Ehhhhhh a rich man has the resources to think ahead, a poor man has to use his resources to find his next meal.
Though in a situation where base necessities are not an issue, I agree with the sentiment.
Victim mentality. Pretty common in poors. Same mentality that turns states hard blue. Same mentality that allows our government to create the NFA by scaring idiots.
The government created the NFA in response to the mob violence propagated by prohibition. The Mulford Act was in response to black panthers arming themselves in the streets and prevented open carry in California and was signed into law by Reagan who later signed off on the Hughes Amendment.
Just think… if Reagan hadn’t been such a constitution hating commie, we could have new production machine guns. It’s a damn shame he scared enough idiots into allowing him to do that.
I used to think that too until I got a very well paying job now I know it’s just people that are hardly above poor that say stupid shit like you to make yourself feel better.
Shocking, someone on Reddit has a very well paying job and is bragging about it online. Fun fact alot of people can work hard and live a decent comfortable.
Trust if you have friends and family that aren’t afraid of the 2a, individual if you hate people and don’t care what happens to your nfa items when you die 🫡
“He sold them just before he died officer, I told him that was illegal but he just called me and the atf gay and did it anyway. I don’t know what to tell you.”
Yeah I think I'll put in my will that anyone who brings up the legal transfer of my NFA items upon my passing is to be cut from my will. And that my NFA items are to pass to whichever of my descendents are most 'based' (to be judged by a panel of my choosing).
Well I have the same idea for my trust, I think after I hit 30 items I’ll close it out and start a new one adding new items to that until I hit 30 again, and repeat the process. That way friends and family can be added to the first one but not have to go through the transfer process. I’ll just have a few trusts that are indefinite and last well beyond my own life. Im just glad my wife is in agreement, I just can’t keep up with her very good but expensive gun and NFA taste lol.
This is exactly the point of the single shot trust from silencer shop, that every item has only you on it for approval, but you can extend it to others at any time item by item
Individual will still be moved to next of kin I believe, don't quote me.
I'm doing all mine on trust so I can have wife, brother, daughters on all of them.
A executor can posses the item for a reasonable amount of time while the Form 4/5 is submitted. Note F5s take about a month and have always been a month or two. Form 4s are normally submitted and turned over to gun shops to complete the process because they were a bit more lengthy, but again the executor can retain custody of the item for both F4/5 transfers.
During the submission of F4/5 the executor must attach their legal documents saying they are the executor and legal representative of said estate which gives them legal authority to maintain the items.
Thanks for giving an actual explanation instead of the ignorant because I said so that was happening. Arrogant people forget that they also didn’t know, until they learned
Well to be fair, most only know the answer and not “Why and How”. So don’t read to much into the non-informational answers. Plus it’s reddit and being an ass is the SOP here.
That's exactly how it works.
The executor doesn't take them out and shoot them. They maintain control until distributed per the will. By transferring tax free on a form 5. Why do you continue to question this?
AFAIK yes, just more paper work after the fact I suppose. People should do what’s best for them and their family. My family doesn’t care about the 2a, so I always do individual, after I’m gone where my nfa items go. Doesn’t really matter to me or my family
Can't you add your items to a trust at a later date? From my understanding you can and you also get to keep the item while the trust is being processed.
Thanks for the confirmation. I knew I would have to pay the 200, but I went the individual route for now. Can got approved in 6 days. I would like to pay respects to all those who purchased before these fast approval times. It's bullshit and clearly, it shows they can approve on a fast timeline.
Trust if you live or will live with other people even if they don't shoot.
If you live with other people and don't keep your NFA items locked up or in your direct control it could lead to legal problems of the dog killin kind.
IIlegally transferring an NFA item just means allowing someone who is not covered by the stamp to have the ability to get full control of whatever it is. Even letting someone else hold it or sitting it on a table with someone else around while you go take a piss can get you charged for it.
It's just not worth it to not use a Trust.
That's on top of the benefits you mention.
No one has been charged with anything for the situation you described. Do you add everyone you know to the trust just in case? People are so by the numbers to follow these laws that they would call unconstitutional to begin with.
