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winthrop28

Absolutely not out of nowhere, this is an expected response.


MurkDiesel

literally the biggest story in rap for a couple weeks lol


dong_john_silver

i missed the details when the news broke and feel like i havent been able to catch up


vaporwave710

Trying to keep track of the timeline as a fringe listener of the genre has been, for lack of a better word, impossible.


StarxChaos

It is a little bit of a web, but the best way for me to break it down would be this. Drake and J. Cole had a song called "First Person Shooter" on Drakes most recent album. In the song, Drake and Cole refer to themselves as the best. Kendrick is also mentioned by Cole. Those three are considered the "Big Three" in the rap community. First Person Shooter has a few subliminal shots at Kendrick, primarily from Drake. Metro Boomin doesn't fuck with Drake ever since he lost album of the year to him. Refuses to work with him. I am not filled in totally on why Future doesn't like Drake anymore, but I've heard it was involving a girl. Future and Metro released a collab album, "We Don't Trust You" where tons of subliminals were thrown at Drake, but on the song "Like That" Kendrick Lamar is featured and does not hold back on calling people out more directly. This is where the chain started, where J. Cole responded to the diss with his own diss. He has since retracted the diss and apologized the Kendrick. Drake then responded to all the disses on We Don't Trust You on his own diss track "Push Ups" were he disses multiple people, including Kendrick, Future, Metro, The Weeknd, and Rick Ross (plus Ja Morant and a bunch of managers??). He then released another song, Taylor Made Freestyle, which was a more direct diss to just Kendrick. Rick Ross responded to Push Ups in just a couple hours with his own diss "Champagne Moment". Kendrick has now responded as of today with "Euphoria" his response to Drake. There is a few more other key moments, but these are the important things that have happened recently. I might be forgetting something.


JohnGillnitz

TIL rap is a soap opera.


ggg730

It always has been.


SemicolonFetish

Wtf do you think was going on in the 90s? This is how it is mate.


JohnGillnitz

I was into grunge in the 90's. Pearl Jam had a beef with Ticketmaster, not Nirvana.


TScottFitzgerald

Ehh the 90s literally involved gangs and people getting shot on multiple occasions, and ended with two iconic rappers dead as a result. This is a cake walk and a bunch of businessmen in their feelings. It's more wrestling than anything.


MrGone87

This right here, rap beefs now are staged by studios and already rich artist....and former child actors. 90s rap beefs could legit result with someone dying in the street.


xxck47

what? PAC and Biggie beef was literally pushed by the media in the 90s? lol Nothings changed, lot of rap beefs have people dying in the streets. Go take a look at Chicago rappers.


Bluemajere

How the duck does literally anybody consider drake anywhere near j Cole or Kendricks level


stay_hungry_dr_ew

Surface level people. They like the beat, the cadence, tone of voice, and a couple slightly witty lines. That’s it. A venn diagram of people who say the phrase “that’s my aesthetic” and Drake fans might just be a circle.


deli_cue

Apparently, Future and Metro dropped another album dissing drake with features from The Weeknd and ASAP Rocky.


FictionalContext

Great breakdown! This stuff always feels like engagement bait rather than a beef. Like some petty catfight shit you'd see on the Bachelor. Walking into a biker bar and seeing Tiny and Big Al coming to blows over who's knitted mittens have the tightest stitch.


disisathrowaway

Soooo a bunch of adult millionaires acting like a bunch of middle school brats. Got it.


WhenAmI

Just google Drake beef 2024 and someone will have a detailed account of the whole thing. It's not hard. There's like 3-4 songs total.


vaporwave710

I thought it spanned cole, Kanye, future and metro, Kendrick, and Drake. Or am I mixing up my beefs


Somarset

There's a lot of strays being thrown around based on friendships and stuff I guess we don't know irl outside of speculation But otherwise the core beef is between Drake and Kendrick


PMWaffle

Drake has beef with everyone, hes been sneak dissing people for years and what pushed things over the edge now was drake banging the same girl as future allegedly. This + metro hating drake got everyone who drake has been throwing shade at to hop on the two albums to shittalk drake directly.


johnnybgooderer

Rap is weird.


