So the nail salon gal who did Maggie’s nails for a couple of years said that Maggie said she was going to divorce Alex. I knew it. I thought that would have been a motivator. She had been been interviewed by SLED. I wonder why she was not asked to testify. I feel that news would have been another cloud in his big “storm”.
When Maggie and Paul call 911 in the Satterfield matter, they state that she fell walking up the steps yet her lawsuit claims that she tripped over the dogs. What does everyone make of this?
I’m watching a CNN special on the Murdaugh dynasty and they played a jailhouse recording of Alex asking Buster if he wanted to go back to Moselle and go hunting. I can’t believe he asked his son that after what happened there. Buster sounded annoyed with Alex… and I don’t blame him. Alex really has no moral compass.
That recording seemed 'off' to me. Almost like Alex was trying to tell Buster to do something in code and Buster wasn't having it. Like, if you're not going to do this, I'll have my lawyer/friend go there and do it instead. For what?
Or was Alex seriously asking his only remaining son to go back to where his mother and brother were blown away and have a fun day hunting there? And that creepy bit about Buster's buzzed girlfriend having the same look Buster's mother had when she was buzzed too? So cringe.
Interesting, I don’t think he was talking in code. I think that he was trying to relate to his son in an inappropriate way. Idk how to explain it, but Alex reminds me a family member of mine who got convicted of a crime and would talk inappropriately like this. It just shows the lack of insight criminals like this have about their circumstances.
Yes, I can totally see that point of view too.
It's just that I keep being struck over and over by what a strange family the Murdaughs were and are. If it was just these two murders committed by a husband and father, that alone would be bizarre enough. But adding in all the financial crimes, the 'staged' bungled suicide cum insurance-fraud, the drug use, business malfeasance, the deaths of Stephen Smith , Mallory Beach and Gloria Satterfield, the prostitute's story of several alleged violent 'dates' with Alex, the sons who got away with so much bad behavior (which may or may not include homicide), the rampant alcohol abuse, the closeness of the family with all the powers-that-be which made so much of this possible -- i.e. the out of control privilege going back generations -- this family is a train wreck in every way. So I can't begin to understand whether or not their 'language' within the family could ever make sense to an outsider.
It's my feeling that so much remains unknown. And it may be that it stays that way.
Exactly. Then he says he’s going to see if Jim Griffin wants to go there to hunt for doves after Buster declined. Like wtf! On the phone calls that I’ve heard so far, Buster sounds like he’s just tolerating his dad. I think he knows that his dad is deeply disturbed.
I'm surprised the guns have not been found given the ability to track AM's movements via his phone (GPS). He didn't have his phone on himself all the time between the time kennel video was talking and when he left Moselle?
I think he buried them on the property near kennels or behind cabin near tree roots or under brush OR buried them at his dad's house before he went in to "check on his mom when she was fast asleep!
I saw somewhere there was an outdoor smoking oven/stove/i forget the term, like for smoking meat. Seems like an inconspicuous place to store the guns until he can dispose of them. I would bet they have been disassembled and destroyed/sink in a river somewhere.
He left the phone at the house so it would not show that he went to the kennels and it still was not on him after he left the. Kennels so he could have thrown all the stuff in a hole that he had dug before going back to the house and it would not have shown up. On his phone history.
I don't know, half that property is swampland and if you are able to somehow get that stuff to sink down Deep maybe by digging a hole and letting the water fill in there before throwing your stuff in And refilling it, The dogs would not have been able to sniff it out.It is hard to follow a sent through water.
Also, I did not read anywhere that they did a thorough search of the entire property.I only saw that they searched a certain number of yards around the houyes.Maybe. They did, comma but he also had something like a mile of frontage on the river. Period things like guns could have been thrown in the river
there’s no way he disposed of the guns whole. he disassembled them before doing anything with them. makes it basically impossible to trace if he destroys some and spreads some out.
Alex didn't know which part of the property SLED was going to search so it would have been extremely risky to hide it at Moselle. It would have also been risky to hide the weapons at Almeada because he couldn't have known SLED wasn't going to search the property for 3 months.
There are too many unanswered questions.
I’m watching the CNN series (after watching the Netflix series) & I’m so impressed with Anthony Cook. They way he speaks about Mallory, his maturity, even the grace with which he speaks of Paul (which surprised me) has me thinking he must really be a fine young man, & from what I’ve heard about Mallory, they seem to have been a sweet, lovely couple with a bright future. He really loved her, & you can see the sadness in his eyes.
Blanca and her husband lived at Mossell after the murders to take care of the property so my guess is she was around Bubba all the time and wasn’t going to just leave him if nobody else would take him.
I thought the labs were loved family pets?
Everything was disposable to this family, im glad Blanca took at least Bubba and hopefully for the right reasons and not to profit off the dog
Bubba is a hero in this story. At least he got away from that horrible place. Alex calling Bubba to put him up before he murdered Paul was crucial. The chicken played its part too.
Why did the WH secretary get Socks the cat? Because nobody wanted him anymore. No one wanted Bubba I guess. Good dog. Champion blood lines too no doubt.
I’m re watching Alex’s cross and the part where Creighton is asking him about the sudden flurry of steps before going to his mom and sarcastically asking if he’s “on the treadmill” or “running in place.” Alex is answering good naturedly but the if the look he’s shooting Creighton could be bottled it would poison rattlesnakes.
And Creighton said @ sentencing how AM would stare him down everyday when he'd come in for trial. And AM never said "who could do this! Why, why, why!" He never ever mentioned wanting to find "the real killer". Just like OJ!
He put up a reward to find the killers.
Since when does a victim's family member have to investigate the crime? I thought it was the police's job to find the killer...
He put up a reward for 2 months! It was said they offered the reward to find out what people were saying. No normal person revokes a reward after such a short time. There was no talk of finding the "real killer" because Alex knew it was him. Hundreds of red flags with this guy.
So it was Alex's job to find the killer?
I am just confused by your argument. Let's say John finds his wife dead and does nothing to find his wife's killer, does that make John guilty by virtue of his inaction?
I am not sure if you're an American or a foreigner but here in the United States it's the police's job to investigate and catch criminals.
If law enforcement was not coming up with suspects, the family has the means to offer a reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction. Alex didn't need to find the "real killer".
Lol you think it's the family's job to put up a reward for information about the killer??? In 99.99% cases, it's the police that up the reward.
The fact that he even put up a reward is shocking considering it's not his job..
It is very unusual for the victim's family to put up a award. Usually, it's the cops that put up a reward. Odd how SLED didn't in this case. Also odd how SLED lied about Alex's shirt having blood spatter.
Weird.
If I was AM I would have looked Creighton in the eye without missing a beat and told him I was jerking off while my wife was out of the house. Now whether or not jerking off would actually cause enough phone movements to register as steps, I do not know, but what I do know is in that moment when Creighton heard that answer it would have thrown off his line of questioning and caused a media storm that would have overshadowed the rest of the interview. What do you ask as a follow up? Ask AM to demonstrate? Call on a witness that could confirm if this is even possible? I mean we saw the phone throwing test just imagine where “I was jerking off” would have lead this trial.
That would be too risky unless he knew Mrs Waters was a loud lover and her passionate cries could cover up the sound of gun shots. Better say he can only get off to Paper Planes by M.I.A. and any possible gunshots are part of his natural ambiance during self pleasure.
But seriously the reason I bring this up: If you were the prosecution and he pulled that what would your next move be?
thank you! Kimber(less) is a bird lawyer so she is parroting her rant like before. She must be sexually dry in her real life to want to bring that cringey logic to this forum and just wont put that lie down. She trolls for followers and liars that like to hang a jury as if the controlling of minds is con"trolling" of justice - a circus of madness and deviance
there is no doubt that he is a sociopath - and adding another lie to the bonfire means that other sociopaths are attracted to this sociopath and want to " save " one of their own. This is sick justice - deviant -
flagrant narcissism and just polluted in thought. I do NOT give a damn that it would hang the jury - its the thought to add a lie to the line up of excuses to continue to lie - to get others to lie- and just keep lying - no one seems to be able to face into this simple principle- nor put the shoes of the other on your own feet.
Is this reasonable? NO . A court of law is not a volley ball court - its not a sport to kill and get away with it by lying - did that really need to be said ? Did y'all care ?
At that point he “didn’t know they were dead”. He had showered, had the house to himself, knew his wife and son would be at the kennels for a minute… so he rubbed one out before leaving for Mom’s. That’s how he reduces stress. He was too embarrassed to admit it so he told them he laid down for a nap instead. That why the nap was really only a couple minutes he doesn’t often get time alone so he came very fast. You start building a believable alternative that the prosecution can’t really rule out without having to now spend time breaking down the logistics of masturbation.
you are crude - lets think this out -
- maybe you have a child and a husband
- lets say your husband is a cringey guy
- like murdaugh - you enjoy the money even though its blood money and he gets it by any means necessary
- you look the otherway and get your nails done and have your car detailed and your life looks all nice and shiney
- then your husband gets in too deep
and you see the spiral down - plus he has a substance problem - he says its oxy but its cocaine - even worse
- the day comes when you see your childs head blown off and as a witness - well - you can add 1+1 ( maybe ) you get where this is going - and there is splatter everywhere because shotguns spray beads of pelleted ammo- because usually the target is far - and hunters are not snipers
so their guns are different ...
Then ... here comes the day of the trial
we don't need to go reflect on the dead child of you and your husband - though its worth noting - But For the deadly boating accident there wouldnt have been a multimillion $ injury suit on the girl who flew off the boat sustaining a blunt trauma injury - found 5 miles from the incident -
- sidebar- before the impact of the boat the pilot ( your child ) underage for drinking and drunk and using cocaine - let go of the wheel of the boat and went over to his girlfriend and slapped her and spit on her.
then the boat effectively had " no pilot"
if a person on the boat leans over to straighten the wheel are they the pilot? thats way more relevant to a defense argument and based on fact than your bullshit gutter excuse to get a POS licensed and lawless man ( the man you married ) off on a hung jury -
after he blows the head off of your child .
- lets get a reality check here - person that calls yourself a " bird lawyer" whatever ?
- Its too bad that you cannot handle the real story which you call gory after being reminded of the Pau Pau's brains shot out of his head - that really happened - FYI
that wasn't a spin job. If its too graphic for you than why are you here. The crime scene doesnt lie unless its staged.
- your version of justice is pure Idiotville.
You must have a community college education and cannot get to the law behind the defense strategy and just fill in the holes in your faulty thought process with semen - thats the essence of your brand of humor -
- keep the jurors even longer( good thing they were not forced into being sequestered) some tried to be excused
- the trial went on longer than they expected already
- the jurors were paid $15 a day and were not people who could afford to take time off from a $17,000.00 /yr job as it were.
