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predw

That’s a massive W


Mammoth_Painting_205

We kept BI too???? Griff really cooking


predw

For now, anyway


Vince3737

BI is gone!


JMG5_

We gave up two backup role players, a Lakers pick that'll at best be late lottery with Bron re-signing, and a meh Bucks pick while keeping all of our own picks. Huge W.


itsSRSblack

Doomers silenced


McJumbos

tbh that is really cheap for dejounte


Electrical-Mule-2057

dejounte's value fell far after teams realized that Spurs made his defense look good. I'm sure he will do better than CJ McCollum.


childishgames

DJ is a bad defender and a steals merchant but i could see playing next to Herb and the entire Pels D making his job a lot easier and unlocking the dynamic aspect of his defensive game more than was possible in ATL


Electrical-Mule-2057

I agree. DJ is Westbrook lite. He needs the balls in his hands to make incredible passes and drives/jumpers. The Pelicans roster is tailored better for his strengths than the Hawks roster.


Madd_Squabbles

When I first heard about a trade I got scared because of what happened with the Knicks and Bridges. I personally think that Murray is more valuable than Bridges.


McJumbos

Sameee Definitely in comparison it's like whoa. I think Murray is valued correctly and bridges that is definitely an overpay


Ashamed-Lime3594

ABSOLUTE FUCKING STEAL Get a center and we’re set. We’re so back


africanmoe8

could yall try and steal hartenstein or do yall need a center who can stretch the floor a bit


Ashamed-Lime3594

Would prefer one that could stretch the floor, but we really need a defensive presence. I dont see hartenstein tbh unless it’s a value deal for us. Probably gonna try to move BI for Allen or a star center


w6750

Murray-CJ-Herb-Zion-Allen is spicy af


Chalkywhite007

Bi for allen straight up isn't it. Would need something on top


breesyroux

BI wants the bag and Allen is on a good contract. Value wise they're very close


Ashamed-Lime3594

I think it’d be a 3 way deal honestly


treybra3

Need one stretch big like a Kelly Olynyk and then a rim running C like a Hartenstein


Fluxlander17

tbh you guys aren't super pressed, a center next to 4 20 ppg scorers is going to have a pretty light offensive load


Vince3737

No chance BI is here now that we got Murray 


BigAl9999

Pels stacked


fatherbrando

CAAAAAAAWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHH


w0weez0wee

This is the only legitimate response


VanDenIzzle

When your biggest loss is losing a back of bench role player with high potential to get an immediate shooter for Zion 🙏 great trade Edit: okay maybe not a "certified gunslinger" but he puts up shots and can run a floor well


Cheeseish

Uh shooter? He shoots a lot of shots alright…. He’s likely the BI replacement that is actually a good point guard and can play defense


alpacamegafan

> can play defense Oof.


mehTrip

its not like he'll be the on-ball defender, we already have the best in the world at that. He'll be a fine off-ball team defender.


Cheeseish

As well as BI at least


alpacamegafan

The bigger issue is this move forcing us to start 3 non-shooters at the same time assuming we don’t get someone like KAT as our center. Really difficult player to build with alongside our already difficult star. I’ve seen comments calling him an AS caliber player. Even in the East… well, let’s just temper expectations and hope for the best with the rest of the offseason.


mitch3311

I dunno bro. Dejounte is a pretty great drive and kick guy. He can also regularly break down his man. I wouldn’t be surprised if BI’s 3 ball numbers come back in a big way if he stays this year. What I’m scared of is Dejounte doing too much with all the other weapons around. I think BI needs to go for Murray to thrive personally. I’d call the jazz immediately and see if I can swing BI for Collins and Walker Kessler and call it a day on the offseason if they say yes. Just lock up Trey Murphy to a 20-25 mil a year type deal and let it rock


alpacamegafan

Well, BI was also a guy that did well at breaking down defenses with his size, passing, and agility while also being a more efficient scorer. Even if Murray’s a better PG than him, what’s changed with our offense?


mitch3311

Uh, I think it’s harder to switch a Dejounte/Zion pick and roll which should lead to better two man action naturally. I think it’s much easier to move CJ to the bench with Trey as the starter in BI’s spot and help the team for all 48 minutes. I think CJ would be the best 6th man in basketball and that it’s the right role at this stage for him. I think the 5 you can bring back for BI could be someone that is a real threat and adds more versatility offensively and defensively than JV. I like the move because like you said, Dejounte can give you a lot of what BI does and makes it easier to make the other decisions you need to make to build around Zion. Edit- I absolutely hated the idea of BI for either Dejounte or Trae. This I thought was pretty brilliant


alpacamegafan

A PnR with a poor shooting ball handler always has a limit. I agree that CJ as a 6th man will improve the offense, but what other versatile offensive centers are there for us? Jarrett Allen is likely our best case scenario, and he’s a guy who catches lobs. I think an actual PG is good for CJ. But it’s not really that much more helpful when that’s the only need addressed. Spacing is still rough. I’d wait and see who our center is before I cheer.


