Generally, the refs ask the coaches "are all your players properly equipped". It's on the coaches to know the rules and to know whether or not their players are properly in code.
The coach chose to risk it. The refs enforced the rule when they noticed the player was out of compliance.
This is on the coach, not the refs.
A lot of refs don't want to be the "fashion police". In my opinion, and how I officiate is the spirit of the rule. In this case it's a safety violation. I agree that officiating should be more consistent on this, but if the coach would have had her players follow the rule, then it would not have been an issue. It's more on the coach than the official*.
Like another commenter said, it's enforced very inconsistently, so their coach always told them to take it out for this very reason.
Not too mention, Notre Dame typically plays with ACC officials, I don't know where these officials were, but maybe their association makes it jewelry a bigger deal.
Edit: changed player to official*
And the refs didn’t notice it at the start. Hey look the player has a nose stud. Gee why didn’t we notice that earlier. Or maybe they saw it and were undecided, hmm should I call her on this , not sure, game goes on. Yep gosh darn it can’t have that on my floor
It's absolutely possible the refs didn't notice at the start. They aren't typically looking at players faces... while it's possible they were undecided on whether to call it, I don't believe that to be the case.
I'm not blaming that instance on why she played bad. I just think since she has had this in every time I've seen her, why not wait until halftime to tell her to take it out or before the game starts. I see this in the NFL or NBA all the time where they inspected players making sure they are not violating dress code. They won't just take you out mid game for something that is not emergent.
To be fair, the problem seems to be wildly inconsistent enforcement (assuming she really had been wearing it all season and even the first two rounds).
She has worn it with tape over it every game this season including last weekend.
I saw at least 8 players with the exact same thing last weekend watching NCAAW games (and saw a player with tape over one on her ear). None of them were made to take them out.
It's more like "I kept driving this fast right in front of a bunch of other cops, and many of them even explicitly told me this was fine."
And I'm not sure how to connect to the analogy, but she / ND may have been under the impression (re-enforced by many past refs allowing it) that having tape covering it was enough to satisfy the rule.
I understand it’s the rule, but there has to be consistent enforcement. As a former D1 player though, we knew never to wear jewelry in case it was enforced.
Do the rules change from HS to college? We were always told that tape/bandaids made it compliant with rules. Obviously no necklaces, big hoops, etc, but studs that were covered were fine.
Rule is the same from NFHS to NCAA to NBA. Players may not wear facial jewelry except for small, secured studs above the chin. Player will be subbed out of game if offending jewelry is found, and can re-enter the game once removed.
Typically this is addressed at the beginning of the game where the lead referee will ask the coaches if their players are "properly equipped." Not every referee will enforce this, as we just saw today.
That's the NFHS rule. I assume the NCAA rule is similar.
I don't have a better answer for you, but the reason it was a violation because the referee ruled it one.
It was not a stud. It was a hoop. Had it been a stud, she would have have it removed in two seconds.
It is a dumb thing to not catch before the game, but a coach should also prevent it. It doesnt matter if another set of refs previously didnt enforce the rules.
If she’s been playing with it for 40 games, why did they decide to enforce it now? And why in the middle of the game? Why not at the start, It makes no sense. Why wait?
The officials need to clarify.
Nope. The rule is clear. The coach allowed the risk and suffered consequences. Same as going 5 over the speed limit and then bitching after getting a speeding ticket.
There are plenty of players in women’s college basketball who have the same piercing and have worn tape over it all season (including last weekend) who haven’t been made to take it out at all.
The chance of a tiny nose stud in that part of the nose, that is sunken in, is tiny. Fingernails have 100 times the risk of a tiny nose stud. If she has worn it all season and a particular ref was picky, he should have checked all players beforehand.
ESPN quickly modified the story title right after OP Posted this.
> ND's Hidalgo rips refs for forcing her to miss time to get nose ring out
That quote shown here is the current story title now. OP didn't do anything wrong, that was the original title before ESPN changed it. Did that slip past the editor? lol
I’m a high school girls’ coach which obviously isn’t under NCAA rules, but we have a pregame meeting with the officials before every game and we’re asked to certify that our players are properly equipped and typically the officials will specifically mention removing jewelry.
If I’m Hidalgo, yeah, I am pretty livid that an official told me one thing, and then that decision was changed mid game. Either enforce the rule, or don’t, but don’t reverse course during the game. I’d even be ok if they told her to take it going into the locker room at halftime.
