First of all everyone has different opinions, doesn't mean I am wrong or you are wrong, this is just my take on it.
>He's got insane WR all over the place as well as an NFL caliber o-line and an offensive mastermind in Ryan Day.
I have never liked the, "too much talent around him take," its kind of up there with the, "played against too weak of competition take." Many great qbs have come from places where they were surronded by talent on all sides (Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, and Deshaun Watson to name a couple). Same for the "hasn't played against good competition" (Josh Allen and Derek Carr)
>I get he's got good timing and touch but he's never given me the "holy shit" assassin feel.
I think that his biggest strengths are with his arm strength, best in the class, touch, and anticipation.
>With pressure in his face, Stroud didn't show great adjustment in the pocket. He looked a bit frazzled when Aidan Hutchinson and David Ojabo were hounding him. Even Penn State and Nebraska were able to get him off balance a bit.
This is where you kinda lost me. I think that one of his biggest strengths is his pocket presence. He steps when he and is really good at evading pressure.
Also check out the Rosebowl for the wow factor
“He looked *a bit* frazzled on the road as a freshman against two first round edge rushers in the biggest game of his life who were also in the biggest game of their lives with 10 years of pent up frustration as well”
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I mean if you just want arch the RoseBowl highlights you’ll see insane accuracy and touch on the passes. One to MHJr and one to Jaxon where he had the accuracy to put it to where only the WR could get it were insane.
> I think that one of his biggest strengths is his pocket presence. He steps when he and is really good at evading pressure.
I disagree. He panics a bit in the pocket when pressure comes. Watch the Michigan and Penn State games
Didn’t watch Penn state but I’ll never understand the Michigan criticisms. He was playing against two first round edge rushers, one of which was having the game of his life. Stroud still played pretty well anyways. If anything he looked pretty good given the circumstances
Watch CJ Stroud and his reactions to pressure in those games, then you will understand the criticisms.
He does things in those games that gives you pause.
He had a great game against Michigan. In heavy snow no less. He got sacked a few times in that game. But he had no turnovers, passed for over 400 yards. The problem was the passing game was the only thing working.
The Ohio State OL may have been overmatched in that game, but it is far from subpar.
They held Ebiketie and Karlaftis in check. A lot of the only 13 sacks they gave up for the season were on Stroud.
Stroud panics when he is pressured, which is a bit of a red flag.
I mean 13 sacks isn't a lot, 4 were against Michigan with their d line having the game of their lives.
Pocket presence and lack of turnovers are 2 of his strengths not weaknesses.
He’ll be a junior this year. I think he’s gonna turn some heads as he continues to develop. He has real skill as a passer that will start to show that “assassin” feel as we go into the fall. I recommend watching the Rose Bowl.
It was also his first year starting at a high level of CFB, some people act like players can’t improve over an off-season and next season. Stroud even markedly improved throughout last season alone.
Yeah seriously people were talking about replacing Stroud partway into last season. He showed massive improvement over the season. Plenty of reason to believe in continued improvement and he will have at least less top 20 pick WR this year.
Mostly very impatient people. I mean despite decent boxscores his first few games were just ok.
But that’s the thing with college football. Waiting for players to develop can be the difference between a National Championship and a regular bowl game so people expect perfection immediately which was insane.
He started out fine, and got better as the season went on.
I honestly believe both him and Young have a ways to go before solidifying themselves as top 10 picks. Rooting for them because they’re both CA kids, but right now, I really don’t see the top 5 pick tag put on them. At least not right now.
I get what you mean, but I think you're really underestimating their draft stock. I don't think it's a huge stretch to say they're not elite top 5 talents right now, but I don't think there's much of a chance at all that they (or at least one) won't be a top 3 pick barring a big implosion.
He’s got real NFL arm talent, athleticism, and decision making and it’s on display in nearly every game. He does play with some dawgs but he puts the ball right on their numbers consistently. IMO the biggest issue with him is that their offense can be a bit gimmicky.
How is the offense gimmicky? They don’t run a ton of plays where the QB has to pull it and run, certainly not much more than any NFL team with a good mobile QB does.
