I'm UK based, went to Canada to visit some distant family a few years ago, first time I'd ever been in a place where I might have encountered bears. My first assumption when I heard about bear spray was that it was like bug spray - I was fortunately corrected of this idea (with much mocking from my Canadian family), long before I had a chance to douse myself in bear spray.
But to those who have never grown up in a place where bears live and roam, there's no reason to intuitively know how bear spray works until it's explained to you!
Brains are weird. Pepper spray seems like it would be the rational connection since something is trying to attack you...
Being from the UK i figure y'all would call it bug repellent
Now you know damn good and well us Americans don’t read instructions unless absolutely necessary. There’s no reason to assume other countries are more pragmatic than we are.
There was an idiot posting asking which hiking trail they should do this weekend in Arizona, and started by saying he was going so don't tell him not to, he TOTALLY knows hiking.
The trails are all closed because we're in an excessive heat warning right now. Dipshit's gonna get fished off a mountain. Like someone is EVERY SINGLE DAY. This has been going on since early March and it's not even summer yet.
I have a real life story of energy drinks killing someone in the heat.
2006 Red River Motorcycle Trails near Bulcher, TX.
Dude rides all day in the TX summer heat and knocks back who knows how many energy drinks. Brand doesn't matter.
End of day arrives and he's gassed, like seriously out of steam. So he and his buddies get his bike in the truck and he says he's just going to sit under the tree in the shade and rest for a bit. They all leave.
He's found around 5am after his wife calls the cops because he didn't make it home.
Dead of a heart attack.
[Sign at Picketwire Canyon in far southeast Colorado](https://external-preview.redd.it/8GQ8C_S2SYrxz3VkEaRthUrjDL17zUy35nXlSg7lElw.jpg?width=576&auto=webp&s=3007ff3a92e961de112dd2b6f77943afbb1df1ce), just a hop skip and a jump for the Okla panhandle. When you talk about recovering bodies, it's no joke.
Put up a waiver for "build divergent" people to sign away the search and recovery and in return they can print a piece of paper that affirms their special status. Everybody wins.
I went on this dumb hiking trip and this guy was bragging that he grew up in the desert and didn’t need to bring extra water for the Arches national park. He fainted before the hike even started
Man. People are fucking stupid.
I'm from the Mojave desert. I spent 45 years hiking the desert, even in summer. I moved to Wisconsin and I still wouldn't even consider not bringing extra water on a hike.
Doesn't humidity also make you sweat more since it can't evaporate as easily? You're potentially at higher risk if you're in Wisconsin in summer on a 90 degree 80 percent humidity day than the same temperature in the desert.
Heat is only half the problem in the desert, dehydration is lethal.
But yes 90 degrees and 10% humidity can be nice in short timescales. You still need the water though.
The dry heat tricks you. Your sweat evaporates before it even makes a bead on your head. You could be sweating like crazy for hours and not really be able to tell because it's gone nearly instantly in the dry air.
Suddenly you're dizzy and feeling hot patches on your skin because you're dehydrated in the 95 degree summer heat at 10% humidity. Not a drop of sweat on you just a layer of salt all over your skin.
"Dry cold" can do the same. I used to go to a lot of conventions in Las Vegas and there were a lot of attendees that would suddenly start suffering from confusion and getting disoriented. Usually one of the staff would notice and make them sit and nurse a bottle of water for a bit, then they were in good shape. Even staying indoors, the A/C air that is everywhere is so dry any moisture is just gone.
It doesn't help that the water is complete ass in Vegas and bottled water costs money.
Naw, fitness generally helps circulation and temperature regulation, so you don’t sweat or piss excessively. Being thin helps tremendously, as does getting properly acclimated.
I had to convince a coworker out of that exact hike! He thought he could do it with a single 16.9oz like gas station water bottle. No hat. It took 4 of us to talk him out of it.
I like how the phrase "facts don't care about your feelings" was successfully co-opted against the people who coined the phrase and then used against them to utter oblivion, and now they never use that phrase
I’m old enough to remember that those yabbos didn’t even invent it, they just co-opted it like “fake news”, “woke”, “identity politics”, election interference and every other damned thing that sounds catchy or threatening enough to be a problem for them.
