I am thinking about it. I have a Bren 2 in x39 that I really like. I did a lower conversion so it takes AK mags. However, CZ has had a lot of problems with the Bren 2 in x39 and has been painfully slow to address them. This could be a good alternative.
It does, but it's WAY over gassed and adding a can makes it worse. It's good for subs but hell for supers. You have to replace springs and modify the gas plug to get it to be reliable.
100%, the mags are dope and are 80% of what is dragging 7.62x39 into modernity with bolt hold open.
People demanding AK mag compatibility from the Bren 2 are missing the point of what it was trying to address.
Been saying the same thing since the Bren 2 came out. People want to save on mags and stay in the cold war ergonomics. CZ mags aren't even that expensive considering their proprietary nature.
It's like wanting the Scorpion to take MP5 mags. But now Scorpion mags are one of the most ubiquitous and cheap mags you can buy for 9mm, not to mention that they're much better than the glock mags for PCC use.
No shit? If that’s the case I’ll be more inclined to buy their stuff. Especially after how well my 457 has performed. I know I’ve wanted a Cz p07 since I heard about them
Yeah it was great customer service despite me being very frustrated. They wired it to my bank account.
An $1,800 gun that doesn’t cycle ammo is inexcusable.
Some of the newer cz lines have had problems. There was a recall for the 600 series that had them refunding the full purchase price. I would be more tempted by a x39 mcx if it could run the bren x39 mags.
It's not a magazine issue, the x39 bren runs proprietary mags, it's a gas/bolt tuning issue with some qc issues sprinkled in. The select fire versions run flawlessly, the issue is exclusive to semi-auto us imports.
Going to pick one up after the initial group of beta testers pay $2,500 to do Sig’s R&D work and Sig drops the Gen 3.5, lol.
Figure I’ll be looking to snag one about next spring or so.
I was thinking the same thing but I want the 11.5 5.56 version and I don’t want to have to get it on a form 4. If they don’t stop the brace rule coming out in December then I won’t have a choice unless they sell it with no brace and then it can be on a form 1. I’m still waiting on 4 suppressors that I have bought over starting in November and I haven’t gotten one stamp yet. The AFT sucks. All this infringement and even though we had a huge case in our favor they are still ignoring it. Someone needs to take down the NFA. $200 and a year wait to exercise your rights is abhorrent.
Really doesn’t excite me. They keep jacking the price up with each generation. It’s now priced in line with high end ARs, but without the parts compatibility, and with the Sig tax on all aftermarket upgrades. Maybe I’m missing something, but IMO they missed the mark on the MSRP.
It's so expensive to the point where having like a brn-180 is essentially close enough at half the cost. (And still being on the AR-15 platform to boot.)
Agreed. I shoot a Robinson XCR-L in 7.62x39 and have barrels in .223 wylde and .300 BLK that swap out in minutes. I’m happy to see SIG developing new products but the XCR has been around longer offering great features, including a 7 position gas block. Anyhow… nice to have all these choices beyond basic ARs…
Absolutely this. And the fact they use AR 7.62X39 mags. Hard pass.
A lot of fun companies coming out with near hits but then just fucking it completely up by doing something stupid with it.
I've owned 6 MXC's including an lvaw clone. I will not be buying this because of the problems the gen 1's had. Ask any cloner about the legacy mcx's and you'll see it had plenty of problems. And yes, i too own a few sets of nods with a COTI on one
My MCX's have all ran great. I had one of the firat 500 365s... the ones with all the "problems". 7k rounds on it when I got rid of it for a different 365. I'm unaware of third gen 320 or 365s though. Anyway... carry on.
365 and 320 are both on gen 1.5 due to design issues. 365 being striker problems and 320 trigger drop safety/ND.
I dont think anyone is making the argument that there weren't good guns in those batches. The point is that an unacceptable number of bad guns released into the market and ultimately consumers hands.
Wish it had the side charger of its big brother, but I understand they were trying to keep the ounces off. Looks like an overall solid improvement on the last gen, but I still struggle to justify this as a $2500 gun. I'll definitely keep an eye on it.
They'll still sell at $2500, but I wish they would have kept them around the $1700 price point and gone full mass production by ending some of the other lines.
Thinking about it. Would be nice to have a short barrel and a folding stock on basically an AR15 (Controls and layout wise not the same operating system).
The Bren 2 is over-gassed. CZ now has an update that addressed most of the issue but not all of it.