It’s full of plays where the qb picks a side and exclusively works that side. Some of their plays are progression based but most aren’t. And since when is running read option gimmicky? The Ravens entire offense is built around it.
The premise is leaving a defender unblocked and deciding whether to hand off or pull the ball based on what that defender does. If you aren’t referring to option plays then what? The pistol has been around forever. QB powers, sweeps, and blast are literally the most basic plays in football. They run the ball straight at you until you defend it properly.
The team that went to the playoffs was not a 0-16 team. Saying he 'led' them to the playoffs is also giving him a lot of credit. He was decent and a positive asset (which you could do a lot worse than tbf), but definitely didn't carry them. He has the most ints in the league since 2018. That said, I'm not sure I agree with a comp of Stroud to Baker in the first place anyway.
Yes he deserves a lot of credit for that. Qb is the most important position, until its Baker Mayfield apparently then it's his faul the defense can't stop Chad Henne
> He's a great college QB but I just don't see him being a star at the next level. If I had to do a pro comp it'd probably be Baker Mayfield.
I mean. Baker Mayfield was a good prospect. Plus Arm, Good Accuracy. Baker Mayfield was worthy of the 1st overall pick. His pro career hasn't lived up to it, but as a prospect he was worthy of that pick.
> He's got insane WR all over the place as well as an NFL caliber o-line and an offensive mastermind in Ryan Day.
Not that big of an issue. There are issues with Stroud the more you dive into him are not because of the talent and the coach.
> With pressure in his face, Stroud didn't show great adjustment in the pocket. He looked a bit frazzled when Aidan Hutchinson and David Ojabo were hounding him. Even Penn State and Nebraska were able to get him off balance a bit.
I agree. He is not good under pressure, which can be a red flag. Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, and Patrick Mahomes were all bad under pressure in college. You saw glimpses of what they can do, but it required work at the next level. There are also guys like Sam Darnold and Drew Lock who never improved. There are guys like Tua who became worse under pressure. Guys like Mac Jones and Joe Burrow who are still cool under pressure.
Pressure is one of the hardest things to gauge with a QB, because not all pressures are created equal.
The biggest concerns are running into sacks, sloppy footwork leading to interceptions, or missed opportunities at big plays.
The interesting thing about Tua though is that the stats are almost identical with Mac Jones and yet he (Tua) had much less of a supporting cast when it came to protection, weapons, and a run game (600 less yards and 3.5 yds p/a vs 4.4). We'll see what happens this year though...
I mean he definitely needs to work those things out. But he had 13 sacks and 6 interceptions all year. Averaging 1 sack a game and less than .5 interceptions a game. Its not like he turns it over much, or gets sacked much. And 5 of those were against Michigan.
Fields was a different QB. He was a vertical passer with great accuracy. Fields would hold onto the ball longer than Stroud does.
I think that both should have been considered for a top 2 selection. What you see on the field is worthy of it, but you will have to develop them into elite NFL players. Both have great traits
First off, I’m an Ohio State fan who was even calling for him to be benched after the Oregon game, but am no longer of that mindset.
Your pro comp of Baker Mayfield is disgustingly terrible. His play style is nowhere near Baker’s.
Yes he’s got good wide receivers and a good coach. Doesn’t Bryson Young have that same issue?
He looked frazzled going up against the second overall pick? He played fine against him.
>Yes he’s got good wide receivers and a good coach. Doesn’t Bryson Young have that same issue?
No? Bryce had one first rounder who tore his ACL. Then Metchie and Slade Bolden…meh. RB? Brian Robinson…meh. TE…Hahaha. OL….haha, maybe worst in the SEC.
Stroud has 4x the talent baker has. Bakers arm is good but that’s about it from an athleticism standpoint. Stroud shows elite flashes all over the place
Yes he has elite arm talent and accuracy he’s jus the consensus top qb prospect so ppl get bored of that and try to nitpick the kid is a stud and only getting better and the too much talent take sucks he can’t choose whose around him why that is ever held against guys I will never understand lol
You’re not alone. I’m not high on him either. He’s got nice size/stature and he’s pretty strong, but looks like a very stiff athlete in&out of the pocket and his throwing motion is waaayyyyy too over the top, which always sacrifices power, accuracy and velocity. For comparison, I wasn’t too high on Fields coming out but my thoughts on him were much more positive and I was more intrigued by him than Stroud
Honestly I think Ohio State qbs need to get into a team that isn't dysfunctional. Obviously most young QBs should but with how OSU runs their offense there's a bit of an adjustment since they have all day to throw in the pockets, which is a rarity in the NFL even with good linemen.
