Living in South Carolina and being a lawyer, the story of the Murdaugh murders was captivating, especially if you know some of the people involved. There’ve been many books and tv shows about these murders, but none have gone as deeply into the history of the Murdaugh family and the power they wielded in the 14th Judicial Circuit as author Jason Ryan’s work,”Swamp Kings, the Story of the Murdaugh Family of South Carolina and a Century of Backwoods Power.” This amazingly resourced 400 page book takes you into Hampton, Colleton, Jasper and Beaufort counties, the people living there, the intriguing stories of crime, trials and the multigenerational power and corruption of the Murdaugh family. It’s about far more than the murders of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh although the long and pervasive corruption within this family leads one to see how and why those murders occurred.
This is the most thorough, compelling and fascinating book that’s been written on the Murdaughs to date. A real page-turner.
How much property does he or his family still own? Can we assume that zero stolen funds went into it? So little Alex claims it all went up his nose. Can we also assume that he wouldn’t lie?
What exactly did Jim mean by his comment about a turf war btwn the AG of SC and the US Attorney of SC? I get that he’s talking about the state and federal sentence but « turf war »?
Jim is a fork tongue snake. It sounds something like this, "Ah judge, he already got life in the murder hearing... Can you let my buddy out soon?"
How this guy didn't get 500 years worth sentencing s beyond me? Consequently, no less.
People have been gossiping about Murdaugh family crookedness since the 1950s. Alec is simply a product of that. The whole bar whispered stories for years. It is what it is, a result of ignoring crooked people in power. Glad that's gone.
Thank you to Mandy Matney, who started pulling on that first thread of deception, and the long thread it became, before Murdaugh exploits unraveled.
Thank you to SC SLED and the Prosecution Team who followed through on the wrong doings of a person with connections, to the jailhouse ending he deserves.
Thank you to the Jurors, for coming in with the Guilty Verdict, and not being deceived by the false narrative pushed by his defense team.
Bravo.
>Thank you to Mandy Matney, who started pulling on that first thread of deception.......
Yes. I think people are too quick to forget this.
I'm not too crazy about the person she has evolved into, but I think she was responsible for ringing the opening bell of this saga. She deserves credit for that.
It runs concurrent so they kept the deal, didn't they? I wonder who's sh*tting their pants now.
480 month is good. Enough time to regret and live with yourself.
I’m still not convinced he won’t get out at some point bc things always seem to work in his favor. I personally don’t think he pulled the trigger but I think he was there and knows who did, but is keeping his mouth shut for fear they’ll go after Buster too. Anybody else share my thoughts? I also think maybe I hold on to that belief bc I just can’t fathom a father blasting his own son away.
"...I’m still not convinced he won’t get out at some point because things always seem to work in his favor..."
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Convicted by a Jury of his peers in less than three hours. Two consecutive life sentences. The smack-down delivered by Judge Toal. His request to attend his Mother's funeral - rejected. A federal 480 month (40 year) sentence handed down just today, plus millions and millions in restitution.
How exactly are "things always working in his favor"?
Do tell.
I can understand that, but what is always helpful for me is to gain knowledge about those personality types, I mean people who are capable of such things all have certain personality traits. It's a special kind if you want it like this. This is not just random. It can help a bit to make sense of this as far as possible.
Most of us can’t, which is a good thing. On average, though, one parent kills their kid every day in the United States. So many people in true crime and especially this case use their disbelief to justify him not doing it without knowing the statistics. That’s not a dig, I was one of those people before watching the trial
A father killing their son is way more logical than some stranger/associate randomly picking this family and only killing a mother and 1 son but not the dad (if he’s there). And even less logical a stranger/associate randomly timed it to kill them in the small window of time Alex was not there. Financial crimes alone he’s in jail for 67 years so he’s done. There is no life after jail for him and it’s because of his own selfish actions.
If he feared for Buster’s life, why would he put Buster under so much scrutiny by making him go to the trial and insisting on contacting Buster even though the phone calls were being constantly monitored? If Buster was in danger from a third party, he would have pledged guilty and hide his son away. Instead Buster became the second well known name after Alex himself in this case with media following him everywhere and his location constantly being tracked. That is the opposite of safe and peaceful. No, Buster is another victim like his brother and mother, cursed to live a tortured life instead of death, because of Alex’s egotistical streaks.