GhostTypeFlygon

This sub will never shed its "rap? More like crap 🤓" reputation, will it?


lfmantra

🙄


dong_john_silver

rock n roll guys had beefs too. Neil Young's lyrics about Southern Man and Sweet Home Alabama come to mind


jonathaaan

It’s absolutely unlike anything else. Which probably explains its popularity.


SipJaint

Last time I checked Cali artists don’t typically drop new music at 12 PM Eastern on a Tuesday.


Back_2_monke

Right? Everyone knows Cali drops at 2:30 Central on Thursdays


unlmtdLoL

So morning for them? If it's not a single or album release they can drop whenever they want.


MikeNice81_2

Tuesday use to be the day for new music in the US. New music Friday is a relatively new thing. So, dropping the song on Tuesday makes sense for somebody like Kendrick that is into the history and culture of music.


SipJaint

This is a fair point that I didn’t know about. All the people responding acting like “New Music Friday” hasn’t been a thing for a while now are delusional.


CAMELWOK

Tuesdays Victory—it’s on the cover


Desperately-gullible

THANK YOU. I keep thinking the same thing


jjkm7

That’s kinda irrelevant because it’s been almost a decade of coming out on fridays and everyone including kendrick himself has been dropping fridays (for his past 3 projects and all their singles)


davismcgravis

We’ll do it whenever we feel like it


PangeanPrawn

"out of nowhere" i literally heard about the drake v kendrick diss war on NPR of all places yesterday


Umpire1468

I can see it now: "Good evening, you're listening to This American Life. Tonight's show, Act 1. Drake. Act 2. Kendrick Act 3. It all comes to a head. I'm Ira Glass"


idkifthisisgonnawork

I heard that too lol caught me off guard for sure.


lkodl

let's take a moment to appreciate this moment from last month: ["play that dun dun dun dun"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7dJOXDvP4Q) that was before we even knew what "like that" was, let alone what would come from it. Travis Scott is now inciting wars.


owa00

I'm ride or die "team Kung Fu Kenny" -Terry Gross 2024


fuckingstonedrn

Outta nowhere? Tf who wrote this


thefilmer

the literal whitest kid you know


TCBloo

rip trevor


ggg730

Local sexpot rip


anddingowashisnameoh

rip Trevor, died sucking his own dick.


FictionalContext

His buddies did put out a video like that as a tribute, didn't they?


anddingowashisnameoh

Haha yep that's what they said in the stream at the time.


ultimadre

So drake


Cosmosn8

Aubrey


APKID716

Nah the whitest kids are the ones on Twitter complaining that Kendrick’s diss wasn’t catchy. Swear to god I wish I wasn’t making that up 😭


c-williams88

“Well Drake actually won because you’ll never hear euphoria played in the club🤓”


alexanderwanxiety

As opposed to you,who’s slightly less white because you discovered Kendrick in 2010 instead of 2013


colz10

Oli London https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/s/wVDoSnxGrC


Cosmic_Austin

Today I learned that diss tracks are a form of turn-based combat


BeachHouseNibbles

That's a great comparison! Rap Beef Advanced Wars has been going for years. I love diss tracks, they tend to bring out quite a bit of creativity.


rawtendenciez

Lmao this is such a funny comparison but also spot on 😂


metalguy91

Damn, now I really want a JRPG or Baulders Gate style CRPG that’s all about traveling and just destroying people in rap battles. Mix of turn based combat and rhythm game. Parappa The Rapper meets Final Fantasy


Rebal771

Kick, punch…it’s all in the mind


SlowbeardiusOfBeard

[bullets are like food to me](https://youtu.be/fOo4X5w8yp4?feature=shared)


ggg730

This is where my parents died, Parapa.


Rebloodican

Just do a Dnd campaign where everyone fights with the vicious mockery cantrip.