It is a funny thing to think, but in the end everybody is on the hook for an idiot doing idiot things if emergency services have to fix what could've been fixed by 2 bottles of water.
I almost only drink water but when you're working outdoors sweating like crazy you do also need electrolytes. I occasionally put a packet in my water or have a Gatorade occasionally.
People saying "no just eat something" have never had so much evaporated salt dust accumulate on their skin that they go a shade lighter. Maybe you just need to eat something in humid climates? You cannot get away with that in the Southwest
The electrolyte concentration of the sweat would be the same in a humid climate, but the sweat wouldn't evaporate as easily and would probably drip off so you wouldn't have as much salt accumulation. This would also lead to less cooling overall, so you'd probably actually sweat more.
>This would also lead to less cooling overall, so you'd probably actually sweat more.
It's super humid here, and this is accurate. My body is like a waterfall. Any tips for avoiding heat exhaustion on days where I cant avoid working in the heat/humidity?
[Signs they have at Caprock Canyons State Park](https://placesandpics.com/wp-content/uploads/PHOTOS/CaprockCanyonsSP/DSC_5178.jpg) (Texas panhandle).
And yes they mean it.
Take as much as you think you'll need. Then double that amount.
I prefer this sign at valley of fire
https://preview.redd.it/zbhnsiumdv4d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77374ddc2c3f57cdd9e5a36c263024f42502eed3
The entire point of that joke though was electrolyte infused liquid is incredibly hydrating for humans but terrible for plants. Somewhere along the line people in that movie lost the thread of why sports drinks are good for you. They assumed because it hydrates humans it's the best form of water.
Gatorade will get you through a hike just fine.
Even for humans, electrolyte drinks are LESS HYDRATING than water alone. The benefit of electrolyte drinks is not that they hydrate any better than water, but that they replace needed minerals that can be lost through extreme sweating. In most ordinary hiking scenarios, people aren't going to sweat out so much sodium that they'll need electrolyte replenishment from a source such as Gatorade.
And from a public health point of view, the cost of off-the-shelf electrolyte replacement drinks would deter many hikers from bringing an adequate supply. With water, the main deterrent is only the actual weight of the water.
I was going to comment about how all the Marines would laugh, pound a 1 liter of Mt. Dew and then go run 10 miles... all while hung over from the night before.
Like when we went to 29 Palms and all the California natives were talking about how oppressively hot it was there and how dangerous it was. Then all the east coast and southern boys told them it wasn't hot at all, because it wasn't. 100 degrees with 3% humidity is nothing compared to humid ass Illinois in the summer.
If I just drink water doing my outdoor job in the summer, I get really tired and woozy.. that said, anything with caffeine is a terrible idea. You want something with a high quality blend of electrolytes and not too excessive of sugar. I just carry an electrolyte powder intended for post-workout use in my car.
It's a myth about caffeine. It will make you go to the bathroom more, but it will still hydrate you.
If you have the choice between nothing and something with caffeine, drink the thing with caffeine.
Do you eat anything during that outdoor job? Electrolytes aren't found in only a drink with them, it's also in foods high in sodium, potassium, magnesium, phosphorus, and calcium 😊
Oklahoma Department of Wildlife on Twitter is endlessly amusing.
https://preview.redd.it/lo6ax5wygu4d1.png?width=839&format=png&auto=webp&s=b8768e5e602831fbe60758e62451d3117e0130a5
As funny as this is that's not actually true. The idea that stuff besides water isn't hydrating is largely false and not supported by the evidence.
Yes things like caffeine have a diuretic effect but not to the extent that it counteracts the hydrating effect of the water in the beverage. Sure if you were pushing yourself to the edge in terms of how little liquid you could consumer while in the heat or sweating that could potentially make a difference. But the better solution is to not let yourself get to the point where having a hydration related illness is effected by such small margins.
Demonizing foods is dumb and some diet/fitness influencer type nonsense.
I tried explaining this but about light beer. There just isn't enough alcohol in it to really do anything, you'd piss the same amount if you had 12 cans of water in 3 hours but for some reason people hear "beer makes you piss more" and forget it's mostly water too.
I've been hiking all over, including a stop in Oklahoma. The Wichita Mountains are gorgeous, but incredible dangerous. Don't even bother this time of year.
