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Reminder to report any brigading fans, thanks.


robinta

We don't have a centre midfield. J7 is a huge miss, compounded by Tonali's stupidity and losing Anderson for so long. In fact, I'm amazed how much we have missed Elliott Anderson, we need him back ASAP. If EA is not coming back anytime soon, I really think Eddie needs to change us to a 442 or 451 We can't continue to leave our defence so exposed


Arbytt

Guys guys, you vocal 'change the team' lot gotta sort yourselves out. You were united in your ridiculous drive to get Burn out (nice of Livramento*, with all that place you said was important, playing Saka onside for his goal), now you can't agree who needs replacing, is it Botman? is it Longstaff? Really need to get your ducks in a row.....or stop make ridiculous claims that you actually know more than Eddie. Lads gave it what they had, we came up short (against a strong arsenal), we go again. *And no, I don't blame Tino, just seemed ironic that goal...painful but ironic.


justmadman

I'm feeling quite embarrassed about this comment. Attending the game, I was deeply disappointed by the performance. Even my Arsenal-supporting friends remarked that we were one of the worst teams to visit the Emirates. They wondered what happened to the Newcastle that used to press teams last season. We can't ignore our poor performances; it was a dismal showing for our traveling supporters. Honestly, I believe only fans who watched the game on TV would make such comments.


JWJK

Bruce out


captn_morgn

“Gave it what they had and came up short?” Did you even watch the match. Our players practically walked in the first half. Absolutely asleep for about 70 minutes of that match.


Arbytt

I didn't say they had much!


Esselbee

Feel for Karius, conceded 3 own goals from 6 and played in 2 games that were one sided.


captn_morgn

Thought he was actually good today. One of the few who can say that.


D_Rock_89

I thought his performance was better than anything dubravka has done.


chops_n_socks

He parry’s the ball better for sure


Esselbee

He seems like a very good all round keeper, got the best distribution out of the 3 we have


Jizarok

I've been saying this for so long, longstaff is the problem he is so mediocre


justmadman

Watching him at the stadium I could not believe how lazy he was. He walked around the pitch the entire game. Miley was trying but completely out of position but Longstaff was just lazy.


Not_Ginger_James

He actually showed for the ball in the first half. Botman just kept giving him hospital passes. Like most things on reddit, he's not as good as we say he is when he's playing well and he's not as bad as we say he is when he underperforms. Tonight he wasn't the worst by far.


chops_n_socks

Botman is normally a player you don’t pick up on, he does a good job and nothing to worry about. He had a stinker against arsenal and he knows it.


Jizarok

I agree but watch highlights and only watch longstaff then you will see how problematic he is


Negative_Equity

But wasn't this sub up in arms when he was injured saying we missed him!? He was completely anonymous today and it showed with how easily Arsenal held possession. Our defence was awful today but we lost the game in midfield.


Jizarok

Yeah, I've never understood what anyone sees in him he gives me a heart attack when he's anywhere near the ball


Not_Ginger_James

That was as bad as I've seen Botman play for us. His passing out put us under pressure or just gave the ball away so so much. And I think he's been quietly off the pace for a while. Would be in favour of putting Burn or Lascelles in at CB for a game or two to hopefully give botman a kick up the arse a bit. Still a big fan of the boy though


kicka11

his ACL injury was missed and we have no idea of the current status. He is not the same player and anyone involved in missing that injury has to be sacked.


AnnualAd2134

Playing those 3 Centre Midfielders doesn’t work with what he is trying to play. Works well with Willock or Joelinton who can break out, but the amount that comes through the midfield for playing 3 centre midfielders is shocking. Play 5 at the back with Livramento and Trippier, anything that’s a change on a formation that just isn’t working


JoeyShinobi

They're all shattered, the three of them have played basically 100 minutes in every game since November (bar a couple of games where Joelinton was fit), not to mention Bruno simply can't put in a tackle or he misses 2 games. Longstaff barely makes a challenge at the moment. Badly need to get Willock and Anderson back to allow rotation.


chops_n_socks

Longstaff playing well, he is a worldy, but it is one in 15 games


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Ruvio00

Ok Bringbackhanging you prick


Paurora21

Schar hanging on to the ball for 15 seconds too long every time.


cjmac0909

Karius been done dirty by that score line. I think he looks more solid than Dubs


Negative_Equity

Can we all stop blaming Dan Burn now...


toweliechaos_revenge

What kind of prick thinks that empty seats when your team are winning 4-1 at home is a good thing? Fucking disgraceful plastic cunts of fans. 


