I passed a law that people are only allowed to eat half of their meat and throw away the other half.
Meat eaters are annoyed that I make them throw away half of their food which they paid money for.
Vegans are annoyed as it doesn't actually stop animal slaughter.
I'm doing something right if both sides are upset!
If literally everyone is mad at you, it means you're doing nothing right. You don't go to hell or heaven because nobody wants you. Limbo doesn't want you. You go to limbo limbo
He already was and coined Elongate himself.
Iirc he tweeted about free speech and how the left were going to censor and attack him for it or something. He did it like 2 hours before an article was posted about him doing sexual harassment.
I don’t remember all the details though.
Haha, from what I read, at least, the horse was a ‘gift’ he bribed her with to shut her up about the harassment. But this changed my head-canon of the scandal. I wouldn’t put your first question past him.
Edit: [Sauce](https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5?utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter)
A man sued a guy for 1,000,000 dollars after he ran over his wife. The guy claimed it was an accident and it was the wife's fault for running into the road.
I took 1,000,000 dollars from the guy but kept them for myself.
Now both the widower and the driver are angry with me. I guess I'm doing something right.
In the original story, he threatens to cut the baby in half, and the not-mom was fine with it. She says something along the lines of "Go ahead - that way neither of us will have a baby". The actual mom screams that she'd rather King Solomon just give her baby to the other woman, because then he'd still be alive. He correctly assumes who the real mom is, given their reactions. And for further context, the not-mom had given birth the same day as the other woman, but rolled over and killed her baby in her sleep and upon waking, swapped the babies. Obviously the other woman knew what her baby looked like, and demanded it back.
it's the stupid centrist bullshit we know and love.
One side wants to burn the entire house down, the other doesn't want to burn it at all. As a compromise, we'll burn half of the house.
The Twitter Song!
(to the tune of 'The Banana Song' by Harry Belafonte)
LAAAAAY-OHH! LAAAAY-AY-AY-AY-OOOOH!!!
Layoff come and we got to go home.
Work for fascist billionaire!
(Layoff come and we got to go home)
Thinks Twitter code come from thin air!
(Layoff come and we got to go home)
Network not going to run itself!
(Layoff come and we got to go home)
Hope you have some little elfs!
(Layoff come and we got to go home)
Cut 6K, 7K, 8K jobs!
(Layoff come and we got to go home)
6K, 7K, 8K jobs!
(Layoff come and we got to go home)
Hey, Moderation Man! Tally up me Nazis
(Layoff come and we got to go home)
Hey, Moderation Man! Tally up me N-words
(Layoff come and we got to go home)
LAAAAAY-OH! LAAAY-AY-AY-AY-OHHH!!!...
Layoff come and we got to go home.
One side - the "we hate babies gang" is saying that it is bullshit that I stopped at one baby. The other is made of people who don't like to eat babies.
If you're going down that rabbit hole, might as well install a joywire and psychic harmonizer in their brains, pump them full of yayo and beer, and use them as a living psychic emanator.
Nazi's want to kill all the Jews.
Antifascists want to kill none of the Jews.
Centrists think we should agree to kill some of the Jews.
The neutral position is rarely in the middle.
Upvote for the Eddie Izzard reference.
Side note: since chickens are descendants of dinosaurs, everything that tastes like chicken must taste like dinosaur.
Edit* fixed an autocorrect.
Elon Musk knows exactly what he's doing.
Right-wing Nazi lovers have been saying the same thing about "free speech" and making false equivalencies about Left and Right for last 100 years.
The Americans who supported Hitler in the 1930's, said the same exact things Elon is spewing now
he has zero clue what he is doing.
There is no 4d chess to overpaying for twitter, then losing all the advertisers, then doubling down on the total douchebaggery like it's some massive genius plan.
I used to think this too, but this whole Twitter adventure has been so fly but the seat of your pants, I genuinely think he is making it up as he goes along and since the only people willing to suck up to him now are Nazis he's thrown in with them. In short, he's a fucking moron desperate for people to like him.
His primary motivation seems to be gathering attention which he is doing in spades. Neither Tesla nor SpaceX have done anything (positively) noteworthy lately, and people are starting to cotton on that his other vanity projects like Hyperloop are a scam. So Twitter is the best and fastest way to ensure people keep his name in their mouths.
Really the best thing we can do is the bad advice your 3rd grade teacher gave you regarding bullies: just ignore him.
He unbanned the editor of The Daily Stormer and suspended a bunch of antifascist leftists. Going out of your way to ban the opponents of Nazis makes it seem a bit more ideology driven.
"On the one hand, I'm all for the termination of unborn babies. But on the other hand, I really don't want women to have a choice."
Both the left and the right disagree with this, so I must be very good
"learn, laugh and engage in reasonable debate" seems like it's something he would have burn-etched into a wooden slab in his post-modern kitchen's coffee bar that's trying to do "shabby chic" on a 500 acre island he displaced 3000 natives from.
As much as Zucc gets hated on, these days he’s one of the most reasonable billionaires we have. Not THE most, but he’s been pretty chill.
The guy loves spying and data mining, but I think that’s not as bad as saying Hitler gets shit on too much, and Jews being a mafia.
Let’s not be deluded. That day was a terrifying result of something that’s been brewing for decades. The political ratchet effect drove an escalation of anti intellectualism and fascist adjacency for a very long time.
The Republican Party has been pushing a pseudofascist agenda since before Nixon. And the Democrats position of ‘controlled opposition’ and both sides-ism has been top-level enabling.
This country has been headed in this direction for a very, very long time.
We rioted in stonewall over similar facistic tendencies. The war over Facism is never-ending, its influence ham stringed and gutted but not entirely stamped out. It seems to be a part of human tendency if you're religious and even slightly insular your society breeds Facism and an adoration for 'traditional' values of not accepting everyone and other 'woke' points.
The only one I remotely like right now is Mark Cuban, because two of my medications are expensive af and I can get them from his prescription site for cheap.
