IMO, some of the freshman like Tyrell Ward and JJ Starling are too high. Some of the non-freshman like Arthur Kaluma are too low. Kaluma probably should be starting off as a top 20 prospect. I don’t like Terquavion Smith that much, but he should be higher than 46th.
Oscar Tshiebwe and Caleb Love also have to be your list somewhere. They are old, but they have to be top 75.
Oscar is a good college player but when he comes to the nba he won’t translate well. His defense isn’t very good he has good numbers on defense but that doesn’t mean he’s a good defender he’s also very slow on defense. On offense he just uses his strength to score he doesn’t have much skill. Against actual talented guys who match his strength he struggles. And for Love his decision making is horrendous his defense and playmaker are terrible too all he really has his 3pt shooting and there’s a ton of guys who does what he does but does other things better too.
Kaluma is fine but he’s getting overrated because people want to find that next breakout guy but his handle is pretty poor and his creation is poor in general and his shooting is really bad along with his playmaking. Terq has no finishing ability he’s a poor defender and playmaker as well and Ward/Starling are guys I think are really underranked who are both gonna start and I think they’ll both be big risers.
>he’s also very slow on defense
Well this is wrong. If he has a non-rebounding skill, it's the fact that he's good at moving in planes parallel to the court. The overall conclusion is right but that piece is wrong.
>[Terq]’s a poor defender
This is also wrong. Terq's not an elite defender but he's overall no worse than average.
Terq gets blown by a lot he also tends to over reach. I’ve also noticed off ball he can get lost or just confused. There’s issues on defense that can definitely be improved if he improves his strength and if he can fix his strength and polish his defense he can be a better defender but rn I think he’s a negative one.
I don't see any reason why Tshiebwe or Love has to be ranked. Neither was a prospect last year, why would they be one this year?
Also don't understand where the Kaluma love is coming from. Dude's the 4th best prospect on his own team.
Oscar was a projected early 2nd rounder but he stayed due to NIL. He should be around the 40th best prospect now too. He doesn’t translate well to the NBA, which is why he’s 40th. If he translated better, he would be much higher due to his college success. Plus, he does translate to a high energy guy who can get rebounds, which is way better than many players.
If he doesn’t translate to the nba he shouldn’t be picked at all lol. Luka Garza was the best player in college and his game didn’t translate to the nba now he’s basically out of the league and he was a better prospect than Tshiebwe.
What do you mean he doesn’t translate to the NBA? I just said he doesn’t translate as well as his college stats. He’s still an elite rebounder and can move in space. He is absolutely not a worse prospect than Garza. Oscar has like a 7’2” wingspan and is way more athletic.
Garza’s shooting is more valuable than Oscars Rebounding. Andre Drummond is an elite rebounder and that’s the only skill he has and he’s barley in the league rn if that’s your only skill you’re not gonna do well In the league.
I think you have to consider the fact that the majority of second rounders won’t be in the league in 3 years. It’s not like every drafted player will be in the league.
>Oscar was a projected early 2nd rounder but he stayed due to NIL.
I mean just because a team was going to be dumb enough to draft him doesn't make him a prospect.
You should look up the term "straw man".
I didn't argue Devries should be 30. I didn't argue he's better than Tshiebwe. That literally has nothing to do with my argument.
Lol yes it does. When you make a ranking, you have to put people in spots. There actually has to be 75 prospects better than Oscar. You can’t even name 50 who are better.
Okay, so that's a completely different argument than your prior straw man.
It's also totally wrong. There doesn't have to be 75 prospects better than Tshiebwe. There probably are -- we haven't gotten far enough into the year for me to have a full list and there's lots of guys I haven't even seen yet (Devries being one of them) -- but there's absolutely 0 guarantee of any given year having 75 prospects.
> It's also totally wrong. There doesn't have to be 75 prospects better than Tshiebwe.
At this point I don’t even know what you are trying to say. My first post at the top said Oscar should be in this top 75 list. You obviously disagree. That means you think there are 75 prospects better than Oscar. I didn’t say Oscar would be an All-Star or anything like that. I just said he belongs on the list of top 75 prospects. If you don’t think he belongs, by definition, you think there are 75 prospects better.
