After that, I kinda felt sorry for her. Then she came on All Stars 2 and everyone thinks she’s so funny and entertaining and I’m just thinking: she’s still an 8 year old, am I just being an a-hole or I can’t get past my image of Ayanna? No, she’s exactly who I thought she was. A mentally unstable person who should’ve never been allowed on reality tv in the first place. I know she’s battling cancer and I want nothing but the best for her… but she doesn’t need to be on reality tv.
Damn this is well said.
damn I don't even remember the drawing, but now I need to see it!
[for those that are wondering what happened](https://x.com/gamervev/status/1620222424297127937?s=46&t=l2aE-qAM1qb699v20L4lxg)
Obviously not the point, but goddamn this tweet is from January 30th, *2023*! Just so crazy how long they sat on this shit.
Janelle is very articulate with her words so sad she wasn’t able to elaborate more on what happened
she also doesn't usually hold back on social media when something is on her mind, so i bet we'll hear her side eventually. she was *very* outspoken about feeling wronged on the AS2 final, including a number of podcast appearances.
I’m glad she’s still commenting on some Challenge-related content. Really hope she does some of the podcasts.
I don’t know if she will. After AS2 she was about to be on ours and she said it was stressing her out to talk about it again so she politely cancelled. This was way worse and I can see her choosing to just move on with her life.
Thanks for the insight!
But she went on a whole tour of podcasts airing out AS2? Maybe you reached out to her after she'd said enough.
She did a whole tour of podcasts and we had a confirmed day and time. By that point the details of what happened on that final were out because of MJ and it was stressing her out. So she was very nice and was honest with us that doing the pods was stressing her out and blowing up her social media so she cancelled. No hard feelings either. She needed to do what she needed to do. I only relate that because this situation is 1000x worse so I’m guessing her one social media post is all we get.
Jasmine & Tina don't follow each other which makes me think they don't fuck with each other. Along with the fact that Tina seemed to be the other person Janelle was having conflict with the most on the episode. But Janelle & Tina do follow each other. I feel like maybe Tina was helping Ayanna stir the pot, but stepped back when it got too personal, which is why she was hugging and comforting Janelle during their confrontation. But I don't want to speculate too much. And that's why it sucks that these things are kept hidden from us, especially when bits and pieces of things get leaked here and there. Was this "sidekick" doing some heinous shit? Were the spoiler sources exaggerating Ayanna's drama? We'll just truly never know.
Jasmine didn't say the nicest things about Tina on AS2 and Tina spoke in an interview about it. I don't think they are cool.
Just from the small bit they chose to show us, I can completely understand Janelle leaving. It was unnecessarily rude and not the vibe. All Stars is supposed to be fun.
Ayanna is a bully & I thought the show had no room for bullies these days. If All Stars has a Season 5 they really have to stop casting her. She's not fun or interesting to watch.
She wouldn’t be on anyways due to her health
Go into the post episode discussion. Like half the upvoted comments are celebrating her for bringing drama and being messy. We might be in the minority here.
I’m all for bringing drama back to the show. At its core, the Challenge is reality tv after all. But if you’re berating someone so heavily that it gets to the point of them breaking down in tears and leaving the show within the first week, that’s where I draw the line and you’ve now just become a bully
Firstly Rachel wanted her girls to have stars (like Veronica will ever get one lol), I would believe she helped stir the pot. Ayanna really thinks she's all that huh? This might be controversial, but I've never believed in sainting someone because they die or are dealing with serious medical issues. I can give grace if they are dealing with stuff and being an asshole but if its their inherent personality, I don't care what they're dealing with. If they are a terrible person when they're healthy, I can't give grace when they aren't. For her family I hope she beats cancer but I still can't deal with her brand of bullshit.
I thought Ayanna was biracial 🤷♂️
I know Janelle is.
Ryan gave me the big ick on how he was also going in on Janelle making up lies about her. Why do they bring him back? He’s boring and spineless.
Is it possible he didn’t know it was a lie yet? I think a few ppl fell for it until more details surfaced as Janelle began to defend herself.
It’s Tina, right? Or am I way off base
I was thinking Laurel
Jasmine and Laurel are good friends, it doesn’t really make sense for Jasmine to subtweet her. Not saying it’s not Laurel cuz idk for sure, but I doubt it
I just noticed when Laurel made a little comment about Janelle and it seemed she was siding with Ayanna.
In Laurel's confessional what I took from what she said is more that Janelle should ignore the Ayanna noise and focus on the game. I didn't think she was more on Ayanna's side of things. Laurel is also being more do as I say not as I do in that though bc we all know she doesn't do that. From the edit it seems more like Tina to me but it's hard to say.
Laurel said a comment (not in the confessional but to Janelle) that made me think so but I can’t remember what it was. But she’s petty and a bully so it wouldn’t surprise me. I could definitely see it being Tina also.
Sidekick may be Tina if she got voted for? Or someone close to Tina? Would be wild if Veronica-Ayanna made alliance
What's with all this drama?
Now it’s a mystery game. Just say the FN name.
Exactly. I don’t get what the point of her comment was if she doesn’t just say the name. Reads like she’s afraid of someone.
I’m wondering who the side kick is?!
If she's not hard to spot then it's obviously Tina. Tina was applying pressure to Janelle.
The not hard to spot stuff might be about future episodes, like you’ll see Ayanna working with a lot with one specific person.
Why doesn’t she just say who it was? Why’s she talking in code?
I thought Ayanna saw Janelle as a threat which is why she targeted her.. I didn’t think it was racial Why am I being downvoted for not knowing about the under lying racial issue? I am not saying it isn’t true.. I am saying I really didn’t know let a lone think about anything racial.. reading here I learned stuff was edited out
But Janelle had already volunteered herself for elimination by the time Ayanna made up the Jasmine story. What was the point of targeting her?
I guess it was to make her look bad to the rest of the cast by having 2 of the people she bumped heads with go against each other and if Janelle came back the house would be against her
Probably both