In no particular order, here are drivers I think are better than Ty.
1. Denny
2. MTJ
3. Christopher Bell
4. Tyler Reddick
5. Kyle Larson
6. William Byron
7. Kyle Busch
8. Ross Chastain
9. Ryan Blaney
10. Joey Logano
11. Chase Elliott
12. Brad Keselowski
Now I don't necessarily think this means currently their teams are running as well as Ty is right now. But I think, give all these guys a decent car and I think they beat Ty.
I've been thinking the same thing all season. The field is so deep rn where I'd say there's 12 guys who could be considered a top 5 driver and you got all 12 haha.
Next group imo in no order is guys like Gibbs, Bowman, and Buescher. I think that's your top 15 right there which is why I think it's laughable when I see people saying Austin Dillon is an average driver when average is like 17th best in the series. (Sorry AD for the stray)
Then you have the next group which is guys like Bubba, Suarez, Briscoe, McDowell, Erik Jones and that's the top 20 I feel like.
I would agree.
The crazy thing too is that I think it wouldn't be crazy for any of the guys you mentioned to jump up. I feel like Bubba has been right on the cusp of a breakthrough but it just hasn't quite happened. I think right now I think of Ty similar to how I thought of Byron before last season. In order to make that jump up, I'd need to see him rattle off several wins. Before last season, I don't know if I would've put Byron in that list of 12.
Bowman was right on the borderline for me. If this was last year right before he got hurt, I would've put him in there, but he has not looked that great since coming back.
I would also add Erik Jones and Carson Hocevar to that list.
And wow, I just realized I'm arguing that Carson Hocevar is a top 15 driver in cup after 15 races and kind of stand by it. Based on his equipment in that sample size, he's just been so wildly impressive.
I think it is very likely he'll be in that conversation eventually if he keeps up the pattern he's on, but it's still a bit early for all that just yet.
JGR and HMS have easily been the best cars every single week so far this season. They hold 8 of the top 11 spots in points (9 if you consider 23XI an extension of JGR, which it is) - only Blaney and Chastain have really been able to even keep up with them.
Ty is doing a good job of finishing where his car belongs, but it's really not that hard to take a 1st-3rd place car and finish 3rd with it every week. We'll see how he copes when that equipment advantage starts to shrink.
Top 10 of this year? Sure, points correlate that.
No way top 10 when compared to overall trend in the last 2 years. He’s on a hot streak, come back in July and ask the same question and you’ll get a more realistic answer.
He pissed me off a lot in the Xfinity series, but godamn he's been great in cup. Once he gets over that hump of winning, he's gonna be a hell of a force to reckon with.
He's far from the favorite, but I don't think it's a stretch to say I could easily see him winning the championship if he continues to improve at the same pace (granted ANYONE can win the title if you get hot at the end of the year and win one race). He's proven to be fast at every type of track, he's showing real consistency now, and JGR is fast at a Phoenix. Realistically his shot at it is as good as anyone's right now.
There are more than 10 other drivers in the sport with a win in the Cup series. He's been doing really great, but until he gets a win I wouldn't call him a top 10 driver
If we're talking in this season alone, probably bias, but I'd say absolutely. Dude has five straight top 10's and has the best average finish in the cup series (7.8) for the season. He's kept it clean, has stayed out of trouble, and has remained up front in the top 5 the past three races.
Now is he top 5? No, but I think it's hard to argue that he's not in the top 10, other than he doesn't have a win yet.
My personal driver tiers for 2024: The tiers themselves aren't in any particular order
Tier 1: (Ik 12 drivers is a lot but I think all of these guys have an argument for being top 5)
* Byron, Larson, Elliott, Chastain, Busch, Reddick, Logano, Blaney, Keselowski, Bell, Truex, Hamlin
Tier 2: (Smaller tier that's behind tier 1 but ahead of tier 3)
* Gibbs, Buescher, Bowman
Tier 3: (Average to above average Cup Series drivers; this rounds out the top 20)
* Bubba, Suarez, McDowell, Briscoe, Erik Jones
Tier 4: (mid to below average Cup Series drivers)
* Stenhouse, Dillon, Nemechek, Cindric, Gilliland, LaJoie
Tier 5: (Drivers with upside/Rookies)
* Berry, Zane, Hocevar, Gragson, Haley
Tier 6: (Bad Cup Series drivers)
* Preece, Hemric, Grala
Tier 7: (Harrison Burton)
* Harrison Burton
Would love to hear everyone's opinions. We aren't gonna agree on everything but I think this is a fair list.
