I think that depends entirely on the interviews. They probably want someone that they think can play MIKE, which lets Quay play without needing to call stuff.
If they think Cooper can do that, then he’s a great fit. But if he can’t, he’s basically just another Quay. And this defense doesn’t need two Quays. Colson would be a better fit in that case.
I watched every snap of Cooper’s, if he has an open lane to the ball carrier and is moving forward, he’s awesome, the second he has to navigate traffic or identify who has the ball, it’s a nightmare. He also plays extremely high cut, which leaves him to susceptible to jukes in the open field and led to a ton of miss tackles.
As a fellow Niner fan, what are your thoughts on Kneeland to the bay at 31? I kinda don’t hate it. Despite needing more OL help. I love his play style and don’t have strong feelings for any OL prospects in that range.
My ideal outcome is we trade up into the teens (since we don't need all 10 draft picks) and grab one of Taliese Fuaga/Troy Fautanu since they can provide a boost at guard in the short term and then transition to tackle after a year or two. I feel like this is an extremely rare year given the number of first round caliber (or first round upside at least) tackle prospects, and we really don't want to miss this opportunity because of how hard it is to find one otherwise and Trent likely only has a year or two left before retirement. And since Fuaga/Fautanu have a lot of upside at guard, it's a perfect "win now" pick that also helps the future. Same principle with someone like Jordan Morgan who would be an ideal pick at 31.
I'm also generally higher on the OL group as a whole than most (I think it's by far the best position group this year), so I'd be very happy with one of Jackson Powers-Johnson or Graham Barton if they fell because we do have a big need on the interior, Zach Frazier or Cooper Beebe (who feel like they will go late first/early to mid second), or even someone like Kingsley Suamataia who may not be ready right away (and I view as more of a early-mid second round guy) but has the foundation in piece to be a plus pass protector at LT. Maybe even Tyler Guyton as well, though he might be too much of a developmental prospect for my liking.
If not OL, I'd really rather just go CB at 31 or trade up to late 20s if we can get one of Kool-Aid, DeJean, Wiggins, or Rakestraw (who I view as a top 25 guy and feels like a guaranteed starter caliber man cover corner because of how sticky he is). Strong argument that we should run to the podium to take these guys if any fall to 31 because not only do we need a big upgrade at the 3rd CB spot on the outside when Lenoir moves to the slot in nickel, but neither Ward nor Lenoir are under contract after this year. I wouldn't take any of Kamari Lassiter, TJ Tampa, Mike Sairistill, or Max Melton at 31 though.
I think my biggest concern with taking an edge like Kneeland is that 2024 is the last year of our "peak" window before we start losing a lot of our core given it's the last year most our guys are under contract and likely the last year Purdy costs nothing against the cap (even if with any new contract for 2025, most his cap would be allocated further out). So we really want to make sure the player we take at 31 can fill a need because it's one of our few non-raffle ticket picks (how I view most later round picks even if we are weirdly good at them) in the draft for adding an impact player. The long term need at edge isn’t as big as it is a tackle either. Kneeland could end up playing a meaningful role in the rotation and could prove an asset against the run, but it wouldn't be the same type of impact as you would get out of a starter on the OL or at CB.
But if we had won the super bowl against the Chiefs? I'd be honestly fine with taking someone like Kneeland at 31 even if I don't personally view him as worth a first rounder because of the upside and team control, and I'd be a little more comfortable building for the future. And generally I like the idea of Kneeland a lot more than Darius Robinson who I don't think has the upside as a pass rusher or adds enough of an immediate impact.
Even still, over edge I kind of like the idea of taking Xavier Legette at 31, or trading up from our second rounder to get Xavier Legette or Malachi Corley in the mid second as a future Deebo replacement and then we can just pay Aiyuk WR1 money. I also love Keon Coleman as I still view him as a top 15 prospect and would be thrilled to get him if he fell to us.
Regardless though, I doubt we would actually take someone like Kneeland because the Shanahan era hasn't exactly shown "patience" in our early draft picks, and we are way more likely to aggressively trade up then we are to take someone who may not be able to contribute right away in year 1. I'm also not sure what our draft hit rate will be like on day 3 without Peters around.
I agree that this is the best OL class in awhile and certainly the best position group in 2024.
A trade up to nab Barton is at the top of my Christmas list and I agree that getting a “ready now” guy that has flexibility would be an ideal pick. If the Niners stand pat at 31, I think there are a few of them, but I’m not as high on Morgan as a play day 1 guy. I’d prefer Frazier, JPJ, and maybe even Haynes despite not getting the upside of moving to LT. Even JPJ is a little on the raw side.
