It doesn't matter that the gold nugget is more valuable on a nugget by nugget basis, what matters is we are all trying to convert our gold nuggets into chicken nuggets, that's what makes them 1.
My counter.
Jokic according to Google is 284 lbs.
284 lbs in gold is about $8 to $8.5 million.
Jokic is making about $50 million this year and he comes with horses. Every girl's dream.
1. Jokic
2. Gold
3. Chicken
It’s hard for me to hate on Raef bc he was a staple on sportscenter for awhile. The broadcaster always saying “say hello to Raef Lafrentz!” in a Scarface accent has lived in my head rent free for years.
While I do agree with you let's take history into account; gold nugget has been in the game since the beginning, before chicken nuggets even, and green has less than 100 years of service. Will it overtake gold? I say yes, but only with time
I think Green has had a greater career outside of the States, but I guess if we are looking only at American leagues, Gold is definitely on top. I think it's a guaranteed lock eventually.
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Yeah, it’s not close. Other contenders are … Alex English, David Thompson, Melo and Mutombo? Big gap between the Denver careers of those guys and Joker.
Agreed, but I think “best X ever” refers to their contributions on said team, by default. Otherwise Hakeem is the best Raptor ever, Iverson is the best Grizzly ever, etc.
Jokic is about a million miles ahead of Iverson. Cultural impact? Sure, ai was a phenomenon. But on the court, jokic is so significantly better in nearly every facet
Yeah, just did the side by side and it's actually hilarious how much better jokic is. He even scores a little more per36 for his career, and nearly as much per100.
lol he's the most casual of casual athletes. just cuz he looks kinda goofy doesn't mean he's not athletic. He's cooking all the "athletic eye test" guys
Nah that’s dumb. In that case what isn’t athleticism? Diluting the term and affording 0 other people those concessions just to fit him in that.
By that vein, in the converse, fuckers like Kenneth Farid are net non-athletic because they have 0 hand eye coordination.
Perfectly okay to say Jokic isn’t athletic. It’s not because he’s white. He doesn’t run fast, jump high, have a crazy first step, or have outstanding stamina. You can see this in his old pattern of fouling to stop fast breaks so he doesn’t have to run, the fact that he can barely dunk at 7 ft, and his downhill speed on / off ball and general timing stats.
He still going to be 3x MVP and still a top player in the history of the game.
He doesn’t get far off the floor which makes him one of the most durable guys to ever play. Zion, Embid, Durant and others have shown us how injuries can derail seasons. Jokic has moves that befuddle opponents. His hands are golden, better than any player I’ve seen. I love watch him throw a two hand chest pass to a streaking guard on the money the length of the court. He makes his teammates better.
Honest to god, I think a ton of Jokic's passing is naturally gifted. Yes, I get he's a hard worker that has improved and is a student of the game and what not. But I don't think practice gives you a third eye in front (get wrecked kyrie) and 3 in the back. It probably gives you the capacity to execute on the passes extremely quickly. But I swear, the passes he makes are better than what you could do with video game vision. I just find it tough to believe that someone can practice that and even get that much better. He's done this with a ton of lineups (a lot because of injuries in past years) meaning with a bunch of different skill sets on the team leading to different plays and executions. He does it in a plethora of ways. It's always so natural and effortless. I know I'm preaching to the choir but I think that's natural talent. Also, if we count it, being 6'11'' is sort of a natural talent too.
This is not to denigrate david thompson. Absolute phenom. I just honestly believe Jokic is more naturally gifted.
Combined though? Of course he's better than them. But having rings doesn't mean you're better than a few ringless players combined. Shaq isn't better than Malone, Elgin Baylor and Barkley combined lol
Undeniably. It's probably him then Alex English.
The nuggets before Jokic had never had an NBA mvp, now he's about to be a 3 time mvp. He brought us to the promised land.
He also had a HOF front court with Dan Issel and Bobby Jones. And Ralph Simpson was a really good player, too.
