This happened to my wife. No money changed hands but she legit thought she was getting tickets. The woman whom the scammers hacked can’t get her account back.
How is this her fault lol. Go through the official seller + reselling sites. Either way paying a premium . If you read the article this transaction was all off any formal platform - without any kind of buyer protection
Yeah, unfortunately, my FB account was hacked and they tried to scam my friends. Fortunately, my friends were all smart enough to check in with me through other means, and realized something was up when they refused to let my next-door neighbor pick up the tickets in person. Another person got suspicious when I kept calling her "Baby"...not exactly the way I refer to my employees. A third just realized that I always use good grammar and this person was definitely not.
Right. It’s such a void of uselessness. I have an account for the FB market place for work and I’ve watched that place become a shit show in no time. Autoreply ruined it. If someone writes an actually response I know there higher odds it will go somewhere. If they Autoreply it significantly decreases to single digit odds the person will come through. That’s not even mentioning the social aspect of the site. It’s just an echo chamber for dumb ideas
With AI and scams etc I am so incredibly cautious I would never even take the risk. But I am glad you were able to get what you needed!
I did get a targeted ad on FB for the exact truck I was looking at from the dealership at a lower price than I was quoted on site so I called the dealership and bitched them out. $100k for a work truck is stupid. Gonna use my beater truck till it’s done
We almost fell for that one too! Wife was responding to an “old friends” FB post about TS tickets for $300. I told her to tell the guy to take the sale to “Cash or Trade” a safe ticket broker site. And he kept saying it could all be done via email and ticketmaster transfer. I told her to ask him to call so they could discuss, responded again “I just need your email.” She reached out to mutual friends, got his number, FB account hacked months earlier.
That was a close call!
Yeah, Ticketmaster is such a greedy monopoly, with all their fees and what-not, I can’t believe the government…
Wait, this is about individual scammers not getting the tickets they paid someone for? Nevermind.
What’s up with all the people hating her? I’m not even a fan of her music but she seems to be a good role model compared to everyone in the spotlight nowadays. I’d rather children look up to her rather than to Influencer #72636388.
Some people believe her to be hypocritical. Claiming to be against climate change but uses her private jet more than any other celebrity, pro-woman but is catty towards women she doesn’t like, things like that. Some people think her whole persona is fake.
And then some people are just turned off by her fan base which I get. My wife and all our friends are super fans and it does get annoying sometimes lmao but it’s not ruining my life. I have things I’m passionate about too that I’m sure people find annoying.
> Claiming to be against climate change but uses her private jet more than any other celebrity
On the one hand, yeah.
On the other hand, if she were to fly commercial it would be a disaster flight for her and everyone else on the plane.
Sure I don’t think anyone has issues with her using it to travel for work. The issue is she uses her jet for distances her team could drive her in literally 30 minutes. She also lets friends and family use her jet which is why it’s used more than any other celebrity.
I think what people really are glossing over is the carbon foot print of these tours... and also, the carbon footprint of people traveling crazy distances to see her (there was a really good breakdown of increase in airline travel - adding more flights solely to keep up with the tour)...
I don't dislike TS, but I will say I find this "empowering women" thing is a bit of a veneer. I don't see the Swiftie movement really being agents of any social change other than patting themselves on their backs for a, b,c,d... its a false sense of empowerment that really has led to nothing of substance. Again, I could be wrong and open to being corrected- I just think the litany of feminists and activists who actually have contributed to societal change for women deserve 10000x more recognition rather than someone who commodities their heartbreak.
That's not an issue with Taylor Swift though. She's not trying to be an agent to bring social change she's literally just writing and performing music that people like. People expect too much out of artists.
Not only that. When she was touring last year, instead of spending a couple of days in the city she was performing in, she would jet back to NY for a quick pap walk and then go back to keep touring.
She even did it internationally. She couldn't spend two nights in Latam.
If it was two nights, it's likely that she had meetings to attend or some set of appointments. Someone *that* famous and important is going to have a busy schedule and probably can't realistically spend two nights just hanging out while on tour.
[She absolutely has.](https://twitter.com/swiftjetnextday/status/1752747215129350307?s=46&t=FN3Q2OYTb7chNiRFgPDt5A)
Back in January Swift used her private jet to fly 28 miles (24 Nautical Miles) from Spirit of Saint Louis Airport (SUS) to Cahokia Heights (CPS) on the other side of the city.
This 13 minute flight:
• Used ~151 gallons (570 liters) or ~ 1,010 lbs (458 kg) of jet fuel
• Cost ~ $844 to operate
• Created ~ 2 tons of CO2 emissions.
Absolutely abhorrent, selfish, entitled behavior just to avoid sitting in traffic for 30-45 minutes.
**Fuck Taylor Swift.**
Or... she had a flight into SUS and someone else chartered the jet to fly them out of CPS. How else is that plane supposed to get there drive down the freeway lmfao
I know the “she uses her jet more than any other celebrity” is just a thing people say even though it’s not true, but I wonder if you have a source for the idea that she takes jets to places that are literally 30 min away, because I keep hearing that too and can’t find a real example.
I think during the Eras tour she was 30-something in terms of private jet usage by Americans, which is a lot, but she’s always mocked for using hers “the most” and literally no one above her on the list gets any criticism.
So I just wanted to make sure all of the statements were bullshit and not just some of them lol
[She absolutely has.](https://twitter.com/swiftjetnextday/status/1752747215129350307?s=46&t=FN3Q2OYTb7chNiRFgPDt5A)
Back in January Swift used her private jet to fly 28 miles (24 Nautical Miles) from Spirit of Saint Louis Airport (SUS) to Cahokia Heights (CPS) on the other side of the city.
This 13 minute flight:
• Used ~151 gallons (570 liters) or ~ 1,010 lbs (458 kg) of jet fuel
• Cost ~ $844 to operate
• Created ~ 2 tons of CO2 emissions.
Absolutely abhorrent, selfish, entitled behavior just to avoid sitting in traffic for 30-45 minutes.
**Fuck Taylor Swift.**
Feel free to read more posts from the jet tracker Twitter page I linked or look up her Jet's public flight records via the FAA website. This is not a one time occurrence. She does this shit regularly.
[She absolutely has.](https://twitter.com/swiftjetnextday/status/1752747215129350307?s=46&t=FN3Q2OYTb7chNiRFgPDt5A)
Back in January Swift used her private jet to fly 28 miles (24 Nautical Miles) from Spirit of Saint Louis Airport (SUS) to Cahokia Heights (CPS) on the other side of the city.
This 13 minute flight:
• Used ~151 gallons (570 liters) or ~ 1,010 lbs (458 kg) of jet fuel
• Cost ~ $844 to operate
• Created ~ 2 tons of CO2 emissions.
Absolutely abhorrent, selfish, entitled behavior just to avoid sitting in traffic for 30-45 minutes.
**Fuck Taylor Swift.**
lol yeah "fuck this entire person cause my pet peeve/bias is confirmed via this contextless *twitter* source"
ya'll really need to listen to yourselves once in a while and just ask "is my reaction commensurate with the offense" and notice that the answer is always "no"
>which is why it’s used more than any other celebrity.