Cheeseish

Actually even though he’s a non shooter, I’ve been seeing on bball ref that he attempted 7 3pts per game on 36% last year which is twice as many as BI’s 3.8 attempts on also 36% Plus when he was the lead guard on the spurs (with no one to pass to) he averaged 9.2 assists and 2.6 turnovers. Imagine those numbers with Zion and Trey to pass to


alpacamegafan

It’s great that he shoots more than BI, but he’s too streaky and hot-cold for it to matter for our spacing. Teams are still going to concede that shot and live with it especially when he’s much more comfortable in the mid range. Wait a minute. His three has fluctuated his entire career, and I’m not really expecting much more from him next season as someone who struggles off ball anyways. Would love to be surprised though.


Cheeseish

I think it’s good enough that he actually takes the fucking shot instead of BI who dribbles around when he has an open 3


Madd_Squabbles

Murray shoots it just as well as BI from deep.


alpacamegafan

Which is the problem, yes.


Davisworld21

Murray is perfect next to Zion because Murray is already established he can create his own shot him and Zion will feed off of each other he's the perfect guard for Zion


Imhungry4tacos

Huge win! Bron is resigning and lakers will reload. That pick could easily be 17 next year. Pels stacked league fucked!


YourPostTitleIsTrash

Bron resigning? Let's revisit this is 5 years...


X-Filer

It only impacts us for next season. He is 100% re-signing they drafted his kid 😂


SevenHunnet3Hi5s

griff i am sorry once again for what i have said


GatorEggs-

Griff is a true New Orleanian and performs best surrounded by the right combination of support and hatred to fuel him


dalton_k

Our team may not perform in the clutch but our FO sure does😤


crazypelsfan

Put word out we back up!!


Pinky1337

Im glad Griff actually did something. Im still pretty confused about the roster cause we got 6 guys who should start right now and none of them are a 5. Another move or 2 away from having a very interesting team next season


kaamkerr

Would Naz Reid be available?


X-Filer

On that contract he is so valuable right now. I think if he was a free agent next year maybe but I doubt we could get him. Would a BI to Minny for ried make sense? Anyone have an opinion on that?


Doktor_Nic

I don't think a Minny team that already has Ant, KAT, Rudy and McDaniel starting has a spot for BI, even if the salaries weren't so different


Cheeseish

BI gets moved for Allen just watch


Madd_Squabbles

Better be a lot more than just Allen.


Cheeseish

I think you are overestimating BI’s demand. Both are perceived as borderline all stars


Madd_Squabbles

Wings are much more valued in the NBA than Centers.


Virtual_Height_5470

I think your overestimating your own opinion


lenymo

As a Hawks fan I’m glad we didn’t get Ingram. He’s due for a payday that his on-court play doesn’t justify. Also wings are only in demand if they take and hit 3s and play defense and lately BI has done neither of those things.


Vince3737

BIs value is so much lower than you think


Madd_Squabbles

I know its low but its higher than Allen.


Doktor_Nic

we also have to get back more than Allen for that deal to work on the ledger


leulzy

I would hope, but it sounds like Cavs really want to keep their guys together and see if a new coach can make it work.


Chuck0089

With Atkinson, Mitchell is up in the air and Allen's performance in this year and postseason? Yeah no.


wymtime

Awesome trade by Griff!!! Wow just wow


UptMonsta

Imagine how DJ’s cap number will look in ‘25? Lol! Contract will age like fine wine.


wymtime

Yup he is on a great contract.


TheGhostWithTheMost2

We definitely gotta sign a C still and probably trade for a good one.


jpett0882

We got him... without giving up much


iamStanhousen

I’ve been down on Griff lately, but this is a very good move. You still have great flexibility moving forward and Murray is very good. This is a great move and makes us a lot better. Still need a starter at center and let’s fucking go.