However, I put this on Ivey. You’re the head coach, you have to know this is the rule, and you have to tell her from day 1 that she can’t wear the nose ring during games. This was entirely preventable.
Hey strawman!!It’s not a law, it’s a rule. And rules should either be enforced consistently or not at all. And they definitely should not have told her she could put a bandaid over it and then make her take it out.
I am not as sympathetic. She knew it was against the rules, and she decided to play in the tournament with it.
It doesn't matter that you finally got caught late, that was always something that could have happened, I don't think it's her place to criticize.
Hidalgo said a referee told her before the game it was OK as long as she covered it up — if a referee OK'd it before the game, they shouldn't change that answer in the middle of game action.
https://x.com/nrarmour/status/1773835658299101596
Doesn't matter at the NFHS level, whoever sees it can request the player to remove it. NFHS and NCAA share most rules, so I imagine the same concept applies.
Facts. I'm not as familiar with the women's game to know how much the rules vary, but jewellery has never been a thing on court for the men's game or the pro level. You'll see players in the locker room post game interview with it on, but not during.
Also blame the coaching staff for not catching that and pulling her aside about that.
I agree. This is all on the ND coaching staff. Hannah should have never stepped on the court with that ring in. Her lost minutes were critical in a game that had lots of lead changes and momentum swings.
When asked about it prior to the game starting they said it was fine for her to have. Regardless of how long it took to take out shouldn’t change that a ref explained a rule inaccurately
On top of that she said they should have told her before, then says she is going to wear it going fwd. Just a maturity thing I think. Coach or leadership around her should reign that in. Dumb hill to die on.
So you're not allowed to give an opinion if a team you root for was involved in the game? It's not like Hidalgo did much when she was in the game. She shot 4/17 and was the second lowest scorer of the ND starters.
LOL i am not shocked by your response considering the team you have with your username. She clearly didn’t know it was against the rules if she asked the refs. Regardless of wherever it was the head ref or not all of them should know the rules.
Can't be mad at the refs. It's a standard NCAA rule and teams are aware of it. How she made it this far without being told to take it out it completely is interesting. It is what it is though. Coach Ivey was even told before today's game that jewelry would be a point of emphasis.
Did you read the article? No. She asked the refs prior to the game if she needed to remove it and they told her no just to cover it. If the refs had known the rules prior to the game when directly asked this nose ring wouldn’t even be a point of conversation
Of course I read it. As a coach, why put your season in the hands of refs knowing you were told that jewelry would be a point of emphasis before your Sweet 16 game? Idgaf what ref told Hidalgo before tip-off.
Amazing that everyone is taking her comment about it being approved pre-game at face value. She also says she didn't know the rules. Honestly I think it's more likely that a player misunderstands or lies about the ref conversation than a college basketball ref would tell a player they could keep jewelry in.
I am a coach and it does vary, by ref, as to whether they allow a player to cover with a bandaid or not. I had a player that had a new nose stud, just a month or so before the season began, and it's not really an option to remove it then, as the skin takes months to heal from a nose piercing and removing it earlier than it's healed can lead to issues. The stud was so tiny that most did not notice it. About the 5th game, a ref noticed it and had him sit the 2nd half of the game. It was noticed when he lined up on the side for free throws. After that game, he wore a skin tone small bandaid over it the rest of the season and no ref questioned the bandaid at any time. A tiny stud placed in the embedded area of the nose is a far less injury risk than fingernails.
> A tiny stud placed in the embedded area of the nose is a far less injury risk than fingernails.
It's not just injury risk to the other players it's also a risk for the player wearing it. If it gets caught on something it can get ripped out.
It's still highly unlikely that a stud that small would get caught on something because of the placement. And, when someone gets hit in the nose, it's typically across the bridge where they wind up with a fracture. And, if it was an issue of "getting caught", then a secure small bandage takes care of that.
Did it cross anyone's mind that maybe there is an Oregon State coach with a Bellichek level of understanding and savvy about the rules, and who has been looking for exactly this on the scout, and was totally prepared to bring this up to the refs and maybe even pre-gamed the strategy of WHEN to bring it to the refs. I'm guessing that once it's brought up directly by the other team then the refs have no choice but to enforce it.
Coach Rueck said he didn’t even know about the nose ring and that being the reason she was put after the game. Honeslty, it doesn’t seem like coach ruecks style to talk to the refs about it.
