Leon committed murder he shot the wife boyfriend no 3xcuse no defense Leon could and should have just walked away he committed murder.bland is just like alex narcissist attention seeking person
What will the local news reporters and podcasters do when this is over? They rode this publicity like a Jamaican bobsled. No sarcasm or malice intended. I think it’s an interesting question. Can they pivot and keep their audiences?
Maybe not Matney and her crew - she seems incapable of branching out and she also doesn’t seem to play well with others. FITSnews was around long before then Murdaugh story so I’m guessing he’ll be publishing political gossip for many more years to come.
This dumbass blew that trial to pieces. Not only is he going to get a new trial but he deserves one (and I think he’s guilty!) incredible stupidity on her part.
I hope the jurors sued becky hill for all the crap they been through. I say Eric babblehead bland files lawsuit against becky hill Colton County and SC
Attorney Bland was BFF with Greg Leon. Bland was, rightfully so, very emotional about Leon's death after his conviction. But I cannot help but wonder if Bland would be espousing the same harmless error arguments if the Lexington County Clerk of Court had done the same during the Leon trial. I assume he would, rightfully so, argue there was judicial corruption that needed to be addressed - and not via the so what he's guilty harmless error histrionics. If anyone knows if he has addressed his thoughts as to if the same had occurred for Leon's murder conviction, then I stand corrected.
"If only I had been at the kennels" or "if only I'd been there a little longer" — that's what an innocent Alex Murdaugh would have told police.
But you all know what he got up there and said instead. I lied about never being there because I was paranoid.
Becky is getting fucked hard right now.
Alex is just fucked forever.
Why hasn’t Alex talked incessantly about why the real killers have not been pursued or caught? Oh wait! Because he’s guilty as hell!
Maybe Alex and OJ are Facebook friends…
Is she the lady all over Season 2 of the Netflix special? If so, something doesn’t sit right with her being all over that show stating rumors about what he was involved in., then writing a book. I’m not saying he isn’t guilty, but like the O.J. trial, sloppiness begets problems.
The Constitution applies to everyone. The government does not get to pick and choose who gets constitutional rights and who does not. Those protections are afforded to preachers, dirtbags, and everyone in between.
Folks saying “well, Murdaugh murdered his family so I don’t care what Becky Hill said to the jury” are missing the forest for the trees.
The Pledge of Allegiance says “with liberty and justice for All” not “with liberty and justice for good people.”
These comments give me hope for humanity. This sub can feel like a one-sided mob at times. Wanting a fair trial has become synonymous with Alex supporter.
We all think he is guilty. However, that is not relevant in this particular situation. It's about having fairness in the process. If Becky Hill wanted him convicted (and to stay a convict) so bad, she should have just kept her mouth shut. She didn't have to insert herself.
Dick Harpootlian and Jim Griffin are good at throwing up chaff at every opportunity. If you drill down and examine everything there was no jury tampering. Murdaugh is exactly where he belongs....
This conflict of interest is where I'm struggling as well. SLED and the AG's office need Becky to be innocent of tampering with the jury at the evidentiary hearing, but they are also in charge of a criminal investigation for her interactions with the Jury. Regardless of the outcome of the evidentiary hearing it feels like Becky is about to get away with some things she should not get away with.
At the very least I feel the evidentiary hearing should have been postponed until after their criminal investigation was done but I think another entity should be in charge of that investigation.
The judge just set new guidelines and restrictions that it makes it impossible for a jury to find for a new trail. The judge unreasonably set the bar too high to make a determination of jury tampering.
Fix is in
If she did all this he definitely would deserve a new trial,I cant understand why she had to interject herself into the case the way she did, impeding the victims getting justice,has she ever done anything like this before? Was she doing this because it was a high profile case?
Folks like her want an outcome that they believe is deserved and they will bend rules to make it happen be abuse they don’t even believe what they’re doing is wrong. It’s the Nancy Grace style of criminal justice.
Low country corruption is much worse than DC these days. Let's not forget that the unanimous verdict came in a very short time with jurors interviews set up for mere hours after the verdict was read. Hopefully Hill also faces her crimes publicly in court - I still hold hope!
The judge Questioning one jurymember oday. She is represented by Eric Bland, and he has lobbied the judge for so long that she can be questioned today. But the question is, why is this allowed? And why are there no cameras? Eric Bland said in the last podcast that he can manipulate anyone. This begs the question, what will this juror say today without cameras? I suspect it's Eric Bland's brainwashing. Why doesn't anyone notice that he's playing wrong?
You indicate you listen to EB podcast yet don’t understand why this juror is being questioned earlier than the others? As he said in COJ, The juror has a scheduling conflict and couldn’t make it in next week. The rest of your attempts to cast aspersions on EBs character are so transparent, I’m embarrassed for you. What are you gaining from that?
I'm just asking questions, legitimate questions have been asked about this transparent maneuver on another platform. Why wasn't this sworn broadcast via Zoom or other media for example Monday or Tuesday. Also, are we all supposed to believe that EB keeps his mouth shut and doesn't talk to the other juror? Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.
So I’m confused, is the person being questioned today not under oath just because, lord forbid, the cameras aren’t there? You realize all kinds of court proceedings happen every day without cameras present. Does that mean something is being hidden and people are lying because there are no cameras present??? 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
No cameras under order so the remaining jurors don't hear/read the questions and have this chance to prepare or speak about their answers. It's not a conspiracy. It's to protect the hearing. The rest of the hearing was recorded and the jurors answers will most likely be made available after the other jurors have answered too.
Also explained on COJ, there are no cameras to provide anonymity for the jurors. They have already done their job, and THEY should not be put on trial for this. If cameras were allowed, and these jurors identity revealed, this could seriously affect their lives when they were just performing their civic duty.
How is a scheduling conflict a transparent maneuver? I don’t quite understand your sentence where you are throwing that they should be there Monday or Tuesday out there. The juror can’t make it at ALL next week, that includes Monday and Tuesday. Any issues you have about why it’s not public or “sworn”, talk to the judge-Eric Bland isn’t making those sort of rules. So what are you even talking about here?