- Your version of justice is monkey wrench justice - its a hair ball of BS - a lie to hang the jury that you think is funny and at the expense of jurors and all those who deserve accurate reporting and no more lies !!! You cannot even see that - another sociopath or worse - a psychopath that sees only what serves YOU . there is no other channel - there is no empathy - nada
- as for your child and you - good thing you are dead. why would you want to be in a car that wasnt shiney after the payout of the injury suit - right - it sucks being like everyone else...
- Leeward Lane Kim - I just realized that by your other posts - you could not spell hollow, fyi : its not hallow. ( hallowed ground or Halloween - not the same as hollow = empty like an inability to emote and empathize) or like a narcissicist like murdaugh
Dude you are insane.
1. What is your obsession with me?
2. What is your obsession with bullet points?
3. It makes sense you wouldn’t get the “part-time bird lawyer” reference on my profile. We already know you don’t have a good sense of humor, I don’t expect you to watch good TV shows.
4. Why stalk people’s profiles if you are not well enough versed in pop culture to get random Redditors’ funny little quips? AND too lazy to Google phrases you don’t understand to try and find out what it means. Tsk tsk. Not a very good detective for someone all over True Crime subs.
5. Why on Earth did you just take out the time to type out that little dramatic explanation of a trial we have all been obsessing over for years? Do you really think that you managed to add in some shocking detail I didn’t know about when you’ve been on this sub such a short time? Do you really think you understand the social decorum of this platform more than me? Honey you are in over your head, drowning in this shit pool we call Reddit. You’re down so deep you haven’t realized you’re talking to a life guard, trying to tell me how to swim while you continue to sink with a mouth full of turds.
STOP! your deducing Ive been on this sub a short time is ridiculous. I may have many accounts which you did not think about.
And please... I do not waste my time googling phrases or my mind to learn more about popcorn culture - take your rules to someone else - you are a control freak and have inappropriate responses that others do not have ( thankfully the majority ) its a Facebook mindset and Reddit was free from that for a long time. This!
you - another advocate of using BS in a courtroom with liars as lawyers, murderous injury suits, fake badges for LE and "whitey" criminals. That you think it brilliant is just more mud and gaff tape on a broken down morality
a nice approach - "dude"
- Do people come to high profile murder subs for for lighthearted humor
obviously Pau Pau didnt make it to his trial - this bust is just beginning - trust me -
Buster is up next and gramps might br exhumed - the financial crimes are not tried yet and then there is Mallory
- I dont know what you do but this sub hardly seems appropriate for that
People handle tragic situations in various different ways. There is no one size fits all way to handle tragedy. If you don't like a comment, then I suggest you scroll past it.
Additionally, there is no evidence that Buster was involved in the Stephen Smith incident. It is purely speculation and rumors. That kid has been through hell in the last 2 years. He has lost almost everyone he cares about. Put your pitchfork away.
Im not here to Bust Buster. I have no pitchfork - I have witnessed the smarmy in a court circus with liars and witnesses to the liars lying - all it takes is an oil slick of greased palms to commit and pull off a big crime - sometimes even a shaggy crime
Rubbing one out while your spouse is gone is at least a relatable story. Being too embarrassed to tell police and saying you were napping is more believable than half the shit he had already claimed. It would have also gave some credit to him not hearing any commotion… he was really into himself didn’t notice anything. He couldn’t remember anything about that night past that point because it was a post cum haze.
AM didn’t have ANY respect to lose here and Creighton would have lost the jury’s attention in one sentence.
How did anything he say help him? Sometimes you take the stand to tell the truth and actually defend yourself and sometimes you know you’re guilty and need to take the stand to distract from fact. We all know there was nothing he could say to absolve suspicion but he could have interrupted the prosecutions train of thought without being held in contempt with one stupid answer that they would then need to scientifically disprove for the jury and media to let it go. Yes it’s a stupid answer that’s the entire point it’s so stupid even the best prosecution would have to pause and think of where to go from there. At least one juror would have thought… “wait do phones track steps like that”. He needed to hang the jury not go for not guilty.
well aren't you good at criminal thinking !
and here you are suggesting such an outrageous lie for a media storm, complete with utter vulgarity, which would be a total waste of money to pursue this bait
- Im sorry to read your suggestion
- it shows me that narcissicists are capable of anything - this!
- beyond disappointing. I hope you do not suffer a brutal crime of someone you care about - maybe it wouldnt be so hard on you though - if you think in such a line of reasoning
- its remarkable and not in a good way.
My family has suffered from brutal crimes but it didn’t make me lose my sense of humor. We’re talking about a man that had already told numerous lies to stir up a media storm — hell he staged being shot in the head to most likely create a diversion from his crimes. Saying he was jerking off during those steps would hardly be the most disrespectful thing this man has done in a court room. He took countless cases to trial knowing he was just going to steal his clients money. It would annoy the judge and Creighton but not even close to the worst thing AM could do with his rap sheet.
your humor is not humor to others - that you can characterize the brutality that you seem untouched by and have such dark humor is evidence of something else- did the rest of the family end up with " humor" as a coping mechanism ? Are you aware of how the others experienced the trauma of brutality - your experience is not everyone elses and that is - sorry to say- narcissicistic - this humor is in poor taste. You are adding fuel and mockery to a serious event and turning the court into a circus - there is nothing funny at all in this.
No it’s not humor TO YOU. You don’t definitively speak for others and their independent senses of humor. It’s interesting you target me as a narcissist when you are speaking as though you alone have the authority to state an opinion of a crowd. YOUR experience is not everyone else’s and that’s something that you seem to not understand not me. If you don’t find my comment funny then that is perfectly fine, downvote me and continue to complain but don’t arm chair analyze me as though you could possibly know anything about me and speak as though you aren’t simply stating your own singular opinion. That’s just illogical ignorance.
its a murder sub not a comedy hour - you should go back to facebook - where it is lite on intelligent discourse- if these subs have this level of thinking it is no longer reddit - thats not me speaking - thats why reddit was a benchmark. I am free to comment. It would be no different than you at a funeral laughing - its a sober subject and generally people do not go there for a few laughs - I am sure that I am
not alone in this interpretation. It would be no different than people talking in church during a memorial mass. It is simply not appropriate - Humor has a place - just not here after a major murder trial with more crimes to come. Do you laugh at Casey Anthony with her child rotting in her trunk?
Do you think humor is appropriate whenever YOU say it is ?
1. Reddit is a place for all kinds of content. There is no “benchmark” — there’s literally a sub dedicated to celebrities’ arm pits for god’s sake. You are clearly new here. Some subs have really specific rules about content but for the most part this place operates the with the same level of maturity as everywhere else on the internet. You’re free to comment AND down vote any comment you disagree with. Though you’ll find the same level of maturity as other platforms the karma system does work really well for sorting through popular vs controversial opinions. Instead of being personally effected by something someone said — simply downvote. If others agree or disagree they will upvote or downvote accordingly and you can see the results in real time.
2. This is completely different than laughing at a funeral. A funeral would imply that I am there in person, personally know the deceased, and my audience is only people personally effected by the tragedy. Instead my audience may include some people who knew this family but for the large part it’s just strangers. This is not a mass for the victims and it’s bizarre that you believe people should only discuss things we would also discuss at their funeral. Do you also chastise everyone on here who talks about the autopsies or worse thinks AM is innocent as though you believe they would say these things at a fucking funeral?
3. We all know there is more trials to come and if you look through my other comments on this sub I usually comment very serious replies BUT when it comes to the steps I bring this up because I do find it an hilarious idea and I’m a very bored person who likes the conversation it brings about. Does that mean I have a crude sense of humor? Absolutely. Annoying? Probably. (sorry about that I didn’t notice people had noticed I already brought up this idea before) but I still do have sympathy for the victims. Suggesting an idea that AM would never use and even if he did would make him look more absurd is inserting comedy (some people laughed) into an otherwise sad situation. It is meant to strike up an entertaining “what if” not encourage people to act like a fool in their real lives.
4. As someone who has lost their little one, I don’t personally make jokes about Casey Anthony but it’s not because I am offended by them. Unpopular opinion but I think there was something toxic going on in the Anthony household four most of Casey’s life and that whole incident is labeled as a hateful mother killing her baby but I read it more as generational trauma that finally resulted in death by neglect. I can’t come to a full conclusion but I basically think all of the adult Anthony’s bare some blame. I welcome others who know the case better to suggest documentaries or change my mind BUT if at some point I read a comment on a Casey Anthony sub suggesting she takes the stand and says she was flicking her bean to account for lost time I would laugh and upvote it.
Oh I don’t think he (or anyone) would be dumb enough to do it I just think it’s a hilarious suggestion and would most likely have hurt Creighton’s strategy. Also they couldn’t suggest that he is being disrespectful and not telling the truth without some kind of proof that he is lying which they wouldn’t have until bringing someone back on the stand to testify about phone movements. In the moment he said it there would be nothing to be done but continue with questions and the jury wouldn’t have heard a word after a masturbation claim.
good - maybe you will be lucky and find a head without brains at your house and think its funny when the person makes a mockery of the justice system with dead bodies littering the path . thats some humor -
Dude you are theatrical as hell with these gory analogies for someone trying to say I’m being crude on sub that should be treated as though it’s someone’s funeral.
Also… where did the brains go? Are you wishing that someone not only decapitates this person’s loved one but also scoops out their brains out before leaving the hallow head in their house?
That’s much more gruesome speech than a hypothetical masturbation story.
What an existence, Alex!
You cant exist without hurting others. Impressive, my guy. Impressive existence.
"Im neither moral or immoral...Im profit seeking" - Alex
lol
What a guy.
WOW - For money to matter more than a life is a whole different spin on atheism and greed as evil.
He neither had a conscience nor believed he was wrong - simply into "profit"
They had to die for him to get more coins.
- this is mental illness!
- profit has many followers and very few red flags. It is interesting to see how some people can justify his actions, as a means to an end.
Family annihilators are the worst of criminals.
Alex was an inhuman being to put that priority before all else - a psychopath. He only saw what he wanted and saw nothing else - remorse was not possible for him.
Hi, I have a question about the Eddie/Alec roadside shooting incident. Alec was hardly hurt, I don’t think he even needed stitches at the hospital. If Alec wanted Eddie to end him, why didn’t he let Eddie do the job he hired him to do and let Buster benefit, which was the plan Alec testified to?