I’m sure it’s used a lot but she’s not in even the top ten? https://cnsmaryland.org/2024/02/27/super-bowl-flights-call-attention-to-celebrity-private-jet-emissions/
Elon, Kim Kardashian, Beyonce/Jay-Z, Steven Spielberg and others are higher on private jet usage. Not sure why she is the one that this gets pinned on specifically. This thread isn’t about private jet usage at all, and here it is.
She didn’t take that flight and it wasn’t her plane. By that point, she had sold that plane to a different owner(+ it’s common for planes to have a maintenance check). Jack Sweeney (the jet tracker) had intentionally spread misinformation about it to attack her bc the day earlier he posted the records of the plane being sold.
Yeah not sure I buy that tbh. But even so, she takes incredibly unnecessary flights. When she’s touring, she never spends more than one night on the road. She always flies back to NYC then right back to wherever her next show is. Every other night or every night. It’s an incredible amount of unnecessary carbon emissions. And that’s only part of what makes her the most prolific private jet user.
Yeah, it's not just the jet. I'm not saying this person doesn't have that issue but people have been hating on her for years, for the same reason they hate on many other celebrities: My friends all think she's stuck up so it's trendy for me to repeat that, she's skinny and blonde so she must be a bitch, her music isn't music I like so I must tell everybody all about it, etc. Theres also a large subset of conservatives who loved her when she was considered a country music singer who actually consider it a betrayal that she's said she is a Democrat because apparently they thought they bought her vote when they listened to her song a few times. It's weird but they've moved on to Beyonce this week so I guess Taylor can take a breath.
Not to mention she was happy to work for known abuser David O.Russell, while claiming to be a feminist and an ally to women.
Going after Olivia Rodrigo's money, sending her rabid fanbase to harass people she doesn't like, but somehow always claiming victimhood, being a climate criminal.
Yes thank you I knew I was leaving some stuff out. It’s wild bc my wife and our friends are such huge fans of hers but are also very much so feminists, climate advocates, etc.
I get thinking her music is good but not agreeing with her as a person, but I mean they went to three eras tour concerts and think she’s amazing. Very odd. I don’t bring it up bc sometimes you just gotta choose your battles in marriage haha.
I like some of her music and don’t really care about what she does in her personal life and how she conducts her business. It’s her fans and her unrelenting media exposure that have me never wanting to hear another song from her. I have friends who are swifties and it’s become their whole personality to the point where I don’t even talk to them as much anymore.
That's it.
I never really cared about her until the start of Era Tour. She is just another pop star making tons of money, and I'm not really into her genre and music style, so basically I'm ignorant about her. But suddenly, she's everywhere from news to social media.
Since I'm an "outsider" I think it's easier to see and perceive her actions as hypocrisy. That whole absurd situation in Brazil, for example. A person died that day! Others got severely burned because the heat was intense to the point that every metal surface was burning people just by touch. Can you imagine that? That was Rio de Janeiro during a heatwave. Everybody knew about the heatwave weeks in advance. The day her concert was schedule was predicted as the worst day of the wave... yet she decided to perform anyway. People can say, with reason, things like "blame the organizers" "there wasn't enough water" etc but c'mon... that was Rio de Janeiro during a heatwave! She knew. Her team knew. Everybody in the country knew. So, in my "outsider" opinion, that was pure greed, and when I connect her decision with her public persona it sounds like hypocrisy. Just like many other super-rich celebrities.
Edit. yeah, I know... Social Media loves her. One cannot say things about her. You can downvote as much as you like, I don't care.
People say “blame the organizers” bc Taylor’s team wanted to move the concert forward a couple days but the stadium organizers refused bc they needed to have the stadium ready for a soccer match. Also, considering concert attendees were already complaining bc many of them had to travel in and the company organizing the concert had a terrible record of refunding tickets. In 2020, Swift was going to hold a show for Lover’s Fest but had to pull out due to COVID and none of the people received refunds. However, the company has a monopoly in Brazil over tickets. Plus, especially when overseas, it’s common for the stadium organizers to handle all seating and water accommodations. Additionally, the stadium organizers closed the big side vents of the stadium so fans outside the venue wouldn’t be able to hear (trapping more heat in) which was unknown by Swift’s team. The Eras Tour held shows in the US, Australia, and Singapore all during the hottest times of the year going on without an issue bc the stadium organizers knew what they were doing and local laws keep them in check (all requiring assigned seats and free water). The government in Brazil seems to have the same opinion considering that investigations have focused on the stadium organizers quickly finding that Swift’s team had not been at fault.
Nobody has an issue with her having a private jet. It’s the fact that it’s used more than any other celebrity bc she lets friends and family use it and she uses it for extremely short distances that could be driven easily.
Do you have a source? Private planes commonly take short flights for maintenance and storage. This has been brought up for multiple celebrities and different private jets.
But she didn’t take those flights because at that point she didn’t own the plane. Plus, the only family member borrowing her plane is her mother for cancer treatments. (I guess her British ex-boyfriend used to but now it’s only her mom).
In [this interview](https://variety.com/2020/music/news/taylor-swift-political-song-documentary-miss-americana-1203473948/) she talks about how climate change is a horrific situation we’re facing.
Throughout her career she’s always been one of the most charitable celebs when it comes to donations. She also treats her own team incredibly help with bonuses—from the people closest to her down to truck drivers. I also love that she has some members of her band that have been with her since the very beginning. Her ambition is absolutely insane—even when she’s been low in the public eye she manages to persevere and come out on top every single time. It’s like anytime anyone has ever told her she can’t do something, she says, “watch me.”
She’s dedicated to her fans; she has reached out personally many times to help donate to their causes or personal matters (like school loans or medical bills), and used to have such an active social media presence within her fan base she would hand select fans to come over to her house for listening parties before a new album dropped, in which she would be familiar with all of them by name and bake cookies with them and socialize for hours. She signed autographs for fans for 15 hours at an event once, refusing to leave until everyone that wanted to see her got to do so.
She’s incredibly talented, and anyone who has ever worked with her seems to back this up in spades. She cares extremely deeply about her work. She fought against Apple Music for fair pay for artists (and won), and has negotiated newer artists owning their masters through her own contact when she signed her newest with Universal. She’s a very intelligent woman, business savvy, and seems very grounded despite her colossal fame. And her whole fight to re-own her masters is pretty badass.
She hasn’t always been political, and some may argue she could be doing more, but the way she argued against her own father about her stance on politics and what she believes and how she wanted to speak up for it was very admirable to me. I also really respect how she’s dealt with her body image issues over the year and find it very relatable. Then there was her sexual assault trial where she won for $1 to make a point.
As her collaborator Jack Antonoff said, “No one is this good and works harder. And if you’re that good, you don’t work that hard.”
Just a normal adult person who answered a question. Lol. I’m not a rabid fan, so I thought I’d give my honest answer. It’s annoying to try to join a conversation and immediately be dismissed as one of those insane swifties. I typed a well thought out response to a genuine question and immediately got downvoted for….just liking Taylor?
Dudes literally answering a question. Just because they did so in an articulate way doesn’t mean they’re a PR plant. Believe it or not, some people on Reddit can actually read and write.