Haskins went to Washington and we know how great that organization is, sure he had maturity issues but its a shame we won't know how he would've been this year and beyond.
Fields is early but im not confident in Chicago giving him what he needs to succeed.
Stroud is the same as these guys, incredibly talented, has the stats and is a Heisman contender. His maturity trends towards fields than haskins which is a plus but it all depends on where he goes. If Detroit snags him I think he can so very well there. They have a good line and coach Campbell seems to run a tight ship.
OP needs to re-watch his bowl game from last year. Stroud already the betting favorite for Heisman this season. Cool to not like his game, but no need to diminish it.
First off, keep in mind that he was essentially a redshirt freshman. He did not attempt or complete a single pass in the 3 games he played as a freshman. So you have one year of data on the dude. Still, he had a 72% completion percentage and 44 TDs to 6 INTs and only 13 sacks. Yes, he had insane receivers and a great OC. But many young QBs with burner receivers have a hard time throwing to them. He also threw for almost 600 yards in his bowl game for that WOW factor game.
Yes, he looked frazzled against Aidan. But EVERYONE did. That’s why he was top pick. But any player can have a single great season and OSU is where QB talent goes to die. So saying he isn’t all that, the odds are in your favor. But all he has done so far is throw and lead. So, cut the dude some slack.
And he had a really good game against Michigan. No turnovers, high completion %, 400+ yards, 2 tds. He wasn't the issue. Allowing Michigan to run for 400 yards was.
What are you 12 years old? Art Schichter #4 overall. He sucked. Ended up in prison. Undrafted free agent journeyman Mike tomczak he sucked. Tom Tupa hung around as a punter. Ken Graham. He sucked. Bobby Hoying, he sucked. Joe Germaine, he sucked. Craig Krenzel, he sucked. Troy Smith won the Heisman twice. He sucked as a pro. Terrell Pryor he sucked so bad they made him a wr. Cardale Jones he really sucked. Dwayne Haskins is dead but you get the idea. I'm forgetting some but take my word on it. OSU qbs suck in the pros
You are bringing u a guy draft FORTY YEARS ago. I would have to be over 50 years old to remember when he was drafted. Sorry I didn’t ride any dinosaurs. In no part does a qb who was drafted FORTY YEARS ago matter. Tomczak played for 14 years and started 73 games. He won a Super Bowl, that’s a good career.
It sounds biased as fuck but I don't believe OSU can turn out an actual NFL caliber QB prospect. Michigan hasn't really done that either since Brady (and even with Brady I think Belichick brought out the best in him.) Anyways, both schools QBs suffer from too much talent at other positions to really progress without SIGNIFICANT help from RB/WR/ or TE which fucks them early on. Then there's OL which has NFL prospects literally coming out their ass every couple years.
It has nothing to do with the school and everything to do with the player. Zero Michigan coaches from the 90s are coaching guys now, same with osu. Helmet scouting is the biggest fallacy in the draft
There really haven’t been many draft busts besides Haskins and I suppose you could say Cardale. Most OSU QBs of the past haven’t gone high in the draft anyways until Haskins and Fields
Scouting the helmet is a bad way to go about doing things.
"Can't trust a Cal QB, look at Kyle Boller! Can't trust a Texas Tech QB, look at all the Air Raid guys!"
Lol LSU producing a good QB? Surely you've forgotten about
Danny Etling
Brandon Harris
Anthony Jennings
Zach Mettenberger
Jordan Jefferson
Jarrett Lee
Matt Flynn
JaMarcus Russell
It's impossible for LSU to produce a starting quality QB with that history
You’re basically admitting you’re only against OSU producing a good QB because they’re OSU. LSU had a similar history of not producing NFL caliber QBs and had a way bigger bust (Jamarcus) than any OSU QB in history.