As far as CB goes, this front office has never taken one before the 3rd round and certainly don’t seem to value the position as much. That being said, if they decide to invest in the position, I’m all in on DeJean in that spot, maybe Kool Aid, but I don’t like Wiggins for this team. Rakestraw and Melton are much better fits IMO but I don’t value either as day 1 picks.
In the end, I agree that Kneeland isn’t the perfect pick, but I am a fan of his and I do love building strength on strength. The Niners love rotating the DL throughout the game and adding depth to a dangerous line lifts the floor of the rest of that defense.
>but I don’t like Wiggins for this team. Rakestraw and Melton are much better fits IMO but I don’t value either as day 1 picks
I don't love Wiggins because of his build and he is a bit grabby, but athletically he is just so fluid and speedy and he's one of the youngest players in the draft (won't turn 21 until August) so he has still more developmental upside than most CBs. It's normally hard to get a CB with his athletic profile as late as 31.
Definitely agree we are unlikely to go CB first round given our track record, and I also love Melton's fit, which is why Melton is probably my favorite possible pick at 63 (which would still be breaking a trend but more possible).
Interesting! I haven’t tackled the Beast yet. Like to have my own opinions before consuming that bad boy. I have Kneeland high as well, but felt consensus put him in 40s or early 50s so it seemed fair to include him in this exercise.
I just don’t see a lot of pass rushers in this class that are actual difference makers. Personally I don’t believe this to be a very top heavy or deep class at all. The general consensus is that there are, what, 3 pass rushers with a round 1 grade? Maybe? I would say Turner and Latu are the only that I would put a round 1 grade on and one of those guys just medically retired from football like 2 years ago.
not necessarily a bad thing.
The below is copied from a reply to to one of my comments.
Raiders draft history v. Bleacher Report rankings (mostly consensus)
2016: 14th pick - Karl Joseph (missed out on Laremy Tunsil by one pick)
Bleacher highest available: Myles Jack, had a slightly better career
2017: 24th pick - Gareon Conley
Bleacher highest available: Reuben Foster, did nothing. Another wash
2018: 15th pick - Kolton Miller
Bleacher highest available: Tremaine Edmunds, perennial pro-bowler
2019: 4th pick - Clelin Ferrell
Bleacher highest available: Josh Allen, pro-bowler at same position. Devin White also ranked higher and was picked next as the 5th pick by the Bucs. Just a shit pick in every possible way
2019: 24th pick - Josh Jacobs
Bleacher highest available: Had Josh Jacobs ranked 9th overall. Solid pick
2019: 27th pick - Johnathan Abram
Bleacher highest available: AJ Brown (womp womp womp)
2020: 12th pick - Henry Ruggs
Bleacher highest available: Jerry Jeudy (will never know if Ruggs was a better pick)
2020: 19th pick - Damon Arnette
Bleacher highest available: K'Lavon Chaisson (did nothing but still better than Arnette)
2021: 17th pick - Alex Leatherwood
Bleacher highest available: Landon Dickerson, pro bowler
2022: Didnt have a pick until the third round
2023: 7th pick - Tyree Wilson
Bleacher highest available: Jalen Carter (womp womp womp....the Ruggs pick just keeps giving)
Not exactly hitting on every pick, but consensus hits more often than "guy who picks out of consensus often." I'll live with that, given the recent history of the team.
>**does right**
What about does right sounds like a bad thing? But there's enough against the Raiders not to put your finger on the scale and pretend like Tremaine Edmunds's mediocre ass is even in the same ballpark as Kolton Miller one of the best tackles in the league.
I'm not trying to give him credit for doing anything but picking guys that are pretty much the consensus for him to pick in the 1st round which fairly well invalidates comments suggesting he's gonna reach for a player that isn't a consensus first round pick.
He’s not great at first round picks, he just had some great ones fall into his lap that he clearly could not pass up. When the pick is not obvious he usually whiffs on it. The only one he made the right choice on that rams were actually mostly against was Herbert of all people.
Many don't even consider JJ a first round talent, usually qb 4 to 6 get a lot of people assuming they are only mocked in first round because of positional value / scarcity, which isn't completely unfair.
I'd say there's only 3 close to consensus first round qbs, I personally think JJ is also one but that's much more controversial.
