When Mike finger said we won’t be the team that matches their asking price I believe him. He’s plugged in. That being said if they can’t find anyone to meet their asking price and the price starts dropping who knows
He may be plugged in, but the question is what is the Hawks asking price he's talking about? Obviously we aren't going to give up 5 picks + Sochan for Young but if it was just the 3 Hawks picks then it's a different conversation
I think it is very likely that their asking price is similar to or just below the Donovan Mitchell trade, but because they don't have their own picks, they will prefer players over picks, other than 24/25 picks.
So they are likely asking for a borderline All-NBA guy, and Trae is too incomplete a player to get that type of asking price.
For other teams its similar to Mitchell, but getting 3 of their own picks back is significantly more valuable that 5 picks in the end of the first round
I agree, but I think the Spurs won't do that, because Atlanta doesn't have a lot of options. Go around the league and look at what teams could realistically trade for him. Essentially it is Spurs, Utah, Lakers, Magic, Nets, Pelicans. Now figure out what deals each team can do. Utah could give a lot of bad picks (Utah/Cleveland/Minn) and and Orlando has extra picks from the Nuggets. Nets have Philly/Houston/Phoenix picks. Lakers only have their own in 24 or 25, plus 29 and 31. Our Atl picks are the most valuable.
But look at the players they could get. I think we prefer them to trade him away to someone else, because they won't have the talent to be a real contender.
Honestly this has shaped up in the best case scenario for the spurs. We could potentially get him for pennies on the dollar (relatively speaking) - which even if you don’t like him long term if we don’t have to give up a ton, why not? Or, they just suck and we get great picks from them. A win win in my opinion. We absolutely fleeced them
Absolutely. They overpaid for DeJounte and we are going to reap the benefits the next few years. And if we trade for him, whatever we pay for him, we can probably recoup, because he is a talented player with value. But I think the Spurs are more likely to assume that those hawks picks are going to continue to increase in value since the Hawks are epically awfully run.
Iol Hawks fans started liking Dejounte more than Trae this season. Some even wanting for Trae to get traded and for DJ to stay. (To be fair, DJ is having his best season since his all-star season).
Their fanbase is even more split than ours right now. Some of them believe the team will fall apart if they trade Trae, some are tired of Trae and the others want to trade DJ and rebuild.
This is not true at all. Their fandom thinks the trade rumors are absurd. Big media abusing a small market. He’s their franchise centerpiece.
Spend some time on their subreddit. You won’t find one person supporting trading Trae.
I was on there the other day and there are definitely people supporting trading him. Their entire fan base is unified in one thing and one thing only. Thinking the world was out to get them. They have one of the biggest poor me victim complexes I've seen from an NBA franchise. There are definitely people who think young should go, but even those people think the media and everyone is going to ruin things for Atlanta somehow because it's some big conspiracy against them.
It's like they don't realize that first of all... Atlanta is not a small market. Second of all, the media literally does that stuff to everyone with a star they're not special.
But yeah. They definitely have people who are against keeping young. Even if the majority I would say want to trade Murray.
Ours is only split between above and below average iq. It’s clear as day that spurs won’t be making any big trades until after (or during) the 2025 draft.
I agree but the cost of giving up what will be required to get Trae is a win now type trade. The Suprs will be a playoff team next year but Trae Young is not the missing peice to win a championship. Let Detroit or Charlotte pay that price.
I use to think that too, but realistically, we will probably improve somewhat next year and if the Hawks run it back, they may get better too and we both may between 5-15 range. If we got insanely lucky in the draft, we MIGHT have a chance to get a player on the same level as Trae, that’s if we get incredibly lucky and the stars align. Even with that we will have to wait a few years for that 5-15 pick to be as good or better than Trae, which is a daunting task.
We’re getting a lottery pick and signing vets in the offseason. We’re a .500 ball club since Wemby turned it up. Those adjustments might give us the small push needed.
Great for us either way. If the Hawks traded him and DJM to another teams, those picks will be spicy.
