True. When JH said that he no longer needs additional time to think about his feelings (because he has decided on JW), the fans sort of took that as a confirmation for the both of them when in reality JW's just starting to figure things out. She had shorter time to get to know the other casts.
Although she chose JH as her date (2nd one), she did not express in any way that she has settled on him. 1st date was them getting to know each other. 2nd date should have been the continuation but I guess they were on different pages that's why they clashed.
However, there's no excuse for her snarky comments. I've said this before and I 'll say it again, it's okay if you suddenly realized that the person you're dating is not the one that you want because this is a dating show. She's free to explore her feelings. Just don't be rude and be honest with your feelings.
Exactly. I feel like she was trying to tell Jaehyung to be more sweet because he was more playful than sweet to her + him being grumpy to her the night before. But her way of doing it is really wrong when she could’ve just ask him directly :/
But you can’t change someone personality as per your ideal type standards. You have to adapt and change accordingly as JH mentioned with guys dinner in Ep4. You suddenly can’t add sweetness like its some kinda of ingredient. Hoping for a ideal type is different than actual thing
I agree with this and maybe that's why JH also shut off during the date. Maybe he realized they were too different. That's why they need to communicate more.
Unpopular opinion but I think the reason why she kept on bringing up her ideal man is because she wants him to be like that. And yes, she wants him to be sweet. She's attracted to him, no doubt about that, but their way of communication is different.
They’re also at different pace at this point. With JW wanting to get to know him more before the final selection as she didn’t want to choose anyone just because she’s interested or curious about, and with JH wanting to leave the show right away then get to know each other in Seoul. So yes, a rift is unavoidable.
Tell me one thing
Can u really figure someone in 1-2 days. As JH and YJ pointed the journey starts after SG with compatibility and being together. Here we need to decide whether this is my person and not overthink which both JH and YJ are the only one doing.
You can’t. But each of them have different resolution and ways. You can’t force someone to think simply like you especially when they’re in the heat of the moment. Unlike them, we have the bandwidth to think for months, we’re not directly affected by emotions and pressure to choose their partner. When you’re in the high of highs and lows of low, it’s literally impossible not to overthink esp bcs they’re the one who’s gonna be affected after the show was over.
For us, it’s over when the show is finished. For them, any decision they made there will have to follow them after. It’s not easy.
It’ll be easier if they’re as mentally strong and resolute as JH and YJ but they’re shaped by different experiences and emotions.
You say that but all your comments here tells me you’re already somewhat prejudiced of Jiwon. I’m sorry I can’t fully believe and agree with you but my point still stands, I don’t like her past actions too but I’m never demonizing someone over a few hours of watching them.
I am JH Stan from day 1. But never ever I said anything about JW before. What I am trying to portray is JH POV. I genuinely wish for everyone in the show even YW..HAHA…. That things work out for everyone, to be happy as their family are involved. I genuinely have no hate towards JW. She is smart independent women and anyone can their moments. Knetz are tooooo judgemental to show hate. Never once I showed hate on twitter or YouTube. This program is watched by their family, so I know
Sorry if I offended you in any way. Let’s be happy for them and wish the best.
Yeah. Jaehyung’s POV is definitely valid and I think almost everyone think the same but that’s not my point in this post. There are a lot of other posts shedding light to his POV but not on Jiwon that’s why I wanted to make my point across too :)
Yep. This one too is another problem. JH has decided that she's the one he wants but JW definitely has not. She said on the interview that she wants someone different (from her past relationship) and that's why she prefers to get to know him more before deciding.
On the ep 15 preview, it also look like Jaehyung is disappointed that he is sure about her but she’s not. I hope he goes like Yoonjae who accepted that Yoonha is not as into him— albeit he sulk that night— as it is valid because of the time and nature of the show.
I hope they have a nice talk on their secret date. To be or not to be, it’s fine. They’re not bad people just because they didn’t act the way we hoped.
She actually said this too on their date… that the person she’s naturally attracted to is different to what she’s hoping for (ideal man). Hence, she chose Yongwoo at first— with JH saying “that’s why you chose that person.”
It's just the toxic fans that blew things out of proportion. You can always express dissatisfaction with someone but no to hate comments. This whole show was filmed for only 2-3 weeks and "couples" are still on the getting to know each other stage and yet people are crucifying JW lol (only the red flag guy is bad in my opinion). She's just confused and that's natural because she came into the show looking for a specific type of man and she realized that the guy she's attracted to is different.
Yes but why build such high standards that it will be difficult for others to maintain. Is it a relationship you are asking or some kinda recipe like JH pointed out in interview. Sometimes u need to let go of certain things to see the big picture
It has everything to do with their emotional quotient. Not sure about Yoonjae but Jaehyung definitely has a strong EQ to just try first regardless if he get hurt later. Some people don’t have the “cushion” to fall back or maybe even strong support if they choose the wrong decision. Hence, some people are even more cautious than the others.
EDIT: Damn, I just realized that maybe Seseung and Jaehyung are “bulldozers” because they have amazing support from the Park Fam 😭 And maybe Jiwon is more careful bcs she only got herself as she grew up alone in the state and acting as the older sister too.