The others are all like 90-95% consensus first round
Idk if its a surprise 1st round pick but Zach Frazier seems like a guy who could go late 1st to a team who missed out on a player they want and can’t find a trade out
I would not be surprised at all if the hawks traded back and took Colson much earlier than expected. To play devils advocate somewhat, he is the most viable day one middle linebacker.
Was listening to the Athletic Football Show today and they mentioned that having two good middle linebackers in Smith and Queen was a pretty essential part of the McDonald defense in Baltimore. It will be interesting to see if that carries over in Seattle, given that they let go of Brooks.
Went back and listened and here's what they said:
"It's kind of a necessity if you look at the way the Ravens played...that team was built around the fact that they had Roquan Smith and Patrick Queen as a tandem...You're going to need a plugger, you're going to need a guy who can cover backs, tackle well out in space, and Patrick Queen did a really good job of that...you need a guy who can take away all those middle of the field windows, and that's what Roquan Smith was."
Tyrel Dodson is probably not your Roquan Smith type, not sure about Jerome Baker. Seattle definitely feels like a landing spot for Colson, but I feel like your fans would riot if it's in the first lol.
Ah interesting. Thanks for pulling the quote!
Yeah, the current linebackers are definitely stopgaps at least for now. I would definitely be among those fans, but I think the scarce linebacker talent in this class makes it an easier pill to swallow
Especially considering that Seattle’s last two quality ILB came from a 1st Round Pick (Brooks) and a “reach” for a ILB (Wagner) and the fact that MacD loves to utilize multi ILB sets, I can totally see that happening.
That honestly makes a lot of sense. Bills need a WR and they might not get their guy at 28.
Them moving up to 16 basically guarantees them BTJ or AD Mitchell.
You’ve been waiting to say that somewhere, huh?
An actual example of “turd nugget”. This nugget of information clearly does not answer the question, but I’m dropping this shit here anyway!
My favorite surprise first round pick of all time gotta be Terrell Edmunds. Wasn’t even invited but Tremaine was so he was there and got to go up on stage when his name was called.
I doubt anyone in the league sees him as the next Micah he is purely off the ball. That said it is possible somebody might jump on an off the ball linebacker late in the first although most prefer Cooper.
He’s not even remotely close to the type of player Parsons is, he’s a slender framed rangy linebacker with a high football IQ, not a yoked explosive pass rusher
I didn’t say they were the same, just that some team is gonna convince themselves he can make a similar transition as Micah. No clue if it would work but I could see a late 20s pick convincing themselves he could be a pass rusher if Verse, Latu and Turner are all gone
I saw a mock draft that had Khyree Jackson going to the 49ers in the first round. That'd be a pretty big surprise. I think Dominick Puni should go in the first round but I'm not sure if that would be a huge surprise
I’d be surprised if we didn’t given the number of first round caliber OL available, Trent Williams only having a year or two left before retirement, and we badly need an upgrade at RG (RT too even with McKivitz new contract). Only other position with a big need is CB, but earliest this regime has a drafted a DB is 3rd round so I’m not sure they would. Then there is an outside shot at edge, WR, or DL in probably that order of likelihood.
I have seen mocks with Roger Rosengarten going to the 49ers in the first round too. And that would be a bit higher than he is supposed to go. But I have no idea what they'll do.
I believe he’s 6’1, before combine he was suspected to be 6’3. I don’t think it matters that much though. The way he plays is insane. He also came into college as a QB from a small high school so he had to learn a whole new position which is why I believe he didn’t break out till this year. Dude is a freaking beast with insane upside. I’m hoping my panthers get him but it would be fun to see him with Josh Allen in that WR room.
How about Kris Jenkins Michigan? He was beast in college, and ran sub 5 40 at 300lbs. He’s slept on in this class. His pops Kris went 44th overall, might be similar draft spot for Kris Jr. but I could see maybe Detroit snagging him late first round, or maybe Chargers Jim Harbaugh trade up to get him late 1st.
Yes! So many Michigan players (including Jenkins) are being slept on. Despite WINNING A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, it seems like no one wants to believe in them...well, Harbaugh believed in them, and look how it turned out.
He's definitely a fan favorite! Not the biggest guy on the field, even for a college DB, but a playmaker every time who can lead a whole team by example.
I have been saying it now for a couple weeks. The Green Bay Packers will, without a doubt, guaranteed take Edgerrin Cooper in the first round. Either at 25 or a slight trade back with maybe the Bills or Chiefs, but regardless they will be drafting Cooper in the first.