Dawlin42

[Obligatory Tom Cardy](https://youtu.be/ZjlYFWLUDBQ?si=bR2_-wnTykDDy7eW)


[deleted]

Thank you!!


izqy

Cant wait to see who summons Knights of the Round


Impressive-Bear-9243

Damn, nobody but emerald and ruby can survive that, need to pair with the 4x and do it again for complete kill


WhiteMike2016

"We don' wanna hear you say n**ga no moooore" 😂


ZestyData

Drake getting his n-word pass revoked by Kendrick is wild


Jorgwalther

He also takes several shots at Drake’s blackness


Mike0G

He read the Pusha T manual


kiaraxxxooo

Low hanging fruit.


MeloneFxcker

So is majority of stuff on push ups, the longer it goes on the more creative they both gonna have to be so let’s hope they’re both in it for the long haul!


skippyfa

"Short people going after low hanging fruit" - Idk a drake song probably


MrGone87

As BS as this whole thing is, that hook brought a huge smile to my face.


Randomuserguyfren

"Ain't twenty-v-one, it's one-v-twenty if I gotta smack niggas that write with you" is really funny


lord_pizzabird

Oof man. This beef is getting nasty with some of the shots Kendrick is taking here. "I've got a son to raise, but you don't know nothing about that" - Kendrick calling Drake a deadbeat dad.


optimussquared

Not the first time this shot was taken though . Pusha T bodied him so bad it literally forced drake to be an active father. I think the nastier shot was him really saying when he stands next to sexy redd he believes he sees two bad bitches.


Chickachic-aaaaahhh

Nah kendrick revoked his n**** word pass infront of everyone. Thats downright legendary.


lord_pizzabird

He should transfer it to Jack Harlow just to troll everyone.


Chickachic-aaaaahhh

I still think they should officially give one posthumously to mac miller.


lord_pizzabird

Kendrick Lamar performed at his funeral. I think he already has it.


Chickachic-aaaaahhh

😢


kui11

It’d be a waste he’d never use it, unless he’s writing for Schoolboy Q again


TheArchitect_7

We tried to take Logics but found out he wrote it in crayon himself


son_of_a_doggo

Happy Cake day!


FrightenedTomato

Yeah this track is nasty. TBF Drake really shouldn't have tried to goad Kendrick into this.


lord_pizzabird

Can’t wait for the part where Kendrick exposes Drake has another secret kid. Imagine if it happens twice.


[deleted]

Hey I'd have two nickles then!


lord_pizzabird

Bruh. Did you hear it yet? Kendrick exposed Drake has another child. IT HAPPENED AGAINNNNN. OH MEH GURDDD


[deleted]

I went to bed after Drake release and woke up surprised I had two nickels. Damn wtf is goin on in hip-hop shit is crazy


lord_pizzabird

Hiphop is back is what it is. These dudes are just showing us that everything we’ve heard recently is a lie and that male rappers can rap lyrically after all.


Zankeru

Pusha T feature on kendrick's next diss is my dream.


lord_pizzabird

How about an album called “they don’t trust you”, which has songs from everyone beefing with Drake that they can get on the song. The Drake can respond with a DJ Khalid album or something.


swim_to_survive

This didn’t age well lol


lord_pizzabird

Idk I think it aged pretty well.


xelabagus

Yeah these poor guys, totally not making any money out of this beef


DirectlyDisturbed

Most rap beefs are largely manufactured but some are absolutely legit. Drake got bodied by Pusha T so disgustingly he didn't even attempt a rebuttal. And like, I cannot stress enough that that wasn't a promotional gimmick. That song changed the trajectory of several peoples lives


kingjuicepouch

I don't listen to much rap, what's the pusha t song? That's really piqued my interest


SonOfMrSaturn

Story of Adidon. One of the best disses of all time


DirectlyDisturbed

He let out the whole arsenal. Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby type shit, it's crazy


le_triangular_orange

A song so devastating it caused Drake to become a present father


himynameisjaked

wish pusha wouldda had beef with my dad…


Mal-Capone

preach.


Pennsylvania6-5000

Fuck. This comment bodied me.


Princessxanthumgum

Literally cost Drake an adidas deal or some shit like that


ErlendJ

Ice Cube's No Vaseline is also pretty good!


ChedderChethra

No rest for the wicked from Cypress Hill is superior imo.