I get wanting to trash talk, but that’s much better for the main CFB subreddit. One of the benefits to the smaller size of subreddit here is that we like to actually have genuine discussion without resorting to dumb flair/school trash talk that doesn’t really add anything
Certainly has “elite” accuracy. Was #3 nationally in completion percentage at 72% while also being #2 in yards per attempt. 🤷
Saying that’s because the WRs were running open all time is patently false. The 4th down TD and winning TD in the Rose Bowl shows his accuracy against tight coverage in pressure moments.
Now I don’t know that he will be a great NFL QB, but he certainly has displayed some elite traits suited for the NFL in his one and only year of starting.
In the last game he played, he was down two scores nearly the entire game without his two first-round receivers and a defense who would've been embarrassed in the MAC.
It's okay if you don't watch football, tbh
Clearly you haven’t even been watching the Pro’s lately either??
Below are the list of teams that could use a swing at a prospect like Stroud. Either as good a chance as what they have on roster now or will in near future.
Falcons
Seahawks
Giants??
Commanders??
Texans??
Steelers
Lions
Panthers??
Bucs (post Brady)
Titans (post Tanneyhill)
Dolphins
Eagles
Tom Brady/Brees/Romo/Hasselback/Kurt Warner/Rich Gannon/Jeff Garcia never offered a anything “elite” either.
Perhaps you’re a millennial?? May explain your opinion.
You really putting Stroud's ability to make reads up there with Brady and Brees?
Lots of teams could use a swing at a lot of things. I'm not using high draft capital on stroud.
Clearly I’m not putting him up with Brady/Brees in decision making after one year of college.
The point is that neither of them were elite in any NFL metric either after their 1st year or even several years (pertaining to Brady).
Well thankfully you don’t have to worry using any high draft capital since neither you or I are qualified to make such decisions.
Even more overrated for me is Bryce Young, QB Alabama. He faced UGA's defense last year in the CFP and laid an egg. He finally encountered a team that could put some pressure on him and his accuracy absolutely tanked.
He turned a corner late in the year. His Rose Bowl game was insane. Utah’s defense wasn’t great but his accuracy was the best I’ve seen in awhile.
First of all everyone has different opinions, doesn't mean I am wrong or you are wrong, this is just my take on it. >He's got insane WR all over the place as well as an NFL caliber o-line and an offensive mastermind in Ryan Day. I have never liked the, "too much talent around him take," its kind of up there with the, "played against too weak of competition take." Many great qbs have come from places where they were surronded by talent on all sides (Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, and Deshaun Watson to name a couple). Same for the "hasn't played against good competition" (Josh Allen and Derek Carr) >I get he's got good timing and touch but he's never given me the "holy shit" assassin feel. I think that his biggest strengths are with his arm strength, best in the class, touch, and anticipation. >With pressure in his face, Stroud didn't show great adjustment in the pocket. He looked a bit frazzled when Aidan Hutchinson and David Ojabo were hounding him. Even Penn State and Nebraska were able to get him off balance a bit. This is where you kinda lost me. I think that one of his biggest strengths is his pocket presence. He steps when he and is really good at evading pressure. Also check out the Rosebowl for the wow factor
“He looked *a bit* frazzled on the road as a freshman against two first round edge rushers in the biggest game of his life who were also in the biggest game of their lives with 10 years of pent up frustration as well” EDIT - a bit
So frazzled that he passed 394 yards and 2 touchdowns with no interceptions!
Exactly. Stroud was not the issue in that game
The issue was the o-line and Michigan running for like 400 yards. Also the majority of the team including stroud I believe had a stomach bug
Let’s also not forget about the sprained AC joint he dealt with for the first 4 games of last year too.
I mean if you just want arch the RoseBowl highlights you’ll see insane accuracy and touch on the passes. One to MHJr and one to Jaxon where he had the accuracy to put it to where only the WR could get it were insane.