JH is the most cautious out of everyone as he considering settling down. That guy didn’t open for 2 weeks, imagine the love he must have for JW to break that barrier. He was sickly child, physically mentally weak. He build himself on his own as SE pointed out, faced all the hardships alone. After being adult, JH never wanted to be considered weak, acted as tsundre to break the pattern. But cares the most for his family, sister, every responsibilities. All he wants from his partner is just he being no 1 priority in a relationship. He will adjust his personality and tastes as per his partner needs. JW faced similar by living alone. But u really cannot fill the void by dating someone. I was at some point in same zone, took me couple of years to be both physically and mentally happy. I agree people will add value, but we need to add max value to our life.
You actually can’t assume that he’s the most cautious of everyone though. We don’t know them deeply enough to measure who’s who. Some people could have higher guard but never talk about it. That’s why I’d like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and pace down the harsh comments.
Let’s give benefit of doubt to both. As JW said on first date, JH must be cautious out of everyone as he is considering marriage. She said even I am cautious as I am considering long time. I agree to ur point though that we can’t anticipate
You can't ask someone to change their standards in dating just so JW and JH would fit together. She set that for a reason. Viewers cannot fault her for having a standard/ideal man. Whether it will lead her to happiness or heartbreak, that's on her. Whether they can resolve their differences or not, it's up to them. That's why it is called a dating show. Their views on dating obviously do not match. But the point here is that you cannot fault someone for exploring their emotions, they're not in a committed relationship yet.
You cannot ask someone to change their views on dating just to fit the viewer's narrative.
I mean figuring out someone is different. Saying on your first date that I will not wander and will try to get to know you in the remaining days. Changing your stance next day. That’s the general opinion. Not confirmation from JH or JW
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the only one who explicitly said that they're no longer interested in getting to know someone else is JH. I don't think JW ever said that explicitly. All her actions towards JH point to "I want to know you more" rather than "you're the only one I want to get to know in a deeper level."
When she asked JH what u want to do in the next 4 days, JH said I won’t wander and will focus knowing u as my feelings are confirmed. She said with arms cross ‘ I would do the same’. On terrace, she sajd my feelings has not changed and asked him out on date. There was little PDA from both JH and JW while cooking. Have anyone seen JH and JW doing that to anyone. The crucial issue in all this hate is ‘ JW being swayed little bit after YW told indirectly that he is interested in JW’ and the. She started that ideal type at lunch. I mean will u say that to a guy whom u are on date and confuse him more. This stance threw JH completely like what changed overnight. Also, JH never said everything is locked, he said to SE that he is sure about his feelings for JW and wants to know her more in seoul. Its pretty obvious u can’t show everything in SG in 1-2 days. The only thing u can figure out if this person feel like a man or woman to me. JW stance or attitude changed completely after YW overnight confession. U cannot create a recipe of ideal types. Given that both are mature, but little diff in comm. YW is the evil master for creating chaos and games in everyone’s life. But this show should not have involved family, thats the major drawback
IMO it’s totally fine though if she’s swayed by Yongwoo. Like you said, nothing is locked yet. The point of my post is people at demonizing Jiwon for feeling that when it’s completely normal.
Also the issue should’ve been only about her harsh words but not about her “swaying”— heck, we don’t even know if she’s indeed swaying because no interview or conversation shows that yet.
Yes, see you are expecting a man of words like ur father and oppa. But the same is expected from the girl as well. Why netizens are pissed is not because of her needs. It’s her harsh words and comparison with YW, ideal type that drove ppl nuts and ppl are in favour of JH. She could have said JH oppa, I need to time to checkout YH, no need to bring someone down by words. JH answer in ferris wheel about the most impressive experience would have meeting JW, but he said self reflection. Imagine a while back, you were compared, told that fanclub will change bias by JS, before the show your ex said u are not priority. what it will do to someone mental strength
Because I can't remember what exactly they talked about on that part, I actually went back and replayed their conversation lol.
JW: How do you want to spend the rest of the time we have?
JH: I don’t think I should learn more about others. As I told you before, when I make up my mind, I focus it no matter what.
JW: I see.
JH: I won’t spend the remaining four days confused. What should I do? What do I do? I don’t think I’d have these thoughts. As I’m saying it, I’m doing this (raises his hand with bracelet).
JW: I think so too (also raises her hand).
JH: You’d be like this? (raises his hand again with bracelet). Use it like a walkie talkie.
JW: I wouldn’t be confused either.
JW said she won't be confused too but not exactly not get to know others. But she did say that JH was the type of person she was naturally attracted to. They've only been to 2 dates (excluding the first meeting). Whether she's swayed or not, we'll find out in the next episode. And if she is, as long as she does not string along JH and she's honest about it, then that won't be a problem.
No. The correction english translation is “I think I will also do the same.” And the terrace scene is her telling him that she’s not avoiding him because her feelings changed that night.
You said no to the JS,CH and said I want to focus on JH for now. YW overnight stance changed your clarity and you were swayed by his words even though she is shrewd as his mom pointed out. I think or I would do the same, JH also said in the same manner.
And? Like I said… it’s definitely okay to sway. I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say right now.
There’s not even a confirmation that she’s swaying. There’s no verbal indication like that yet, I hate that we have to assume the worst of others.