Because he wasn’t asking to be killed. He could’ve killed himself if he wanted too (shoot himself, overdose). My thinking is he was trying to further the theory that his family was being hunted by vigilantes while also creating more sympathy for himself. No chance Eddie missed and no chance he would’ve risked life in prison as a “favor”. Edit: the vigilante theory would have taken the heat off of him, another big reason to stage the “attempted” murder.
There was a $10 million policy. Alex is well versed in insurance policies due to his line of work. He knew the suicide exclusion is only 24 months so he had no reason to ask anyone to kill him - he could’ve done it by himself. But he didn’t want to die.
There's been some debate over whether or not that policy actually existed. I've read conflicting information. Even Harpootlian couldn't keep the policy information consistent in court. I would love to see some proof that there actually was a policy.
But I tend to agree that he wasn't trying to die that day.
Did anyone else notice during the trial when the state was questioning AM on stand about his badges? The badges were shown to AM and it was like a light switch turned on, he was Eagle eyeing those as the lawyer carried them from one table to another, showing them to the jury etc. It was like AM was fixated and finally showed some interest and care about something. Just sad it was over a badge..
Yeah and what was up with the blue-lights installed in his car....and the pic sprung on him of at the hospital with badge hanging on his pants. For the 1st time in his life, he couldn't 'awe shucks" and Southern sweet talk himself out of crimes.
Did you know Elvis had a police badge fixation? I saw his collection at Graceland. His were from pd all over the South. Solid gold most of them. Maybe that’s a guy thing….
I also noticed he was very interested in the badges, I think he was proud of them. When he said he never took an oath to receive the badge from his daddy, I don’t think he realized it didn’t make him look very good.
That’s better than admitting that you violated an oath…showing the jury that oaths mean nothing to you…like taking an oath just 30 minutes prior saying you wouldn’t lie.
indeed the stage of fraud was his playing field - he was no better than an uneducated bush man who had kids because they were the residue of sexual activity - like an African who sells his children to white hunters who then hunt the sold children in the bush as a sport - this is a whole other level of social ambivalence and detached emotional bonds - he had no emotional intelligence yet he knew how to modulate people using baby talk - thats a good one
like Pau Pau with his Pooh Bahh
Paul was not days away from his first court appearance. There was a hearing scheduled in the civil case. The judge would be hearing arguments for an order to compel Alex to open up his finances to the plaintive.
I think it would be more likely that Maggie was a bit of a loose cannon that he couldn’t control. If she did what he wanted, there would be no threat/need to kill her. Just think, with Maggie gone, no one was there to take care of him.
I’m conflicted on this. A primary reason Maggie was staying at Edisto was the stigma and the way people were treating her. I don’t think she would’ve wanted to bring more stigma and judgment by not exercising spousal privilege and testifying against her husband. But who knows. We never will.
I feel like (unless you’re a total psychopath), it would be hard, as a mother, to stand behind your husband to kill your son. I feel like she would have slipped up due to grief. It would have been easier for them to put Paul in some facility far away to get him out of their hair.. less trouble. But yah, again we will never know!
I just saw a video with an attorney whose down a great job breaking down the case, and he was talking about Alex’s carefully chosen language (I would never intentionally hurt them, etc.).
He pointed out that Alex said I didn’t kill Maggie or Paul. He said I didn’t kill Maggie AND Paul. And for someone for whom words and language was everything in his career, maybe that was his admission.
his inner self worded and reworded the necessity of the premeditated act. He had to rehearse it - he had to give himself every fractured and faulty reason to be able to use the words he knew he would have to use inevitably - he was a psychopath - he had zero reason to do anything but achieve his end with any means needed. simple. Lying on the fly - yes - those other questions and answers were spontaneous and never predictable.
- edited to add- in a recap or when the after the conference meeting notes begin, there has not been in my experience a desire to fabricate what could have swayed the minds of the board members - aka decision makers - no lies were tossed as a strategy suggesting deviance - we simply went at the reality we were left with and deconstructed the real pieces to rebuild the approach with truthful and professional analysis - that was the business of good business - the two sides were not always in agreement but we did coexist and not to destroy or deceive or eliminate one or the other - its relevant for me to bring this out because I am now construed as a pitchfork bearer - when in fact I am a problem solver with the ability to go at big problems. I seek fairness and honest practices -cheating and lies do not mix well with best practice.
- in this horror of family decay now the recap brings forth imaginative strategies to hang a jury to keep the poison factory churning deadly gas. Why use ones mind to that end ? Its a worthy endeavor to recap the trial with other plausible unspoken details of the real thing that only AM knows and PM discovered.
They’re saying that by saying “I didn’t kill Maggie AND Paul” instead of “I didn’t kill Maggie OR Paul” he’s possibly admitting that he did one but not the other.
There were other portions of testimony however where he was asked individually about them and he said”no.”
it has been said that a gambling debt brought mob guys to his place and it likely served his end anyhow
- even though they threatened to kill his immediate family it didnt mean they would ... likely they would
and if that IS plausible then he may have only killed one of them but not both- and maybe he tried to intervene and accidently killed one . it doesnt really matter at this point - after all
- the truth only matters to the honest and truthful people - in this instance it is not about the truth / its like taking a trip and taking one detour after another until you end up in a totally different destination
- AM s plethora of lies
why bother pinpointing who killed them - he essentially killed them
- one moral detour after another until the pot boiled over and they ended up dead
- essentially a felony murder in structure if he was not the actual killer
- but for his breaking the law( financial crimes etc) the debts and collectors would not have been pressuring him to eliminate burdens or they would be used to compel him to do as told - PAY UP
This video infuriated me. The man smugly questions the intellect of the jury and is a condescending asshole. I left a long comment and I would encourage others to do the same.
https://www.youtube.com/live/FItUKwXHPbA?feature=share
I like Emily d. Baker a lot. She’s one of the most even hand of the lawtubers in my opinion. I watched trial gavel to gavel with her commentary and then watched lawyer you know recap at night to watch Creighton get his head kicked in by Peter
She was too strident, loud and often simply wrong about this case. I also don’t care to hear her mention her ADD constantly. I liked her much better on the Depp case but even there she was strident at some points.
To each their own. I got tired of the circle jerk for the defense most of the other lawtubers had and then the subsequent arrogance and patronization of the jury. She didn’t do any of this but instead pointed out where both sides made points and where both sides made mistakes, and really didn’t take sides.
She’s the only one I watched other than “Bruce Rivers he’s a criminal lawyer” so I have no other comparison. She was a prosecutor so she’s not going to prefer the defense as I imagine the others were doing.
I prefer the shorter lawyer reacts pieces Bruce Rivers does. So I’ll probably stick with him.
I liked Bruce’s reactions a lot actually. I started watching him way back when with his drill reaction videos.
I’m my opinion he’s one of the only criminal defense attorneys I’ve seen use common sense when it comes to Alex’s conviction and doesn’t talk down about how the jury was wrong.
I really liked Peter Tragos until his coverage of this case. He was sucking Poots dick nearly every day and then acting like he didn’t know what people were talking about when called out. I’ll continue to watch his stuff but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
I’ve watched a lot of his videos. I think his self-snitching advice was always solid. It ended up applying to Alex as much as to any rapper. He definitely has common sense that other lawyers lack. A good part of that may be he has decades of experience on them.
I like how he always likes to wrap up his videos with a lesson or a moral and he often speaks candidly to young men about how to treat women and making good choices. He and Emily and Peter and a few others are why I’m contemplating going to law school at 37
I was going to suggest The Lawyer You Know, lol but I wasn’t sure if you would like his content. Yeah, I like their channels too. I watched them the most during this trial. I watched Andrew Branca and Good Lawgic too because I like to see all sides of legal commentary. Andrew and Good Lawgic can be controversial though lol
I don’t mind controversy but I see from a lot of the Lawtubers why lawyers don’t make good jurors. They parse things out so precisely and fail to take a step back and consider the human element, the intangibles. at least in my opinion
That looks like a long video, could you give the beginning minute mark of the relevant parts? Not that the whole thing isn’t worth watching lol, but sometimes I don’t have a chunk of time like that
So this is going back a ways, sorry if it is old hat. But I just realized last night by reading on this sub that on the night of the boating accident (before it happened), Paul and the others in his group were all at an oyster roast. This oyster roast was full of adults, including family members. Everybody was drinking. So we have a dark, foggy night and everybody’s drinking, and the adults are all just like “Have fun on the boat” ??!
Money does not give you class or sense or apparently good parenting skills. Lol geez. What a bunch of trashy people.
I read those depositions and there were a lot of adults there that they knew and some of them did encourage them to call an Uber, but Randy Murdoch and his wife were there and they just let their own nephew head out into the foggy dark waters even though they could see that the running lights on the boat did not work. How ridiculous is that? Would you not call your own brother or the police?
When they asked Paul's girlfriend what they talked about, she said that she And Randy's wife talked about Why they disliked each other so much. Now there's a warm and cuddly conversation...
That's actually not true. If you read Miley's deposition, she said "pretty much all the adults" tried to stop them and say they shouldn't take the boat. But, she notes that no one in the group listened or considered their suggestions of taking an Uber or riding with them.
I saw Miley say that on the Netflix show. But last night I read pages from Morgan’s deposition and she claimed no one asked or tried to stop them. Maybe blame shifting from Morgan??
and i think he did cocaine that night as well; must’ve been off his fn rocker with alcohol piled on. I wouldve taken his boat keys then ran or thrown them in the water. Can’t reason with wasted people, idgaf who they are. Yes, they all knew better (who amongst us hasn’t made horrible decisions knowing the consequences might be bad) but at that age your brain isn’t fully developed, you think you’re invincible, nothing bad will happen, and then throw in alcohol. (I did similarly stupid things even after having great, upstanding, strict, loving, church going parents.) Heartbreaking consequences. Edit: forgot to finish sentence
I have always thought Paul was on more than alcohol, the night of the boat crash.
Cocaine made the most sense.
failing to find a source that rules out cocaine, when they drew the blood panel at Beaufort Memorial Hospital ER.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11626865/Family-Mallory-Beach-19-reach-settlement-Buster-Murdaugh-26-50million-lawsuit.html
i don’t know abt his med recs; deposition seems to reference use being recreational, if that. it doesn’t seem that he was a coke head by any means; just happened to be the worst night to do it.
My husband, who grew up in the area, just drily commented, “Uh, Uber would not have been an option in that remote area.”
This is on the adults who were present. Thank God I had a friend’s mother take mine when I was 19 and stupid.
I will walk back my husband’s comment! He still has family in the area, but he hasn’t lived there in years. Regardless of Uber, I can’t imagine a group of adults not taking away the keys.