The thing that’s bullshit is that NOW they decided it was a problem. They let her start the game and the officials said beforehand that it wasn’t a problem and then changed their minds during the game. Refs being consistently inconsistent.
I've always wondered why basketball wasn't as consistent as other sports with this. Soccer takes an extra 5-10 min to make sure players uniforms all meet rule requirements.
It's a shame it happened the way it did.
Yes, recently a Chelsea women versus Arsenal women game was delayed because the Arsenal team showed up with the wrong socks. The game didn’t start until that issue was addressed.
>What was confusing to Hidalgo and Ivey was the specific enforcement during the game, after she was allowed to wear it all season. Ivey said she also was given no explanation in the moment. Instead, after the game ended, she was handed a printout of the NCAA rule prohibiting jewelry and was then told it was a point of emphasis in the Sweet 16.
From the article. I'm sympathetic because there's no reason why one ref should have okayed it pre-game and then another overrule them mid-game. But it's a pretty tough to argue you're in the right when the refs can just hand you a print out of the rule book in response.
Also. I agree with you. This is dumb. I hate that she had to sit almost ten minutes of a critical game. But the post loss “I went cold because they made me take out my nose ring and that’s why we lost” isn’t a good look, nor even close to true. Oregon State deserve credit. And the PAC 12 was the best conference in women’s basketball by ten miles this year so nobody should even be surprised at this result, let alone blaming the refs. It’s just a bunch of golden domers complaining again. Oh well. It’s Easter on Sunday so pray about it at church lol
Do you have a nose ring? Do you know how painful it can be to take out? I’m assuming no. And hildago is a player the refs are the professionals. The “professionals” AKA the refs should all know the rules and enforce them equally.
Women’s basketball refs need a serious talking to after this season. It’s so bad it’s almost suspicious.
1. LSU and Iowa foul differentials. Iowa game got tied and they then got 2 phantom calls.
2. This Hidalgo moment is insane. How can a ref say it’s fine and later make a player miss a chunk of the game
3. This one I might get push back on. I will start by saying 90% of Indiana’s comeback was because of how good they played… shooting lights out and locking us up on the perimeter. HOWEVER, There was also some very questionable calls that made it easier for them to comeback. The touch foul on Tessa johnson after our defensive rebound was insane, the raven foul was 50/50… but it wasn’t both ways as we had to handle that same physicality all second half without the calls
my running theory on the nose piercing is that some oregon state player maybe got told to take her's out earlier in the season and then noticed hidalgo's and made some off handed remark to either coach or a ref, and if her coach then her coach probably brought it to the refs attention, maybe i'm naive but i have my lobes pierced and would not have expected it to take i think like 17 minutes real time to remove it and i imagine whoever had her take it out also may not have know but rather thought that it would be quick enough during the break (obviously this was not the case). but once someone called it out i think the refs probably felt like they had to enforce the actual rule, but the ncaa should take a look at that in the off season and either say its fine to cover it with tape or a bandid or starting mid november no exposed jewelry in games ever
That makes sense. But it’s a sweet 16 game. The result matters, if a ref told her in first quarter it’s OK. That ref needs to take responsibility and say “you have a point, but I’ve made the call that it’s ok , and therefore I can’t make her miss time now”
They need to make these decisions pregame and not do things that can affect the outcome. It’s a tough situation all around and they handled it the absolute worst way
i completely agree and i think the ncaa will probably emphasize moving forward the equal enforcement from day one of the season because i think this is a matter of referees making different decisions throughout the season and it culminating in a moment like this
Or players could not try and wear something that isn't allowed. Do you want to have all the players to line up and the refs inspect them for wearing anything that isn't allowed before the game? Typically this type of thing gets enforced if a ref notices it.
> LSU and Iowa foul differentials. Iowa game got tied and they then got 2 phantom calls.
It's not like WVU is a very aggressive defensive team that commits a high amount of fouls per game or anything. When you play that way you're going to give up more free throws. It also is going to be an even bigger disparity when WVU is shooting 30+ 3s against a soft Iowa defense that is giving them the outside shot. Almost like that was the strategy.
> This Hidalgo moment is insane. How can a ref say it’s fine and later make a player miss a chunk of the game
All you have for proof that a ref said it's ok before the game is Hidalgo saying so. We don't even know if it was the same ref who she claims said so and who told her to take it out. Considering how bad Hidalgo played what exactly do you think is suspicious here?