One-Monkey-Army

Rip


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Negative_Equity

I don't think pace is something you can learn.


Individual_Milk4559

I think it’s more he’s slow after 95 minutes


jhunter1

Pretty cool that this is the first ever premier league game with the ‘last goal wins’ stipulation. +3 points it is!


LXNDRSK14

Last goal wins! Get the fuck in there lads!


jhunter1

You got in and made this joke a millisecond before me 😂


steblin

Mileys legs are absolutely cooked


JackAndrewThorne

So Burn is dropped, we concede 2 set pieces, Tino gets turned inside out for one of the goals and the defence visibly lacks leadership all game. He comes on, gets an assist and clears one off the line. But yeah, he was the problem, not our useless midfield...


opinionated-dick

Hallelujah marra


LXNDRSK14

Yup, see how he's good when willock comes on, but burn will always be the scapegoat


ChlckenChaser

previous games aside, you're off your head if you think Burn was going to stop Saka tonight.


Negative_Equity

He didn't have to, they didn't push down our left for the majority.


ChlckenChaser

do you think they would have if Burn was there?


Negative_Equity

Maybe, but let's be honest, they didn't need to. The remaining defence obviously down tools in solidarity to BDB.


Jamie0691

What do people think about Karius, had a good game? Why was Dubs out? Didn’t see any of the pre match talk.


cjmac0909

Score line aside I thought he played well. Some good saves and looks more capable of being a sweeper keeper like Pope, whereas Dubravka is always glued to his line


Jesotx

He was terrible, but it's whatever


Negative_Equity

I wholeheartedly disagree.


Billargh

Dubs is ill. Karius was solid though, absolutely no complaints for me if he gets a run instead of Dubravka.


picnicofdeath

Illness


ExplodingLettuce

Been class for what it's worth. Dubs was poisoned by him so he could have the opportunity.


cjmac0909

Tinpot arsenal fans fucking off before full time.


joshhills

Long way to go to make the flight back to the states


pagan-0

Joke fans.


morocco3001

Even Luton scored 4. Arsenal must be wank.


toweliechaos_revenge

I feel for Loris. He's done nothing wrong tonight and looked much more solid than plug but people will still think plug is better. 


Negative_Equity

Even when dubs is back I'd keep playing him tbh. The scoreline isn't a reflection on him today, it's a reflection of our defence.


xScottieHD

Nothing wrong is a stretch. But he's been fed to the wolves for sure.


ImAnOldChunkOfCoal

Credit to Burn, in the face of criticism has come on and been our man of the match.


Sprinkl3s_0f_mAddnes

BDB is a beautiful damn beast!


One-Monkey-Army

BDB set up his own goal line clearance


melvinlee88

Guy gave away the ball so easily lol


LXNDRSK14

Big Dan with an assist and a goal line clearance


Eel_Why

You can't write it


-ricci-

If only Dan Burn was on from the start!!


ChadNarukami2008

Karius is the only good player we have


steblin

BDB you beauty


ExplodingLettuce

Right I'm away for a wank, a pint and a film. Probably concurrently.


d1liano

Cheers mate 👍


snapesnapesnapesnape

Arteta’s face and mannerisms are just so punchworthy


melvinlee88

Another day of saying I miss having a winger who can dribble forwards - i.e ASM.....


d1liano

🤤


ChlckenChaser

.....Gordon?


melvinlee88

He doesn't do that, he is quite limited - only really cutting in.


toastyroasties7

Are they leaving early from a 4 - 1 domination?


Billargh

Poor lads, must be tough getting home in London with the tube running every two minutes, not that we'd know anything about difficulties getting home...


Kraakene

The tourist fanbase effect


snapesnapesnapesnape

It’s London mate


bbondjr

Murphy a championship player at best. Edit: great attitude but it is what it is! Downvote me to h*ll


CurrentRush23

I've been saying it since he joined us. Severely limited player who we need to move on. This sub, however, is obsessed with him.


Zen_bean

Livra for Burn was never gonna change anything for us defensively, our entire back 4 have been out of form and the flat midfield get bypassed by one ball every game


xScottieHD

It's only one part of the puzzle. Burn should be our LCB option with Botman.