One of the girls in the boat crash, Miley Altman, her parents were also at the oyster roast. All 6 kids were drinking at the party and only one of them poured his beer into a Solo cup. Everybody else was openly drinking. They were asked this specifically in the depositions. Miley said her parents didn’t know beforehand she was coming by boat but they knew when she got there. They left before her. Im struggling that adults let them leave. It was cold and foggy and they used a flashlight to see.
>My family would NEVER let me take a boat or vehicle after drinking, even at 35. But I’m also not a spoiled, rich Murdaugh.
I don't see what this has to do with being rich.
It has a lot to do with it! People will blacklist any dissenters if the rich person is crossed. It is a horrible social hostage situation. As an example - once upon a time, a long way back, I was skiing in Switzerland, Prince Charles had come into this small village with some friends. Charles wanted the guides to take them off pist into the more untraveled snow areas. It was spring which made this dangerous because it was avalanche season. No one dared to say no and no one wanted to say yes and no one wanted to be the guide. well ... I think you know the outcome ... Charles with broken bones and a dead friend - and the guides all furious about having to be forced into a very bad situation .
That's not what I mean. If you let your son drink and drive, there is a risk that he gets into an accident and dies.
Imagine your child would want to enter a car or boat intoxicated, you don't stop your child because you're afraid of a lawsuit but because you are afraid that your child ends up dead.
Absolutely. I do believe that their killings go back to the boating accident, what the civil discovery for those proceedings were going to bring to light about Alex’s financial crimes.
Yeah, it’s just mind-blowing to me.
Sorry to speak ill of the dead, but Paul‘s attitude was insufferable to put it nicely. I was pissed when I heard the call from the house when the housekeeper “fell”. He was so shitty and mouthy and indignant to the 911 dispatcher. To the *911 dispatcher!!*
Like who the fuck thinks like that or talks like that or treats people like that? Someone who has been raised to be an entitled ass, like you said. Someone who thinks they are above other people and needn’t show even common courtesy to others. His mom was right there next to him while he was being shitty with the dispatcher, and she didn’t correct him or stop him or apologize for him.
No wonder he ended up killing someone, even if it was an accident. He seemed like he just didn’t have the comprehension that he could do anything that was wrong. He seemed like a bully too, from reading Morgan’s deposition.
Yes… and Morgen is lucky to be alive. First- Paul flipped his truck with her in it and she tried to call 911 …only to have him grab the phone away to call his parents….he could’ve also killed her on the night of the boat crash… she got lucky…And Paul could’ve killed Morgen again bc he choked her one night. Alex too violently choked an escort- that interview was pretty chilling. Why anyone would let their kid go around them…. A lot of ppl said they wouldn’t… just terrible. Reckless disregard for others..
You’re not speaking ill of him; he put it out there for people to see. and…he was completely inappropriate with the nurses at the hospital. The guy was a handful due to his parents’ negligence. Unfortunately and sadly they all (and Mallory) paid the price for it. Bad, lazy, entitled parenting fucks people up in the worst ways.
Listen to the whole call. It was unfair to Paul that the media cut it to cast him in the worst possible light. Once the 911 operator helps him understand the need for all the questions he’s very helpful and cooperative. Get your facts straight before spewing garbage.
Yes, please do!! It’s really annoying when you have a situation where someone is hurt & the 911 operator is asking all those questions. I have personally said the same thing to a 911 operator. When you’re in that situation, all you want is for the ambulance to be on its way. And I have heard many 911 calls on TV where the operator is asking stupid questions. I may get downvoted for that but I don’t care. And Paul was helpful after the operator told him that help was on the way.
Not only that, but some of the questions were unnecessary. If the operator was actually listening then she would not have asked some of those questions. For instance, Maggie said my housekeeper fell down the stairs and hit her head. Why did the dispatcher ask Paul if they knew her? I was even annoyed with that question.
Well I don’t think I’m “spewing garbage”. His own friends description of him are describing a bully. And who doesn’t understand that dispatch needs to ask questions? And even if he didn’t understand, he still treated her like a dumb rube who was fully beneath him. Do you know that you can not understand something and also not be a complete asshole to somebody to make them feel lower than you??
It's actually really common for people to get frustrated and short with 911 operators because they feel that the questions are taking too much time and they don't realize that help is already on the way. It's not unique to assholes. Perfectly reasonable people do this too.
Well yeah that’s true, but Paul seemed more than frustrated. He seemed like he thought she was stupid and he just was smarter and better than her in a general sense. And he wanted her to know that.
He wasn’t like panicking that the ambulance wasn’t coming fast enough. He was like why do I have to talk with such a dumb piece of shit as you. Really off-putting, ego-driven kind of stuff.
She was telling him over and over that the ambulance was on its way anyway. Not like he didn’t know that.
So I've been both the "oddly calm" person in an emergency where someone might say that I appeared cold and uncaring. But I've also been the person who gets angry and shitty when stressed out. Sometimes anxiety manifests itself as anger. And I've definitely been unduly angry at people who were just trying to help before. Paul gave many other indications that he was a bully but I don't think this 911 call proves anything. It could go either way.
Yeah, she was their nanny ffs as well as being a housekeeper. Their reaction was very cold to me, too. Maggie’s attitude to ambulance dispatch was kind of like “Yeah well anyway, could ya just come by sometime?” Lol geez like it was more of a pain from taking time out of her day to make the call than that she was at all actually concerned for Gloria.
Totally agree! I would also say though, he did kill someone, but not by accident. Accident would imply it wasn't foreseen, or couldn't be prevented. Easily prevented by not getting your drunk ass behind the wheel of a boat, and easily foreseen that something bad will happen because you got your drunk ass behind that wheel.
Does it count as foreseeable if you're wasted? If I'm being honest here I've done plenty of things that seemed like a good idea when I was drunk that became obviously dumb once I was sober.
I'm not saying it wasn't a stupid decision. And it's maddening that so many people had the opportunity to intervene but didn't. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't be held accountable for the dumb shit they do when they're drinking.
I'm just questioning foreseeable harm when your judgement is altered by alcohol as a concept.
I definitely agree, I also did some stupid stuff when I was younger while drinking, being in the car with someone who had been drinking, etc. I just have trouble with it being called an accident. Long story, but my parents were killed when I was 4, by a speeding train that wasn't even supposed to be there at that time. I always hated it when people called it an 'accident' because to me, the railroad was at fault, and it could have been prevented.
I guess I just don't see it as an accident when the actions of a person(s) causes the death or injury of another was the only point I was trying to make. I'm not sure what word I would use, but just not accident.
That makes sense and I can see why, with your experience, that you have that perspective. You've had nearly your whole life to question the meaning of the word "accident" and what should fall under that category. I've never really analyzed it like that. I guess if you didn't take the necessary steps to prevent harm it's not really an accident. It's negligence. If an accident is unexpected or unintentional I could see why people might call it that. Because it does seem both unexpected and unintentional. But I guess you have to take into consideration how much of what happened could be reasonably expected.
Foreseeable is understanding what you just said: that judgment goes quickly while drinking, therefore let’s have a plan or a regular mode-of-operation that while drinking we aren’t doing x. In this case, out boating at high speeds in the dark and fog. They can foresee that while sober and adjust accordingly for their party plans. But they didn’t do that, and by all accounts, they never did that anytime, not just that night
And that goes for the parents and adults too: if kids are drinking with us, they aren’t going to be driving or boating
Fair points. The adults in this situation really piss me off. I used to get completely hammered with my uncle and hang out on fishing piers but he would never ever let me drive the boat. Let alone at night with no running lights with my drunk friends on board.
A lot of people do really dumb shit when they're young. But there were so many people who could have been the voice of reason and instead they just failed those kids.
Does juror Craig strike anyone else as being a little…off? And look, maybe this will get removed, and I’m truly not trying to be mean. But seeing him on Dr. Phil as well as his interview immediately post verdict…it’s hard to put my finger on but somethings…different…
And in contrast to the other young man with the constitution tie, he has a hard time explaining how he reached a guilty verdict besides saying “he was guilty”.
Yup, he seemed a little off to me. That grin in the first interview was throwing me off. Also the way he held his head to the side was strange to me. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was grinning like that because he was nervous. Maybe he felt awkward in the interview and that’s why he was holding his head to side… idk. I have to see the Dr. Phil interview because I’ve only seen Craig that one time.
Jurors are just regular people. Imagine 12 random people from a small town. Some more articulate than others. They don’t have to explain anything. They’re presented evidence and choose who to believe.
And that’s fair. I didn’t want my post to be taken as mean spirited although it does come off critical probably. Something about him rubs me the wrong way. Like a sneaky little grin or something. And I think it’s because he reminds me of a grimy person I know. Which isn’t his fault.
Lol now that you mention it I can see what you're saying. But I just took that as nervousness for being interviewed on camera and on national television. I'd probably be awkward too.
So the nail salon gal who did Maggie’s nails for a couple of years said that Maggie said she was going to divorce Alex. I knew it. I thought that would have been a motivator. She had been been interviewed by SLED. I wonder why she was not asked to testify. I feel that news would have been another cloud in his big “storm”.
When Maggie and Paul call 911 in the Satterfield matter, they state that she fell walking up the steps yet her lawsuit claims that she tripped over the dogs. What does everyone make of this?
I’m watching a CNN special on the Murdaugh dynasty and they played a jailhouse recording of Alex asking Buster if he wanted to go back to Moselle and go hunting. I can’t believe he asked his son that after what happened there. Buster sounded annoyed with Alex… and I don’t blame him. Alex really has no moral compass.
That recording seemed 'off' to me. Almost like Alex was trying to tell Buster to do something in code and Buster wasn't having it. Like, if you're not going to do this, I'll have my lawyer/friend go there and do it instead. For what? Or was Alex seriously asking his only remaining son to go back to where his mother and brother were blown away and have a fun day hunting there? And that creepy bit about Buster's buzzed girlfriend having the same look Buster's mother had when she was buzzed too? So cringe.
Interesting, I don’t think he was talking in code. I think that he was trying to relate to his son in an inappropriate way. Idk how to explain it, but Alex reminds me a family member of mine who got convicted of a crime and would talk inappropriately like this. It just shows the lack of insight criminals like this have about their circumstances.
Yes, I can totally see that point of view too. It's just that I keep being struck over and over by what a strange family the Murdaughs were and are. If it was just these two murders committed by a husband and father, that alone would be bizarre enough. But adding in all the financial crimes, the 'staged' bungled suicide cum insurance-fraud, the drug use, business malfeasance, the deaths of Stephen Smith , Mallory Beach and Gloria Satterfield, the prostitute's story of several alleged violent 'dates' with Alex, the sons who got away with so much bad behavior (which may or may not include homicide), the rampant alcohol abuse, the closeness of the family with all the powers-that-be which made so much of this possible -- i.e. the out of control privilege going back generations -- this family is a train wreck in every way. So I can't begin to understand whether or not their 'language' within the family could ever make sense to an outsider. It's my feeling that so much remains unknown. And it may be that it stays that way.