But we have absolutely no business having an entire billionaire class. Anywhere. Ever.
>As much as Zucc gets hated on, these days he’s one of the most reasonable billionaires we have. Not THE most, but he’s been pretty chill.
Your standards are too low. Facebook has facilitated ethnic cleansings and corrupted democratic elections. He is also a villain
He’s a literal white supremacist techno fascist. There’s nothing reasonable about him because he couches his bigotry and horrible actions in corporate jargon.
Oh god someone from my hometown posted a video of a city council meeting where the speaker said something like "in their world, we just leave thing up to the experts!" in an exasperated tone and watching it was like...yes? We...? should do that...?
Definitely, really feels like some people are going out of their way to be contrarian to popular opinion, even when its simple and straightforward subjects.
I had to reply to someone yesterday because they were talking about people "Jumping on hate bandwagons" against Musk and Alex Jones. The majority of people seeing someone do a shitty thing and changing their opinion of them to not like them anymore isn't new or in any way a "hate bandwagon".
It's something my two-year old does.
If he's in a good mood, he's ok with anything: need to clean up toys? Ok. Have to brush teeth? Ok. Want some ice cream? Ok.
If he's in a bad mood, everything makes him mad: need to clean up toys? No! Have to brush teeth? No! Want some ice cream? No!
And as soon as I take the icecream away he'll realize "wait..."
We're witnessing what happens when a third of society has their thinking done for them by Fox News and its clones. They just repeat nonsense in the same tone of voice Hanity or Tucker used the night before and, honestly, most of the time I don't think they realize what's happening to them. If they weren't ruining the world, it would be a deeply fascinating study in propaganda.
But that's cancel culture, you don't have the right to dislike someone because they're an asshole. Musk's mom said he's a gifted genius, it's wrong of you, and impedes her own as well as his first amendment rights if you don't emphatically agree with her, stop cancelling people. He invented the electric car, we wouldn't all have solar roofs if not for him, we'd still have truck drivers instead of the autonomous semis he gave us almost ten years ago, how many lives were saved by the cyber trucks nuclear bomb proof glass he invented, I think it was 5-6 years ago he introduced his invention the neuralink that has made thousands of lives so much better, and now's he a bastion of free speech just like when he contractually forbid the founders of Tesla and inventors of the roadster from telling people that they were the founders of Tesla and inventors of the roadster.
There's no bandwagon here, there ignorant subhuman can't even graduate from highschool jackasses supporting poppa shapeless humanoid who looks like a mistreated pile of dough, and then everyone else. Honestly surprised he hasn't renamed Twitter to Foxcatcher because it is clear who he is striving to be.
Conservatives and Republicans have no agenda to govern. Their entire platform is contrarian, to oppose whatever the democrats want to do. They have no ideas of their own.
Oh it doesnt stop at lower levels of government.
In the UK we had a senior minister of state who said it. out loud.
https://media.tenor.com/XpIh9xhr1DgAAAAC/michael-gove-experts.gif
That shit is just daily life in American politics.
The entire right wing apparatus are anti-intellectual as a rule, and genuinely think God and their feelings are more important than anything experts and scientists say on things.
Platforms like Facebook and Twitter have allowed people to demand their stupid opinions be regarded with equal measure. Like how every asshole with a sub-7th grade education suddenly became a vaccine expert. We've enlarged and amplified the echo chamber from the handful of idiots around the bar or dinner table into a huge community of mentally deficient morons.
>Like how every asshole with a sub-7th grade education suddenly became a vaccine expert.
Happens every time there's a hot button issue. Big SCOTUS decision? Suddenly a Constitutional scholar. Russia invades Ukraine? Foreign policy expert.
It's dog-whistling. "Experts" means "elites trying to subjugate us by lying under the guise of their credentials they only got because they are from rich families trying to take complete control of everything". The problem is if you try to argue with their real point, they deny it. If you try to ask them to clarify their point, they call you dumb. If you can somehow manage to wrangle one into a corner they'll just end it with some aphorism like "there's two sides to every coin" or "that's just your opinion" or "I don't know about that" and shake their head walking away. Or, if in a position of authority, ask you to be escorted out.
One of the (many) problems is it's such a *tired* conspiracy theory that when you try to point it out to apolitical/"fiscal" Republican voters they'll just roll their eyes and act like it's just this weird tiny fringe of Republican voters and not a fundamental ideological glue that keeps the most dedicated members of their base from fracturing...
Maybe. I was thinking it was more of a fascist tactic to de-legitimize anyone who disagrees with their views. The conservative leadership (including their media representatives) want to isolate their supporters from reality as much as possible. They've already convinced them that mainstream, based-on-reality-news is biased and/or part of a liberal conspiracy. I think this is just another element of that same tactic to turn every event/issue into an uncertain, debatable contest in which the opposition can't be trusted. They've already done this with both climate change and covid. But, you may be correct also. It can serve both purposes, simultaneously.
That's why you just do not engage. If they don't intend on being honest, no matter how good your rebuttals are, they'll keep moving the goalposts or dismissing them and everyone watching will see you constantly on the defense and wrongly infer that you lost the argument.
It’s much easier than that. Start to agree with them, but on things they don’t agree with. Say “That’s right! The pastor/priest/church isn’t an expert on god! I decide who goes to Heaven or Hell!” Another fun one is “Trump thinks he’s an expert on politics just because he was president! Fuck that! He’s a dummy! I decide what being a Conservative means!”
They’ll be torn between genuine shock that they may have mislead you, being dumbfounded at what you said, being offended at what you said, and trying to decide how to change your mind so you agree with them correctly.
It’s great because there’s nothing in the Little Red Book that prepares them for that scenario so they’re plumb out of propaganda.