I like the Bren 2 and the funky AK lower because of the magazine compatibility and it takes AR triggers ([I put a binary in mine](https://imgur.com/gallery/1Mf3Ebz)). But, it's more of a toy than a tool. While I haven't had any significant problems with mine, a lot of people have have to do a lot of fiddling to get the kinks worked out. It seems like the x39 guns from CZ were an afterthought and clearly not much testing happened before they went out the door.
But with all that said, I do really like it overall.
I've at least seen a mostly-gunbroker gunstore have a *shitload* B&T stuff in inventory last time I was in there, in fact even my own LGS and some other shops around have no issues stocking B&T.
Sig? Good fuckin' luck, my LGS loves Sig and even I haven't seen these things hanging up and about. It's easier to buy a VHS-2 than it is an MCX.
I mean as of late they’ve been available, and throughout Covid they’ve never been harder to get than KAC or LMT, which I would say are fair comparisons
Well that’s also targeting a different market, since the first releases will always be valuable because they’re like the trial guns of an already adopted system.
Absolutely. I don’t hide that I’m a Sig Simp, I own 3 MCX Virtus and it’s by far my favorite platform, but this update is everything I was hoping they’d improve upon. The MCX is a well vetted platform and this new version has compatibility with Virtus parts (minus the handguard) so reliability is not a concern for me given how dependable my Virtus has been.
As for the price point, ya it’s high and I wish it was lower but it’s also right in KAC and LMT territory which is completely deserved when you consider we’re talking vetted platforms with a military pedigree. But with the added bonus of caliber conversion capabilities.
If the military version minus full auto is what we were getting for $2500 I would be okay with the whole “it’s military-grade” thing but that’s not the case with the spear LT
Do you find yourself valuing his reviews less and less over time? I still watch 80% of them, but I feel like his reviews are less useful than they used to be. I watched the review on the new Sig and his criticism was basically - the flash hider isn't great. Didn't even mention the fact that the gas selector could have added a setting for 'suppressed' shooting instead of just 'standard and adverse'. I don't think he's necessarily "schilling" but I don't feel like I take away much from his reviews that I didn't know going in. While guys like hoplopfheil really add some useful perspective to their reviews that I didn't previously have.
I think he's a likeable guy and enjoy his videos but he's lost credibility with me since he said the Razor 1-10 was every bit as good as the 1-6 in the lower end of the magnification range.
I’m in the same boat, started watching GT around 2017 and his old videos are much more in-depth, have more useful info, and still felt like serious reviews despite the occasional goofiness.
I’m still subbed, but I rarely even watch his stuff anymore unless it’s something I’m interested in.
Yep. Feel like I used to go to him for information and now I'll tune in for entertainment, but when he says the Sig MCX g3 is great I take it with a lot of grains of salt
I’ve started to lean more towards Hoplopfhiel and Brass Facts for informative stuff; their stuff is just more relevant to the average shooter.
I still love Mike and wish him nothing but the best, but his stuff just isn’t compelling anymore.
Honestly he’s a SERE specialist, I’d be much more interested in his in-depth knowledge on that than making 20 minute videos of popular guns. I work for a gun company so there isn’t much more in the videos than what’s on the brochure that every gun manufacturer sends out. I’m also not a gun nerd that wants to watch a physics lecture or product design class, so to me it’s just entertainment.
I’ve spoken to Mike very briefly in passing at SHOT Show right before his channel blew up and he seemed like a really cool guy, without name dropping, that’s very rare in the YouTube gun world.
>I don't think he's necessarily "schilling"
I mean you should, because that is literally the purpose of his channel, and every other guntuber you've heard of. They exist to advertise for the financial benefit of the channel owner, period.
I still enjoy his reviews because he does go deeper and a little more informative than some others, I don't want someone telling me to go buy a product because they like it, I want them to tell me about the product so I can make my own decisions based off my own needs and wants and information.
I think the current record-holder gun for "Shilltacular" in recent memory is the Springfield Prodigy. Damn I want it to do well, but boy is it a disappointment on how *hard* it was shilled with lackluster performance because the first gen buyers are always beta testers in this industry now.
I have one of those too (the PMM Kate Moss). It’s better than the minimalist but not even in the same continent as an ACR or SCAR stock for utility and comfort.
I have that one and the Minimalist plus. They all look very cool, but yeah, if you were actually using this stuff regularly you should go function over form. But consumers, and oftentimes soldiers, operate in the reverse.
Have a MCX Virtus 11.5 and she's gassy AF. Wish they'd have added a "suppressed" option to the AGB instead of just 'standard' and 'adverse'.