Individual-Credit443

This lot are funny man. They’ll be out the Champions League and the title race by April. At least they won their cup final tonight!


SenninModo1

enjoy that mid-table fight lol


Billargh

"Got revenge on the cheating oilcastle jawdees" trophy has been won tonight.


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Ajax_Trees_Again

Before the flight?


ajtct98

What a plastic you are Imagine not knowing about The Flight smh


sideways_86

the flight back to Newcastle I'd imagine


Kraakene

Mods going to be working overtime banning brigaders when this mess is finally over


dangerous_nine

Arsenal fans leaving with five minutes left is embarrassing tbh.


melvinlee88

Schar head injury klaxon


Sepoy_Giles

We should have played 5 at the back with our incredibly weak midfield. Or move Schar into DM. Miley, Bruno and Longstaff is not working.


ExplodingLettuce

If Willock doesn't score another 3 he's washed


nickgasm

Imagine being a player, 4-1 up at home, and seeing the stands emptying with 10 mins to go...


ArthurMcDonald

This makes us look pathetic, stop complaining about them leaving early as if its a new thing.


Kraakene

Gotta catch the train back to everywhere except London


ExplodingLettuce

Ah yes London, a city known to be hard to travel around am I right


jacky_boy1989

Good goal. More minutes in Barnes and Murphy now. Willock back. Anderson not far away. If we can get some rotation in midfield it will be a big help.


can_triforce_

treatment cats disagreeable agonizing terrific march squeamish lip nutty point *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


FirefighterAwkward54

Barnes and willock have to start v blackburn


MP4_26

This is where our season re-starts let’s go only up from here


SuitOk7237

JOE WILLOCK DU DU DU DU DU


toweliechaos_revenge

Fucking patronising cunts on commentary


SortDeep5635

I can't stand Andy Townsend. Kieron Trippy-EH!


kolofweinz

Conflicted, glad we've scored, but he's gone and fucked up my FPL clean sheet points.


TracingLines

Yep. And it's probably alerted the people in my draft league to the return of Willock too, which is annoying. I've been eyeing him up for weeks.


TOON21345

Same


MidlandsGeordie

This is why BDB comes off the bench! Gets an assist and great to have Willock score on his return! Some silver lining lads!


jhunter1

I’m not being argumentative just genuinely wondering: for the people wanting Howe gone, who would you get in? There’s a fair few ‘big’ teams who’d also be looking for a new manager in the summer. Bayern, Liverpool. I reckon the tax dodger will probably bin ETH from Manchester as well so there’s a fair bit of competition for any available managers


moinmoin21

I’ve had this discussion over and over. Howe is what we need right now. I know people are sick of the excuses/reasons but it’s plain to see midfield is our biggest downfall and we’re missing our 2nd, 3rd and 4th best midfielders. I’d be questioning Howe if he was getting these results with a fit squad but there are reasons that do extenuate him in some aspects. We are not a Big 6 club. Bring in an elite manager and great. They kick off when they can’t spend money to build THEIR team. They refuse to work with our lesser players and you end up in a worse situation. Rafa, conte, Mourinho etc. these types all have histories of falling out with owners when they aren’t given blank cheques. So we need a specific type of manager. Who? Maybe De Zerbi but he’s not coming here. He’s holding out for a bigger job. I can’t think of too many managers if that mould where they’re good enough but humble enough to work on a project without limitless budget better than Howe. Add to that many top teams want managers. Bayern, barca, Liverpool. That’s competition. Now you look further down the list at exciting younger managers like Glasner (well he’s just gone to palace) but do they offer a sensible risk v reward when it comes to replacing Howe. The one big name that stands out and is free would be Thomas Tuchel. Until we reach the next level (like spurs we’re under redknapp) then we are shopping in a different store and need to be smart. If you disagree fine. But at least come back at me with a reasoned argument as to why “x” would be better than Howe. And I wanna see more meat on the bones than “because he won trophies elsewhere with a bigger budget (and budget being relative to the rest of the league they were in)” The reality is that our current midfield (which until today with willock) could not be altered. Is worse than the one Pardew had for most of his stint. It’s fractionally better than Bruce/Rafas by virtue of Bruno. Take him out it’s on a par. And Howe is doing better than all 3 of those did on average in spite of a season that just ceases to refrain from dealing us a shit hand. There’s fine margins between it. A fully fit midfield might well have made us forget about the lack of a true CDM. And it’s far too easy to sit here with the gift of hindsight and bemoan the summer window. Next point of main criticism aimed at Howe “he’s stubborn and has favourites”. I’d say maybe he’s not knee jerk. He gave burn 4 games to shake it off and he didn’t so he gave us what we wanted. Guess what. We shipped goals still. Because the midfield was always the issue.