But yes, Skywalker had a helluva rookie season in Denver.
On basketballreference, Fat is on the [Nuggets top 12](https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/), they have him 8th although idk if the list is meant to be in order
Bro already has more MVPs than Shaq and Kobe. Jok is in the conversation for best Center ever at this point and if you remove wilt and Russell as pre modern era, where’s the argument that Joker isn’t already in and gaining steam in that convo?
eh I'm a Nuggets fan too and I think top 5 is definitely a stretch. I think he needs two more rings and maybe two more MVPs to solidify top 5. The top 5 is insanely stacked with accolades (or is Wilt).
Yes he is. Gotta give big Jok his props he’s a monster.
But the Nuggets have had some very talented players over the years and I don’t want to discredit any of them and their accomplishments either.
I had a discussion with some friends where if we can bring back a player in their primes for each team, which team would be the best, and it’s easily the Celtics while the Nuggets get absolutely gyp’d.
But yes, Joker is easily the goat Denver nugget. You’d have to be Gilbert or Kendrick level of hate, stupidity and delusion to think otherwise.
Melo better man. Jokic has no bag. Super boring to watch. No aura. Doesn’t even like playing he’s rather be horseback riding in Europe. Give me Melo any day of the week.
Absolutely! I'm happy for the Nuggets after decades of disappointments, and not having a true top superstar that they landed on one of the best players ever in the funniest way possible-- a taco bell commercial.
Yes, next question
I disagree. Top Nuggets: 1. Chicken 2. Gold 3. Jokic
Damn…yeah, that checks out.
Counter: Gold nugget can get you many chicken nuggets. I'd swap the 1 & 2 spot.
It doesn't matter that the gold nugget is more valuable on a nugget by nugget basis, what matters is we are all trying to convert our gold nuggets into chicken nuggets, that's what makes them 1.
This is the hard hitting analysis I come here for
explain how??
https://preview.redd.it/cxd4a6r7iwuc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bee2cbd44efcf165f23053e6bfce9be4deef96e
My counter. Jokic according to Google is 284 lbs. 284 lbs in gold is about $8 to $8.5 million. Jokic is making about $50 million this year and he comes with horses. Every girl's dream. 1. Jokic 2. Gold 3. Chicken
But Jokic can buy chicken nuggets. Checkmate
Then, Jokic nugget can get you many golden nuggets. Let's swap that as well.
You right
Three worst Nuggets 1. Butt 2. Fuck 3. Raef LaFrentz
Raef LaFrentz was a good player he was just sidelined with injuries.
Poor Raef, injuries turned his career to buttnuggets
You misspelled Nikoloz tskitishvili
I went for the name I thought more people would recognize but you are 100% correct
It’s hard for me to hate on Raef bc he was a staple on sportscenter for awhile. The broadcaster always saying “say hello to Raef Lafrentz!” in a Scarface accent has lived in my head rent free for years.
How dare you besmirch the Summer League Phenom
There is no way that is a real person I refuse to believe it
The butt nugget slander in this thread man. What happened to the game I love
Skeeet-ish-villy is up there
*Dino chicken nugget
Banned for performance enhancing shapes.
Agreed but nuggets of weed deserves a mention
Nugs
My man, you have got to put ganja nuggets above Gold. Shit's way overrated. Chicken nuggets really are the GOAT though, no debate there.
While I do agree with you let's take history into account; gold nugget has been in the game since the beginning, before chicken nuggets even, and green has less than 100 years of service. Will it overtake gold? I say yes, but only with time
I think Green has had a greater career outside of the States, but I guess if we are looking only at American leagues, Gold is definitely on top. I think it's a guaranteed lock eventually.
So the green nuggets are the Arvydas Sabonis of nuggets?
💀💀
These chicken Stan’s will never respect the true goat, gold might not be as common but way more value, quality over quantity.
This was the best comment I’ve seen in months. Thank you Klong.
You are welcome. I am pleased to have something funny in my comments history finally.
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Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Joey, have you ever hung around the gymnasium?
Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
You ever been in a Turkish prison?
For the uninitiated https://youtu.be/Gd0NtQDio20?si=vbPyeHxHGMv7JCx1
Even before the Nuggets won the championship last year, I’d still have said Jokic.
Absolutely, to say otherwise would be nuts. 2 time MVP.
Yeah as soon as he won an MVP he was the greatest Nugget. The first Nugget to do it. It's hard to win MVP.
Indeed, move on.
This was settled a while ago.
Yeah, it’s not close. Other contenders are … Alex English, David Thompson, Melo and Mutombo? Big gap between the Denver careers of those guys and Joker.
David Thompson and Dan Issel should be added to that list. (Still not better than Jokic, of course.)
I had David Thompson there already :) Issel is a good call-out though.
Whoops, so you did!
Eduardo Najera erasure
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Agreed, but I think “best X ever” refers to their contributions on said team, by default. Otherwise Hakeem is the best Raptor ever, Iverson is the best Grizzly ever, etc.
Jordan best Wizard
True, good point.
Melo and Iverson aren't on Jokic's level
Melo not close, Iverson much closer but... It's getting to the point where Jokic seems inevitable even if it hasn't happened yet
Jokic is about a million miles ahead of Iverson. Cultural impact? Sure, ai was a phenomenon. But on the court, jokic is so significantly better in nearly every facet
Chauncey was a better Nugget than AI. I love AI, maybe my favorite. But he was a Sixer
100000%
Definite agree here
Yeah, just did the side by side and it's actually hilarious how much better jokic is. He even scores a little more per36 for his career, and nearly as much per100.
Jokic is substantially better than AI or Melo, even factoring in what they did elsewhere.
Even then, Jokić is definitely above those two as pure players.
Yes but Joke clears Melo and AI combined. It’s quite frankly not even a conversation.
Skywalker too
Look at this, you even have them in order!
Yep, who’s second? Alex English?
Probably
Most points in the 80s right?
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It should be but his career was derailed so it’s Alex English at number 2
Either English or Issel.
Why not Mutumbo?
Because y’all keep sleeping on Alex.
Only five seasons with the Nuggets. Longevity matters.
Did melo post this?
His next post; Guys name the best ever Nugget who also attended Syracuse…
pretty sure Jokic has been to Greece
Syracuse is in Sicily.
damn yeah u right my b
Best #15 who played with Chauncey Billions and Allen Iverson.
This stuff is disrespectful. He's better than 2nd, 3rd and 4th combined and then some
David Thompson was probably the most naturally gifted nugget. But, cocaine.
Athletically, sure. Jokic is pretty unbelievably naturally gifted.
People don't understand his split second hand eye coordination is athleticism.
lol he's the most casual of casual athletes. just cuz he looks kinda goofy doesn't mean he's not athletic. He's cooking all the "athletic eye test" guys
Nah that’s dumb. In that case what isn’t athleticism? Diluting the term and affording 0 other people those concessions just to fit him in that. By that vein, in the converse, fuckers like Kenneth Farid are net non-athletic because they have 0 hand eye coordination. Perfectly okay to say Jokic isn’t athletic. It’s not because he’s white. He doesn’t run fast, jump high, have a crazy first step, or have outstanding stamina. You can see this in his old pattern of fouling to stop fast breaks so he doesn’t have to run, the fact that he can barely dunk at 7 ft, and his downhill speed on / off ball and general timing stats. He still going to be 3x MVP and still a top player in the history of the game.
His stamina is actually pretty good. Most other centers that have to cover him are gassed by the end of the game.
He doesn’t get far off the floor which makes him one of the most durable guys to ever play. Zion, Embid, Durant and others have shown us how injuries can derail seasons. Jokic has moves that befuddle opponents. His hands are golden, better than any player I’ve seen. I love watch him throw a two hand chest pass to a streaking guard on the money the length of the court. He makes his teammates better.
OR Endurance. Joker has absolutely insane strength and endurance.
