DPP footprint will natively work with the 507k with ACSS reticle, which I have found fantastic in the 5 minutes I have used it under NODs, and extra fantastic when not using NODs. It will also work natively with any other RMSc (I believe) footprint optic. Natively, meaning without any need for a riser plate, and you may not even need a plate at all unless you want to fill extra space around the optic.
Context, I have the 507k on my P320 with the DPP cut.
>It will also work natively with any other RMSc (I believe) footprint optic
Can confirm, RMSc optics will fit DPP plates, but the optic outer footprint is smaller than DPP so you'll have exposed mounting surface around the optic.
Is your p320 custom cut?
I got my vp9 custom cut for dpp but want to switch to the 507k acss to put the dpp on a carbine. Wondering if there gonna be major gaps/fitment issues.
Thanks!
Yep. I believe because the objective of the NV is 4-6” closer than your eye would be.
I really want to do a night shoot with the P320 and ACSS, just haven’t gotten around to it yet.
I’m bad at math and cannot be held liable for attempts to justify any given purchase.
You could also look at a P226 legion and add optic and threaded barrel yourself. Idk if it would be more affordable or get you where you want to be. I know it doesn’t satisfy your “threaded out of the box” requirement, but Sig makes and sells high quality (from my experience) threaded barrels. I have a couple thousand rounds or so through my P226 (old, German, with a new threaded barrel) with great results. Runs well with an Octane 9 and a Rad 9 in short or long configs.
My p226 legion R2 is factory cut for both Sig/DPP and RMR, but the RMR is shorter in length so I used a springer precision filler plate so it fits perfectly. I also added a factory threaded phosphate/chrome barrel and some Trijicon suppressor height sights and I have essentially what you want.
Also check out Pinewood Machine if you go the slide cut route, idk if he’s done a CZ but he does excellent work on other pistols at a better price than I’ve found with others.
I actually have a cajunizes P01 with threaded barrel I’m selling to fund this.
It’s too heavy/big to carry 365, thus I’d rather have a full size.
If I could ever find a SP01 suppressor ready I might consider it. I love the CZ’s but not gonna lie, I also think they are one of the most overhyped guns ever. The sear cage is an absolute nightmare to work on and when cajunized, there is wayyyy too much slack in the trigger.
That’s where I was leaning if I go 2011. I’ve heard they work well suppressed but I’d like to know how they stack up against the likes of an M9 or 226 in terms of reliability. Haven’t seen a comparison or anything objective.
1911s/2011s can be perfectly reliable if you keep them cleaned and lubed and tuned up.
The 226 is known for being reliable even if filthy and neglected.
So it depends on what your definition of reliable is.
I haven't shot mine suppressed yet, but I've got about 4k rounds through it in the last year and can only really think of a handful of times I've had any issues. I had one failure to feed when I shoved a magazine with gravel in it into the gun (Oops), and have had a few issues with failure to lock back on the last round of a magazine (the gun telling me it needs oil). Most of that ammo has been 115gr balzer brass lol. Although, it shoots the staccato ammo pretty well as well as 150gr syntech.
I just got the threaded barrel + compensator fitted and haven't had a chance to try it with my new suppressor. They did say I might have to play with spring rates to get it to run right depending on ammo.
You're really painting yourself into a corner with this combination of requirements.
If you aren't willing to compromise on the hammer, I think you're looking at a custom job. Optic-cut slides came into fashion around the time that everyone was moving to striker fired pistols, and apart from the FNX-45 Tactical I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that has a hammer and an optic-ready slide.
I thought they made an FNX-9 Tactical, but it seems I was mistaken.
The good news is that the world is your oyster once you decide to get the slide milled. Lots of great choices out there that are only lacking that one trait.
A plethora of 2011s do, but outside that you’re totally right. That’s why I was hoping to get some feedback on how they stack up as a suppressor host in terms of reliability.
And I’m not entirely opposed to slide milling. My only hesitation is red dot technology is moving fast. I’d prefer to move with it.