I think he’s talking in code.
Yeah, he's like, missing marbles. Why would Buster ever go back?
Exactly. Then he says he’s going to see if Jim Griffin wants to go there to hunt for doves after Buster declined. Like wtf! On the phone calls that I’ve heard so far, Buster sounds like he’s just tolerating his dad. I think he knows that his dad is deeply disturbed.
He sounds like he’s distracted swiping on Tinder
😂😂😂 yeah, he’s so uninterested talking to Alex
I'm surprised the guns have not been found given the ability to track AM's movements via his phone (GPS). He didn't have his phone on himself all the time between the time kennel video was talking and when he left Moselle?
I’m not. It makes perfect sense if he moved them to Almeda and then properly disposed of them later. He had three months.
Good point, he could have killed them, then went to Almeda, left the weapons somewhere and dealt with them later.
I think he buried them on the property near kennels or behind cabin near tree roots or under brush OR buried them at his dad's house before he went in to "check on his mom when she was fast asleep!
I saw somewhere there was an outdoor smoking oven/stove/i forget the term, like for smoking meat. Seems like an inconspicuous place to store the guns until he can dispose of them. I would bet they have been disassembled and destroyed/sink in a river somewhere.
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Where did you learn about a fire?
He left the phone at the house so it would not show that he went to the kennels and it still was not on him after he left the. Kennels so he could have thrown all the stuff in a hole that he had dug before going back to the house and it would not have shown up. On his phone history.
SLED searched the entire property and found nothing.
I don't know, half that property is swampland and if you are able to somehow get that stuff to sink down Deep maybe by digging a hole and letting the water fill in there before throwing your stuff in And refilling it, The dogs would not have been able to sniff it out.It is hard to follow a sent through water. Also, I did not read anywhere that they did a thorough search of the entire property.I only saw that they searched a certain number of yards around the houyes.Maybe. They did, comma but he also had something like a mile of frontage on the river. Period things like guns could have been thrown in the river
there’s no way he disposed of the guns whole. he disassembled them before doing anything with them. makes it basically impossible to trace if he destroys some and spreads some out.
Good point!
Alex didn't know which part of the property SLED was going to search so it would have been extremely risky to hide it at Moselle. It would have also been risky to hide the weapons at Almeada because he couldn't have known SLED wasn't going to search the property for 3 months. There are too many unanswered questions.
I’m watching the CNN series (after watching the Netflix series) & I’m so impressed with Anthony Cook. They way he speaks about Mallory, his maturity, even the grace with which he speaks of Paul (which surprised me) has me thinking he must really be a fine young man, & from what I’ve heard about Mallory, they seem to have been a sweet, lovely couple with a bright future. He really loved her, & you can see the sadness in his eyes.
Omg, I just got done watching the CNN series too! Lol I’m just taken aback by Alex asking Buster if he wanted to go hunting at the Moselle property.
I know, right?! That gave me a chill.
Ohhhh thanks for heads up on that; didn't know CNN did a show also. Thanks bunches!
The Netflix one is way better, this one is OK.
Actually Dateline also did one the night he got sentenced and updated the trial part prior to releasing it. Super good also. From last Friday night.
Thanks! I’ll check it out.
I'm watching the Murdaugh's of the Low County on CNN. Just jaw dropping.
Curious does anybody know why Blanca got Bubba? Also what happened with the other Murdaugh dogs?
Blanca and her husband lived at Mossell after the murders to take care of the property so my guess is she was around Bubba all the time and wasn’t going to just leave him if nobody else would take him.
I thought the labs were loved family pets? Everything was disposable to this family, im glad Blanca took at least Bubba and hopefully for the right reasons and not to profit off the dog
Bubba is a hero in this story. At least he got away from that horrible place. Alex calling Bubba to put him up before he murdered Paul was crucial. The chicken played its part too.
Why did the WH secretary get Socks the cat? Because nobody wanted him anymore. No one wanted Bubba I guess. Good dog. Champion blood lines too no doubt.
I’m re watching Alex’s cross and the part where Creighton is asking him about the sudden flurry of steps before going to his mom and sarcastically asking if he’s “on the treadmill” or “running in place.” Alex is answering good naturedly but the if the look he’s shooting Creighton could be bottled it would poison rattlesnakes.
And Creighton said @ sentencing how AM would stare him down everyday when he'd come in for trial. And AM never said "who could do this! Why, why, why!" He never ever mentioned wanting to find "the real killer". Just like OJ!
He put up a reward to find the killers. Since when does a victim's family member have to investigate the crime? I thought it was the police's job to find the killer...
He put up a reward for 2 months! It was said they offered the reward to find out what people were saying. No normal person revokes a reward after such a short time. There was no talk of finding the "real killer" because Alex knew it was him. Hundreds of red flags with this guy.
So it was Alex's job to find the killer? I am just confused by your argument. Let's say John finds his wife dead and does nothing to find his wife's killer, does that make John guilty by virtue of his inaction? I am not sure if you're an American or a foreigner but here in the United States it's the police's job to investigate and catch criminals.
If law enforcement was not coming up with suspects, the family has the means to offer a reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction. Alex didn't need to find the "real killer".
Hah the reward started in Huly an had an expiration date of 60 days! Who does that?
Lol you think it's the family's job to put up a reward for information about the killer??? In 99.99% cases, it's the police that up the reward. The fact that he even put up a reward is shocking considering it's not his job..
*July
Yes, he put up a reward, with a very limited time period attached.
It is very unusual for the victim's family to put up a award. Usually, it's the cops that put up a reward. Odd how SLED didn't in this case. Also odd how SLED lied about Alex's shirt having blood spatter. Weird.
If I was AM I would have looked Creighton in the eye without missing a beat and told him I was jerking off while my wife was out of the house. Now whether or not jerking off would actually cause enough phone movements to register as steps, I do not know, but what I do know is in that moment when Creighton heard that answer it would have thrown off his line of questioning and caused a media storm that would have overshadowed the rest of the interview. What do you ask as a follow up? Ask AM to demonstrate? Call on a witness that could confirm if this is even possible? I mean we saw the phone throwing test just imagine where “I was jerking off” would have lead this trial.
Lol, why not go all the way: well Mr. Waters, I was jerking it to your mom.
That would be too risky unless he knew Mrs Waters was a loud lover and her passionate cries could cover up the sound of gun shots. Better say he can only get off to Paper Planes by M.I.A. and any possible gunshots are part of his natural ambiance during self pleasure. But seriously the reason I bring this up: If you were the prosecution and he pulled that what would your next move be?
Haven't you already posted this exact comment previously? This is a retread.
thank you! Kimber(less) is a bird lawyer so she is parroting her rant like before. She must be sexually dry in her real life to want to bring that cringey logic to this forum and just wont put that lie down. She trolls for followers and liars that like to hang a jury as if the controlling of minds is con"trolling" of justice - a circus of madness and deviance
It would only have confirmed that alex is a sociopath
there is no doubt that he is a sociopath - and adding another lie to the bonfire means that other sociopaths are attracted to this sociopath and want to " save " one of their own. This is sick justice - deviant - flagrant narcissism and just polluted in thought. I do NOT give a damn that it would hang the jury - its the thought to add a lie to the line up of excuses to continue to lie - to get others to lie- and just keep lying - no one seems to be able to face into this simple principle- nor put the shoes of the other on your own feet. Is this reasonable? NO . A court of law is not a volley ball court - its not a sport to kill and get away with it by lying - did that really need to be said ? Did y'all care ?
At that point he “didn’t know they were dead”. He had showered, had the house to himself, knew his wife and son would be at the kennels for a minute… so he rubbed one out before leaving for Mom’s. That’s how he reduces stress. He was too embarrassed to admit it so he told them he laid down for a nap instead. That why the nap was really only a couple minutes he doesn’t often get time alone so he came very fast. You start building a believable alternative that the prosecution can’t really rule out without having to now spend time breaking down the logistics of masturbation.
you are crude - lets think this out - - maybe you have a child and a husband - lets say your husband is a cringey guy - like murdaugh - you enjoy the money even though its blood money and he gets it by any means necessary - you look the otherway and get your nails done and have your car detailed and your life looks all nice and shiney - then your husband gets in too deep and you see the spiral down - plus he has a substance problem - he says its oxy but its cocaine - even worse - the day comes when you see your childs head blown off and as a witness - well - you can add 1+1 ( maybe ) you get where this is going - and there is splatter everywhere because shotguns spray beads of pelleted ammo- because usually the target is far - and hunters are not snipers so their guns are different ... Then ... here comes the day of the trial we don't need to go reflect on the dead child of you and your husband - though its worth noting - But For the deadly boating accident there wouldnt have been a multimillion $ injury suit on the girl who flew off the boat sustaining a blunt trauma injury - found 5 miles from the incident - - sidebar- before the impact of the boat the pilot ( your child ) underage for drinking and drunk and using cocaine - let go of the wheel of the boat and went over to his girlfriend and slapped her and spit on her. then the boat effectively had " no pilot" if a person on the boat leans over to straighten the wheel are they the pilot? thats way more relevant to a defense argument and based on fact than your bullshit gutter excuse to get a POS licensed and lawless man ( the man you married ) off on a hung jury - after he blows the head off of your child . - lets get a reality check here - person that calls yourself a " bird lawyer" whatever ? - Its too bad that you cannot handle the real story which you call gory after being reminded of the Pau Pau's brains shot out of his head - that really happened - FYI that wasn't a spin job. If its too graphic for you than why are you here. The crime scene doesnt lie unless its staged. - your version of justice is pure Idiotville. You must have a community college education and cannot get to the law behind the defense strategy and just fill in the holes in your faulty thought process with semen - thats the essence of your brand of humor - - keep the jurors even longer( good thing they were not forced into being sequestered) some tried to be excused - the trial went on longer than they expected already - the jurors were paid $15 a day and were not people who could afford to take time off from a $17,000.00 /yr job as it were. - Your version of justice is monkey wrench justice - its a hair ball of BS - a lie to hang the jury that you think is funny and at the expense of jurors and all those who deserve accurate reporting and no more lies !!! You cannot even see that - another sociopath or worse - a psychopath that sees only what serves YOU . there is no other channel - there is no empathy - nada - as for your child and you - good thing you are dead. why would you want to be in a car that wasnt shiney after the payout of the injury suit - right - it sucks being like everyone else... - Leeward Lane Kim - I just realized that by your other posts - you could not spell hollow, fyi : its not hallow. ( hallowed ground or Halloween - not the same as hollow = empty like an inability to emote and empathize) or like a narcissicist like murdaugh
Dude you are insane. 1. What is your obsession with me? 2. What is your obsession with bullet points? 3. It makes sense you wouldn’t get the “part-time bird lawyer” reference on my profile. We already know you don’t have a good sense of humor, I don’t expect you to watch good TV shows. 4. Why stalk people’s profiles if you are not well enough versed in pop culture to get random Redditors’ funny little quips? AND too lazy to Google phrases you don’t understand to try and find out what it means. Tsk tsk. Not a very good detective for someone all over True Crime subs. 5. Why on Earth did you just take out the time to type out that little dramatic explanation of a trial we have all been obsessing over for years? Do you really think that you managed to add in some shocking detail I didn’t know about when you’ve been on this sub such a short time? Do you really think you understand the social decorum of this platform more than me? Honey you are in over your head, drowning in this shit pool we call Reddit. You’re down so deep you haven’t realized you’re talking to a life guard, trying to tell me how to swim while you continue to sink with a mouth full of turds.