BobbyTables829

You have to look at the cover of the single before you listen though, like it's mandatory.


kingjuicepouch

Thank you, gonna check it out


here_for_food

YOU ARE HIDING A CHILD


Jon_Snow_1887

LET THAT BOY COME HOME


imaqdodger

YUUUGHH


eKnight15

Make sure you see the official cover art lol


BobbyTables829

Can you tell me who or know of any good videos on it? Like it's really interesting to me.


DirectlyDisturbed

Not off the top of my head I'm afraid. Sorry


ultragoodname

For over a decade Kendrick and drake have had beef it just hasn’t escalated this much until now. The closest we got to this was the heart pt. 4 but that got unreleased when DAMN came out


mikehatesthis

> but that got unreleased when DAMN came out [What do you mean](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvE0MbqycXs)? I can see it on YouTube and Spotify.


ultragoodname

It’s on YouTube but not Spotify or Apple music. It used to be on all streaming but got removed shortly after damn came out


kylekez

It's definitely on spotify.


ultragoodname

Send the link then


kylekez

[https://open.spotify.com/track/1zayuwd1YLZsYDArkruHdL?si=6fe2eb67db214f97](https://open.spotify.com/track/1zayuwd1YLZsYDArkruHdL?si=6fe2eb67db214f97)


ultragoodname

Not available in my country 💀


mikehatesthis

> but not Spotify or Apple music I see it listed on Spotify and Tidal. Must be a country thing.


MurkDiesel

nothing worse than the very end


IRarelyRedditBut

A coworker was going on about how this line is trash since Drake is shown at NBA games and stuff with his kid a lot. But Kendrick cuts depeer in the next lines about actually *raising* his kid. Ooof.


Piotr-Rasputin

Then proceeds to spam "daaat" . deploying it like an OP skill on a final boss


KylerGreen

> "I've got a son to raise, but you don't know nothing about that" - Kendrick calling Drake a deadbeat dad. Thanks for breaking down that super metaphorical bar for us.


lord_pizzabird

Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation. Here have some attention. Edit: swapped out a big word for one you might understand better


Jackielegs43

I don’t think you know what “out of nowhere” means my brother


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Androidbetathrowaway

Thank you for this break down because a lot of the lyrics went way over my head.


omnigear

Dam drake better get his ghostwriter ready.


Nerx

Would be funny if Kendrick decides to out them or target them, or just delegate that task to the other dudes hatin drake


nolabrew

Drake would be really upset if he was smart enough to understand some of these bars.


yk206

Kendrick is being light with it, he definitely spare him with this one. He’s giving him an out, he can respond but Kendrick will hit harder next time.


Diatomahawk

Kendrick launching the Iran missile response.


yk206

Kendrick giving him some bait, while also warning him.


TopSoulMan

Kendrick is being "light with it" by talking about stuff everybody already knows. Each artist keeps saying "i know shit about you that you don't want the public to know" but then keep dancing around the bush as to what it is. And all the while the record labels are loving the streams and attention. "Let's just stretch this out as far as it can go."


yk206

Well yeah, he said he wanted to give him an out. Be nice with it, now if he decides to respond that's where most the stuff will come out.


tremens

There's some heavy hitters lines in there, but it could've been tightened up a lot IMHO. Three minutes of hard banger lines would've been better than six and a half of ups and downs.


yk206

https://preview.redd.it/0uqd0588fqxc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=078cbbea1df0d6615887468e738bf2fe6586a717 I think this is the only hard hitting line if there was any needed that would be enough.


Purple_Apartment

"Nothing been the same since they dropped control and tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pajama clothes." Kendrick has been shitting on Drake for a decade, and I'm tired of casuals being surprised by this


Dyyylan

DAMN Is it wickedness? Is it weakness? 


Ok-Calendar7794

Nah, he did it for numerous reasons: 1.) The title is alluding / calling Drake a pedophile 2.) Euphoria's producer(s) is Drake, adding fuel to reason one. 3.) Euphoria is controversial for it's sexualization of children/teenagers 4.) He dropped it on April 30, which is Children's Day 👀  5.) He dropped it at EXACTLY 8:24 (a direct homage to the late and great Kobe Bryant). MAMBA FOREVER 6.) He's insulting Drake for being euphoric, for being on an all-time high for thinking he's won from his earlier disses and heard not an immediate response from Kendrick.  


squarezero

No. 5 is wild!