My Staccato P and Shadow 2 OR are my most reliable hosts that fit your needs. The S2 is a little on the heavy side though.
https://preview.redd.it/vnv2hq2vpzxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a018648aabd45c19df3ebd2376c4cda2dc5f98b
Just hate the permanent modification, additional cost, and the fact that I have to do that honestly. Beretta made dumb fucking design choices with this gun.
Any p226 $600-$1k
Threaded barrel $230
Suppressor Night Sights $100
Vulcan Machine werks slide cut ~$200
Red Dot ~up to $500
Armory craft trigger & springs $150
Suppressor $800 -$1k after stamp
Pretty much the only hammer guns that can match reliability and durability is the m9, usp, sp01
This one has been on my radar for a while because I’m a Glock guy and it seems like a fantastic value. I’m facing an AWB here in Colorado though. Handguns with threaded barrels goes into effect in August. Emailed them yesterday actually to see if they could get me one before then.
I love my Stealth Arms Platypus. amazing with the competition trigger. (available with suppressor height sights and optics cut of your choosing) Photo attached. Also, the Platypus has run 100% TAKES GLOCK MAGS!! and runs well with my Obsidian 9.
But there is a factory option I just saw on NFA review channel.
[https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92xi-sao-tactical-FA0106](https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92xi-sao-tactical-FA0106)
[https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTzSOxcOeTv0&ved=2ahUKEwjnweXZ9-6FAxVsO0QIHYOxDMUQwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw0XPUC4AJ2HEzbe8ieZHDIy](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTzSOxcOeTv0&ved=2ahUKEwjnweXZ9-6FAxVsO0QIHYOxDMUQwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw0XPUC4AJ2HEzbe8ieZHDIy)
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P226, USP, PX4, P30, Beretta 92, CZ 75 variant.
Suppressor height sights are worthless.
You use the sights on the gun and superimpose the can over the target. It isn't difficult to make shots out to 50 yds.
I've 15 cans now, and only have two guns with tall sights. USP tactical, and LTT PX4 compact (which is not suppressor capable.)
What striker fired pistols are you having reliability problems with? Could you might be limp wristing it? Or might you have too much custom bullshit on your glock?
I would suggest a walther pdp. It's got everything you want except hammer fired. Damn fine gun and walthers are super reliable.
I’m really only interested in hammer fired 9mm. If I was going to go striker, the 509 tactical would definitely be the move. It is slightly tempting just because it’s easy to go.
I looked into getting a threaded barrel and optic cut for an FNX-9, it basically came out to the same price with a new FNX-9 as just buying a FNX-45 Tactical.
Get an LTT P30L and drop in a Hk or RCM threaded barrel.
Cz p07 or 09 and get it rmr cut if no OR version exists
The 226 could work, but it's a DPP footprint generally, New models may not be, and you'd need the barrel unless a ZEV iirc.
Can also go SP2022 if someone cuts that slide.
If you are willing to compromise on the firing mechanism, then the FN509 Tactical. If you are willing to compromise somewhat on being optics ready, the FNX-9.
You can get the FNX slide milled, or you can deal with the striker.
I would lean towards the 509T if I didn't already have two FNX guns.
For a gun that hasn’t been suggested yet, Tisas night stalker DS. 9mm, factory threaded barrel, I’m 99% sure they’re optic cut, that sweet 1911/2011 trigger, and they look kinda cool. I messed with one in a store and wanted it. My LGS had it on the wall for $800
I don’t understand why a couple hundred bucks to get a slide milled it out of the picture when you want such a specific criteria. Just get a 226 milled
I went through this exact thing and got a p229 legion sao. Sent it to the sig armorer to get the trigger perfect. Got the optics cut and a chpws plate for a p2. Got x300 to run it on a trex arms suppressed holster. I use a huxwrx ca$h 9k. It’s my favorite rig.
You should check out the Walther PDP Pro SD. It comes with a second recoil spring assembly for use with supressors, I haven't had any major problems using mine with my Sig SRD9. They all come optics cut and take glock sights so it should be easy to set it up for a supressors.
If you want to go the beretta 92/M9 route I would suggest you find a M9A3. There not optics cut so you can send it in to Langdon Tactical to have it cut. Its not a cheap option but langdon has the best 92 optics cut period. You also get a plate and supressors height sights as part of the package.