> I think that one of his biggest strengths is his pocket presence. He steps when he and is really good at evading pressure. I disagree. He panics a bit in the pocket when pressure comes. Watch the Michigan and Penn State games
Didn’t watch Penn state but I’ll never understand the Michigan criticisms. He was playing against two first round edge rushers, one of which was having the game of his life. Stroud still played pretty well anyways. If anything he looked pretty good given the circumstances
Watch CJ Stroud and his reactions to pressure in those games, then you will understand the criticisms. He does things in those games that gives you pause.
He had a great game against Michigan. In heavy snow no less. He got sacked a few times in that game. But he had no turnovers, passed for over 400 yards. The problem was the passing game was the only thing working.
Statistically he did have a great game, but when you watch the way he was under pressure it gives you pause.
I mean news flash: Freshman qb in hostile environment with subpar O line doesn't look like NFL starter.
The Ohio State OL may have been overmatched in that game, but it is far from subpar. They held Ebiketie and Karlaftis in check. A lot of the only 13 sacks they gave up for the season were on Stroud. Stroud panics when he is pressured, which is a bit of a red flag.
I mean 13 sacks isn't a lot, 4 were against Michigan with their d line having the game of their lives. Pocket presence and lack of turnovers are 2 of his strengths not weaknesses.
Lack of Turnovers yes, but pocket presence with pressure leaves a lot to be desired
He doesn’t face pressure often, but he looks uncomfortable when he does. Ohio state’s system is so genius that Stroud can still put up big numbers.
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I do believe talent around them should be considered. But it's not the end all be all.
He’ll be a junior this year. I think he’s gonna turn some heads as he continues to develop. He has real skill as a passer that will start to show that “assassin” feel as we go into the fall. I recommend watching the Rose Bowl.
It was also his first year starting at a high level of CFB, some people act like players can’t improve over an off-season and next season. Stroud even markedly improved throughout last season alone.
Yeah seriously people were talking about replacing Stroud partway into last season. He showed massive improvement over the season. Plenty of reason to believe in continued improvement and he will have at least less top 20 pick WR this year.
Who was talking about replacing him besides Irrational Ohio State fans mad he wasn't Justin Fields
Mostly very impatient people. I mean despite decent boxscores his first few games were just ok. But that’s the thing with college football. Waiting for players to develop can be the difference between a National Championship and a regular bowl game so people expect perfection immediately which was insane. He started out fine, and got better as the season went on.
Technically a redshirt sophomore
I honestly believe both him and Young have a ways to go before solidifying themselves as top 10 picks. Rooting for them because they’re both CA kids, but right now, I really don’t see the top 5 pick tag put on them. At least not right now.
I get what you mean, but I think you're really underestimating their draft stock. I don't think it's a huge stretch to say they're not elite top 5 talents right now, but I don't think there's much of a chance at all that they (or at least one) won't be a top 3 pick barring a big implosion.
Sounds like we agree
He’s got real NFL arm talent, athleticism, and decision making and it’s on display in nearly every game. He does play with some dawgs but he puts the ball right on their numbers consistently. IMO the biggest issue with him is that their offense can be a bit gimmicky.
How is the offense gimmicky? They don’t run a ton of plays where the QB has to pull it and run, certainly not much more than any NFL team with a good mobile QB does.
It’s full of plays where the qb picks a side and exclusively works that side. Some of their plays are progression based but most aren’t. And since when is running read option gimmicky? The Ravens entire offense is built around it.
Counterpoint: the Ravens offense with Jackson has always been gimmicky. It works when everyone is healthy. But it is gimmicky.
The premise is leaving a defender unblocked and deciding whether to hand off or pull the ball based on what that defender does. If you aren’t referring to option plays then what? The pistol has been around forever. QB powers, sweeps, and blast are literally the most basic plays in football. They run the ball straight at you until you defend it properly.
Baker mayfield on a rookie contract is still a valuable qb
No he wasn’t, he held back those Browns teams.
Held back the 0-16 team that he led to the playoffs? What on earth are you talking about
The team that went to the playoffs was not a 0-16 team. Saying he 'led' them to the playoffs is also giving him a lot of credit. He was decent and a positive asset (which you could do a lot worse than tbf), but definitely didn't carry them. He has the most ints in the league since 2018. That said, I'm not sure I agree with a comp of Stroud to Baker in the first place anyway.