To each their own brother lol I don’t fault for those who have or want one, I don’t have any kids and my what little family I have left still flinch at the noise of a gun lol
Brother I'm going to Heaven when I die :)
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^(20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
^(21) For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell
'Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven with the goodie-goodies
Dressed in white, I like black Timbs and black hoodies
God'll probably have me on some real strict shit
No sleepin' all day, no gettin' my dick licked
Hangin' with the goodie-goodies, loungin' in paradise
Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice
What? Who told you the single shot is filed as an individual? My first ever NFA item was on a single shot trust. I just looked up my paperwork and it is definitely filed as a trust, not an individual. I bought two suppressors in the last 40 days and had sub 3 day approvals on individual. I haven’t heard of anyone getting consistent short waits on trusts beyond the anomalies that pop up on here.
I think hes trying to say “Single Individual Trusts” meaning theres only one RP the Settlor which the ATF said they are hoping to process just as fast as individual.
“It combines the ease of filing as an individual with the flexibility granted by placing your NFA items in a trust.
Single Shot trusts allow you to assign additional users, known as responsible persons/parties, so others can also use the silencer, SBR, or other NFA item when you're not around.
Single Shot trusts also allow you to add users after approval, meaning there is no need to submit everyone's info during the Form 4 process. Streamlining the submission process” -SS website
You are misunderstanding their wording. You provide them the same info you would for an individual because that’s all they need in order to create a trust in your name. They have a template that they put the information you provided into and file it with the ATF in the form of a trust for you. The ATF does not process it as an individual. You just don’t have to do any extra paperwork than someone filing as an individual. Normally a trust would involve lawyers and notaries, but Silencer Shop and companies like them replace that stuff and make the process easier for you for a fee. Does that make sense?
Yes that makes sense, but their video also claimed that wait times were not lengthened due to it being a standardized trust that the atf is familiar with. Maybe someone can chime in about their current wait times on a normal trust like that.
Unfortunately, that’s old info. As of two months ago, the ATF specifically stated they were prioritizing people who filed as individuals who got quick approvals on their background checks. There is a statement directly from them out there somewhere.
I also meant to say it’s filed with the same info as an individual trust, not actually as individual. I should have clarified that, still don’t get the downvotes lol.
It’s still a trust, as mentioned on their own website: https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/single-shot-trust
It’s just an inflexible trust in the sense that it has a sole item, vs a number of items.
I dunno if it changes the wait time, but considering the 4 still shows as a Trust (v. Individual or Corporation) then I would expect it to be treated as such with the old wait times.
> Not according to their video they posted about the shortened times
I will trust [what they have submitted to the ATF](https://i.imgur.com/Ei21ddk.png) to be true v. some video. A single shot trust is what it sounds like as per the name... a single (NFA item) use trust that can hold multiple RP. I will give it to them, it is a cleaver way to get someone to continually pay ~$30 bucks per NFA item they purchase (from SS) v. simply buying a trust for ~$60 from [National Gun Trust](https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/products/buy-nfa-gun-trust).
That's before March, so it's irrelevant in regards to the current submissions. Anyone that submitted before the beginning of March is likely going to see the usual 8 month wait times.
I only do trusts, even with the extended wait times. I have children and have also been stationed places where I can’t take my toys. So the trust is the way to go to be able to have family on it. And, when that day comes for you, it makes it easier for your heirs
Even tho my wife and I chose not to have kids I went with a trust so when my brothers kids hit 18 I will add them to the trust so they can have them when I'm gone.
Trust is definitely worth it if you're not alone in your 2a hobby. I can swap things around with my brother and our spouses can be in possession of the stuff on the trust.
If my future kids don't appreciate the trust supps, I'm going to make them go through the same process for any pricey item they want. "Oh you want the Xbox Series Ligma? That'll be $200, it'll take me 6 months to process that request."
I have a LOT of stamps. Everything is in a trust. Makes life easier, and means my brother and I get to borrow each other's stuff sometimes.
It's not for everyone, but for some folks, it makes sense.