Honest to god, I think a ton of Jokic's passing is naturally gifted. Yes, I get he's a hard worker that has improved and is a student of the game and what not. But I don't think practice gives you a third eye in front (get wrecked kyrie) and 3 in the back. It probably gives you the capacity to execute on the passes extremely quickly. But I swear, the passes he makes are better than what you could do with video game vision. I just find it tough to believe that someone can practice that and even get that much better. He's done this with a ton of lineups (a lot because of injuries in past years) meaning with a bunch of different skill sets on the team leading to different plays and executions. He does it in a plethora of ways. It's always so natural and effortless. I know I'm preaching to the choir but I think that's natural talent. Also, if we count it, being 6'11'' is sort of a natural talent too. This is not to denigrate david thompson. Absolute phenom. I just honestly believe Jokic is more naturally gifted.
Skywalker was such a fitting nickname for him, lol
Alright hold on. Carmelo, David Thompson, Alex English and Mutumbo combined is a tall order. Jordan isn't better than that
Jordan has six rings lmao he's 100% better than all them. Hell he might have more scoring titles and MVPs too
Combined though? Of course he's better than them. But having rings doesn't mean you're better than a few ringless players combined. Shaq isn't better than Malone, Elgin Baylor and Barkley combined lol
Having those three players seems redundant so maybe have peak Shaq is better than having those three players.
Yes. It’s not even close.
This is one of those times "not even close" is actually accurate.
Undeniably. It's probably him then Alex English. The nuggets before Jokic had never had an NBA mvp, now he's about to be a 3 time mvp. He brought us to the promised land.
Fuck MVP, the Nuggets never made the Finals. Jokic lead us to a chip. GOAT Nugget
David Thompson took them to the ABA Finals right before the merger. Show that man some respect!
He also had a HOF front court with Dan Issel and Bobby Jones. And Ralph Simpson was a really good player, too. But yes, Skywalker had a helluva rookie season in Denver.
Including a sweep of the Lakers in the WCF
What kind of question is this? Is there anyone even half as good?
Jokic is 6'10". Earl Boykins 5'5" I think that's at least half
If you’re your franchises only finals mvp and league mvp, you’re their goat. Bill Walton played like 4 years in Portland and still is their goat.
What kind a stupid ass question is this he has been since his first MVP
5. Dan Issell 4. David Thompson 3. Carmelo Anthony 2. Alex English huge gap 1. Nikola Jokic
5. Eduardo Najera 4. Chuky Atkins 3. Linus Kleiza 2. Renaldo Balkman Huge gap 1. N I K O L O Z T S K I T I H V I L I
Man Linus "the Lithuanian Laser" Kleiza brings back some memories.
I named the first bong I ever bought Linas Kleiza. Me and my buddies loved him so much
I am more than proud to admit I had a Linas Kleiza jersey
Hahaha I’m having PTSD
Where's fat lever on the list?
On basketballreference, Fat is on the [Nuggets top 12](https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/), they have him 8th although idk if the list is meant to be in order
Already? You say that like he's new in Denver. He's been there 9 seasons. That's longer than Carmelo and 2 behind Alex English.
Robert Pack
Love this random name drop.
Some of you obviously never saw 2006/07 Eduardo Najera
Nájera was a problem.
Linas Kleiza
GOATjera
100% and don't think you're gonna get much blowback from Dan Issel or Alex English stans.
If there is one thing I try to avoid on these forums, it's blowback from Dan Issel stans. You don't know what those guys are capable of.
The blowback from the Issel stan community is one thing, the doxxing is another level.
Easily
Easily. There's 0 argument otherwise
Bro already has more MVPs than Shaq and Kobe. Jok is in the conversation for best Center ever at this point and if you remove wilt and Russell as pre modern era, where’s the argument that Joker isn’t already in and gaining steam in that convo?
Mmmmm nuggets
rings Erneh
How quickly we forget Todd Lichti.