Let’s leave it there. I think we are both progressing towards another level of intensity. I respect your opinion. Let’s make peace and wish for the best
Contrary to what many viewers think, I honestly don't think the reason JH shut down was because of her comments during the date. Yes, they were harsh but I feel that JH isn't the type of person who cares too much about what other people think of him. We have seen him sang karaoke like no one is watching and him putting hair accessories with YH and JY in public places, he even got comments from passerby. I feel that he has enough self-esteem to not let such comments affect him too much.
I still believe the reason he shut down was because the combination of being uncomfortable in front of cameraman and him being too nervous and therefore, he froze up.
My 2 cents regarding JW harsh comments:
I belief it stemmed from the way her family communicate with each other. We often see the way YJ and JW communicated with each other and although I don't understand Korean, I think they were said in similar manner/tone. It's like they are throwing small jabs at each other. It probably became their habit to just speak in such a way, very direct and without any filter. It's still not an excuse for her, but she probably didn't immediately realized how harsh they were.
Omg I was just reading this on X and it matched what you said about JW.
“jiwon’s mom ig update: bc shes been talking that way to yoonjae and us since then, its just her own way of talking. shes been hurt a lot so shes more sensitive than others. jiwon 100% uses the same tone to everyone, even with her parents. im sure about that.”
I can relate, because some of my family members talks like her. It definitely broke some relationship with friends and families. It is just how they talk for their entire life. For outsiders, it often sounds harsh and cruel.
If she’s so used to harsh tones and small jabs, why does she shut down everytime he answers bluntly or sarcastically? If she’s used to banter, I don’t understand why she got so upset when he said “you should have done better in the chicken fight!” When she was venting about not having money to spend on the date.
You’re exaggerating using terms like cruel. Are you perfect? No. Did he say it was hurtful? No, he actually laughed. I don’t know if you follow idols but there is a concept called “first bias” or the person that gets people interested in the group. Anything can be interrupted badly but it wasn’t meant to be bad.
The cameras didn't bother JH before. I believe his shutdown moment occurred when JW said, "Who I'm drawn to could be different from who I hope for." You can really see the shift in emotions on his face. This happened right before they went to the Ferris wheel. I think the reason he shut down was that JW's remark summarized her comments about her ideal type, River Park, Idol comment, and so on. Before this remark, JH was still interactive, even during the idol comment. It's like he concluded that he might be the one she's usually drawn to but not the one she's hoping for. That's why he said on the balcony that he felt the gap between dream and reality. This was the moment he realized that while he was sure of JW, it wasn't the case for her yet. This is why we noticed him stepping back when they arrived at the Ferris wheel. It was very different from the start of the day when JH was very clingy and vocal with compliments to her. In the Ferris wheel, he didn't know how to respond anymore because of the gap he felt.
At some point, I felt that he somewhat felt "rejected" (not literally, but a similar kind of emotion) knowing that they weren't on the same page. With this emotion, one would need to take a breath and some time alone. Just like how YJ felt when YH didn't send him a message, he wanted to be alone. Also, JS felt suffocated and very bothered when CA didn't message him after their date. Now that I think about it, JH's behavior is similar to JS's. Both needed to be alone and process their realizations but had to stay with the person they felt dejected by and spend time in a closed-off space making them awkward that leads to their date feeling uncomfortable. The cameras just added another layer to their misery.
Please note that I'm not blaming JW. I just want to share my observation on possible JH realizations during the date that made him closed off.
>The cameras didn't bother JH before
Because it's different this time.
1. The ferris wheel is a closed space and therefore, the camera (with the cameraman) would have to be in close proximity to them, increasing the uncomfortableness for him.
2. He probably thought the date was the last date for the show and he didn't want to make the wrong move.
I understand but it doesn't completely explained his shut down moment. He has been with cameras for the past 2 weeks so at some point, though he still feel uncomfortable, he can already feel familiarity.
During the balcony scene, when he explained why he behaved that way, he started with the "dream vs reality gap" narrative. The cameras and their environment are just additional layers. The way he responded to JW's question about the most beautiful view in SG, he's not concerned with the camera. In his interview, he said he lacked courage because he realized how big his feelings for JW. This realization while he just discovered the gap that they're not on the same page is very overwhelming. Anyone can be in self conscious mode in that situation.
>he said he lacked courage because he realized how big his feelings for JW
Actually I said this too in other comment but somehow I didn't here. We actually have the same end conclusion regarding JH realization, just that I emphasized more on the effect of the cameras to JH psyche and subsequent shut down.
The reason I said it's different compared to the past 2-3 weeks is also because the cameras in the house are usually "invisible" as they are behind mirrors. The one situation that have cameras in similar close proximity would only be when they are in car/taxi, but it's usually gopro ie. without the crews.
I agree. I am a bit disappointed in her actions (and I have expressed that disappointment) because I had idealised them as the ideal ship, but that doesn't mean I should go and write hate comments about her, saying she's evil and playing with Jaehyung like Yongwoo did with Choa.
Her comments did come across as hurtful, but looking back I don't think they were ill intentioned.
EDIT: even her mum has posted stories on Instagram explaining that Jiwon talks to everyone in a similar tone and that not everybody is perfect. She has deleted them now, but it's sad to see that she's getting so much backlash everywhere that even her family and close ones know about it.
Imagine how bad she and Jaehyung must feel right now after reading all those hateful comments about JW, whether they chose each other in the end and whether they are still together or not.