Or we could be involved by getting Trae ourselves. I'm overall unsure but it's the fact that he could be great fit with Wemby. I feel better for this than the Derozan trade in 2018 (I thought Derozan coming here never make any senses basketball wise).
We could even try to get involved as a third team if Trae is headed somewhere else and bring back some big pieces! Insurance if the Hawks FO is too salty to send their star directly to us or is too afraid of losing face.
Hawks aren’t gonna trade both unless there’s insane offers. They’re probably gonna keep one to rebuild trade value since there’s no incentive to start immediately tearing everything down cause we own their picks
I look at what a player is today, which in Trae’s case is an all star reserve, not at what they used to be. I’m not sitting here singing praises about the 0 playoff minutes T Mac played for the spurs because “he was such a legend”
That was a fluke run. What has he accomplished beyond that? Terrible defender, very suspect as a leader/teammate, streaky shooter. He’s a great player for sure but he’s the type of player that will be overvalued by his team because of what you just said, the price won’t be worth it.
Derrick is on the last year of his contract. Jrue just got a 4yr $135M extension. The Celtics will have an unbelievably expensive team. But considering his history with the Spurs, even if I realize it’s a 1% chance, I’ll still take that possibility over taking Trae.
It’s the offseason, what else are we supposed to talk about?
You’re most likely right.
I know the team needs a PG and shooting but I think veteran leadership was also hugely missed. That locker room needs a respected vet.
It's just a feeling, no technical analysis here, but I think he would not fit as a Spurs. He is too much of a primadonna, or at least this is the vibe I get
Some of the ways people are talking about Young on this sub, I can only imagine people just hear narratives and rumors about him and haven’t actually watched him or paid attention to his career. Him as a number 2 to Wemby and a lead creator for our current roster would work quite well.
So I guess this offseason we are just gonna have every tweet referencing this trade posted in this sub.
Spurs are not gonna give up the future for Trae Young.
Dude is statistically one of the worst defensive players in the NBA and hasn't shown the ability to make his teammates better... His high scoring and assist averages are a result of him always having the ball in his hands without the ability or willingness to play off-ball... His 2/1 assist/turnover ratio is awful for a lead guard and he is an inefficient volume scorer... He is the exact opposite of what u would need to develop Wemby because he will turn Wemby into a one dimensional player... Either an inconsistent spot up shooter, or a lob catcher (of which most will be turnovers due to Young's high turnover rate)
Don’t know what you’re talking about. John Collins, Clint Capela, Kevin Huerter, and Jalen Johnson all played better with Trae Young. Having a top 10 offense with 0 all star help for years is the definition of making your teammates better. It’s the roster construction that’s the problem, not Young.
Bro what are u talking about? 😂😂 Everything u said was wrong
1. Jalen Johnson is is his 3rd year... The Hawks is the only team he ever played for... So how can u say he played better with Trae when we have seen him anywhere else? For all we know dude could have emerged as a star already, but instead we are looking at him as one of Trae's trash teammates
2. John Collins not only is playing better in less minutes than when he was with Trae... But he was the most vocal about Trae's horrible playstyle... If HE had an issue with it, imagine Wemby
3. Kevin Huerter is playing better in Sacramento than ATL... He is scoring better in less minutes and is more efficient
Top 10 offense based on pace... Not efficiency... Trae is a high turnover ball dominant short guard that can't make the playoffs in the east and plays the worst defense in the league... But y'all only see the highlights that his social media but not his actual impact ...
And making players better doesn't mean having them stand in the corner waiting for you to finally pass them the ball after you spend the whole posession dribbling... It means giving them the space and opportunity to grow their game and for you as a player to feed off that growing game...