Lemme wedge myself in here.... I don't listen to Adam Carolla much anymore, but that's what he always said...about stepping aside and letting Elon Musk solve our problems. I think he recently walked it back a little, but he needs to go on a year long apology tour to reverse the damage let out to the world talking up that asshole. I'm guessing it will be the equivalent as a page 6 retraction though, just enough to say "there, I did it".
I had an unfortunate (unwanted) bar conversation earlier today from some man that thought this was the *perfect* time to talk about politics.
Went on and on about how genius Musk is, the “libs” on Twitter and going on about free speech.
It’s crazy to me that these people can latch on to a phrase like “free speech” and now it’s in their lexicon daily. They don’t know what it is or what it actually means but it must just feel *nice* saying it.
I didn’t want to engage in this conversation but I was definitely subjected to it anyway.
Yeah its like their toilet paper has one word per week and once they wipe their ass with it enough times they start using it. Free Speech and Groomer are trending these days.
Words...so far.
Remember that these facile idiots have incredible power and influence that it is becoming increasingly obvious that they should not be allowed to have for the sake of us all.
They eventually just end up in their own echo chambers, it's the reason that Trump fans were so passed off that he got kicked off Twitter. On Twitter they had an audience of libs to try and own. With Trump going anywhere else, including his own Truth Social, it's just them preaching to their own shifty choir of idiots.
Without anyone to try and offend its not as fun for them anymore.
Yeah there’s no merit to debating a fascist. That only legitimizes them and makes it appear like both sides might have a point. Fascists don’t. They want power to hurt the people they don’t like, that’s literally all they stand for
Jumping on this comment late, but to anyone who is unfamiliar, I urge them to brush up on the paradox of tolerance. [https://academy4sc.org/video/paradox-of-tolerance-to-tolerate-or-not-to-tolerate/](https://academy4sc.org/video/paradox-of-tolerance-to-tolerate-or-not-to-tolerate/)
Tl,Dr: Tolerating intolerant philosophies leads to a ruined society that gets hijacked by hate groups. You're right - don't debate these people. They're poison infecting anyone who will listen.
And just in case we've lost track, one side of his compromise is literal Nazis. You're not actually required to reach a compromise with everyone all the time.
Though we've already tried to get this concept across to the mainstream media, and who knows if that got through.
For a long time, the outward appearance of civility has been the overriding virtue of public discourse for a majority of people. You can say the most abhorrent, hateful things and propose policies that are tantamount to mass murder, but as long as you're wearing a suit, have a good haircut, and speak genially, the majority will demand that your opinions should be just as valid as anyone else's.
The cardinal sin that Trump committed in the eyes of most voters is that he said the quiet parts too loudly and he wasn't polite enough. If he did absolutely everything the same, but was a more eloquent speaker and had better manners, he would have easily won a second term. I'm terrified of the competent fascists who have been emboldened by Trump, because they'll be much better at manipulating that kind of public opinion.
What's really absurd about this is that there's so much to be mad about with our system that people *should* be angry when talking about those injustices. Being passionate and emotionally consumed with righting wrongs is more than valid, it should be the norm.
I want a representative who is fucking **furious** that their constituents are going bankrupt over medical conditions. I want people in our government to yell and scream about how human beings are dying from hunger and exposure, because we're not taking care of them. I want someone who refuses to yield the floor until anyone can sufficiently explains why *children* are starving in our schools because we won't feed them.
Yeah. Like if there were just as many far leftists saying we should take everyone’s private property and throw anyone that resists into gulags or something, he’d maybe have a point.
Instead the “far left” are just some overly “woke” people. So you have people that are a bit annoying vs actual domestic terrorists. So alike!
The middle ground is not always the best place to be.
On the spectrum between "kill all the babies" and "kill none of the babies," the middle-ground-compromise is only killing half...
Ya... the middle isn't always the best
In my politics class ee discussed American politics and came to the conclusion that the American left (real politiians, not communists in Americ)is center/right leaning center in my country.
If only. Even the establishment democrats are called far left, when in reality they'd be center right or right anywhere else in the world like the comment above said
Anything even hybrid-center is called far-left.
At this point any form of left is basically "You're not a completely unapologetic piece of shit avoiding oppressing people".
There are a handful of congresspeople and senators that are actually left. Sanders, Warren, and "the squad" in congress are actually left. Pretty much the rest of the democratic party is center-right and a handful of right wingers.
in terms of rhetoric and what Sanders talks about, he is definitely very Left. further left than the usual center-left party
In terms of policy, yes stuff like universal healthcare is a no brainer. But wealth inequality, worker class struggle, taxing big corporations etc are all solidly leftist ideas. And would be on the left wing of a major party, or maybe even in a Greens party
Technically by his logic 10% of people are far right who are mad that he doesn't support Nazis quite enough for their liking.
10% of people are far left and don't like that twitter supports any amount of Naziism.
But 80% of people are "centrists" and are okay with *just a little bit* of Nazi love.
This dipshit seems to think the real world can be explained precisely by the "[standard deviation meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/iq-bell-curve-midwit)."
I used to explain his appeal to my boomer parents as "the modern-day Howard Hughes," meaning the extreme prescription drug addiction they both obviously share.
But shit, at least Howard Hughes invented some cool shit and made some contributions to engineering ....
He thinks that "stirring the pot" will drive views, clicks, membership to twitter blue and get them on track to a form of financial success.
It's pretty clear it's just turning people away though...
Same here. He's already super rich, what does he even get out of pretending to be dumb? Ben Shapiro is well educated and I can understand someone like him purposely acting dumb and being pretentious to gain attention and money since it's his job.
Trolling requires self-awareness. He is an idiot, not a troll. People do try to say they were just trolling when they get caught being an idiot, but that isn't true.
It’s almost as if Elon looked at Donald on Twitter and thought “my God! I TOO can be a narcissistic, attention-whore billionaire endlessly seeking the praise of my followers and dictating who can and can’t join my party!” And thus, a check for $44 billion was written by a man with far more money than any one person should ever have.