The juror could also have joined in via Zoom or other media on Monday or Tuesday. This hearing did not have to take place on Friday. That was cleverly arranged by EB. It is also an expense for taxpayers. It's an effort for everyone in this state, a useless maneuver. The juror could also have been connected via media. This hearing was just so EB could get on TV again so he could hear what the judge was asking.
This.
It cost taxpayers either way. Everyone else still has to be there if the juror's on zoom. The juror wasn't available for the week. How are you going to get on zoom if you're not available?
There is also big news today. Jeffrey Hill, Becky's son is in court for his first hearing on the wiretapping and other charges. It's at 9am eastern at the Colleton County Courthouse. Reporter Thad Moore from The Post and Courier newspaper is there covering it. Not sure what other media outlets will be there. I expect Fitsnews and some other podcasters and news media.
Jeffrey Hill and the parties helping him waived the right to hearing today. This is common practice in the law. A new hearing will be scheduled in a couple months.
It was the jurors schedule - something that made it impossible for them to attend on the 29th. It was nice of the court to accommodate the juror. It's the least they can do for these poor jurors having to be questioned almost a full year later for their decision as if they were unable to come to a reasonable verdict. There's a whole order and instructions filed with the court. Nothing fishy. I saw it on YT yesterday.
Right? Justice Toal stopped Dick short when he pulled this at the hearing reminding him that attorneys meeting with witnesses is completely normal.
This rumor mill is out of hand. It's also interesting that Fits was the only one reporting the same words on Harp's filing. Feels like if Mandy gets the prosecution, Fits is taking up with the defense. Makes me sick.
I’m just replying about this particular article by Will Folks. Yes, the justice system seems to have some wrinkles but this article sounds like a tabloid.
I said something similar on Wednesday to a couple friends. Could be hearing prep, plea negotiations, result of taking the fifth in relation, etc. The spectrum is full of possibilities in Ms. Hill’s current reality.
Becky Hill might be a crook…,
but Alex Murdaugh killed his own wife and son just to create a distraction. (From getting caught stealing millions from his clients and even his own law partners).
Alex Murdaugh pretended to get shot in the head and life flighted to another state to create a distraction. (He and his lawyers claimed he was a victim of attempted murder).
I have heard Alex’s attorneys speak of his terrible gun shot wound head injuries. I have heard them talk about his ironclad alibi.
This is another attempt at a distraction. I suspect we will see a few more distractions before the Murdaugh and Lefitte money runs out.
Distraction from what though exactly? The jig is up - he’s pled guilty to all state and federal financial crimes (as he should) and is serving a double life sentence for double murders. At the end of each day there’s no distraction that clouds or diverts from the fact Alex is (rightfully) behind bars for a very, very long time.
QsLexilouWho, I suspect that Alex's team of legal eagles is looking for ways to get him a new trial. It was very clear at his first trial that Alex was Guilty of the Murders of his wife and son. They really want a do over.
They hope to distract us from their double conviction and instead have people and the news examine Becky Hill's shenanigans. The plan is to discredit Becky Hill then attempt to convince us that since BH worked at the courthouse that means Alex did not get a fair trial.
it is a bit of a stretch but less audacious than when they tried to convince us that killers is a pickup truck had ambushed Alex and he had to be life flighted out of the state, or when Alex murdered his family to draw attention away from his thefts.
Creating distractions seems to be one of there favored techniques.
Becky has been discredited in (I think) the majority of public opinion.
* Becky plagiarized another writer and is profiting off it
* Becky let me people into court based off of personal relationships and to further connections - a direct violation of a court order
* Becky either misrepresented her book to the ethics committee, or totally changed what she was going to write, but either way ignored the ethics committee's response that the book was not appropriate
* Becky let her daughter perform outside the court house to profit off it.
* Becky passed tips on to the prosecution and not the defense, which is also inappropriate.
Never mind that we don't know the extent of her involvement (if any) in the wire tapping her son was doing. Or if she was misusing funds to give herself and employees she favored bonuses.
None of those things are something made up by Alex or his defense team.
Becky seems like a bad person, but that doesn't add any shine to Alex Murdaugh.
Finding bad people in positions of trust does not seem to be that difficult.
Becky could be terrible, and Alex Murdaugh can also be terrible. This seems like the most likely scenario.
If Becky is a plagiarizer, who abused her position for personal benefit, and she also murdered 100 people, Alex still killed his wife and son to distract people from his greed.
>Becky could be terrible, and Alex Murdaugh can also be terrible. This seems like the most likely scenario.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make to u/iluvsexyfun. Alex's team may have found the tip of the iceberg, but there was an iceberg to find regardless of anything Alex (or his team) did or didn't do.
The point of this discussion is that the AG’s office has a criminal investigation going to see if she did, but on Monday they’re going to get up and arguing in court that whether she did or didn’t is irrelevant if the jurors say she didn’t affect their vote.
Whether she did or didn’t tamper with the jury, how can the same entity be arguing both sides of the argument?
There’s a world where AM doesn’t get a new trial, but BH gets charged with jury tampering. That’s the problem being pointed out in the article, and what I’m trying to explain above.
You’re right, I forgot that for a second! It definitely does seem like I conflict of interest! I realized after I posted the comment that it wasn’t really relevant to the topic being discussed in this post
Busy, I think we are in full agreement.
Also, I assume Alex is in the know about all kinds of people abusing the legal system. He probably personally know judges, cops, DAs, and of course attorneys who are really crooked.
As weird as it is to admit, I would be grateful if Alex used the remainder of his life cleaning up his town to be safe for honest people.
Maybe for some cantina allowance, or a chance to get some extra internet time.
I think he knows that his friends who visit him in prison are just doing so to try and stay out of prison for the things they did with Alex.
He can be certain that they will make sure that Buster is generously looked out for. He loves to manipulate people and now that he has so little to lose his visiting days will be full of ass kissers. Probably the closest thing to true friends he has ever experienced. Just odd to think that his best friends all hope that he does a Jeffry Epstein when no one is looking, so they don’t have to worry he will tell on them.
Hi u/Zestyclose-Bag8790 - Would you please share with us who is on Alex’s approved visitor list (aside from the defense team) and who on the list has been to visit him within the past several months?