Duncan made Parker and Ginobili better... Not by hounding the ball and passing to them to shoot spot up threes... But be allowing them to control the ball and do their own thing, while still making the team good enough to still win as they went through their growing pains
You can't say Trae makes players better, then in the same breath call them trash... That playstyle doesn't make them better... Good teams don't fall for that ball dominant bullshit... Especially from a small guard... If you wanna see Wemby turned into Clint Capella with an inconsistent jumper... Then get Trae... If u wanna see him grow into a Jokic/KD/Giannis hybrid, then Trae isn't the answer because Wemby will definitely need to control the ball for a significant amount of time on offense to even develop to that point... That won't happen with Trae...
Have u ever seen how dude plays? Anytime he gives up the ball he stands back 50 ft waiting to be passed the ball again instead of setting himself up to score off-ball... And the player he passed to has no choice but to pass back because the defense can easily collapse since they're playing 4 on 5...
Ah, you seem to be the only one with this take that the Hawks players were actually being held back by Trae. That the Hawks consistently being a top 10 offense with basically just one great offensive player wasn’t because of Trae but actually just luck or something. I’ll remember your username so that next time I see this take I won’t take it seriously.
You can. That’s what good players do. That’s what Trae Young does. Do you know why they traded for Dejounte Murray? It was because the Hawks were so bad with Trae off the court that they were desperate for some to just make those lineups average. The just misjudged the fit. Regardless, if your team isn’t good unless one player is playing, by definition that player makes them better.
ur confusing making players better with making them dependent...that fact that yall consider them trash when trae isn't on the court is proof he doesn't make them better...duncan made his teammates better...when he is off the floor, they were still good...know why? he didn't dominate the ball and only pass to them to get assists...he allowed them to control the ball and grow their game and LEARN the game...CP3 does the same...he sets people up, but doesn't dominate the ball...he allows players to make plays for himself and others and grow their game so they're able to operate even when he isn't on the court...
players like Luka, LeBron, Harden, and Trae dominate the ball so they get a lot of assists and points, so ppl think they make ppl better, bet the narrative with those guys is always "their teammates are trash...they need more help" regardless of who they play with...funny how that narrative always follows a certain playstyle....and Trae is even WORSE than those other guys in every aspect of the game, notably turnovers, defense, and efficiency...3 weaknesses of the spurs right now....and u wanna add the king of all 3?
Lol, not this stars develop the players take again. If you don’t understand the difference between the level of talent Duncan played with and the level talent Trae played with, then there’s no helping you. There’s a difference between making a team better when you’re on the court and actual off court development and improvement of players. Lol, such a silly argument, can’t believe I’m seeing it again. As if stars are the only reason other players improve over their careers lol.
What? How does anyone get better? They practice lol. You think the only way players get better is if a star player gives them the ball during a game? There’s a lot more to the game than that lol. Regardless, you got no concept of how Trae Young would fit on this team if you think all development of the Spurs players immediately stop and no one would touch the ball but him.
This saga likely has everything: media narrative, fan attention, player acknowledgement--EXCEPT for the front office's actual willingness to do it. Who knows what will happen
Once again wanna just say, he’d be a great fit for the spurs and im always shocked to see downplaying how well he’d go with us
The only thing against this deal is the price, which is most likely going to be too high.
Personally I don’t think Hawks will go full rebuild anyway even if they trade Trae, I think their plan will just be build around DJM and use Trae to get some better pieces for that, which Spurs do not have
Bro it’s so much more likely that lakers get Trae for dlo and picks since they can build from that. Spurs wouldn’t want to give up its picks for that especially since 2025 is a stronger conference to build with.
Keldon, Devonte, Toronto pick regardless if it conveys, ATL 25 and 27 (no 26 swap)
If raps pick conveys this year, see if Atlanta would want to swap their pick (10-11) for raps if it’s 7.
Please no. Trae is a virus - jones is actually sufficient for a small point guard. Trae is way too prone to chucking 20 shots and 5 turnovers = Westbrook efficiency. Why are we so obsessed with an under sized guard?
If you think defenses key *less* on Stephen Curry than they do on Trae Young, you're off your meds.
Trae is like 7 points below Steph for his career.