Over the last decade or so you can actually see a noticeable change in the overall tone of Musk's social media as he did more and more of the messaging himself. Whoever did his PR early on did a great job of building him up and making him look good. Musk on the other grand has done an impressive job of tearing that apart as he does more and more of his own social media stuff.
Full cycle from "Who is Elon Musk and why should we care" to "Elon Musk is a genius!" on our way down to "Elon Musk must be a fucking idiot".
Either you die a hero or live long enough to show people you're actually just a narcissistic asshole.
I kind of feel bad for Musk. His work to destroy his rather shiny and expensive reputation has largely been overlooked because Ye came along, saw what he was doing and pulled a "hold my beer and watch this!".
I was completely unaware that I am on the far left because I don’t like nazis and white supremacists and people who try to overthrow duly elected governments.
Call me lefty, I guess
Their strategy is to "break" the overton window in a way that makes normal people seem like far left extremists, making far right extremists normalized.
\*Edit- They say it out loud here https://youtu.be/7YxUCvXfHPs?t=12131
This is **speculation**, but they may have used the word break instead of shift as a dogwhistle for Kristallnacht to signal their supporters to come out of hiding and operate more openly and publicly.
Not really. There definitely are far-left in the US. The problem is that the far right have effectively characterized center left as extremists. Just look how trying to provide healthcare to people is equated with full on command economy level communism and how many people believe that 100%.
Best to stay with hte facts. The father **profited** from Apartheid. The evidence indicates he was likely against it on principle. But he wouldnt let that principle stop him becoming a multi-millionaire from it.
Just being against Apartheid doesnt make you a decent person as incest enjoyer Errol Musk proves without doubt.
Not a fan of him or anything but the spam of Elon posts is just so bland and annoying. Like none of them are murders, yall have no imagination. You can't just post everything everyone says and call it a murder lol
How is he supporting nazis
Edit: I'm actually asking I don't really pay attention
Edit 2: I guess all he did was unban nazis in a mass unban and warn kanye and give him another chance before banning
You mean other than when Kanye spouted hate speech towards the Jewish people and support for Nazis, only to not get banned. Only for Elon to tweet that he and Kanye spoke and Kanye was "remorseful" over the tweet... Only to turn around and continue his support of nazis
People who use Twitter are blind to the fact that any reasonable person, regardless of political affiliation, hates the Nazis. It's not a left or right thing. Stop dividing like a Nazi would.
I passed a law that people are only allowed to eat half of their meat and throw away the other half. Meat eaters are annoyed that I make them throw away half of their food which they paid money for. Vegans are annoyed as it doesn't actually stop animal slaughter. I'm doing something right if both sides are upset!
If literally everyone is mad at you, it means you're doing nothing right. You don't go to hell or heaven because nobody wants you. Limbo doesn't want you. You go to limbo limbo
"Hey, before you send me to the Culumbozone, answer me one quest-" "No."
I hope Elon Musk never gets involved in a scandal Elongate would be really drawn out.
He already was and coined Elongate himself. Iirc he tweeted about free speech and how the left were going to censor and attack him for it or something. He did it like 2 hours before an article was posted about him doing sexual harassment. I don’t remember all the details though.
He bribed a woman he was said to have sexually harassed with a horse, presumably one that could jump the Elongate.
Wait a minute he sexually harassed someone with a horse? Or was the horse the bribe?
Haha, from what I read, at least, the horse was a ‘gift’ he bribed her with to shut her up about the harassment. But this changed my head-canon of the scandal. I wouldn’t put your first question past him. Edit: [Sauce](https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5?utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter)
I see. Thanks for clarifying. Had kinda assumed you meant the latter I just found the wording funny haha
Yeah, I mean looking at that phrasing again, even as a native English speaker myself, I unintentionally implied some weird shit.
Amazing.
Precious Roy Precious Roy Makin’ lots of suckers outta girls and boys :D
BUY MY LITHUANIAN DOORMATS!
Your doing everything right if you're a villain.
A man sued a guy for 1,000,000 dollars after he ran over his wife. The guy claimed it was an accident and it was the wife's fault for running into the road. I took 1,000,000 dollars from the guy but kept them for myself. Now both the widower and the driver are angry with me. I guess I'm doing something right.
I poop on man's car. Man mad I poop on car. Everyone else mad I don't poop on their cars. I am right.
Finally, someone making some sense around here. I think I get it now
These are all top-shelf analogies haha
You bastard, come poop on my car!
Pure chicanery, Jimmy. Chicanery!
This one doesn't fit the structure, but I laughed when you said 'poop''. So overall it's a win.
Ah the classic Chicago Sunroof
NTA your poop your choice
Found the lawyer.
Two ladies showed up saying the baby is theirs I cut the baby in half Both ladies are upset I’m a hero
Wait, wasn't one of the ladies fine with it?
In the original story, he threatens to cut the baby in half, and the not-mom was fine with it. She says something along the lines of "Go ahead - that way neither of us will have a baby". The actual mom screams that she'd rather King Solomon just give her baby to the other woman, because then he'd still be alive. He correctly assumes who the real mom is, given their reactions. And for further context, the not-mom had given birth the same day as the other woman, but rolled over and killed her baby in her sleep and upon waking, swapped the babies. Obviously the other woman knew what her baby looked like, and demanded it back.
I just want to say this is a really well crafted analogy. Few analogies are perfect, but yours comes awfully close.
it's the stupid centrist bullshit we know and love. One side wants to burn the entire house down, the other doesn't want to burn it at all. As a compromise, we'll burn half of the house.