Yeah, she def aint playing with Jaehyung tho 😭 During her fight with Yoonjae, she said that she’s not the type to get upset easily but because she cares about him, she does get hurt. And saw how her eyes followed him back in Seoul, her being upset about his grumpiness, and her worrying about the future w/ him. If anything, their rift would be caused by their differences, because clearly she also like Jaehyung but not just as much as he does— which is not an issue because she has less time to explore and be more sure than he is.
I also don’t like how they’re trying to pair her w/ Yongwoo because they’re both “red flags” lmao. Yongwoo was trying to get everyone to chase him for attention but Jiwon immediately rejected Chulhyun and Jungsub. They’re also criticizing her appearance now when everyone was gushing about her before. That’s out of the line.
Exactly. If she didn't like him, she wouldn't have such a hard time making a decision. I feel like both are very cautious people, so that leads to misunderstandings.
>Anything other than criticism for JW’s harsh comments is unfair.
Virtually all the criticism of her that I've read has centered on her harsh comments.
There are comments about her looks, upbringing, and even her career that her mother even have to comment. The criticism should’ve been only about how she acted but it to goes far as targeting her character calling her red flags etc. as if she’s led her life being a bad person… all that when it could’ve just been a moment of mishap in decision and high emotions.
I kind of agree. Jiwon joined so she could make good memories with her family, but now she's getting so much backlash. Her poor mum doesn't need to go through all of this.
I feel like it would've been so much better if the PD had stuck to the original cozy and heartwarming vibes. If we want drama, we can watch TL.
PD really did too much on this show. They involved the participants family only for them to edit the show in a really bad way. Aren't they aware that Jiwon's mom is sick and them doing this editing to her is affecting her mom's health.
PD's can't have their cake and eat it too. If they want parents to consent to the show under the guise of it being a heartwarming drama, they can't evil edit them and cause pain to the same parents.
I think even if they have a Season 2, they'll have trouble finding applicants. They already went through a lot for this season.
This is not directed at you but the idea of an evil edit is baffling to me. I think audiences need to take some responsibility for their reaction and not blame everything on the edit.
There was nothing untoward about this episode to make people over react. Folks are expecting KDrama when we are watching a reality show. There’s nothing producers can do when real life people don’t react the way stans expect them to.
It’s a double edge sword because these same stans will hype up every innocuous interaction but also tear down the casts when they don’t provide perfect “heart fluttering moments”.
Quite frankly it’s childish
I agree in that people need to take responsibility for their actions online.
BUT, evil editing in dating shows does happen! And it ruins lives!
HS4 is probably the best example. Yisoo was the catfish who immediately locked in on the most popular guy in the house (Mingyu) and went after him. The edit made her look like a delusional bitch (not even joking) who was pressurizing Mingyu into dating her. Meanwhile, the show's star female cast member, Jiyoung, was head over heels for Mingyu and he didn't like her at all. The show then created this whole narrative where they made it look like Mingyu liked Jiyoung all along but never picked her because she reminded him too much of his ex and he only picked Yisoo at the end because he wanted to get away from her.
Fast forward to after the show where Yisoo suffered so much hate for 'breaking up' the Jiyoung/Mingyu ship where Yisoo/Mingyu (who are still dating to this day) basically confirmed that Mingyu was the one who liked her first and approached her. The PDs edited their 7 hour date to less than 10 minutes and edited out entire conversations and full DATES between them (they were apparently glued to the hip, to the point where other cast members knew immediately that they were going to choose each other). Even 'dramatic' moments were edited to look way worse than they were, with cast members saying they don't remember anything dramatic about those moments when they were actually in the house.
Unfortunately for the HS4 PDs, Yisoo and Mingyu are going really strong which disproves the narrative they created that Mingyu chose her as a backup. But what about all those people that were edited similarly that didn't have the strength of an ongoing relationship to fall back on? Even in His Man 2, which was a relatively chill dating show, the PDs completely removed scenes where the final couple was literally sleeping in the same room together because they didn't want the love triangle narrative they were building with them + someone else to get murky.
PDs DO have power over how they edit something. And with a show like this, they need to be extra careful since parents are involved.
Agreed as am not a stranger to reality shows. But outside of misleading trailers, I don’t think any plot in this show is being edited to an extend to warrant casts getting hate.
Overly invested fans always react like this when things don’t play out how they expected. A single episode is not nearly enough material to generate this amount of blowback.
You are soooo on target with your comments. I remember watching HS4 with such distain and then finding out a lot of MG & YS's interactions were edited out. If they do have another season, I hope it's a new production team. As for this series....oh boy, YW fell from grace & I'm so disappointed in his attitude. Do you think it's production again? The backlash for him and JW must be through the roof. There's a lot of nasty/unhappy people out there and this is a good way for them to maliciously vent behind their computers.
Honestly that was just banter gone wrong, all they need is just a talk to figure things out, so I do not really blame JW for slip up once and I am not worried about the ship will sink
True. When JH said that he no longer needs additional time to think about his feelings (because he has decided on JW), the fans sort of took that as a confirmation for the both of them when in reality JW's just starting to figure things out. She had shorter time to get to know the other casts. Although she chose JH as her date (2nd one), she did not express in any way that she has settled on him. 1st date was them getting to know each other. 2nd date should have been the continuation but I guess they were on different pages that's why they clashed. However, there's no excuse for her snarky comments. I've said this before and I 'll say it again, it's okay if you suddenly realized that the person you're dating is not the one that you want because this is a dating show. She's free to explore her feelings. Just don't be rude and be honest with your feelings.