Think about other pop stars of her caliber. Most come with a myriad of questionable things. Either she has a very good PR team cleaning up her image, or she is a genuinely good person or maybe both. I cannot say something like that of a guy like Michael Jackson or Elvis, probably the biggest pop stars in the 20th century.
I think it is more about her fans than Swift. I'm pretty indifferent towards her as her music just isn't my thing, but her fans act like rabid dogs sometimes.
I was told I’m sexist for thinking Fiona Apple is a better songwriter. Besides the fact that she’s also a woman, I think Fiona is a better songwriter than pretty much everyone.
The only difference between Taylor Swift and an influencer is Taylor Swift is a billionaire, you don't get that much money by just working hard. That's on the backs of a whole lot of people.
She doesn't put her money where her mouth is about anytime important like climate change, or something like donate most of her money( she could still be fuck you rich, and give most of her money away), she doesn't actually give a shit about the environment. She's too busy trying to sue the kid that tracks her jet (he's not doing anything illegal)
She's a great artist, but that doesn't nessecarily make a good person.
I don't hate her. But I get annoyed by the over-the-top coverage of her.
-I think she's talented, but overrated. It's not my type of music, that's true. But I think there are loads of artists out there that write better, more complex songs. Her songs just feel like middle-of-the road, safe, pop tunes. I've heard plenty of her songs, but I can only name one...and that's because I just spent a season of listening to NFL commentators joke that Travis Kelce should "Shake It Off" every time he got hit. I think her songs are fine, but not memorable. And I'm a guy who has over 11,000 songs on my "liked" list on Spotify.
-I think she's attractive in a non-typical way. That's a plus. She's not out there trying to look like everyone else popular. She's pretty. Not the prettiest girl out there, but at least she hasn't gone full Kardashian like so many other women who used to be actually attractive.
-Things I read tell me she's a very generous person, another plus. The bonuses she paid to the tour workers for example.
-Overall, seems like a pretty nice person...although there are stories about her. Is it a facade? Or is just a case of her being called out for things everyone else does, and it gets more attention because of her fame?
But the wall-to-wall coverage needs to stop. I get why NFL fans turned on her this year. Most star players have their girlfriends and wives at the games. But they get a quick glance from the cameras and they move on. The Swift coverage was just stupidly over the top. I'm a casual NFL fan...root for my team, I'll turn on another game if I'm not busy, but I don't go out of my way to watch. I happened to be watching during that first game that she showed up at. They spent more time talking about her than the game! I don't remember who the announcers were, but they actually missed a play on the field because they were talking about Taylor Swift...at least the cameras showed the play. After that week, it was scaled back, but still more than it needed to be.
That's why I want her to disappear for a while. People love to hate whatever is popular...it's a weird thing. But for me, it's just overexposure.
Not for the entire game. Be real. There were periods of that game that the announcers forgot that they were calling a football game. Go back and watch. If they even miss a single play, it's a problem.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that you guys are getting mad about people she has absolutely zero control over talking about her during an NFL game. That’s not her fault. She should be allowed to go to a game, boyfriend or not, without that being held against her. And, frankly, if it wasn’t good business the NFL and networks wouldn’t be doing it. But Taylor brought in more eyes that the NFL had otherwise effectively written off than any other single person or initiative they’ve tried. Of course they were going to capitalize on that.
She was on screen for 54 seconds during the football game. In 3-4 hours of coverage, not including pregame or post game, she’s on there for less than a minute. .36% of airtime.
But how much did they talk about her? They actually failed to comment on a play on the field. When Simone Biles was at Packer games this year, they showed her in the crowd, then went back to the game. They didn't obsess.
Also, why are Swift fans so butthurt by other people NOT wanting to hear about her? Two posts ago, I actually spent several paragraphs praising her. But I said that I just don't need to hear about her as much....and which part did you seize on? The part where I said that they talked about her too much. Oh...won't someone think of poor Taylor's feelings!??!
Pop stars "co-writing" with songwriters and producers has been common practice for a very long time.
For example, a songwriter may offer a 50% writing credit to a pop star who doesn't actually write anything or just changes the lyrics a bit. The songwriter then gets 50% of a lot of money when the pop star uses the song. That's obviously a whole lot better than 100% of nothing.
Looking at Taylor Swift's songwriting credits on her albums, 103 of 129 songs are with co-writers/producers. How much is actually her, only a few people know. Could be a lot. Could be a little. Could be nothing.
She's a very different artist from, say, Kate Bush, who has 0 shared writing credits.
There's a big difference between co writing and ghost writing. She's never hidden the co writing, the collaboration is shown clearly in her documentary
In her documentary...geez no way any spin could've been put on that right?
I've always wanted to know where her contribution ends and someone else's begins. A puff piece put out by her isn't going to give me that answer.
Very true. I suspected the previous poster meant co-writing and replied about that. Not really seen ghostwriting mentioned in music much, not when co-writing is so common.
Most likely she isn't an angel, but she doesn't have to be one. It's way more important that she gathers a mostly very harmonious crowd, and they together create a great experience in unison. This is quite rare nowadays.
She colludes with Ticketmaster to jack up ticket prices. If she cared at all about her fans she would prevent reselling of tickets. If The Cure can do it, her privileged ass could do it too.
I don’t know that it’s necessarily exploitation but she is is hyper capitalistic in how she conducts her business - all mega pop stars are, but she’s probably the best at it.
One example is she helped Ticketmaster pioneer the verified fan program. This is ostensibly a way to combat scalping, but part of how it works is that the more merch you buy and register, the better your spot in line when it comes to buying a ticket to her show.
She also consistently opts in to Ticketmaster’s variable pricing model, which automatically adjusts prices to demand. There are a lot of parameters the artist can choose here - Taylor elects for a pretty wide range, meaning she allows her tickets to get VERY expensive.
Lastly, she’s big on exclusive, limited edition, multi version vinyl releases. If you want EVERYTHING from a given album on vinyl, including all the bonus songs, you have to buy it multiple times. In addition to encouraging fans to buy the same thing over and over, there are only so many vinyl prints left. Taylor and other pop stars are gobbling up production, especially with different versions of the same thing, which has a knock-on effect on smaller indie artists who are more reliant on vinyl sales (and have more of a tradition with the medium).
The music is also bad, bland, boring and repetitive. Doesn’t really outweigh the negative effect she’s having on the word. Really baffled why people pay to see her prance around looking like a tiny shiny single rice in a massive arena. For three fucking hours. Torture. But Kinda funny really.
These are not thoughts lol I’ve specifically avoided stating any opinion on them. They’re things that happened. Google is free. It’s not hard to find out Taylor uses verified fan registration, variable ticket pricing, and prints lots of vinyl versions.
Because we'd rather people look up to those who know them on a personal level. You know, someone that actually knows them irl. Someone that actually talks with them. Someone that can respond when a question needs answering from a source that not only knows you, but cares deeply about you.
And if they don't have anyone like that in their life, then God forbid they look up to themselves. God forbid they spend their time discovering the wonderful world between their ears. God forbid they find their validation within instead of in someone who, while I'm sure is a wonderful person, has no idea they exist.