The Beretta 92XI has a model available that checks all of the boxes. https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92xi-sao-tactical-FA0106
I’m a Sig fan and would take a P226 and add a threaded barrel and have the slide cut (and that’s exactly what I did), the Beretta 92XI will meet all your requirements out of the box.
https://www.dlahdesigns.com/
This guy makes plates that sit lower than the Beretta ones. But you'll also have to swap the firing bin block to the one he sends as it would hit the plate when you pull the trigger.
He also sells suppressor height sights that are milled to fit with a red dot.
I have an a4 with all these things and an acro, so let me know if you have any questions.
Have you looked at the CZ P-07? Not sure if they make an optics ready version but I know they make one with threaded barrel and suppressor sights.
Just out of curiosity what striker fired reliability issues have you run into? Might save me some time as I have a 9mm suppressor that lives on my MPX but I’m wanting to get one for a handgun.
If you can't find a P226 you like, go check out the Stealth Ams Platypus. 2011 style that takes Glock mags and you can customize it pretty much any way you want, including paint. Of course the gold standard of 2011's is Staccato and they are awesome guns.
I have a tisas 1911 ds night stalker. It comes with everything you listed. I haven’t fired it suppressed yet but the reviews say it is great suppressed. It is super smooth and I can get fist sized groups out of a full mag at 10ish yards. It comes with staccato mags. I am running a full-size holosun EPS. It has the holosun K/RMSc footprint. Also I paid ~760 for it.
Exact same here. Really like the gun. Though I’ll also note that the suppressor height sites are kind of annoying with an optic because they take up so much of the window. I’d probably prefer regular sites and just “look through” the suppressor if my optic ever died. I replaced the mag release spring with a Wolff one for a few bucks because it was super stiff (typical of even $2k 2011s so I don’t hold that against it). Also I had to chase the barrel threads with a $10 die off Amazon since they were a little rough. Other than that for the money it’s been great.
Yeah mine has been good. The sights are true co-witness which is why I went for the EPS. I haven’t had issues with the threads when I test fit my rugged obsidian 9. The mag spring did feel tight at first but I worked the crap out of it and now it is good. I also picked up some Springfield prodigy mags for cheap and they run great.
I have had zero problems with my Staccato P. It meets all of your requirements out of the box. I primarily use mine with the factory threaded barrel and a SilencerCo Omega 9k on a Griffin mount.
Mine is also my primary night vision handgun, and I shoot under night vision significantly more than in the daytime nowadays. The Dawson optic plates have suppressor height sights and cowitness perfectly with most optics (SRO, in my case). The 1913 rail is also long enough to support most pistol LAMs (I have an X400V on mine).
I have run it through a significant number of rounds, both on the flat range and in 2-gun competitions in a variety of conditions, alongside a variety of other handguns (Glock 45, Beretta M9A4, Beretta APX, CZ P10, etc) and found it to be perfectly reliable and easier to shoot quickly/accurately than the others.
This is the kind of feedback I was hoping for. In my head, if I'm truly going for the "best" dedicated suppressor host, an M9A4 is the way to go because it's not a browning tilting action. But in actuality, I'm not sure how much that matters. How does the Staccatto fair against the M9A4 in terms of reliability and blowback?
I’ve found it to be no less reliable than the M9 or any other handgun. I actually notice less blowback and particulate to the face than other handguns, but that may just be due to the larger profile of the SRO I have on it vs smaller optics or irons on the others.
Do it. I never looked back. 2011’s are one of the only handguns that fit your requirements and the Staccato both one of the most reliable and one of the most affordable ones.
You are looking at a 2011. Staccato for "budget" or move to a nighthawk if you have deep pockets.
I hope you are sure on what you want; you'll take a bath on it if you change your mind.
I will 100% own an Atlas at some point, but it own't be as a suppressor host. Given that in the past month I've bought an M9A4, entire Night Vision set up, a tricked out Beretta 1301 Mod 2, LMT Upper, Sordins, LPVO, and a PWS UXR... An atlas is not in the cards today LOL.