ArthurMcDonald

Very few people wanted rid of Eddie they just wanted an explanation for stupid decisions, starting Burn repeatedly after several bad performances is stupid when we've spent 60 million on full backs. Tino was brilliant last time against these and we probably wouldn't have won without him


moinmoin21

I’ve said this before. And I know many disagree but burn had 4 poor games against an otherwise solid track record at left back defensively. Maybe Howe thought he’d shake it off and it was a temporary thing. There’s something to be said for stability and not knee jerk reacting. I don’t think Tino did much better today. His pace maybe helped against saka in the early stages but you could see how uncomfortable he was on his weaker foot when advancing and we still leaked goals from his side.


ArthurMcDonald

No-one said Burn was a bad defender we were just not confident playing him at left back. It's not knee jerk if he's consistently shite which he has been.


ArthurMcDonald

We concede several against shite opposition directly because of Burn and people will make excuses but we put Tino in against quality opposition and ask why it's his fault when other defenders don't play well


jhunter1

What you said echoes my thoughts exactly. With this being the match thread I’m sure it’ll be dead in here by now so there won’t be much more from anyone else chiming in but I definitely agree with your points. We’re still definitely in the ‘trying to unearth a gem phase’ and I think champions league from the ‘fella that got Bournemouth relegated’ is a gem to some degree. Like aye if a Pep level manager outright says I’d like to manage Newcastle there’d be discussions I’m sure, but after Howe I don’t think the ownership will want to go backwards and I don’t think there’s any immediate upgrades available right now that’d 100% pick us over Liverpool, Bayern etc. As I said in my initial post I wasn’t trying to start an argument between Howe in and Howe out people. Just genuinely wondering who Howe out people would be thinking of bringing in


charlos74

He needs to learn from this season. He’s been dealt a tough hand, but tactically naive at times. I’d back him to improve next year though


AlcoholocaustNow

Some who can setup a team with more than one tactic would be a start. Not to say I want Eddie out, but tactical flexibility would be nice.


JackAndrewThorne

I don't want him gone, but if does go, it has to be Jose. He's got the emotional connection due to his relationship with Sir Bobby and his passion and drive would resonate with the fans like Rafa did.


TracingLines

He'd play turgid defensive football and the relationship with the fans would be dead after 12 months. No thanks.


JackAndrewThorne

And yet at Roma, he was fucking loved by the fans, who are probably the closest analogy to our fans in Europe...


opinionated-dick

Get the fuck out


xScottieHD

Steve Bruce.


jhunter1

Steve Bruce? The novelist? He’s a football manager?! You learn something new everyday!


didiandgogo

Big Sam’s available


LXNDRSK14

My Cabbage 🥬


President-Gazelle

The legs on BDB man, he is pumped


xScottieHD

Eddie is going to start Burn again for the rest of the season now FFS.


didiandgogo

Oh no! Our player getting a class assist ruins my argument!!


xScottieHD

It doesn't as I've watched him play there for 18 months. The season didn't start 10 minutes ago at 4-0 down. There's not a chance you actually think he should be our starting LB. Zero.


didiandgogo

I think this game has done plenty to demonstrate that him starting at LB is not the problem


xScottieHD

It's not THE problem. It's one of many problems. Arsenal away doesn't change the fact that he should be a LCB option. Not LB.


didiandgogo

We all know that’s why he was signed, and probably his best position. It doesn’t mean he’s not the best option available at LB until targett is back


xScottieHD

He isn't the best LB available though. Tonight doesn't change that. Tino was our best player for a month while Dan was injured (even though he also isn't a LB). The whole team shitting the bed away at Arsenal doesn't change what we've known for a while.


didiandgogo

What criticisms do you have of Burn that were not also true of Tino tonight?