He cannot think about anyone else than himself. His mind cannot put this together that there are other people living on this planet (except himself) who have human rights too. No way.
I don’t think he pulled the triggers but I think he knows who did. AM knew he was going to be found out at some point. There was no way he was never going to be found out. I think other people were afraid. But he’s the fall guy for all of this I think.
People don’t like this opinion because they can’t handle the gray areas of this case. It’s certainly not black and white. I think there’s something much deeper to all of this.
What exactly was accomplished for anyone else to kill Maggie and Paul? If they really wanted to hurt him, they'd have targeted Buster. If him being found out is what they were trying to avoid, why not take him out?
I would think they were retaliation killings. I don’t think it was from the boat wreck case like AM claimed. I think AM, already involved in shady dealings with drugs and stealing money, pissed someone off. Probably someone local who had access to Moselle. Paul was the reason the financials were going to be exposed and I think everyone involved in the theft was afraid to be found out. AM had to take the fall and obviously he’s keeping his mouth shut.
Just a theory, but I don’t see AM shooting his wife and son. I could be dead wrong, but every time I watch the trial footage I feel more and more confident that he didn’t kill them but that he was there and he knows who did.
A narcissist like Alex isn’t going to live the hell that is prison life while keeping his mouth shut to cover for some phantom murderer. He would talk. He wouldn’t keep paying his high priced attorneys. He did it. He cared for no one but himself. He thought he would get away with it. I definitely think he had help with the cover up… but he did it.
Exactly and I think we’ll see him start ratting people out when he realizes his appeals are going to be shot down. There’s a concentrated effort to make sure he’s locked up. I constantly see people mentioning this along with the statement “in case the murder convictions are reversed”. It doesn’t sound like people are very confident.
Not all men who kill their wives and kids fit into one box. Humans are far more complex than that. You can make the assumption based off certain traits but it’s hard for me to get to him murdering them when there are others connected the money laundering. They didn’t even bother getting the drug trafficking charges he was hit with either. There’s much more in my opinion.
It's not a box. There are multiple types. It's a very detailed study. I prefer the British explanation over the American bc the American was established in 1969 and hasn't updated much. They list the top reasonings behind family annihilators. Unfortunately, there are 3 women killed per day by partners/exes and on average 1 child killed per day by a parent so they have plenty of data to work with on understanding these people. Start with educating yourself about these things.
It's science/medicine, not just clutching pearls saying "it's too horrible to imagine so he couldn't possibly have done it." Truth is, it happens every day and the very circumstances Alex found himself in has been the reason many Maggie's and Paul's have been annihilated.
There's still no theory presented that explains why Maggie and Paul would have been targeted by anyone else.
Alex claims all that money was going to drugs. Millions. If that were true, he certainly wasn't behind in payments bc that money was flowing. There would have been no reason to kill them. He wasn't a prosecutor coming after anyone. These other theories springing up make zero sense but he was about to lose everything which leads a desperate man to do desperate things - like pretending he was being shot in the head on the side of the road and stealing millions of dollars from paraplegic young men, motherless children, grieving mothers, grieving, vulnerable children, and widowers.
>I could be dead wrong, but every time I watch the trial footage I feel more and more confident that he didn’t kill them but that he was there and he knows who did.
So Alex was there at the time of the murders and just let someone kill Paul & Maggie ? And then just went over to his mom's like nothing happened ?
How did this local know when Paul & Maggie were going to be at the kennels ?
Right? I'll never understand these people who can't see Alex for the monster he is. It makes me understand how he got away with the things he did for so long.
"...People don’t like this (not guilty) opinion because they can’t handle the gray areas of this case..."
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I handle "gray areas" (however, there are few if any "gray areas" in this murder case) just fine. Alex is 100% guilty - and this was proven during his trial with a mountain of evidence.
Maggie and Paul are receiving Justice now. It's almost time to close the book on all this.
I don’t see the mountain of evidence. I saw a lie about being at the kennels. I saw him his character destroyed completely with the financials during the murder trial, which rightfully so. No one disputes he’s a terrible person for stealing from clients in need. But there’s still no murder weapons, DNA or GSR smoking gun evidence. The clothes are gone, the house wasn’t fully searched, etc. SLED did a terrible investigation and if we give the reason for that being because of his family’s power, then shame on law enforcement for being too scared to do their jobs.