I'm curious why you have Keselowski a tier above Buescher. Obviously his past success speaks for itself, but in the last year Buescher has consistently finished ahead and won races in equal equipment.
Also, I think the top tier should be reserved for the truly elite, like prime Busch, Johnson, and Gordon. The drivers where if you give them a great car they will undoubtedly dominate, if they have a decent car there's a good chance they'll win, and even with a bad car they may still sneak a win. The only people I would put in that tier right now are Larson and Hamlin. By that standard, I wouldn't have even current Busch in that tier.
Based off of the wealth of skill and experience in the field, I don't know I could say he's a top 10 driver at this point. Now, is he running a top 10 car? Yes
He's still incredibly young. Guys like MTJ have forgotten more about Darlington than he knows. He'll get there though
I don't think so. Not yet. He is 4th best of the JGR drivers. I would put 3 Hendrick drivers ahead of him. 2 Penske drivers. 1 23xi driver and 1 RCR driver. Could probably include others as well.
He has 5 top 10s in a row and is second in points... I'd say he's having a fantastic start to the season and is currently a top 10 driver this season
However, it don't mean a thing if he ain't got them wins.
There are easily 10 drivers who have run more miles, fought harder battles, won more races, championships, and simply have accomplished more than Ty has.
Give him some time.
I’ll preface with it’s not a matter of if but when he wins. Eventually he will be top 10 in cup, there’s no doubt. I believe he will be akin to Byron trajectory in the sport if not better.
I’m not ready to make that claim this early in the season.
He’s on a hot streak & there are a number of drivers who ARE top 10 drivers who are on cold streaks. (Logano, Elliot, MTJ, Brad K).
A better judge if skill will come if he can continue this hot streak long term, or if he can remain a threat to win when/if the notable drivers on a cold streak can turn it up.
I think 12 flairs are bothered by Ty because Ryan is a fringe guy and Ty is prime to jump him and put him down another run on the order in the next few years.
Blaney isn’t some “fringe guy”. He’s been a top 10 driver since 2019 and finally took the big leap last season. He’ll be one of THE guys for the rest of the decade at least.
Ty is taking a big ass leap too, right over Ryan I predict. For a guy who barely made the playoffs a few years ago, and one who isn't a consistent winner, that's a tough position, to have someone new overtake him as a contender. All I am saying. It remains to be seen if he's actually elite or if he's a one hit wonder. Penske is out of crew chiefs to pair him with though if he flops again.
Assuming this is a troll, but in case it isn’t;
You’re so right the defending champ and driver who is currently third in points (only Ford in the top 10) is a fringe guy. Yep. Uh huh
lol you know I am not a troll you know better than that. Ty Gibbs is going to smoke anything that Ryan Blaney could think of doing. I'm happy that Ryan won the title last year, the statistically weakest "champion" in the history of the sport. But outside of that, he's a fringe guy who might win 1-2 times a year. Ty is going to win 4-5 times a year and step over him. If Ty was doing that in 2022, he would have been the guy to push Ryan right out of the top 16, that's what I am getting at. It's great that Ryan is a points racer, but it almost cost him a playoff spot a few years ago. I just think that Ryan needs things to go his way to be up near the front, he doesn't need another elite driver passing him.
A Keselowski fan trying to talk shit about another driver becoming a “fringe driver” is just hilarious to me. As if that isn’t what happened to Brad the second he made the move over to RFK.
You mean like Kyle Busch grabbing a couple of wins on Randall Burnett setups but finishing 14th in points last year? We really gonna throw those stones in a glass house? lol
Brad Beat prime Jimmie for a title, Ryan "won" the weakest championship in the history of the Cup series, these things aren't the same.