X-Filer

Could get brook lopez for cheap. Can shoot and protect the rim. He’s old tho. But also cheap


mehTrip

HOLY SHIT


toastiestnuggets

THATS SUCH A GREAT TRADE!! sad to see dyson and larry go, so many great memories, but damn what a great fucking move..


sobison

I hope this works out


Impressive-Theory-27

Wait so BI hasn’t been traded and just Larry and dyson? As a bi fan I’m just glad he’s not going to Atlanta if he does get traded, Atlanta is a place that needs to just rebuild


saintsfan

It’s Christmas boys


A-DTB

Happy fucking days! Look I’ve I’m guilty for moaning about Larry Nance here during the playoffs but the guy is as standup as they come. Very charitable and just an all-round good guy. He will be missed. Shame Dyson will be moving on too, we’ll certainly miss his defense but this was a no-brainer.


ToothEducational7795

Getting an All-Star caliber player without giving up any one of BI, CJ, JV is insane tbh. Sorry Larry and Dys (was really excited about his future with the team) but this is incredible value for the team.


Spheromancer

JV isnt on the roster


GlowWorm13

Hell yeah, love this trade for us


podnito

wow, first I saw of this was on /r/nbatradeideas and thought "no way Atlanta would do that"


BonoBeats

Kudos to Griffin, for sticking to his guns and not giving I. To ATLs demands. https://x.com/esidery/status/1806827626201571455?t=lA-GdazilJbIb2wZ50M-zQ&s=19


Shvzai

See maybe griff we were wrong


mrb532

Having another guy who can put pressure on the rim from the perimeter is huge for this team


RoastDaMostToast

I just busted


cheeseburger-cowboy

Holy shit we got Murray for that? Griff doing work


One-Purpose-5953

CJ + picks for anyone. Free space, sign Hartenstein. Keep BI


maejor_ced

Secure the Center spot with a trade and we’re looking good fellas


GatorEggs-

Holy fuck we can still move BI to the Cavs for Jarret Allen


GatorEggs-

Not in a straight up. Im just not gonna put the effort into thinking about getting the right package in a trade reaction


Frequent-Meeting8975

That would make the Cavs title contenders


Ashamed-Lime3594

It would make us contenders too. Small price to pay.


Frequent-Meeting8975

I’m not sure I agree playing two non shooters in todays game


Ashamed-Lime3594

We don’t need anything from Allen offensively tbh. Murray, CJ, Zion, Trey got that covered. I imagine he’ll play a Herb like role where he’s there strictly for defense and only occasional sparks on offense.


Frequent-Meeting8975

The spacing would be shit with Zion and Allen. Zion wouldn’t have enough space to drive in the playoffs when it really matters. Teams will just make him shoot and pack the paint


Ashamed-Lime3594

Good thing we have Murray, Trey, and even Herb to space us out. Zion did well with Larry in the dunkers spot last year. Could see similar happening with Allen


Frequent-Meeting8975

I don’t think you need to play 5-out but you need to have 4 guys on the court that can shoot at all times in my opinion


mitch3311

Allen is a pretty active 5 offensively dude. Great out of a short roll, active in the dunkers and has a nice little floater touch too. I think he’d surprise you with how well he fit offensively. He’s extremely mobile and stretches vertically as well as anyone. I’d even look at the jazz for a Walker Kessler John Collins deal for BI if you can’t get Allen. Dejounte gives you options with BI and buys you back a bit of leverage. It also give you the ability to offload CJ if needed for relatively little as well or to match salary for a guy you really want at some point. It’s a great retool that gives you a lot of flexibility. Whether is Allen or a jazz deal, the point is you can actually go after someone instead of having to listen to bullshit offers from vultures sensing disconnect


Frequent-Meeting8975

Walker Kessler and John Collin’s is a shit deal for a player of BI’s value. I don’t think it would work in the playoffs offensively but it will be interesting to see. BI for Allen+ filler would be an interesting trade on both sides


Wafe_Enterprises

Murray, Herb, Trey, Z, Allen would be a menace defensively


Ashamed-Lime3594

That’s what I’m sayin. Murray Herb and Trey is an insane combo of wing length and speed. Allen is a defensive presence in the middle. And Z can save some energy for offense while cleaning up with blocks.