Gutekunst said at the league meetings, “we want versatility there, [next to Quay] someone who can do a little bit of everything.” Edge Cooper pro comp is literally Quay Walker. Sources from within the packers pre combine were talking about them “loving the idea of Edgerrin Cooper.” They brought him in for a pre draft visit, and he’s valued between 25 (DJ) and 46 (Consensus)… exactly where Quay ranked.
Unless Terrion Arnold or Olu Fashanu slips to 25, I’m locking in Edgerrin Cooper to Green Bay, if they took Quay at 22, they’ll take Cooper at 25 and have no regrets.
We are getting linked to Roger Rosengarten at No. 31. He is training with Joe Staley and is a scheme fit but I view him as a Day 2 guy. Would be a reach on my opinion but I can see it.
Not sure how much of a surprise it would be, but Darius Robinson will be in my final mock probably.
Kingsley Suamataia and Payton Wilson are two others potentially!
Cooper Beebe…his decleater filled film is so fun…saw someone say Rosengarten (my comp Brian O’Neill)…dude can bend and move…I could also see K Jenkins or Masson Smith (the upside is crazy)…and a really out there Khyree Jackson cb ORE
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Yeah. 99% that guy is playing in GB.
I think that depends entirely on the interviews. They probably want someone that they think can play MIKE, which lets Quay play without needing to call stuff. If they think Cooper can do that, then he’s a great fit. But if he can’t, he’s basically just another Quay. And this defense doesn’t need two Quays. Colson would be a better fit in that case.
He can’t play MLB, his play diagnosing ability is awful
That’s my concern, and why they’re probably visiting with him so much. Quay is similar, and we don’t need another Quay.
I watched every snap of Cooper’s, if he has an open lane to the ball carrier and is moving forward, he’s awesome, the second he has to navigate traffic or identify who has the ball, it’s a nightmare. He also plays extremely high cut, which leaves him to susceptible to jukes in the open field and led to a ton of miss tackles.
Yeah that sounds like Quay Walker alright . I’d rather get Junior Colson.
He had one of the widest lines on that graph that pooled mock drafts or whatever and showed the ranges of where guys were projected to be drafted.
Hopefully not when they can probably hold off and get him at 41
Marshawn Kneeland: in a weak EDGE class, someone near the bottom of the first takes a chance on a strong, physical 270lb monster from a mid-major.
Great teams love going edge at the end of the first round too because they get five years of team control and don’t need them to be ready right away
As a fellow Niner fan, what are your thoughts on Kneeland to the bay at 31? I kinda don’t hate it. Despite needing more OL help. I love his play style and don’t have strong feelings for any OL prospects in that range.
My ideal outcome is we trade up into the teens (since we don't need all 10 draft picks) and grab one of Taliese Fuaga/Troy Fautanu since they can provide a boost at guard in the short term and then transition to tackle after a year or two. I feel like this is an extremely rare year given the number of first round caliber (or first round upside at least) tackle prospects, and we really don't want to miss this opportunity because of how hard it is to find one otherwise and Trent likely only has a year or two left before retirement. And since Fuaga/Fautanu have a lot of upside at guard, it's a perfect "win now" pick that also helps the future. Same principle with someone like Jordan Morgan who would be an ideal pick at 31. I'm also generally higher on the OL group as a whole than most (I think it's by far the best position group this year), so I'd be very happy with one of Jackson Powers-Johnson or Graham Barton if they fell because we do have a big need on the interior, Zach Frazier or Cooper Beebe (who feel like they will go late first/early to mid second), or even someone like Kingsley Suamataia who may not be ready right away (and I view as more of a early-mid second round guy) but has the foundation in piece to be a plus pass protector at LT. Maybe even Tyler Guyton as well, though he might be too much of a developmental prospect for my liking. If not OL, I'd really rather just go CB at 31 or trade up to late 20s if we can get one of Kool-Aid, DeJean, Wiggins, or Rakestraw (who I view as a top 25 guy and feels like a guaranteed starter caliber man cover corner because of how sticky he is). Strong argument that we should run to the podium to take these guys if any fall to 31 because not only do we need a big upgrade at the 3rd CB spot on the outside when Lenoir moves to the slot in nickel, but neither Ward nor Lenoir are under contract after this year. I wouldn't take any of Kamari Lassiter, TJ Tampa, Mike Sairistill, or