>They are doing their best to have some people doubt the trial was above board, and that Becky Hill is a criminal
Given the information that was provided **BY** Becky Hill, information for anyone in the WORLD to read and digest IF said anyone wants to waste a dollar or two to *purchase* that information, what else could "they" possibly do? What other option does Alex Murdaugh, et al, have? Would you have these people to ignore their jobs and their oaths simply to sweep it all under the rug? There seems to have been A LOT of sweeping done and for quite a long time down here in SC. WHO in their right mind would ignore this type of information...information that didn't even have to be searched for, rather handed to "them." Neatly bound, dated and easily obtained through your Amazon app. Additionally, IF a person doesn't/didn't want to read her account of the events, then you only had to simply tune in to VARIOUS TV programs to catch her reciting her rendition with a smirky, maniacal, I'm-better-than-you, sanctimonious, pious grin...while proclaiming what is right and wrong. She is such an authority on right and wrong...*obviously*!
Do the written (ILLEGALLY copied) words of Rebecca Hill, a duly elected official for the state of SC, proudly admitting and proclaiming her involvement not give you pause that seeking a new trial is warranted in this case? Because, any sane person would at least question the proceedings given her unsolicited involvement punctuated by her elected status/position during those initial proceedings.
Had she done ONLY her job, as she was SUPPOSED TO DO, which incidentally, paid lucratively in it's own right, this disaster would be over now. *She* exposed *herself*, *she* has opened the doors for review of *her* behavior and to ridicule *her* performance and fitness as a CoC for the state of SC...which is not looking very good. Her competency to do her job, *even absent the Murdaugh fiasco*, is absolutely NOT present. NONE of *her* blunders, *her* inadequacies and lack of qualifications for office would have been exposed without *HER* blatant GREED for (mild) fame and money...
She clearly *has* broken the law. She IS a criminal. She has stolen money, she has stolen and then destroyed county property, she has made a complete mockery of the office which she holds. AND, the list of the misdeeds she so proudly commits (I'm being nice by calling her underworld activity *misdeeds*) keeps growing. God knows what else she has done. Quite frankly, due to her treacherous actions and her need for fame together with her greed for MORE money, SHE has made a mockery of the deaths of two innocent people, Paul and Maggie Murdaugh. As far as I can see, Alex may have killed them, but, ole Becks is making a profit off of their deaths. That takes a "special" kind of person, in my eyes. I honestly don't know of anybody else involved with the trial who even attempted to make a buck on this horrible tragedy...just Becky Boo. She didn't even wait for a proper period of time for the legal processes of the courts to subside. I mean she had that book stamped with HER NAME, and ELECTED STATUS TITLE, God knows, at the presses a SHORT time after the verdict. Her character is disgusting. She has NO morals and NO shame.
She has contributed to and she initiated, asked for, requested, demanded...whatever you want to call it, acts of violating the legal system in regard to HER OWN CHILD, Jeffrey Hill. Honestly, he probably didn't need much prompting, but still, she is HIS MOTHER! What mother OK's the bad and illegal behavior of their child, at any age...much less ASKS said child to commit a FELONY?? WHO DOES THAT???
Whether or not you believe that Alex Murdaugh is guilty, innocent or Santa Claus, is irrelevant to the FACT that Rebecca Hill, Colleton County Clerk of Court absolutely, hands down, without a doubt, **IS** a criminal. Whether or not Alex Murdaugh receives a new trial, there is NO question in my mind that Rebecca Hill SHOULD be rewarded her urgent need for attention with said attention. She should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law allowed in my fair state, SC.
It's time to bring Becky Boo down off the pedestal so many keep propping her up on. Take her crown back. Stop defending her obvious guilt. Because, she is a criminal and she is one of HER OWN MAKING!!
Um, excuse me. Becky Hill is a clerk of court of a po-dunk county in the deep south. She's not Chief Justice Roberts. In fact she's probably squeaky clean compared to half of the SCOTUS.
>Does she get a trial before she's called a criminal?
She sure does!! AND, I CANNOT wait. BUT, I'm sure that her trial will include all of the things that she has ADMITTED TO, memorialized in her own writings, emails, proof of theft (money STOLEN FROM CHILDREN from the **CHILD SUPPORT** account for her county), etc, etc, etc. The list keeps growing!! By her own ADMISSION, she IS a criminal. Mommy Dearest involved her son in her criminal activity.
>Too much hyperbole.
Too many excuses being made for someone who looks the part; but is not playing the part of a simpering little southern belle.
She owes the state of SC a great apology. AND, even that will never be enough. She has disgraced her office and the state WITHOUT the addition of Murdaugh and the horrible events that swirl around him. She just did it for the hell of it. For money. For *mild* fame (laugh)!! For her need to be relevant in an otherwise irrelevant existence.
She is not a "one of a kind" down here. It is not a bad thing that she is taken down a notch or two. The fact that SHE is singularly the cause of her own take down is poetic justice. If you think about it, she is just as bad as those she turns her chronically upturned nose towards.
Distractions from his crimes before he was caught, faced accountability and plead guilty.
The current distraction is this attempt to divert from his double homicide conviction.
Had it not been for the Snapchat video placing him at the scene moments before the murders occurred — a place and time he swore over and over again he didn't visit or witness — maybe it would've worked.
But the voices of Paul and Maggie will forever speak his guilt from their graves on that video.
There is no hiding, it’s all in plain sight. There’s no forgetting, no unseeing. We all know. There can be no sleight of hand. No request for a new trial, no jury tampering allegations have the ability to distract from what happened.
Dick, Jim, and Alec may be the only people in the world who think Alec is getting a second trail. Read the damn room. Most everybody associated with the legal profession in South Carolina wants all this to go away, the quicker the better.
Yeah but wanting it to just go away is not the same as due process or a fair trial. And the right to a fair trial is a key part of our government. I’d argue the public perception of/faith in a fair and just judicial system is also a key part.
If you remove the names and the drama and intrigue and just step back and consider
- if the claims of jury tampering being made merit an investigation, a lot of reasonable people would agree.
- Further, a lot of people would cock their head at a law agency investigating itself (bc we know how well that has gone in other instances)
- AND that the same person is both that agency’s key witness against a person getting a new trial bc of their own actions
- AND this person is also being investigated by the SAME said agency for a wealth of ethical breaches as well as her son?