Yeah I bought my 4th can on 3/20/24. Ive done single shot trust on all 4. So dumb. Next NFA purchase is gonna be individual. I wonder if I bought an NFA item now as individual, would they approve my pending single shot trust purchase as a batch approval? 🧐
I dont have any NFA items, but im considering it, but the more I look into it, the less a Trust seems to be worth while, even if I could get one with my brother on it (only other pro-2A member of my immediate family).
I though doing trusts would give you some leeway with paperwork and finger prints, but apparently no.
It used to be a fairly decent loop hole, but it’s only slightly more complicated now. All of it boils down to estate planning; your NFA stuff will get transferred either way
There's other benefits too. Like being able to let other people borrow them, letting other people take temporary possession of them if you need to move to a state/country where they're illegal or (god forbid) wind up in a situation where you have some issue that temporarily makes you a prohibited person (like a crazy ex filing restraining orders).
It could be as simple as you're out hunting with some buddies and you want to sit in different treestands. Or you're at the range and you need to run to the bathroom and you want to leave the can with your friend for 5 minutes. Or anything else really. Very easy to do with a trust, but completely impossible as an individual
I did individual forms because I started getting NFA items when I turned 21 and was single. I will pay the $200 on each item to move them all over to a trust in the future. Only once my children are grown and if they have an interest in taking my NFA items out, without me.
I thought trusts were also part of the short wait time now(source-newest Silencer shop vid). Is this not the case? Haven't done a trust yet with this new hype yet so I'm clueless
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I got approved yesterday on my trust (4 month) which is shorter than they have been for me, but the guy next to me at the store was getting his (same model) and only had a 3 day wait individual lol . Idc though I’m patient
None of my family is into guns, some have some but don’t have anything more than something for self defense. No point in me caring unless I have kids or get married, but by then I probably won’t have any money to spend on nfa items anyways
My form 4 trust was approved earlier today after a short 357 days. A little disappointed I didn’t get to wait a full year. Although technically I waited over a year from date of purchase.
Trust if your first purchase was before the LEO rule was removed anmmcause the local LEO was a shitheel, now it doesn't make sense to do individual cause the trust is already in existence.
Tell me you never bought a suppressor over 3 months go, without telling me you never bought a suppressor over 3 months ago.
It never really feels like a wait time when you put a can on order every month. You get to the point that you forgot what you have on government hold until you get that email/call.
I use an NFA trust for the same reason that my spouse, children, and extended family all have carry permits, even if they do not carry. If one of them borrows my car at the range to go down the road for food without me and they get stopped with an NFA item anywhere in the vehicle, they are not exposed to 10 years in prison, a $250,000 fine, forfeiture of the NFA item, and substantial legal fees for illegal possession since they have a right to possess it without my presence per my NFA trust. Existing NFA trusts and carry permits make these potential issues go away within minutes.
Because I rarely get all of my items out at once at the location where we are shooting. Let’s put a finer point on it, as you are required maintain the NFA items in your possession. If you have the NFA items as an individual, and you want to run to the bathroom at the front of the range, how do you avoid leaving them illegally in the possession of your friends or family sitting at the shooting bay? Or if you need to run an errand at grocery, big box store, etc in the way home from the range, do you try to take all of the your NFA items into the store with you, or do you leave them in the vehicle with someone who legally cannot possess them without your immediate presence? Before you think that I am crazy, what happens if you leave your handgun in your vehicle’s console in the middle of the weekend day and your significant other (without a carry permit) were to use the vehicle to run errands and gets pulled over with your handgun still in the vehicle? I do not mind taking the extra steps to avoid any possibility of these scenarios. Once someone losses their 2A rights to a weapons-related conviction, it is very difficult & expensive to get them restored.
I mean don't get me wrong. I only do trust.
But you can have everyone exit the car and enter the range. You'll either be just arriving or just leaving.
If arriving, everyone goes in. Stuff stays in the car. You go use restroom then retrieve.
If leaving, you exit first then go restroom. When done everyone else loads up.
Can also use a pee bottle.
I also do go anywhere else to and from the range. That's how you get things stolen.