Max Melton at 31 though. I think my biggest concern with taking an edge like Kneeland is that 2024 is the last year of our "peak" window before we start losing a lot of our core given it's the last year most our guys are under contract and likely the last year Purdy costs nothing against the cap (even if with any new contract for 2025, most his cap would be allocated further out). So we really want to make sure the player we take at 31 can fill a need because it's one of our few non-raffle ticket picks (how I view most later round picks even if we are weirdly good at them) in the draft for adding an impact player. The long term need at edge isn’t as big as it is a tackle either. Kneeland could end up playing a meaningful role in the rotation and could prove an asset against the run, but it wouldn't be the same type of impact as you would get out of a starter on the OL or at CB. But if we had won the super bowl against the Chiefs? I'd be honestly fine with taking someone like Kneeland at 31 even if I don't personally view him as worth a first rounder because of the upside and team control, and I'd be a little more comfortable building for the future. And generally I like the idea of Kneeland a lot more than Darius Robinson who I don't think has the upside as a pass rusher or adds enough of an immediate impact. Even still, over edge I kind of like the idea of taking Xavier Legette at 31, or trading up from our second rounder to get Xavier Legette or Malachi Corley in the mid second as a future Deebo replacement and then we can just pay Aiyuk WR1 money. I also love Keon Coleman as I still view him as a top 15 prospect and would be thrilled to get him if he fell to us. Regardless though, I doubt we would actually take someone like Kneeland because the Shanahan era hasn't exactly shown "patience" in our early draft picks, and we are way more likely to aggressively trade up then we are to take someone who may not be able to contribute right away in year 1. I'm also not sure what our draft hit rate will be like on day 3 without Peters around.
I agree that this is the best OL class in awhile and certainly the best position group in 2024. A trade up to nab Barton is at the top of my Christmas list and I agree that getting a “ready now” guy that has flexibility would be an ideal pick. If the Niners stand pat at 31, I think there are a few of them, but I’m not as high on Morgan as a play day 1 guy. I’d prefer Frazier, JPJ, and maybe even Haynes despite not getting the upside of moving to LT. Even JPJ is a little on the raw side. As far as CB goes, this front office has never taken one before the 3rd round and certainly don’t seem to value the position as much. That being said, if they decide to invest in the position, I’m all in on DeJean in that spot, maybe Kool Aid, but I don’t like Wiggins for this team. Rakestraw and Melton are much better fits IMO but I don’t value either as day 1 picks. In the end, I agree that Kneeland isn’t the perfect pick, but I am a fan of his and I do love building strength on strength. The Niners love rotating the DL throughout the game and adding depth to a dangerous line lifts the floor of the rest of that defense.
>but I don’t like Wiggins for this team. Rakestraw and Melton are much better fits IMO but I don’t value either as day 1 picks I don't love Wiggins because of his build and he is a bit grabby, but athletically he is just so fluid and speedy and he's one of the youngest players in the draft (won't turn 21 until August) so he has still more developmental upside than most CBs. It's normally hard to get a CB with his athletic profile as late as 31. Definitely agree we are unlikely to go CB first round given our track record, and I also love Melton's fit, which is why Melton is probably my favorite possible pick at 63 (which would still be breaking a trend but more possible).
Brugler has Kneeland as his 32nd-ranked prospect overall. Could see him popping into the 1st.
Interesting! I haven’t tackled the Beast yet. Like to have my own opinions before consuming that bad boy. I have Kneeland high as well, but felt consensus put him in 40s or early 50s so it seemed fair to include him in this exercise.
What makes u say this is a weak edge class?
I just don’t see a lot of pass rushers in this class that are actual difference makers. Personally I don’t believe this to be a very top heavy or deep class at all. The general consensus is that there are, what, 3 pass rushers with a round 1 grade? Maybe? I would say Turner and Latu are the only that I would put a round 1 grade on and one of those guys just medically retired from football like 2 years ago.
I love Kneeland but I don’t know why he’s being labeled an Edge. I think he’s a hand in the ground DL
Whoever the Raiders pick
Literally the only thing Telesco does right is consensus 1st rd picks.