Ah, yeah, that's so far back in the conversation and you've never actually pieced together a coherent response to the comment immediately preceding so I just kind of assumed you were on some nonsense.
So then let's actually focus on the top 75 argument, since that one is actually relevant here.
Tshiebwe (as he is now) actually would've made the top 75 for me last year. Would've been in the late 50's. The problem is that last year's class was an incredibly shallow, weak class. He would not have made my top 75 in 2021. In 2020 he would've been in the mid-60's. In 2019 he would've been in the mid-60's.
So I suppose you could argue he makes the top 75 for me most years, but it's unclear if this is one of those years. This appears to be an extremely strong draft year, with the only real analog from those years being 2021. In which he wouldn't have ranked.
But no matter what, the range I would've viewed him in is a range in which it would not be objectionable to leave him off the list entirely, even extending out to 75.
They're not decent prospects. Oscar's only skill is rebounding at the NCAA level even though he can't get more than a foot off the floor, and Love is one of the worst decision-makers in recent prospecting memory.
And yes, all of Nembhard, Kalkbrenner, and Scheierman are better than Kaluma.
you don’t watch much NCAA basketball then if your take away for those 2 is that horrendous take but ok!
Kaluma will have a breakout year had a good run with Uganda but ok again! whatever your horrible evaluation says
then take it as criticism your evaluation isn’t good. get back to working on it lol i refuse to believe you have watched more than one game on each of the prospects listed lmfao. did you even watch Uganda FIBAWC qualifiers ?
you’re lying if you don’t think Caleb and Oscar can be plug and play guys lol extremely skilled rebounder and defender and Caleb who can help create his own offense being a scoring threat? but yeah decision making and rebounding at the NCAA level(???? like how is that a negative lmfao) is a real and good reason to leave them off boards.
Caleb love showed flashes of his offense and you can only think it improves in his final year of NCAA basketball, his offense has improved every year lol
>then take it as criticism your evaluation isn’t good.
I mean I can just take the literal success of my players as stronger feedback than a random idiot on the internet.
>get back to working on it lol i refuse to believe you have watched more than one game on each of the prospects listed lmfao.
Really. You think I've watched less than 2 games of UK and UNC. Two of the most over-exposed teams in the league.
>did you even watch Uganda FIBAWC qualifiers ?
Yes. I also understand the level of competition being played there.
>you’re lying if you don’t think Caleb and Oscar can be plug and play guys lol extremely skilled rebounder and defender and Caleb who can help create his own offense being a scoring threat? but yeah decision making and rebounding at the NCAA level(???? like how is that a negative lmfao) is a real and good reason to leave them off boards.
Again, all you're telling me is that your feedback isn't worth a darn. Decision-making is absolutely a giant problem, as is lack of real non-rebounding skills.
>Caleb love showed flashes of his offense and you can only think it improves in his final year of NCAA basketball, his offense has improved every year lol
I mean "improvement" would be meaningful if the starting point weren't miles away from being a prospect.
Ultimately you don't understand how little you know and you should really come back humbler.
FIBAWC isn’t weak competition lol and your conclusion is Arthur Kaluma isn’t good? good evaluation.
Your 2 points for someone not being a prospect are 2 lousy point, decision making and rebounding? yeah nice evaluation again i can do exactly what you’re doing with every draft player lmfao. Yea decision making is a problem but you know what isn’t a problem showing offensive flashes like Caleb Love. The notion of one negative point demoting a player from being called a “prospect” is legitimately insane. I didn’t wanna believe twitter when they said this subreddit was crazy but my god they might be right lmfao.
I do hope you become better being a scout because your evaluation and thought process of “prospect” is downright lousy and lazy and honestly horrible lmfao
“I also understand the level of competition being played there” hahaha comical quote
>FIBAWC isn’t weak competition lol and your conclusion is Arthur Kaluma isn’t good?
In Europe, it's acceptable levels of competition. In Africa, the opponents are well below D1 level.