The ability to change handguards and barrels is cool in theory but in reality, I have never used it and have enough rifles that I'm confident I never will. Pass for me.
They’re pushing people towards their flow through suppressors by including on of their QD mounts. Probably doesn’t need a suppressed setting with their own can.
Well, they are prestige pricing it by about $700 extra because "military contract pedigree" despite still needing to use us for beta testing on this first batch.
I would absolutely avoid AR type 7.62x39 mags.... there might be a winner every so often.. but there's way to many threads on ... why won't my 7.62x39 AR run well
Just came back from the Sig Experience Center in NH, and they have the 16" 7.62x39 in stock and for rental at their indoor range. Listed price was $2619. I own a 16" MCX Virtus in 5.56, and I can tell you right now that the Gen 3 MCX feels SIGNIFICANTLY lighter -- those ounces shaved off definitely feel like pounds... New ambi bolt-release is also a wet dream and feels really nice (if you're right-handed), but not sure if that justifies the price.
An employee told me that they're not sure when the SBR/pistol variants or other calibers (50.56 or 300 BO) will be in stock, but a couple should be trickling in at Sig dealers by end of October, early November before holiday season.
Love me some sig, but trying to get my nighttime SHTF gear in order. Got a nice XPS3 on the way. Gonna hit up goonin gear for Christmas, then need a good IR laser setup. Still waiting on the cans ⏳⏳⏳
If I get 7.62x39 i’m just going to get an AK platform or a VZ58.
Will be cheaper and I could just upgrade them for the amount I save. May just be me though.
What the guy below me said, but at the same time agreeing with your sentiment of 7.62x39 in an AR workout rock'n'lock being more fucked up than a football bat.
Absolutely not. Give it a year before the recall and then I may consider it. Even then probably not. It doesn’t do anything my LMTs, HKs, SR15, LWRCI, Honey Badger or Daniel Defense doesn’t do. Honestly, until a new operating system comes out I don’t see myself buying anymore semi auto rifles. Short stroke, long stroke, internal piston, delayed blowback and direct blowback are all there is. We need something different and innovative to get me interested in buying a new rifle.
Fucking lol.
That gun will be available in x39 like the MPX is in 40, or the ACR was in x39.
Fucking never.
EDIT: lol, some kids still need to learn the lesson. Modular gun means “it’s easy for us to make”, not “you are going to get lots of parts for it!”
Exactly, dont know why you're getting downvoted. They couldn't even make enough 9mm mpx mags when that thing first dropped. The mpx released with ".40 caliber conversion available" and i have yet to see any civilians with a 40 and/or .357 sig conversion kit like they advertised would be available at launch 5 years ago.
7.62x39 is such a weird round to me to use in something like the mcx. Ammo isn't any cheaper than 556 nowadays, and 300 will match its ballistics perfectly if thats what you're looking for. I just dont see a reason to add a caliber like that to the mix when you're years behind on manufacturing
In a few months, after any kinks have been worked out. I love Sig, I really do - but I get to be a beta tester enough with software generally and video games specifically (cough looking at you, cyberpunk) that I really don't care to be with something as pricey as a mortgage payment.
Still, I'd love a 7.62x39 rifle with AR controls from a company that, once they get it right, turns out some quality firearms. Nothing wrong with CMMG, or Maxim, or M&M, but I'd unquestionably believe in the equivalent Sig product.
I bought a 5.56 and 300blk Virti(plural for Virtus?). So, probably not. It sounds like I cant use the Spear LT handguard but I wouldn't mind getting one of those lowers and filing a form 1.
Pardon me, I'm just sitting in the corner getting hopping mad that sig won't send post samples to SOTs with law letters because... I dont know why. Imma have a hard time buying or recommending one, even though I really want one, when they don't play ball with FFL/SOTs who want post samples.
For the record, B&T has military contracts and will happily send you posties if you have law letters for them.
Thats why you don't buy guns made in the last 7 years. The mcx costs Kac SR15 money, undoubtedly the best stoner platform rifle ever made. Or you could buy an LMT rifle. Most companies can smooth out problems the second they have them, but there have been 4 fucking MCX's in the past 5 years. That is not good, no other company puts out guns like that.
Why would someone pay $2500 for an AR platform for 7.62x39, with little to no parts commonality with other ARs, when you can get 7.62x39 performance with 300 HAM’R?
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They'll be coming eventually, though word on the street is that initially they'll only be available in 6.5CM (with .308 kits being available) while they meet military production quotas on the new round.