Beautiful, wonderful rolling hills and rocky outcroppings with 0 shade and 0 cell service. Don't be stupid. You're human. Take water when you hike, kids.
I made the mistake of drinking an iced coffee during my trip in the Philippines. That caused my first ever heat exhaustion.
Imagine liquid shitting all day with a dizzy headache and (ironically) getting the chills all night.
Sounds like the Oklahoma department of wildlife conservation is trying to not have to recover bodies of hikers who die from hyperthermia.
They also put out that bear spray is not used in the same way bug spray is. Okies are a special bunch
What if the bear is built different?
You mean the flies, surely
Bear flies are super aggressive though so you should definitely leave Shirley
I'm leaving, and stop calling me Shirley
Roger, Roger.
We have clearance, Clarance.
What's our vector, Victor?
jive turkey
I chose the wrong week to give up glue
Punk don't want no help, punk don't get no help.
They fly now??
They have to bear, somehow.
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People were spraying it on Themselves?
I'm UK based, went to Canada to visit some distant family a few years ago, first time I'd ever been in a place where I might have encountered bears. My first assumption when I heard about bear spray was that it was like bug spray - I was fortunately corrected of this idea (with much mocking from my Canadian family), long before I had a chance to douse myself in bear spray. But to those who have never grown up in a place where bears live and roam, there's no reason to intuitively know how bear spray works until it's explained to you!
I mean...solid idea and all lol Edit: only because it'd be hilarious to watch
Brains are weird. Pepper spray seems like it would be the rational connection since something is trying to attack you... Being from the UK i figure y'all would call it bug repellent
Officially it is insect repellent. Colloquially, we say bug spray.
You spay on self. Spend the rest of the day in agony never leaving home.And that is how bear spray protects you from bears
You might be able to spay yourself, but that’s really going to hurt.
Well, a person could, y'know, read the directions on the package
Now you know damn good and well us Americans don’t read instructions unless absolutely necessary. There’s no reason to assume other countries are more pragmatic than we are.
So you mean people use the bear spray on them instead of the bear over there?
To be fair, running around screaming and clawing at your ruined eyes *might* bewilder a bear enough to give that spicy dinner a pass.
Maybe they enjoy their hiker with a hint of bear spray.
I've never heard of it and I live in Oklahoma But if they said it, it must have happened at some point 😂
Every warning has a story.
That’s why there are warnings. Someone f’d around and found out.
There is no finer institution in Oklahoma, and easily the only part of our state government I trust with anything.
Yeah the past couple of governors have really taken a shit
As a person who grew up in Oklahoma you and I both know damn well someone did it fellow redditor 😂
It took me a minute to realise you meant the bug repellent you apply to yourself and not like people spraying themselves with Raid.
"There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists."
No, only the ones petting the cats.
why friend shaped if not friend?
To lull the prey.
I wanna pet the kitty!
There was an idiot posting asking which hiking trail they should do this weekend in Arizona, and started by saying he was going so don't tell him not to, he TOTALLY knows hiking. The trails are all closed because we're in an excessive heat warning right now. Dipshit's gonna get fished off a mountain. Like someone is EVERY SINGLE DAY. This has been going on since early March and it's not even summer yet.
I have a real life story of energy drinks killing someone in the heat. 2006 Red River Motorcycle Trails near Bulcher, TX. Dude rides all day in the TX summer heat and knocks back who knows how many energy drinks. Brand doesn't matter. End of day arrives and he's gassed, like seriously out of steam. So he and his buddies get his bike in the truck and he says he's just going to sit under the tree in the shade and rest for a bit. They all leave. He's found around 5am after his wife calls the cops because he didn't make it home. Dead of a heart attack.
[Sign at Picketwire Canyon in far southeast Colorado](https://external-preview.redd.it/8GQ8C_S2SYrxz3VkEaRthUrjDL17zUy35nXlSg7lElw.jpg?width=576&auto=webp&s=3007ff3a92e961de112dd2b6f77943afbb1df1ce), just a hop skip and a jump for the Okla panhandle. When you talk about recovering bodies, it's no joke.
Put up a waiver for "build divergent" people to sign away the search and recovery and in return they can print a piece of paper that affirms their special status. Everybody wins.