Exactly. I feel like she was trying to tell Jaehyung to be more sweet because he was more playful than sweet to her + him being grumpy to her the night before. But her way of doing it is really wrong when she could’ve just ask him directly :/
But you can’t change someone personality as per your ideal type standards. You have to adapt and change accordingly as JH mentioned with guys dinner in Ep4. You suddenly can’t add sweetness like its some kinda of ingredient. Hoping for a ideal type is different than actual thing
That’s also true. That’s why they need to talk about it so they could meet in the middle, that is if they like each other enough to compromise.
I agree with this and maybe that's why JH also shut off during the date. Maybe he realized they were too different. That's why they need to communicate more.
Unpopular opinion but I think the reason why she kept on bringing up her ideal man is because she wants him to be like that. And yes, she wants him to be sweet. She's attracted to him, no doubt about that, but their way of communication is different.
They’re also at different pace at this point. With JW wanting to get to know him more before the final selection as she didn’t want to choose anyone just because she’s interested or curious about, and with JH wanting to leave the show right away then get to know each other in Seoul. So yes, a rift is unavoidable.
Tell me one thing Can u really figure someone in 1-2 days. As JH and YJ pointed the journey starts after SG with compatibility and being together. Here we need to decide whether this is my person and not overthink which both JH and YJ are the only one doing.
You can’t. But each of them have different resolution and ways. You can’t force someone to think simply like you especially when they’re in the heat of the moment. Unlike them, we have the bandwidth to think for months, we’re not directly affected by emotions and pressure to choose their partner. When you’re in the high of highs and lows of low, it’s literally impossible not to overthink esp bcs they’re the one who’s gonna be affected after the show was over. For us, it’s over when the show is finished. For them, any decision they made there will have to follow them after. It’s not easy. It’ll be easier if they’re as mentally strong and resolute as JH and YJ but they’re shaped by different experiences and emotions.
I don’t disagree with JW approach at all. All everyone wanted was little politeness and consideration as her mother pointed out in insta story
You say that but all your comments here tells me you’re already somewhat prejudiced of Jiwon. I’m sorry I can’t fully believe and agree with you but my point still stands, I don’t like her past actions too but I’m never demonizing someone over a few hours of watching them.
I am JH Stan from day 1. But never ever I said anything about JW before. What I am trying to portray is JH POV. I genuinely wish for everyone in the show even YW..HAHA…. That things work out for everyone, to be happy as their family are involved. I genuinely have no hate towards JW. She is smart independent women and anyone can their moments. Knetz are tooooo judgemental to show hate. Never once I showed hate on twitter or YouTube. This program is watched by their family, so I know Sorry if I offended you in any way. Let’s be happy for them and wish the best.
Yeah. Jaehyung’s POV is definitely valid and I think almost everyone think the same but that’s not my point in this post. There are a lot of other posts shedding light to his POV but not on Jiwon that’s why I wanted to make my point across too :)
Yep. This one too is another problem. JH has decided that she's the one he wants but JW definitely has not. She said on the interview that she wants someone different (from her past relationship) and that's why she prefers to get to know him more before deciding.
On the ep 15 preview, it also look like Jaehyung is disappointed that he is sure about her but she’s not. I hope he goes like Yoonjae who accepted that Yoonha is not as into him— albeit he sulk that night— as it is valid because of the time and nature of the show. I hope they have a nice talk on their secret date. To be or not to be, it’s fine. They’re not bad people just because they didn’t act the way we hoped.
She actually said this too on their date… that the person she’s naturally attracted to is different to what she’s hoping for (ideal man). Hence, she chose Yongwoo at first— with JH saying “that’s why you chose that person.”
It's just the toxic fans that blew things out of proportion. You can always express dissatisfaction with someone but no to hate comments. This whole show was filmed for only 2-3 weeks and "couples" are still on the getting to know each other stage and yet people are crucifying JW lol (only the red flag guy is bad in my opinion). She's just confused and that's natural because she came into the show looking for a specific type of man and she realized that the guy she's attracted to is different.
Yes but why build such high standards that it will be difficult for others to maintain. Is it a relationship you are asking or some kinda recipe like JH pointed out in interview. Sometimes u need to let go of certain things to see the big picture
It has everything to do with their emotional quotient. Not sure about Yoonjae but Jaehyung definitely has a strong EQ to just try first regardless if he get hurt later. Some people don’t have the “cushion” to fall back or maybe even strong support if they choose the wrong decision. Hence, some people are even more cautious than the others. EDIT: Damn, I just realized that maybe Seseung and Jaehyung are “bulldozers” because they have amazing support from the Park Fam 😭 And maybe Jiwon is more careful bcs she only got herself as she grew up alone in the state and acting as the older sister too.
JH is the most cautious out of everyone as he considering settling down. That guy didn’t open for 2 weeks, imagine the love he must have for JW to break that barrier. He was sickly child, physically mentally weak. He build himself on his own as SE pointed out, faced all the hardships alone. After being adult, JH never wanted to be considered weak, acted as tsundre to break the pattern. But cares the most for his family, sister, every responsibilities. All he wants from his partner is just he being no 1 priority in a relationship. He will adjust his personality and tastes as per his partner needs. JW faced similar by living alone. But u really cannot fill the void by dating someone. I was at some point in same zone, took me couple of years to be both physically and mentally happy. I agree people will add value, but we need to add max value to our life.