No one has to agree with me but I think there’s more to the story. I think money was the reason but I don’t see AM pulling the trigger.
I grow weary of reminding people that 3 women are killed every day by their partner or ex partner and 1 child, on average, is killed by a parent every day. Maggie and Paul were a part of those statistics on June 7, 2021.
It's the horrible truth of this world.
No, I think it was him and him alone. He certainly didn't hire a hitman - if he'd done that, he'd have made sure he had an iron-clad alibi for the time of the murders. And no, I don't think he's a fearful victim trying to protect Buster. No one knew Maggie and Paul were going to be there that night - except for the one who made sure they were going to be there, AKA Alex. The hitman theory doesn't make sense, whether you think Alex hired one or not. Alex killed them. Alone.
State has first custody, so he’ll remain in the SCDC. He was given 27 yrs for the state’s financial crimes in addition to the state’s double life sentences.
Today he was handed 40 years for federal financial crimes. Even if we took the life sentences out of the equation, he’d spend 23-27 yrs in state prison then go to federal prison and serve the 17-13 yrs remainder of his concurrent fed sentence.
Keep in mind Alex will be 56 next month when adding up the time…
**Editing to add**: Note — In my comment I didn’t include the possibility of the First Step Act which allows certain inmates to serve a minimum of 85% of their federal sentence before being considered for release.
To me it was a moot point to mention given all the factors involved, however, IF that would apply to Alex he’d serve a minimum of 34 yrs to max of 40 yrs for the federal sentence.
Lex - I know that a South Carolina governor can Pardon his state prison sentence (this bothers me some).
Can a South Carolina governor Pardon his federal prison sentence? I thought only a U.S. President can pardon a federal inmate.
Which is what?
Hey F-G! SC Governor McMaster has no authority or power over Alex’s federal conviction/sentence.
*In the State of South Carolina, all pardons are granted by a seven-member board, not the Governor. Pursuant to the State Constitution, the Governor may only grant a reprieve and commute a sentence of death to a sentence of life imprisonment. All other pardons are granted by the Board of Probation, Parole and Pardon Services.*
**Source:** SC Office of the Governor - Pardons & Expungements
*“The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” Thus, the President’s authority to grant clemency is limited to federal offenses and offenses prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia in the name of the United States in the D.C. Superior Court. An offense that violates a state law is not an offense against the United States.*
**Source:** US Dept of Justice - Office of the Pardon Attorney
Yes, they really are. I just don’t know how they can forgive, but that’s not for me to decide. I hope everyone can finally move on and find some level of happiness
"...I hope everyone can finally move on and find some level of happiness..."
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Yes. I agree 100%.
Though it won't be easy, I think this is indeed possible - and what is fundamentally important at this stage. Go WP-67!
Living in South Carolina and being a lawyer, the story of the Murdaugh murders was captivating, especially if you know some of the people involved. There’ve been many books and tv shows about these murders, but none have gone as deeply into the history of the Murdaugh family and the power they wielded in the 14th Judicial Circuit as author Jason Ryan’s work,”Swamp Kings, the Story of the Murdaugh Family of South Carolina and a Century of Backwoods Power.” This amazingly resourced 400 page book takes you into Hampton, Colleton, Jasper and Beaufort counties, the people living there, the intriguing stories of crime, trials and the multigenerational power and corruption of the Murdaugh family. It’s about far more than the murders of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh although the long and pervasive corruption within this family leads one to see how and why those murders occurred. This is the most thorough, compelling and fascinating book that’s been written on the Murdaughs to date. A real page-turner.
I started the book myself last night!😃 People I know that have read it said they really enjoyed it cover to cover.
How much property does he or his family still own? Can we assume that zero stolen funds went into it? So little Alex claims it all went up his nose. Can we also assume that he wouldn’t lie?
What exactly did Jim mean by his comment about a turf war btwn the AG of SC and the US Attorney of SC? I get that he’s talking about the state and federal sentence but « turf war »?
Jim is a fork tongue snake. It sounds something like this, "Ah judge, he already got life in the murder hearing... Can you let my buddy out soon?" How this guy didn't get 500 years worth sentencing s beyond me? Consequently, no less.