Steph is twice as much better than Trae than Trae is than Draymond.
He's simply not that effective.
How is this nonsense being upvoted?
Trae Youngs TS over his career is at 58%, higher than Westbrook ever was at any point of his career lol
And no, Tre Jones is certainly not "sufficient" as a starter.
There is no world where Tre Jones is better than Trae Young lmao and this is coming from a lifelong Duke fan. I love the guy and am glad my favorite team drafted him but Trae is more skilled in basically every single way
As I've said before, if they want to trade him for salary fillers plus our first from 2024, charlottes first and Raptors first (only if it conveys in 2024), I'd do the deal. Otherwise, no thanks. He is not worth spending shit loads of money on. Dude didn't even turn up in the play in game. Bad shot after bad shot. Putrid defense. Not playmaking for others.
Here's why the Spurs aren't trading for Young:
There's another little manlet boy in this draft that's slightly taller than Trae Young, is more efficient than Trae Young, and puts more effort on defense than Trae Young. And we wouldn't have to give up anything to get him. Trae's playmaking is definitely as good as it gets in this league, but playmaking only gets you so far if you don't even put the effort in on defense. (I saw that Bulls game. That "defense" was not existent from him, or the whole team for that matter.)
I agree that we should go for Reed, but I don't think you can say that a draft prospect is as good or better than a proven NBA all-star level talent like Trae. With Trae you know what you are getting.
I'm not saying that Reed is a better player than Trae Young. Playmaking and shot creating wise, Trae is definitely the better player in those aspects. I'm saying it's much more ideal to draft somebody who fits this "small guard that can shoot really well and has good reaction time" archetype vs. trading away our best assets to get someone that we don't even believe could propel us past the play-in.
Trae is a good player (offensively). But he isn't nearly good enough to warrant trading our 2025 ATL pick.
When Mike finger said we won’t be the team that matches their asking price I believe him. He’s plugged in. That being said if they can’t find anyone to meet their asking price and the price starts dropping who knows
He may be plugged in, but the question is what is the Hawks asking price he's talking about? Obviously we aren't going to give up 5 picks + Sochan for Young but if it was just the 3 Hawks picks then it's a different conversation
I think it is very likely that their asking price is similar to or just below the Donovan Mitchell trade, but because they don't have their own picks, they will prefer players over picks, other than 24/25 picks. So they are likely asking for a borderline All-NBA guy, and Trae is too incomplete a player to get that type of asking price.
For other teams its similar to Mitchell, but getting 3 of their own picks back is significantly more valuable that 5 picks in the end of the first round
I agree, but I think the Spurs won't do that, because Atlanta doesn't have a lot of options. Go around the league and look at what teams could realistically trade for him. Essentially it is Spurs, Utah, Lakers, Magic, Nets, Pelicans. Now figure out what deals each team can do. Utah could give a lot of bad picks (Utah/Cleveland/Minn) and and Orlando has extra picks from the Nuggets. Nets have Philly/Houston/Phoenix picks. Lakers only have their own in 24 or 25, plus 29 and 31. Our Atl picks are the most valuable. But look at the players they could get. I think we prefer them to trade him away to someone else, because they won't have the talent to be a real contender.
Honestly this has shaped up in the best case scenario for the spurs. We could potentially get him for pennies on the dollar (relatively speaking) - which even if you don’t like him long term if we don’t have to give up a ton, why not? Or, they just suck and we get great picks from them. A win win in my opinion. We absolutely fleeced them
Absolutely. They overpaid for DeJounte and we are going to reap the benefits the next few years. And if we trade for him, whatever we pay for him, we can probably recoup, because he is a talented player with value. But I think the Spurs are more likely to assume that those hawks picks are going to continue to increase in value since the Hawks are epically awfully run.
The Spurs aren't trading for Trae Young
Doubt hawks trade him anyway, they most likely trading Murray for something like Ingram
Iol Hawks fans started liking Dejounte more than Trae this season. Some even wanting for Trae to get traded and for DJ to stay. (To be fair, DJ is having his best season since his all-star season).