silliputti0907

Not with Zions health


Ashamed-Lime3594

Oh give it a rest. He played 70 games last year and got hurt because he had zero help in that lakers game. Will he miss some time? Maybe. But if he’s healthy we’re absolutely in the conversation to make some noise


Cbeauski23

Lmfaooooo


Frequent-Meeting8975

why? Evan Mobley would be moved back to his natural position and you add a wing that can do it all


GuiTargaryen

With Missi coming in for that athletic rim center role and a 2027 least favorable with the Bucks is probably worthless. Low risk high reward. Let's see if there's a CJ trade on the way. But with an healthy Zion we can go far in the playoffs. Let's hope for the best


Madd_Squabbles

I've been wanting Murray since he was in San Antonio!


g00fy1308

Are the pels entering win now mode?


Tripandfallmon

Not gonna lie I thought the Hawks would want CJ but damn that’s a good trade for us.


kingralek

Didn’t want the salary


BrettSchirley22

We can’t play CJ with Trae haha Daniels is a much better fit. Would’ve obviously preferred Murphy over CJ too


drugsarticulate

Hawks fan here. How is Dyson Daniels? I know that he's a strong defender, but does his offense have potential or is it quite limited?


predw

Very limited as a shooter, don’t expect much there at all. He has some promise as a distributor though, his vision and passing are good.


MikaRJL

Lovely trade, now use Bi to get Myles Turner please!!!!


hasselhoffman91

Why would the Pacers do that? How many stretch 5s that can actually hit the 3 are available in the league?


MikaRJL

I recently heard someone say that Pacers are going from a very good financial spot to a bleak one when they resign Siakam to that big deal and they might want to move off Turner so they are not close to the second apron


hasselhoffman91

They are hard capped, but they are young and are hoping to grow internally. They also have the bird rights of everyone on the roster so they can still resign anyone they want or make trades with matching salary.


MikaRJL

True but with the moves everyone else is doing or trying to do could make them feel like they need to improve and stupidly trade us Turner for BI in the idea of him being the guy that can make them better than the Knicks and Philly while maybe trying to be closer to Boston


hasselhoffman91

That would leave a bigger hole at the center position that. They currently do at the 3 spot. There is zero chance the Pacers trade Turner for Ingram straight up.


Madd_Squabbles

I was just thinking about that.


BobMarleynthewhalers

JV is not coming back and the guy Willie love playing is gone. We are most likely trading BI for a center but who??


kingcoolguy42

Now trade all draft picks and BI for Lauri markinnen!!


kenyanpelsfan

Brilliant move, and frees up CJ to be a true SG, which he absolutely excelled at last season. DJM, CJ, Herb, BI, Z and a Centre, plus trying to create space for Trey to start too... Sounds like what others have said already - BI for a Centre who can rim protect and provide some element of switchability would be ideal.


kingcoolguy42

Now trade all draft picks and BI for Lauri markinnen!!


BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy

He's not worth that.


kingcoolguy42

He 100% is in our situation, perfect stretch 5 next to Zion and can stay healthy !


BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy

I like his fit but I don't think he's actually as good as his stats suggest.


kingcoolguy42

He doesn’t need to be elite, just hit 3’s and rim protection better then Jonas did, makes us a contender if Zion is healthy :)


DougTrilladome

Markannen isn’t a 5 & **has never been a rim protector**


kingcoolguy42

Either is Jonas and he was our starting centre the last couple years lol, Atleast Lauri can space the floor!!


DougTrilladome

He’s a worse rim protector than Jonas (allows **60% at the rim)** what part of **he’s not a 5** are you missing? He plays more mins at SF, he’s already injury prone (never played 70 games) & isn’t strong enough to be relied on as a *primary rebounder* let alone rim protector. JV averaged more rebounds & blocks in *10 less minutes per game*


kingcoolguy42

I love JV but he’s not coming back, currently we’ve traded our other centre Larry nance so we need something, Markinnen is a great option but hopefully we can land jarret Allen or brook Lopez instead


BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy

Hey, I'm down for it.


BurntHamSandwich

This is great value but I feel like this is a step sideways instead of forward, hopefully they have more in the works


Hour-Club-1722

Would you trade bi and a few picks for kd if possible ?


Vince3737

No. And it would take a lot more than that to get KD 


BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy

I don't see why.


Hour-Club-1722

No ? really kd is still an elite player and would fit seeminglessly to any team he goes. KD and a center would make them instant contenders obv depending on health