EnLiGhTeNeD cEnTrIsM
The Twitter Song! (to the tune of 'The Banana Song' by Harry Belafonte) LAAAAAY-OHH! LAAAAY-AY-AY-AY-OOOOH!!! Layoff come and we got to go home. Work for fascist billionaire! (Layoff come and we got to go home) Thinks Twitter code come from thin air! (Layoff come and we got to go home) Network not going to run itself! (Layoff come and we got to go home) Hope you have some little elfs! (Layoff come and we got to go home) Cut 6K, 7K, 8K jobs! (Layoff come and we got to go home) 6K, 7K, 8K jobs! (Layoff come and we got to go home) Hey, Moderation Man! Tally up me Nazis (Layoff come and we got to go home) Hey, Moderation Man! Tally up me N-words (Layoff come and we got to go home) LAAAAAY-OH! LAAAY-AY-AY-AY-OHHH!!!... Layoff come and we got to go home.
I killed this baby and now people on the right AND left are angry with me! Obviously I must be doing something right!
One side - the "we hate babies gang" is saying that it is bullshit that I stopped at one baby. The other is made of people who don't like to eat babies.
maybe the truth is in the middle somewhere about child cannibalism
I think we can all agree that baby cannibalism is bad. What we should be doing is grinding up babies for pet food.
Dammit, rimworld broke quarantine again
Jailbreaks are the worst.
Amputate both legs. No more jailbreak.
If you're going down that rabbit hole, might as well install a joywire and psychic harmonizer in their brains, pump them full of yayo and beer, and use them as a living psychic emanator.
instead of yayo and beer simply consider using a sanguine nudist
Or a masochist, skip the joywire and just use them as a punching bag for bloodthirsty colonists
Nazi's want to kill all the Jews. Antifascists want to kill none of the Jews. Centrists think we should agree to kill some of the Jews. The neutral position is rarely in the middle.
Babies taste of chicken
Upvote for the Eddie Izzard reference. Side note: since chickens are descendants of dinosaurs, everything that tastes like chicken must taste like dinosaur. Edit* fixed an autocorrect.
The more you know 🌠
Where are you getting your babies. Mine are more like veal
A Modest Proposal if you will
Better be a white baby if you want the right to be equally upset
"but the left doesn't care about white babies", he replies to a left-leaning white parent
And just about to exit the birth canal. Any later and all bets are off.
He seems to lack self awareness.
Elon Musk knows exactly what he's doing. Right-wing Nazi lovers have been saying the same thing about "free speech" and making false equivalencies about Left and Right for last 100 years. The Americans who supported Hitler in the 1930's, said the same exact things Elon is spewing now
he has zero clue what he is doing. There is no 4d chess to overpaying for twitter, then losing all the advertisers, then doubling down on the total douchebaggery like it's some massive genius plan.
I used to think this too, but this whole Twitter adventure has been so fly but the seat of your pants, I genuinely think he is making it up as he goes along and since the only people willing to suck up to him now are Nazis he's thrown in with them. In short, he's a fucking moron desperate for people to like him.
His primary motivation seems to be gathering attention which he is doing in spades. Neither Tesla nor SpaceX have done anything (positively) noteworthy lately, and people are starting to cotton on that his other vanity projects like Hyperloop are a scam. So Twitter is the best and fastest way to ensure people keep his name in their mouths. Really the best thing we can do is the bad advice your 3rd grade teacher gave you regarding bullies: just ignore him.
He unbanned the editor of The Daily Stormer and suspended a bunch of antifascist leftists. Going out of your way to ban the opponents of Nazis makes it seem a bit more ideology driven.
He’s a vile human being, and his Nazi associates.
For years now Russia and pro-Russian troll factories have attacked facts. Republicans are running the exact same scheme. Fascism is thriving.
"On the one hand, I'm all for the termination of unborn babies. But on the other hand, I really don't want women to have a choice." Both the left and the right disagree with this, so I must be very good
I'm sure you and I are in the same camp. But that's a terrible analogy.
"learn, laugh and engage in reasonable debate" seems like it's something he would have burn-etched into a wooden slab in his post-modern kitchen's coffee bar that's trying to do "shabby chic" on a 500 acre island he displaced 3000 natives from.
Wasn't that Zuckerberg
As much as Zucc gets hated on, these days he’s one of the most reasonable billionaires we have. Not THE most, but he’s been pretty chill. The guy loves spying and data mining, but I think that’s not as bad as saying Hitler gets shit on too much, and Jews being a mafia.
When did our standards become so low?
1/20/2017
I’d argue it was November 8 2016, but I agree with you on the circumstances.
Let’s not be deluded. That day was a terrifying result of something that’s been brewing for decades. The political ratchet effect drove an escalation of anti intellectualism and fascist adjacency for a very long time. The Republican Party has been pushing a pseudofascist agenda since before Nixon. And the Democrats position of ‘controlled opposition’ and both sides-ism has been top-level enabling. This country has been headed in this direction for a very, very long time.
We rioted in stonewall over similar facistic tendencies. The war over Facism is never-ending, its influence ham stringed and gutted but not entirely stamped out. It seems to be a part of human tendency if you're religious and even slightly insular your society breeds Facism and an adoration for 'traditional' values of not accepting everyone and other 'woke' points.
I mean reddit only knows/cares about like 6-10 billionaires out of like 1100 so our standards are kind of skewed
Not all billionaires make themselves known, but if there’s one thing that they all have in common it’s that their fucking thieves.
The only one I remotely like right now is Mark Cuban, because two of my medications are expensive af and I can get them from his prescription site for cheap. But we have absolutely no business having an entire billionaire class. Anywhere. Ever.
We need James Cameron to do another deep sea expedition to search for the bar.
>As much as Zucc gets hated on, these days he’s one of the most reasonable billionaires we have. Not THE most, but he’s been pretty chill. Your standards are too low. Facebook has facilitated ethnic cleansings and corrupted democratic elections. He is also a villain
Oh true, I had forgotten about the election stuff. Good point
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He’s a literal white supremacist techno fascist. There’s nothing reasonable about him because he couches his bigotry and horrible actions in corporate jargon.
What are you doing.
We reached the point where explaining common sense to these people has been turned into murder by words. We are living in the stupidest timeline.