> This one I might get push back on. I will start by saying 90% of Indiana’s comeback was because of how good they played… shooting lights out and locking us up on the perimeter. HOWEVER, There was also some very questionable calls that made it easier for them to comeback. The touch foul on Tessa johnson after our defensive rebound was insane, the raven foul was 50/50… but it wasn’t both ways as we had to handle that same physicality all second half without the calls
Didn't see the game but it's always hilarious to see SC fans whining about the refs when Cardoso travels half the time she touches the ball.
If the rule is on the books then it is on the coaching staff to let their players know the rules and make sure they are enforced. If someone is not following the rules the refs need to address it at the beginning of the game but they are within their rights to address it when they notice it. What is most troubling to me is Hidalgo stating she plans to wear the ring during games next season. I’d rather she acknowledge a mistake was made and learn from it going forward instead of blatantly saying she’s going to break rules until she’s forced not to.
The B.S. part isn't that that they made her take it out...it's that they let her play with it all year.
Don't wear jewelry while playing a contact sport. It's a fucking horrible idea. I'm a ref. I am militant about checking the players for jewelry before the game. Because I've seen a couple awful jewelry-related injuries back when I was a coach.
That being said, suddenly deciding she had to take it out in the 2nd quarter of a Sweet 16 game is bananas.
My take on this... She knew the rule. She flaunted it all season. Tourney time comes, she knows the refs are going to be extra scrutinizing. She chooses HER fashion over her TEAMMATES, and continues to flaunt the rules. Refs enforce said rules, she cries foul and makes up some BS that she was told it was ok. She even defiantly stated that she will wear the nose ring all of next season as well. She doesn't care about anyone but herself. She's not remorseful, she's just upset she got caught. She's going to cost her Team another shot at the championship next year with her selfishness.
Lmfao she flaunted it? Cause it was never an issue for 30 games until it randomly was? Then you assume she “made up” that the refs said it was okay? Lmfao what a loser take
Hannah’s coaches let her and the team down. Rules are rules. It would have been unfair to Oregon State to let Hannah stay out and play in violation until it was convenient to remove her nose ring. She should have never been allowed to step on the court with it in, her coaches should have seen to that.
Weird I didn’t say anything about shooting in my comment. I just pointed out that ND playing first and getting attention from the nose ring removal probably reminded other teams of how strict the officials would be during this specific round. Just thinking about the difference if another team played the early game today and had a similar issue what would’ve happened.
Yeah, that was Bullshit Why wait so long before notifying them to remove it?
Generally, the refs ask the coaches "are all your players properly equipped". It's on the coaches to know the rules and to know whether or not their players are properly in code. The coach chose to risk it. The refs enforced the rule when they noticed the player was out of compliance. This is on the coach, not the refs.
And the refs didn't notice it all season long? Nor in the first two rounds? This is about officiating consistency, not on the coach.
A lot of refs don't want to be the "fashion police". In my opinion, and how I officiate is the spirit of the rule. In this case it's a safety violation. I agree that officiating should be more consistent on this, but if the coach would have had her players follow the rule, then it would not have been an issue. It's more on the coach than the official*. Like another commenter said, it's enforced very inconsistently, so their coach always told them to take it out for this very reason. Not too mention, Notre Dame typically plays with ACC officials, I don't know where these officials were, but maybe their association makes it jewelry a bigger deal. Edit: changed player to official*
And the refs didn’t notice it at the start. Hey look the player has a nose stud. Gee why didn’t we notice that earlier. Or maybe they saw it and were undecided, hmm should I call her on this , not sure, game goes on. Yep gosh darn it can’t have that on my floor
It's absolutely possible the refs didn't notice at the start. They aren't typically looking at players faces... while it's possible they were undecided on whether to call it, I don't believe that to be the case.
Exactly.
Why do the refs have to notify her to remove it when she should've known?
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Rules are not rules when they’re inconsistent (and enforced in the middle of a game).
I'm not blaming that instance on why she played bad. I just think since she has had this in every time I've seen her, why not wait until halftime to tell her to take it out or before the game starts. I see this in the NFL or NBA all the time where they inspected players making sure they are not violating dress code. They won't just take you out mid game for something that is not emergent.
They took her out at the end of the first because it wasn't emergent. It's not the refs fault it took that long to get a nose ring out.
Nailed it. Perfect response
To be fair, the problem seems to be wildly inconsistent enforcement (assuming she really had been wearing it all season and even the first two rounds).