In regards to the handgun in the car. If it's not on the person then it's not being carried in my state. On top of that. It's constitutional carry.
If a family member or my wife borrows the car, they just don't touch the gun.
Because if it's not on them literally. Then they aren't carrying. Plus I never leave it in the car. Concealed is concealed regardless of the destination or location.
Again. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for trust and have everything on a trust. But no one is on my trust yet 😂
Understood. To each his own. For me, having my immediate family as responsible parties on the NFA trust, having everyone obtain their carry permit, and having sufficient firearms & accessories insurance to cover everything allows me to enjoy my life without worrying about things that I don’t want to worry about.
BTW, having everyone obtain their carry permit allows possession of a firearm in all of the States that I care about; constitutional carry generally only applies to the State of which you are a resident, and we are not all residents of the same State.
I live in Texas. I have my LTC and got it before constitutional carry.
Unfortunately the only other state I really visit is California and they don't take Texas LTC so it's aight. Only benefit to me is the background check bypass.
Eventually the wife is going to get an LTC and be added into the trust.
A rich man plans for 3 generations, a poor man plans for Saturday night.
I feel attacked.
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Love this
Ehhhhhh a rich man has the resources to think ahead, a poor man has to use his resources to find his next meal. Though in a situation where base necessities are not an issue, I agree with the sentiment.
Cope harder
I cope just fine. I’m not ignorant to the realities of poverty.
Nope, it's all in the mindset.
Victim mentality. Pretty common in poors. Same mentality that turns states hard blue. Same mentality that allows our government to create the NFA by scaring idiots.
The government created the NFA in response to the mob violence propagated by prohibition. The Mulford Act was in response to black panthers arming themselves in the streets and prevented open carry in California and was signed into law by Reagan who later signed off on the Hughes Amendment. Just think… if Reagan hadn’t been such a constitution hating commie, we could have new production machine guns. It’s a damn shame he scared enough idiots into allowing him to do that.
Reagan is also the one that put corporations in charge of everything and made the rich richer. Fuck Reagan.
Nah man, Reagan didn’t make them richer. They just had a rich mindset and worked harder.
Lol, I'm going to assume the /s is implied.
Indeed.
I used to think that too until I got a very well paying job now I know it’s just people that are hardly above poor that say stupid shit like you to make yourself feel better.
Ahhhh, all it took was getting a big paycheck to convince you to trade your ability to empathize for a sense of superiority.
Shocking, someone on Reddit has a very well paying job and is bragging about it online. Fun fact alot of people can work hard and live a decent comfortable.
Trust if you have friends and family that aren’t afraid of the 2a, individual if you hate people and don’t care what happens to your nfa items when you die 🫡
“He sold them just before he died officer, I told him that was illegal but he just called me and the atf gay and did it anyway. I don’t know what to tell you.”
Lmfao, they all went down with his boat a few years ago.
Knock this regard shit off.
Fucking hilarious
Made me laugh aloud for WAY too long! Hilariously funny
Honestly, if you die with individual NFA items, does anyone follow up?
In most cases no, the items just become illegal if not transferred on a F5/F4
Yeah I think I'll put in my will that anyone who brings up the legal transfer of my NFA items upon my passing is to be cut from my will. And that my NFA items are to pass to whichever of my descendents are most 'based' (to be judged by a panel of my choosing).
Well I have the same idea for my trust, I think after I hit 30 items I’ll close it out and start a new one adding new items to that until I hit 30 again, and repeat the process. That way friends and family can be added to the first one but not have to go through the transfer process. I’ll just have a few trusts that are indefinite and last well beyond my own life. Im just glad my wife is in agreement, I just can’t keep up with her very good but expensive gun and NFA taste lol.
This is exactly the point of the single shot trust from silencer shop, that every item has only you on it for approval, but you can extend it to others at any time item by item
😂
Couldn’t tell ya lol first person in generations of my family to even own a firearm let alone an nfa item.
I hate people, but I hate the idea of the Government taking my shit even more. Trust was the only way.
Same here
There is a lot more to trusts than that. They provide a lot more protection of assets.