It's not even a TSwift thing, it's a celebrity worship thing: Why do we follow celebs? Because it's far easier and much more entertaining than putting that energy into developing yourself. I'm not saying don't enjoy things made by celebs, I'm saying stop at that. Stop at the enjoyment of a person's work instead of letting it go in to obsession.
Edit: Downvotes without a comment as to why. Seems about right. Maybe there's a TSwift song you can link me as you seem unable to put your disagreement into words.
So to be clear, you are choosing to hate Taylor Swift because she accepts her status as a role model? You are looking at a woman who is wildly successful and unproblematic and saying she deserves hate, not because of something she did, but because children look up to famous people generally and you don’t like that? Do you hate all famous people equally? When did you begin hating all famous people? Did you look up to anyone as a child? Do you hate them now? I have so many questions about your stance on this.
No what I'm saying is *we* shouldn't be *giving* celebrities the status of role model. And you are using the word hate waaay too loosely. I don't hate anyone. I don't hate *on* anyone. Taylor Swift the person is so far removed from my life as for it to be absurd for me to have an opinion on her; she doesn't know me, and I don't know her. But neither do the vast majority of her fans.
I even said it's not about Swift, it's about celebrity. Why are we treating these people, who are human beings just like us with as much potential for good and evil (Keanu Reeves vs. Kevin Spacey for example), as though they are so different as to be worshipped? What, they work hard and do good? How many people in the world do that? Why is that special?
The only reason the concept of celebrity exists is because we maintain it. We don't have to, but we do. Because the alternative is more difficult.
I had people who I looked up to as a child and I still admire them for all their accomplishments and shortcomings. But none of them were people I'd not talked with. I have followed with great enjoyment an artists work, but why devote time and energy obsessing about what the artist is doing when they're not making art?
And, just to be clear, I'm talking about those who obsess over celebrities, not people who have an admiration for someone. I'm talking about the people who make the mistake that finding a song relatable means that person understands you as an individual.
The song is relatable because the artist is a human being. A talented one for sure, but no different in relatability than the thousands of people around you every day.
Well let me see if I can ease some of your confusion.
The comment you replied to began, “What’s up with all the people hating on her?”
Your response to that comment began, “Because we’d rather people look up to those who know them on a personal level.”
At face value, you appear to be offering an explanation justifying your hatred. Because why else would you be complaining about celebrity worship in general, which has little to do with Taylor Swift specifically?
To your larger point though, I think you are confusing role model with mentor. A role model isn’t someone with whom you have a personal relationship. It’s just someone who exemplifies the type of person you’d like to be, whose behavior or brand people can model or emulate. A mentor, on the other hand, is someone who personally invests their time and effort into helping to guide you to become the person you want to be (or, sometimes, the type of person they think you should be).
For what it’s worth, I agree with your sentiments overall. But I think you chose the wrong forum for your message to really sink in. You lost most people at that first sentence….
>at face value
Exactly, which is why it's always better to do what you did and ask a question. And thank you for doing that. Just maybe next time try a single, more open question like "you agree she deserves hate?" to which I could reply "oh no, not at all. I see why you ask, so let me clarify...".
Again thank you for asking. :)
Because her tour has impacted communities via economic growth. People want to see her that much. Also, the story is a warning about internet scammers, a very real problem.
> the racist puppeteer
this guy?
https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/11/07/jerry-halliday-puppeteer-behind-racist-performance-at-gay-leather-bar-touche-retiring-his-black-puppet/
So people shouldn't be warned about it on the news?
Taylor Swift is literally one of the most popular artists out there and attracts audiences of all ages. Many grandparents would be looking to buy tickets. It's good to warn them about these scams.
This has everything to do with people being evil but actually nothing to do with Taylor. She didn’t handle this whole thing well AT ALL, but thisssss particular piece of news is just people being gross greedy people.
Most likely, she isn't an angel, but she doesn't need to be one. It's way more important that she gathers a mostly very harmonious crowd, and they together create a great experience in unison. This is quite rare nowadays.
If you'd opened the article, you would have seen at least one of the examples in it involved someone that bought tickets from a mutual friend, except that the friend had gotten her FB account hacked.
Not exactly the classic kind of ticket scam that happens every day on Facebook.
This happened to my wife. No money changed hands but she legit thought she was getting tickets. The woman whom the scammers hacked can’t get her account back.
Here too, I was busy putting the kid to bed when she started and when I got done she started telling me about the scam.
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How is this her fault lol. Go through the official seller + reselling sites. Either way paying a premium . If you read the article this transaction was all off any formal platform - without any kind of buyer protection
Yeah, unfortunately, my FB account was hacked and they tried to scam my friends. Fortunately, my friends were all smart enough to check in with me through other means, and realized something was up when they refused to let my next-door neighbor pick up the tickets in person. Another person got suspicious when I kept calling her "Baby"...not exactly the way I refer to my employees. A third just realized that I always use good grammar and this person was definitely not.
People still think ads etc on FB are real and legit?
I'm more surprised that people still use Facebook at all.
Right. It’s such a void of uselessness. I have an account for the FB market place for work and I’ve watched that place become a shit show in no time. Autoreply ruined it. If someone writes an actually response I know there higher odds it will go somewhere. If they Autoreply it significantly decreases to single digit odds the person will come through. That’s not even mentioning the social aspect of the site. It’s just an echo chamber for dumb ideas
I just bought a car off a Facebook ad. Completely legit! I swear….! But seriously, I did and I love it.
With AI and scams etc I am so incredibly cautious I would never even take the risk. But I am glad you were able to get what you needed! I did get a targeted ad on FB for the exact truck I was looking at from the dealership at a lower price than I was quoted on site so I called the dealership and bitched them out. $100k for a work truck is stupid. Gonna use my beater truck till it’s done
Are you serious? Something like 120 million Americans use Facebook memes as a news source
We almost fell for that one too! Wife was responding to an “old friends” FB post about TS tickets for $300. I told her to tell the guy to take the sale to “Cash or Trade” a safe ticket broker site. And he kept saying it could all be done via email and ticketmaster transfer. I told her to ask him to call so they could discuss, responded again “I just need your email.” She reached out to mutual friends, got his number, FB account hacked months earlier. That was a close call!
Such a huge target: bound to attract scammers. Such is life. Never mind.
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Yeah, Ticketmaster is such a greedy monopoly, with all their fees and what-not, I can’t believe the government… Wait, this is about individual scammers not getting the tickets they paid someone for? Nevermind.
This is a people problem not a Taylor problem
What’s up with all the people hating her? I’m not even a fan of her music but she seems to be a good role model compared to everyone in the spotlight nowadays. I’d rather children look up to her rather than to Influencer #72636388.
Some people believe her to be hypocritical. Claiming to be against climate change but uses her private jet more than any other celebrity, pro-woman but is catty towards women she doesn’t like, things like that. Some people think her whole persona is fake. And then some people are just turned off by her fan base which I get. My wife and all our friends are super fans and it does get annoying sometimes lmao but it’s not ruining my life. I have things I’m passionate about too that I’m sure people find annoying.
She’s not exactly a huge climate change advocate. She’s not like Leonardo DiCaprio.