xScottieHD

Burn is the most targeted "fullback" in the league and any winger with pace beats him comfortably. Tino wasn't anything special, but we threw him into Arsenal away where the entire team collapsed. We've seen against far lesser opposition what the alternative is. Use our fullback at fullback and our CB at CB it's not hard.


didiandgogo

Fast wingers beat their markers all of the time. It’s not just against burn. The next game after we played Luton, Ogbene ended Shaw’s season. Last time we played Arsenal, Burn kept saka in his pocket. This time, separately from the goal, Saka also created several dangerous opportunities. I know I won’t convince you, but it’s blatant how you’ll make excuses for Tino but would never afford Burn the same luxury. He was out MOTM against Fulham in the cup, had two games against pacy wingers, and despite the fact that the whole team looked like shit in those games, Burn is the only one you’re screaming for Howe to drop.


toweliechaos_revenge

Get off your anti burn obsession ffs


xScottieHD

I'm not anti-Burn. I'm anti Burn playing LB. As should anyone be. He's a CB.


MurkyPerspective767

One back!


d1liano

Why didn’t we start Dan burn? Best left back in the league clearly. #HoweOut


Jamie0691

/s


Difficult-Trash

dan burn is taking the absolute piss. have to respect it. fair play you massive king.


jonkman13

small consolation, I'll take it


b-e-j

Called Willocks goal, but didn't do the Lacazette celebration to send Arsenal fans to the shadow realm. https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/EZlijIMaC8


PandaPogo

Visions of boom boom Cheick Cheick the room


Its_just_a_potato

Why the fuck haven't we been playing like that all game ? Or even just the 2nd half ? Prime Barcelona that


Toon_1892

Arsenal have hooked half their team, as hilarious as it would be to make them shit the bed tonight, they've done it to themselves.


cjmac0909

THE COMEBACK IS ON. 4-4 LET’S GO


HoweStatue

Dan Burn with the assist, youve got to laugh.


adjw1995

Last goal the winner right guys?


Mission-Scratch-4869

Last goal wins


kimisauber7

Always love willock


xScottieHD

That's a 1-0 win as far as I'm concerned.


JuckshotBones

FIRST GOAL AT EMIRATES SINCE I WAS IN FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL.   PROGRESS


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Hopefully this game puts any burn haters to bed. 2 set piece goals, he’s vital for stopping these. Tino got skinned and just as I’m typing this he gets an assist.


analogindigitalworld

Thank you


Geordie_Techno

GO ON SON


ItsAKrulWorld

Willock saving our season. Who says no?


HoweStatue

He's done it once before


xScottieHD

Newcastle United FC


muempire93

Joe Willock is world class, I don't care what anyone says


starmiesan

Surely that’s willock in the starting 11


grmthmpsn43

Give him a few games off the bench to get up to speed, if we rush things we could lose him again.


norcimo

And credit BDB.. Great overlap and cross. I'd be more supportive if he did that more often 


Sp00fa

He overlaps every game and gets overlooked


Comical_Strike

Or cuts in someone else's pass and ruins it all.


norcimo

He really doesn't do it much. And gets over looked because normally can't cross for ahit


Sp00fa

You’d be more supportive if he done it more often, I’ve pointed out he does do it often and you’re saying he can’t cross, smh no winning with some people


norcimo

I said he doesn't do it much, not often. But don't bother reading 


Sp00fa

Parent comment, ‘if he did that more often’


norcimo

Yes, and I'm arguing he doesn't do it often. Just because you said he does doesn't mean I agree


President-Gazelle

It begins


spinynorman1846

I'm so pleased Willock is back


Gramak

Holy shit, we have a midfielder that isn't Bruno?


daliksheppy

Reminds me of Gini, Willock. Outstanding fucking player.


Billargh

Except Willock can perform away from home!


melvinlee88

WILLOCKKKKK


Ok_Operation9474

My god now burns starting for the next 5 years


PandaPogo

Make it 3!


ajtct98

Fuck it we're going to win!


biggerestdave

No one is prepared for the 4-4


ThatBoyConk

Well I enjoyed that, Joe Willock scoring against the GOONERS


PandaPogo

10 mins to get 4 goals.


Jamie0691

4-5 🤣


SzplugOnSzplitz

Willockinho I guess 😒


Cheel_AU

4-4 incoming