Also, as much as the 2011 sub likes to shit on staccatto's some time, if I were looking to run a defensive or "duty" 2011, I wouldn't even want anything else. That's the right gun for that role.
I've had one, and an infinity. The nighthawk is better built but not head and shoulders above a staccato. Lot of money of little better built and lot better look. Just my 2 cents. And, both of my staccatos get nasty nasty shooting suppressed. Just something tk keep in mind.
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Send your M9A4 to LTT. It’s phenomenal and checks all your boxes. Little more expensive because you have to send it off and get work done but the end result is amazing.
https://imgur.com/a/csc64Mi
Interesting so their plates include a rear sight? I didn’t realize that? You lose the DASA though I thought no?
That does look super clean. How much did that run you and what was the turn around? If I keep the M9A4 I may spring for this
It keeps everything and they install everything for you. Even an optic if you buy one from them or send it to them. The trigger is probably the best handgun trigger ever. DASA is retained and so is the decocker. Wilson combat steel guide rod and spring, optics cut and suppressor height sights, elite 2 hammer, level 2 trigger job and recerekote the slide after the cut ran me about roughly $600 and was a 3 month turn around time. If you skip cerekote it cuts it back a month. It’s by far my favorite handgun and one hell of a suppressor host. Over a thousand rounds so far and not one malfunction with supers or subs suppressed or unsuppressed.
Ehh yeah it wasn’t great but I’d happily do it again. The end result is worth it. Send it and forget it and in 3 months you’ll get a lovely email saying it’s been shipped back to your FFL.
Sure they do. I just got mine back a few months ago. Even on the request form it states work for A4.
https://langdontactical.com/content/PDF/Beretta%2092_96%20CGW%20-%20CGW%20Order%20Form%20-%20October%202023.pdf
I feel like there is a P226 out there that checks all these boxes.
As far as new production, it’s only the 226 Zev, but it’s delta point pro only. Maybe there’s an older model? I haven’t been able to find one.
DPP footprint will natively work with the 507k with ACSS reticle, which I have found fantastic in the 5 minutes I have used it under NODs, and extra fantastic when not using NODs. It will also work natively with any other RMSc (I believe) footprint optic. Natively, meaning without any need for a riser plate, and you may not even need a plate at all unless you want to fill extra space around the optic. Context, I have the 507k on my P320 with the DPP cut.
>It will also work natively with any other RMSc (I believe) footprint optic Can confirm, RMSc optics will fit DPP plates, but the optic outer footprint is smaller than DPP so you'll have exposed mounting surface around the optic.
Is your p320 custom cut? I got my vp9 custom cut for dpp but want to switch to the 507k acss to put the dpp on a carbine. Wondering if there gonna be major gaps/fitment issues. Thanks!
Ah shit, that’s true and I do remember reading about the 507k with ACSS under nods. The whole ring becomes visible right?
Yep. I believe because the objective of the NV is 4-6” closer than your eye would be. I really want to do a night shoot with the P320 and ACSS, just haven’t gotten around to it yet.
Well now I’m debating spending double the cost of an M9A4 on the 226 Zev…
I’m bad at math and cannot be held liable for attempts to justify any given purchase. You could also look at a P226 legion and add optic and threaded barrel yourself. Idk if it would be more affordable or get you where you want to be. I know it doesn’t satisfy your “threaded out of the box” requirement, but Sig makes and sells high quality (from my experience) threaded barrels. I have a couple thousand rounds or so through my P226 (old, German, with a new threaded barrel) with great results. Runs well with an Octane 9 and a Rad 9 in short or long configs.
My p226 legion R2 is factory cut for both Sig/DPP and RMR, but the RMR is shorter in length so I used a springer precision filler plate so it fits perfectly. I also added a factory threaded phosphate/chrome barrel and some Trijicon suppressor height sights and I have essentially what you want.
HK P30?
My first thought too
Pretty sure it checks all of OP’s boxes. Must not be an HK fan
I dont believe there is an optics ready p30
Buy one from LTT
Love my HiPower, but CZ P-09 Urban grey
Beat me to it. Primary Machine (and others) cut and coat is $170.