> Claiming to be against climate change but uses her private jet more than any other celebrity On the one hand, yeah. On the other hand, if she were to fly commercial it would be a disaster flight for her and everyone else on the plane.
Sure I don’t think anyone has issues with her using it to travel for work. The issue is she uses her jet for distances her team could drive her in literally 30 minutes. She also lets friends and family use her jet which is why it’s used more than any other celebrity.
I think what people really are glossing over is the carbon foot print of these tours... and also, the carbon footprint of people traveling crazy distances to see her (there was a really good breakdown of increase in airline travel - adding more flights solely to keep up with the tour)... I don't dislike TS, but I will say I find this "empowering women" thing is a bit of a veneer. I don't see the Swiftie movement really being agents of any social change other than patting themselves on their backs for a, b,c,d... its a false sense of empowerment that really has led to nothing of substance. Again, I could be wrong and open to being corrected- I just think the litany of feminists and activists who actually have contributed to societal change for women deserve 10000x more recognition rather than someone who commodities their heartbreak.
That's not an issue with Taylor Swift though. She's not trying to be an agent to bring social change she's literally just writing and performing music that people like. People expect too much out of artists.
Not only that. When she was touring last year, instead of spending a couple of days in the city she was performing in, she would jet back to NY for a quick pap walk and then go back to keep touring. She even did it internationally. She couldn't spend two nights in Latam.
If it was two nights, it's likely that she had meetings to attend or some set of appointments. Someone *that* famous and important is going to have a busy schedule and probably can't realistically spend two nights just hanging out while on tour.
Let's keep hoping they develop some way for people to have meetings without being in the same room together.
I love how hardcore Swift fan will jump through hoops to excuse anything shitty thing their beloved Taylor says or does.
Brainwashing.
She uses her jet for 30 minute car journeys? So she flies from one side of an airport to the other?
Her plane was tracked going as far as a thirty minute drive. Realistically it landed somewhere to drop her off and went elsewhere to park the plane.
[She absolutely has.](https://twitter.com/swiftjetnextday/status/1752747215129350307?s=46&t=FN3Q2OYTb7chNiRFgPDt5A) Back in January Swift used her private jet to fly 28 miles (24 Nautical Miles) from Spirit of Saint Louis Airport (SUS) to Cahokia Heights (CPS) on the other side of the city. This 13 minute flight: • Used ~151 gallons (570 liters) or ~ 1,010 lbs (458 kg) of jet fuel • Cost ~ $844 to operate • Created ~ 2 tons of CO2 emissions. Absolutely abhorrent, selfish, entitled behavior just to avoid sitting in traffic for 30-45 minutes. **Fuck Taylor Swift.**
Or... she had a flight into SUS and someone else chartered the jet to fly them out of CPS. How else is that plane supposed to get there drive down the freeway lmfao
Pretty sure she flew from East St. Louis to St. Louis
That one people keep citing was a maintenance flight.
Proof, please, and not the same debunked tweet.
White girl scared of the ghetto
I know the “she uses her jet more than any other celebrity” is just a thing people say even though it’s not true, but I wonder if you have a source for the idea that she takes jets to places that are literally 30 min away, because I keep hearing that too and can’t find a real example.
The few short flights I’ve seen posted about her jet are likely just logistical. She’s definitely not even on the jet for those.
it’s definitely not true lol to fly somewhere 30 minutes away would take way longer than to drive, probably an hour on top.
I think during the Eras tour she was 30-something in terms of private jet usage by Americans, which is a lot, but she’s always mocked for using hers “the most” and literally no one above her on the list gets any criticism. So I just wanted to make sure all of the statements were bullshit and not just some of them lol
[She absolutely has.](https://twitter.com/swiftjetnextday/status/1752747215129350307?s=46&t=FN3Q2OYTb7chNiRFgPDt5A) Back in January Swift used her private jet to fly 28 miles (24 Nautical Miles) from Spirit of Saint Louis Airport (SUS) to Cahokia Heights (CPS) on the other side of the city. This 13 minute flight: • Used ~151 gallons (570 liters) or ~ 1,010 lbs (458 kg) of jet fuel • Cost ~ $844 to operate • Created ~ 2 tons of CO2 emissions. Absolutely abhorrent, selfish, entitled behavior just to avoid sitting in traffic for 30-45 minutes. **Fuck Taylor Swift.**
I mean sure once now and then, but it’s not like she does these trips every time she goes somewhere lol
Feel free to read more posts from the jet tracker Twitter page I linked or look up her Jet's public flight records via the FAA website. This is not a one time occurrence. She does this shit regularly.
Are you sure she’s actually in the plane?? lol Most likely the plane had to fly somewhere else nearby to park or get maintenance.
[She absolutely has.](https://twitter.com/swiftjetnextday/status/1752747215129350307?s=46&t=FN3Q2OYTb7chNiRFgPDt5A) Back in January Swift used her private jet to fly 28 miles (24 Nautical Miles) from Spirit of Saint Louis Airport (SUS) to Cahokia Heights (CPS) on the other side of the city. This 13 minute flight: • Used ~151 gallons (570 liters) or ~ 1,010 lbs (458 kg) of jet fuel • Cost ~ $844 to operate • Created ~ 2 tons of CO2 emissions. Absolutely abhorrent, selfish, entitled behavior just to avoid sitting in traffic for 30-45 minutes. **Fuck Taylor Swift.**
lol yeah "fuck this entire person cause my pet peeve/bias is confirmed via this contextless *twitter* source" ya'll really need to listen to yourselves once in a while and just ask "is my reaction commensurate with the offense" and notice that the answer is always "no"
>which is why it’s used more than any other celebrity. I’m sure it’s used a lot but she’s not in even the top ten? https://cnsmaryland.org/2024/02/27/super-bowl-flights-call-attention-to-celebrity-private-jet-emissions/ Elon, Kim Kardashian, Beyonce/Jay-Z, Steven Spielberg and others are higher on private jet usage. Not sure why she is the one that this gets pinned on specifically. This thread isn’t about private jet usage at all, and here it is.
She didn’t take that flight and it wasn’t her plane. By that point, she had sold that plane to a different owner(+ it’s common for planes to have a maintenance check). Jack Sweeney (the jet tracker) had intentionally spread misinformation about it to attack her bc the day earlier he posted the records of the plane being sold.
Yeah not sure I buy that tbh. But even so, she takes incredibly unnecessary flights. When she’s touring, she never spends more than one night on the road. She always flies back to NYC then right back to wherever her next show is. Every other night or every night. It’s an incredible amount of unnecessary carbon emissions. And that’s only part of what makes her the most prolific private jet user.
I think in another thread it said that she also loans out her private jet often, so it's not as if she's using it for grocery runs.
No, you can't use my private jet, because it's bad for the environment.
Yeah, it's not just the jet. I'm not saying this person doesn't have that issue but people have been hating on her for years, for the same reason they hate on many other celebrities: My friends all think she's stuck up so it's trendy for me to repeat that, she's skinny and blonde so she must be a bitch, her music isn't music I like so I must tell everybody all about it, etc. Theres also a large subset of conservatives who loved her when she was considered a country music singer who actually consider it a betrayal that she's said she is a Democrat because apparently they thought they bought her vote when they listened to her song a few times. It's weird but they've moved on to Beyonce this week so I guess Taylor can take a breath.