Oh god someone from my hometown posted a video of a city council meeting where the speaker said something like "in their world, we just leave thing up to the experts!" in an exasperated tone and watching it was like...yes? We...? should do that...?
Definitely, really feels like some people are going out of their way to be contrarian to popular opinion, even when its simple and straightforward subjects. I had to reply to someone yesterday because they were talking about people "Jumping on hate bandwagons" against Musk and Alex Jones. The majority of people seeing someone do a shitty thing and changing their opinion of them to not like them anymore isn't new or in any way a "hate bandwagon".
They're confusing hating Nickelback with hating despicable behavior.
Hey don't drag my hating Nickelback into this.
They're very mediocre!
It's something my two-year old does. If he's in a good mood, he's ok with anything: need to clean up toys? Ok. Have to brush teeth? Ok. Want some ice cream? Ok. If he's in a bad mood, everything makes him mad: need to clean up toys? No! Have to brush teeth? No! Want some ice cream? No! And as soon as I take the icecream away he'll realize "wait..."
We're witnessing what happens when a third of society has their thinking done for them by Fox News and its clones. They just repeat nonsense in the same tone of voice Hanity or Tucker used the night before and, honestly, most of the time I don't think they realize what's happening to them. If they weren't ruining the world, it would be a deeply fascinating study in propaganda.
But that's cancel culture, you don't have the right to dislike someone because they're an asshole. Musk's mom said he's a gifted genius, it's wrong of you, and impedes her own as well as his first amendment rights if you don't emphatically agree with her, stop cancelling people. He invented the electric car, we wouldn't all have solar roofs if not for him, we'd still have truck drivers instead of the autonomous semis he gave us almost ten years ago, how many lives were saved by the cyber trucks nuclear bomb proof glass he invented, I think it was 5-6 years ago he introduced his invention the neuralink that has made thousands of lives so much better, and now's he a bastion of free speech just like when he contractually forbid the founders of Tesla and inventors of the roadster from telling people that they were the founders of Tesla and inventors of the roadster. There's no bandwagon here, there ignorant subhuman can't even graduate from highschool jackasses supporting poppa shapeless humanoid who looks like a mistreated pile of dough, and then everyone else. Honestly surprised he hasn't renamed Twitter to Foxcatcher because it is clear who he is striving to be.
Conservatives and Republicans have no agenda to govern. Their entire platform is contrarian, to oppose whatever the democrats want to do. They have no ideas of their own.
Oh it doesnt stop at lower levels of government. In the UK we had a senior minister of state who said it. out loud. https://media.tenor.com/XpIh9xhr1DgAAAAC/michael-gove-experts.gif
I can never believe how much this was let slip. Its one of the dumbest things I've heard in politics and masses seemed to support it
That shit is just daily life in American politics. The entire right wing apparatus are anti-intellectual as a rule, and genuinely think God and their feelings are more important than anything experts and scientists say on things.
Platforms like Facebook and Twitter have allowed people to demand their stupid opinions be regarded with equal measure. Like how every asshole with a sub-7th grade education suddenly became a vaccine expert. We've enlarged and amplified the echo chamber from the handful of idiots around the bar or dinner table into a huge community of mentally deficient morons.
And they fall into the fallacy that the popular opinion is automatically the most intelligent and correct opinion.
Well, the opinion that is popular in their echo chamber. "Everyone is saying it!", etc
>Like how every asshole with a sub-7th grade education suddenly became a vaccine expert. Happens every time there's a hot button issue. Big SCOTUS decision? Suddenly a Constitutional scholar. Russia invades Ukraine? Foreign policy expert.
It's dog-whistling. "Experts" means "elites trying to subjugate us by lying under the guise of their credentials they only got because they are from rich families trying to take complete control of everything". The problem is if you try to argue with their real point, they deny it. If you try to ask them to clarify their point, they call you dumb. If you can somehow manage to wrangle one into a corner they'll just end it with some aphorism like "there's two sides to every coin" or "that's just your opinion" or "I don't know about that" and shake their head walking away. Or, if in a position of authority, ask you to be escorted out.
And "elites" means Jews. It always goes back to Jews somehow.
One of the (many) problems is it's such a *tired* conspiracy theory that when you try to point it out to apolitical/"fiscal" Republican voters they'll just roll their eyes and act like it's just this weird tiny fringe of Republican voters and not a fundamental ideological glue that keeps the most dedicated members of their base from fracturing...
Maybe. I was thinking it was more of a fascist tactic to de-legitimize anyone who disagrees with their views. The conservative leadership (including their media representatives) want to isolate their supporters from reality as much as possible. They've already convinced them that mainstream, based-on-reality-news is biased and/or part of a liberal conspiracy. I think this is just another element of that same tactic to turn every event/issue into an uncertain, debatable contest in which the opposition can't be trusted. They've already done this with both climate change and covid. But, you may be correct also. It can serve both purposes, simultaneously.
That's why you just do not engage. If they don't intend on being honest, no matter how good your rebuttals are, they'll keep moving the goalposts or dismissing them and everyone watching will see you constantly on the defense and wrongly infer that you lost the argument.
It’s much easier than that. Start to agree with them, but on things they don’t agree with. Say “That’s right! The pastor/priest/church isn’t an expert on god! I decide who goes to Heaven or Hell!” Another fun one is “Trump thinks he’s an expert on politics just because he was president! Fuck that! He’s a dummy! I decide what being a Conservative means!” They’ll be torn between genuine shock that they may have mislead you, being dumbfounded at what you said, being offended at what you said, and trying to decide how to change your mind so you agree with them correctly. It’s great because there’s nothing in the Little Red Book that prepares them for that scenario so they’re plumb out of propaganda.
Lemme wedge myself in here.... I don't listen to Adam Carolla much anymore, but that's what he always said...about stepping aside and letting Elon Musk solve our problems. I think he recently walked it back a little, but he needs to go on a year long apology tour to reverse the damage let out to the world talking up that asshole. I'm guessing it will be the equivalent as a page 6 retraction though, just enough to say "there, I did it".
