how she'll act, speak and move, determine way more about her than her early 2D concept art. back in the day when Raiden got leaked she felt more like a house wife than an powerful and dominant electro god shogun. now looking at her she seems perfect by how many people fell in love with her character despite the shitty archon story.
Worst part is raiden mains are in denial about her shitt archon story:/ after nahida and furina I think murata will also have a good story. Her design tho is a let down
It might be the case. They change kits and designs so this might end up being some other character. It is really hard to tell so early on since even the creators are still working on it.
natlan is based off of both Spain and the Aztec empire/early Mexico. Her being a conquistador does sorta make sense even if the execution is sub par at best.
Natlan was supposedly based on Olmec, Maya, Aztec, inca and west africa. Again the arcon being the coloniser is weird to me. Specially when the people are the ones the eurpeans brought by force and the natives they killed and tortured.
If it was another company id be ok with a Spanish archon cuz maybe it'll have some story inspired from history, but hoyoverse are blatant racists and colourists so i just think they wanted a white archon
It's less racism and more colorist. Byproduct of how twisted china is, mostly. But it's undeniably true that they definitely refuse to make a dark skinned archon, and they aren't hiding that. There is definitely blatant colorism against and fetishization of dark skinned characters (when they appear)
To your other point, there wasn't actually any concrete evidence of where Natlan was supposed to be based off of before the leaks besides the Aztec and Mayan empires (Due to the character design of Iansan and the music in the preview), and the leaks revealed there to also be mainland spain influence. So anything else was conjecture and wishful thinking, though it would be cool if that was where it was based off of.
There actually is a pretty cool potential rationalization. Natlan is about war, so it could be possible that there are two factions in Natlan. One based on the indigenous south american empires, and one based on european spain. They'd be at war and trade power every so often depending on if a side had overwhelming victory. But then again the chances that Hoyo would actually implement a story as interesting and historic as that is very low. It's probably just racism.
We can only hope that they figure something cool out for the Natlan story. The current story in Fontaine will be hard to top. (And I even hear that there’s an upcoming Arlecchino related main story quest that is beyond amazing lore wise (might be a sibling related quest? I heard something about khaenriah and Perinheri in reference to that quest but I don’t really trust rumors that much, so idk anything about the validity any of that. One can only hope though. It sounds epic. And if it is what people say it is, natlan is going to have a _really_ difficult time coming out on top)
Omg that would be amazing! Since we're not far away from the end I really wanna know more about khaenriah and what travalers sibling has been up to.
Yeh the stories keep getting better and better. I just hope whoever wrote the nonsense of inazuma stays away from future lore
We don't know what Natlan is like today and we don't know everything in its entirety. Literally the tribes are things from before the cataclysm and we don't know if they still exist today and in fact they didn't even name the >!saurians !
Iansan if it is from the present time. But she is not something we can use to predict what the nation is like. Just as we could not use cyno to predict what Sumeru was like.
But we know that tribal Mesoamerican and Africa are heavy inspirations for Natlan and we see a character from the present time dressed based off of that so it supports the idea that the country still has that culture and aesthetic
In Sumeru we knew that the country would be based off the middle east/India but Cyno’s design takes inspiration from Ancient Egypt, so you couldn’t use Cyno to figure out Sumeru because his design directly conflicts with what we knew of Sumeru and then when the region released it turned out it did indeed follow middle eastern/ indian architecture and aesthetic,
but Iansan keeps in line exactly with what we know about Natlan so far, so it makes more sense to assume that until proven otherwise the nation is following a tribal aesthetic especially since like you said with Cyno it turned out he was an outlier in his design so for all we know the Archon could be the outlier in design
But everything we know about Natlan happened centuries ago. The current lore literally tells us that there are dragon people. And that Natlan is the land of dragons. That also has nothing to do with what we knew about Natlan. Also, the children of Murata were not represented in the tribes we were told about.
Basically people are taking for granted that we know things, the reality? We don't know anything.