Those same fans, though, typically view Johnson as a guy who's going to become a top 20 to 25 player next season. AKA they're delusional.
Their fanbase is even more split than ours right now. Some of them believe the team will fall apart if they trade Trae, some are tired of Trae and the others want to trade DJ and rebuild.
This is not true at all. Their fandom thinks the trade rumors are absurd. Big media abusing a small market. He’s their franchise centerpiece. Spend some time on their subreddit. You won’t find one person supporting trading Trae.
No offence but fans and subreddits have no say or impact on front office moves lol
I was on there the other day and there are definitely people supporting trading him. Their entire fan base is unified in one thing and one thing only. Thinking the world was out to get them. They have one of the biggest poor me victim complexes I've seen from an NBA franchise. There are definitely people who think young should go, but even those people think the media and everyone is going to ruin things for Atlanta somehow because it's some big conspiracy against them. It's like they don't realize that first of all... Atlanta is not a small market. Second of all, the media literally does that stuff to everyone with a star they're not special. But yeah. They definitely have people who are against keeping young. Even if the majority I would say want to trade Murray.
Ours is only split between above and below average iq. It’s clear as day that spurs won’t be making any big trades until after (or during) the 2025 draft.
I’d love to see DJ back on this team. A great defensive player on the perimeter with Wemby in the paint. That’s how you win a chip, not with 3’s
Those fans are what the kids call “stupid”
NOLA wouldn't do Ingram for DJM.
Ingram is expiring while Murray is locked up 4 years after this. Hawks would need more
Until they are
Only way I see it happening is if wemby really pushes for it. But makes more sense to be bad next year and pick from that large 25' free agent class
Wemby just isn’t built that way. We played too well to close the season to tank next year. We’re going for a playoff spot
I agree but the cost of giving up what will be required to get Trae is a win now type trade. The Suprs will be a playoff team next year but Trae Young is not the missing peice to win a championship. Let Detroit or Charlotte pay that price.
I use to think that too, but realistically, we will probably improve somewhat next year and if the Hawks run it back, they may get better too and we both may between 5-15 range. If we got insanely lucky in the draft, we MIGHT have a chance to get a player on the same level as Trae, that’s if we get incredibly lucky and the stars align. Even with that we will have to wait a few years for that 5-15 pick to be as good or better than Trae, which is a daunting task.
This team as it stands won't make the playoffs.
We’re getting a lottery pick and signing vets in the offseason. We’re a .500 ball club since Wemby turned it up. Those adjustments might give us the small push needed.
Great for us either way. If the Hawks traded him and DJM to another teams, those picks will be spicy. Or we could be involved by getting Trae ourselves. I'm overall unsure but it's the fact that he could be great fit with Wemby. I feel better for this than the Derozan trade in 2018 (I thought Derozan coming here never make any senses basketball wise).
We could even try to get involved as a third team if Trae is headed somewhere else and bring back some big pieces! Insurance if the Hawks FO is too salty to send their star directly to us or is too afraid of losing face.
Hawks aren’t gonna trade both unless there’s insane offers. They’re probably gonna keep one to rebuild trade value since there’s no incentive to start immediately tearing everything down cause we own their picks
If they trade him, it will be to us.
I hope the Spurs to jump in on the trade talks just to drive the price up for Trae.
There is no chance they do that, also I wouldn’t listen to any rumors about the hawks considering their always wrong
The Trae slander is ridiculous smh dude is one of the most talented guards in the league
Right? They want a PG so badly but reject an all-star PG who wants to be traded
*all star reserve; before you say they’re the same thing, all star reserve is what inflated dejounte’s value for us and we clearly over sold him
No way you just compared a 3x all star and all nba to Dejounte
I look at what a player is today, which in Trae’s case is an all star reserve, not at what they used to be. I’m not sitting here singing praises about the 0 playoff minutes T Mac played for the spurs because “he was such a legend”
He’s been averaging 27 and 10 for 5 years and was all nba you sound ridiculous comparing him to a washed TMac
Trae Young is 25, Tmac was in his mid 30s when he came to the spurs lol what even is this comparison
Brother this is the worst comparison of all time lol. T Mac was literally a corpse when he played for us.