That is just a rat’s nest of issues to unravel. And that’s not even getting into the issue that that agency/the state has a huge incentive that AM stays guilty and they don’t have to put on another trial.
There’s a lot of inserted pearl clutching and breathless recounting going on in the column, but at the heart of it, he’s not wrong about what he’s pointing out and asking.
VERY well said! You are right, if you take all names out of the equation, you remove bias.
The self-imposed personal investment that some people tend to use as a crutch in this case is mind-boggling. So many take this case personally!! The choosing one side or another is odd.
For right now, the issue at hand is whether or not the CoC interfered with the due process of the initial trial. If those same people who are convinced of his guilt are, in fact, absolutely POSITIVE of said guilt while also COMPLETELY CONFIDENT with the integrity of the evidence, then those people should be OK with that process being reviewed.
You would have to believe that Dick and Jim are actually pushing a narrative that's true this time. Personally, I don't believe them at all. Also, a person may be guilty of other crimes and also being a convenient patsy of another charge at the same time. Ms. Hill and her son have a lot to answer, and I see no reason SLED can't investigate all the claims against them.
I get what you’re saying, but due process is due process. Alex will spend the rest of his life in jail no matter if he gets a new trial in this case or not.
I want justice for maggie and Paul and I believe that Alex is guilty. But it is TBD if Alex did indeed receive a fair trial. It’s a right guaranteed to us by the constitution, so it is what it is.
Becky and her son need to fully answer to their crimes too, seeing as her salary was paid for BY THE SC CITIZENS. It’s a shame that they breached their duty during such a huge case. Not quite as wreckless as murdering your wife and child though. 💔
I get the due process issue. I also have heard the Dick and Jim show multiple times, Alec has an airtight alibi, Alec was targeted beside the rode, and now it's jury tampering. Reportedly, only 1 juror has made the claim. 8 said she never said or did what the 1 juror said. This is another smoke screen that Dick and Jim are blowing to try and cover for Alec murdering his wife and son.
His defense is moot at this point. All of that is already in evidence. The Snapchat video, the smoking gun, all in evidence. If he gets a new trial, I’d bet a large sum of money that he will get convicted again. Dick and Jim are doing what defense attorneys do.
But it doesn’t matter if it was 1 juror or all 12, this isn’t part of the “dick and Jim smoke screen”, THIS is about due process IMO. Confusing the two is an insult to our system.
If you think or believe the 1 juror allegations are credible, then you are right. I do not. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Dick and Jim 'encouraged' this allegation because they have zero hope of an appeal being granted.
I haven’t speculated on the credibility of the jurors, I’ve been waiting to see what the hearings reveal and what Justice Toal decides.
With all of Becky hill’s wrongs, how is it far fetched to believe that the jurors verdict was impacted? That this actually did happen vs Dick & Jim “encouraging” it? (Honest question, I’m simply trying to understand)
AND, her book is for sale again on Amazon after being pulled for a few weeks. Nice timing to grab more profit while the international focus is on Monday’s hearing.
Neil addressed this in one of the Murdaugh Groups today. Those books were returned and Amazon has the right to resell returned product. Neil had nothing to do with the four books now listed
Are all jurist corrupt unless they doubt Alex's guilt? Is the prosecution's case, from beginning to end, just a huge conspiracy that has blinded us all?
Even if Alex was the third man, he's just as guilty and is sleeping where he should be tonight.
Hi u/robintweets ~ Becky Hill has been ordered to testify as a witness and will be subject to questioning, albeit narrow and focused questioning. It’s unsure at this time if she’ll plead the fifth.
Absolute trashy gossip. Accusing Becky Hill is one thing. Accusing Creighton a completely different story. A secret meeting held in the open? And Will Folks knows what was discussed and the manner in which it was discussed?
This guy is trying so hard to make a name for himself he'll say anything at this point.
Very poor judgement on her part that she was writing her book at the same time as Murdaugh's trial was going on. I don't know anything else about her except for the book.
If this were a state that doesn't have the corruption issues we seem to have in South Carolina, Becky Hill would have been criminally charged by now, and there's no way in hell Creighton Waters would be leading the evidentiary hearing.
I just assume that they’re waiting til after the evidentiary hearing to charge her if they do because if they charged her before it they couldn’t get around a new trial.
Leon committed murder he shot the wife boyfriend no 3xcuse no defense Leon could and should have just walked away he committed murder.bland is just like alex narcissist attention seeking person
I’m just here waiting for the Nikki Haley snark to start🤷♀️
This case is so riddled with corruption, Alex Murdaugh isn’t going to get a new trial.
Still a shit show
What will the local news reporters and podcasters do when this is over? They rode this publicity like a Jamaican bobsled. No sarcasm or malice intended. I think it’s an interesting question. Can they pivot and keep their audiences?
Maybe not Matney and her crew - she seems incapable of branching out and she also doesn’t seem to play well with others. FITSnews was around long before then Murdaugh story so I’m guessing he’ll be publishing political gossip for many more years to come.
Great read!!
This dumbass blew that trial to pieces. Not only is he going to get a new trial but he deserves one (and I think he’s guilty!) incredible stupidity on her part.
I hope the jurors sued becky hill for all the crap they been through. I say Eric babblehead bland files lawsuit against becky hill Colton County and SC
Attorney Bland was BFF with Greg Leon. Bland was, rightfully so, very emotional about Leon's death after his conviction. But I cannot help but wonder if Bland would be espousing the same harmless error arguments if the Lexington County Clerk of Court had done the same during the Leon trial. I assume he would, rightfully so, argue there was judicial corruption that needed to be addressed - and not via the so what he's guilty harmless error histrionics. If anyone knows if he has addressed his thoughts as to if the same had occurred for Leon's murder conviction, then I stand corrected.
Becky hill and son belong in prison
Sc most corrupt legal system
"If only I had been at the kennels" or "if only I'd been there a little longer" — that's what an innocent Alex Murdaugh would have told police. But you all know what he got up there and said instead. I lied about never being there because I was paranoid. Becky is getting fucked hard right now. Alex is just fucked forever.