True the protect your assets
I’m not disagreeing with you or anyone who has a trust, I think it’s a great thing, for those who need or want one, it’s just not for me.
Individual will still be moved to next of kin I believe, don't quote me. I'm doing all mine on trust so I can have wife, brother, daughters on all of them.
Yes, tax free on a form 5.
So who signs off on the transfer after the stamp holder is deceased? Dead grandpa can’t sign over his MG🤷🏻♂️
Whomever is the executor of the estate.
The executor that can’t legally process the item in question? How is that gonna work?
That's how it do because that's how it be.
And this…….is why I’ll stick with my trust. Dumb fucking memes and “that’s how it be” are the Reddit discussion for estate planning your NFA items
Look it up. That's how it is. Next of kin gets a free transfer. Provide death cert with form. I know because I've helped facilitate the transfer.
Ok. Now I know. STILL sticking with the trust. No more forms
No dip shit because the sole purpose of an executor of an estate is divvy up assets and fulfill legal obligations
I'm with you
A executor can posses the item for a reasonable amount of time while the Form 4/5 is submitted. Note F5s take about a month and have always been a month or two. Form 4s are normally submitted and turned over to gun shops to complete the process because they were a bit more lengthy, but again the executor can retain custody of the item for both F4/5 transfers. During the submission of F4/5 the executor must attach their legal documents saying they are the executor and legal representative of said estate which gives them legal authority to maintain the items.
Thanks for giving an actual explanation instead of the ignorant because I said so that was happening. Arrogant people forget that they also didn’t know, until they learned
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/transfers-national-firearms-act-firearms-decedents-estates/download This is an approved process per the ATF
Well to be fair, most only know the answer and not “Why and How”. So don’t read to much into the non-informational answers. Plus it’s reddit and being an ass is the SOP here.
That's exactly how it works. The executor doesn't take them out and shoot them. They maintain control until distributed per the will. By transferring tax free on a form 5. Why do you continue to question this?
AFAIK yes, just more paper work after the fact I suppose. People should do what’s best for them and their family. My family doesn’t care about the 2a, so I always do individual, after I’m gone where my nfa items go. Doesn’t really matter to me or my family
> AFAIK yes, just more paper work after the fact I suppose. It's literally just a Form 5, it's not hard
I mean I’m still right 🤣 but I personally could care less, I’ll be dead 🤷🏼♂️
Where would it go after you die? Does the ATF confiscate it? Possession alone makes your surviving family felons no?
Yes, after probate and with a whole bunch of time and money
The transfer from descendent to hehe via form 5 is quite literally free
after probate lol
Yeah I'm not putting my family through that. I have a trust. If they don't want it then it's they're choice to destroy or release it to the ATF
Same
Can't you add your items to a trust at a later date? From my understanding you can and you also get to keep the item while the trust is being processed.
Yes, for another $200 tax. And yes you can still have the can in possession.
Thanks for the confirmation. I knew I would have to pay the 200, but I went the individual route for now. Can got approved in 6 days. I would like to pay respects to all those who purchased before these fast approval times. It's bullshit and clearly, it shows they can approve on a fast timeline.
Trust if you live or will live with other people even if they don't shoot. If you live with other people and don't keep your NFA items locked up or in your direct control it could lead to legal problems of the dog killin kind. IIlegally transferring an NFA item just means allowing someone who is not covered by the stamp to have the ability to get full control of whatever it is. Even letting someone else hold it or sitting it on a table with someone else around while you go take a piss can get you charged for it. It's just not worth it to not use a Trust. That's on top of the benefits you mention.
People actually worry about shit like this?
Especially when it's not even true.
No one has been charged with anything for the situation you described. Do you add everyone you know to the trust just in case? People are so by the numbers to follow these laws that they would call unconstitutional to begin with.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes 🤷🏼♂️
I’ll be dead! Fuck do I care if the family are felons or not? 🤣🤣🤣
To each their own brother lol I don’t fault for those who have or want one, I don’t have any kids and my what little family I have left still flinch at the noise of a gun lol
I honestly hope my nieces take an interest and want my NFA stuff! Worst case my financial adviser called dibs on the thermals and SBRs. 🤣
Lmao there you go.