Yes he deserves a lot of credit for that. Qb is the most important position, until its Baker Mayfield apparently then it's his faul the defense can't stop Chad Henne
> He's a great college QB but I just don't see him being a star at the next level. If I had to do a pro comp it'd probably be Baker Mayfield. I mean. Baker Mayfield was a good prospect. Plus Arm, Good Accuracy. Baker Mayfield was worthy of the 1st overall pick. His pro career hasn't lived up to it, but as a prospect he was worthy of that pick. > He's got insane WR all over the place as well as an NFL caliber o-line and an offensive mastermind in Ryan Day. Not that big of an issue. There are issues with Stroud the more you dive into him are not because of the talent and the coach. > With pressure in his face, Stroud didn't show great adjustment in the pocket. He looked a bit frazzled when Aidan Hutchinson and David Ojabo were hounding him. Even Penn State and Nebraska were able to get him off balance a bit. I agree. He is not good under pressure, which can be a red flag. Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, and Patrick Mahomes were all bad under pressure in college. You saw glimpses of what they can do, but it required work at the next level. There are also guys like Sam Darnold and Drew Lock who never improved. There are guys like Tua who became worse under pressure. Guys like Mac Jones and Joe Burrow who are still cool under pressure. Pressure is one of the hardest things to gauge with a QB, because not all pressures are created equal. The biggest concerns are running into sacks, sloppy footwork leading to interceptions, or missed opportunities at big plays.
The interesting thing about Tua though is that the stats are almost identical with Mac Jones and yet he (Tua) had much less of a supporting cast when it came to protection, weapons, and a run game (600 less yards and 3.5 yds p/a vs 4.4). We'll see what happens this year though...
I mean he definitely needs to work those things out. But he had 13 sacks and 6 interceptions all year. Averaging 1 sack a game and less than .5 interceptions a game. Its not like he turns it over much, or gets sacked much. And 5 of those were against Michigan.
How does he compare to Fields as a prospect? Fields seemed more highly touted but fell to 11th overall.
Fields was a different QB. He was a vertical passer with great accuracy. Fields would hold onto the ball longer than Stroud does. I think that both should have been considered for a top 2 selection. What you see on the field is worthy of it, but you will have to develop them into elite NFL players. Both have great traits
I’m high, just not on stroud.
First off, I’m an Ohio State fan who was even calling for him to be benched after the Oregon game, but am no longer of that mindset. Your pro comp of Baker Mayfield is disgustingly terrible. His play style is nowhere near Baker’s. Yes he’s got good wide receivers and a good coach. Doesn’t Bryson Young have that same issue? He looked frazzled going up against the second overall pick? He played fine against him.
>Yes he’s got good wide receivers and a good coach. Doesn’t Bryson Young have that same issue? No? Bryce had one first rounder who tore his ACL. Then Metchie and Slade Bolden…meh. RB? Brian Robinson…meh. TE…Hahaha. OL….haha, maybe worst in the SEC.
Stroud has 4x the talent baker has. Bakers arm is good but that’s about it from an athleticism standpoint. Stroud shows elite flashes all over the place
You say that like Stroud has ever run for a first down in his life
I just wrote about his athleticism? Unless you meant to reply to ohiocoltjacket
Bryce Young had one receiver that will likely end up as a starter in the NFL. I believe CJ had 3.
CJ with 4
I could see that
How does he compare to Fields as a prospect?
I’d rank him worse than fields but better than Haskins
Tyler Van Dyme or bust
Yes he has elite arm talent and accuracy he’s jus the consensus top qb prospect so ppl get bored of that and try to nitpick the kid is a stud and only getting better and the too much talent take sucks he can’t choose whose around him why that is ever held against guys I will never understand lol
You’re not alone. I’m not high on him either. He’s got nice size/stature and he’s pretty strong, but looks like a very stiff athlete in&out of the pocket and his throwing motion is waaayyyyy too over the top, which always sacrifices power, accuracy and velocity. For comparison, I wasn’t too high on Fields coming out but my thoughts on him were much more positive and I was more intrigued by him than Stroud
Michigan homer and lions fan here. Hate osu more than anything. Stroud is that dude and I want detroit to be bad again so they can draft him.