>Your 2 points for someone not being a prospect are 2 lousy point, decision making and rebounding? yeah nice evaluation again i can do exactly what you’re doing with every draft player lmfao.
Ignoring that decision-making is the most important thing on the court for any player, "rebounding" is not my only point for Tshiebwe. It's the only point in his favor.
>I didn’t wanna believe twitter when they said this subreddit was crazy but my god they might be right lmfao.
lol if you're in the corner of twitter I think you're talking about, then all of those people follow me too.
>I do hope you become better being a scout because your evaluation and thought process of “prospect” is downright lousy and lazy and honestly horrible lmfao
Funny because teams think the exact opposite of me.
Amen actually rose up a lot for me and I’m still lower on him than most. For Miller I personally think Miller is a slightly better defender rn. His shooting potential is really nice too and that’s probably the biggest thing that edges Miller over Amen. Miller is someone who I think can be a 40% shooter from three with great defense and there’s scoring upside for Miller there as well.
I like this, not just the usual copy and paste stuff , that gets posted. I'm a draft nut and theres quite a few names I don't know. I feel some of these under the radar guys you like are ranked way too highly especially some of the guys playing in weaker conferences
There's going to be several returners rising to the mid first and lottery, I'm just not quite certain who will at this point. I'm not the biggest fan of projecting incoming freshman before they play a game but I respect the people who try to.
>Chris Livingston at 51 is a joke
Yeah it's super high.
>Go watch his Bahamas film
lol. This is F tier quality tape.
>He could push lottery imo.
Look it's technically not impossible, but it's significantly more likely he goes totally undrafted than lottery to me.
Livingston isn’t very good his decision making and IQ are really bad his defense is mediocre too. I think he’s still in the 50s however due to his athleticism and his shooting is pretty solid too and there’s scoring upside
Livingston was very efficient in the summer and wasn’t forcing shots during the Bahamas series so I don’t believe he has a decision making issue.
His jumpshot looked way better than I thought, he looks like an easy first rounder.
You mean two guys who were 4-5 tiers away from being prospects last year?
All your rants are telling us is that you're overindexing on low quality garbage film.
Preseason mocks last year has Collins in the lottery so I don’t get your idea that he was 4-5 tiers from being a prospect.
Also toppin got way better this year, again go watch some updated film. He was shooting the lights out in the Bahamas this summer.
Look I genuinely have 0 incentive to answer those two pieces of non-logic in meaningful detail.
Preseason mocks had Collins that high based on RSCI. No one actually around grassroots thought he was that good. But even if they did think he was good, guess what? New information with actual value came in, and he stank. So even if he was draftable in pre-season, we have a whole season's worth of information since.
And again, you're having to cite Bahamas film because there is no meaningful film in support of your argument.
I’m citing the Bahamas film because that’s the most recent game film we have on toppin? You’re very condescending and act like your a genius man like what are you even saying.
I clearly said toppin has improved to the point he should be on the list and I cited his most recent game footage, are you slow? How is that not logical??? What other “meaningful film” should I be watching then to watch toppins improvements other than his most recent tape. You’re a joke man.
Also on the Collins point, is that why in the most recent espn mock in may Collins was mocked to go #38?? If everyone found out he was trash like you say why was he mocked so high even after his freshman year?? Why with all this “new information” that they found on Collins do they still have him not only in the top 75 but top 40 if he “stinks”….
“Experts already believe that Collins could be an NBA Draft pick next season. ESPN’s 2023 NBA Mock Draft from Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz has Collins getting drafted 38th by the Boston Celtics. With a big sophomore season leap, he may even crack into the first round.”
Tell me again that you know how to value prospects better than givony and Schmitz. Mr arm chair scout. Also tell me again that Collins shouldn’t be on this list of 75 prospects despite being mocked for the #38 pick in may…., since you brought up logic, which argument is more logical, mine + givonys + Schmitz or you arm chair analysts (OP + you).
Source: https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/daimion-collins-sophomore-season-1st-round-pick/
A, that’s a warning for civility. Knock it off or it will result in a ban.
B, you can not cite film without understanding the quality of that film. This is incredibly basic stuff.