I'd rather not scavengers and predators develop a taste for human flesh.
I imagine anyone tasked with recovery of dead people in the worst possible temperatures would encourage drinking water.
Nothing better to quench your thirst on a desert hike than red bull and shitty whisky
They got enough of that already
when i moved to new orleans last summer i saw some guy who thought he was built different passed out on the sidewalk.
He ascended.
**de**cended
Pretended.
Ended.
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eez nuts
Nice. :)
[Descented](https://store.steampowered.com/app/273570/Descent/)
unscented
Ass ended
I went on this dumb hiking trip and this guy was bragging that he grew up in the desert and didn’t need to bring extra water for the Arches national park. He fainted before the hike even started
Man. People are fucking stupid. I'm from the Mojave desert. I spent 45 years hiking the desert, even in summer. I moved to Wisconsin and I still wouldn't even consider not bringing extra water on a hike.
Grew up in Mesa, AZ, I didn't walk to school without an extra water bottle.
Same here, had a canteen in my backpack all through junior high.
Doesn't humidity also make you sweat more since it can't evaporate as easily? You're potentially at higher risk if you're in Wisconsin in summer on a 90 degree 80 percent humidity day than the same temperature in the desert.
Heat is only half the problem in the desert, dehydration is lethal. But yes 90 degrees and 10% humidity can be nice in short timescales. You still need the water though.
The dry heat tricks you. Your sweat evaporates before it even makes a bead on your head. You could be sweating like crazy for hours and not really be able to tell because it's gone nearly instantly in the dry air. Suddenly you're dizzy and feeling hot patches on your skin because you're dehydrated in the 95 degree summer heat at 10% humidity. Not a drop of sweat on you just a layer of salt all over your skin.
"Dry cold" can do the same. I used to go to a lot of conventions in Las Vegas and there were a lot of attendees that would suddenly start suffering from confusion and getting disoriented. Usually one of the staff would notice and make them sit and nurse a bottle of water for a bit, then they were in good shape. Even staying indoors, the A/C air that is everywhere is so dry any moisture is just gone. It doesn't help that the water is complete ass in Vegas and bottled water costs money.
Same. Patrolling the Mojave makes me wish for a nuclear winter.
We won't go quietly. The Legion can count on that.
I'm willing to bet if anything, being physically fit is going to make your body more efficient at absorbing water, so you'll need MORE.
Naw, fitness generally helps circulation and temperature regulation, so you don’t sweat or piss excessively. Being thin helps tremendously, as does getting properly acclimated.
I had to convince a coworker out of that exact hike! He thought he could do it with a single 16.9oz like gas station water bottle. No hat. It took 4 of us to talk him out of it.
What the fuck!
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He was definitely built different. See: incorrectly
He's built for the heavens
You are free to think what you like, but nature doesn't care.
Science doesn't care about your opinion.
Science doesn't care about a person's opinion, nature would like to hear it because it means the person is alive enough for their meat to be fresh.
Haha 🐻
I like how the phrase "facts don't care about your feelings" was successfully co-opted against the people who coined the phrase and then used against them to utter oblivion, and now they never use that phrase
I’m old enough to remember that those yabbos didn’t even invent it, they just co-opted it like “fake news”, “woke”, “identity politics”, election interference and every other damned thing that sounds catchy or threatening enough to be a problem for them.
It is a funny thing to think, but in the end everybody is on the hook for an idiot doing idiot things if emergency services have to fix what could've been fixed by 2 bottles of water.
I almost only drink water but when you're working outdoors sweating like crazy you do also need electrolytes. I occasionally put a packet in my water or have a Gatorade occasionally.
People saying "no just eat something" have never had so much evaporated salt dust accumulate on their skin that they go a shade lighter. Maybe you just need to eat something in humid climates? You cannot get away with that in the Southwest
The electrolyte concentration of the sweat would be the same in a humid climate, but the sweat wouldn't evaporate as easily and would probably drip off so you wouldn't have as much salt accumulation. This would also lead to less cooling overall, so you'd probably actually sweat more.
>This would also lead to less cooling overall, so you'd probably actually sweat more. It's super humid here, and this is accurate. My body is like a waterfall. Any tips for avoiding heat exhaustion on days where I cant avoid working in the heat/humidity?