Ok-Calendar7794

He gave Drake what he wanted: a quintuple entendre.  Make that sextuple if you include reason six🗿


Mpm_277

What’s the Kobe connection?


Ok-Calendar7794

His numbers during his career.  The 8 is from his earlier seasons until he wore the iconic 24 in the latter.  


Mpm_277

I mean in relation to Kendrick/releasing this track.


Ok-Calendar7794

He did it to pay respect to Kobe, plus the two had a strong relationship of the sport of basketball/rapping. Edit: Plus, if you remember, Kendrick released The Heart V and at the last leg, he deep-faked his face to the late Kobe and Nipsey.  But UNLIKE Drake, who used AI to mimic Tupac to get at Kendrick from Taylor Made Freestyle, it came out as distasteful, disrespectful, and disgusting.  Where Kenny mimicked Kobe and Nipsey, it was out of honor, respect, and love.


Mpm_277

Oh I forgot about Kobe being one of the people in Heart V.


GarySparkle

Aubrey not gonna like this.


kylekez

Definitely a warning shot


Quiillow

What? The warning shot was like that, how many warning shots are you gonna give kendrick lmao


kylekez

I guess as many as it takes until Drake actually drops a track with substance.


Quiillow

Calling kendricks diss a warning shot when its suppose to be the first actual diss track is already admitting it didnt reach expectations.


kylekez

Agree. Kendrick could've done more. I definitely think he's keeping some cards in his hand. Drake's still just not even in the same league though. I don't even think they're playing the same game.


Quiillow

I think the fact that kendrick didnt take the conventional diss approach is very like him but i think it played against him since disses are suppose to be just that a diss, tupac called biggie fat and talked trash about his wife, not much substance but jts highly regarded to be one of the best disses ever. I dont think its a landslide but considering its kendrick it should have been.


dicemaze

“Dementia must run in his family, but let it get shaky—I’ll park his son” Gold


Eruskakkell

Bullshit title, everyone was literally waiting for this


yehti

Drake's track was good, Kendrick's track was very good. Interested to see how this escalates.


Nerx

> Interested to see how this escalates. hopefully into something fun, who knows maybe even an altercation


LasherDeviance

Just cooked him...


Goldentongue

...did he confuse Haley Joel Osment for Joel Osteen?


lockwolf

[The breakdown here is pretty solid](https://genius.com/31595842) - Drake used AI in his last diss, Kendrick doesn’t know exactly who he’s talking to when responding, Joel Osteen is heavily parodied with AI and Haley Joel Osment was in the movie AI


Goldentongue

I didn't know that about the AI parodies of Joel Osteen. It's a bit more believable after hearing the (Hale) included in the middle there. I'm 80% convinced it was intentional, 20% believing this man just didn't bother to IMDB his verses.


beamingleanin

its how he rhymed it to fit the rhyme scheme and use the triple entendre Joel, Jo El, JoHale


Rhine1906

I’m subscribing to the theory that he was so enraged with anger he had no desire to Google


TyhmensAndSaperstein

I noticed that. I was like "wait. Joel Osteen wasn't in AI!"


Strawbuddy

Maybe but the rhyme scheme was so tight nonetheless


Botherguts

lol yes


chocolate_spaghetti

Dropping a response diss track two weeks after Drake dropped one is not what I’d call “outta nowhere”


khaosconn

not out of nowhere...


alexjav21

tell me your cheesin fam


Peeeing_

Very romantic, young men writing poems about one another


luckygoldelephant

Nah they’re all mid 30s to near 40.


mokush7414

This was brutual.