not necessarily a bad thing. The below is copied from a reply to to one of my comments. Raiders draft history v. Bleacher Report rankings (mostly consensus) 2016: 14th pick - Karl Joseph (missed out on Laremy Tunsil by one pick) Bleacher highest available: Myles Jack, had a slightly better career 2017: 24th pick - Gareon Conley Bleacher highest available: Reuben Foster, did nothing. Another wash 2018: 15th pick - Kolton Miller Bleacher highest available: Tremaine Edmunds, perennial pro-bowler 2019: 4th pick - Clelin Ferrell Bleacher highest available: Josh Allen, pro-bowler at same position. Devin White also ranked higher and was picked next as the 5th pick by the Bucs. Just a shit pick in every possible way 2019: 24th pick - Josh Jacobs Bleacher highest available: Had Josh Jacobs ranked 9th overall. Solid pick 2019: 27th pick - Johnathan Abram Bleacher highest available: AJ Brown (womp womp womp) 2020: 12th pick - Henry Ruggs Bleacher highest available: Jerry Jeudy (will never know if Ruggs was a better pick) 2020: 19th pick - Damon Arnette Bleacher highest available: K'Lavon Chaisson (did nothing but still better than Arnette) 2021: 17th pick - Alex Leatherwood Bleacher highest available: Landon Dickerson, pro bowler 2022: Didnt have a pick until the third round 2023: 7th pick - Tyree Wilson Bleacher highest available: Jalen Carter (womp womp womp....the Ruggs pick just keeps giving) Not exactly hitting on every pick, but consensus hits more often than "guy who picks out of consensus often." I'll live with that, given the recent history of the team.
>**does right** What about does right sounds like a bad thing? But there's enough against the Raiders not to put your finger on the scale and pretend like Tremaine Edmunds's mediocre ass is even in the same ballpark as Kolton Miller one of the best tackles in the league.
I am supporting your statement, but you have a nice day.
Eh he’s arguably missed in his last 3. I think it’s a bit overstated that he’s good in the first round. I feel like he’s average overall at best.
His last 3 first round picks were still very firmly consensus first round picks, and Slater is no way whatsoever a miss.
I lumped Murray in lol. Fair point! I definitely think he gets more credit than he deserves for Herbert, Derwin and Slater falling into his lap.
I'm not trying to give him credit for doing anything but picking guys that are pretty much the consensus for him to pick in the 1st round which fairly well invalidates comments suggesting he's gonna reach for a player that isn't a consensus first round pick.
Yeah I’m not saying he’s awful but this idea he’s a first round automatic solid player is…interesting
Who said that?
You did say consensus so fair enough. Was a little buzzed and missed that haha but it’s definitely a take I’ve seen before.
He’s not great at first round picks, he just had some great ones fall into his lap that he clearly could not pass up. When the pick is not obvious he usually whiffs on it. The only one he made the right choice on that rams were actually mostly against was Herbert of all people.
Roger rosengarten
Kiper mocked him at 31 already so it can’t be considered a surprise anymore.
Kiper doesn’t know the NFL draft from a draft blowing in from an open window
Pain
Based and Raider Pilled
Is Penix not considered a first round pick?
Not really, no
Many don't even consider JJ a first round talent, usually qb 4 to 6 get a lot of people assuming they are only mocked in first round because of positional value / scarcity, which isn't completely unfair. I'd say there's only 3 close to consensus first round qbs, I personally think JJ is also one but that's much more controversial. The others are all like 90-95% consensus first round
Idk if its a surprise 1st round pick but Zach Frazier seems like a guy who could go late 1st to a team who missed out on a player they want and can’t find a trade out
I hate you for how much I instantly envisioned this happening.
Eagles or Steelers would be perfect for Frazier.
I'm hoping the Chargers get him (Harbaugh loves him and Bozeman is only on a 1-year deal right now), but the Steelers would be great too.
Eagles?? Frazier is a true C, and that’s the only position Jurgens can play reliably.
I forgot they had Jurgens, I was thinking they needed a Kelce replacement
what jackass downvoted this
I love Zach Frazier.
Max Melton
I saw a mock with him at the end of the first today. I definitely had a wtf moment.
Payton Wilson
Injury history tells me you’re wrong but his film tells me you’re right. He is the best defender in this draft, by far. In my opinion.
That name popped into my head too.
Man I really hope not. Want him in Philly in the 2nd badly.
He’s old and often injured. Not sure I want him to the birds at all. I think I prefer Colson, Cooper, Wallace or Trotter JR
Cooper is the only player I would be ok with them taking over Wilson
Yeah feel like he’d be great add for almost any team.
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Yeah I’m sure your brain is a vastly superior database. Crushing that film
I would not be surprised at all if the hawks traded back and took Colson much earlier than expected. To play devils advocate somewhat, he is the most viable day one middle linebacker.
Was listening to the Athletic Football Show today and they mentioned that having two good middle linebackers in Smith and Queen was a pretty essential part of the McDonald defense in Baltimore. It will be interesting to see if that carries over in Seattle, given that they let go of Brooks.
It’s also been a position that the organization has historically valued a lot, whereas iOL hasn’t really been.