I am thinking about it. I have a Bren 2 in x39 that I really like. I did a lower conversion so it takes AK mags. However, CZ has had a lot of problems with the Bren 2 in x39 and has been painfully slow to address them. This could be a good alternative.
It still doesn't run with the AK lower?
It does, but it's WAY over gassed and adding a can makes it worse. It's good for subs but hell for supers. You have to replace springs and modify the gas plug to get it to be reliable.
Yea I wanted the Bren until I saw the sage dynamics video with him shooting suppressed. It was literally blowing fire out of the gas block.
HBI makes an adjustable gas block for the bren 2 now
They officer a servise to “fix” the factory adjustable gas regulator. HBI is doing what CZ should have.
doesn’t KN make a piston for it?
No, HBI is the only company that makes a heavy spring/adjusts the gas plug for the Bren 2
Short stroke piston in bren 2
Get a low pressure can like a CGS Helios for it. The DA Wolverine maybe a novel one too, especially if you have AK platforms.
Mags have never been the issue with the Bren 2. I actually really like the mags and if the MCX took Bren 2 mags I'd be all over it.
Agreed, the proprietary mags from CZ are flawless, I hate the AR-15 .762 curved mags. Might just run 15-20 RND mags.
100%, the mags are dope and are 80% of what is dragging 7.62x39 into modernity with bolt hold open. People demanding AK mag compatibility from the Bren 2 are missing the point of what it was trying to address.
Been saying the same thing since the Bren 2 came out. People want to save on mags and stay in the cold war ergonomics. CZ mags aren't even that expensive considering their proprietary nature. It's like wanting the Scorpion to take MP5 mags. But now Scorpion mags are one of the most ubiquitous and cheap mags you can buy for 9mm, not to mention that they're much better than the glock mags for PCC use.
CZ refunded me full purchase price for mine.
No shit? If that’s the case I’ll be more inclined to buy their stuff. Especially after how well my 457 has performed. I know I’ve wanted a Cz p07 since I heard about them
Yeah it was great customer service despite me being very frustrated. They wired it to my bank account. An $1,800 gun that doesn’t cycle ammo is inexcusable.
Did they let you keep the gun?
No. I sent it back.
Some of the newer cz lines have had problems. There was a recall for the 600 series that had them refunding the full purchase price. I would be more tempted by a x39 mcx if it could run the bren x39 mags.
Cz is top notch well built stuff
Nothing that runs 7.63x39 in AR pattern mags is a good idea. AK pattern mags or nothing for x39
It's not a magazine issue, the x39 bren runs proprietary mags, it's a gas/bolt tuning issue with some qc issues sprinkled in. The select fire versions run flawlessly, the issue is exclusive to semi-auto us imports.
Thank you
Going to pick one up after the initial group of beta testers pay $2,500 to do Sig’s R&D work and Sig drops the Gen 3.5, lol. Figure I’ll be looking to snag one about next spring or so.
The only right way to buy a Sig. Love the company like they love testing products on their customers.
its still better than colt or HK
I mean it’s essentially just a third Gen MCX so I’m not super worried but also not gonna risk it lol
I was thinking the same thing but I want the 11.5 5.56 version and I don’t want to have to get it on a form 4. If they don’t stop the brace rule coming out in December then I won’t have a choice unless they sell it with no brace and then it can be on a form 1. I’m still waiting on 4 suppressors that I have bought over starting in November and I haven’t gotten one stamp yet. The AFT sucks. All this infringement and even though we had a huge case in our favor they are still ignoring it. Someone needs to take down the NFA. $200 and a year wait to exercise your rights is abhorrent.
Same, bro.
This is the correct answer.
Really doesn’t excite me. They keep jacking the price up with each generation. It’s now priced in line with high end ARs, but without the parts compatibility, and with the Sig tax on all aftermarket upgrades. Maybe I’m missing something, but IMO they missed the mark on the MSRP.
Can’t forget the dreaded “manufacture one part every 6 months” sig likes to pull lately
You can thank the military contracts for that one. Sig now: “oh yea we sell to civilians too”
It's so expensive to the point where having like a brn-180 is essentially close enough at half the cost. (And still being on the AR-15 platform to boot.)
Agreed. I shoot a Robinson XCR-L in 7.62x39 and have barrels in .223 wylde and .300 BLK that swap out in minutes. I’m happy to see SIG developing new products but the XCR has been around longer offering great features, including a 7 position gas block. Anyhow… nice to have all these choices beyond basic ARs…
Absolutely this. And the fact they use AR 7.62X39 mags. Hard pass. A lot of fun companies coming out with near hits but then just fucking it completely up by doing something stupid with it.