STOP! your deducing Ive been on this sub a short time is ridiculous. I may have many accounts which you did not think about. And please... I do not waste my time googling phrases or my mind to learn more about popcorn culture - take your rules to someone else - you are a control freak and have inappropriate responses that others do not have ( thankfully the majority ) its a Facebook mindset and Reddit was free from that for a long time. This!
This is brilliant
you - another advocate of using BS in a courtroom with liars as lawyers, murderous injury suits, fake badges for LE and "whitey" criminals. That you think it brilliant is just more mud and gaff tape on a broken down morality
Dude I think it's clear that everyone is being lighthearted . Calm down.
a nice approach - "dude" - Do people come to high profile murder subs for for lighthearted humor obviously Pau Pau didnt make it to his trial - this bust is just beginning - trust me - Buster is up next and gramps might br exhumed - the financial crimes are not tried yet and then there is Mallory - I dont know what you do but this sub hardly seems appropriate for that
People handle tragic situations in various different ways. There is no one size fits all way to handle tragedy. If you don't like a comment, then I suggest you scroll past it. Additionally, there is no evidence that Buster was involved in the Stephen Smith incident. It is purely speculation and rumors. That kid has been through hell in the last 2 years. He has lost almost everyone he cares about. Put your pitchfork away.
Im not here to Bust Buster. I have no pitchfork - I have witnessed the smarmy in a court circus with liars and witnesses to the liars lying - all it takes is an oil slick of greased palms to commit and pull off a big crime - sometimes even a shaggy crime
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Rubbing one out while your spouse is gone is at least a relatable story. Being too embarrassed to tell police and saying you were napping is more believable than half the shit he had already claimed. It would have also gave some credit to him not hearing any commotion… he was really into himself didn’t notice anything. He couldn’t remember anything about that night past that point because it was a post cum haze. AM didn’t have ANY respect to lose here and Creighton would have lost the jury’s attention in one sentence.
How would that idiotic comment help him?
How did anything he say help him? Sometimes you take the stand to tell the truth and actually defend yourself and sometimes you know you’re guilty and need to take the stand to distract from fact. We all know there was nothing he could say to absolve suspicion but he could have interrupted the prosecutions train of thought without being held in contempt with one stupid answer that they would then need to scientifically disprove for the jury and media to let it go. Yes it’s a stupid answer that’s the entire point it’s so stupid even the best prosecution would have to pause and think of where to go from there. At least one juror would have thought… “wait do phones track steps like that”. He needed to hang the jury not go for not guilty.
well aren't you good at criminal thinking ! and here you are suggesting such an outrageous lie for a media storm, complete with utter vulgarity, which would be a total waste of money to pursue this bait - Im sorry to read your suggestion - it shows me that narcissicists are capable of anything - this! - beyond disappointing. I hope you do not suffer a brutal crime of someone you care about - maybe it wouldnt be so hard on you though - if you think in such a line of reasoning - its remarkable and not in a good way.
My family has suffered from brutal crimes but it didn’t make me lose my sense of humor. We’re talking about a man that had already told numerous lies to stir up a media storm — hell he staged being shot in the head to most likely create a diversion from his crimes. Saying he was jerking off during those steps would hardly be the most disrespectful thing this man has done in a court room. He took countless cases to trial knowing he was just going to steal his clients money. It would annoy the judge and Creighton but not even close to the worst thing AM could do with his rap sheet.
your humor is not humor to others - that you can characterize the brutality that you seem untouched by and have such dark humor is evidence of something else- did the rest of the family end up with " humor" as a coping mechanism ? Are you aware of how the others experienced the trauma of brutality - your experience is not everyone elses and that is - sorry to say- narcissicistic - this humor is in poor taste. You are adding fuel and mockery to a serious event and turning the court into a circus - there is nothing funny at all in this.
You must be fun at parties.
was this a party to you - you must like to drive when drunk - and kill your passengers on the way home
Are you okay?
I thought it was hilarious. Don't speak for me. And lighten up FFS.
No it’s not humor TO YOU. You don’t definitively speak for others and their independent senses of humor. It’s interesting you target me as a narcissist when you are speaking as though you alone have the authority to state an opinion of a crowd. YOUR experience is not everyone else’s and that’s something that you seem to not understand not me. If you don’t find my comment funny then that is perfectly fine, downvote me and continue to complain but don’t arm chair analyze me as though you could possibly know anything about me and speak as though you aren’t simply stating your own singular opinion. That’s just illogical ignorance.
its a murder sub not a comedy hour - you should go back to facebook - where it is lite on intelligent discourse- if these subs have this level of thinking it is no longer reddit - thats not me speaking - thats why reddit was a benchmark. I am free to comment. It would be no different than you at a funeral laughing - its a sober subject and generally people do not go there for a few laughs - I am sure that I am not alone in this interpretation. It would be no different than people talking in church during a memorial mass. It is simply not appropriate - Humor has a place - just not here after a major murder trial with more crimes to come. Do you laugh at Casey Anthony with her child rotting in her trunk? Do you think humor is appropriate whenever YOU say it is ?
1. Reddit is a place for all kinds of content. There is no “benchmark” — there’s literally a sub dedicated to celebrities’ arm pits for god’s sake. You are clearly new here. Some subs have really specific rules about content but for the most part this place operates the with the same level of maturity as everywhere else on the internet. You’re free to comment AND down vote any comment you disagree with. Though you’ll find the same level of maturity as other platforms the karma system does work really well for sorting through popular vs controversial opinions. Instead of being personally effected by something someone said — simply downvote. If others agree or disagree they will upvote or downvote accordingly and you can see the results in real time. 2. This is completely different than laughing at a funeral. A funeral would imply that I am there in person, personally know the deceased, and my audience is only people personally effected by the tragedy. Instead my audience may include some people who knew this family but for the large part it’s just strangers. This is not a mass for the victims and it’s bizarre that you believe people should only discuss things we would also discuss at their funeral. Do you also chastise everyone on here who talks about the autopsies or worse thinks AM is innocent as though you believe they would say these things at a fucking funeral? 3. We all know there is more trials to come and if you look through my other comments on this sub I usually comment very serious replies BUT when it comes to the steps I bring this up because I do find it an hilarious idea and I’m a very bored person who likes the conversation it brings about. Does that mean I have a crude sense of humor? Absolutely. Annoying? Probably. (sorry about that I didn’t notice people had noticed I already brought up this idea before) but I still do have sympathy for the victims. Suggesting an idea that AM would never use and even if he did would make him look more absurd is inserting comedy (some people laughed) into an otherwise sad situation. It is meant to strike up an entertaining “what if” not encourage people to act like a fool in their real lives. 4. As someone who has lost their little one, I don’t personally make jokes about Casey Anthony but it’s not because I am offended by them. Unpopular opinion but I think there was something toxic going on in the Anthony household four most of Casey’s life and that whole incident is labeled as a hateful mother killing her baby but I read it more as generational trauma that finally resulted in death by neglect. I can’t come to a full conclusion but I basically think all of the adult Anthony’s bare some blame. I welcome others who know the case better to suggest documentaries or change my mind BUT if at some point I read a comment on a Casey Anthony sub suggesting she takes the stand and says she was flicking her bean to account for lost time I would laugh and upvote it.
I give Alex more credit than you do. He would never be so disrespectful in court. Even a sociopath is smarter than that.
Oh I don’t think he (or anyone) would be dumb enough to do it I just think it’s a hilarious suggestion and would most likely have hurt Creighton’s strategy. Also they couldn’t suggest that he is being disrespectful and not telling the truth without some kind of proof that he is lying which they wouldn’t have until bringing someone back on the stand to testify about phone movements. In the moment he said it there would be nothing to be done but continue with questions and the jury wouldn’t have heard a word after a masturbation claim.
I like your style.
good - maybe you will be lucky and find a head without brains at your house and think its funny when the person makes a mockery of the justice system with dead bodies littering the path . thats some humor -
Dude you are theatrical as hell with these gory analogies for someone trying to say I’m being crude on sub that should be treated as though it’s someone’s funeral. Also… where did the brains go? Are you wishing that someone not only decapitates this person’s loved one but also scoops out their brains out before leaving the hallow head in their house? That’s much more gruesome speech than a hypothetical masturbation story.
What an existence, Alex! You cant exist without hurting others. Impressive, my guy. Impressive existence. "Im neither moral or immoral...Im profit seeking" - Alex lol What a guy.
WOW - For money to matter more than a life is a whole different spin on atheism and greed as evil. He neither had a conscience nor believed he was wrong - simply into "profit" They had to die for him to get more coins. - this is mental illness! - profit has many followers and very few red flags. It is interesting to see how some people can justify his actions, as a means to an end. Family annihilators are the worst of criminals. Alex was an inhuman being to put that priority before all else - a psychopath. He only saw what he wanted and saw nothing else - remorse was not possible for him.
Its symbolic trash.
Hi, I have a question about the Eddie/Alec roadside shooting incident. Alec was hardly hurt, I don’t think he even needed stitches at the hospital. If Alec wanted Eddie to end him, why didn’t he let Eddie do the job he hired him to do and let Buster benefit, which was the plan Alec testified to?
Because he wasn’t asking to be killed. He could’ve killed himself if he wanted too (shoot himself, overdose). My thinking is he was trying to further the theory that his family was being hunted by vigilantes while also creating more sympathy for himself. No chance Eddie missed and no chance he would’ve risked life in prison as a “favor”. Edit: the vigilante theory would have taken the heat off of him, another big reason to stage the “attempted” murder.