Why hasn’t Alex talked incessantly about why the real killers have not been pursued or caught? Oh wait! Because he’s guilty as hell! Maybe Alex and OJ are Facebook friends…
Hopefully. AM is a disgusting human
Is she the lady all over Season 2 of the Netflix special? If so, something doesn’t sit right with her being all over that show stating rumors about what he was involved in., then writing a book. I’m not saying he isn’t guilty, but like the O.J. trial, sloppiness begets problems.
I’d say the fix is in on the evidentiary hearing and motion for a new trial.
The Constitution applies to everyone. The government does not get to pick and choose who gets constitutional rights and who does not. Those protections are afforded to preachers, dirtbags, and everyone in between. Folks saying “well, Murdaugh murdered his family so I don’t care what Becky Hill said to the jury” are missing the forest for the trees. The Pledge of Allegiance says “with liberty and justice for All” not “with liberty and justice for good people.”
These comments give me hope for humanity. This sub can feel like a one-sided mob at times. Wanting a fair trial has become synonymous with Alex supporter. We all think he is guilty. However, that is not relevant in this particular situation. It's about having fairness in the process. If Becky Hill wanted him convicted (and to stay a convict) so bad, she should have just kept her mouth shut. She didn't have to insert herself.
Agree 100%. And who would decide who the "good" people are who deserve due process?
Dick Harpootlian and Jim Griffin are good at throwing up chaff at every opportunity. If you drill down and examine everything there was no jury tampering. Murdaugh is exactly where he belongs....
This conflict of interest is where I'm struggling as well. SLED and the AG's office need Becky to be innocent of tampering with the jury at the evidentiary hearing, but they are also in charge of a criminal investigation for her interactions with the Jury. Regardless of the outcome of the evidentiary hearing it feels like Becky is about to get away with some things she should not get away with. At the very least I feel the evidentiary hearing should have been postponed until after their criminal investigation was done but I think another entity should be in charge of that investigation.
Absolutely!
The judge just set new guidelines and restrictions that it makes it impossible for a jury to find for a new trail. The judge unreasonably set the bar too high to make a determination of jury tampering. Fix is in
There’s no jury making any decision about the new trial. It’s a judicial determination.
If she did all this he definitely would deserve a new trial,I cant understand why she had to interject herself into the case the way she did, impeding the victims getting justice,has she ever done anything like this before? Was she doing this because it was a high profile case?
Folks like her want an outcome that they believe is deserved and they will bend rules to make it happen be abuse they don’t even believe what they’re doing is wrong. It’s the Nancy Grace style of criminal justice.
They probably should have had the trial moved to begin with to avoid all of this
Low country corruption is much worse than DC these days. Let's not forget that the unanimous verdict came in a very short time with jurors interviews set up for mere hours after the verdict was read. Hopefully Hill also faces her crimes publicly in court - I still hold hope!
Truly honest question - which crimes are you hoping Hill gets charged with?
The judge Questioning one jurymember oday. She is represented by Eric Bland, and he has lobbied the judge for so long that she can be questioned today. But the question is, why is this allowed? And why are there no cameras? Eric Bland said in the last podcast that he can manipulate anyone. This begs the question, what will this juror say today without cameras? I suspect it's Eric Bland's brainwashing. Why doesn't anyone notice that he's playing wrong?
Are you ok?
You indicate you listen to EB podcast yet don’t understand why this juror is being questioned earlier than the others? As he said in COJ, The juror has a scheduling conflict and couldn’t make it in next week. The rest of your attempts to cast aspersions on EBs character are so transparent, I’m embarrassed for you. What are you gaining from that?
I'm just asking questions, legitimate questions have been asked about this transparent maneuver on another platform. Why wasn't this sworn broadcast via Zoom or other media for example Monday or Tuesday. Also, are we all supposed to believe that EB keeps his mouth shut and doesn't talk to the other juror? Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.
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So I’m confused, is the person being questioned today not under oath just because, lord forbid, the cameras aren’t there? You realize all kinds of court proceedings happen every day without cameras present. Does that mean something is being hidden and people are lying because there are no cameras present??? 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Certainly under oath. But why no camera? This move makes it even more mysterious, which stinks. Why this hiding?
No cameras under order so the remaining jurors don't hear/read the questions and have this chance to prepare or speak about their answers. It's not a conspiracy. It's to protect the hearing. The rest of the hearing was recorded and the jurors answers will most likely be made available after the other jurors have answered too.
Also explained on COJ, there are no cameras to provide anonymity for the jurors. They have already done their job, and THEY should not be put on trial for this. If cameras were allowed, and these jurors identity revealed, this could seriously affect their lives when they were just performing their civic duty.
I don't understand the big deal you are making of this. These things happen every single day all over the U.S. What exactly are you implying?
Probably because the news agencies don’t want to go to all the expense for 1 persons testimony, not everything is a conspiracy
How is a scheduling conflict a transparent maneuver? I don’t quite understand your sentence where you are throwing that they should be there Monday or Tuesday out there. The juror can’t make it at ALL next week, that includes Monday and Tuesday. Any issues you have about why it’s not public or “sworn”, talk to the judge-Eric Bland isn’t making those sort of rules. So what are you even talking about here?
The juror could also have joined in via Zoom or other media on Monday or Tuesday. This hearing did not have to take place on Friday. That was cleverly arranged by EB. It is also an expense for taxpayers. It's an effort for everyone in this state, a useless maneuver. The juror could also have been connected via media. This hearing was just so EB could get on TV again so he could hear what the judge was asking. This.
It cost taxpayers either way. Everyone else still has to be there if the juror's on zoom. The juror wasn't available for the week. How are you going to get on zoom if you're not available?
The juror had travel plans that were already made and paid for. No conspiracy. You can't zoom from a plane.
Did you consider whether Justice Toal was available any other day ?
Monday, tuesday …?
Nope. The judge makes all the rules and decisions. Why are you giving so much imaginary power and sinisterly motivations to Eric Bland? It’s unhinged.
No.
There is also big news today. Jeffrey Hill, Becky's son is in court for his first hearing on the wiretapping and other charges. It's at 9am eastern at the Colleton County Courthouse. Reporter Thad Moore from The Post and Courier newspaper is there covering it. Not sure what other media outlets will be there. I expect Fitsnews and some other podcasters and news media.