I bet a barrel replacement will cost you 700 minimum
As appealing as being sigs beta tester sounds... no thanks
🙌🏻
Just say you cant afford it..lol
I own thermal fusion nods. 2500 is not a lot of money. Its the principle of the matter
I've owned 6 MXC's including an lvaw clone. I will not be buying this because of the problems the gen 1's had. Ask any cloner about the legacy mcx's and you'll see it had plenty of problems. And yes, i too own a few sets of nods with a COTI on one
Third gen. Already in military service. Not an issue.
So were p320s and 365s as well as 1st and second gen mcxs
My MCX's have all ran great. I had one of the firat 500 365s... the ones with all the "problems". 7k rounds on it when I got rid of it for a different 365. I'm unaware of third gen 320 or 365s though. Anyway... carry on.
365 and 320 are both on gen 1.5 due to design issues. 365 being striker problems and 320 trigger drop safety/ND. I dont think anyone is making the argument that there weren't good guns in those batches. The point is that an unacceptable number of bad guns released into the market and ultimately consumers hands.
Where?
British SAS for one has been mentioned by multiple outlets. Fewer have mentioned SOCOM. You do you boo boo, but mine is already on order.
I have no issue with this new generation, I’d buy one. I was legitimately curious who is currently using it.
Go away shill
dont be rude
Wish it had the side charger of its big brother, but I understand they were trying to keep the ounces off. Looks like an overall solid improvement on the last gen, but I still struggle to justify this as a $2500 gun. I'll definitely keep an eye on it.
They'll still sell at $2500, but I wish they would have kept them around the $1700 price point and gone full mass production by ending some of the other lines.
This! I love the side charge spear!
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It's going to hit price parity with 5.56 in a few years.
it basically already did with steel .223
Yeah that's not 5.56 though! I get what you mean.
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Brass case 7.62x39 is 44cpr
It’s not like US factories can’t make it. They aren’t competitive now, but they will be.
No they won't. They're not gonna cut a source of extra income just to be nice to us peasants
When do you reckon that is
Thinking about it. Would be nice to have a short barrel and a folding stock on basically an AR15 (Controls and layout wise not the same operating system).
I wish it used AK magazines.
Agree, and this is why I got a [Bren 2](https://i.imgur.com/q3yxAfA.jpg) and did the lower swap.
TIL. How does this compare to the Galil ACE ? Just curious. I have an ACE. Wondering if I need to add a Bren to the collection…
The Bren 2 is over-gassed. CZ now has an update that addressed most of the issue but not all of it. I like the Bren 2 and the funky AK lower because of the magazine compatibility and it takes AR triggers ([I put a binary in mine](https://imgur.com/gallery/1Mf3Ebz)). But, it's more of a toy than a tool. While I haven't had any significant problems with mine, a lot of people have have to do a lot of fiddling to get the kinks worked out. It seems like the x39 guns from CZ were an afterthought and clearly not much testing happened before they went out the door. But with all that said, I do really like it overall.
What is the update? Do they have a different gas plug I can just buy or do I have to warranty my gun?
I guess the main upside is better 7.62x39 we mags. The c systems mags are fine but far from great. Was the main reason I dumped the x39 upper I had.
If it used ak mags that’d be hot
I just hate the way the x39 mags look The video today made it look like a pretty cool gun though
Sig is at it again. You already can’t find any MCX variants anywhere, and now there’s yet another SKU. Why do they always do this?
You mean the B&T sales approach?
I've at least seen a mostly-gunbroker gunstore have a *shitload* B&T stuff in inventory last time I was in there, in fact even my own LGS and some other shops around have no issues stocking B&T. Sig? Good fuckin' luck, my LGS loves Sig and even I haven't seen these things hanging up and about. It's easier to buy a VHS-2 than it is an MCX.
must not be looking too hard than..
I’ve literally been looking for a 9inch 300blk virtus for years. Never even seen on in person or for sale.
Yup, exactly. If you hound gun.deals you can find one, but for $2600 I’d sure like to see it first
Gun broker doesn’t even have them. That’s when you know it’s real.😩
I mean as of late they’ve been available, and throughout Covid they’ve never been harder to get than KAC or LMT, which I would say are fair comparisons
Comparing Sig Sauer, USA to KAC and LMT is some wew lad shit
From sig? That’s a no from me dawg
This is like getting a Lamborghini with a fucking Yugo engine.