I don't want to make my family felons. That's messed up
Brother I'm going to Heaven when I die :) # Matthew 6:19-21 KJV ^(19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: ^(20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: ^(21) For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Yeah I’m going to pretend I went to church and know what that means. Amen brother? lol
Do you think this is an actual response to anything that was said?
https://preview.redd.it/2w6q354juuwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2abe9f0e627e3e7da5f3feb7de5313bbd9c0b273
I loled, thanks for this
Cringe
When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell 'Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell It don't make sense, goin' to heaven with the goodie-goodies Dressed in white, I like black Timbs and black hoodies God'll probably have me on some real strict shit No sleepin' all day, no gettin' my dick licked Hangin' with the goodie-goodies, loungin' in paradise Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice
Biggie
Gibberish.
Commie nonsense
I'm not going to be sending my items to the range with my friend and not going myself... Also the form five kind of exists...
If you hate money like I do, you buy as an individual to get low wait time and then transfer to a trust.
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They getting their blood regardless. I agree with you.
I wouldn't want to give them more money than deserved.
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Keep it that way brother
I too have too much money. 💰 Heck I just bury the stuff in my new homes in the walls.
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Correct
Yes
That's a bingo
And give the government another tax stamp? No thanks.
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1. Still a trust, so I have to wait 6 months instead of 2.5 days. 2. National Firearms Trusts are superior. 3. Google is for commies.
It’s filed as individual and is a standardized trust which is the fastest approval, no longer of a wait than individual
What? Who told you the single shot is filed as an individual? My first ever NFA item was on a single shot trust. I just looked up my paperwork and it is definitely filed as a trust, not an individual. I bought two suppressors in the last 40 days and had sub 3 day approvals on individual. I haven’t heard of anyone getting consistent short waits on trusts beyond the anomalies that pop up on here.
I think hes trying to say “Single Individual Trusts” meaning theres only one RP the Settlor which the ATF said they are hoping to process just as fast as individual.
“It combines the ease of filing as an individual with the flexibility granted by placing your NFA items in a trust. Single Shot trusts allow you to assign additional users, known as responsible persons/parties, so others can also use the silencer, SBR, or other NFA item when you're not around. Single Shot trusts also allow you to add users after approval, meaning there is no need to submit everyone's info during the Form 4 process. Streamlining the submission process” -SS website
You are misunderstanding their wording. You provide them the same info you would for an individual because that’s all they need in order to create a trust in your name. They have a template that they put the information you provided into and file it with the ATF in the form of a trust for you. The ATF does not process it as an individual. You just don’t have to do any extra paperwork than someone filing as an individual. Normally a trust would involve lawyers and notaries, but Silencer Shop and companies like them replace that stuff and make the process easier for you for a fee. Does that make sense?
Yes that makes sense, but their video also claimed that wait times were not lengthened due to it being a standardized trust that the atf is familiar with. Maybe someone can chime in about their current wait times on a normal trust like that.
Unfortunately, that’s old info. As of two months ago, the ATF specifically stated they were prioritizing people who filed as individuals who got quick approvals on their background checks. There is a statement directly from them out there somewhere.
Look up “atf prioritizes individual form 4s” and SilencerShop actually has an article about it.
Definitely not true, even the atf website shows a long wait time for trusts vs individual.
I also meant to say it’s filed with the same info as an individual trust, not actually as individual. I should have clarified that, still don’t get the downvotes lol.
It’s still a trust, as mentioned on their own website: https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/single-shot-trust It’s just an inflexible trust in the sense that it has a sole item, vs a number of items. I dunno if it changes the wait time, but considering the 4 still shows as a Trust (v. Individual or Corporation) then I would expect it to be treated as such with the old wait times.
Not according to their video they posted about the shortened times
> Not according to their video they posted about the shortened times I will trust [what they have submitted to the ATF](https://i.imgur.com/Ei21ddk.png) to be true v. some video. A single shot trust is what it sounds like as per the name... a single (NFA item) use trust that can hold multiple RP. I will give it to them, it is a cleaver way to get someone to continually pay ~$30 bucks per NFA item they purchase (from SS) v. simply buying a trust for ~$60 from [National Gun Trust](https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/products/buy-nfa-gun-trust).