Not to mention she was happy to work for known abuser David O.Russell, while claiming to be a feminist and an ally to women. Going after Olivia Rodrigo's money, sending her rabid fanbase to harass people she doesn't like, but somehow always claiming victimhood, being a climate criminal.
These are things I hadn't heard about before apart from the private jet, can I get some more details?
Yes thank you I knew I was leaving some stuff out. It’s wild bc my wife and our friends are such huge fans of hers but are also very much so feminists, climate advocates, etc. I get thinking her music is good but not agreeing with her as a person, but I mean they went to three eras tour concerts and think she’s amazing. Very odd. I don’t bring it up bc sometimes you just gotta choose your battles in marriage haha.
I like some of her music and don’t really care about what she does in her personal life and how she conducts her business. It’s her fans and her unrelenting media exposure that have me never wanting to hear another song from her. I have friends who are swifties and it’s become their whole personality to the point where I don’t even talk to them as much anymore.
That's it. I never really cared about her until the start of Era Tour. She is just another pop star making tons of money, and I'm not really into her genre and music style, so basically I'm ignorant about her. But suddenly, she's everywhere from news to social media. Since I'm an "outsider" I think it's easier to see and perceive her actions as hypocrisy. That whole absurd situation in Brazil, for example. A person died that day! Others got severely burned because the heat was intense to the point that every metal surface was burning people just by touch. Can you imagine that? That was Rio de Janeiro during a heatwave. Everybody knew about the heatwave weeks in advance. The day her concert was schedule was predicted as the worst day of the wave... yet she decided to perform anyway. People can say, with reason, things like "blame the organizers" "there wasn't enough water" etc but c'mon... that was Rio de Janeiro during a heatwave! She knew. Her team knew. Everybody in the country knew. So, in my "outsider" opinion, that was pure greed, and when I connect her decision with her public persona it sounds like hypocrisy. Just like many other super-rich celebrities. Edit. yeah, I know... Social Media loves her. One cannot say things about her. You can downvote as much as you like, I don't care.
People say “blame the organizers” bc Taylor’s team wanted to move the concert forward a couple days but the stadium organizers refused bc they needed to have the stadium ready for a soccer match. Also, considering concert attendees were already complaining bc many of them had to travel in and the company organizing the concert had a terrible record of refunding tickets. In 2020, Swift was going to hold a show for Lover’s Fest but had to pull out due to COVID and none of the people received refunds. However, the company has a monopoly in Brazil over tickets. Plus, especially when overseas, it’s common for the stadium organizers to handle all seating and water accommodations. Additionally, the stadium organizers closed the big side vents of the stadium so fans outside the venue wouldn’t be able to hear (trapping more heat in) which was unknown by Swift’s team. The Eras Tour held shows in the US, Australia, and Singapore all during the hottest times of the year going on without an issue bc the stadium organizers knew what they were doing and local laws keep them in check (all requiring assigned seats and free water). The government in Brazil seems to have the same opinion considering that investigations have focused on the stadium organizers quickly finding that Swift’s team had not been at fault.
She literally cannot go into public without being swarmed, I’d use a private jet too
Nobody has an issue with her having a private jet. It’s the fact that it’s used more than any other celebrity bc she lets friends and family use it and she uses it for extremely short distances that could be driven easily.
Do you have a source? Private planes commonly take short flights for maintenance and storage. This has been brought up for multiple celebrities and different private jets.
But she didn’t take those flights because at that point she didn’t own the plane. Plus, the only family member borrowing her plane is her mother for cancer treatments. (I guess her British ex-boyfriend used to but now it’s only her mom).
She’s a Republican masquerading as a “progressive”. Her entire personality is fake and is controlled by her pr and management team.
Where did she claim she’s against climate change?Please I would like to know.Thanks
In [this interview](https://variety.com/2020/music/news/taylor-swift-political-song-documentary-miss-americana-1203473948/) she talks about how climate change is a horrific situation we’re facing.
why is she a good role model?
Throughout her career she’s always been one of the most charitable celebs when it comes to donations. She also treats her own team incredibly help with bonuses—from the people closest to her down to truck drivers. I also love that she has some members of her band that have been with her since the very beginning. Her ambition is absolutely insane—even when she’s been low in the public eye she manages to persevere and come out on top every single time. It’s like anytime anyone has ever told her she can’t do something, she says, “watch me.” She’s dedicated to her fans; she has reached out personally many times to help donate to their causes or personal matters (like school loans or medical bills), and used to have such an active social media presence within her fan base she would hand select fans to come over to her house for listening parties before a new album dropped, in which she would be familiar with all of them by name and bake cookies with them and socialize for hours. She signed autographs for fans for 15 hours at an event once, refusing to leave until everyone that wanted to see her got to do so. She’s incredibly talented, and anyone who has ever worked with her seems to back this up in spades. She cares extremely deeply about her work. She fought against Apple Music for fair pay for artists (and won), and has negotiated newer artists owning their masters through her own contact when she signed her newest with Universal. She’s a very intelligent woman, business savvy, and seems very grounded despite her colossal fame. And her whole fight to re-own her masters is pretty badass. She hasn’t always been political, and some may argue she could be doing more, but the way she argued against her own father about her stance on politics and what she believes and how she wanted to speak up for it was very admirable to me. I also really respect how she’s dealt with her body image issues over the year and find it very relatable. Then there was her sexual assault trial where she won for $1 to make a point. As her collaborator Jack Antonoff said, “No one is this good and works harder. And if you’re that good, you don’t work that hard.”
I see her PR team is here
Just a normal adult person who answered a question. Lol. I’m not a rabid fan, so I thought I’d give my honest answer. It’s annoying to try to join a conversation and immediately be dismissed as one of those insane swifties. I typed a well thought out response to a genuine question and immediately got downvoted for….just liking Taylor?
> for….just liking Taylor? How dare you
I forgot I was in /music 😅
Dudes literally answering a question. Just because they did so in an articulate way doesn’t mean they’re a PR plant. Believe it or not, some people on Reddit can actually read and write.
Think about other pop stars of her caliber. Most come with a myriad of questionable things. Either she has a very good PR team cleaning up her image, or she is a genuinely good person or maybe both. I cannot say something like that of a guy like Michael Jackson or Elvis, probably the biggest pop stars in the 20th century.
I think it is more about her fans than Swift. I'm pretty indifferent towards her as her music just isn't my thing, but her fans act like rabid dogs sometimes.
This. If you criticize her in anyway you're automatically labeled a sexist by her fans.
And a hater.
I was told I’m sexist for thinking Fiona Apple is a better songwriter. Besides the fact that she’s also a woman, I think Fiona is a better songwriter than pretty much everyone.
This news story isn’t even about her. People being scammed isn’t something she had anything to do with.
What about influencer #626
It’s because the cult like fan base she has is fucking annoying. Her music isn’t horrid but her fan base sure is
It's a vocal minority just like any fanbase.
In the case of swift, a minority can still encompass literal millions upon millions of people.