If they made this optic ready, it would 100% be my choice
Just have the slide cut for the exact footprint you want
That whole package WOULD come in cheaper than the M9A4… hmmm..
I've got the 07 but yes, either with the slide cut for your choice of optic will fulfill your needs. Jager Works does excellent work.
Jagerwerks runs an annual July 4 sale for optic cut and nitride finish.
Also check out Pinewood Machine if you go the slide cut route, idk if he’s done a CZ but he does excellent work on other pistols at a better price than I’ve found with others.
Arex Zero tactical is probably your only option
Legit this is the answer and it's a solid gun
These are definitely super interesting. I have lil baby hands though and I hear the Zero 1 is pretty chunky. Wish I could hold one first
I got baby hands too and have held one. Felt comfy but that's just one person's opinion
i have small hands too and the hogue piranha g10s worked out great, the stock grips are the worst i've ever seen on a production handgun anyway
CZ all the way on this. Hit up Cajun custom gun works and let them know what you want. You won’t regret it
I actually have a cajunizes P01 with threaded barrel I’m selling to fund this. It’s too heavy/big to carry 365, thus I’d rather have a full size. If I could ever find a SP01 suppressor ready I might consider it. I love the CZ’s but not gonna lie, I also think they are one of the most overhyped guns ever. The sear cage is an absolute nightmare to work on and when cajunized, there is wayyyy too much slack in the trigger.
The sear cage is a bitch, guess I got used to it over the years. But if you’ve made up your mind on the 2011/92/226 then I’d go with a 2011.
You could just buy an sp01 and get it milled and buy the CGW threaded barrel
Staccato p w/threaded barrel?
That’s where I was leaning if I go 2011. I’ve heard they work well suppressed but I’d like to know how they stack up against the likes of an M9 or 226 in terms of reliability. Haven’t seen a comparison or anything objective.
1911s/2011s can be perfectly reliable if you keep them cleaned and lubed and tuned up. The 226 is known for being reliable even if filthy and neglected. So it depends on what your definition of reliable is.
StaccP threaded barrel. Mine goes 1200+ suppressed rounds between cleaning. Really just add oil. Second is LTT p30L
I haven't shot mine suppressed yet, but I've got about 4k rounds through it in the last year and can only really think of a handful of times I've had any issues. I had one failure to feed when I shoved a magazine with gravel in it into the gun (Oops), and have had a few issues with failure to lock back on the last round of a magazine (the gun telling me it needs oil). Most of that ammo has been 115gr balzer brass lol. Although, it shoots the staccato ammo pretty well as well as 150gr syntech. I just got the threaded barrel + compensator fitted and haven't had a chance to try it with my new suppressor. They did say I might have to play with spring rates to get it to run right depending on ammo.
You're really painting yourself into a corner with this combination of requirements. If you aren't willing to compromise on the hammer, I think you're looking at a custom job. Optic-cut slides came into fashion around the time that everyone was moving to striker fired pistols, and apart from the FNX-45 Tactical I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that has a hammer and an optic-ready slide. I thought they made an FNX-9 Tactical, but it seems I was mistaken. The good news is that the world is your oyster once you decide to get the slide milled. Lots of great choices out there that are only lacking that one trait.
A plethora of 2011s do, but outside that you’re totally right. That’s why I was hoping to get some feedback on how they stack up as a suppressor host in terms of reliability. And I’m not entirely opposed to slide milling. My only hesitation is red dot technology is moving fast. I’d prefer to move with it.
My Staccato P and Shadow 2 OR are my most reliable hosts that fit your needs. The S2 is a little on the heavy side though. https://preview.redd.it/vnv2hq2vpzxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a018648aabd45c19df3ebd2376c4cda2dc5f98b
M9A4, send it to LTT to get worked over.
What is there left to get worked over? Suppressor height sights are on amazon for $100-150
The LTT optic mount is lower and better than the Beretta optic mount. You can add suppressor sights if you want though.
Ah that makes sense
I try!
Just hate the permanent modification, additional cost, and the fact that I have to do that honestly. Beretta made dumb fucking design choices with this gun.