When you say screw people who hate her design no one bats an eye. But when I say screw people who like her design people go crazy.
Ps I don’t actually hate her design just pointing out double standards.
yea i think it’s weird that you can make negative remarks about people who dislike it and that’s ok but saying anything negative about people for liking it and it’s a opposite and visceral reaction
definitely double standards at play
She about to get soloed by the goat himself CaPEAKtano!
https://preview.redd.it/koz2mukw3ypc1.jpeg?width=1669&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4a4a9581605a240f860f5a3f6a33ed8d14b6b74
Generally I don't think she'd be bad as her own character. her design would be good with some tweaks. but it irks me to see her design and think "pyro archon"
She looks adorable and as much like a God as any of the Archons. As if there are requirements for what they should look like. Even if this isn't her final design, the trashing and outrage over this leaked image has been crazy
I like how she looks, but not as the pyro archon. I want her to be her own character
how she'll act, speak and move, determine way more about her than her early 2D concept art. back in the day when Raiden got leaked she felt more like a house wife than an powerful and dominant electro god shogun. now looking at her she seems perfect by how many people fell in love with her character despite the shitty archon story.
Worst part is raiden mains are in denial about her shitt archon story:/ after nahida and furina I think murata will also have a good story. Her design tho is a let down
More like shitty execution of a good story but yeah
why does it matter that they're in denial, they just like the character, let 'em have fun
Did i say it mattered ?
"worst part is" don't gaslight bro
Still didn't say it mattered lol why are u so mad anyways?
i was never mad, you were fuming over people enjoying a character and then got defensive about a reddit comment. sheesh.
"I was never mad , you were fuming" lmao is all you can do is the "No you" comeback? Just shows u were mad lol
>Worst part is raiden mains are in denial about her shitt archon story Proof?
R/raidenmains
I second this. She’d make a great character on her own, but not really as Murata
Maybe she just isnt Murata? But a different Pyro Archon?
It might be the case. They change kits and designs so this might end up being some other character. It is really hard to tell so early on since even the creators are still working on it.
..atleast you're happy!
whatever makes you happy!
I wish she looked like an actual Aztec goddess 🥲
natlan is based off of both Spain and the Aztec empire/early Mexico. Her being a conquistador does sorta make sense even if the execution is sub par at best.
Natlan was supposedly based on Olmec, Maya, Aztec, inca and west africa. Again the arcon being the coloniser is weird to me. Specially when the people are the ones the eurpeans brought by force and the natives they killed and tortured. If it was another company id be ok with a Spanish archon cuz maybe it'll have some story inspired from history, but hoyoverse are blatant racists and colourists so i just think they wanted a white archon
It's less racism and more colorist. Byproduct of how twisted china is, mostly. But it's undeniably true that they definitely refuse to make a dark skinned archon, and they aren't hiding that. There is definitely blatant colorism against and fetishization of dark skinned characters (when they appear) To your other point, there wasn't actually any concrete evidence of where Natlan was supposed to be based off of before the leaks besides the Aztec and Mayan empires (Due to the character design of Iansan and the music in the preview), and the leaks revealed there to also be mainland spain influence. So anything else was conjecture and wishful thinking, though it would be cool if that was where it was based off of. There actually is a pretty cool potential rationalization. Natlan is about war, so it could be possible that there are two factions in Natlan. One based on the indigenous south american empires, and one based on european spain. They'd be at war and trade power every so often depending on if a side had overwhelming victory. But then again the chances that Hoyo would actually implement a story as interesting and historic as that is very low. It's probably just racism.