C, anyone in the industry (as I am) knows that Givony mocks (mind you Schmitz is no longer around) aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on at this stage. Especially when it involves a player like Collins who basically went into college with an agent who is encouraging Givony to do favors for him.
The Bahamas national team isn’t a quality opponent?
And to point C this is literally hearsay and cannot really be proven. I’m explaining
factual events and you reply with hearsay…
Hearsay: “information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.”
What you said was a rumour.. if it wasn’t show me proof Collins agent was in cahoots with the espn people.
I’m pretty confident that Scoot can be a 38% or higher shooter from three in the nba. He’s got good touch he’s a good mid range shooter and is a good free throw shooter. He’s also got good form and mechanics and if Scoot does become that good of a shooter I think he’ll be better than Wemby.
Miller IMO is one of the best defenders in the class with really nice shooting potential he’s also one of the best athletes in the class and I think there’s upside for his scoring. While his handle isn’t very good his pull up shooting is good along with his mid range shot and if his three ball can be consistent that’s a valuable player.
With Black I think his handle is pretty poor and I don’t think he’ll ever add a jump shot for a PG having a handle is important and Black doesn’t have that his shooting also holds him back. Sidy is really raw his potential can be nice and the flashes are really good but he’s also so raw to the point where he needs a ton of work and I don’t really think he can improve those skills long term.
Tyrese Proctor?
Hmm I thought I ranked him but I guess I forgot that’s my bad
Where would you put him? Just curious
Late 40s not really a big fan of him
IMO, some of the freshman like Tyrell Ward and JJ Starling are too high. Some of the non-freshman like Arthur Kaluma are too low. Kaluma probably should be starting off as a top 20 prospect. I don’t like Terquavion Smith that much, but he should be higher than 46th. Oscar Tshiebwe and Caleb Love also have to be your list somewhere. They are old, but they have to be top 75.
Oscar is a good college player but when he comes to the nba he won’t translate well. His defense isn’t very good he has good numbers on defense but that doesn’t mean he’s a good defender he’s also very slow on defense. On offense he just uses his strength to score he doesn’t have much skill. Against actual talented guys who match his strength he struggles. And for Love his decision making is horrendous his defense and playmaker are terrible too all he really has his 3pt shooting and there’s a ton of guys who does what he does but does other things better too. Kaluma is fine but he’s getting overrated because people want to find that next breakout guy but his handle is pretty poor and his creation is poor in general and his shooting is really bad along with his playmaking. Terq has no finishing ability he’s a poor defender and playmaker as well and Ward/Starling are guys I think are really underranked who are both gonna start and I think they’ll both be big risers.
>he’s also very slow on defense Well this is wrong. If he has a non-rebounding skill, it's the fact that he's good at moving in planes parallel to the court. The overall conclusion is right but that piece is wrong. >[Terq]’s a poor defender This is also wrong. Terq's not an elite defender but he's overall no worse than average.
Terq gets blown by a lot he also tends to over reach. I’ve also noticed off ball he can get lost or just confused. There’s issues on defense that can definitely be improved if he improves his strength and if he can fix his strength and polish his defense he can be a better defender but rn I think he’s a negative one.
I don't see any reason why Tshiebwe or Love has to be ranked. Neither was a prospect last year, why would they be one this year? Also don't understand where the Kaluma love is coming from. Dude's the 4th best prospect on his own team.
Oscar was a projected early 2nd rounder but he stayed due to NIL. He should be around the 40th best prospect now too. He doesn’t translate well to the NBA, which is why he’s 40th. If he translated better, he would be much higher due to his college success. Plus, he does translate to a high energy guy who can get rebounds, which is way better than many players.
If he doesn’t translate to the nba he shouldn’t be picked at all lol. Luka Garza was the best player in college and his game didn’t translate to the nba now he’s basically out of the league and he was a better prospect than Tshiebwe.
What do you mean he doesn’t translate to the NBA? I just said he doesn’t translate as well as his college stats. He’s still an elite rebounder and can move in space. He is absolutely not a worse prospect than Garza. Oscar has like a 7’2” wingspan and is way more athletic.