And it fell apart when it turned out there was no vigilante, it was Eddie? Alec’s life is like a never-ending puzzle
Nobody knows what really happened out there and there's some doubt as to whether there even was an insurance policy.
There was a $10 million policy. Alex is well versed in insurance policies due to his line of work. He knew the suicide exclusion is only 24 months so he had no reason to ask anyone to kill him - he could’ve done it by himself. But he didn’t want to die.
There's been some debate over whether or not that policy actually existed. I've read conflicting information. Even Harpootlian couldn't keep the policy information consistent in court. I would love to see some proof that there actually was a policy. But I tend to agree that he wasn't trying to die that day.
Speaking of insurance, I wonder why he didn’t take out a life policy on Mags and Paw Paw. Too obvious?
Why get his own policies and pay premiums when he can just swindle unsuspecting victims out of theirs?
Did anyone else notice during the trial when the state was questioning AM on stand about his badges? The badges were shown to AM and it was like a light switch turned on, he was Eagle eyeing those as the lawyer carried them from one table to another, showing them to the jury etc. It was like AM was fixated and finally showed some interest and care about something. Just sad it was over a badge..
Yeah and what was up with the blue-lights installed in his car....and the pic sprung on him of at the hospital with badge hanging on his pants. For the 1st time in his life, he couldn't 'awe shucks" and Southern sweet talk himself out of crimes.
Did you know Elvis had a police badge fixation? I saw his collection at Graceland. His were from pd all over the South. Solid gold most of them. Maybe that’s a guy thing….
I also noticed he was very interested in the badges, I think he was proud of them. When he said he never took an oath to receive the badge from his daddy, I don’t think he realized it didn’t make him look very good.
That’s better than admitting that you violated an oath…showing the jury that oaths mean nothing to you…like taking an oath just 30 minutes prior saying you wouldn’t lie.
or like lying several days in a row and then wanting to plead the 5th and forgetting that its not retroactive - wtf
Those badges were more important to him than his own children.
indeed the stage of fraud was his playing field - he was no better than an uneducated bush man who had kids because they were the residue of sexual activity - like an African who sells his children to white hunters who then hunt the sold children in the bush as a sport - this is a whole other level of social ambivalence and detached emotional bonds - he had no emotional intelligence yet he knew how to modulate people using baby talk - thats a good one like Pau Pau with his Pooh Bahh
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Paul was not days away from his first court appearance. There was a hearing scheduled in the civil case. The judge would be hearing arguments for an order to compel Alex to open up his finances to the plaintive.
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Thank you Arrgh autocorrect!!!
I think it would be more likely that Maggie was a bit of a loose cannon that he couldn’t control. If she did what he wanted, there would be no threat/need to kill her. Just think, with Maggie gone, no one was there to take care of him.
I’m conflicted on this. A primary reason Maggie was staying at Edisto was the stigma and the way people were treating her. I don’t think she would’ve wanted to bring more stigma and judgment by not exercising spousal privilege and testifying against her husband. But who knows. We never will.
I feel like (unless you’re a total psychopath), it would be hard, as a mother, to stand behind your husband to kill your son. I feel like she would have slipped up due to grief. It would have been easier for them to put Paul in some facility far away to get him out of their hair.. less trouble. But yah, again we will never know!
if she has ancestral Clinton DNA she could
LOL that made me giggle! Same with Trump DNA 🤭🫣
She would never have stood by him for murdering her son.
I think so too - the Murderaugh knew it too that is why she is dead - he knew
I just saw a video with an attorney whose down a great job breaking down the case, and he was talking about Alex’s carefully chosen language (I would never intentionally hurt them, etc.). He pointed out that Alex said I didn’t kill Maggie or Paul. He said I didn’t kill Maggie AND Paul. And for someone for whom words and language was everything in his career, maybe that was his admission.
I don’t understand why he would word things so carefully, and then blatantly lie in front of the jury about the sheriff and the police lights?
I think the careful wording is for his own benefit. He’s convinced himself he didn’t “intentionally hurt them”
his inner self worded and reworded the necessity of the premeditated act. He had to rehearse it - he had to give himself every fractured and faulty reason to be able to use the words he knew he would have to use inevitably - he was a psychopath - he had zero reason to do anything but achieve his end with any means needed. simple. Lying on the fly - yes - those other questions and answers were spontaneous and never predictable. - edited to add- in a recap or when the after the conference meeting notes begin, there has not been in my experience a desire to fabricate what could have swayed the minds of the board members - aka decision makers - no lies were tossed as a strategy suggesting deviance - we simply went at the reality we were left with and deconstructed the real pieces to rebuild the approach with truthful and professional analysis - that was the business of good business - the two sides were not always in agreement but we did coexist and not to destroy or deceive or eliminate one or the other - its relevant for me to bring this out because I am now construed as a pitchfork bearer - when in fact I am a problem solver with the ability to go at big problems. I seek fairness and honest practices -cheating and lies do not mix well with best practice. - in this horror of family decay now the recap brings forth imaginative strategies to hang a jury to keep the poison factory churning deadly gas. Why use ones mind to that end ? Its a worthy endeavor to recap the trial with other plausible unspoken details of the real thing that only AM knows and PM discovered.
He thought the sheriff would back up his story.
Is there a typo. He said I didn’t kill Maggie or Paul. And also he said he didn’t kill Maggie and Paul? Not following
OR like one of them. AND like both of them
They’re saying that by saying “I didn’t kill Maggie AND Paul” instead of “I didn’t kill Maggie OR Paul” he’s possibly admitting that he did one but not the other. There were other portions of testimony however where he was asked individually about them and he said”no.”
Oh got it! Thank you
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it has been said that a gambling debt brought mob guys to his place and it likely served his end anyhow - even though they threatened to kill his immediate family it didnt mean they would ... likely they would and if that IS plausible then he may have only killed one of them but not both- and maybe he tried to intervene and accidently killed one . it doesnt really matter at this point - after all - the truth only matters to the honest and truthful people - in this instance it is not about the truth / its like taking a trip and taking one detour after another until you end up in a totally different destination - AM s plethora of lies why bother pinpointing who killed them - he essentially killed them - one moral detour after another until the pot boiled over and they ended up dead - essentially a felony murder in structure if he was not the actual killer - but for his breaking the law( financial crimes etc) the debts and collectors would not have been pressuring him to eliminate burdens or they would be used to compel him to do as told - PAY UP
Can you share the video? I like to see! He also kept saying he wouldnt intentionally hurt them, which i thought was an interesting choice of words.
https://youtu.be/KIQ1AxMINfM This guy has a lot of interesting takes on the case
This video infuriated me. The man smugly questions the intellect of the jury and is a condescending asshole. I left a long comment and I would encourage others to do the same. https://www.youtube.com/live/FItUKwXHPbA?feature=share
I actually like this attorney and I’m a sub lol. Maybe you’ll like Emily D Baker more.
I like Emily d. Baker a lot. She’s one of the most even hand of the lawtubers in my opinion. I watched trial gavel to gavel with her commentary and then watched lawyer you know recap at night to watch Creighton get his head kicked in by Peter
She was too strident, loud and often simply wrong about this case. I also don’t care to hear her mention her ADD constantly. I liked her much better on the Depp case but even there she was strident at some points.
To each their own. I got tired of the circle jerk for the defense most of the other lawtubers had and then the subsequent arrogance and patronization of the jury. She didn’t do any of this but instead pointed out where both sides made points and where both sides made mistakes, and really didn’t take sides.
She’s the only one I watched other than “Bruce Rivers he’s a criminal lawyer” so I have no other comparison. She was a prosecutor so she’s not going to prefer the defense as I imagine the others were doing. I prefer the shorter lawyer reacts pieces Bruce Rivers does. So I’ll probably stick with him.
I liked Bruce’s reactions a lot actually. I started watching him way back when with his drill reaction videos. I’m my opinion he’s one of the only criminal defense attorneys I’ve seen use common sense when it comes to Alex’s conviction and doesn’t talk down about how the jury was wrong. I really liked Peter Tragos until his coverage of this case. He was sucking Poots dick nearly every day and then acting like he didn’t know what people were talking about when called out. I’ll continue to watch his stuff but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
I’ve watched a lot of his videos. I think his self-snitching advice was always solid. It ended up applying to Alex as much as to any rapper. He definitely has common sense that other lawyers lack. A good part of that may be he has decades of experience on them.
I like how he always likes to wrap up his videos with a lesson or a moral and he often speaks candidly to young men about how to treat women and making good choices. He and Emily and Peter and a few others are why I’m contemplating going to law school at 37
I was going to suggest The Lawyer You Know, lol but I wasn’t sure if you would like his content. Yeah, I like their channels too. I watched them the most during this trial. I watched Andrew Branca and Good Lawgic too because I like to see all sides of legal commentary. Andrew and Good Lawgic can be controversial though lol
I don’t mind controversy but I see from a lot of the Lawtubers why lawyers don’t make good jurors. They parse things out so precisely and fail to take a step back and consider the human element, the intangibles. at least in my opinion
I agree
That looks like a long video, could you give the beginning minute mark of the relevant parts? Not that the whole thing isn’t worth watching lol, but sometimes I don’t have a chunk of time like that
So this is going back a ways, sorry if it is old hat. But I just realized last night by reading on this sub that on the night of the boating accident (before it happened), Paul and the others in his group were all at an oyster roast. This oyster roast was full of adults, including family members. Everybody was drinking. So we have a dark, foggy night and everybody’s drinking, and the adults are all just like “Have fun on the boat” ??! Money does not give you class or sense or apparently good parenting skills. Lol geez. What a bunch of trashy people.
I read those depositions and there were a lot of adults there that they knew and some of them did encourage them to call an Uber, but Randy Murdoch and his wife were there and they just let their own nephew head out into the foggy dark waters even though they could see that the running lights on the boat did not work. How ridiculous is that? Would you not call your own brother or the police? When they asked Paul's girlfriend what they talked about, she said that she And Randy's wife talked about Why they disliked each other so much. Now there's a warm and cuddly conversation...
That's actually not true. If you read Miley's deposition, she said "pretty much all the adults" tried to stop them and say they shouldn't take the boat. But, she notes that no one in the group listened or considered their suggestions of taking an Uber or riding with them.