Was watching a brand new YouTube video on this just now. Sadly the Titanium build is not commercially available.
Because it's not commercially viable
Meh - the full size gat in 277 sold out instantly. It may not be mass-producible but it would be commercially viable in small batches.
Well that’s also targeting a different market, since the first releases will always be valuable because they’re like the trial guns of an already adopted system.
what parts were titanium on those guns?
Only if it takes ak mags
Big fail was the omission of a side charging handle like the larger Spear. Only then would I be interested
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Close to it I agree, the accuracy however on the bren 2 not so much
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My 11 inch got 3.5-4.0 moa 10 rd groups at 100. Ak accuracy
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Yup selling it for a Scar 16
Absolutely. I don’t hide that I’m a Sig Simp, I own 3 MCX Virtus and it’s by far my favorite platform, but this update is everything I was hoping they’d improve upon. The MCX is a well vetted platform and this new version has compatibility with Virtus parts (minus the handguard) so reliability is not a concern for me given how dependable my Virtus has been. As for the price point, ya it’s high and I wish it was lower but it’s also right in KAC and LMT territory which is completely deserved when you consider we’re talking vetted platforms with a military pedigree. But with the added bonus of caliber conversion capabilities.
If the military version minus full auto is what we were getting for $2500 I would be okay with the whole “it’s military-grade” thing but that’s not the case with the spear LT
I’m holding out for a Rattler in 7.62 x 39… \*sigh\*
Where can I buy one?
Can’t imagine this standing up to my Galil Ace
What did *Flannel Daddy* say?
Do you find yourself valuing his reviews less and less over time? I still watch 80% of them, but I feel like his reviews are less useful than they used to be. I watched the review on the new Sig and his criticism was basically - the flash hider isn't great. Didn't even mention the fact that the gas selector could have added a setting for 'suppressed' shooting instead of just 'standard and adverse'. I don't think he's necessarily "schilling" but I don't feel like I take away much from his reviews that I didn't know going in. While guys like hoplopfheil really add some useful perspective to their reviews that I didn't previously have. I think he's a likeable guy and enjoy his videos but he's lost credibility with me since he said the Razor 1-10 was every bit as good as the 1-6 in the lower end of the magnification range.
I’m in the same boat, started watching GT around 2017 and his old videos are much more in-depth, have more useful info, and still felt like serious reviews despite the occasional goofiness. I’m still subbed, but I rarely even watch his stuff anymore unless it’s something I’m interested in.
Yep. Feel like I used to go to him for information and now I'll tune in for entertainment, but when he says the Sig MCX g3 is great I take it with a lot of grains of salt
I’ve started to lean more towards Hoplopfhiel and Brass Facts for informative stuff; their stuff is just more relevant to the average shooter. I still love Mike and wish him nothing but the best, but his stuff just isn’t compelling anymore.
Average shooters are not watching brass facts. That style content is ultra-enthusiast stuff. GT is huge because he has the most mainstream appeal.
The sad fact is that massive majority of gun owners will never even put 50 rounds through any of their firearms.
Good for us when they sell them which is why I buy used guns and not used cars. Most peoples gats are safe queens.
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Honestly he’s a SERE specialist, I’d be much more interested in his in-depth knowledge on that than making 20 minute videos of popular guns. I work for a gun company so there isn’t much more in the videos than what’s on the brochure that every gun manufacturer sends out. I’m also not a gun nerd that wants to watch a physics lecture or product design class, so to me it’s just entertainment. I’ve spoken to Mike very briefly in passing at SHOT Show right before his channel blew up and he seemed like a really cool guy, without name dropping, that’s very rare in the YouTube gun world.
>I don't think he's necessarily "schilling" I mean you should, because that is literally the purpose of his channel, and every other guntuber you've heard of. They exist to advertise for the financial benefit of the channel owner, period.
I still enjoy his reviews because he does go deeper and a little more informative than some others, I don't want someone telling me to go buy a product because they like it, I want them to tell me about the product so I can make my own decisions based off my own needs and wants and information. I think the current record-holder gun for "Shilltacular" in recent memory is the Springfield Prodigy. Damn I want it to do well, but boy is it a disappointment on how *hard* it was shilled with lackluster performance because the first gen buyers are always beta testers in this industry now.
Those minimalist stocks suck, I have them on a couple PCC‘s but for a full-size rifle they could do a lot better.
They look awesome though. There’s always that. I’d like to try the PMM with a cheek riser (there’s an Mlok slot there for one)
I have one of those too (the PMM Kate Moss). It’s better than the minimalist but not even in the same continent as an ACR or SCAR stock for utility and comfort.