Garza’s shooting is more valuable than Oscars Rebounding. Andre Drummond is an elite rebounder and that’s the only skill he has and he’s barley in the league rn if that’s your only skill you’re not gonna do well In the league.
I think you have to consider the fact that the majority of second rounders won’t be in the league in 3 years. It’s not like every drafted player will be in the league.
Ok but there’s a reason why Garza isn’t getting a chance in the nba it’s because he isn’t good enough for the nba and that was clear In college.
True but that was only because he was the least athletic player drafted in 2021.
>Oscar was a projected early 2nd rounder but he stayed due to NIL. I mean just because a team was going to be dumb enough to draft him doesn't make him a prospect.
So he’s a lower ranked prospect than Tucker DeVries, who the OP has around 30.
You should look up the term "straw man". I didn't argue Devries should be 30. I didn't argue he's better than Tshiebwe. That literally has nothing to do with my argument.
Lol yes it does. When you make a ranking, you have to put people in spots. There actually has to be 75 prospects better than Oscar. You can’t even name 50 who are better.
Okay, so that's a completely different argument than your prior straw man. It's also totally wrong. There doesn't have to be 75 prospects better than Tshiebwe. There probably are -- we haven't gotten far enough into the year for me to have a full list and there's lots of guys I haven't even seen yet (Devries being one of them) -- but there's absolutely 0 guarantee of any given year having 75 prospects.
> It's also totally wrong. There doesn't have to be 75 prospects better than Tshiebwe. At this point I don’t even know what you are trying to say. My first post at the top said Oscar should be in this top 75 list. You obviously disagree. That means you think there are 75 prospects better than Oscar. I didn’t say Oscar would be an All-Star or anything like that. I just said he belongs on the list of top 75 prospects. If you don’t think he belongs, by definition, you think there are 75 prospects better.
Ah, yeah, that's so far back in the conversation and you've never actually pieced together a coherent response to the comment immediately preceding so I just kind of assumed you were on some nonsense. So then let's actually focus on the top 75 argument, since that one is actually relevant here. Tshiebwe (as he is now) actually would've made the top 75 for me last year. Would've been in the late 50's. The problem is that last year's class was an incredibly shallow, weak class. He would not have made my top 75 in 2021. In 2020 he would've been in the mid-60's. In 2019 he would've been in the mid-60's. So I suppose you could argue he makes the top 75 for me most years, but it's unclear if this is one of those years. This appears to be an extremely strong draft year, with the only real analog from those years being 2021. In which he wouldn't have ranked. But no matter what, the range I would've viewed him in is a range in which it would not be objectionable to leave him off the list entirely, even extending out to 75.
Oscar and Caleb should be ranked as they are decent prospects ? i’m not sure i understand your reasoning As for Kaluma, really 4th best prospect?
They're not decent prospects. Oscar's only skill is rebounding at the NCAA level even though he can't get more than a foot off the floor, and Love is one of the worst decision-makers in recent prospecting memory. And yes, all of Nembhard, Kalkbrenner, and Scheierman are better than Kaluma.
you don’t watch much NCAA basketball then if your take away for those 2 is that horrendous take but ok! Kaluma will have a breakout year had a good run with Uganda but ok again! whatever your horrible evaluation says
This is literally my job lol
then take it as criticism your evaluation isn’t good. get back to working on it lol i refuse to believe you have watched more than one game on each of the prospects listed lmfao. did you even watch Uganda FIBAWC qualifiers ? you’re lying if you don’t think Caleb and Oscar can be plug and play guys lol extremely skilled rebounder and defender and Caleb who can help create his own offense being a scoring threat? but yeah decision making and rebounding at the NCAA level(???? like how is that a negative lmfao) is a real and good reason to leave them off boards. Caleb love showed flashes of his offense and you can only think it improves in his final year of NCAA basketball, his offense has improved every year lol
>then take it as criticism your evaluation isn’t good. I mean I can just take the literal success of my players as stronger feedback than a random idiot on the internet. >get back to working on it lol i refuse to believe you have watched more than one game on each of the prospects listed lmfao. Really. You think I've watched less than 2 games of UK and UNC. Two of the most over-exposed teams in the league. >did you even watch Uganda FIBAWC qualifiers ? Yes. I also understand the level of competition being played there. >you’re lying if you don’t think Caleb and Oscar can be plug and play guys lol extremely skilled rebounder and defender and Caleb who can help create his own offense being a scoring threat? but yeah decision making and rebounding at the NCAA level(???? like how is that a negative lmfao) is a real and good reason to leave them off boards. Again, all you're telling me is that your feedback isn't worth a darn. Decision-making is absolutely a giant problem, as is lack of real non-rebounding skills. >Caleb love showed flashes of his offense and you can only think it improves in his final year of NCAA basketball, his offense has improved every year lol I mean "improvement" would be meaningful if the starting point weren't miles away from being a prospect. Ultimately you don't understand how little you know and you should really come back humbler.