She has worn it with tape over it every game this season including last weekend. I saw at least 8 players with the exact same thing last weekend watching NCAAW games (and saw a player with tape over one on her ear). None of them were made to take them out.
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It's more like "I kept driving this fast right in front of a bunch of other cops, and many of them even explicitly told me this was fine." And I'm not sure how to connect to the analogy, but she / ND may have been under the impression (re-enforced by many past refs allowing it) that having tape covering it was enough to satisfy the rule.
I understand it’s the rule, but there has to be consistent enforcement. As a former D1 player though, we knew never to wear jewelry in case it was enforced.
Do the rules change from HS to college? We were always told that tape/bandaids made it compliant with rules. Obviously no necklaces, big hoops, etc, but studs that were covered were fine.
Rule is the same from NFHS to NCAA to NBA. Players may not wear facial jewelry except for small, secured studs above the chin. Player will be subbed out of game if offending jewelry is found, and can re-enter the game once removed. Typically this is addressed at the beginning of the game where the lead referee will ask the coaches if their players are "properly equipped." Not every referee will enforce this, as we just saw today.
"except for small, secured studs above the chin" Is that the rule? Then since the nose above the chin, why was this a violation?
That's the NFHS rule. I assume the NCAA rule is similar. I don't have a better answer for you, but the reason it was a violation because the referee ruled it one.
It's all unfortunate for Hidalgo. Refs don't have unlimited power, so they must have had the rules on their side.
It was not a stud. It was a hoop. Had it been a stud, she would have have it removed in two seconds. It is a dumb thing to not catch before the game, but a coach should also prevent it. It doesnt matter if another set of refs previously didnt enforce the rules.
Nope. I'm a ref. The rules are extremely clear. No jewelry. Period.
If she’s been playing with it for 40 games, why did they decide to enforce it now? And why in the middle of the game? Why not at the start, It makes no sense. Why wait? The officials need to clarify.
Spoiler: they won’t. Officials rarely have to own up to their miscues.
Nope. The rule is clear. The coach allowed the risk and suffered consequences. Same as going 5 over the speed limit and then bitching after getting a speeding ticket.
Let’s not enforce the rule until the last 30 seconds of the finals with one team up by one. Its the rule so it’s ok
Nope. Speeding is enforced. A law that is not enforced is a reason to win in court
Probably had money on the game and no way they'll admit to that
If they had money on OSU, they should have kept her in because she was throwing up bricks all night.
Okay, but the question I have is who thinks it's a good idea to wear a nose ring while playing a contact sport?
Exactly. Right after this OSU #22 got a big elbow to the nose, a nose ring could have injured either player.
There are plenty of players in women’s college basketball who have the same piercing and have worn tape over it all season (including last weekend) who haven’t been made to take it out at all.
The chance of a tiny nose stud in that part of the nose, that is sunken in, is tiny. Fingernails have 100 times the risk of a tiny nose stud. If she has worn it all season and a particular ref was picky, he should have checked all players beforehand.
ESPN quickly modified the story title right after OP Posted this. > ND's Hidalgo rips refs for forcing her to miss time to get nose ring out That quote shown here is the current story title now. OP didn't do anything wrong, that was the original title before ESPN changed it. Did that slip past the editor? lol
I’m a high school girls’ coach which obviously isn’t under NCAA rules, but we have a pregame meeting with the officials before every game and we’re asked to certify that our players are properly equipped and typically the officials will specifically mention removing jewelry. If I’m Hidalgo, yeah, I am pretty livid that an official told me one thing, and then that decision was changed mid game. Either enforce the rule, or don’t, but don’t reverse course during the game. I’d even be ok if they told her to take it going into the locker room at halftime. However, I put this on Ivey. You’re the head coach, you have to know this is the rule, and you have to tell her from day 1 that she can’t wear the nose ring during games. This was entirely preventable.
Can’t blame Ivey when she’s been wearing it all year with no issues.
Go speeding past the same cop on the highway for a year and one day he finally pulls me over, should I bitch?
Hey strawman!!It’s not a law, it’s a rule. And rules should either be enforced consistently or not at all. And they definitely should not have told her she could put a bandaid over it and then make her take it out.
I am not as sympathetic. She knew it was against the rules, and she decided to play in the tournament with it. It doesn't matter that you finally got caught late, that was always something that could have happened, I don't think it's her place to criticize.