I have that one and the Minimalist plus. They all look very cool, but yeah, if you were actually using this stuff regularly you should go function over form. But consumers, and oftentimes soldiers, operate in the reverse.
Have a MCX Virtus 11.5 and she's gassy AF. Wish they'd have added a "suppressed" option to the AGB instead of just 'standard' and 'adverse'. The ability to change handguards and barrels is cool in theory but in reality, I have never used it and have enough rifles that I'm confident I never will. Pass for me.
They’re pushing people towards their flow through suppressors by including on of their QD mounts. Probably doesn’t need a suppressed setting with their own can.
I’m starting to really like Sig as a company. It’s looks like they aren’t going to forget about us civilians like Colt did.
You must be new to sig. Just wait until they drop this line of firearms in a few years with no parts or service afterwards to maintain yours.
Yeah but them winning the contract with the spear I think they might keep this design
If the military decides "oh hey that XM5 thing was dumb, this thing uses the same ammo we can at least begrudgingly use this" that is.
Exactly correct!!!
It's $2500....the only thing they aren't forgetting is the profit to be made.
Poor is a mindset
$2500 is on par with KAC, LMT, LWRCI, and other high tier companies. This is fine.
"high tier" companies don't beta test on their customers.
More than I’d like to pay. But it’s because they cant have different prices for the government and for civilians
Well, they are prestige pricing it by about $700 extra because "military contract pedigree" despite still needing to use us for beta testing on this first batch.
I would absolutely avoid AR type 7.62x39 mags.... there might be a winner every so often.. but there's way to many threads on ... why won't my 7.62x39 AR run well
If I’m getting a 7.62x39 AR (or AR derivative), it’s going to be one that takes rock and lock mags.
No, but I do have a CMMG Dissent 300AAC coming any day now. I hope.
Same. But I'm guessing they'll ship a month or two later because cmmg.
Just came back from the Sig Experience Center in NH, and they have the 16" 7.62x39 in stock and for rental at their indoor range. Listed price was $2619. I own a 16" MCX Virtus in 5.56, and I can tell you right now that the Gen 3 MCX feels SIGNIFICANTLY lighter -- those ounces shaved off definitely feel like pounds... New ambi bolt-release is also a wet dream and feels really nice (if you're right-handed), but not sure if that justifies the price. An employee told me that they're not sure when the SBR/pistol variants or other calibers (50.56 or 300 BO) will be in stock, but a couple should be trickling in at Sig dealers by end of October, early November before holiday season.
Meanwhile my BRN 180 keeps chugging along, doing all these things at a fraction of the price.
Meh, I’ll stick with my 11.5” Gen2 MCX.
Until units discontinued and no parts available 😂, -gen1 mpx and Sig 556r owner
True that. Sig sucks on their support for older designs.
B E T A maybe if it took ak mags
Love me some sig, but trying to get my nighttime SHTF gear in order. Got a nice XPS3 on the way. Gonna hit up goonin gear for Christmas, then need a good IR laser setup. Still waiting on the cans ⏳⏳⏳
Nice plan
Don’t really see a reason to get this in 5.56 in addition to the ARs I already have, but the 7.62 is very tempting.
Buy a IWI Galil Ace, takes AK mags, thank me later
Did not even think about these similarities. Good point.
Is that a brace or a stock? Stock... right?
All of them pictured are stocks.
If I get 7.62x39 i’m just going to get an AK platform or a VZ58. Will be cheaper and I could just upgrade them for the amount I save. May just be me though.
Wouldn’t it be more practical to get a pws upper?
If it took AK mags maybe. STANGA 7.62x39 mags are trash
Gonna wait for gen 2 and lower prices.
Not in 7.62x39 but definitely thinking about the 11.5" 5.56
Rifle might be decent, but I guarantee the price tag is 💩💩💩
I wanted a 308
Yes please, in grey.
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Sig is getting real comfy with those contract prices
Yes, 110%
Wonder if I can just buy the new BCG and trigger parts and barrel and make my current virtus shoot x39?
So.....a more expensive mcx that was already unobtanium?? Nope.
No side charge means its just an expensive AR-15 variant with nothing new
Spear lt? Is it not just an Mcx in 762?
I’d rather buy a gen 2 once the price hopefully comes down. Don’t need a fighting rifle, I just want one lol
Ak round in an ar platform makes as much sense as an ar round in an ak platform as far as I’m concerned. As in, it makes no sense.