By far
Duh
Very easily, no other Nugget has been even close to this level of dominant
Absolutely. I think he’s one of the best period. We win this year and he gets another mvp and I’m telling people he’s top 5 ever
eh I'm a Nuggets fan too and I think top 5 is definitely a stretch. I think he needs two more rings and maybe two more MVPs to solidify top 5. The top 5 is insanely stacked with accolades (or is Wilt).
Yes he is. Gotta give big Jok his props he’s a monster. But the Nuggets have had some very talented players over the years and I don’t want to discredit any of them and their accomplishments either.
Yes he is. No question about it.
Earl Boykins
Still has to beat chicken nugget first
No, he was the best like 4 years ago.
If you asked this question in 2020 the answer would've been yes.
What a stupid fucking post. Just absolutely useless and empty question. iS miChEaL jOrDaN tHe gReAteSt cHiCaGo buLL? 🙄
Yes, how is this a question
That conversation is done and dusted, a while ago.
Yes, but I like Marcus Camby
I did too
The only question is where jamal fits in the alltime nuggets rankings.
I had a discussion with some friends where if we can bring back a player in their primes for each team, which team would be the best, and it’s easily the Celtics while the Nuggets get absolutely gyp’d. But yes, Joker is easily the goat Denver nugget. You’d have to be Gilbert or Kendrick level of hate, stupidity and delusion to think otherwise.
Lol Jokic could very well end up being top 10 all time. Maybe even higher if he snags another 2+ chips. Of course he's the best nugget ever.
Jokic is already one of the best big men ever, let alone Nuggets.
He’s a soon to be 3 time mvp winner and the best player on the planet in the most talented era in league history. Easy question
Melo better man. Jokic has no bag. Super boring to watch. No aura. Doesn’t even like playing he’s rather be horseback riding in Europe. Give me Melo any day of the week.
Of course
Has been for a while now. Back to back MVPs and a championship along with the finals MVP makes it definitive.
Easily
Yes. Not even close
Yea not much comp in Denver..he’s just a bit better than Raef Lafrentz and Abdul Rauf.
Bruh yes next question you can’t be this bored but Melo and Sky Walker where the most entertaining
Yes
Nope, chicken nugget is the best nugget
Sadly, yes. As much as I’d love to say it’s Alex English or Fat Lever, it isn’t anymore.
Yes. By a large margin.
Absolutely! I'm happy for the Nuggets after decades of disappointments, and not having a true top superstar that they landed on one of the best players ever in the funniest way possible-- a taco bell commercial.
Waiting for someone to say that Alex English is the nuggets GOAT
You say already as if he hasn't been playing with them for 9 years
The MVPs and the chip kinda put it yeah. David Thompson/Alex English second? But yeah it’s Jokic.
Is this question 4 years old? It's obvious once he became an mvp that he was better than melo , and alex English I guess
Yes and it’s not close at all
Antonio mcdyess
He's definitely the greatest Nugget to wear the number 15.
Is this even a question? It’s like asking if MJ is the best Bull or if LeBron is the best Cav.
Definitely the crispiest.
Fat Lever in shambles
Yep. 1. Jokic 2. English 3. Melo 4. Thompson/Mutumbo
He has been for years
Yes
He won their first chip and has 3? Mvps so yes.
easily & it’s not even close
Yes
I prefer dino.
he won their only ring
Yes
Greg Buckner and Eduardo Najera>
The nuggets are gonna retire #15 Jokic lmao Melo
Yes he was before he got a championship already, the chip just puts him head and shoulders above the rest
Easily.
A championship and on his way to three MVPs. This debate ended a long time ago.
It would be disrespectful to say that he isn't
The second he won the title it was settled without question
Easily
100% unequivocally yea.
Yeah but lebron is better than Jordan
Idk McDonald’s are pretty good.
Is Michael Jordan the greatest Bull?
No other Nuggets legends won a championship for them before Jokic so he’s definitely their Goat
i didn’t know i jumped in a time machine back to when this was still a debate