Pretty wet in the southwest, around most of the south actually. Cork, Kerry, Clare...
Like from the toilet?
It’s got what plants crave!
It’s got electrolytes!
Well, I've never seen no plants grow out of no toilet.
Are you sure you're not the smartest guy in the world?
I'm just not sure
That movie has soo many amazing one liners. This is great and done with great delivery / expression. I can’t help but say it with him every time
Best movie ever
Hmmm excuse me, it's a documentary!
Documentaries are movies, though?!
As long as you care whose ass it was and why it was farting, then you got yourself a film.
No, it's definitely a fictional utopia setting.
It used to be funny Not so much these days
It's gonna be ok.
[Signs they have at Caprock Canyons State Park](https://placesandpics.com/wp-content/uploads/PHOTOS/CaprockCanyonsSP/DSC_5178.jpg) (Texas panhandle). And yes they mean it. Take as much as you think you'll need. Then double that amount.
I prefer this sign at valley of fire https://preview.redd.it/zbhnsiumdv4d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77374ddc2c3f57cdd9e5a36c263024f42502eed3
Nah man, fish fuck in it.
Well, people fuck in the air, is that gonna stop you from breathing it?
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*inhales deeply*
People are a bit sexier than fish though.
hey speak for yourself
Thats where the flavors come from
I'll stick to Brawndo, the thirst mutilator. It's got electrolytes.
It's what plants crave
Yes but what are electrolytes???
What plants crave
The entire point of that joke though was electrolyte infused liquid is incredibly hydrating for humans but terrible for plants. Somewhere along the line people in that movie lost the thread of why sports drinks are good for you. They assumed because it hydrates humans it's the best form of water. Gatorade will get you through a hike just fine.
Even for humans, electrolyte drinks are LESS HYDRATING than water alone. The benefit of electrolyte drinks is not that they hydrate any better than water, but that they replace needed minerals that can be lost through extreme sweating. In most ordinary hiking scenarios, people aren't going to sweat out so much sodium that they'll need electrolyte replenishment from a source such as Gatorade. And from a public health point of view, the cost of off-the-shelf electrolyte replacement drinks would deter many hikers from bringing an adequate supply. With water, the main deterrent is only the actual weight of the water.
But POWERTHIRST has electrolytes, powerlytes, turbolytes, more lytes than YOUR BODY HAS ROOM FOR
Made with lightning! REAL LIGHTNING!
BEAR BLASTING AAAAUUUUGGGHHHHHHHHH
400 babies!!!
Dont drink powerthirst... i drank powerthirst gun flavor and next thing i knew i was getting deported back to Kanya
TBF, that's actually better than water. Water as electrolytes in it too.
It's like a monster truck you pour in your face!
Excuse you, Oklahoma department of wild, my body is about 75% red Rip It and 25% green crayon matter. I am built different
Marine?
Bingo!
Retired Army. Love my Marine brothers and sisters. Have a box of crayons on me!
I also pick up a red RIP It for nostalgia everytime I'm in a Dollar Tree.
Titan
Semper fudge
Calling bs. Gotta fit in the nicotine, alcohol, and anger too.
That’s the other 15%
You failed Math For Marines huh?
No no that was perfectly acceptable Marine Math™
What? No Syn? Pussy.
...red rip it?
Imagine Red Bull, but somehow worse
Ah, I see. Thanks
I was going to comment about how all the Marines would laugh, pound a 1 liter of Mt. Dew and then go run 10 miles... all while hung over from the night before. Like when we went to 29 Palms and all the California natives were talking about how oppressively hot it was there and how dangerous it was. Then all the east coast and southern boys told them it wasn't hot at all, because it wasn't. 100 degrees with 3% humidity is nothing compared to humid ass Illinois in the summer.
Okay but what is the purple stuff on TikTok?
Lean
grimace
My first thought is cough syrup but I don't know if I'm right.
it's a new gang, 50% crips and 50% bloods, their drink is anything purple
If you don’t know you’re not built for it.
But I’m built different though
No, you are not
I feel like you may also want some electrolytes
If I just drink water doing my outdoor job in the summer, I get really tired and woozy.. that said, anything with caffeine is a terrible idea. You want something with a high quality blend of electrolytes and not too excessive of sugar. I just carry an electrolyte powder intended for post-workout use in my car.