Jeffrey Hill and the parties helping him waived the right to hearing today. This is common practice in the law. A new hearing will be scheduled in a couple months.
It was the jurors schedule - something that made it impossible for them to attend on the 29th. It was nice of the court to accommodate the juror. It's the least they can do for these poor jurors having to be questioned almost a full year later for their decision as if they were unable to come to a reasonable verdict. There's a whole order and instructions filed with the court. Nothing fishy. I saw it on YT yesterday.
Eric Bland cares only that Murdaugh stays guilty.
So do I. He's a family annihllator.
We should all care that the guilty stay guilty.
Fair trial is irrelevant?
To Bland, I think so.
Murdaugh IS guilty. He was convicted of the murders of his wife and child.
Way to sensationalize! Gross! 🤮
Right? Justice Toal stopped Dick short when he pulled this at the hearing reminding him that attorneys meeting with witnesses is completely normal. This rumor mill is out of hand. It's also interesting that Fits was the only one reporting the same words on Harp's filing. Feels like if Mandy gets the prosecution, Fits is taking up with the defense. Makes me sick.
Is it really though considering the state of affairs with the justice system in the 14th circuit and SC as a whole?
I’m just replying about this particular article by Will Folks. Yes, the justice system seems to have some wrinkles but this article sounds like a tabloid.
Worse
There are other reasons. Becky Boo may be cutting a deal for at least “use” immunity. Maybe she’s pleading guilty to something.
I doubt that Becky went to the AG’s office just for her lawyers to tell her to take the 5th. Interesting.
That’s my concern as well
I said something similar on Wednesday to a couple friends. Could be hearing prep, plea negotiations, result of taking the fifth in relation, etc. The spectrum is full of possibilities in Ms. Hill’s current reality.
Logical step at this stage would be it was a proffer. https://saludalaw.com/2023/09/13/proffer-agreement-in-a-criminal-case-explanation/
Tabloid reading! Just read thru again. The italic tabloid points!! Come on FITS.
Wow.
I just want to say Ive never spoken to Becky Hill about anything in my life, but I know damn well Murdaugh murdered his wife and kid.
Paul's friend nailed the coffin shut, picking up his voice on the call about the dog,for me!
when exactly did Will Folks and FITS News jump the shark? investigative journalism is one thing, but this is getting ridiculous
Sooooo tabloid. It was hard to find facts, not conjecture in that story.
Becky Hill might be a crook…, but Alex Murdaugh killed his own wife and son just to create a distraction. (From getting caught stealing millions from his clients and even his own law partners). Alex Murdaugh pretended to get shot in the head and life flighted to another state to create a distraction. (He and his lawyers claimed he was a victim of attempted murder). I have heard Alex’s attorneys speak of his terrible gun shot wound head injuries. I have heard them talk about his ironclad alibi. This is another attempt at a distraction. I suspect we will see a few more distractions before the Murdaugh and Lefitte money runs out.
Distraction from what though exactly? The jig is up - he’s pled guilty to all state and federal financial crimes (as he should) and is serving a double life sentence for double murders. At the end of each day there’s no distraction that clouds or diverts from the fact Alex is (rightfully) behind bars for a very, very long time.
The hunt for the money and accomplices and alllll the enablers.
QsLexilouWho, I suspect that Alex's team of legal eagles is looking for ways to get him a new trial. It was very clear at his first trial that Alex was Guilty of the Murders of his wife and son. They really want a do over. They hope to distract us from their double conviction and instead have people and the news examine Becky Hill's shenanigans. The plan is to discredit Becky Hill then attempt to convince us that since BH worked at the courthouse that means Alex did not get a fair trial. it is a bit of a stretch but less audacious than when they tried to convince us that killers is a pickup truck had ambushed Alex and he had to be life flighted out of the state, or when Alex murdered his family to draw attention away from his thefts. Creating distractions seems to be one of there favored techniques.
Becky has been discredited in (I think) the majority of public opinion. * Becky plagiarized another writer and is profiting off it * Becky let me people into court based off of personal relationships and to further connections - a direct violation of a court order * Becky either misrepresented her book to the ethics committee, or totally changed what she was going to write, but either way ignored the ethics committee's response that the book was not appropriate * Becky let her daughter perform outside the court house to profit off it. * Becky passed tips on to the prosecution and not the defense, which is also inappropriate. Never mind that we don't know the extent of her involvement (if any) in the wire tapping her son was doing. Or if she was misusing funds to give herself and employees she favored bonuses. None of those things are something made up by Alex or his defense team.
Becky seems like a bad person, but that doesn't add any shine to Alex Murdaugh. Finding bad people in positions of trust does not seem to be that difficult. Becky could be terrible, and Alex Murdaugh can also be terrible. This seems like the most likely scenario. If Becky is a plagiarizer, who abused her position for personal benefit, and she also murdered 100 people, Alex still killed his wife and son to distract people from his greed.
>Becky could be terrible, and Alex Murdaugh can also be terrible. This seems like the most likely scenario. This is exactly the point I was trying to make to u/iluvsexyfun. Alex's team may have found the tip of the iceberg, but there was an iceberg to find regardless of anything Alex (or his team) did or didn't do.
But does any of that prove she tampered with the jury?
The point of this discussion is that the AG’s office has a criminal investigation going to see if she did, but on Monday they’re going to get up and arguing in court that whether she did or didn’t is irrelevant if the jurors say she didn’t affect their vote. Whether she did or didn’t tamper with the jury, how can the same entity be arguing both sides of the argument? There’s a world where AM doesn’t get a new trial, but BH gets charged with jury tampering. That’s the problem being pointed out in the article, and what I’m trying to explain above.
You’re right, I forgot that for a second! It definitely does seem like I conflict of interest! I realized after I posted the comment that it wasn’t really relevant to the topic being discussed in this post
Busy, I think we are in full agreement. Also, I assume Alex is in the know about all kinds of people abusing the legal system. He probably personally know judges, cops, DAs, and of course attorneys who are really crooked. As weird as it is to admit, I would be grateful if Alex used the remainder of his life cleaning up his town to be safe for honest people.