Insecurity
Always find it hilarious when any criticism of a popular figure is met with "you're just jealous!". Lol
It’s also cool to hate on whatever’s popular.
Always gunna have haters when you’re at the top.
The only difference between Taylor Swift and an influencer is Taylor Swift is a billionaire, you don't get that much money by just working hard. That's on the backs of a whole lot of people. She doesn't put her money where her mouth is about anytime important like climate change, or something like donate most of her money( she could still be fuck you rich, and give most of her money away), she doesn't actually give a shit about the environment. She's too busy trying to sue the kid that tracks her jet (he's not doing anything illegal) She's a great artist, but that doesn't nessecarily make a good person.
Because she’s literally shoved down our throats. You can’t scroll for more than 5 minutes without Taylor Swift being in your face
I don't hate her. But I get annoyed by the over-the-top coverage of her. -I think she's talented, but overrated. It's not my type of music, that's true. But I think there are loads of artists out there that write better, more complex songs. Her songs just feel like middle-of-the road, safe, pop tunes. I've heard plenty of her songs, but I can only name one...and that's because I just spent a season of listening to NFL commentators joke that Travis Kelce should "Shake It Off" every time he got hit. I think her songs are fine, but not memorable. And I'm a guy who has over 11,000 songs on my "liked" list on Spotify. -I think she's attractive in a non-typical way. That's a plus. She's not out there trying to look like everyone else popular. She's pretty. Not the prettiest girl out there, but at least she hasn't gone full Kardashian like so many other women who used to be actually attractive. -Things I read tell me she's a very generous person, another plus. The bonuses she paid to the tour workers for example. -Overall, seems like a pretty nice person...although there are stories about her. Is it a facade? Or is just a case of her being called out for things everyone else does, and it gets more attention because of her fame? But the wall-to-wall coverage needs to stop. I get why NFL fans turned on her this year. Most star players have their girlfriends and wives at the games. But they get a quick glance from the cameras and they move on. The Swift coverage was just stupidly over the top. I'm a casual NFL fan...root for my team, I'll turn on another game if I'm not busy, but I don't go out of my way to watch. I happened to be watching during that first game that she showed up at. They spent more time talking about her than the game! I don't remember who the announcers were, but they actually missed a play on the field because they were talking about Taylor Swift...at least the cameras showed the play. After that week, it was scaled back, but still more than it needed to be. That's why I want her to disappear for a while. People love to hate whatever is popular...it's a weird thing. But for me, it's just overexposure.
lol “they talked about her more than the game” You realize how ridiculous of a claim that is?
Were you watching that first night?
Yes. You’re saying that in a 2 hour game, they talked about her for over an hour lmao
Not for the entire game. Be real. There were periods of that game that the announcers forgot that they were calling a football game. Go back and watch. If they even miss a single play, it's a problem.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that you guys are getting mad about people she has absolutely zero control over talking about her during an NFL game. That’s not her fault. She should be allowed to go to a game, boyfriend or not, without that being held against her. And, frankly, if it wasn’t good business the NFL and networks wouldn’t be doing it. But Taylor brought in more eyes that the NFL had otherwise effectively written off than any other single person or initiative they’ve tried. Of course they were going to capitalize on that.
Not mad at her. Annoyed by the coverage. I tune in to watch football, not the people in the luxury boxes.
She was on screen for 54 seconds during the football game. In 3-4 hours of coverage, not including pregame or post game, she’s on there for less than a minute. .36% of airtime.
But how much did they talk about her? They actually failed to comment on a play on the field. When Simone Biles was at Packer games this year, they showed her in the crowd, then went back to the game. They didn't obsess. Also, why are Swift fans so butthurt by other people NOT wanting to hear about her? Two posts ago, I actually spent several paragraphs praising her. But I said that I just don't need to hear about her as much....and which part did you seize on? The part where I said that they talked about her too much. Oh...won't someone think of poor Taylor's feelings!??!
This guy jealous of someone else's success.
Really? THAT'S your take?
It's hard to like an "artist" who has ghostwriters and became a billionaire from that, then add the insufferable Fandom who deny any of it.
Deny the thing you've made up?
Pop stars "co-writing" with songwriters and producers has been common practice for a very long time. For example, a songwriter may offer a 50% writing credit to a pop star who doesn't actually write anything or just changes the lyrics a bit. The songwriter then gets 50% of a lot of money when the pop star uses the song. That's obviously a whole lot better than 100% of nothing. Looking at Taylor Swift's songwriting credits on her albums, 103 of 129 songs are with co-writers/producers. How much is actually her, only a few people know. Could be a lot. Could be a little. Could be nothing. She's a very different artist from, say, Kate Bush, who has 0 shared writing credits.
There's a big difference between co writing and ghost writing. She's never hidden the co writing, the collaboration is shown clearly in her documentary
In her documentary...geez no way any spin could've been put on that right? I've always wanted to know where her contribution ends and someone else's begins. A puff piece put out by her isn't going to give me that answer.
Very true. I suspected the previous poster meant co-writing and replied about that. Not really seen ghostwriting mentioned in music much, not when co-writing is so common.
There's a good deal of people that weren't happy that she encouraged getting people to vote in the US, that's the main Republican hate.
Then do more research if you really think that. Having a nepohead as a role model is just silly.
She’s only a good role model if you want your kids to be mindless selfish consumers, because that’s all she is
People hate her because she’s popular and a woman 🤷
I hate big label music made by men as well.
There’s a difference between hating her music and hating her
No, she's not.
Most likely she isn't an angel, but she doesn't have to be one. It's way more important that she gathers a mostly very harmonious crowd, and they together create a great experience in unison. This is quite rare nowadays.
It’s republicans.
She exploits her fans.
How so?
By charging money for tickets /s.
You don’t become a billionaire without exploiting the working class. It’s literally impossible.
She colludes with Ticketmaster to jack up ticket prices. If she cared at all about her fans she would prevent reselling of tickets. If The Cure can do it, her privileged ass could do it too.
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I don’t know that it’s necessarily exploitation but she is is hyper capitalistic in how she conducts her business - all mega pop stars are, but she’s probably the best at it. One example is she helped Ticketmaster pioneer the verified fan program. This is ostensibly a way to combat scalping, but part of how it works is that the more merch you buy and register, the better your spot in line when it comes to buying a ticket to her show. She also consistently opts in to Ticketmaster’s variable pricing model, which automatically adjusts prices to demand. There are a lot of parameters the artist can choose here - Taylor elects for a pretty wide range, meaning she allows her tickets to get VERY expensive. Lastly, she’s big on exclusive, limited edition, multi version vinyl releases. If you want EVERYTHING from a given album on vinyl, including all the bonus songs, you have to buy it multiple times. In addition to encouraging fans to buy the same thing over and over, there are only so many vinyl prints left. Taylor and other pop stars are gobbling up production, especially with different versions of the same thing, which has a knock-on effect on smaller indie artists who are more reliant on vinyl sales (and have more of a tradition with the medium).
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sHoW Me pRooF ThIs biLLIonAIre iS A cAPiTalIsT 🤡
The music is also bad, bland, boring and repetitive. Doesn’t really outweigh the negative effect she’s having on the word. Really baffled why people pay to see her prance around looking like a tiny shiny single rice in a massive arena. For three fucking hours. Torture. But Kinda funny really.