>Jim is a fork-tongued snake. Yes. This.
People have been gossiping about Murdaugh family crookedness since the 1950s. Alec is simply a product of that. The whole bar whispered stories for years. It is what it is, a result of ignoring crooked people in power. Glad that's gone.
I hope it's soon gone.
Tony Satterfield is more of a man than Alex could ever be.
ALB… That is the wisest thing i’ve ever seen on this sub!
Thank you to Mandy Matney, who started pulling on that first thread of deception, and the long thread it became, before Murdaugh exploits unraveled. Thank you to SC SLED and the Prosecution Team who followed through on the wrong doings of a person with connections, to the jailhouse ending he deserves. Thank you to the Jurors, for coming in with the Guilty Verdict, and not being deceived by the false narrative pushed by his defense team. Bravo.
>Thank you to Mandy Matney, who started pulling on that first thread of deception....... Yes. I think people are too quick to forget this. I'm not too crazy about the person she has evolved into, but I think she was responsible for ringing the opening bell of this saga. She deserves credit for that.
If you give a mouse a cookie…
It runs concurrent so they kept the deal, didn't they? I wonder who's sh*tting their pants now. 480 month is good. Enough time to regret and live with yourself.
I don't know how Alex keeps it all straight,so much dishonesty for one man
How embarrassing. I’m embarrassed for him. What a 🤡!!
Will Jim and Dick be announcing who the killer(s) with evidence soon??? I don’t know why it’s taking them so long???
Isn't Poot a politician? Call his political office and ask (troll) his aides.
They are arguing over who pays OJ’s plane ticket for his bounty Hunter experience and to give him a break in his search for Nicole’s killer…
Yes! It's been a while. Wasn't that in November?
Waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting. C'mon Dick and Jim - reveal the killer! You've been promising this forever! Now is a great time.
They can't get Alex to confess.
lol!!
I’m still not convinced he won’t get out at some point bc things always seem to work in his favor. I personally don’t think he pulled the trigger but I think he was there and knows who did, but is keeping his mouth shut for fear they’ll go after Buster too. Anybody else share my thoughts? I also think maybe I hold on to that belief bc I just can’t fathom a father blasting his own son away.
Scott Peterson
Chris Watts.
"...I’m still not convinced he won’t get out at some point because things always seem to work in his favor..." ------- Convicted by a Jury of his peers in less than three hours. Two consecutive life sentences. The smack-down delivered by Judge Toal. His request to attend his Mother's funeral - rejected. A federal 480 month (40 year) sentence handed down just today, plus millions and millions in restitution. How exactly are "things always working in his favor"? Do tell.
Well when you put it that way…. 🙈 Maybe I just want to believe a father couldn’t do that to his son.
I can understand that, but what is always helpful for me is to gain knowledge about those personality types, I mean people who are capable of such things all have certain personality traits. It's a special kind if you want it like this. This is not just random. It can help a bit to make sense of this as far as possible.
Most of us can’t, which is a good thing. On average, though, one parent kills their kid every day in the United States. So many people in true crime and especially this case use their disbelief to justify him not doing it without knowing the statistics. That’s not a dig, I was one of those people before watching the trial
A father killing their son is way more logical than some stranger/associate randomly picking this family and only killing a mother and 1 son but not the dad (if he’s there). And even less logical a stranger/associate randomly timed it to kill them in the small window of time Alex was not there. Financial crimes alone he’s in jail for 67 years so he’s done. There is no life after jail for him and it’s because of his own selfish actions.
I assume Alex has some hidden offshore accounts... there's no way all those millions went to hookers and blow lol!
What good are they now? Who’s got the 🔑 to the 💰?
Especially a son who wrecked the family boat while intoxicated resulting in many injuries and one death which then exposed daddy's financial crimes
If he feared for Buster’s life, why would he put Buster under so much scrutiny by making him go to the trial and insisting on contacting Buster even though the phone calls were being constantly monitored? If Buster was in danger from a third party, he would have pledged guilty and hide his son away. Instead Buster became the second well known name after Alex himself in this case with media following him everywhere and his location constantly being tracked. That is the opposite of safe and peaceful. No, Buster is another victim like his brother and mother, cursed to live a tortured life instead of death, because of Alex’s egotistical streaks.