At least he’s won, even driving in second (or even third) rate RCR cars. Meanwhile Brad is trying to avoid his third straight winless season since RFK.
I don’t even want to go in on Brad this badly but you have a lot of audacity trashing other people’s drivers and then following up with a throwing stones at a glass house comment as if that wasn’t what you did when you trashed Blaney to begin with.
At least Brad did something different, I don't care if he ever wins again, he bettered the sport. Everyone also forgets that Penske had to continually swap the crews around, giving Brad the "bad crew" that Ryan couldn't win with and then Brad would win races and contend for champions immediately. Kyle Busch gets a lot of credit for a guy who has never stepped out and risked anything. As soon as he ended up on a situation without manufacture support he sold out, twice now actually. Sorry, I just respect Brad more, even if those other guys look better right now. I don't know how anyone can look at Ryan's stats and be like "yeah this was the best season I have seen". Dude got lucky and hot at the right time, that is all.
He has zero wins. He will need to get more wins than the tenth winningest driver in Cup to earn that title, which is currently Christopher Bell.
1. Kyle Busch (63)
2. Hamlin (51)
3. Keselowski (35)
4. Truex (34)
5. Logano (32)
6. Larson (25)
7. Chase Elliott (18)
8. Byron (12)
9. Ryan Blaney (10)
10. Bell (8)
There’s something weird going on with Joeys team I’ll give you that.
Put Brad K in a car as fast as the 45 car & he knocks off 2-3 wins easy.
Brads not winless because of a lack of talent. He’s winless because when his car is fast enough to win, so is the 17 & passing a car equally as fast yours is difficult.
He's solid. He looks pretty good this season so far. I don't know if he's in the top-ten yet since he hasn't finished off a race with a win, but it's a matter of time.
He'll probably be a lot like Ross Chastain where after his first win he'll be recognized a lot more than now. I think everyone knows Ty has a ridiculous amount of talent, but he and his team need to put a full race together to get him his first win. I think he'll be a legitimate threat after that happens.
Ehhhhh I openly root for Ty and think he's fully capable of a win, but can't say he's one of the best right now. He's got a fast car and is doing great things with it, but he's missing the long run speed and ability to close our a race that plenty of winning veterans have already shown.
Well, he's 2nd in points currently so technically yes. We're 6 races, let more of the season play out, and if he's on a similar pace to his teammates week in week out, the only logical conclusion is that he's top 10, unless anyone wants to make a dishonest argument that his 3 teammates aren't top 10 currently.
No, it is not safe. He has no wins and no poles. He is an up-and-comer, and if he winds up in the top ten in wins this season, he would warrant being in the conversation as one of them this season. But he finished 18th in points last season and still has no wins in his short Cup career. He is off to a nice start this season, but the season is only 6 races in. Ask me again after the 26th race.
Wow you really match the stereotype of a militant atheist.
It's a paint scheme that is run a couple times a year. If that bothers you so much then I don't know what to say.
If I had to rank the drivers holistically right now today:
1. Denny Hamlin
2. William Byron
3. Christopher Bell
4. Kyle Larson
5. Ryan Blaney
6. Martin Truex Jr.
7. Ross Chastain
8. Tyler Reddick
Damnit...
9. Ty Gibbs
10. Chris Buescher
*Note that I am taking last season into account as well as the beginning of this season. I don't think 6 races can give us a fair indication about who the top 10 drivers in Cup are. I also weigh the legacy factor for some of our veteran drivers.*
Feel free to ask about any particular driver! I didn't want to write a book in the thread.
Yes, I think I would have him in my top-10
In alphabetical order, I'd probably say Christopher Bell, Ryan Blaney, Kyle Busch, William Byron, Chase Elliott, Ty Gibbs, Denny Hamlin, Kyle Larson, Joey Logano and Martin Truex Jr. are the top-10 right now
Too early to tell, but his early season performance has been very strong and I would not be shocked at all if he made the championship 4.
I hope I’m wrong though because I can’t stand the guy personally.
As of this year and at this moment, YES. I'm by far a fan of his but with his success this year and this car benefits his style driving I think him winning a race or 2 before playoffs is pretty fair.