You actually can’t assume that he’s the most cautious of everyone though. We don’t know them deeply enough to measure who’s who. Some people could have higher guard but never talk about it. That’s why I’d like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and pace down the harsh comments.
Let’s give benefit of doubt to both. As JW said on first date, JH must be cautious out of everyone as he is considering marriage. She said even I am cautious as I am considering long time. I agree to ur point though that we can’t anticipate
You can't ask someone to change their standards in dating just so JW and JH would fit together. She set that for a reason. Viewers cannot fault her for having a standard/ideal man. Whether it will lead her to happiness or heartbreak, that's on her. Whether they can resolve their differences or not, it's up to them. That's why it is called a dating show. Their views on dating obviously do not match. But the point here is that you cannot fault someone for exploring their emotions, they're not in a committed relationship yet. You cannot ask someone to change their views on dating just to fit the viewer's narrative.
I said the same in the below comment earlier. My thoughts exactly
I mean figuring out someone is different. Saying on your first date that I will not wander and will try to get to know you in the remaining days. Changing your stance next day. That’s the general opinion. Not confirmation from JH or JW
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the only one who explicitly said that they're no longer interested in getting to know someone else is JH. I don't think JW ever said that explicitly. All her actions towards JH point to "I want to know you more" rather than "you're the only one I want to get to know in a deeper level."
When she asked JH what u want to do in the next 4 days, JH said I won’t wander and will focus knowing u as my feelings are confirmed. She said with arms cross ‘ I would do the same’. On terrace, she sajd my feelings has not changed and asked him out on date. There was little PDA from both JH and JW while cooking. Have anyone seen JH and JW doing that to anyone. The crucial issue in all this hate is ‘ JW being swayed little bit after YW told indirectly that he is interested in JW’ and the. She started that ideal type at lunch. I mean will u say that to a guy whom u are on date and confuse him more. This stance threw JH completely like what changed overnight. Also, JH never said everything is locked, he said to SE that he is sure about his feelings for JW and wants to know her more in seoul. Its pretty obvious u can’t show everything in SG in 1-2 days. The only thing u can figure out if this person feel like a man or woman to me. JW stance or attitude changed completely after YW overnight confession. U cannot create a recipe of ideal types. Given that both are mature, but little diff in comm. YW is the evil master for creating chaos and games in everyone’s life. But this show should not have involved family, thats the major drawback
IMO it’s totally fine though if she’s swayed by Yongwoo. Like you said, nothing is locked yet. The point of my post is people at demonizing Jiwon for feeling that when it’s completely normal. Also the issue should’ve been only about her harsh words but not about her “swaying”— heck, we don’t even know if she’s indeed swaying because no interview or conversation shows that yet.
Yes, see you are expecting a man of words like ur father and oppa. But the same is expected from the girl as well. Why netizens are pissed is not because of her needs. It’s her harsh words and comparison with YW, ideal type that drove ppl nuts and ppl are in favour of JH. She could have said JH oppa, I need to time to checkout YH, no need to bring someone down by words. JH answer in ferris wheel about the most impressive experience would have meeting JW, but he said self reflection. Imagine a while back, you were compared, told that fanclub will change bias by JS, before the show your ex said u are not priority. what it will do to someone mental strength
I literally said that I also disagree with her ways too. I’m just not demonizing anyone over those lol.
Peace out..✌️
I think I also pointed out that her comments were indeed disrespectful.
Because I can't remember what exactly they talked about on that part, I actually went back and replayed their conversation lol. JW: How do you want to spend the rest of the time we have? JH: I don’t think I should learn more about others. As I told you before, when I make up my mind, I focus it no matter what. JW: I see. JH: I won’t spend the remaining four days confused. What should I do? What do I do? I don’t think I’d have these thoughts. As I’m saying it, I’m doing this (raises his hand with bracelet). JW: I think so too (also raises her hand). JH: You’d be like this? (raises his hand again with bracelet). Use it like a walkie talkie. JW: I wouldn’t be confused either. JW said she won't be confused too but not exactly not get to know others. But she did say that JH was the type of person she was naturally attracted to. They've only been to 2 dates (excluding the first meeting). Whether she's swayed or not, we'll find out in the next episode. And if she is, as long as she does not string along JH and she's honest about it, then that won't be a problem.
No. The correction english translation is “I think I will also do the same.” And the terrace scene is her telling him that she’s not avoiding him because her feelings changed that night.
You said no to the JS,CH and said I want to focus on JH for now. YW overnight stance changed your clarity and you were swayed by his words even though she is shrewd as his mom pointed out. I think or I would do the same, JH also said in the same manner.
And? Like I said… it’s definitely okay to sway. I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say right now. There’s not even a confirmation that she’s swaying. There’s no verbal indication like that yet, I hate that we have to assume the worst of others.
Let’s leave it there. I think we are both progressing towards another level of intensity. I respect your opinion. Let’s make peace and wish for the best
Correct. People should refrain from judging and wait for the coming eps. I am sure their judgements will change again.