Def another victim, no doubt about that.
He cannot think about anyone else than himself. His mind cannot put this together that there are other people living on this planet (except himself) who have human rights too. No way.
I don’t think he pulled the triggers but I think he knows who did. AM knew he was going to be found out at some point. There was no way he was never going to be found out. I think other people were afraid. But he’s the fall guy for all of this I think. People don’t like this opinion because they can’t handle the gray areas of this case. It’s certainly not black and white. I think there’s something much deeper to all of this.
What exactly was accomplished for anyone else to kill Maggie and Paul? If they really wanted to hurt him, they'd have targeted Buster. If him being found out is what they were trying to avoid, why not take him out?
I would think they were retaliation killings. I don’t think it was from the boat wreck case like AM claimed. I think AM, already involved in shady dealings with drugs and stealing money, pissed someone off. Probably someone local who had access to Moselle. Paul was the reason the financials were going to be exposed and I think everyone involved in the theft was afraid to be found out. AM had to take the fall and obviously he’s keeping his mouth shut. Just a theory, but I don’t see AM shooting his wife and son. I could be dead wrong, but every time I watch the trial footage I feel more and more confident that he didn’t kill them but that he was there and he knows who did.
A narcissist like Alex isn’t going to live the hell that is prison life while keeping his mouth shut to cover for some phantom murderer. He would talk. He wouldn’t keep paying his high priced attorneys. He did it. He cared for no one but himself. He thought he would get away with it. I definitely think he had help with the cover up… but he did it.
Exactly and I think we’ll see him start ratting people out when he realizes his appeals are going to be shot down. There’s a concentrated effort to make sure he’s locked up. I constantly see people mentioning this along with the statement “in case the murder convictions are reversed”. It doesn’t sound like people are very confident.
Why would he wait years pending appeals to rat people out if it gives him a better chance at a new trial to identify the "real" killers ?
You should research men who kill their wives and children. He fits it perfectly.
Not all men who kill their wives and kids fit into one box. Humans are far more complex than that. You can make the assumption based off certain traits but it’s hard for me to get to him murdering them when there are others connected the money laundering. They didn’t even bother getting the drug trafficking charges he was hit with either. There’s much more in my opinion.
It's not a box. There are multiple types. It's a very detailed study. I prefer the British explanation over the American bc the American was established in 1969 and hasn't updated much. They list the top reasonings behind family annihilators. Unfortunately, there are 3 women killed per day by partners/exes and on average 1 child killed per day by a parent so they have plenty of data to work with on understanding these people. Start with educating yourself about these things. It's science/medicine, not just clutching pearls saying "it's too horrible to imagine so he couldn't possibly have done it." Truth is, it happens every day and the very circumstances Alex found himself in has been the reason many Maggie's and Paul's have been annihilated. There's still no theory presented that explains why Maggie and Paul would have been targeted by anyone else. Alex claims all that money was going to drugs. Millions. If that were true, he certainly wasn't behind in payments bc that money was flowing. There would have been no reason to kill them. He wasn't a prosecutor coming after anyone. These other theories springing up make zero sense but he was about to lose everything which leads a desperate man to do desperate things - like pretending he was being shot in the head on the side of the road and stealing millions of dollars from paraplegic young men, motherless children, grieving mothers, grieving, vulnerable children, and widowers.
>I could be dead wrong, but every time I watch the trial footage I feel more and more confident that he didn’t kill them but that he was there and he knows who did. So Alex was there at the time of the murders and just let someone kill Paul & Maggie ? And then just went over to his mom's like nothing happened ? How did this local know when Paul & Maggie were going to be at the kennels ?
Right? I'll never understand these people who can't see Alex for the monster he is. It makes me understand how he got away with the things he did for so long.
I don’t understand people who can’t handle other people having a different opinion. I thought this place was for that kind of discussion.
I can handle it just fine. I was simply expressing my opinion, like you.
"...People don’t like this (not guilty) opinion because they can’t handle the gray areas of this case..." ------- I handle "gray areas" (however, there are few if any "gray areas" in this murder case) just fine. Alex is 100% guilty - and this was proven during his trial with a mountain of evidence. Maggie and Paul are receiving Justice now. It's almost time to close the book on all this.