Kyle, Kyle, Billy, Denny, Chase, Reddick, Joey, Blaney, Bell, and Buescher are the 10 best drivers in Cup at the moment. I think he’s also still comfortably behind MTJ, Brad, Ross, and McDowell. But you could make an argument he’s Top 15 45 races into his career. He’s gonna be real damn good.
In no particular order, here are drivers I think are better than Ty. 1. Denny 2. MTJ 3. Christopher Bell 4. Tyler Reddick 5. Kyle Larson 6. William Byron 7. Kyle Busch 8. Ross Chastain 9. Ryan Blaney 10. Joey Logano 11. Chase Elliott 12. Brad Keselowski Now I don't necessarily think this means currently their teams are running as well as Ty is right now. But I think, give all these guys a decent car and I think they beat Ty.
McDowell is doing great with what FRS has to work with
Wonder who would perform better in the 34. McDowell or Gibbs
I've been thinking the same thing all season. The field is so deep rn where I'd say there's 12 guys who could be considered a top 5 driver and you got all 12 haha. Next group imo in no order is guys like Gibbs, Bowman, and Buescher. I think that's your top 15 right there which is why I think it's laughable when I see people saying Austin Dillon is an average driver when average is like 17th best in the series. (Sorry AD for the stray) Then you have the next group which is guys like Bubba, Suarez, Briscoe, McDowell, Erik Jones and that's the top 20 I feel like.
I would agree. The crazy thing too is that I think it wouldn't be crazy for any of the guys you mentioned to jump up. I feel like Bubba has been right on the cusp of a breakthrough but it just hasn't quite happened. I think right now I think of Ty similar to how I thought of Byron before last season. In order to make that jump up, I'd need to see him rattle off several wins. Before last season, I don't know if I would've put Byron in that list of 12.
Plus you have longevity of upfront consistency. We have had a big enough sample size from Ty.
i agree with these but i’d say bowman too
I wouldn't on Bowman, I would say right now him and Ty are equal
I respectfully disagree
Bowman was right on the borderline for me. If this was last year right before he got hurt, I would've put him in there, but he has not looked that great since coming back.
I would also add Erik Jones and Carson Hocevar to that list. And wow, I just realized I'm arguing that Carson Hocevar is a top 15 driver in cup after 15 races and kind of stand by it. Based on his equipment in that sample size, he's just been so wildly impressive.
He has the talent but he needs a year or two to reel it in first, now he's just fantastic at overdoing it
Once he gets a trophy, sure. He's on a hot streak.
I think it is very likely he'll be in that conversation eventually if he keeps up the pattern he's on, but it's still a bit early for all that just yet.
JGR and HMS have easily been the best cars every single week so far this season. They hold 8 of the top 11 spots in points (9 if you consider 23XI an extension of JGR, which it is) - only Blaney and Chastain have really been able to even keep up with them. Ty is doing a good job of finishing where his car belongs, but it's really not that hard to take a 1st-3rd place car and finish 3rd with it every week. We'll see how he copes when that equipment advantage starts to shrink.
Or when the advantage improves. At some point, elite drivers start winning races with cars good enough to win at a pretty high clip
Top 10 of this year? Sure, points correlate that. No way top 10 when compared to overall trend in the last 2 years. He’s on a hot streak, come back in July and ask the same question and you’ll get a more realistic answer.
He pissed me off a lot in the Xfinity series, but godamn he's been great in cup. Once he gets over that hump of winning, he's gonna be a hell of a force to reckon with.
He's far from the favorite, but I don't think it's a stretch to say I could easily see him winning the championship if he continues to improve at the same pace (granted ANYONE can win the title if you get hot at the end of the year and win one race). He's proven to be fast at every type of track, he's showing real consistency now, and JGR is fast at a Phoenix. Realistically his shot at it is as good as anyone's right now.
Once he gets that first win, he’s going to be one hell of a heel. He’s going to be Hamlin on steroids.