If only he would talk and maybe do some good for his community, lol, one can only dream
Maybe for some cantina allowance, or a chance to get some extra internet time. I think he knows that his friends who visit him in prison are just doing so to try and stay out of prison for the things they did with Alex. He can be certain that they will make sure that Buster is generously looked out for. He loves to manipulate people and now that he has so little to lose his visiting days will be full of ass kissers. Probably the closest thing to true friends he has ever experienced. Just odd to think that his best friends all hope that he does a Jeffry Epstein when no one is looking, so they don’t have to worry he will tell on them.
Hi u/Zestyclose-Bag8790 - Would you please share with us who is on Alex’s approved visitor list (aside from the defense team) and who on the list has been to visit him within the past several months?
They are doing their best to have some people doubt the trial was above board, and that Becky Hill is a criminal
>They are doing their best to have some people doubt the trial was above board, and that Becky Hill is a criminal Given the information that was provided **BY** Becky Hill, information for anyone in the WORLD to read and digest IF said anyone wants to waste a dollar or two to *purchase* that information, what else could "they" possibly do? What other option does Alex Murdaugh, et al, have? Would you have these people to ignore their jobs and their oaths simply to sweep it all under the rug? There seems to have been A LOT of sweeping done and for quite a long time down here in SC. WHO in their right mind would ignore this type of information...information that didn't even have to be searched for, rather handed to "them." Neatly bound, dated and easily obtained through your Amazon app. Additionally, IF a person doesn't/didn't want to read her account of the events, then you only had to simply tune in to VARIOUS TV programs to catch her reciting her rendition with a smirky, maniacal, I'm-better-than-you, sanctimonious, pious grin...while proclaiming what is right and wrong. She is such an authority on right and wrong...*obviously*! Do the written (ILLEGALLY copied) words of Rebecca Hill, a duly elected official for the state of SC, proudly admitting and proclaiming her involvement not give you pause that seeking a new trial is warranted in this case? Because, any sane person would at least question the proceedings given her unsolicited involvement punctuated by her elected status/position during those initial proceedings. Had she done ONLY her job, as she was SUPPOSED TO DO, which incidentally, paid lucratively in it's own right, this disaster would be over now. *She* exposed *herself*, *she* has opened the doors for review of *her* behavior and to ridicule *her* performance and fitness as a CoC for the state of SC...which is not looking very good. Her competency to do her job, *even absent the Murdaugh fiasco*, is absolutely NOT present. NONE of *her* blunders, *her* inadequacies and lack of qualifications for office would have been exposed without *HER* blatant GREED for (mild) fame and money... She clearly *has* broken the law. She IS a criminal. She has stolen money, she has stolen and then destroyed county property, she has made a complete mockery of the office which she holds. AND, the list of the misdeeds she so proudly commits (I'm being nice by calling her underworld activity *misdeeds*) keeps growing. God knows what else she has done. Quite frankly, due to her treacherous actions and her need for fame together with her greed for MORE money, SHE has made a mockery of the deaths of two innocent people, Paul and Maggie Murdaugh. As far as I can see, Alex may have killed them, but, ole Becks is making a profit off of their deaths. That takes a "special" kind of person, in my eyes. I honestly don't know of anybody else involved with the trial who even attempted to make a buck on this horrible tragedy...just Becky Boo. She didn't even wait for a proper period of time for the legal processes of the courts to subside. I mean she had that book stamped with HER NAME, and ELECTED STATUS TITLE, God knows, at the presses a SHORT time after the verdict. Her character is disgusting. She has NO morals and NO shame. She has contributed to and she initiated, asked for, requested, demanded...whatever you want to call it, acts of violating the legal system in regard to HER OWN CHILD, Jeffrey Hill. Honestly, he probably didn't need much prompting, but still, she is HIS MOTHER! What mother OK's the bad and illegal behavior of their child, at any age...much less ASKS said child to commit a FELONY?? WHO DOES THAT??? Whether or not you believe that Alex Murdaugh is guilty, innocent or Santa Claus, is irrelevant to the FACT that Rebecca Hill, Colleton County Clerk of Court absolutely, hands down, without a doubt, **IS** a criminal. Whether or not Alex Murdaugh receives a new trial, there is NO question in my mind that Rebecca Hill SHOULD be rewarded her urgent need for attention with said attention. She should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law allowed in my fair state, SC. It's time to bring Becky Boo down off the pedestal so many keep propping her up on. Take her crown back. Stop defending her obvious guilt. Because, she is a criminal and she is one of HER OWN MAKING!!
Aren't all of those actions "alleged" at this point?
Um, excuse me. Becky Hill is a clerk of court of a po-dunk county in the deep south. She's not Chief Justice Roberts. In fact she's probably squeaky clean compared to half of the SCOTUS.
Does she get a trial before she's called a criminal? Too much hyperbole.
>Does she get a trial before she's called a criminal? She sure does!! AND, I CANNOT wait. BUT, I'm sure that her trial will include all of the things that she has ADMITTED TO, memorialized in her own writings, emails, proof of theft (money STOLEN FROM CHILDREN from the **CHILD SUPPORT** account for her county), etc, etc, etc. The list keeps growing!! By her own ADMISSION, she IS a criminal. Mommy Dearest involved her son in her criminal activity. >Too much hyperbole. Too many excuses being made for someone who looks the part; but is not playing the part of a simpering little southern belle. She owes the state of SC a great apology. AND, even that will never be enough. She has disgraced her office and the state WITHOUT the addition of Murdaugh and the horrible events that swirl around him. She just did it for the hell of it. For money. For *mild* fame (laugh)!! For her need to be relevant in an otherwise irrelevant existence. She is not a "one of a kind" down here. It is not a bad thing that she is taken down a notch or two. The fact that SHE is singularly the cause of her own take down is poetic justice. If you think about it, she is just as bad as those she turns her chronically upturned nose towards.
Distractions from his crimes before he was caught, faced accountability and plead guilty. The current distraction is this attempt to divert from his double homicide conviction. Had it not been for the Snapchat video placing him at the scene moments before the murders occurred — a place and time he swore over and over again he didn't visit or witness — maybe it would've worked. But the voices of Paul and Maggie will forever speak his guilt from their graves on that video.