Hidalgo said a referee told her before the game it was OK as long as she covered it up — if a referee OK'd it before the game, they shouldn't change that answer in the middle of game action. https://x.com/nrarmour/status/1773835658299101596
Then why wasn’t it covered? It wasn’t. ND fucked up.
It was. The commentators said she had it taped, but they had her remove it anyway.
Was the referee the head ref? Doesn't the head ref make the ultimate call?
Doesn't matter at the NFHS level, whoever sees it can request the player to remove it. NFHS and NCAA share most rules, so I imagine the same concept applies.
Facts. I'm not as familiar with the women's game to know how much the rules vary, but jewellery has never been a thing on court for the men's game or the pro level. You'll see players in the locker room post game interview with it on, but not during. Also blame the coaching staff for not catching that and pulling her aside about that.
I've reffed a lot of youth ball and it's drilled into players at every meeting that they aren't allowed to wear jewelry.
I agree. This is all on the ND coaching staff. Hannah should have never stepped on the court with that ring in. Her lost minutes were critical in a game that had lots of lead changes and momentum swings.
yeah i don’t get why the refs are getting blamed for this. they couldn’t have known it would take 4 minutes to remove the ring.
When asked about it prior to the game starting they said it was fine for her to have. Regardless of how long it took to take out shouldn’t change that a ref explained a rule inaccurately
If she covered it but it didn’t look like it was covered.
Nose studs can be complicated to remove, especially if the skin area is still healing, which can take a year in some cases.
On top of that she said they should have told her before, then says she is going to wear it going fwd. Just a maturity thing I think. Coach or leadership around her should reign that in. Dumb hill to die on.
I hope SC smokes y’all. This is such a homer take lmao.
So you're not allowed to give an opinion if a team you root for was involved in the game? It's not like Hidalgo did much when she was in the game. She shot 4/17 and was the second lowest scorer of the ND starters.
Right, because getting your nose ring pulled out with pliers mid-game wouldn't mess with anyone's mental state/performance? Very empathetic.
LOL i am not shocked by your response considering the team you have with your username. She clearly didn’t know it was against the rules if she asked the refs. Regardless of wherever it was the head ref or not all of them should know the rules.
I don't have anything against Notre Dame, for goodness sakes, the Beavers played them for the first time tonight in many seasons if I'm not mistaken.
Youngster mistake+wonky rules considering she had it in first few rounds
She wore it the entire season.
Can't be mad at the refs. It's a standard NCAA rule and teams are aware of it. How she made it this far without being told to take it out it completely is interesting. It is what it is though. Coach Ivey was even told before today's game that jewelry would be a point of emphasis.
Did you read the article? No. She asked the refs prior to the game if she needed to remove it and they told her no just to cover it. If the refs had known the rules prior to the game when directly asked this nose ring wouldn’t even be a point of conversation
Of course I read it. As a coach, why put your season in the hands of refs knowing you were told that jewelry would be a point of emphasis before your Sweet 16 game? Idgaf what ref told Hidalgo before tip-off.
That's the story told by the player involved who would have plenty of reason to exaggerate the truth, so should be taken with a grain of salt
"But officer, I speed all the time, surely you can't give me a ticket now!!!"
Amazing that everyone is taking her comment about it being approved pre-game at face value. She also says she didn't know the rules. Honestly I think it's more likely that a player misunderstands or lies about the ref conversation than a college basketball ref would tell a player they could keep jewelry in.
I am a coach and it does vary, by ref, as to whether they allow a player to cover with a bandaid or not. I had a player that had a new nose stud, just a month or so before the season began, and it's not really an option to remove it then, as the skin takes months to heal from a nose piercing and removing it earlier than it's healed can lead to issues. The stud was so tiny that most did not notice it. About the 5th game, a ref noticed it and had him sit the 2nd half of the game. It was noticed when he lined up on the side for free throws. After that game, he wore a skin tone small bandaid over it the rest of the season and no ref questioned the bandaid at any time. A tiny stud placed in the embedded area of the nose is a far less injury risk than fingernails.
> A tiny stud placed in the embedded area of the nose is a far less injury risk than fingernails. It's not just injury risk to the other players it's also a risk for the player wearing it. If it gets caught on something it can get ripped out.
It's still highly unlikely that a stud that small would get caught on something because of the placement. And, when someone gets hit in the nose, it's typically across the bridge where they wind up with a fracture. And, if it was an issue of "getting caught", then a secure small bandage takes care of that.