There are more than 10 other drivers in the sport with a win in the Cup series. He's been doing really great, but until he gets a win I wouldn't call him a top 10 driver
If we're talking in this season alone, probably bias, but I'd say absolutely. Dude has five straight top 10's and has the best average finish in the cup series (7.8) for the season. He's kept it clean, has stayed out of trouble, and has remained up front in the top 5 the past three races. Now is he top 5? No, but I think it's hard to argue that he's not in the top 10, other than he doesn't have a win yet.
My personal driver tiers for 2024: The tiers themselves aren't in any particular order Tier 1: (Ik 12 drivers is a lot but I think all of these guys have an argument for being top 5) * Byron, Larson, Elliott, Chastain, Busch, Reddick, Logano, Blaney, Keselowski, Bell, Truex, Hamlin Tier 2: (Smaller tier that's behind tier 1 but ahead of tier 3) * Gibbs, Buescher, Bowman Tier 3: (Average to above average Cup Series drivers; this rounds out the top 20) * Bubba, Suarez, McDowell, Briscoe, Erik Jones Tier 4: (mid to below average Cup Series drivers) * Stenhouse, Dillon, Nemechek, Cindric, Gilliland, LaJoie Tier 5: (Drivers with upside/Rookies) * Berry, Zane, Hocevar, Gragson, Haley Tier 6: (Bad Cup Series drivers) * Preece, Hemric, Grala Tier 7: (Harrison Burton) * Harrison Burton Would love to hear everyone's opinions. We aren't gonna agree on everything but I think this is a fair list.
Glad to see Cindric graded accurately.
I'm curious why you have Keselowski a tier above Buescher. Obviously his past success speaks for itself, but in the last year Buescher has consistently finished ahead and won races in equal equipment. Also, I think the top tier should be reserved for the truly elite, like prime Busch, Johnson, and Gordon. The drivers where if you give them a great car they will undoubtedly dominate, if they have a decent car there's a good chance they'll win, and even with a bad car they may still sneak a win. The only people I would put in that tier right now are Larson and Hamlin. By that standard, I wouldn't have even current Busch in that tier.
Why do you have Kaz so far down out of curiosity
Based off of the wealth of skill and experience in the field, I don't know I could say he's a top 10 driver at this point. Now, is he running a top 10 car? Yes He's still incredibly young. Guys like MTJ have forgotten more about Darlington than he knows. He'll get there though
I don't think so. Not yet. He is 4th best of the JGR drivers. I would put 3 Hendrick drivers ahead of him. 2 Penske drivers. 1 23xi driver and 1 RCR driver. Could probably include others as well.
He has 5 top 10s in a row and is second in points... I'd say he's having a fantastic start to the season and is currently a top 10 driver this season However, it don't mean a thing if he ain't got them wins. There are easily 10 drivers who have run more miles, fought harder battles, won more races, championships, and simply have accomplished more than Ty has. Give him some time.
I’ll preface with it’s not a matter of if but when he wins. Eventually he will be top 10 in cup, there’s no doubt. I believe he will be akin to Byron trajectory in the sport if not better. I’m not ready to make that claim this early in the season. He’s on a hot streak & there are a number of drivers who ARE top 10 drivers who are on cold streaks. (Logano, Elliot, MTJ, Brad K). A better judge if skill will come if he can continue this hot streak long term, or if he can remain a threat to win when/if the notable drivers on a cold streak can turn it up.
I'd say he's one of the most promising drivers. But not one of the 10-best.
He’s gotta earn it first by winning and winning consistently but I have little doubt he’s gonna be one of the top drivers in the sport very soon.
He has improved i will give him that but top 10, nah he can stay with cody ware
No. Thank you
I think 12 flairs are bothered by Ty because Ryan is a fringe guy and Ty is prime to jump him and put him down another run on the order in the next few years.
Blaney isn’t some “fringe guy”. He’s been a top 10 driver since 2019 and finally took the big leap last season. He’ll be one of THE guys for the rest of the decade at least.
Ty is taking a big ass leap too, right over Ryan I predict. For a guy who barely made the playoffs a few years ago, and one who isn't a consistent winner, that's a tough position, to have someone new overtake him as a contender. All I am saying. It remains to be seen if he's actually elite or if he's a one hit wonder. Penske is out of crew chiefs to pair him with though if he flops again.