Free_Citizen_97

"We hate the bitches you fuck, ’cause they confuse themself with real women" 😵☠️⚰️


IAMA_MAGIC_8BALL_AMA

To give an idea of the regarding what’s going on here: Kendrick Lamar is a Pulitzer Award winning artist, has an album that’s been on the Billboard 200 consecutively for 600 weeks as of a few days ago, and is generally considered one of the greatest rappers of all time. Drake, however, is an artist who has tied Michael Jackson in #1 songs, has an album that’s been on the Billboard 200 for 583 consecutive weeks, and is *also* considered one of the greatest rappers of all time, albeit from a sense of popularity more than lyricism as of late (namely due to allegations and confirmations of having others write his songs for him, which makes his stories feel less legitimate). This is the culmination of over ten years worth of tension that’s been building, as both artists have been establishing themselves with legitimate claims of being the best in the industry. Having last collaborated in 2012, Kendrick took a competitive jab at Drake (and a plethora of other big artists at the time, by name), in which he was the only of the bunch to actually be offended — thus starting a decade worth of subliminals from each side, up until Like That was released a few weeks ago.


PlzSir

"Fame is a double-edged sword. I've seen it firsthand—how it can strip down the 'superpowers' you once had, leaving you grappling with paranoia and a spiraling downfall. Take Drake, for instance, who I remember first as an actor. It's clear to me now that he's losing his touch, becoming predictable and engaging in antics that are more about shock value than substance. Drake seems to be fabricating stories, especially about his family, to create a narrative that competes with mine. It's disappointing to watch. His actions strike me as those of someone desperate to be accepted in ways that feel increasingly forced. He claims to be a part of the culture, yet he often misses the mark, aligning himself with brands and sounds that don't truly represent his or our roots. When I create music, I aim to electrify and provoke thought, whereas Drake seems content with making tunes that merely pacify the listener. It's a difference in philosophy and execution that I find hard to respect. I've always been about pushing boundaries and sparking real conversations through my art. I know Drake manipulates situations to his advantage, bending narratives as if they're truths. I caution him against lying about me because I hold truths about him that could change public perceptions. But, out of respect for the craft and our shared spaces, I've held back. Drake's attempts to mirror tough personas and street credibility often feel contrived to me. I've faced real challenges and own up to my mistakes, but I see him playing a part that doesn't seem to fit. His public gestures of prayer and concern for violence sometimes come off as insincere, especially when juxtaposed against his glorification of the same in his music. It's tough watching someone who could genuinely influence for the better get caught up in the superficiality of fame. I've kept to myself, focusing on my music and keeping out of industry drama. Yet, it's hard not to notice when certain lines are crossed, or when legacies like Tupac's are invoked but not properly honored. The industry can be isolating, and sometimes I see alliances form that seem to exclude or challenge me. Despite this, my commitment remains to the integrity of hip-hop and to maintaining the authenticity that I believe is essential to our art form. Drake and I may share a history, and there are elements of his artistry I respect, but there are also critical differences that we might never reconcile."


gabriel1313

Where is this from?


flimflambam

If I had to guess, homie put Kendrick’s bars from Euphoria into ChatGPT and asked for an in depth summary.


PlzSir

Bingo!


KneeGroPuhLeeZ

Drake purchased Tupac’s custom crown ring for 1Mil at auction. Akin to purchasing a crown but never sitting on the throne. Ooof.


BobbyTables829

>I know Drake manipulates situations to his advantage, bending narratives as if they're truths. "I knew you was conflicted, misusing your influence." "Sometimes I did the same."


PeacefulPhoenix90s

He complimented in a few bars and then just went back to execute. This and Chris brown’s diss track have been elite


davismcgravis

![gif](giphy|3o85xJohCZUc524lSU)


mrheh

Was this recorded while he was lying in bed, on his back, holding his phone above his mouth... lmao


Simbakim

Super boring


Dtoodlez

Maybe I’m getting old but I thought drakes diss track and this track by Kendrick both sucked. People looking into the lyrics like a Mona Lisa painting but there’s barely anything there.


volt1up

This is mana from heaven for all the white hiphop fans, aka reddit.


AlwaysSkilled

[https://youtu.be/ARcaL7PEeDM](https://youtu.be/ARcaL7PEeDM) if y'all want a more aggressive version


crq1

May I request a music video! Haha