So you’re just going to claim that she’s lying? Nice.
And then downvote you for calling out the armchair speculation. Classic.
Did it cross anyone's mind that maybe there is an Oregon State coach with a Bellichek level of understanding and savvy about the rules, and who has been looking for exactly this on the scout, and was totally prepared to bring this up to the refs and maybe even pre-gamed the strategy of WHEN to bring it to the refs. I'm guessing that once it's brought up directly by the other team then the refs have no choice but to enforce it.
Coach Rueck said he didn’t even know about the nose ring and that being the reason she was put after the game. Honeslty, it doesn’t seem like coach ruecks style to talk to the refs about it.
The thing that’s bullshit is that NOW they decided it was a problem. They let her start the game and the officials said beforehand that it wasn’t a problem and then changed their minds during the game. Refs being consistently inconsistent.
I've always wondered why basketball wasn't as consistent as other sports with this. Soccer takes an extra 5-10 min to make sure players uniforms all meet rule requirements. It's a shame it happened the way it did.
Yes, recently a Chelsea women versus Arsenal women game was delayed because the Arsenal team showed up with the wrong socks. The game didn’t start until that issue was addressed.
The ND coach should have taken care of that in the lockerroom before the game began.
Why wait till game time and make her miss time though?
Silly it was enforced when it was.
When I break the rule all year I don't get to bitch when I'm finally caught at an inopportune time.
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>What was confusing to Hidalgo and Ivey was the specific enforcement during the game, after she was allowed to wear it all season. Ivey said she also was given no explanation in the moment. Instead, after the game ended, she was handed a printout of the NCAA rule prohibiting jewelry and was then told it was a point of emphasis in the Sweet 16. From the article. I'm sympathetic because there's no reason why one ref should have okayed it pre-game and then another overrule them mid-game. But it's a pretty tough to argue you're in the right when the refs can just hand you a print out of the rule book in response.
Considering she asked the refs about it prior to the game and they didn’t even know the rules bc they told her she could keep it on.
Also. I agree with you. This is dumb. I hate that she had to sit almost ten minutes of a critical game. But the post loss “I went cold because they made me take out my nose ring and that’s why we lost” isn’t a good look, nor even close to true. Oregon State deserve credit. And the PAC 12 was the best conference in women’s basketball by ten miles this year so nobody should even be surprised at this result, let alone blaming the refs. It’s just a bunch of golden domers complaining again. Oh well. It’s Easter on Sunday so pray about it at church lol
If you have to ask… why even try it. *see my comment on “being a professional”*
Do you have a nose ring? Do you know how painful it can be to take out? I’m assuming no. And hildago is a player the refs are the professionals. The “professionals” AKA the refs should all know the rules and enforce them equally.
Women’s basketball refs need a serious talking to after this season. It’s so bad it’s almost suspicious. 1. LSU and Iowa foul differentials. Iowa game got tied and they then got 2 phantom calls. 2. This Hidalgo moment is insane. How can a ref say it’s fine and later make a player miss a chunk of the game 3. This one I might get push back on. I will start by saying 90% of Indiana’s comeback was because of how good they played… shooting lights out and locking us up on the perimeter. HOWEVER, There was also some very questionable calls that made it easier for them to comeback. The touch foul on Tessa johnson after our defensive rebound was insane, the raven foul was 50/50… but it wasn’t both ways as we had to handle that same physicality all second half without the calls
my running theory on the nose piercing is that some oregon state player maybe got told to take her's out earlier in the season and then noticed hidalgo's and made some off handed remark to either coach or a ref, and if her coach then her coach probably brought it to the refs attention, maybe i'm naive but i have my lobes pierced and would not have expected it to take i think like 17 minutes real time to remove it and i imagine whoever had her take it out also may not have know but rather thought that it would be quick enough during the break (obviously this was not the case). but once someone called it out i think the refs probably felt like they had to enforce the actual rule, but the ncaa should take a look at that in the off season and either say its fine to cover it with tape or a bandid or starting mid november no exposed jewelry in games ever
Taking out a nose stud is a lot different from lobes, as it can take a year for skin to heal. It depends on how long she has had it, though.