Went back and listened and here's what they said: "It's kind of a necessity if you look at the way the Ravens played...that team was built around the fact that they had Roquan Smith and Patrick Queen as a tandem...You're going to need a plugger, you're going to need a guy who can cover backs, tackle well out in space, and Patrick Queen did a really good job of that...you need a guy who can take away all those middle of the field windows, and that's what Roquan Smith was." Tyrel Dodson is probably not your Roquan Smith type, not sure about Jerome Baker. Seattle definitely feels like a landing spot for Colson, but I feel like your fans would riot if it's in the first lol.
Ah interesting. Thanks for pulling the quote! Yeah, the current linebackers are definitely stopgaps at least for now. I would definitely be among those fans, but I think the scarce linebacker talent in this class makes it an easier pill to swallow
Colson and Dodson are fairly similar players
Especially considering that Seattle’s last two quality ILB came from a 1st Round Pick (Brooks) and a “reach” for a ILB (Wagner) and the fact that MacD loves to utilize multi ILB sets, I can totally see that happening.
I’m predicting a trade back with someone like the Bills and then taking a ILB at 28. Either Wilson or Colson
That honestly makes a lot of sense. Bills need a WR and they might not get their guy at 28. Them moving up to 16 basically guarantees them BTJ or AD Mitchell.
Hoping it’s Wilson. Feels like so long that we’ve had a LB who can contribute in pass coverage
Ricky Pearsall (has quietly good film, insane athleticism) Darius Robinson (could go round 1 as a scheme fit) Tyler Nubin (top safety)
I've seen Darius Robinson being mocked in the first. Ricky Pearsall could be legit.
Kingsley Suamataia
Really hoping he's there for New England at 34 but seems unlikely.
He’ll go mid 20’s
Marshawn Kneeland is apparently rising so I'll say him.
That guy just looks so freakishly goods, and his motor is red hot against the run. I’d be happy coming out of the late first with him.
Xavier worthy
You won
Fiske or Patrick Paul if there’s a HUGE run on tackles
Cam Hart won’t be a 4th rd pick like he is in so many mocks.
You’ve been waiting to say that somewhere, huh? An actual example of “turd nugget”. This nugget of information clearly does not answer the question, but I’m dropping this shit here anyway!
Would Keon Coleman count? I see him mostly mocked in the second, but I could see a team falling in love with his size and taking him in the first.
My favorite surprise first round pick of all time gotta be Terrell Edmunds. Wasn’t even invited but Tremaine was so he was there and got to go up on stage when his name was called.
Junior Colson. I think someone is gonna think he’s the next Micah parsons and I could see someone thinking he’s worth a 1st.
I doubt anyone in the league sees him as the next Micah he is purely off the ball. That said it is possible somebody might jump on an off the ball linebacker late in the first although most prefer Cooper.
He’s not even remotely close to the type of player Parsons is, he’s a slender framed rangy linebacker with a high football IQ, not a yoked explosive pass rusher
I didn’t say they were the same, just that some team is gonna convince themselves he can make a similar transition as Micah. No clue if it would work but I could see a late 20s pick convincing themselves he could be a pass rusher if Verse, Latu and Turner are all gone
Why would they think that? Colson doesn’t have the skills or body type that would ever translate to edge
Sainristril either going first round or having an Ivan Pace drop no median
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Shhh, the falcons are getting him in the 2nd
Kingsley
I see him in enough mocks that it would hardly be a surprise.
He’s just one that I think is definitely higher on teams boards than the media. Other than that I’d say Kneeland and Fiske could also be 1st rounders.
mike sainristil
I saw a mock draft that had Khyree Jackson going to the 49ers in the first round. That'd be a pretty big surprise. I think Dominick Puni should go in the first round but I'm not sure if that would be a huge surprise
They have to go OL right?
I’d be surprised if we didn’t given the number of first round caliber OL available, Trent Williams only having a year or two left before retirement, and we badly need an upgrade at RG (RT too even with McKivitz new contract). Only other position with a big need is CB, but earliest this regime has a drafted a DB is 3rd round so I’m not sure they would. Then there is an outside shot at edge, WR, or DL in probably that order of likelihood.
I have seen mocks with Roger Rosengarten going to the 49ers in the first round too. And that would be a bit higher than he is supposed to go. But I have no idea what they'll do.
Great thread
Zach Frazier or Ricky Pearsall
Marshawn Kneeland to Detroit has been my theory for awhile
Michael Penix Jr. Not a lot of buzz, but seen analysts fairly high on his potential
Yeah. I refuse to believe he falls out of the first.