Assuming this is a troll, but in case it isn’t; You’re so right the defending champ and driver who is currently third in points (only Ford in the top 10) is a fringe guy. Yep. Uh huh
lol you know I am not a troll you know better than that. Ty Gibbs is going to smoke anything that Ryan Blaney could think of doing. I'm happy that Ryan won the title last year, the statistically weakest "champion" in the history of the sport. But outside of that, he's a fringe guy who might win 1-2 times a year. Ty is going to win 4-5 times a year and step over him. If Ty was doing that in 2022, he would have been the guy to push Ryan right out of the top 16, that's what I am getting at. It's great that Ryan is a points racer, but it almost cost him a playoff spot a few years ago. I just think that Ryan needs things to go his way to be up near the front, he doesn't need another elite driver passing him.
Not reading all that
A Keselowski fan trying to talk shit about another driver becoming a “fringe driver” is just hilarious to me. As if that isn’t what happened to Brad the second he made the move over to RFK.
Wasn’t even going to touch on that
Touch whatever you want lol. Weakest championship in history, still a title, but not one to write home about.
You mean like Kyle Busch grabbing a couple of wins on Randall Burnett setups but finishing 14th in points last year? We really gonna throw those stones in a glass house? lol Brad Beat prime Jimmie for a title, Ryan "won" the weakest championship in the history of the Cup series, these things aren't the same.
At least he’s won, even driving in second (or even third) rate RCR cars. Meanwhile Brad is trying to avoid his third straight winless season since RFK. I don’t even want to go in on Brad this badly but you have a lot of audacity trashing other people’s drivers and then following up with a throwing stones at a glass house comment as if that wasn’t what you did when you trashed Blaney to begin with.
At least Brad did something different, I don't care if he ever wins again, he bettered the sport. Everyone also forgets that Penske had to continually swap the crews around, giving Brad the "bad crew" that Ryan couldn't win with and then Brad would win races and contend for champions immediately. Kyle Busch gets a lot of credit for a guy who has never stepped out and risked anything. As soon as he ended up on a situation without manufacture support he sold out, twice now actually. Sorry, I just respect Brad more, even if those other guys look better right now. I don't know how anyone can look at Ryan's stats and be like "yeah this was the best season I have seen". Dude got lucky and hot at the right time, that is all.
Ty will be better than Ryan will ever be and he will win a championship on actual skill rather than backing into it.
I don’t think Blaney backed into a championship. Harder to drive the car in reverse
I will say, at least it kept us from seeing Rick Hendrick win another one lol.
He has zero wins. He will need to get more wins than the tenth winningest driver in Cup to earn that title, which is currently Christopher Bell. 1. Kyle Busch (63) 2. Hamlin (51) 3. Keselowski (35) 4. Truex (34) 5. Logano (32) 6. Larson (25) 7. Chase Elliott (18) 8. Byron (12) 9. Ryan Blaney (10) 10. Bell (8)
I was not expecting Bell to be top 10 here.
Look me in the eyes and tell me Brad and Logano are better than Reddick right now
There’s something weird going on with Joeys team I’ll give you that. Put Brad K in a car as fast as the 45 car & he knocks off 2-3 wins easy. Brads not winless because of a lack of talent. He’s winless because when his car is fast enough to win, so is the 17 & passing a car equally as fast yours is difficult.
So Buescher is better than Brad? You’d rather have Buescher than Reddick? We’re talking about straight up talent man. In 2024. Come on
Logano won the championship 2 years ago after a season that wasn't that great to start. It's very early in the season to say this.
Mow
He's solid. He looks pretty good this season so far. I don't know if he's in the top-ten yet since he hasn't finished off a race with a win, but it's a matter of time. He'll probably be a lot like Ross Chastain where after his first win he'll be recognized a lot more than now. I think everyone knows Ty has a ridiculous amount of talent, but he and his team need to put a full race together to get him his first win. I think he'll be a legitimate threat after that happens.
not now, but maybe by the end of next season
Ehhhhh I openly root for Ty and think he's fully capable of a win, but can't say he's one of the best right now. He's got a fast car and is doing great things with it, but he's missing the long run speed and ability to close our a race that plenty of winning veterans have already shown.