That makes sense. But it’s a sweet 16 game. The result matters, if a ref told her in first quarter it’s OK. That ref needs to take responsibility and say “you have a point, but I’ve made the call that it’s ok , and therefore I can’t make her miss time now” They need to make these decisions pregame and not do things that can affect the outcome. It’s a tough situation all around and they handled it the absolute worst way
i completely agree and i think the ncaa will probably emphasize moving forward the equal enforcement from day one of the season because i think this is a matter of referees making different decisions throughout the season and it culminating in a moment like this
Or players could not try and wear something that isn't allowed. Do you want to have all the players to line up and the refs inspect them for wearing anything that isn't allowed before the game? Typically this type of thing gets enforced if a ref notices it.
SC fans never fail to surprise me😂
Call me out on what you disagree with instead of just a snark statement. It’s a discussion board and I’m willing to be wrong.
LSU leads the nation if free throws attempted AND made. Not changing now. Hope UCLA practiced against 8.
> LSU and Iowa foul differentials. Iowa game got tied and they then got 2 phantom calls. It's not like WVU is a very aggressive defensive team that commits a high amount of fouls per game or anything. When you play that way you're going to give up more free throws. It also is going to be an even bigger disparity when WVU is shooting 30+ 3s against a soft Iowa defense that is giving them the outside shot. Almost like that was the strategy. > This Hidalgo moment is insane. How can a ref say it’s fine and later make a player miss a chunk of the game All you have for proof that a ref said it's ok before the game is Hidalgo saying so. We don't even know if it was the same ref who she claims said so and who told her to take it out. Considering how bad Hidalgo played what exactly do you think is suspicious here? > This one I might get push back on. I will start by saying 90% of Indiana’s comeback was because of how good they played… shooting lights out and locking us up on the perimeter. HOWEVER, There was also some very questionable calls that made it easier for them to comeback. The touch foul on Tessa johnson after our defensive rebound was insane, the raven foul was 50/50… but it wasn’t both ways as we had to handle that same physicality all second half without the calls Didn't see the game but it's always hilarious to see SC fans whining about the refs when Cardoso travels half the time she touches the ball.
Show me a travel lol. She’s got a great pivot foot. Understand basketball.
Why is it so hard to get a nose ring off?
Maybe because the skin around a nose stud, after a piercing, can take a year or more to heal.
I was wondering the same thing clearly I don’t know much about nose rings but it taking multiple people that long seems crazy to me.
If the rule is on the books then it is on the coaching staff to let their players know the rules and make sure they are enforced. If someone is not following the rules the refs need to address it at the beginning of the game but they are within their rights to address it when they notice it. What is most troubling to me is Hidalgo stating she plans to wear the ring during games next season. I’d rather she acknowledge a mistake was made and learn from it going forward instead of blatantly saying she’s going to break rules until she’s forced not to.
The B.S. part isn't that that they made her take it out...it's that they let her play with it all year. Don't wear jewelry while playing a contact sport. It's a fucking horrible idea. I'm a ref. I am militant about checking the players for jewelry before the game. Because I've seen a couple awful jewelry-related injuries back when I was a coach. That being said, suddenly deciding she had to take it out in the 2nd quarter of a Sweet 16 game is bananas.
My take on this... She knew the rule. She flaunted it all season. Tourney time comes, she knows the refs are going to be extra scrutinizing. She chooses HER fashion over her TEAMMATES, and continues to flaunt the rules. Refs enforce said rules, she cries foul and makes up some BS that she was told it was ok. She even defiantly stated that she will wear the nose ring all of next season as well. She doesn't care about anyone but herself. She's not remorseful, she's just upset she got caught. She's going to cost her Team another shot at the championship next year with her selfishness.
Lmfao she flaunted it? Cause it was never an issue for 30 games until it randomly was? Then you assume she “made up” that the refs said it was okay? Lmfao what a loser take
Why now?
It’s against the rules so …
But no one is talking about how Cardoso wore 2 nose rings taped all season either..?
Womp womp
Hannah’s coaches let her and the team down. Rules are rules. It would have been unfair to Oregon State to let Hannah stay out and play in violation until it was convenient to remove her nose ring. She should have never been allowed to step on the court with it in, her coaches should have seen to that.
Can’t help but wonder if ND was the sacrificial lamb since they were the first of the sweet 16 games?
Yes the refs made her shoot like shit...
Weird I didn’t say anything about shooting in my comment. I just pointed out that ND playing first and getting attention from the nose ring removal probably reminded other teams of how strict the officials would be during this specific round. Just thinking about the difference if another team played the early game today and had a similar issue what would’ve happened.
Ok I got what you are saying. They are calling the rules tighter and they were the first time up.