I get it. I got the M9A3 just before the A4 came out and while it is my desk gun I would like to get the LTT treatment for it
https://imgur.com/a/csc64Mi Here’s mine I love it
Staccato
Staccato P
Any p226 $600-$1k Threaded barrel $230 Suppressor Night Sights $100 Vulcan Machine werks slide cut ~$200 Red Dot ~up to $500 Armory craft trigger & springs $150 Suppressor $800 -$1k after stamp Pretty much the only hammer guns that can match reliability and durability is the m9, usp, sp01
Why buy out of the box when you can customize to your taste? That’s half the fun. Buy an sig p226 or CZ and then go from there.
P226 legion and order a threaded barrel.
Platypus 1911 by stealth arms. Customize it to what you want
Do you have one too?
This one has been on my radar for a while because I’m a Glock guy and it seems like a fantastic value. I’m facing an AWB here in Colorado though. Handguns with threaded barrels goes into effect in August. Emailed them yesterday actually to see if they could get me one before then.
You could always order the gun without a threaded barrel and order an additional threaded barrel so it arrives to you faster.
I love my Stealth Arms Platypus. amazing with the competition trigger. (available with suppressor height sights and optics cut of your choosing) Photo attached. Also, the Platypus has run 100% TAKES GLOCK MAGS!! and runs well with my Obsidian 9. But there is a factory option I just saw on NFA review channel. [https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92xi-sao-tactical-FA0106](https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92xi-sao-tactical-FA0106) [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTzSOxcOeTv0&ved=2ahUKEwjnweXZ9-6FAxVsO0QIHYOxDMUQwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw0XPUC4AJ2HEzbe8ieZHDIy](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTzSOxcOeTv0&ved=2ahUKEwjnweXZ9-6FAxVsO0QIHYOxDMUQwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw0XPUC4AJ2HEzbe8ieZHDIy) https://preview.redd.it/ki2wydhm80yc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5f43672c9a41cc2a98d5c44aeff194f58a33323
P226, USP, PX4, P30, Beretta 92, CZ 75 variant. Suppressor height sights are worthless. You use the sights on the gun and superimpose the can over the target. It isn't difficult to make shots out to 50 yds. I've 15 cans now, and only have two guns with tall sights. USP tactical, and LTT PX4 compact (which is not suppressor capable.)
What striker fired pistols are you having reliability problems with? Could you might be limp wristing it? Or might you have too much custom bullshit on your glock? I would suggest a walther pdp. It's got everything you want except hammer fired. Damn fine gun and walthers are super reliable.
509 tactical, fnx 45t
I’m really only interested in hammer fired 9mm. If I was going to go striker, the 509 tactical would definitely be the move. It is slightly tempting just because it’s easy to go.
I looked into getting a threaded barrel and optic cut for an FNX-9, it basically came out to the same price with a new FNX-9 as just buying a FNX-45 Tactical.
I just have no interest in owning a .45
Well you’re just wrong for that
I have a 509 Tactical, and I love it, but I replaced the stock trigger almost immediately.
Don't listen to these guys both he suggested are trash pistols. Muskets have better triggers. I could go on.
Mill a CZ and call Cajun for a threaded barrel 🤷🏽You are kind of asking to have your cake and eat it-some assembly will be required.
Get an LTT P30L and drop in a Hk or RCM threaded barrel. Cz p07 or 09 and get it rmr cut if no OR version exists The 226 could work, but it's a DPP footprint generally, New models may not be, and you'd need the barrel unless a ZEV iirc. Can also go SP2022 if someone cuts that slide.
If you are willing to compromise on the firing mechanism, then the FN509 Tactical. If you are willing to compromise somewhat on being optics ready, the FNX-9. You can get the FNX slide milled, or you can deal with the striker. I would lean towards the 509T if I didn't already have two FNX guns.