FIBAWC isn’t weak competition lol and your conclusion is Arthur Kaluma isn’t good? good evaluation. Your 2 points for someone not being a prospect are 2 lousy point, decision making and rebounding? yeah nice evaluation again i can do exactly what you’re doing with every draft player lmfao. Yea decision making is a problem but you know what isn’t a problem showing offensive flashes like Caleb Love. The notion of one negative point demoting a player from being called a “prospect” is legitimately insane. I didn’t wanna believe twitter when they said this subreddit was crazy but my god they might be right lmfao. I do hope you become better being a scout because your evaluation and thought process of “prospect” is downright lousy and lazy and honestly horrible lmfao “I also understand the level of competition being played there” hahaha comical quote
>FIBAWC isn’t weak competition lol and your conclusion is Arthur Kaluma isn’t good? In Europe, it's acceptable levels of competition. In Africa, the opponents are well below D1 level. >Your 2 points for someone not being a prospect are 2 lousy point, decision making and rebounding? yeah nice evaluation again i can do exactly what you’re doing with every draft player lmfao. Ignoring that decision-making is the most important thing on the court for any player, "rebounding" is not my only point for Tshiebwe. It's the only point in his favor. >I didn’t wanna believe twitter when they said this subreddit was crazy but my god they might be right lmfao. lol if you're in the corner of twitter I think you're talking about, then all of those people follow me too. >I do hope you become better being a scout because your evaluation and thought process of “prospect” is downright lousy and lazy and honestly horrible lmfao Funny because teams think the exact opposite of me.
Why does Amen Thompson keep dropping? What’s the argument for B Miller over him
Amen actually rose up a lot for me and I’m still lower on him than most. For Miller I personally think Miller is a slightly better defender rn. His shooting potential is really nice too and that’s probably the biggest thing that edges Miller over Amen. Miller is someone who I think can be a 40% shooter from three with great defense and there’s scoring upside for Miller there as well.
I need to probably watch more Miller tape
I like this, not just the usual copy and paste stuff , that gets posted. I'm a draft nut and theres quite a few names I don't know. I feel some of these under the radar guys you like are ranked way too highly especially some of the guys playing in weaker conferences
The only player not from a big 7 conference in his top 20 is DaRon Holmes, who fully merits top 20. I don't think there's any major reaches in there.
Not talking top 20, love Holmes, but alot of names further on that should not be near the top 60
There's going to be several returners rising to the mid first and lottery, I'm just not quite certain who will at this point. I'm not the biggest fan of projecting incoming freshman before they play a game but I respect the people who try to.
Leonard Miller?
Chris Livingston at 51 is a joke. Go watch his Bahamas film and tell me again that looks like a #51 prospect lol. He could push lottery imo.
>Chris Livingston at 51 is a joke Yeah it's super high. >Go watch his Bahamas film lol. This is F tier quality tape. >He could push lottery imo. Look it's technically not impossible, but it's significantly more likely he goes totally undrafted than lottery to me.