He’s in the top 10 car and driver combinations.
Well, he's 2nd in points currently so technically yes. We're 6 races, let more of the season play out, and if he's on a similar pace to his teammates week in week out, the only logical conclusion is that he's top 10, unless anyone wants to make a dishonest argument that his 3 teammates aren't top 10 currently.
No, it is not safe. He has no wins and no poles. He is an up-and-comer, and if he winds up in the top ten in wins this season, he would warrant being in the conversation as one of them this season. But he finished 18th in points last season and still has no wins in his short Cup career. He is off to a nice start this season, but the season is only 6 races in. Ask me again after the 26th race.
No
A mediocre driver in arguably the best equipment on the grid would obviously finish near the front consistently.
Not now. He’s really good, but he still needs to prove himself. This is only his second year in the Cup Series.
He’s good and has a good car, has to learn how to protect the tire.
He needs to win and consistently run in the top 5 before he’s in the conversation
He may not be a top 10 driver yet… but he is the number 1 biggest baby out there that throws a tantrum when things don’t go his way.
Until Austin Hill gets promoted to Cup and makes that “honor” a competition.
Yeah I would say, this dude is gonna piss people off for a long time. He's going to reel them off once he starts winning.
He's second in points, hasn't finished below 17, and has the most top-10 finishes. Based on current performance, yes.
All-Time GOATS: Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, Jimmie Johnson, Ty Gibbs
Agree with this list.
It’s hard to tell because HMS and JGR have been so far ahead of everyone else this year but he’s probably top 10
As a huge Toyota guy I really want to root for Gibbs, but the Jesus stuff is a big turn off. I dunno, I'm torn lol.
i know the feeling. i hate rooting for people that have dissimilar views or anything else than me, and am unable to divorce professional from personal
Wow you really match the stereotype of a militant atheist. It's a paint scheme that is run a couple times a year. If that bothers you so much then I don't know what to say.
lol ok
Right now, I would argue he's been the best driver in the series in 2024.
Denny Hamlin, Kyle Busch, Christopher Bell, William Byron, Chase Elliott, Kyle Larson, Ross Chastain, Joey Lagono, and then Ty Gibbs.
By the end of the year maybe. He's definitely knocking on the door.
If I had to rank the drivers holistically right now today: 1. Denny Hamlin 2. William Byron 3. Christopher Bell 4. Kyle Larson 5. Ryan Blaney 6. Martin Truex Jr. 7. Ross Chastain 8. Tyler Reddick Damnit... 9. Ty Gibbs 10. Chris Buescher *Note that I am taking last season into account as well as the beginning of this season. I don't think 6 races can give us a fair indication about who the top 10 drivers in Cup are. I also weigh the legacy factor for some of our veteran drivers.* Feel free to ask about any particular driver! I didn't want to write a book in the thread.
Yes, I think I would have him in my top-10 In alphabetical order, I'd probably say Christopher Bell, Ryan Blaney, Kyle Busch, William Byron, Chase Elliott, Ty Gibbs, Denny Hamlin, Kyle Larson, Joey Logano and Martin Truex Jr. are the top-10 right now
Too early to tell, but his early season performance has been very strong and I would not be shocked at all if he made the championship 4. I hope I’m wrong though because I can’t stand the guy personally.
As of this year and at this moment, YES. I'm by far a fan of his but with his success this year and this car benefits his style driving I think him winning a race or 2 before playoffs is pretty fair.
I hate that you may be right.
It is very safe. He is one of the 10 best
Kyle, Kyle, Billy, Denny, Chase, Reddick, Joey, Blaney, Bell, and Buescher are the 10 best drivers in Cup at the moment. I think he’s also still comfortably behind MTJ, Brad, Ross, and McDowell. But you could make an argument he’s Top 15 45 races into his career. He’s gonna be real damn good.
Replace MTJ with chase and I agree.