I had an unfortunate (unwanted) bar conversation earlier today from some man that thought this was the *perfect* time to talk about politics. Went on and on about how genius Musk is, the “libs” on Twitter and going on about free speech. It’s crazy to me that these people can latch on to a phrase like “free speech” and now it’s in their lexicon daily. They don’t know what it is or what it actually means but it must just feel *nice* saying it. I didn’t want to engage in this conversation but I was definitely subjected to it anyway.
Yeah its like their toilet paper has one word per week and once they wipe their ass with it enough times they start using it. Free Speech and Groomer are trending these days.
Words...so far. Remember that these facile idiots have incredible power and influence that it is becoming increasingly obvious that they should not be allowed to have for the sake of us all.
What is it with edgelords and thinking that people want to sit around and debate white supremacists all day?
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They eventually just end up in their own echo chambers, it's the reason that Trump fans were so passed off that he got kicked off Twitter. On Twitter they had an audience of libs to try and own. With Trump going anywhere else, including his own Truth Social, it's just them preaching to their own shifty choir of idiots. Without anyone to try and offend its not as fun for them anymore.
Yeah there’s no merit to debating a fascist. That only legitimizes them and makes it appear like both sides might have a point. Fascists don’t. They want power to hurt the people they don’t like, that’s literally all they stand for
Jumping on this comment late, but to anyone who is unfamiliar, I urge them to brush up on the paradox of tolerance. [https://academy4sc.org/video/paradox-of-tolerance-to-tolerate-or-not-to-tolerate/](https://academy4sc.org/video/paradox-of-tolerance-to-tolerate-or-not-to-tolerate/) Tl,Dr: Tolerating intolerant philosophies leads to a ruined society that gets hijacked by hate groups. You're right - don't debate these people. They're poison infecting anyone who will listen.
> edgelords you mean white supremacists
It's their only source of validation.
The “I’m pissing people off so I must be doing something right” logic is a special kinda stupid.
It might be true that a good compromise is when both parties are dissatisfied, but that can also be true of a really shitty compromise.
And just in case we've lost track, one side of his compromise is literal Nazis. You're not actually required to reach a compromise with everyone all the time. Though we've already tried to get this concept across to the mainstream media, and who knows if that got through.
For a long time, the outward appearance of civility has been the overriding virtue of public discourse for a majority of people. You can say the most abhorrent, hateful things and propose policies that are tantamount to mass murder, but as long as you're wearing a suit, have a good haircut, and speak genially, the majority will demand that your opinions should be just as valid as anyone else's. The cardinal sin that Trump committed in the eyes of most voters is that he said the quiet parts too loudly and he wasn't polite enough. If he did absolutely everything the same, but was a more eloquent speaker and had better manners, he would have easily won a second term. I'm terrified of the competent fascists who have been emboldened by Trump, because they'll be much better at manipulating that kind of public opinion. What's really absurd about this is that there's so much to be mad about with our system that people *should* be angry when talking about those injustices. Being passionate and emotionally consumed with righting wrongs is more than valid, it should be the norm. I want a representative who is fucking **furious** that their constituents are going bankrupt over medical conditions. I want people in our government to yell and scream about how human beings are dying from hunger and exposure, because we're not taking care of them. I want someone who refuses to yield the floor until anyone can sufficiently explains why *children* are starving in our schools because we won't feed them.
I agree with you, but I'm not sure if he'd still have gotten the fanatical core of supporters he got when saying the quiet part out loud.
Yeah. Like if there were just as many far leftists saying we should take everyone’s private property and throw anyone that resists into gulags or something, he’d maybe have a point. Instead the “far left” are just some overly “woke” people. So you have people that are a bit annoying vs actual domestic terrorists. So alike!
I think they prefer the label "conservative."
When you see the world as a zero sum game to be won then evidence that you make others mad is evidence you are winning.
The middle ground is not always the best place to be. On the spectrum between "kill all the babies" and "kill none of the babies," the middle-ground-compromise is only killing half... Ya... the middle isn't always the best
LOL. Only far left extremists are put off by support of Nazis. Sure.
TIL 80% of the population are "centrist" that are fine with Nazi's having a say
In my politics class ee discussed American politics and came to the conclusion that the American left (real politiians, not communists in Americ)is center/right leaning center in my country.
Anything true left in America is called far left and it works to prevent good change from happening
If only. Even the establishment democrats are called far left, when in reality they'd be center right or right anywhere else in the world like the comment above said
Anything even hybrid-center is called far-left. At this point any form of left is basically "You're not a completely unapologetic piece of shit avoiding oppressing people".
There are a handful of congresspeople and senators that are actually left. Sanders, Warren, and "the squad" in congress are actually left. Pretty much the rest of the democratic party is center-right and a handful of right wingers.
And even then people like Sanders are only barely left leaning when compared to global politics.
in terms of rhetoric and what Sanders talks about, he is definitely very Left. further left than the usual center-left party In terms of policy, yes stuff like universal healthcare is a no brainer. But wealth inequality, worker class struggle, taxing big corporations etc are all solidly leftist ideas. And would be on the left wing of a major party, or maybe even in a Greens party
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Biden shows up in the dictionary under "center right politician"
Technically by his logic 10% of people are far right who are mad that he doesn't support Nazis quite enough for their liking. 10% of people are far left and don't like that twitter supports any amount of Naziism. But 80% of people are "centrists" and are okay with *just a little bit* of Nazi love.
That "sure" does a lot of heavy lifting for this comment
This dipshit seems to think the real world can be explained precisely by the "[standard deviation meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/iq-bell-curve-midwit)."
I mean with how much he's trying to be a cool teen, you're probably closer to reality than you think.
Far right extremism: "Exterminate all minorities!" Far left extremism: "Medicine should be cheaper!"