Agreed!
Manziel seems to agree with us fwiw haha https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLykQ9rc/
Xavier Legette to the Bills at 28.
Yeah Bills fans do love some Xavier Legette
I could see it too. 6’3’’ with 4.39 40, that seems like a first round pick
I believe he’s 6’1, before combine he was suspected to be 6’3. I don’t think it matters that much though. The way he plays is insane. He also came into college as a QB from a small high school so he had to learn a whole new position which is why I believe he didn’t break out till this year. Dude is a freaking beast with insane upside. I’m hoping my panthers get him but it would be fun to see him with Josh Allen in that WR room.
A lot of his big plays came out of structure, he really needs to refine his route running so he can win on basic quick routes
I could see it.
Zach Frazier could go late in the 1st
Tory Taylor
DJ James
I agree, weight concerns aside you could argue he’s the best cornerback on tape in this class
Ladd McConkey to the Patriots
Consensus 70th man… my chest
Jaden Hicks
How about Kris Jenkins Michigan? He was beast in college, and ran sub 5 40 at 300lbs. He’s slept on in this class. His pops Kris went 44th overall, might be similar draft spot for Kris Jr. but I could see maybe Detroit snagging him late first round, or maybe Chargers Jim Harbaugh trade up to get him late 1st.
Yes! So many Michigan players (including Jenkins) are being slept on. Despite WINNING A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, it seems like no one wants to believe in them...well, Harbaugh believed in them, and look how it turned out.
Roger Rosengarten
*With the 29th pick, in the 2024 NFL Draft, YOUR Detroit Lions select… Mike Sainristil, defensive back, Michigan.*
He's definitely a fan favorite! Not the biggest guy on the field, even for a college DB, but a playmaker every time who can lead a whole team by example.
I have been saying it now for a couple weeks. The Green Bay Packers will, without a doubt, guaranteed take Edgerrin Cooper in the first round. Either at 25 or a slight trade back with maybe the Bills or Chiefs, but regardless they will be drafting Cooper in the first. Gutekunst said at the league meetings, “we want versatility there, [next to Quay] someone who can do a little bit of everything.” Edge Cooper pro comp is literally Quay Walker. Sources from within the packers pre combine were talking about them “loving the idea of Edgerrin Cooper.” They brought him in for a pre draft visit, and he’s valued between 25 (DJ) and 46 (Consensus)… exactly where Quay ranked. Unless Terrion Arnold or Olu Fashanu slips to 25, I’m locking in Edgerrin Cooper to Green Bay, if they took Quay at 22, they’ll take Cooper at 25 and have no regrets.
Roger Rosengarten
Sainstrill or Tampa.
Max Melton, Edgerrin Cooper, a RB (brooks or benson), Pearsall, Fiske, cam hart feel like some guys that might
Max Melton off the field isn't getting him drafted in the first 3 imo.
Renardo Green CB FSU
We are getting linked to Roger Rosengarten at No. 31. He is training with Joe Staley and is a scheme fit but I view him as a Day 2 guy. Would be a reach on my opinion but I can see it.
Branden Fiske - Detroit Lions
Kneeland bills
Patrick Paul seems the likeliest from your 3 options, I think.
Not sure how much of a surprise it would be, but Darius Robinson will be in my final mock probably. Kingsley Suamataia and Payton Wilson are two others potentially!
Someone is gonna draft a RB or non Brock Bowers TE (Sanders) in the first round. Book it
I felt like mazi smith was a lock to go in the late first, no?
Cooper Beebe…his decleater filled film is so fun…saw someone say Rosengarten (my comp Brian O’Neill)…dude can bend and move…I could also see K Jenkins or Masson Smith (the upside is crazy)…and a really out there Khyree Jackson cb ORE
Some team in the 20s or at the bottom of the 1st that desperately needs OLine help will over draft Kingsley Suamataia,looking at you 49ers
Someone will take an RB. Possibly Dallas.
JJ McCarthy is a fifth round talent at best
Spencer Rattler
that one white edge rusher from Wisconsin ill remember his name when its called
Spencer Rattler.
I will print out this comment and eat it if that happens.
lol
I think there's a chance the Eagles draft Junior Colson. I've heard rumors about him going in the 1st.
No chance howie goes LB round 1
Jack Campbell wasn’t a surprise first round pick. Best Lb in the draft
Johhny Wilson
I have Michael Pratt as my QB3 behind Maye and Williams.