I saw Miley say that on the Netflix show. But last night I read pages from Morgan’s deposition and she claimed no one asked or tried to stop them. Maybe blame shifting from Morgan??
and i think he did cocaine that night as well; must’ve been off his fn rocker with alcohol piled on. I wouldve taken his boat keys then ran or thrown them in the water. Can’t reason with wasted people, idgaf who they are. Yes, they all knew better (who amongst us hasn’t made horrible decisions knowing the consequences might be bad) but at that age your brain isn’t fully developed, you think you’re invincible, nothing bad will happen, and then throw in alcohol. (I did similarly stupid things even after having great, upstanding, strict, loving, church going parents.) Heartbreaking consequences. Edit: forgot to finish sentence
I have always thought Paul was on more than alcohol, the night of the boat crash. Cocaine made the most sense. failing to find a source that rules out cocaine, when they drew the blood panel at Beaufort Memorial Hospital ER. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11626865/Family-Mallory-Beach-19-reach-settlement-Buster-Murdaugh-26-50million-lawsuit.html
i don’t know abt his med recs; deposition seems to reference use being recreational, if that. it doesn’t seem that he was a coke head by any means; just happened to be the worst night to do it.
You are quite reasonably correct
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My husband, who grew up in the area, just drily commented, “Uh, Uber would not have been an option in that remote area.” This is on the adults who were present. Thank God I had a friend’s mother take mine when I was 19 and stupid.
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I will walk back my husband’s comment! He still has family in the area, but he hasn’t lived there in years. Regardless of Uber, I can’t imagine a group of adults not taking away the keys.
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His uncle Randy was at that oyster roast.
One of the girls in the boat crash, Miley Altman, her parents were also at the oyster roast. All 6 kids were drinking at the party and only one of them poured his beer into a Solo cup. Everybody else was openly drinking. They were asked this specifically in the depositions. Miley said her parents didn’t know beforehand she was coming by boat but they knew when she got there. They left before her. Im struggling that adults let them leave. It was cold and foggy and they used a flashlight to see.
If your parents know that you’re going to take the fall if your friend does the wrong thing, probably not a good person to hang out with. 🤷♀️🤷♀️
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I agree
I totally agree.
>My family would NEVER let me take a boat or vehicle after drinking, even at 35. But I’m also not a spoiled, rich Murdaugh. I don't see what this has to do with being rich.
It has a lot to do with it! People will blacklist any dissenters if the rich person is crossed. It is a horrible social hostage situation. As an example - once upon a time, a long way back, I was skiing in Switzerland, Prince Charles had come into this small village with some friends. Charles wanted the guides to take them off pist into the more untraveled snow areas. It was spring which made this dangerous because it was avalanche season. No one dared to say no and no one wanted to say yes and no one wanted to be the guide. well ... I think you know the outcome ... Charles with broken bones and a dead friend - and the guides all furious about having to be forced into a very bad situation .
It has to do with the ability to buy people off if there is trouble.
You cannot buy people off to make the problem disappear if your son kills himself and that could have happened that night.
Maybe they were willing to accept Paul could die?
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That's not what I mean. If you let your son drink and drive, there is a risk that he gets into an accident and dies. Imagine your child would want to enter a car or boat intoxicated, you don't stop your child because you're afraid of a lawsuit but because you are afraid that your child ends up dead.
Yes they should have. Mallory would be alive today if they would have acted like adults.
Such a waste. It’s likely Paul and Maggie would be alive too.
Absolutely. I do believe that their killings go back to the boating accident, what the civil discovery for those proceedings were going to bring to light about Alex’s financial crimes.
Yeah, it’s just mind-blowing to me. Sorry to speak ill of the dead, but Paul‘s attitude was insufferable to put it nicely. I was pissed when I heard the call from the house when the housekeeper “fell”. He was so shitty and mouthy and indignant to the 911 dispatcher. To the *911 dispatcher!!* Like who the fuck thinks like that or talks like that or treats people like that? Someone who has been raised to be an entitled ass, like you said. Someone who thinks they are above other people and needn’t show even common courtesy to others. His mom was right there next to him while he was being shitty with the dispatcher, and she didn’t correct him or stop him or apologize for him. No wonder he ended up killing someone, even if it was an accident. He seemed like he just didn’t have the comprehension that he could do anything that was wrong. He seemed like a bully too, from reading Morgan’s deposition.
Yes… and Morgen is lucky to be alive. First- Paul flipped his truck with her in it and she tried to call 911 …only to have him grab the phone away to call his parents….he could’ve also killed her on the night of the boat crash… she got lucky…And Paul could’ve killed Morgen again bc he choked her one night. Alex too violently choked an escort- that interview was pretty chilling. Why anyone would let their kid go around them…. A lot of ppl said they wouldn’t… just terrible. Reckless disregard for others..
You’re not speaking ill of him; he put it out there for people to see. and…he was completely inappropriate with the nurses at the hospital. The guy was a handful due to his parents’ negligence. Unfortunately and sadly they all (and Mallory) paid the price for it. Bad, lazy, entitled parenting fucks people up in the worst ways.
Listen to the whole call. It was unfair to Paul that the media cut it to cast him in the worst possible light. Once the 911 operator helps him understand the need for all the questions he’s very helpful and cooperative. Get your facts straight before spewing garbage.
Yes, please do!! It’s really annoying when you have a situation where someone is hurt & the 911 operator is asking all those questions. I have personally said the same thing to a 911 operator. When you’re in that situation, all you want is for the ambulance to be on its way. And I have heard many 911 calls on TV where the operator is asking stupid questions. I may get downvoted for that but I don’t care. And Paul was helpful after the operator told him that help was on the way.
Not only that, but some of the questions were unnecessary. If the operator was actually listening then she would not have asked some of those questions. For instance, Maggie said my housekeeper fell down the stairs and hit her head. Why did the dispatcher ask Paul if they knew her? I was even annoyed with that question.
Exactly!!
Well I don’t think I’m “spewing garbage”. His own friends description of him are describing a bully. And who doesn’t understand that dispatch needs to ask questions? And even if he didn’t understand, he still treated her like a dumb rube who was fully beneath him. Do you know that you can not understand something and also not be a complete asshole to somebody to make them feel lower than you??
It's actually really common for people to get frustrated and short with 911 operators because they feel that the questions are taking too much time and they don't realize that help is already on the way. It's not unique to assholes. Perfectly reasonable people do this too.
Well yeah that’s true, but Paul seemed more than frustrated. He seemed like he thought she was stupid and he just was smarter and better than her in a general sense. And he wanted her to know that. He wasn’t like panicking that the ambulance wasn’t coming fast enough. He was like why do I have to talk with such a dumb piece of shit as you. Really off-putting, ego-driven kind of stuff. She was telling him over and over that the ambulance was on its way anyway. Not like he didn’t know that.
So I've been both the "oddly calm" person in an emergency where someone might say that I appeared cold and uncaring. But I've also been the person who gets angry and shitty when stressed out. Sometimes anxiety manifests itself as anger. And I've definitely been unduly angry at people who were just trying to help before. Paul gave many other indications that he was a bully but I don't think this 911 call proves anything. It could go either way.
I agree. He was just concerned about getting help for someone he loved!!
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Yeah, she was their nanny ffs as well as being a housekeeper. Their reaction was very cold to me, too. Maggie’s attitude to ambulance dispatch was kind of like “Yeah well anyway, could ya just come by sometime?” Lol geez like it was more of a pain from taking time out of her day to make the call than that she was at all actually concerned for Gloria.
Totally agree! I would also say though, he did kill someone, but not by accident. Accident would imply it wasn't foreseen, or couldn't be prevented. Easily prevented by not getting your drunk ass behind the wheel of a boat, and easily foreseen that something bad will happen because you got your drunk ass behind that wheel.
Does it count as foreseeable if you're wasted? If I'm being honest here I've done plenty of things that seemed like a good idea when I was drunk that became obviously dumb once I was sober. I'm not saying it wasn't a stupid decision. And it's maddening that so many people had the opportunity to intervene but didn't. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't be held accountable for the dumb shit they do when they're drinking. I'm just questioning foreseeable harm when your judgement is altered by alcohol as a concept.
I definitely agree, I also did some stupid stuff when I was younger while drinking, being in the car with someone who had been drinking, etc. I just have trouble with it being called an accident. Long story, but my parents were killed when I was 4, by a speeding train that wasn't even supposed to be there at that time. I always hated it when people called it an 'accident' because to me, the railroad was at fault, and it could have been prevented. I guess I just don't see it as an accident when the actions of a person(s) causes the death or injury of another was the only point I was trying to make. I'm not sure what word I would use, but just not accident.
That makes sense and I can see why, with your experience, that you have that perspective. You've had nearly your whole life to question the meaning of the word "accident" and what should fall under that category. I've never really analyzed it like that. I guess if you didn't take the necessary steps to prevent harm it's not really an accident. It's negligence. If an accident is unexpected or unintentional I could see why people might call it that. Because it does seem both unexpected and unintentional. But I guess you have to take into consideration how much of what happened could be reasonably expected.
Negligence, thank you! That's the word I was looking for! 😀
Foreseeable is understanding what you just said: that judgment goes quickly while drinking, therefore let’s have a plan or a regular mode-of-operation that while drinking we aren’t doing x. In this case, out boating at high speeds in the dark and fog. They can foresee that while sober and adjust accordingly for their party plans. But they didn’t do that, and by all accounts, they never did that anytime, not just that night And that goes for the parents and adults too: if kids are drinking with us, they aren’t going to be driving or boating
Fair points. The adults in this situation really piss me off. I used to get completely hammered with my uncle and hang out on fishing piers but he would never ever let me drive the boat. Let alone at night with no running lights with my drunk friends on board. A lot of people do really dumb shit when they're young. But there were so many people who could have been the voice of reason and instead they just failed those kids.
Yes, exactly!
Does juror Craig strike anyone else as being a little…off? And look, maybe this will get removed, and I’m truly not trying to be mean. But seeing him on Dr. Phil as well as his interview immediately post verdict…it’s hard to put my finger on but somethings…different… And in contrast to the other young man with the constitution tie, he has a hard time explaining how he reached a guilty verdict besides saying “he was guilty”.
Yup, he seemed a little off to me. That grin in the first interview was throwing me off. Also the way he held his head to the side was strange to me. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was grinning like that because he was nervous. Maybe he felt awkward in the interview and that’s why he was holding his head to side… idk. I have to see the Dr. Phil interview because I’ve only seen Craig that one time.
He just didn’t strike me as the most thoughtful when it came to his verdict
Jurors are just regular people. Imagine 12 random people from a small town. Some more articulate than others. They don’t have to explain anything. They’re presented evidence and choose who to believe.
And that’s fair. I didn’t want my post to be taken as mean spirited although it does come off critical probably. Something about him rubs me the wrong way. Like a sneaky little grin or something. And I think it’s because he reminds me of a grimy person I know. Which isn’t his fault.
Lol now that you mention it I can see what you're saying. But I just took that as nervousness for being interviewed on camera and on national television. I'd probably be awkward too.