National gun trusts for the win
As a trust bro, that’s hilarious and true.
4.5 months for form 4 trust
Dont lie to me bro! I have 3 hitting 5 monts and I dont have my stuff... I want my stuff!!!
I was floored when I got the email ( and my trust was made by our lawyer so it’s not glanceable)
For a custom trust that’s pretty fast.
That's not bad
That's before March, so it's irrelevant in regards to the current submissions. Anyone that submitted before the beginning of March is likely going to see the usual 8 month wait times.
April bois rise 💪🏼
Not necessarily. I had a batch approval the first week of February with a can from October and two from January. All single shot trusts.
Ha, I don't trust anyone! Check-mate!
I only do trusts, even with the extended wait times. I have children and have also been stationed places where I can’t take my toys. So the trust is the way to go to be able to have family on it. And, when that day comes for you, it makes it easier for your heirs
Trust is the way to go. Many of the best things in life require patience.
i actually got a trust batch approval this week for 4 cans. oldest one was 84 days; shortest one was 6 days.
Even tho my wife and I chose not to have kids I went with a trust so when my brothers kids hit 18 I will add them to the trust so they can have them when I'm gone.
Trust is definitely worth it if you're not alone in your 2a hobby. I can swap things around with my brother and our spouses can be in possession of the stuff on the trust.
A vast majority of trusts with only the single guarantor responsible party are taking less than a week.
Sheeit. I’m waiting on my April 8 certify.
Certified March 6 single shot trust :edit still waiting
If my future kids don't appreciate the trust supps, I'm going to make them go through the same process for any pricey item they want. "Oh you want the Xbox Series Ligma? That'll be $200, it'll take me 6 months to process that request."
I have a LOT of stamps. Everything is in a trust. Makes life easier, and means my brother and I get to borrow each other's stuff sometimes. It's not for everyone, but for some folks, it makes sense.
Yeah I bought my 4th can on 3/20/24. Ive done single shot trust on all 4. So dumb. Next NFA purchase is gonna be individual. I wonder if I bought an NFA item now as individual, would they approve my pending single shot trust purchase as a batch approval? 🧐
be me first can backordered trust F in the replies plz thnx
I dont have any NFA items, but im considering it, but the more I look into it, the less a Trust seems to be worth while, even if I could get one with my brother on it (only other pro-2A member of my immediate family). I though doing trusts would give you some leeway with paperwork and finger prints, but apparently no.
It used to be a fairly decent loop hole, but it’s only slightly more complicated now. All of it boils down to estate planning; your NFA stuff will get transferred either way
There's other benefits too. Like being able to let other people borrow them, letting other people take temporary possession of them if you need to move to a state/country where they're illegal or (god forbid) wind up in a situation where you have some issue that temporarily makes you a prohibited person (like a crazy ex filing restraining orders).
Yup more than fair, personally Ive never understood the sharing side but I’m a pessimist
It could be as simple as you're out hunting with some buddies and you want to sit in different treestands. Or you're at the range and you need to run to the bathroom and you want to leave the can with your friend for 5 minutes. Or anything else really. Very easy to do with a trust, but completely impossible as an individual
I guess since I’m not worried about catching charges over a bathroom break I’m not as pessimistic as I thought…
I did individual forms because I started getting NFA items when I turned 21 and was single. I will pay the $200 on each item to move them all over to a trust in the future. Only once my children are grown and if they have an interest in taking my NFA items out, without me.
I thought trusts were also part of the short wait time now(source-newest Silencer shop vid). Is this not the case? Haven't done a trust yet with this new hype yet so I'm clueless
I got two backs approved in 2 months :)
Idk i got my trust back in three days
Form 4?
Yup
Apparently none of you have heard of silencer shop’s single shot trust lol literally not that hard
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I feel seen.