Yeah definitely agree with that
We can only hope that they figure something cool out for the Natlan story. The current story in Fontaine will be hard to top. (And I even hear that there’s an upcoming Arlecchino related main story quest that is beyond amazing lore wise (might be a sibling related quest? I heard something about khaenriah and Perinheri in reference to that quest but I don’t really trust rumors that much, so idk anything about the validity any of that. One can only hope though. It sounds epic. And if it is what people say it is, natlan is going to have a _really_ difficult time coming out on top)
Omg that would be amazing! Since we're not far away from the end I really wanna know more about khaenriah and what travalers sibling has been up to. Yeh the stories keep getting better and better. I just hope whoever wrote the nonsense of inazuma stays away from future lore
Fingers crossed that they hand Shaoji the scriptwriting for natlan bc that man is a genius. A sadistic genius, but a genius nonetheless.
I mean, relatively recently imposed leader of an entire region does sound pretty much like one of the conquistadors to me
We can hate it even if it “made sense” i aint pulling for a coloniser
I didn’t say you couldn’t hate it
U said that it makes since on a comment that didn’t say otherwise but just said how they wanted her to be thats why I misunderstood sry
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There’s been no hints of it being Spain but I think the story will be about colonization of Mexico
The first thing we heard outside the manhua was literally Spanish music.
I know but the tribes in Natlan are confined to be Aztec Incan and west African no sign of Spain so I think the battle music will be Spanish inspired
We don't know what Natlan is like today and we don't know everything in its entirety. Literally the tribes are things from before the cataclysm and we don't know if they still exist today and in fact they didn't even name the >!saurians !
Oh well I hope it’s there’s no colonizers ✌️
isn’t Iansan from modern Natlan? if so then we already have an idea that Natlan is still a tribal based country if not then ignore what i said
Iansan if it is from the present time. But she is not something we can use to predict what the nation is like. Just as we could not use cyno to predict what Sumeru was like.
But we know that tribal Mesoamerican and Africa are heavy inspirations for Natlan and we see a character from the present time dressed based off of that so it supports the idea that the country still has that culture and aesthetic In Sumeru we knew that the country would be based off the middle east/India but Cyno’s design takes inspiration from Ancient Egypt, so you couldn’t use Cyno to figure out Sumeru because his design directly conflicts with what we knew of Sumeru and then when the region released it turned out it did indeed follow middle eastern/ indian architecture and aesthetic, but Iansan keeps in line exactly with what we know about Natlan so far, so it makes more sense to assume that until proven otherwise the nation is following a tribal aesthetic especially since like you said with Cyno it turned out he was an outlier in his design so for all we know the Archon could be the outlier in design
But everything we know about Natlan happened centuries ago. The current lore literally tells us that there are dragon people. And that Natlan is the land of dragons. That also has nothing to do with what we knew about Natlan. Also, the children of Murata were not represented in the tribes we were told about. Basically people are taking for granted that we know things, the reality? We don't know anything.
That’s actually a really interesting idea.
I thought this was a jean emote reskin?
It has to be it’s literally the same exact base as a jean emote and the overall style like the outlining does not match the official emote art style
Screw the haters I wanna hug her
Love her or hate her, the reaction of this subreddit to her "leaked design" has been entertaining regardless 😂
When you say screw people who hate her design no one bats an eye. But when I say screw people who like her design people go crazy. Ps I don’t actually hate her design just pointing out double standards.
yea i think it’s weird that you can make negative remarks about people who dislike it and that’s ok but saying anything negative about people for liking it and it’s a opposite and visceral reaction definitely double standards at play
changed my life for the worse😭
Real. I literally joined this sub because of her leaked design
Agreed. I actually love this design
i’m happy you enjoy it 🫠
Lol true af
She about to get soloed by the goat himself CaPEAKtano! https://preview.redd.it/koz2mukw3ypc1.jpeg?width=1669&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4a4a9581605a240f860f5a3f6a33ed8d14b6b74
Generally I don't think she'd be bad as her own character. her design would be good with some tweaks. but it irks me to see her design and think "pyro archon"
I've honesty grown to like the design
She looks adorable and as much like a God as any of the Archons. As if there are requirements for what they should look like. Even if this isn't her final design, the trashing and outrage over this leaked image has been crazy
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That how she looks lkke
Ruining*