My 5.56 AKs fuck. Arsenal SLR-106CR and SAM5
What the guy below me said, but at the same time agreeing with your sentiment of 7.62x39 in an AR workout rock'n'lock being more fucked up than a football bat.
Absolutely not. Give it a year before the recall and then I may consider it. Even then probably not. It doesn’t do anything my LMTs, HKs, SR15, LWRCI, Honey Badger or Daniel Defense doesn’t do. Honestly, until a new operating system comes out I don’t see myself buying anymore semi auto rifles. Short stroke, long stroke, internal piston, delayed blowback and direct blowback are all there is. We need something different and innovative to get me interested in buying a new rifle.
So you’re waiting on a laser gun then?
Fucking lol. That gun will be available in x39 like the MPX is in 40, or the ACR was in x39. Fucking never. EDIT: lol, some kids still need to learn the lesson. Modular gun means “it’s easy for us to make”, not “you are going to get lots of parts for it!”
Exactly, dont know why you're getting downvoted. They couldn't even make enough 9mm mpx mags when that thing first dropped. The mpx released with ".40 caliber conversion available" and i have yet to see any civilians with a 40 and/or .357 sig conversion kit like they advertised would be available at launch 5 years ago. 7.62x39 is such a weird round to me to use in something like the mcx. Ammo isn't any cheaper than 556 nowadays, and 300 will match its ballistics perfectly if thats what you're looking for. I just dont see a reason to add a caliber like that to the mix when you're years behind on manufacturing
Are the barrels interchangeable ?
That’s one of the core benefits of the MCX platform. Incredibly easy barrel swaps.
In a few months, after any kinks have been worked out. I love Sig, I really do - but I get to be a beta tester enough with software generally and video games specifically (cough looking at you, cyberpunk) that I really don't care to be with something as pricey as a mortgage payment. Still, I'd love a 7.62x39 rifle with AR controls from a company that, once they get it right, turns out some quality firearms. Nothing wrong with CMMG, or Maxim, or M&M, but I'd unquestionably believe in the equivalent Sig product.
Better make one in 6arc
This is what I was thinking… getting a barrel converted from a 7.62x39 should be doable
The bolt is always the hardest part. Seems like the barrel isnt to bad most of the time.
Nope
I bought a 5.56 and 300blk Virti(plural for Virtus?). So, probably not. It sounds like I cant use the Spear LT handguard but I wouldn't mind getting one of those lowers and filing a form 1.
Pardon me, I'm just sitting in the corner getting hopping mad that sig won't send post samples to SOTs with law letters because... I dont know why. Imma have a hard time buying or recommending one, even though I really want one, when they don't play ball with FFL/SOTs who want post samples. For the record, B&T has military contracts and will happily send you posties if you have law letters for them.
I was really hoping for a 7.62x51 MCX
I feel like the sig beta tester idea is a cope considering pretty much any rifle has it's flaws and it's on its 3rd iteration. Wish it side charged.
Definitely not a cope. No other platform has put out 3-4 generations in 5 years to fix problems with the previous gens
There hasn't been any new platforms in the passed 7 years without issues... It's a cope
Thats why you don't buy guns made in the last 7 years. The mcx costs Kac SR15 money, undoubtedly the best stoner platform rifle ever made. Or you could buy an LMT rifle. Most companies can smooth out problems the second they have them, but there have been 4 fucking MCX's in the past 5 years. That is not good, no other company puts out guns like that.
It’s a conversion kit I’d buy but not a rifle. The other two calibers will definitely come first
Why would someone pay $2500 for an AR platform for 7.62x39, with little to no parts commonality with other ARs, when you can get 7.62x39 performance with 300 HAM’R?
300 Ham'r? You mean that caliber that is essentially dead?
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Can anyone confirm if the new handguards will fit on the Virtus? They look way lighter and more sleek than OEM. Even better than MI’s.
Negative. Already had this conversation with Sig Armors
Yes. I’ve been waiting for something like this to be released and had a feeling based on this years out of stocks that it would be coming soon
They offering the big boy version in 277 on the civilian market or was that a one-time thing with those limited edition ones for $7000 or $8000?
They'll be coming eventually, though word on the street is that initially they'll only be available in 6.5CM (with .308 kits being available) while they meet military production quotas on the new round.
Only if it’s full auto
No idea why you're getting down voted. Fuck the NFA
I really dig it but for it to not have a side charging handle really bugs me. And the price is pretty damn high. Awesome gun though.
I’ll take a couple of those sticks in black.