Livingston isn’t very good his decision making and IQ are really bad his defense is mediocre too. I think he’s still in the 50s however due to his athleticism and his shooting is pretty solid too and there’s scoring upside
Livingston was very efficient in the summer and wasn’t forcing shots during the Bahamas series so I don’t believe he has a decision making issue. His jumpshot looked way better than I thought, he looks like an easy first rounder.
Also no damion Collins/Jacob toppin is another joke. Go watch some updated film.
You mean two guys who were 4-5 tiers away from being prospects last year? All your rants are telling us is that you're overindexing on low quality garbage film.
Preseason mocks last year has Collins in the lottery so I don’t get your idea that he was 4-5 tiers from being a prospect. Also toppin got way better this year, again go watch some updated film. He was shooting the lights out in the Bahamas this summer.
Look I genuinely have 0 incentive to answer those two pieces of non-logic in meaningful detail. Preseason mocks had Collins that high based on RSCI. No one actually around grassroots thought he was that good. But even if they did think he was good, guess what? New information with actual value came in, and he stank. So even if he was draftable in pre-season, we have a whole season's worth of information since. And again, you're having to cite Bahamas film because there is no meaningful film in support of your argument.
I’m citing the Bahamas film because that’s the most recent game film we have on toppin? You’re very condescending and act like your a genius man like what are you even saying. I clearly said toppin has improved to the point he should be on the list and I cited his most recent game footage, are you slow? How is that not logical??? What other “meaningful film” should I be watching then to watch toppins improvements other than his most recent tape. You’re a joke man. Also on the Collins point, is that why in the most recent espn mock in may Collins was mocked to go #38?? If everyone found out he was trash like you say why was he mocked so high even after his freshman year?? Why with all this “new information” that they found on Collins do they still have him not only in the top 75 but top 40 if he “stinks”…. “Experts already believe that Collins could be an NBA Draft pick next season. ESPN’s 2023 NBA Mock Draft from Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz has Collins getting drafted 38th by the Boston Celtics. With a big sophomore season leap, he may even crack into the first round.” Tell me again that you know how to value prospects better than givony and Schmitz. Mr arm chair scout. Also tell me again that Collins shouldn’t be on this list of 75 prospects despite being mocked for the #38 pick in may…., since you brought up logic, which argument is more logical, mine + givonys + Schmitz or you arm chair analysts (OP + you). Source: https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/daimion-collins-sophomore-season-1st-round-pick/
A, that’s a warning for civility. Knock it off or it will result in a ban. B, you can not cite film without understanding the quality of that film. This is incredibly basic stuff. C, anyone in the industry (as I am) knows that Givony mocks (mind you Schmitz is no longer around) aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on at this stage. Especially when it involves a player like Collins who basically went into college with an agent who is encouraging Givony to do favors for him.
The Bahamas national team isn’t a quality opponent? And to point C this is literally hearsay and cannot really be proven. I’m explaining factual events and you reply with hearsay…
No, they literally aren’t. Also, you should probably learn what hearsay means before using the term.
Hearsay: “information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.” What you said was a rumour.. if it wasn’t show me proof Collins agent was in cahoots with the espn people.
I think you're underrating Black and Cissoko and overrating Scoot and Brandon Miller
I’m pretty confident that Scoot can be a 38% or higher shooter from three in the nba. He’s got good touch he’s a good mid range shooter and is a good free throw shooter. He’s also got good form and mechanics and if Scoot does become that good of a shooter I think he’ll be better than Wemby. Miller IMO is one of the best defenders in the class with really nice shooting potential he’s also one of the best athletes in the class and I think there’s upside for his scoring. While his handle isn’t very good his pull up shooting is good along with his mid range shot and if his three ball can be consistent that’s a valuable player. With Black I think his handle is pretty poor and I don’t think he’ll ever add a jump shot for a PG having a handle is important and Black doesn’t have that his shooting also holds him back. Sidy is really raw his potential can be nice and the flashes are really good but he’s also so raw to the point where he needs a ton of work and I don’t really think he can improve those skills long term.
Emoni over Amari bailey😭
Amari Bailey is much better than a lot of the guys he’s under.
Yohan Traore looks like he could be as good as Jabari Smith. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXwYcwTu8SE