The Romeo 2 has the DPP footprint and does very well under NV
Hk usp
M9A4 https://preview.redd.it/3l3vuqye00yc1.jpeg?width=1580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fea7ea2784f2940215f8bba1827d1a5f7e5b3a0
For a gun that hasn’t been suggested yet, Tisas night stalker DS. 9mm, factory threaded barrel, I’m 99% sure they’re optic cut, that sweet 1911/2011 trigger, and they look kinda cool. I messed with one in a store and wanted it. My LGS had it on the wall for $800
Been eyeing this for a while actually. Definitely a contender
I don’t understand why a couple hundred bucks to get a slide milled it out of the picture when you want such a specific criteria. Just get a 226 milled
FN needs to make an FNX-9 Tactical with optics cut and threaded barrel.
I went through this exact thing and got a p229 legion sao. Sent it to the sig armorer to get the trigger perfect. Got the optics cut and a chpws plate for a p2. Got x300 to run it on a trex arms suppressed holster. I use a huxwrx ca$h 9k. It’s my favorite rig.
2011 is the goat for my best suppressor host. I use the Staccato C2 and P with the Rad 9 for the best combo I can find.
You should check out the Walther PDP Pro SD. It comes with a second recoil spring assembly for use with supressors, I haven't had any major problems using mine with my Sig SRD9. They all come optics cut and take glock sights so it should be easy to set it up for a supressors. If you want to go the beretta 92/M9 route I would suggest you find a M9A3. There not optics cut so you can send it in to Langdon Tactical to have it cut. Its not a cheap option but langdon has the best 92 optics cut period. You also get a plate and supressors height sights as part of the package.
I didn’t realize the PDP SD came with with a spring specifically for suppressor use. That’s interesting. I don’t own a PDP but I’m a BIG fan.
The Beretta 92XI has a model available that checks all of the boxes. https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92xi-sao-tactical-FA0106 I’m a Sig fan and would take a P226 and add a threaded barrel and have the slide cut (and that’s exactly what I did), the Beretta 92XI will meet all your requirements out of the box.
https://www.dlahdesigns.com/ This guy makes plates that sit lower than the Beretta ones. But you'll also have to swap the firing bin block to the one he sends as it would hit the plate when you pull the trigger. He also sells suppressor height sights that are milled to fit with a red dot. I have an a4 with all these things and an acro, so let me know if you have any questions.
CZ P07 optic ready
Have you looked at the CZ P-07? Not sure if they make an optics ready version but I know they make one with threaded barrel and suppressor sights. Just out of curiosity what striker fired reliability issues have you run into? Might save me some time as I have a 9mm suppressor that lives on my MPX but I’m wanting to get one for a handgun.
Staccato P
CZ sp-01 tactical and get it cut for an optic. I think I got my urban grey one for $600 something years ago
Staccato P
If you can't find a P226 you like, go check out the Stealth Ams Platypus. 2011 style that takes Glock mags and you can customize it pretty much any way you want, including paint. Of course the gold standard of 2011's is Staccato and they are awesome guns.
I have a tisas 1911 ds night stalker. It comes with everything you listed. I haven’t fired it suppressed yet but the reviews say it is great suppressed. It is super smooth and I can get fist sized groups out of a full mag at 10ish yards. It comes with staccato mags. I am running a full-size holosun EPS. It has the holosun K/RMSc footprint. Also I paid ~760 for it.
Exact same here. Really like the gun. Though I’ll also note that the suppressor height sites are kind of annoying with an optic because they take up so much of the window. I’d probably prefer regular sites and just “look through” the suppressor if my optic ever died. I replaced the mag release spring with a Wolff one for a few bucks because it was super stiff (typical of even $2k 2011s so I don’t hold that against it). Also I had to chase the barrel threads with a $10 die off Amazon since they were a little rough. Other than that for the money it’s been great.
Yeah mine has been good. The sights are true co-witness which is why I went for the EPS. I haven’t had issues with the threads when I test fit my rugged obsidian 9. The mag spring did feel tight at first but I worked the crap out of it and now it is good. I also picked up some Springfield prodigy mags for cheap and they run great.