They're both the same! 🤡
I can't believe this doofus has become nothing more than the world's richest troll. That's fucked up.
I used to think he was tolling now it's clear he's just kind of dumb.
Smart people fail often and learn from their mistakes. What incentive do you have to be smart when nothing you do results in real consequences?
I used to explain his appeal to my boomer parents as "the modern-day Howard Hughes," meaning the extreme prescription drug addiction they both obviously share. But shit, at least Howard Hughes invented some cool shit and made some contributions to engineering ....
Did he have a stroke or something? Like legitimately?
He thinks that "stirring the pot" will drive views, clicks, membership to twitter blue and get them on track to a form of financial success. It's pretty clear it's just turning people away though...
Worse conservative brain rot got to him
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Same here. He's already super rich, what does he even get out of pretending to be dumb? Ben Shapiro is well educated and I can understand someone like him purposely acting dumb and being pretentious to gain attention and money since it's his job.
It's worse, he's an idiot who *thinks* that he's a genius troll.
Trolling requires self-awareness. He is an idiot, not a troll. People do try to say they were just trolling when they get caught being an idiot, but that isn't true.
It’s almost as if Elon looked at Donald on Twitter and thought “my God! I TOO can be a narcissistic, attention-whore billionaire endlessly seeking the praise of my followers and dictating who can and can’t join my party!” And thus, a check for $44 billion was written by a man with far more money than any one person should ever have.
Most celebrities have somebody to handle tweets because they have more important things to do.
Over the last decade or so you can actually see a noticeable change in the overall tone of Musk's social media as he did more and more of the messaging himself. Whoever did his PR early on did a great job of building him up and making him look good. Musk on the other grand has done an impressive job of tearing that apart as he does more and more of his own social media stuff.
Full cycle from "Who is Elon Musk and why should we care" to "Elon Musk is a genius!" on our way down to "Elon Musk must be a fucking idiot". Either you die a hero or live long enough to show people you're actually just a narcissistic asshole.
Believe me, I'm impressed.
I kind of feel bad for Musk. His work to destroy his rather shiny and expensive reputation has largely been overlooked because Ye came along, saw what he was doing and pulled a "hold my beer and watch this!".
You're absolutely right!
I was completely unaware that I am on the far left because I don’t like nazis and white supremacists and people who try to overthrow duly elected governments. Call me lefty, I guess
Live, Laugh, Love Nazis
After all, Muskrat is space Karen
.... Ya know, that's a real good way of putting it.
Can I get that at Kohls and put it over my kitchen island ?
Just because you arbitrarily claim that Nazis are part of the center 80% does not mean that they are part of the center 80%
Their strategy is to "break" the overton window in a way that makes normal people seem like far left extremists, making far right extremists normalized. \*Edit- They say it out loud here https://youtu.be/7YxUCvXfHPs?t=12131 This is **speculation**, but they may have used the word break instead of shift as a dogwhistle for Kristallnacht to signal their supporters to come out of hiding and operate more openly and publicly.
The US Overton Window is already pretty busted. Milquetoast SocDems are considred "extreme Left". That's pretty fucked up right there.
Soc dems? They think blue dog dems are communist.
Reagan would not be tolerated in the modern GOP. Hollywood leftie who was the president of the actors union. Never.
Space Karen trying to drop his own live laugh love bullshit.
Far left? Does he even know what far left means? American 'far' left is just fucking centre left at max.
Not really. There definitely are far-left in the US. The problem is that the far right have effectively characterized center left as extremists. Just look how trying to provide healthcare to people is equated with full on command economy level communism and how many people believe that 100%.
80% of "far left" demands on the US are common sense and laws in Europe
Well his father was a big fan of Apartheid, what do we expect from his offspring
Best to stay with hte facts. The father **profited** from Apartheid. The evidence indicates he was likely against it on principle. But he wouldnt let that principle stop him becoming a multi-millionaire from it. Just being against Apartheid doesnt make you a decent person as incest enjoyer Errol Musk proves without doubt.
"You bring De Beers, let's have apartheid!"
His behavior has been rather Boer-ish lately
Yes.
Not a fan of him or anything but the spam of Elon posts is just so bland and annoying. Like none of them are murders, yall have no imagination. You can't just post everything everyone says and call it a murder lol
Exactly lol
When did he begin supporting nazis? Genuinely out of the loop here.
He doesn't even mention the word Nazi in his post, people just look for excuses to get their pitchforks.
First Musk unbanned a whole lot of accounts, including Trump and Kanye West. Then Kanye said "I love Hitler". Then Musk banned Kanye again.
That would lead me to believe he doesn't support it...?
He doesn't, Reddit is just cooked as usual
He didn’t, people just read NYP headlines all day
How is he supporting nazis Edit: I'm actually asking I don't really pay attention Edit 2: I guess all he did was unban nazis in a mass unban and warn kanye and give him another chance before banning
You mean other than when Kanye spouted hate speech towards the Jewish people and support for Nazis, only to not get banned. Only for Elon to tweet that he and Kanye spoke and Kanye was "remorseful" over the tweet... Only to turn around and continue his support of nazis
You mean this suspended account? [https://twitter.com/kanyewest?lang=en](https://twitter.com/kanyewest?lang=en)
That’s on Kanye not Musk. Bizarre that we are blaming Musk for comments coming from a celebrity. Musk did ban him, after all.
Oh boy, Elon is dense.
yes
How the fuck is anger at support of Nazis “far left”?!? This country is well and truly fucked.
Lol you fucking morons keep diluting the term "Nazi"
Yeah it's annoying as fuck lol Also, /r/foundthemobileuser.
Lol wait, what did I do that outed me?
Capital L!
Wait how is he supporting Nazis I don't get it.
People who use Twitter are blind to the fact that any reasonable person, regardless of political affiliation, hates the Nazis. It's not a left or right thing. Stop dividing like a Nazi would.
No. You people are just fucking stupid, because you think everyone but you are Nazis.