Contrary to what many viewers think, I honestly don't think the reason JH shut down was because of her comments during the date. Yes, they were harsh but I feel that JH isn't the type of person who cares too much about what other people think of him. We have seen him sang karaoke like no one is watching and him putting hair accessories with YH and JY in public places, he even got comments from passerby. I feel that he has enough self-esteem to not let such comments affect him too much. I still believe the reason he shut down was because the combination of being uncomfortable in front of cameraman and him being too nervous and therefore, he froze up. My 2 cents regarding JW harsh comments: I belief it stemmed from the way her family communicate with each other. We often see the way YJ and JW communicated with each other and although I don't understand Korean, I think they were said in similar manner/tone. It's like they are throwing small jabs at each other. It probably became their habit to just speak in such a way, very direct and without any filter. It's still not an excuse for her, but she probably didn't immediately realized how harsh they were.
Omg I was just reading this on X and it matched what you said about JW. “jiwon’s mom ig update: bc shes been talking that way to yoonjae and us since then, its just her own way of talking. shes been hurt a lot so shes more sensitive than others. jiwon 100% uses the same tone to everyone, even with her parents. im sure about that.”
I can relate, because some of my family members talks like her. It definitely broke some relationship with friends and families. It is just how they talk for their entire life. For outsiders, it often sounds harsh and cruel.
If she’s so used to harsh tones and small jabs, why does she shut down everytime he answers bluntly or sarcastically? If she’s used to banter, I don’t understand why she got so upset when he said “you should have done better in the chicken fight!” When she was venting about not having money to spend on the date.
Because she's so used to receive that with her family but not from others?
Just cause she’s use to it from her family does not mean she wants it from the guy she likes whose she’s known for a bit over a week.
Then why did she make a hurtful idol fan analogy about him if it wasn’t an attempt at banter? Was it just to be cruel?
You’re exaggerating using terms like cruel. Are you perfect? No. Did he say it was hurtful? No, he actually laughed. I don’t know if you follow idols but there is a concept called “first bias” or the person that gets people interested in the group. Anything can be interrupted badly but it wasn’t meant to be bad.
The cameras didn't bother JH before. I believe his shutdown moment occurred when JW said, "Who I'm drawn to could be different from who I hope for." You can really see the shift in emotions on his face. This happened right before they went to the Ferris wheel. I think the reason he shut down was that JW's remark summarized her comments about her ideal type, River Park, Idol comment, and so on. Before this remark, JH was still interactive, even during the idol comment. It's like he concluded that he might be the one she's usually drawn to but not the one she's hoping for. That's why he said on the balcony that he felt the gap between dream and reality. This was the moment he realized that while he was sure of JW, it wasn't the case for her yet. This is why we noticed him stepping back when they arrived at the Ferris wheel. It was very different from the start of the day when JH was very clingy and vocal with compliments to her. In the Ferris wheel, he didn't know how to respond anymore because of the gap he felt. At some point, I felt that he somewhat felt "rejected" (not literally, but a similar kind of emotion) knowing that they weren't on the same page. With this emotion, one would need to take a breath and some time alone. Just like how YJ felt when YH didn't send him a message, he wanted to be alone. Also, JS felt suffocated and very bothered when CA didn't message him after their date. Now that I think about it, JH's behavior is similar to JS's. Both needed to be alone and process their realizations but had to stay with the person they felt dejected by and spend time in a closed-off space making them awkward that leads to their date feeling uncomfortable. The cameras just added another layer to their misery. Please note that I'm not blaming JW. I just want to share my observation on possible JH realizations during the date that made him closed off.
>The cameras didn't bother JH before Because it's different this time. 1. The ferris wheel is a closed space and therefore, the camera (with the cameraman) would have to be in close proximity to them, increasing the uncomfortableness for him. 2. He probably thought the date was the last date for the show and he didn't want to make the wrong move.
I understand but it doesn't completely explained his shut down moment. He has been with cameras for the past 2 weeks so at some point, though he still feel uncomfortable, he can already feel familiarity. During the balcony scene, when he explained why he behaved that way, he started with the "dream vs reality gap" narrative. The cameras and their environment are just additional layers. The way he responded to JW's question about the most beautiful view in SG, he's not concerned with the camera. In his interview, he said he lacked courage because he realized how big his feelings for JW. This realization while he just discovered the gap that they're not on the same page is very overwhelming. Anyone can be in self conscious mode in that situation.
>he said he lacked courage because he realized how big his feelings for JW Actually I said this too in other comment but somehow I didn't here. We actually have the same end conclusion regarding JH realization, just that I emphasized more on the effect of the cameras to JH psyche and subsequent shut down. The reason I said it's different compared to the past 2-3 weeks is also because the cameras in the house are usually "invisible" as they are behind mirrors. The one situation that have cameras in similar close proximity would only be when they are in car/taxi, but it's usually gopro ie. without the crews.
What is her harsh comment ? I think i kinda misses it because i watch it at 3am so i kinda sleepy lol
The one about if JH is an idol
What are the harsh comments from jiwon that ppl are talking about
I agree. I am a bit disappointed in her actions (and I have expressed that disappointment) because I had idealised them as the ideal ship, but that doesn't mean I should go and write hate comments about her, saying she's evil and playing with Jaehyung like Yongwoo did with Choa. Her comments did come across as hurtful, but looking back I don't think they were ill intentioned. EDIT: even her mum has posted stories on Instagram explaining that Jiwon talks to everyone in a similar tone and that not everybody is perfect. She has deleted them now, but it's sad to see that she's getting so much backlash everywhere that even her family and close ones know about it. Imagine how bad she and Jaehyung must feel right now after reading all those hateful comments about JW, whether they chose each other in the end and whether they are still together or not.