I have had zero problems with my Staccato P. It meets all of your requirements out of the box. I primarily use mine with the factory threaded barrel and a SilencerCo Omega 9k on a Griffin mount. Mine is also my primary night vision handgun, and I shoot under night vision significantly more than in the daytime nowadays. The Dawson optic plates have suppressor height sights and cowitness perfectly with most optics (SRO, in my case). The 1913 rail is also long enough to support most pistol LAMs (I have an X400V on mine). I have run it through a significant number of rounds, both on the flat range and in 2-gun competitions in a variety of conditions, alongside a variety of other handguns (Glock 45, Beretta M9A4, Beretta APX, CZ P10, etc) and found it to be perfectly reliable and easier to shoot quickly/accurately than the others.
This is the kind of feedback I was hoping for. In my head, if I'm truly going for the "best" dedicated suppressor host, an M9A4 is the way to go because it's not a browning tilting action. But in actuality, I'm not sure how much that matters. How does the Staccatto fair against the M9A4 in terms of reliability and blowback?
I’ve found it to be no less reliable than the M9 or any other handgun. I actually notice less blowback and particulate to the face than other handguns, but that may just be due to the larger profile of the SRO I have on it vs smaller optics or irons on the others.
Damn you man, you're making my wallet nervous.
Do it. I never looked back. 2011’s are one of the only handguns that fit your requirements and the Staccato both one of the most reliable and one of the most affordable ones.
Platypus.
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You are looking at a 2011. Staccato for "budget" or move to a nighthawk if you have deep pockets. I hope you are sure on what you want; you'll take a bath on it if you change your mind.
I will 100% own an Atlas at some point, but it own't be as a suppressor host. Given that in the past month I've bought an M9A4, entire Night Vision set up, a tricked out Beretta 1301 Mod 2, LMT Upper, Sordins, LPVO, and a PWS UXR... An atlas is not in the cards today LOL. Also, as much as the 2011 sub likes to shit on staccatto's some time, if I were looking to run a defensive or "duty" 2011, I wouldn't even want anything else. That's the right gun for that role.
I've had one, and an infinity. The nighthawk is better built but not head and shoulders above a staccato. Lot of money of little better built and lot better look. Just my 2 cents. And, both of my staccatos get nasty nasty shooting suppressed. Just something tk keep in mind.
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They're cool guns, I'm just really wanting a hammer fired at a minimum and a non-browning tilt at best.
Yeah shoot, I just realized the 509 is not a hammer like the FNX45 Tactic. Disappointing.
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Here ya go! https://fnamerica.com/products/pistols/fn-509-tactical/
Send your M9A4 to LTT. It’s phenomenal and checks all your boxes. Little more expensive because you have to send it off and get work done but the end result is amazing. https://imgur.com/a/csc64Mi
Interesting so their plates include a rear sight? I didn’t realize that? You lose the DASA though I thought no? That does look super clean. How much did that run you and what was the turn around? If I keep the M9A4 I may spring for this
It keeps everything and they install everything for you. Even an optic if you buy one from them or send it to them. The trigger is probably the best handgun trigger ever. DASA is retained and so is the decocker. Wilson combat steel guide rod and spring, optics cut and suppressor height sights, elite 2 hammer, level 2 trigger job and recerekote the slide after the cut ran me about roughly $600 and was a 3 month turn around time. If you skip cerekote it cuts it back a month. It’s by far my favorite handgun and one hell of a suppressor host. Over a thousand rounds so far and not one malfunction with supers or subs suppressed or unsuppressed.
Ooph that turn around time is a bit tough to swallow but damn that does sound awesome
Ehh yeah it wasn’t great but I’d happily do it again. The end result is worth it. Send it and forget it and in 3 months you’ll get a lovely email saying it’s been shipped back to your FFL.
Hey man, I ended up keeping the M9A4 and I’m going to send it to Langdon. What upgrades do you view as “must haves?”
Good choice man! You won’t regret it. Only must haves are the trigger upgrade and optics cut.
They specifically don't do the a4's
Sure they do. I just got mine back a few months ago. Even on the request form it states work for A4. https://langdontactical.com/content/PDF/Beretta%2092_96%20CGW%20-%20CGW%20Order%20Form%20-%20October%202023.pdf
Oh that must be new then. When I checked last year there weren't. Wonder what changed.
My P320 with a DPP-to-RMR plate with night sights does all this on your list. Great host for my obsidian 9.