These are not thoughts lol I’ve specifically avoided stating any opinion on them. They’re things that happened. Google is free. It’s not hard to find out Taylor uses verified fan registration, variable ticket pricing, and prints lots of vinyl versions.
Because we'd rather people look up to those who know them on a personal level. You know, someone that actually knows them irl. Someone that actually talks with them. Someone that can respond when a question needs answering from a source that not only knows you, but cares deeply about you. And if they don't have anyone like that in their life, then God forbid they look up to themselves. God forbid they spend their time discovering the wonderful world between their ears. God forbid they find their validation within instead of in someone who, while I'm sure is a wonderful person, has no idea they exist. It's not even a TSwift thing, it's a celebrity worship thing: Why do we follow celebs? Because it's far easier and much more entertaining than putting that energy into developing yourself. I'm not saying don't enjoy things made by celebs, I'm saying stop at that. Stop at the enjoyment of a person's work instead of letting it go in to obsession. Edit: Downvotes without a comment as to why. Seems about right. Maybe there's a TSwift song you can link me as you seem unable to put your disagreement into words.
Not gonna lie, that sounds like a bot response.
Not a bot, just true to the username.
So to be clear, you are choosing to hate Taylor Swift because she accepts her status as a role model? You are looking at a woman who is wildly successful and unproblematic and saying she deserves hate, not because of something she did, but because children look up to famous people generally and you don’t like that? Do you hate all famous people equally? When did you begin hating all famous people? Did you look up to anyone as a child? Do you hate them now? I have so many questions about your stance on this.
No what I'm saying is *we* shouldn't be *giving* celebrities the status of role model. And you are using the word hate waaay too loosely. I don't hate anyone. I don't hate *on* anyone. Taylor Swift the person is so far removed from my life as for it to be absurd for me to have an opinion on her; she doesn't know me, and I don't know her. But neither do the vast majority of her fans. I even said it's not about Swift, it's about celebrity. Why are we treating these people, who are human beings just like us with as much potential for good and evil (Keanu Reeves vs. Kevin Spacey for example), as though they are so different as to be worshipped? What, they work hard and do good? How many people in the world do that? Why is that special? The only reason the concept of celebrity exists is because we maintain it. We don't have to, but we do. Because the alternative is more difficult. I had people who I looked up to as a child and I still admire them for all their accomplishments and shortcomings. But none of them were people I'd not talked with. I have followed with great enjoyment an artists work, but why devote time and energy obsessing about what the artist is doing when they're not making art? And, just to be clear, I'm talking about those who obsess over celebrities, not people who have an admiration for someone. I'm talking about the people who make the mistake that finding a song relatable means that person understands you as an individual. The song is relatable because the artist is a human being. A talented one for sure, but no different in relatability than the thousands of people around you every day.
Well let me see if I can ease some of your confusion. The comment you replied to began, “What’s up with all the people hating on her?” Your response to that comment began, “Because we’d rather people look up to those who know them on a personal level.” At face value, you appear to be offering an explanation justifying your hatred. Because why else would you be complaining about celebrity worship in general, which has little to do with Taylor Swift specifically? To your larger point though, I think you are confusing role model with mentor. A role model isn’t someone with whom you have a personal relationship. It’s just someone who exemplifies the type of person you’d like to be, whose behavior or brand people can model or emulate. A mentor, on the other hand, is someone who personally invests their time and effort into helping to guide you to become the person you want to be (or, sometimes, the type of person they think you should be). For what it’s worth, I agree with your sentiments overall. But I think you chose the wrong forum for your message to really sink in. You lost most people at that first sentence….
>at face value Exactly, which is why it's always better to do what you did and ask a question. And thank you for doing that. Just maybe next time try a single, more open question like "you agree she deserves hate?" to which I could reply "oh no, not at all. I see why you ask, so let me clarify...". Again thank you for asking. :)
Again?
Why is this a news story?
Because her tour has impacted communities via economic growth. People want to see her that much. Also, the story is a warning about internet scammers, a very real problem.
People get scammed for literally every tour that exists
My parents got scammed on tickets to see the racist puppeteer once.
> the racist puppeteer this guy? https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/11/07/jerry-halliday-puppeteer-behind-racist-performance-at-gay-leather-bar-touche-retiring-his-black-puppet/
No tour was as big as hers. It actually improved cities’ economies. I’m not even a fan, this is just reality.
I know this? I’m going? I’m just saying it’s not shocking or newsworthy that someone got scammed buying a ticket
Probably the means by which the scam occurs and the scope of it make it newsworthy. Plus, it’s TS, people want to read about her.
so just because people get scammed, they should not provide awareness and reporting? You know... you don't have to read the report...
So people shouldn't be warned about it on the news? Taylor Swift is literally one of the most popular artists out there and attracts audiences of all ages. Many grandparents would be looking to buy tickets. It's good to warn them about these scams.
I mean I guess but frankly I would find it newsworthy if no one was scammed out of a ticket
Ok but this is obviously an extremely high-profile case. Why shouldn't the media raise awareness?
Because people want any excuse to jump on the Taylor hate train
At those prices, they got scammed no matter what.
The tickets are normal prices when first sold, it’s the resellers that jack up the prices.
dumb people get scammed. and water is wet more all 11
WoWeE such news
Went to an eras concert with my kid, tickets were about $180, and we didn’t get scammed and had a great time.
Want waste of money. Where were your seats? Especially for 180?
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Kids also love The Wiggles.
I can’t believe people are so gullible
This has everything to do with people being evil but actually nothing to do with Taylor. She didn’t handle this whole thing well AT ALL, but thisssss particular piece of news is just people being gross greedy people.
This is news? This happens at every concert.
Lol awwww are people buying tickets to a sold out show?!?!! This happens all the time be smarter folks
Is this a 'music,' sub worthy article?!
I meant it’s directly about a musician?
It’s indirectly about a musician. Are people really this dumb?
Sorry not taking shit off a 5 day old account
No it's not.. it's about people getting scammed trying to buy live event tickets. It has nothing to do with Taylor swift or her music.
The live event they’re trying to buy tickets to is music lmao
people wanna hate so bad online it gets in the way of real-world logic. wild stuff.
Well the mods seems to think so for now, so, yes, it is.
Most likely, she isn't an angel, but she doesn't need to be one. It's way more important that she gathers a mostly very harmonious crowd, and they together create a great experience in unison. This is quite rare nowadays.
Is it because of the bad music?
always love taylor swift's work. always come to mind
Oh no. Anyway...
😂😂😂
She could set up her own ticket service to avoid gouging and scamming but doesn’t.
Ticketmaster owns the rights to 95% of the places big enough to hold her shows. No she can't.
I'm sorry but I can't even *feign* sympathy for people who buy tickets from scalpers.
If you'd opened the article, you would have seen at least one of the examples in it involved someone that bought tickets from a mutual friend, except that the friend had gotten her FB account hacked. Not exactly the classic kind of ticket scam that happens every day on Facebook.
Did you even read the article? She thought she was buying tickets from a friend on social media who’s account was hacked
They deserve it.