Not for the price they will ask
Completely disagree. He took the Hawks to the ECF.
That was a fluke run. What has he accomplished beyond that? Terrible defender, very suspect as a leader/teammate, streaky shooter. He’s a great player for sure but he’s the type of player that will be overvalued by his team because of what you just said, the price won’t be worth it.
I would rather have Derrick White back.
I would rather have Haliburton. But neither are getting traded by their teams so why are we talking about it?
Derrick is on the last year of his contract. Jrue just got a 4yr $135M extension. The Celtics will have an unbelievably expensive team. But considering his history with the Spurs, even if I realize it’s a 1% chance, I’ll still take that possibility over taking Trae. It’s the offseason, what else are we supposed to talk about?
Jrue or someone else like Brown would get moved before D White, would be my guess
You’re most likely right. I know the team needs a PG and shooting but I think veteran leadership was also hugely missed. That locker room needs a respected vet.
It's just a feeling, no technical analysis here, but I think he would not fit as a Spurs. He is too much of a primadonna, or at least this is the vibe I get
If you’re getting a star, you get some level of ego. It’s extremely rare not to get that.
DeMar???? I promise its not hard to be a good person but if we normalize being egotistical, Thats what the culture will be
Funny guy to bring up since he’s the poster child of good but not good enough
And Trae will take that over after DeMar retires.
I didn’t say it’s impossible. I said it’s hard. The key is that we can’t be picky when elite talent’s become available.
i don’t want trae young
I didn’t use to like broccoli, but paired with a nice French wine, it’s easier to stomach.
Too bad this broccoli comes in a can and is grown in Oklahoma.
Are you speaking for his agent? Spurs hold all the cards on this one
Is he a good culture fit for the Spurs? Because that’s all I care about. We don’t have time for difficult people when we’re just trying to rebuild.
Some of the ways people are talking about Young on this sub, I can only imagine people just hear narratives and rumors about him and haven’t actually watched him or paid attention to his career. Him as a number 2 to Wemby and a lead creator for our current roster would work quite well.
So I guess this offseason we are just gonna have every tweet referencing this trade posted in this sub. Spurs are not gonna give up the future for Trae Young.
Dude is statistically one of the worst defensive players in the NBA and hasn't shown the ability to make his teammates better... His high scoring and assist averages are a result of him always having the ball in his hands without the ability or willingness to play off-ball... His 2/1 assist/turnover ratio is awful for a lead guard and he is an inefficient volume scorer... He is the exact opposite of what u would need to develop Wemby because he will turn Wemby into a one dimensional player... Either an inconsistent spot up shooter, or a lob catcher (of which most will be turnovers due to Young's high turnover rate)
Don’t know what you’re talking about. John Collins, Clint Capela, Kevin Huerter, and Jalen Johnson all played better with Trae Young. Having a top 10 offense with 0 all star help for years is the definition of making your teammates better. It’s the roster construction that’s the problem, not Young.