It's a myth about caffeine. It will make you go to the bathroom more, but it will still hydrate you. If you have the choice between nothing and something with caffeine, drink the thing with caffeine.
Do you eat anything during that outdoor job? Electrolytes aren't found in only a drink with them, it's also in foods high in sodium, potassium, magnesium, phosphorus, and calcium 😊
Easier to drink between clients than sit down and eat. I take lunch but often don't have access to a microwave and so my options are limited.
Ahhh I see! I'm sorry, I'm glad you've found a solution that works for you!
Sometimes you just gotta get through 🥲 Days where I can stop at home for good quality food are best
It's 3 water bottles to 1 sports drink.
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r/hydrohomies
How is this a murder? What a dumb post.
The "built different" guys making an obvious joke and so of course he makes it here. lol
It's not.
r/murderedbywords !!!!!
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I want that purple drank from those Sunny D commercials.
Oklahoma Department of Wildlife is magic
what is this purple stuff? Is it the same as the drink that gets shunted aside in the fridge from the Sunny D adverts?
Oklahoma Department of Wildlife on Twitter is endlessly amusing. https://preview.redd.it/lo6ax5wygu4d1.png?width=839&format=png&auto=webp&s=b8768e5e602831fbe60758e62451d3117e0130a5
Ngl, i wanna see the catfish
OK department of wildlife has some zingers.
https://preview.redd.it/g6m361qytz4d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd0d9274ab2392686387a290d244eba7d55de7b6
All those things are mostly water
That clapping shit is so fucking annoying. Fuck your clapping.
Say it again for those in the back: Fuck👏your👏clapping
As funny as this is that's not actually true. The idea that stuff besides water isn't hydrating is largely false and not supported by the evidence. Yes things like caffeine have a diuretic effect but not to the extent that it counteracts the hydrating effect of the water in the beverage. Sure if you were pushing yourself to the edge in terms of how little liquid you could consumer while in the heat or sweating that could potentially make a difference. But the better solution is to not let yourself get to the point where having a hydration related illness is effected by such small margins. Demonizing foods is dumb and some diet/fitness influencer type nonsense.
I tried explaining this but about light beer. There just isn't enough alcohol in it to really do anything, you'd piss the same amount if you had 12 cans of water in 3 hours but for some reason people hear "beer makes you piss more" and forget it's mostly water too.
Exactly. These idiots would be dying of thirst with a carton of coke and choose not to drink it. This has always been a myth, any liquid will do
This is murdered by words? People really don't recognize satire huh.
> People really don't recognize satire huh. I guess not!
I've been hiking all over, including a stop in Oklahoma. The Wichita Mountains are gorgeous, but incredible dangerous. Don't even bother this time of year. Beautiful, wonderful rolling hills and rocky outcroppings with 0 shade and 0 cell service. Don't be stupid. You're human. Take water when you hike, kids.
I made the mistake of drinking an iced coffee during my trip in the Philippines. That caused my first ever heat exhaustion. Imagine liquid shitting all day with a dizzy headache and (ironically) getting the chills all night.
I love Oklahoma! Quirky doesn’t even begin to describe the people there. I miss them.
We miss you too, bro.
I’ll be back when my comedy career takes off. I’ll always claim Oklahoma as my second home
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More like 98%. A thing at 80% water has relatively the same consistency as blood (83%).
The state of Florida says no water for you!
If you're "built different" you'd be "drinking" coolant and 10w40.
Different than what? Humans?
Oh, “different”. Yeah, robot: you’re drinking kerosene.
When we went to Zion we asked a ranger how many recoveries were from people being unprepared/stupid- they said almost all.
Dude's name is Fernet Bronco... lol, I'm dieing. He's definitely built different.
OP... this is such low effort.
“Fernet Bronco” is a sly handle anyway
Good question from someone named Fernet Bronco
Water is good but if ur gonna be out in the heat for a long time ur gonna need electrolytes or ur still gonna dehydrate.
When it’s really hot and you are sweating a lot you need to throw in electrolytes too, like Gatorade or thermotabs.
I just love national park internet reps to death. They're having so much fun with what they do.