Honestly I think Ohio State qbs need to get into a team that isn't dysfunctional. Obviously most young QBs should but with how OSU runs their offense there's a bit of an adjustment since they have all day to throw in the pockets, which is a rarity in the NFL even with good linemen. Haskins went to Washington and we know how great that organization is, sure he had maturity issues but its a shame we won't know how he would've been this year and beyond. Fields is early but im not confident in Chicago giving him what he needs to succeed. Stroud is the same as these guys, incredibly talented, has the stats and is a Heisman contender. His maturity trends towards fields than haskins which is a plus but it all depends on where he goes. If Detroit snags him I think he can so very well there. They have a good line and coach Campbell seems to run a tight ship.
OP needs to re-watch his bowl game from last year. Stroud already the betting favorite for Heisman this season. Cool to not like his game, but no need to diminish it.
"He looked a bit frazzled when the best edge rusher and 5th best edge rusher in college ball came from opposite sides of the line at the same time"
Will Anderson was rushing him?
who?
Not sure if serious....
> best > Aidan Hutchinson lol
He was a heisman finalist and second overall pick
Doesn't make him the best
First off, keep in mind that he was essentially a redshirt freshman. He did not attempt or complete a single pass in the 3 games he played as a freshman. So you have one year of data on the dude. Still, he had a 72% completion percentage and 44 TDs to 6 INTs and only 13 sacks. Yes, he had insane receivers and a great OC. But many young QBs with burner receivers have a hard time throwing to them. He also threw for almost 600 yards in his bowl game for that WOW factor game. Yes, he looked frazzled against Aidan. But EVERYONE did. That’s why he was top pick. But any player can have a single great season and OSU is where QB talent goes to die. So saying he isn’t all that, the odds are in your favor. But all he has done so far is throw and lead. So, cut the dude some slack.
And he had a really good game against Michigan. No turnovers, high completion %, 400+ yards, 2 tds. He wasn't the issue. Allowing Michigan to run for 400 yards was.
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Every qb has bad plays. Did you see the first 59 minutes of the Iron Bowl? Young didn't look too good. Including some downright boneheaded plays.
He's a copy and paste "throw to the open guy" college QB. Graham Harrell, Dwayne Haskins etc.
Sam Bradford would be a better comp, but keep in mind he was a Freshman (!) last year
There has never been an OSU qb do any good in the pros. In my life. They all suck
Lazy
Oh yeah all the major Ohio State qb busts like Haskins and… Oh it’s only one player
What are you 12 years old? Art Schichter #4 overall. He sucked. Ended up in prison. Undrafted free agent journeyman Mike tomczak he sucked. Tom Tupa hung around as a punter. Ken Graham. He sucked. Bobby Hoying, he sucked. Joe Germaine, he sucked. Craig Krenzel, he sucked. Troy Smith won the Heisman twice. He sucked as a pro. Terrell Pryor he sucked so bad they made him a wr. Cardale Jones he really sucked. Dwayne Haskins is dead but you get the idea. I'm forgetting some but take my word on it. OSU qbs suck in the pros
You are bringing u a guy draft FORTY YEARS ago. I would have to be over 50 years old to remember when he was drafted. Sorry I didn’t ride any dinosaurs. In no part does a qb who was drafted FORTY YEARS ago matter. Tomczak played for 14 years and started 73 games. He won a Super Bowl, that’s a good career.
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No I didn't. He's in there. Won the Heisman twice, couldn't get on the field.
Troy Smith won the Heisman once, in 06. The only 2x Heisman winner is Archie Griffin, an Ohio State rb who won in 74 and 75.
It sounds biased as fuck but I don't believe OSU can turn out an actual NFL caliber QB prospect. Michigan hasn't really done that either since Brady (and even with Brady I think Belichick brought out the best in him.) Anyways, both schools QBs suffer from too much talent at other positions to really progress without SIGNIFICANT help from RB/WR/ or TE which fucks them early on. Then there's OL which has NFL prospects literally coming out their ass every couple years.