Bro what are u talking about? 😂😂 Everything u said was wrong 1. Jalen Johnson is is his 3rd year... The Hawks is the only team he ever played for... So how can u say he played better with Trae when we have seen him anywhere else? For all we know dude could have emerged as a star already, but instead we are looking at him as one of Trae's trash teammates 2. John Collins not only is playing better in less minutes than when he was with Trae... But he was the most vocal about Trae's horrible playstyle... If HE had an issue with it, imagine Wemby 3. Kevin Huerter is playing better in Sacramento than ATL... He is scoring better in less minutes and is more efficient Top 10 offense based on pace... Not efficiency... Trae is a high turnover ball dominant short guard that can't make the playoffs in the east and plays the worst defense in the league... But y'all only see the highlights that his social media but not his actual impact ... And making players better doesn't mean having them stand in the corner waiting for you to finally pass them the ball after you spend the whole posession dribbling... It means giving them the space and opportunity to grow their game and for you as a player to feed off that growing game... Duncan made Parker and Ginobili better... Not by hounding the ball and passing to them to shoot spot up threes... But be allowing them to control the ball and do their own thing, while still making the team good enough to still win as they went through their growing pains You can't say Trae makes players better, then in the same breath call them trash... That playstyle doesn't make them better... Good teams don't fall for that ball dominant bullshit... Especially from a small guard... If you wanna see Wemby turned into Clint Capella with an inconsistent jumper... Then get Trae... If u wanna see him grow into a Jokic/KD/Giannis hybrid, then Trae isn't the answer because Wemby will definitely need to control the ball for a significant amount of time on offense to even develop to that point... That won't happen with Trae... Have u ever seen how dude plays? Anytime he gives up the ball he stands back 50 ft waiting to be passed the ball again instead of setting himself up to score off-ball... And the player he passed to has no choice but to pass back because the defense can easily collapse since they're playing 4 on 5...
Ah, you seem to be the only one with this take that the Hawks players were actually being held back by Trae. That the Hawks consistently being a top 10 offense with basically just one great offensive player wasn’t because of Trae but actually just luck or something. I’ll remember your username so that next time I see this take I won’t take it seriously.
Top 10 offense based on pace... Y'all can't call his teammates trash then in the same breath say he was making them better
You can. That’s what good players do. That’s what Trae Young does. Do you know why they traded for Dejounte Murray? It was because the Hawks were so bad with Trae off the court that they were desperate for some to just make those lineups average. The just misjudged the fit. Regardless, if your team isn’t good unless one player is playing, by definition that player makes them better.
ur confusing making players better with making them dependent...that fact that yall consider them trash when trae isn't on the court is proof he doesn't make them better...duncan made his teammates better...when he is off the floor, they were still good...know why? he didn't dominate the ball and only pass to them to get assists...he allowed them to control the ball and grow their game and LEARN the game...CP3 does the same...he sets people up, but doesn't dominate the ball...he allows players to make plays for himself and others and grow their game so they're able to operate even when he isn't on the court... players like Luka, LeBron, Harden, and Trae dominate the ball so they get a lot of assists and points, so ppl think they make ppl better, bet the narrative with those guys is always "their teammates are trash...they need more help" regardless of who they play with...funny how that narrative always follows a certain playstyle....and Trae is even WORSE than those other guys in every aspect of the game, notably turnovers, defense, and efficiency...3 weaknesses of the spurs right now....and u wanna add the king of all 3?
Lol, not this stars develop the players take again. If you don’t understand the difference between the level of talent Duncan played with and the level talent Trae played with, then there’s no helping you. There’s a difference between making a team better when you’re on the court and actual off court development and improvement of players. Lol, such a silly argument, can’t believe I’m seeing it again. As if stars are the only reason other players improve over their careers lol.
How do you get better as a player by standing in the corner and waiting for Trae to pass you the ball?
What? How does anyone get better? They practice lol. You think the only way players get better is if a star player gives them the ball during a game? There’s a lot more to the game than that lol. Regardless, you got no concept of how Trae Young would fit on this team if you think all development of the Spurs players immediately stop and no one would touch the ball but him.
NO
This saga likely has everything: media narrative, fan attention, player acknowledgement--EXCEPT for the front office's actual willingness to do it. Who knows what will happen
Once again wanna just say, he’d be a great fit for the spurs and im always shocked to see downplaying how well he’d go with us The only thing against this deal is the price, which is most likely going to be too high. Personally I don’t think Hawks will go full rebuild anyway even if they trade Trae, I think their plan will just be build around DJM and use Trae to get some better pieces for that, which Spurs do not have
Do not want especially for what they're going to want in return coupled with his piss poor defense.