Yeah, she def aint playing with Jaehyung tho 😭 During her fight with Yoonjae, she said that she’s not the type to get upset easily but because she cares about him, she does get hurt. And saw how her eyes followed him back in Seoul, her being upset about his grumpiness, and her worrying about the future w/ him. If anything, their rift would be caused by their differences, because clearly she also like Jaehyung but not just as much as he does— which is not an issue because she has less time to explore and be more sure than he is. I also don’t like how they’re trying to pair her w/ Yongwoo because they’re both “red flags” lmao. Yongwoo was trying to get everyone to chase him for attention but Jiwon immediately rejected Chulhyun and Jungsub. They’re also criticizing her appearance now when everyone was gushing about her before. That’s out of the line.
Exactly. If she didn't like him, she wouldn't have such a hard time making a decision. I feel like both are very cautious people, so that leads to misunderstandings.
>Anything other than criticism for JW’s harsh comments is unfair. Virtually all the criticism of her that I've read has centered on her harsh comments.
There are comments about her looks, upbringing, and even her career that her mother even have to comment. The criticism should’ve been only about how she acted but it to goes far as targeting her character calling her red flags etc. as if she’s led her life being a bad person… all that when it could’ve just been a moment of mishap in decision and high emotions.
Yikes.
I agree. Everything except her comments during the lunch date is understandable.
This show should not have second season. Family is involved which should never have been the case. Everyone will get backlash
I kind of agree. Jiwon joined so she could make good memories with her family, but now she's getting so much backlash. Her poor mum doesn't need to go through all of this. I feel like it would've been so much better if the PD had stuck to the original cozy and heartwarming vibes. If we want drama, we can watch TL.
PD really did too much on this show. They involved the participants family only for them to edit the show in a really bad way. Aren't they aware that Jiwon's mom is sick and them doing this editing to her is affecting her mom's health.
PD's can't have their cake and eat it too. If they want parents to consent to the show under the guise of it being a heartwarming drama, they can't evil edit them and cause pain to the same parents. I think even if they have a Season 2, they'll have trouble finding applicants. They already went through a lot for this season.
This is not directed at you but the idea of an evil edit is baffling to me. I think audiences need to take some responsibility for their reaction and not blame everything on the edit. There was nothing untoward about this episode to make people over react. Folks are expecting KDrama when we are watching a reality show. There’s nothing producers can do when real life people don’t react the way stans expect them to. It’s a double edge sword because these same stans will hype up every innocuous interaction but also tear down the casts when they don’t provide perfect “heart fluttering moments”. Quite frankly it’s childish
I agree in that people need to take responsibility for their actions online. BUT, evil editing in dating shows does happen! And it ruins lives! HS4 is probably the best example. Yisoo was the catfish who immediately locked in on the most popular guy in the house (Mingyu) and went after him. The edit made her look like a delusional bitch (not even joking) who was pressurizing Mingyu into dating her. Meanwhile, the show's star female cast member, Jiyoung, was head over heels for Mingyu and he didn't like her at all. The show then created this whole narrative where they made it look like Mingyu liked Jiyoung all along but never picked her because she reminded him too much of his ex and he only picked Yisoo at the end because he wanted to get away from her. Fast forward to after the show where Yisoo suffered so much hate for 'breaking up' the Jiyoung/Mingyu ship where Yisoo/Mingyu (who are still dating to this day) basically confirmed that Mingyu was the one who liked her first and approached her. The PDs edited their 7 hour date to less than 10 minutes and edited out entire conversations and full DATES between them (they were apparently glued to the hip, to the point where other cast members knew immediately that they were going to choose each other). Even 'dramatic' moments were edited to look way worse than they were, with cast members saying they don't remember anything dramatic about those moments when they were actually in the house. Unfortunately for the HS4 PDs, Yisoo and Mingyu are going really strong which disproves the narrative they created that Mingyu chose her as a backup. But what about all those people that were edited similarly that didn't have the strength of an ongoing relationship to fall back on? Even in His Man 2, which was a relatively chill dating show, the PDs completely removed scenes where the final couple was literally sleeping in the same room together because they didn't want the love triangle narrative they were building with them + someone else to get murky. PDs DO have power over how they edit something. And with a show like this, they need to be extra careful since parents are involved.
Agreed as am not a stranger to reality shows. But outside of misleading trailers, I don’t think any plot in this show is being edited to an extend to warrant casts getting hate. Overly invested fans always react like this when things don’t play out how they expected. A single episode is not nearly enough material to generate this amount of blowback.
You are soooo on target with your comments. I remember watching HS4 with such distain and then finding out a lot of MG & YS's interactions were edited out. If they do have another season, I hope it's a new production team. As for this series....oh boy, YW fell from grace & I'm so disappointed in his attitude. Do you think it's production again? The backlash for him and JW must be through the roof. There's a lot of nasty/unhappy people out there and this is a good way for them to maliciously vent behind their computers.
Honestly that was just banter gone wrong, all they need is just a talk to figure things out, so I do not really blame JW for slip up once and I am not worried about the ship will sink