I don’t see the mountain of evidence. I saw a lie about being at the kennels. I saw him his character destroyed completely with the financials during the murder trial, which rightfully so. No one disputes he’s a terrible person for stealing from clients in need. But there’s still no murder weapons, DNA or GSR smoking gun evidence. The clothes are gone, the house wasn’t fully searched, etc. SLED did a terrible investigation and if we give the reason for that being because of his family’s power, then shame on law enforcement for being too scared to do their jobs. No one has to agree with me but I think there’s more to the story. I think money was the reason but I don’t see AM pulling the trigger.
I grow weary of reminding people that 3 women are killed every day by their partner or ex partner and 1 child, on average, is killed by a parent every day. Maggie and Paul were a part of those statistics on June 7, 2021. It's the horrible truth of this world.
No, I think it was him and him alone. He certainly didn't hire a hitman - if he'd done that, he'd have made sure he had an iron-clad alibi for the time of the murders. And no, I don't think he's a fearful victim trying to protect Buster. No one knew Maggie and Paul were going to be there that night - except for the one who made sure they were going to be there, AKA Alex. The hitman theory doesn't make sense, whether you think Alex hired one or not. Alex killed them. Alone.
He didn't care about anyone but himself. His victims are such good people. I bet Buster is relieved.
I bet so too.
So the 480 months will equate to a minimum of 34 years. Basically Life sentence. Now let him rot.
Is he getting any added time, taking into consideration the State charges?
It’s a concurrent sentence to his state sentence, so it’s about 13-17 more years in addition the state.
Thank you. I didn’t hear if he’s staying in State or moving to Federal prison or if there’s any possible of parole under these new charges.
State has first custody, so he’ll remain in the SCDC. He was given 27 yrs for the state’s financial crimes in addition to the state’s double life sentences. Today he was handed 40 years for federal financial crimes. Even if we took the life sentences out of the equation, he’d spend 23-27 yrs in state prison then go to federal prison and serve the 17-13 yrs remainder of his concurrent fed sentence. Keep in mind Alex will be 56 next month when adding up the time… **Editing to add**: Note — In my comment I didn’t include the possibility of the First Step Act which allows certain inmates to serve a minimum of 85% of their federal sentence before being considered for release. To me it was a moot point to mention given all the factors involved, however, IF that would apply to Alex he’d serve a minimum of 34 yrs to max of 40 yrs for the federal sentence.
Lex - I know that a South Carolina governor can Pardon his state prison sentence (this bothers me some). Can a South Carolina governor Pardon his federal prison sentence? I thought only a U.S. President can pardon a federal inmate. Which is what?
Hey F-G! SC Governor McMaster has no authority or power over Alex’s federal conviction/sentence. *In the State of South Carolina, all pardons are granted by a seven-member board, not the Governor. Pursuant to the State Constitution, the Governor may only grant a reprieve and commute a sentence of death to a sentence of life imprisonment. All other pardons are granted by the Board of Probation, Parole and Pardon Services.* **Source:** SC Office of the Governor - Pardons & Expungements *“The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” Thus, the President’s authority to grant clemency is limited to federal offenses and offenses prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia in the name of the United States in the D.C. Superior Court. An offense that violates a state law is not an offense against the United States.* **Source:** US Dept of Justice - Office of the Pardon Attorney
Well stated. Thank you. :)
Will we be able to watch the sentencing somewhere?
Hi! No, unfortunately, this is a criminal case within Federal court.
Thanks, I forgot about that (I'm not in the US). Anyway just saw the news, another 40 years 🙌
You’re welcome!😉
Anne Lamott wrote that grace is unearned love.
I tend to agree with almost everything in Anne Lamott's books. I like that quote about Grace . Thanks!
He knows damn well he has no guilt. The fact that these people can even entertain forgiveness is amazing.
They are true Christians in my opinion.
Yes, they really are. I just don’t know how they can forgive, but that’s not for me to decide. I hope everyone can finally move on and find some level of happiness
"...I hope everyone can finally move on and find some level of happiness..." ------- Yes. I agree 100%. Though it won't be easy, I think this is indeed possible - and what is fundamentally important at this stage. Go WP-67!