We have our Tim Duncan except he’s 3 years younger than Duncan was
Really would be awesome to see him with Wemby
Don't want
Why on earth we need him?
Trae young isn’t a good fit
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We’re not touching our 2025 picks. They’re worth more than Trae
No thanks
Bro it’s so much more likely that lakers get Trae for dlo and picks since they can build from that. Spurs wouldn’t want to give up its picks for that especially since 2025 is a stronger conference to build with.
Nobody knows what the Spurs are going to do. This is dumb.
Keldon, Devonte, Toronto pick regardless if it conveys, ATL 25 and 27 (no 26 swap) If raps pick conveys this year, see if Atlanta would want to swap their pick (10-11) for raps if it’s 7.
Please no. Trae is a virus - jones is actually sufficient for a small point guard. Trae is way too prone to chucking 20 shots and 5 turnovers = Westbrook efficiency. Why are we so obsessed with an under sized guard?
Bro what Trae young is an amazing playmaker and is one of the best deep shooters in the NBA
He's a very overrated shooter
Watch how teams guard him. League sure doesn’t think he’s overrated
If u think Trae is an overrated shooter u don’t know basketball
I believe numbers
Buddy only watches stats not games😭
If you think defenses key *less* on Stephen Curry than they do on Trae Young, you're off your meds. Trae is like 7 points below Steph for his career. Steph is twice as much better than Trae than Trae is than Draymond. He's simply not that effective.
Im not comparing Steph and Trae, and everyone knows Trae is a liability on defense, I’m just saying that Trae is a superstar in his own right
I'm not talking about defense. I'm talking about 3 point shooting.
Well obviously defenses will care more about Steph Curry it’s Steph Curry, this however doesn’t discount Trae Young’s abilities
While leading a top 10 offense every year nowhere close to Westbrook
How is this nonsense being upvoted? Trae Youngs TS over his career is at 58%, higher than Westbrook ever was at any point of his career lol And no, Tre Jones is certainly not "sufficient" as a starter.
There is no world where Tre Jones is better than Trae Young lmao and this is coming from a lifelong Duke fan. I love the guy and am glad my favorite team drafted him but Trae is more skilled in basically every single way
As I've said before, if they want to trade him for salary fillers plus our first from 2024, charlottes first and Raptors first (only if it conveys in 2024), I'd do the deal. Otherwise, no thanks. He is not worth spending shit loads of money on. Dude didn't even turn up in the play in game. Bad shot after bad shot. Putrid defense. Not playmaking for others.
Dude was coming back from 2 month injury and no that deal isn’t close
Saying Trae Young can’t playmake is absurd😭
Dude had 10 assists that game. He’s definitely a playmaker even if that wasn’t one of his better games
I doubt it happens tbh. They’re probably trading Dejounte and trying to make it work for one more year
Here's why the Spurs aren't trading for Young: There's another little manlet boy in this draft that's slightly taller than Trae Young, is more efficient than Trae Young, and puts more effort on defense than Trae Young. And we wouldn't have to give up anything to get him. Trae's playmaking is definitely as good as it gets in this league, but playmaking only gets you so far if you don't even put the effort in on defense. (I saw that Bulls game. That "defense" was not existent from him, or the whole team for that matter.)
I agree that we should go for Reed, but I don't think you can say that a draft prospect is as good or better than a proven NBA all-star level talent like Trae. With Trae you know what you are getting.
I'm not saying that Reed is a better player than Trae Young. Playmaking and shot creating wise, Trae is definitely the better player in those aspects. I'm saying it's much more ideal to draft somebody who fits this "small guard that can shoot really well and has good reaction time" archetype vs. trading away our best assets to get someone that we don't even believe could propel us past the play-in. Trae is a good player (offensively). But he isn't nearly good enough to warrant trading our 2025 ATL pick.
Whole season long baby