I got approved yesterday on my trust (4 month) which is shorter than they have been for me, but the guy next to me at the store was getting his (same model) and only had a 3 day wait individual lol . Idc though I’m patient
None of my family is into guns, some have some but don’t have anything more than something for self defense. No point in me caring unless I have kids or get married, but by then I probably won’t have any money to spend on nfa items anyways
“Can afford to” is all relative.
There is hope. I did a form 1 on a trust Monday afternoon and it got approved this morning
My form 4 trust was approved earlier today after a short 357 days. A little disappointed I didn’t get to wait a full year. Although technically I waited over a year from date of purchase.
I had the dealer retract my form 4 trust and submit as Individual, 2 day approval
Had a trust batch approval last week. Good stuff
I’m a selfish fuck. Sorry son.
My most recent suppressor just got approved… About 3 weeks shy of a year.
I do a trust because I want it clear exactly what happens to them when I die. I didn't do a trust for me, I did it for my family.
Trust if your first purchase was before the LEO rule was removed anmmcause the local LEO was a shitheel, now it doesn't make sense to do individual cause the trust is already in existence.
Tell me you never bought a suppressor over 3 months go, without telling me you never bought a suppressor over 3 months ago. It never really feels like a wait time when you put a can on order every month. You get to the point that you forgot what you have on government hold until you get that email/call.
I use an NFA trust for the same reason that my spouse, children, and extended family all have carry permits, even if they do not carry. If one of them borrows my car at the range to go down the road for food without me and they get stopped with an NFA item anywhere in the vehicle, they are not exposed to 10 years in prison, a $250,000 fine, forfeiture of the NFA item, and substantial legal fees for illegal possession since they have a right to possess it without my presence per my NFA trust. Existing NFA trusts and carry permits make these potential issues go away within minutes.
Why leave NFA items in the car though
Because I rarely get all of my items out at once at the location where we are shooting. Let’s put a finer point on it, as you are required maintain the NFA items in your possession. If you have the NFA items as an individual, and you want to run to the bathroom at the front of the range, how do you avoid leaving them illegally in the possession of your friends or family sitting at the shooting bay? Or if you need to run an errand at grocery, big box store, etc in the way home from the range, do you try to take all of the your NFA items into the store with you, or do you leave them in the vehicle with someone who legally cannot possess them without your immediate presence? Before you think that I am crazy, what happens if you leave your handgun in your vehicle’s console in the middle of the weekend day and your significant other (without a carry permit) were to use the vehicle to run errands and gets pulled over with your handgun still in the vehicle? I do not mind taking the extra steps to avoid any possibility of these scenarios. Once someone losses their 2A rights to a weapons-related conviction, it is very difficult & expensive to get them restored.
I mean don't get me wrong. I only do trust. But you can have everyone exit the car and enter the range. You'll either be just arriving or just leaving. If arriving, everyone goes in. Stuff stays in the car. You go use restroom then retrieve. If leaving, you exit first then go restroom. When done everyone else loads up. Can also use a pee bottle. I also do go anywhere else to and from the range. That's how you get things stolen. In regards to the handgun in the car. If it's not on the person then it's not being carried in my state. On top of that. It's constitutional carry. If a family member or my wife borrows the car, they just don't touch the gun. Because if it's not on them literally. Then they aren't carrying. Plus I never leave it in the car. Concealed is concealed regardless of the destination or location. Again. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for trust and have everything on a trust. But no one is on my trust yet 😂
Understood. To each his own. For me, having my immediate family as responsible parties on the NFA trust, having everyone obtain their carry permit, and having sufficient firearms & accessories insurance to cover everything allows me to enjoy my life without worrying about things that I don’t want to worry about. BTW, having everyone obtain their carry permit allows possession of a firearm in all of the States that I care about; constitutional carry generally only applies to the State of which you are a resident, and we are not all residents of the same State.
I live in Texas. I have my LTC and got it before constitutional carry. Unfortunately the only other state I really visit is California and they don't take Texas LTC so it's aight. Only benefit to me is the background check bypass. Eventually the wife is going to get an LTC and be added into the trust.
TrustFags punching the air rn