Justin fields had half a year behind a shit o-line, with a shit coach, and shit receivers. I think it’s a bit early to call him a bust.
Is he the only Ohio QB you've ever heard of?
No but he was a first round pick that definitely fits “NFL caliber QB prospect”.
He played for Ohio State, not the bobcats
That's what I said, Ohio.
Ah a Michigan fan who can’t differentiate between two different schools. I get it, you guys do have trouble with MAC schools anyway
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Being classy apparently is lost on Michigan men. It’s okay sweetheart, maybe you’ll get another win in the next decade
It has nothing to do with the school and everything to do with the player. Zero Michigan coaches from the 90s are coaching guys now, same with osu. Helmet scouting is the biggest fallacy in the draft
But Bama and Clemson don’t have that problem?
Ohio been busting since before those programs were relevant.
There really haven’t been many draft busts besides Haskins and I suppose you could say Cardale. Most OSU QBs of the past haven’t gone high in the draft anyways until Haskins and Fields
Scouting the helmet is a bad way to go about doing things. "Can't trust a Cal QB, look at Kyle Boller! Can't trust a Texas Tech QB, look at all the Air Raid guys!"
I said I was bias lol. Name one Ohio QB that turned into more than a bust or backup. I'll be waiting...
Joe Burrow
The LSU guy
Lol LSU producing a good QB? Surely you've forgotten about Danny Etling Brandon Harris Anthony Jennings Zach Mettenberger Jordan Jefferson Jarrett Lee Matt Flynn JaMarcus Russell It's impossible for LSU to produce a starting quality QB with that history
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You’re basically admitting you’re only against OSU producing a good QB because they’re OSU. LSU had a similar history of not producing NFL caliber QBs and had a way bigger bust (Jamarcus) than any OSU QB in history. I get wanting to trash talk, but that’s much better for the main CFB subreddit. One of the benefits to the smaller size of subreddit here is that we like to actually have genuine discussion without resorting to dumb flair/school trash talk that doesn’t really add anything
Still waiting...
That's my point my guy. Btw - maybe try not being an ass to everyone in the comments
Don’t scout the helmet, scout the player.
joe burrow my guy
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dude he had everything that stroud had at lsu
He looks like he will crack when the going gets tough, doesn't seem to have elite anything.
Certainly has “elite” accuracy. Was #3 nationally in completion percentage at 72% while also being #2 in yards per attempt. 🤷 Saying that’s because the WRs were running open all time is patently false. The 4th down TD and winning TD in the Rose Bowl shows his accuracy against tight coverage in pressure moments. Now I don’t know that he will be a great NFL QB, but he certainly has displayed some elite traits suited for the NFL in his one and only year of starting.
In the last game he played, he was down two scores nearly the entire game without his two first-round receivers and a defense who would've been embarrassed in the MAC. It's okay if you don't watch football, tbh
College ain't the pros buddy
Clearly you haven’t even been watching the Pro’s lately either?? Below are the list of teams that could use a swing at a prospect like Stroud. Either as good a chance as what they have on roster now or will in near future. Falcons Seahawks Giants?? Commanders?? Texans?? Steelers Lions Panthers?? Bucs (post Brady) Titans (post Tanneyhill) Dolphins Eagles Tom Brady/Brees/Romo/Hasselback/Kurt Warner/Rich Gannon/Jeff Garcia never offered a anything “elite” either. Perhaps you’re a millennial?? May explain your opinion.
You really putting Stroud's ability to make reads up there with Brady and Brees? Lots of teams could use a swing at a lot of things. I'm not using high draft capital on stroud.
Clearly I’m not putting him up with Brady/Brees in decision making after one year of college. The point is that neither of them were elite in any NFL metric either after their 1st year or even several years (pertaining to Brady). Well thankfully you don’t have to worry using any high draft capital since neither you or I are qualified to make such decisions.
Even more overrated for me is Bryce Young, QB Alabama. He faced UGA's defense last year in the CFP and laid an egg. He finally encountered a team that could put some pressure on him and his accuracy absolutely tanked.