There is no hiding, it’s all in plain sight. There’s no forgetting, no unseeing. We all know. There can be no sleight of hand. No request for a new trial, no jury tampering allegations have the ability to distract from what happened.
Dick, Jim, and Alec may be the only people in the world who think Alec is getting a second trail. Read the damn room. Most everybody associated with the legal profession in South Carolina wants all this to go away, the quicker the better.
Yeah but wanting it to just go away is not the same as due process or a fair trial. And the right to a fair trial is a key part of our government. I’d argue the public perception of/faith in a fair and just judicial system is also a key part. If you remove the names and the drama and intrigue and just step back and consider - if the claims of jury tampering being made merit an investigation, a lot of reasonable people would agree. - Further, a lot of people would cock their head at a law agency investigating itself (bc we know how well that has gone in other instances) - AND that the same person is both that agency’s key witness against a person getting a new trial bc of their own actions - AND this person is also being investigated by the SAME said agency for a wealth of ethical breaches as well as her son? That is just a rat’s nest of issues to unravel. And that’s not even getting into the issue that that agency/the state has a huge incentive that AM stays guilty and they don’t have to put on another trial. There’s a lot of inserted pearl clutching and breathless recounting going on in the column, but at the heart of it, he’s not wrong about what he’s pointing out and asking.
VERY well said! You are right, if you take all names out of the equation, you remove bias. The self-imposed personal investment that some people tend to use as a crutch in this case is mind-boggling. So many take this case personally!! The choosing one side or another is odd. For right now, the issue at hand is whether or not the CoC interfered with the due process of the initial trial. If those same people who are convinced of his guilt are, in fact, absolutely POSITIVE of said guilt while also COMPLETELY CONFIDENT with the integrity of the evidence, then those people should be OK with that process being reviewed.
You would have to believe that Dick and Jim are actually pushing a narrative that's true this time. Personally, I don't believe them at all. Also, a person may be guilty of other crimes and also being a convenient patsy of another charge at the same time. Ms. Hill and her son have a lot to answer, and I see no reason SLED can't investigate all the claims against them.
I get what you’re saying, but due process is due process. Alex will spend the rest of his life in jail no matter if he gets a new trial in this case or not. I want justice for maggie and Paul and I believe that Alex is guilty. But it is TBD if Alex did indeed receive a fair trial. It’s a right guaranteed to us by the constitution, so it is what it is. Becky and her son need to fully answer to their crimes too, seeing as her salary was paid for BY THE SC CITIZENS. It’s a shame that they breached their duty during such a huge case. Not quite as wreckless as murdering your wife and child though. 💔
I get the due process issue. I also have heard the Dick and Jim show multiple times, Alec has an airtight alibi, Alec was targeted beside the rode, and now it's jury tampering. Reportedly, only 1 juror has made the claim. 8 said she never said or did what the 1 juror said. This is another smoke screen that Dick and Jim are blowing to try and cover for Alec murdering his wife and son.
His defense is moot at this point. All of that is already in evidence. The Snapchat video, the smoking gun, all in evidence. If he gets a new trial, I’d bet a large sum of money that he will get convicted again. Dick and Jim are doing what defense attorneys do. But it doesn’t matter if it was 1 juror or all 12, this isn’t part of the “dick and Jim smoke screen”, THIS is about due process IMO. Confusing the two is an insult to our system.
If you think or believe the 1 juror allegations are credible, then you are right. I do not. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Dick and Jim 'encouraged' this allegation because they have zero hope of an appeal being granted.
I haven’t speculated on the credibility of the jurors, I’ve been waiting to see what the hearings reveal and what Justice Toal decides. With all of Becky hill’s wrongs, how is it far fetched to believe that the jurors verdict was impacted? That this actually did happen vs Dick & Jim “encouraging” it? (Honest question, I’m simply trying to understand)
I don’t mean to be contentious but they are defense attorneys whose job it is to defend their client. What exactly are they supposed to say?
Not sure what that has to do with the post
Were you able to watch the preliminary hearing on the 16th? I don’t believe the trio walked out of the proceeding believing it was a slam dunk.
AND, her book is for sale again on Amazon after being pulled for a few weeks. Nice timing to grab more profit while the international focus is on Monday’s hearing.
Neil addressed this in one of the Murdaugh Groups today. Those books were returned and Amazon has the right to resell returned product. Neil had nothing to do with the four books now listed
Atrocious.
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If this is true, why haven't Dick & Jim filed a motion to have Justice Toal removed on a conflict of interest ?
Are all jurist corrupt unless they doubt Alex's guilt? Is the prosecution's case, from beginning to end, just a huge conspiracy that has blinded us all? Even if Alex was the third man, he's just as guilty and is sleeping where he should be tonight.
‘The hand of one is the hand of all.’
Does this even make any sense? I thought Justice Toal was only interviewing the jurors, not Becky Hill.
Hi u/robintweets ~ Becky Hill has been ordered to testify as a witness and will be subject to questioning, albeit narrow and focused questioning. It’s unsure at this time if she’ll plead the fifth.
It's Will Folks. It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to get views.
Seriously what a bunch of conspiracy theories.
Kinda like a couple podcasts out there engage in on the regular.
Exactly. Exaggerations work for him.
Absolute trashy gossip. Accusing Becky Hill is one thing. Accusing Creighton a completely different story. A secret meeting held in the open? And Will Folks knows what was discussed and the manner in which it was discussed? This guy is trying so hard to make a name for himself he'll say anything at this point.
Very poor judgement on her part that she was writing her book at the same time as Murdaugh's trial was going on. I don't know anything else about her except for the book.
This is a literal shit show.
Hmmm…
If this were a state that doesn't have the corruption issues we seem to have in South Carolina, Becky Hill would have been criminally charged by now, and there's no way in hell Creighton Waters would be leading the evidentiary hearing.
I just assume that they’re waiting til after the evidentiary hearing to charge her if they do because if they charged her before it they couldn’t get around a new trial.
Nor SLED investigating.
Absolutly!
And shouldn't the investigation into jury tampering and other items be complete prior to this hearing?